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So, this is Monday, June 16th, Men's Heart Check-In.

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We are in the process of discussing a relationship, new relationship with David here from Las

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Vegas and other areas that he's from.

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So anyway, as I was saying, the exclusivity part of it, on your side in terms of the getting

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to know, being very intentional with one person, that's one thing.

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But it does speak volumes to the feminine part, which means if you get really heavy,

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if you just say, okay, I'm exclusively dating you right now, no big deal.

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But if you keep on emphasizing the whole exclusivity part of it, then it can sound really heavy

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to her.

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So at this point, how does she feel with regard, obviously she wanted to say, hey, call me

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your girlfriend and so forth, but how do you think she feels about, you get the sense that

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she is a little, she has a little anxiousness too or no?

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Oh yeah, no, we've already kind of covered that ground that she also has an anxious attachment

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style.

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She doesn't do the heart work program, but she does her own form of introspection as

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a Christian counselor.

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So at least I know that she's in community with someone that works to keep her Christ

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centered.

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Yeah.

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So you guys are going to work together then being self-aware in terms of this sort of

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like anxiousness that you might both be exhibiting or have exhibited in the past, you're just

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going to be aware of that and move forward because there really isn't anything to say

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no, or there isn't a huge road blocks or obstacles at this point, but you're just enjoying

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the journey for the moment, which is absolutely, which is great.

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And I'll probably set the land speed, well, not land speed record.

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Well, maybe, you know, Toyota Prius isn't all our aerodynamic, but, uh, the furthest

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driven for a in-person date with someone.

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Maybe, maybe so.

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You may have to, uh, you may have to compare notes.

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Yeah.

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Well, David Vegas, David, you didn't tell David Dorman, like the bit you buried the

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lead here.

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Um, cause he wasn't in the call last week when you were sharing her Lauren's stance

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on the wedding cake.

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True.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh no.

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Yes he was.

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Cause he was, no, that was the call that he was on for, uh, his, uh, driving his niece

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to a couple of weeks ago.

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We're talking about like the whole shoving the cake in the face.

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Yeah.

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Having a cake fight.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Good.

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I just want to make sure that one doesn't.

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And she's doubled down now.

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She's like, Oh, plus we should get like little cupcakes, you know, for extra ammunition.

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I'm like, Oh no, it's almost sounds like David's kind of girl here.

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Absolutely.

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You know, there's, there's still little moments of, uh, not derision or division, but like

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just, uh, not connecting or aligning on some things.

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Uh, but they're not like heaven non-negotiables like her talking about a theoretical wedding.

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She's like, well, I would go with this color and this color.

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What do you think of that type of thing?

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Uh, or how many bridesmaids I should pursue having at a wedding.

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And I was like, Oh yeah, that number's fine.

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Uh, I've already got my groomsmen's, uh, suits figured out.

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You know, I just have to figure out, uh, who can custom make a Marvel like X-Men Avengers

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Marvel suits.

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And we all wear different hero suits.

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And she's just like, no, no.

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How about, how about matching cufflinks?

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I'm like, no, no, uh, well, um, yeah, that's it.

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I mean, man, you guys are like, you're not sure if you want to define it as exclusive

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yet.

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You're talking about details of a wedding.

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I mean, it came up in, uh, uh, organically, like not forcing into, Hey, we're going to

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do this on this day type of thing, but more of like, uh, I'd asked her like, you know,

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if you were to get married, would you want like a winter wedding being from a cold state

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or a summer wedding?

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Some people choose a winter wedding because it's cheaper as well.

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Uh, I don't, I don't care about price.

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I don't want to get married in snow, you know, but, um, okay.

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So it just came up organically.

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So, okay.

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Well, when's the next time you're going to see her or, I mean, I'm assuming you, you

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know, I'm going on a cross country road trip leaving Wednesday.

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Uh, I, uh, like I said, I'll see my, uh, buddy get married in Ohio, calm down, David.

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Calm down.

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And Pennsylvania.

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It's close to Ohio.

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So you could just-

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Yeah, well, it's only six and a half hours from there.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, jump in the-

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What side of Pennsylvania are you from again?

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Harrisburg.

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So-

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Oh, that's Western.

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So yeah.

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So not too bad.

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Yeah, so go there, see her Saturday evening,

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possibly catch a movie or just go for a walk.

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Nice.

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Attend church with her church family Sunday morning.

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And then we were just gonna spend the day

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with her and her friends,

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people that she probably wants to have me around

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for like some sort of vetting,

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or just introduce me as like her significant person,

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boyfriend, all.

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Well, this has a lot of promise, David.

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This is awesome.

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We, you know, celebrate that, really cool.

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Anybody have any other questions for David at this moment?

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Advice, comments, concerns?

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I was just gonna pipe up.

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You mentioned you might go to a movie.

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I would say like, don't do that, bro.

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Cause you're driving super far to see her

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and then you guys-

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Oh no, I'm gonna pass out probably in the movie.

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Oh, okay.

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More unlikely.

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But she was like,

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oh, I really, really want to see this movie.

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I'm like, can't we just see it during the day?

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Which movie is it?

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Mission Impossible 3.

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Oh, okay.

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Or whatever number we're on for Mission Impossible.

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That's a long movie, bro.

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A long movie.

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It's very intense.

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Yeah.

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It's got nothing on like the average-

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It's highly believable and highly plausible.

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No, it's not.

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What?

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That is the last Impossible mission?

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That turns out to be not so impossible?

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Just the whole plot itself.

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Oh, gotcha.

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Okay.

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Oh, thank you for ruining that for me,

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but I'll probably go to sleep anyway.

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Anybody else?

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Anybody else got questions, comments, concerns?

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Nope.

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Bueller?

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I do have a question.

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Just a conversation.

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Just excited for you, man.

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Okay.

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Thank you, man.

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I do have a question though.

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She brought up something today about like finances,

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like asking me like where my beliefs were

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in terms of finances.

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Like it's something that she's super into,

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like the whole Dave Ramsey,

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being and living debt-free stuff.

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And like, I don't think I upset her,

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but I think like she kind of got shocked

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when I was like, well, yeah, I use a credit card

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and then I pay it off in full every month

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so that I don't have accruing debt.

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But the purpose of that was to save up for a home

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based on a good credit score, which I just got.

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And that's where I'm moving to.

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And I had to get a new car

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because my car was not gonna survive

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being in the Midwest for winter.

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But it seems like she's just very like

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focused on being like debt-free.

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And like, that's the way to live.

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That's like the only way to live

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is like without credit cards.

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And I'm not against it.

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I'm just like, well, it's probably not gonna happen

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for a few months, if not a year,

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before I could get to a point like that.

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Because I literally just bought a new car

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and bought a new home.

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Yeah, no, it's really great.

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I mean, a lot of people,

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is she just new to that sort of like teaching?

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I guess she's like been like listening

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to like Dave Ramsey podcasts and such for like the last year.

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I know, but she's new to like how long?

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What's that?

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How long?

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I don't think I got a number as to how long

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she's been looking into that.

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I'm asking because that kind of teaching for some,

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depending on what your relationship with money is,

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that kind of teaching can be very, very helpful

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for people who really need to like really focus

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on trying to either get out of debt,

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trying to get disciplined with their spending

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or even get on a budget.

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I mean, it can be very good basic teaching.

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I don't know about long-term

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how well that serves the individual.

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I guess it really just depends

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on what your goals financially are.

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But definitely, definitely at some point,

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if you're going to have to have any ability

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to wield finances, the individual, whoever that is,

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man, woman, couple, whoever it is,

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it's definitely going to have to get a certain level

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of discipline and focus with finances.

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So it's definitely a good way to start.

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I'm not against Ramsey's teachings.

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I just don't know that it's that practical long-term

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for you to be able to accomplish some of the things

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that could be accomplished with responsibility.

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So again, all depends on what is your relationship with money at the moment.

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Yeah, I'd say I'm stable and pretty disciplined, like to the point of I just, I'm not talking about

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anybody, not yours, but oh, okay. Gotcha. Just like, you know, anybody's relationship with money,

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but, but those types of conversations, should that be something reserved for

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Symbus when we get to that point? Yeah, closer to that, like end of the third level,

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exclusionary, even. Into engagement type of, gotcha. Yeah, conversations, yeah. Because

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it didn't really make me uncomfortable, but all of a sudden I started feeling like this thing from

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Holy Spirit and just talking to me about like boundaries and I'm like, what boundaries? I don't

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have any boundaries like with this, like, and it was just like, well, maybe you should. I'm like,

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okay, I'll throw this in the heart work group tonight and just check. And so thank you for that.

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Yeah, it's good. Anything else, guys? Tag Daniel, you're it.

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I think, this is Thomas, unless you want to say something, Daniel, do you want to go,

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did you want, did you have a comment or a question, Daniel?

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I had a hot take on Dave Ramsey, actually. And I'll just, I'll just word it super strongly. I

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think he's an antiquated dinosaur and completely gives bad advice. And I'll say this because my-

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Oh, Dave Ramsey, okay. I thought you were talking about my inflatable T-Rex costume collection.

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No, Dave Ramsey. No, so listen, I had, I mean, my ex and I, we did the whole like financial

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peace university. She even tried to do like the cash envelope system for a little while,

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which is just absurd. And like, it's just unworkable. But what happened was around,

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I think we had been debt free because debt is dumb. We'd been debt free for like eight or nine

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years at this point. And we went to go just see if we could qualify for a home loan. And we had

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literally no credit score. It wasn't a bad score. It was no credit anything. It was like not in the

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system. So we got a credit card and we did the monthly installments. We actually took her car

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and got a van and we paid off most of it, but we had like $2,000 left and we just made

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installment plans. And within a couple of years, we had a credit score. I think both of us were

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over 700, but unless you're able to do what Dave Ramsey did and save up and pay cash for a house,

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which I don't know anybody that can do that today. Unless you can save up and pay cash for a house,

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I don't see how the Financial Peace University is workable at all. So I think what David Dorman

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said, as far as getting out of debt and getting your finances under control, it's a really good

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if you're behind. But if you're trying to get ahead, I just don't think it's workable at all.

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Yeah. If you're 12 and 16 and you have your first job and you're just laying down some

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financial principles. Yeah. I see what you're saying. I've heard a lot of people have a lot

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of different experiences, some of which are a lot like yours, where they come to a point where like,

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this does not work. It doesn't work in terms of scaling, in terms of getting ahead, advancing

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and so forth. That's what I was referring to is that for the moment, I'm not trying to endorse or

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not endorse anything. I'm just trying to say that I understand the financial principles of what

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Ramsey teaches basically. And it can be good for depending again, depending on what your

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relationship with money is. A lot of ways salvation is this way for some people. I'm

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not saying this is ideal. I'm just saying this is what happens. A lot of people come from crazy

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Torah backgrounds, family life, whatever, and just have like this, you know, a lot going on in their

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past and they come into a knowledge of Christ and they get saved. And then they get super, super,

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super strict and super religious. And for them, it works for a minute because there's a certain

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sense of fear. It's like, I needed that restriction. I needed that extremity in order to like, keep

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myself safe for a moment. Again, not saying that this is ideal. I'm just saying that I've seen this

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happen to people. So I don't know if you know anybody like that, that somebody's used to like,

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you know, really wild and crazy life and then comes into salvation, comes into some sort of

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religion really, and then gets saved. And then now it's all of a sudden, very demonstratively

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regimented, rigid, hard,

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that kind of thing. It's sort of a pendulum swing that happens and sometimes that can happen with

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people and I think that's what a lot of people are attracted to like Ramsey in terms of like

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some of the financial stuff but it is true in order to really super like actually come into a

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level of responsibility and want to try to get ahead financially there's a lot of different

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things especially with the way economics are today in our world. I mean the income levels

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and the expenditure levels are not equitable as they were once 20, 30, 40 years ago

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and it is difficult so you have to get really creative. There's a lot of creative

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interesting teaching and tools out there to really to really utilize to get ahead but

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all of it requires a certain level of discipline and acumen that at some point is necessary.

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So that's my comments on that but thank you Dana. I mean I know a lot of people who've had that same

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kind of experience like they did it all they're like oh it didn't work.

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I don't know maybe it did work for a second but then yeah or it backfires because you backfire

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you can't you can't get a home loan what do you what do you know yeah or no no but I mean

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obviously you outgrew that pair of shoes. Yeah yeah okay yeah that's I think that's a great way

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to say it too yeah if you because like if you're living paycheck to paycheck and

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racking up credit card debt then you definitely need something uh dire. My artist friend gave me

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that analogy a long time ago and I was just like that was very profound. I was going through a

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season where I was disenchanted with my spiritual association the church I was at the ministry I was

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at and it wasn't failing me as much as I was realizing that just things were changing my

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paradigm was changing and he just said it like he goes yeah you know sometimes you just need a new

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pair of shoes not like I want to get more shoes because I'm a shoe freak but sometimes you

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actually just wear out a pair of shoes and you're like you know what I got holes in these shoes

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they don't really work for me anymore I've outgrown them I just need a new pair of shoes and yeah.

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Mike Anthony came on screen kind of sounds like he wants to say something. So I concur and I know

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when Mike Anthony comes on screen he's gonna see something to say. Yeah he does. So my ex and I

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actually I have to say the Ramsey thing was the only thing that got us on the same page.

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Wow see so like I do I do like I don't disagree with what you guys have said you know like we're

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um it was limited and um but it did help us get on the same page and I think anything that helps

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you have commonality or um common vernacular you know where you can actually when you're talking

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about the same thing where this means this and this means that the I agree the envelope system

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is horrific like we that was terrible right like couldn't do that like we tried like it was like

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but it was helpful to get on the same page. Yeah interesting. And so but I do see it being um

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I'll grow easily out growable you know and you know a lot of times in relationships we outgrow

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them. Yeah. So that was just my you know so it can be a great starting point to get to get unity

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and then you guys can grow from there. I think I think it's said a bit so. Yeah I have it I have

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an interesting excuse me guys something caught in my throat I have an interesting thought of on a

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broader way of paradigm shifts and

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finances um

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your religious affiliation your um you know your lifestyle

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your clothing attire these are all just broad topics of life excuse me um that you that you

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shift in I mean you may not think your attire isn't that a big deal but what I'm saying is is that

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typically people go through paradigm shifts at least once or twice in their life I think

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minimally I'm gonna have to do some more research on this but it is a question that I'm posing

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and I'm thinking about a lot because I think it

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explains a lot of things.

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You have growth.

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The Bible says we go from glory to glory.

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And people that are interested in growth,

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I think those kind of individuals

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in the course of their life have maybe four, five, six, seven,

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maybe even more major paradigm shifts in their life

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because they're wanting to move forward.

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They're wanting to grow.

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They're wanting to change.

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They're wanting to achieve.

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They're wanting to grow in a number of different ways.

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But I think at least people have paradigm shifts

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if they do very little to nothing, at least once,

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maybe twice, early age, middle age, and older age.

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And when I say paradigm shift, I'm

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talking about the patterns and behavior in the way

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you see the world.

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I was talking with someone the other day.

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It was funny because he had just turned 50.

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And I turned 50 a number of years ago.

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And he was talking about how there were things

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politically and issues and things

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that were going on governmentally, economically,

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that kind of thing.

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He never cared about those things prior to 50.

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I don't know, is it just me turning 50?

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All of a sudden, I have these passionate,

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these things come up in me.

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or I see these ideals being put forth and whatever.

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So curious to know, guys, what you think of when

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you look at growth or change in your life

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and paradigm shifts rather than looking at things as,

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that's bad, this is good.

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Like, I did all the things that didn't work out for me.

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That's bad, bad, bad.

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And I'm looking for good, good, good.

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And either throwing the baby out with the bath water

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or realizing that you just had a paradigm shift.

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And I was trying to tell a younger guy that I was

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ministering to the other day.

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He's in his 30s, and he has young children.

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religious environment that gave him all of his input

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on truth the first 30 years of his life.

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I mean, he's a millionaire, if not a multimillionaire.

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is because to him, it's very apparent to him

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that as a minority, he has been successful

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because he's definitely very part of that community.

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And it stands out to him that he has

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a heart for other people who are like him in their minorities

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status to succeed as well.

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So he has vision.

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He has accomplishment.

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He has a small family.

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He's considering his upbringing.

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He's doing quite well.

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But he's struggling to move on from this association,

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this religious association, because he sees truth on,

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quote, what he was saying, both sides.

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And I was just like, how about we just redefine this?

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Sort of like relabel this a little bit.

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Instead of going, my old church is bad,

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and it doesn't have truth, to I think there's truth over here,

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or I think there's more truth, or whatever,

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why don't we just say, you're having a paradigm shift?

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Like you're seeing something more than what you saw before.

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And this happens, again, like I said,

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it happens relationally.

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It happens spiritually.

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It happens economically.

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It happens professionally.

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It happens in a lot of these categories

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that we deal with, guys.

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Maybe it's just the guys might understand it this way.

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It may even happen just in your choice of vehicle.

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Like I thought Chevys were great one time,

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but now I just love Fords.

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And that may be like an anathema to some people,

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like, oh my god, that's terrible.

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There's no way.

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There's Ford all the way.

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You know, like whatever.

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And I'm just saying that when people make,

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I mean, it's funny because even a brand allegiance

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can be more stern and rigid than even some of your beliefs.

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But you have paradigm shifts, guys.

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You come into knowledge and come into an understanding, you come into new

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information that doesn't, it's not trying to supplant or trying to deceive you.

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It just, it just expands your understanding of what is truth.

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And so in a positive way, in a growth way, it's good.

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Paradigm shifts are healthy.

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They can be really sometimes difficult to navigate and negotiate.

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When I was ending my vocational ministry experience, I was feeling the Lord

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trying to shift me and move me on, but I didn't have any context for that.

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And I felt like, and I had this conversation with God one day, I was

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just like, okay, I'm not going to be here in this church that I've been for,

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for 20 plus years in this ministry and all my identities here and so forth

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and all the different things, but like, and go where and do what?

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Like, seriously, like, what are you talking about?

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Like, okay, I'm not here, but like, where do you want me to go?

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What do you want me to do?

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So how many of you have had shifts like that, or maybe even going through

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a shift like that in your life?

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And you're wondering where are your bearings?

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Where's your truth?

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It's not that your truth is being challenged.

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It's just that you're going through a paradigm shift.

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You're coming into a new level and it can be challenging to shift there

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because sometimes those paradigm shifts require you to level up, require you

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to get disciplined, require you to make hard decisions, require you to

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maybe cut some things out, maybe even cut some people out, certain processes,

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certain methodologies, certain behaviors, and come into a greater understanding.

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And what I think is great, what I've learned about this is that paradigm

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shifts can be, can be challenging.

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But now that I've done a few of them, I feel like they're more hopeful.

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So I'm kind of excited about my next paradigm shift because I want to see it

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more hopeful and I want to see it more invitational rather than like difficult.

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I don't want to resist it as much.

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How's that?

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I don't want to get into my pattern of what I think is right and what I think

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is this and what I think is that I want to embrace it to, to see if, oh, I'm

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coming into a new level of truth.

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I'm kind of coming to a, and, and here's the thing.

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If you're afraid of being deceived, if you're afraid of coming into something

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that is going to be damaging and destructive, then I want to encourage

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you that you can trust the spirit of God on the inside of you, leading you into

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all truth, rather than being afraid of it, to embrace it and to welcome it so

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that you can come into a better version of you, a greater understanding of who

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God is in you and with you rather than in opposition to you, and so that you

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don't have to feel, uh, uh, you know, you can do away with the shame and the

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guilt easier because you're understanding that it's a paradigm shift towards

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better, not that you're so unworthy.

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Does that make sense to anybody?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And David Henshaw put it in there.

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Like at times it can be really heavy and though growth is painful, but worth it.

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See, that's what kind of like, that's what Jackie means when she

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says we don't need what we don't need easy.

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We just need worth it.

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Right.

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Relationships are hard.

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Yeah.

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But we don't need easy.

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We need worth it.

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So it's a powerful lesson, but if we can get good at it, if you can get good at

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embracing hard things, things that are worth it, then you can make some of

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these transitions easier in the long run and still gain the benefit of the

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things that are worthy of you.

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One of the greatest paradigm shifts that all of us need to do.

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and especially men in this day and age,

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is to get beyond, I'm not worth it, I'm not worthy.

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And I'm gonna talk a little bit more about this

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on Supernatural Saturday.

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I think I'm doing Supernatural Saturday this Saturday.

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We'll talk a little bit more

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about this whole worth worthy thing.

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But how many of you, regardless of whether you're going

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through your paradigm shift or whether you think

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that one's on the horizon for you,

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or you did the last one well, or whatever,

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how many of you feel like you struggle

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with the feeling worthy thing?

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Like, yeah, it's great, and there's a lot out there,

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I could do this and whatever,

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but sometimes I just really feel like just,

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I don't deserve it, I'm not worth it,

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I've messed up too much, whatever.

478
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You know, it's a little, you know, some things,

479
00:30:59.020 --> 00:31:01.660
like I could have had that, but all that's foregone,

480
00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:05.180
so I have to settle for whatever.

481
00:31:05.180 --> 00:31:06.740
I'm raising my hand too.

482
00:31:06.740 --> 00:31:10.160
I definitely feel like an imposter at times.

483
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.240
Same type of thing, yeah.

484
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.780
David Henshaw's there, anybody else?

485
00:31:14.780 --> 00:31:16.340
Wanna raise your hand for that?

486
00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:20.620
I'll say yes.

487
00:31:20.620 --> 00:31:23.020
Okay, yeah, thank you, thanks Thomas.

488
00:31:24.020 --> 00:31:25.580
You're always a good volunteer, Thomas,

489
00:31:25.580 --> 00:31:27.580
I really appreciate you, man, I love it.

490
00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:36.660
Yeah, so, and there are some of us who,

491
00:31:40.860 --> 00:31:44.540
you know, we've gotten to a point where we're like,

492
00:31:44.540 --> 00:31:49.540
I'm good, my life is good, my life is all right,

493
00:31:49.620 --> 00:31:52.660
all right, and I'm really good,

494
00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:58.940
and there's not too many things that I want more in life,

495
00:31:59.060 --> 00:32:00.100
and that can be okay.

496
00:32:01.100 --> 00:32:02.620
Maybe you're in a season of giving back,

497
00:32:02.620 --> 00:32:07.620
maybe you're in a season of establishment,

498
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:11.780
and you can do a little bit of looking back

499
00:32:11.780 --> 00:32:15.180
and help other people come into a new level

500
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:18.760
of paradigm for them, that's awesome.

501
00:32:20.340 --> 00:32:23.020
Sometimes there's things that we,

502
00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:31.020
maybe we don't anticipate,

503
00:32:31.020 --> 00:32:33.740
and so there might be another paradigm

504
00:32:35.300 --> 00:32:37.860
in a certain area that needs to be shifted there too.

505
00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:41.540
Any comments, concerns about

506
00:32:41.540 --> 00:32:43.220
kind of what I'm approaching to you,

507
00:32:43.220 --> 00:32:46.340
because I'm actually really doing sort of a deep dive

508
00:32:46.340 --> 00:32:47.180
on this paradigm thing,

509
00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:52.220
because I think it's helpful to be able to understand

510
00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:57.180
that we kind of like what the scripture says,

511
00:32:57.180 --> 00:32:59.220
we go from glory to glory.

512
00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:00.620
I always heard that,

513
00:33:00.620 --> 00:33:02.580
and when I heard that scripture being preached,

514
00:33:02.580 --> 00:33:03.700
I have to do some more deep dive

515
00:33:03.700 --> 00:33:05.900
on that particular scripture,

516
00:33:05.900 --> 00:33:09.620
but I always felt like that was preached

517
00:33:09.620 --> 00:33:14.620
or talked about as like less achievable.

518
00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:18.140
Like, I didn't feel like I was at glory in the first place,

519
00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:20.500
so how could I go from glory to glory?

520
00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:22.460
It's like, I have to get to glory first.

521
00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:23.300
Does that make any sense?

522
00:33:23.300 --> 00:33:25.380
I just always like, yeah, it just kind of felt like,

523
00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:26.900
it kind of felt too high.

524
00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:30.500
But I think what the scripture is talking about

525
00:33:30.500 --> 00:33:35.500
is that it's not about trying to have this sucks,

526
00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:39.420
this sucks, this sucks, this sucks,

527
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:42.020
and finally achieve some level of success

528
00:33:42.020 --> 00:33:44.780
to where it's like, okay, my life doesn't suck anymore.

529
00:33:47.780 --> 00:33:50.820
It's about, I know this now,

530
00:33:50.820 --> 00:33:53.260
and I'm doing my best to operate at this level,

531
00:33:53.260 --> 00:33:54.380
and I had a paradigm shift,

532
00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:56.480
now I've shifted into another gear.

533
00:33:58.620 --> 00:34:00.380
I'm shifting up, I'm shifting up.

534
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:06.380
Rather than viewing everything as that's bad, this is good.

535
00:34:06.740 --> 00:34:09.300
That's bad, this is good.

536
00:34:11.620 --> 00:34:14.600
Because when you put it in that's bad,

537
00:34:14.600 --> 00:34:16.500
this is good category,

538
00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:19.920
then you can't take some of the things that you learned

539
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.199
in your first paradigm, second paradigm, third paradigm

540
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:24.500
into the next paradigm.

541
00:34:25.560 --> 00:34:27.760
It just Xs it all out.

542
00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:34.699
I was able to take the foundational spiritual truths

543
00:34:35.139 --> 00:34:39.060
that I was able to, that were instilled in me

544
00:34:39.060 --> 00:34:41.460
in my first and second paradigm and my third paradigm

545
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:43.620
into the paradigm I'm in now.

546
00:34:45.380 --> 00:34:47.500
I'm not necessarily saying I'm in my fourth paradigm,

547
00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:49.659
I don't really know, I gotta count that up.

548
00:34:51.860 --> 00:34:54.179
Sort of qualify it, put some benchmarks in there

549
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:55.820
and kind of figure that out.

550
00:34:58.180 --> 00:34:59.860
So are you encouraging us to say,

551
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.000
isn't even my final form.

552
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.760
Absolutely, 1000%.

553
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:11.040
So I've learned to look at adversity as it's good.

554
00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:17.720
And I kind of got it like if you heard of Jocko, everything.

555
00:35:17.720 --> 00:35:20.040
And one of the guys that worked under him,

556
00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:22.520
he said every time he told him something, oh, this happened,

557
00:35:22.520 --> 00:35:25.360
this happened, his reply was, well, that's good.

558
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.240
Yeah.

559
00:35:26.240 --> 00:35:29.320
Versus this sucks, because this sucks.

560
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:33.760
I mean, if this sucks, no matter if it's like a big cake

561
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.800
fight or something, if you say this sucks,

562
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.560
well, then it's not even fun.

563
00:35:37.560 --> 00:35:42.120
So every adversity, especially as you get older

564
00:35:42.120 --> 00:35:44.440
and you start looking back at all the stuff

565
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.360
that you've gone through, like if you've

566
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.040
gone through divorce or anything else

567
00:35:48.040 --> 00:35:51.080
and there was times when you thought that this was the end

568
00:35:51.080 --> 00:35:52.680
and you'd never get out of it.

569
00:35:52.680 --> 00:35:54.520
And then years later, you look back

570
00:35:54.520 --> 00:35:56.760
and you see that you survived.

571
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.480
And that was a good thing, right?

572
00:35:58.480 --> 00:35:58.960
Yeah.

573
00:35:59.600 --> 00:36:02.560
And you wouldn't be a fraction of who you are now

574
00:36:02.560 --> 00:36:04.480
if it wasn't for that hardship.

575
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:04.960
Yeah.

576
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:09.080
And so taking on that attitude of, OK, this is a challenge.

577
00:36:09.080 --> 00:36:09.640
This is good.

578
00:36:09.640 --> 00:36:11.800
And when I get through it and I will get through it,

579
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:12.600
I will learn.

580
00:36:12.600 --> 00:36:18.680
And I'll learn through the adversity and I'll persevere.

581
00:36:18.680 --> 00:36:20.760
There was a moment during my divorce,

582
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.520
I wasn't completely divorced.

583
00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:24.000
It was very early on in the stage.

584
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.880
And I was living at my parents' house

585
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:29.320
because of the situation with my ex-wife.

586
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:36.760
And both of my parents had been divorced.

587
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.640
Most of the members of my family previously, aunts and uncles,

588
00:36:39.640 --> 00:36:42.080
grandma, grandpa, everybody had been divorced at least once

589
00:36:42.080 --> 00:36:42.960
or whatever.

590
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.640
And I just never thought that was going

591
00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:45.640
to be a part of my life.

592
00:36:45.640 --> 00:36:47.640
But here I am in the midst of that, facing that.

593
00:36:47.640 --> 00:36:51.800
My dad, in the moment, we had talked about a lot of things.

594
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.560
But he didn't really have much to say anymore

595
00:36:55.560 --> 00:36:57.920
other than he said this one phrase,

596
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:58.960
and I'll never forget it.

597
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.600
It's just like what you just said, John.

598
00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:06.680
He goes, David, he goes, I don't know what else to say

599
00:37:06.680 --> 00:37:07.320
in this moment.

600
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.960
But I just want to let you know it's not always

601
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.520
going to be this way.

602
00:37:12.520 --> 00:37:16.480
And that was somehow very encouraging to me.

603
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:17.760
And it's kind of cliche.

604
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.560
It's kind of weird.

605
00:37:18.560 --> 00:37:19.520
It's a simple phrase.

606
00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:23.760
But it just let me know that it sucks right now.

607
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.720
But your life is not always going to be this way.

608
00:37:28.720 --> 00:37:30.240
You will get through this.

609
00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:31.040
It will get better.

610
00:37:31.040 --> 00:37:32.320
There will be something.

611
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:35.240
But he couldn't tell me what that looked like,

612
00:37:35.240 --> 00:37:36.480
even though he'd been divorced.

613
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.800
Because situationally, we didn't know

614
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.000
how it was going to come out.

615
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.720
And we all go through things.

616
00:37:43.720 --> 00:37:45.160
That's the things that sucks.

617
00:37:45.160 --> 00:37:49.720
Because if you know exactly what's going to happen,

618
00:37:49.720 --> 00:37:52.720
then lots of times it doesn't suck as much.

619
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.600
Unless there's going to be more pain.

620
00:37:54.600 --> 00:37:55.600
Right.

621
00:37:55.600 --> 00:37:58.920
But at the same time, what I'm saying is it's like, OK,

622
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.480
well, at least I know.

623
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.520
But the not knowing lots of times

624
00:38:02.520 --> 00:38:06.360
is what makes things extremely difficult.

625
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.680
If you trust that you'll be a better and stronger

626
00:38:09.680 --> 00:38:12.840
person on the other side than you would be without it,

627
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.920
and have faith that you will look back at it

628
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.440
and see that it was something that was useful in your life,

629
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.760
even though when you're going through it,

630
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.240
it feels like the end of the world.

631
00:38:25.240 --> 00:38:27.240
But yeah.

632
00:38:27.240 --> 00:38:30.320
Well, I think that testifies to what James says.

633
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.720
Consider it all joys when you encounter various trials,

634
00:38:32.720 --> 00:38:33.680
right?

635
00:38:33.680 --> 00:38:37.320
It's not that the trial, like, yeah, I'm in a trial.

636
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:44.840
And I think it's worth it, right?

637
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.040
Even with the heartwork.

638
00:38:46.040 --> 00:38:49.200
Sunday, I was at New Church.

639
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:54.760
The gal that I had asked out totally was being interesting.

640
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.000
She just, she was ignoring me.

641
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.720
But it triggered a, I actually had

642
00:39:01.720 --> 00:39:05.400
a flashback of a previous relationship in that moment.

643
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.880
So that moment wasn't good.

644
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.280
I'm like, I mean, she's just being a pill.

645
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.360
But it triggered something in me where

646
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:12.560
I could do the heartwork.

647
00:39:12.560 --> 00:39:14.640
So was it easy?

648
00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:16.520
Just doing the heartwork on that easy?

649
00:39:16.520 --> 00:39:16.840
No.

650
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:17.720
But is it worth it?

651
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.600
Absolutely, because I'm free.

652
00:39:19.600 --> 00:39:22.560
And it was kind of surreal to actually literally

653
00:39:22.560 --> 00:39:26.360
have a flashback in the middle of church.

654
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:29.520
But there's hard things like that.

655
00:39:29.520 --> 00:39:32.920
But once you deal with it, you're free.

656
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:34.000
And that's worth it.

657
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.240
And your circumstances a lot of times lie to you.

658
00:39:36.240 --> 00:39:38.920
And your circumstances aren't your identity.

659
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:40.280
Your identity is in Christ.

660
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.600
And you're a son of the most high, right?

661
00:39:42.600 --> 00:39:44.760
So too often, we're like, oh, this

662
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.120
is what it's always going to be.

663
00:39:46.120 --> 00:39:48.920
It's not always going to be that way.

664
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.240
I mean, it could be raining for 40 days and 40 nights.

665
00:39:51.240 --> 00:39:54.160
But the sun's going to come out at some point, right?

666
00:39:54.160 --> 00:40:01.320
And I always used to try, like, oh, I wish I could get.

667
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.440
Get out of like the spiritual warfare. I go through so much crap, right?

668
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:09.880
And I was like, you know, Lord, it'd be really nice to just not have this he's like, it's not about getting out of it

669
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:11.880
It's about not letting it affect you

670
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:18.680
Yeah, yes, there's things that I used to that used to crush me that just bounce off me now

671
00:40:18.680 --> 00:40:23.600
And so, you know and so that and like and that's just a leveling up in things

672
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.600
you know, there's things that used to get me like especially in

673
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.440
So like when I got divorced

674
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.840
Well, even I just looked at all the things that I was drawn to that were bad

675
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.640
And I'm like, I need to fix the broken parts in me

676
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:44.680
So I'm not attracted to that now. I see that throwing out the enemy brings that at me constantly and now I'm like

677
00:40:45.160 --> 00:40:46.600
red

678
00:40:46.600 --> 00:40:49.720
You know versus before I'd have been great

679
00:40:49.720 --> 00:40:55.720
I want to eat so it was hard to go through that whole process, but now it's saving me so much pain

680
00:40:56.240 --> 00:40:59.320
right and like and we just level up to where things that

681
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:01.000
used to

682
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:07.520
Like we end up growing and not letting things bother us anymore because we've grown above it. So

683
00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:10.040
Yeah

684
00:41:10.040 --> 00:41:14.360
That's some of that. That's some of the thing when I'm talking because when I when I'm saying like, okay, so trials

685
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.440
tribulations hardships

686
00:41:17.600 --> 00:41:19.600
things that sort of like

687
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:21.800
the

688
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.480
the

689
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.960
Grinding things that happen to us that change us into different forms

690
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:33.000
You know, that's part of I believe when I'm talking about in terms of like the paradigm

691
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.080
and

692
00:41:35.080 --> 00:41:38.040
But getting back to that concept the paradigm

693
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.600
That I'm talking about in terms of shifting is

694
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:51.320
Not trying to avoid the trial and I'm not I'm not saying anybody's saying this what I'm trying to I'm just trying to get back

695
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.320
to sort of a paradigm idea

696
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.400
I'm

697
00:41:57.200 --> 00:41:59.200
Getting good at

698
00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:02.160
Going through the trials and

699
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:07.320
Not only just not letting things bother you but understanding

700
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.880
The source and

701
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.760
understanding what's truly happening to you instead of oh

702
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.560
I'm being tempted or I'm being attacked or I'm being this and

703
00:42:19.120 --> 00:42:25.920
And reframing that in a biblical sense in a truth sense to go. Yeah, that's actually not what's really happening

704
00:42:27.240 --> 00:42:34.200
What's really happening is something that's very very false. Very very very very not true is

705
00:42:35.240 --> 00:42:38.200
trying to get my attention and

706
00:42:39.240 --> 00:42:41.040
trying to

707
00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:43.040
put me in another direction and

708
00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:45.960
so

709
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.360
Like for instance instead of feeling unworthy about it

710
00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:57.240
You develop a sense of worthiness and you're like, yeah, that's not worthy of my attention

711
00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:02.120
so then a deflection of something that used to be a temptation is

712
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:09.040
Not something to be resisted as much as it is to be understood that yeah, I don't that's not really like that's not me

713
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:11.640
You know

714
00:43:11.680 --> 00:43:18.680
So when somebody who used to just fall at every temptation in a certain area and now is this like

715
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.440
water off a duck's back

716
00:43:21.680 --> 00:43:23.680
What changed?

717
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.720
You know what I mean like what changed from that season to this season

718
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.760
their paradigm

719
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.040
they had a shift and understanding of

720
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:43.440
Either what that temptation was or what their relationship to it was or why they were so disposition to that

721
00:43:46.640 --> 00:43:48.800
Versus how they perceive it now

722
00:43:51.240 --> 00:43:55.000
How they deal with it now how they pursue, you know, does that make any sense of anybody

723
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.920
Like can anybody answer that question? Like what changed? What's the difference?

724
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:06.720
Usually a paradigm shift is I mean I'm talking about like so like the example of like temptation for instance

725
00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:13.000
Well, you see you take responsibility where before you'll your thinking will be

726
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.920
Oh, this is happening to me. I have no responsibility

727
00:44:18.040 --> 00:44:24.600
This person brought you know, I drank and this person brought alcohol and it's their fault, you know in the paradigm

728
00:44:24.600 --> 00:44:28.080
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah be that I'm in control of that

729
00:44:28.080 --> 00:44:33.680
I'm in control of that. If I do it, it's me. It's not anyone else and take

730
00:44:34.200 --> 00:44:40.520
Radical responsibility for your actions and you know, it's not like you made me mad or oh they did this

731
00:44:40.520 --> 00:44:43.520
It's like I allowed them to push my buttons and gave away

732
00:44:44.240 --> 00:44:51.560
Interesting, you know, I gave away my responsibility for my reactions or my emotions. Yeah

733
00:44:51.560 --> 00:44:53.560
Yeah, well, I think

734
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.160
Go ahead

735
00:44:55.160 --> 00:44:59.440
I mean I was gonna say there's a couple things that come to mind with that specific example, David

736
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:10.160
where, I mean, you could have the paradigm shift of just how ugly and painful sin is to God,

737
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:18.080
having that revelation happen. You can also have the revelation of just how good and wonderful

738
00:45:18.720 --> 00:45:25.040
and all-encompassing God's love has been to you before, during, and after those times,

739
00:45:25.600 --> 00:45:31.120
and just that shifts in your mind to where you start making those choices like, you know what,

740
00:45:31.120 --> 00:45:37.920
I'm not going to take advantage of God's love. I know how ugly and painful this is to Him and how

741
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:44.000
ugly and painful it is to me. So, I mean, those are just two things right off the bat.

742
00:45:46.160 --> 00:45:48.160
Good. Thank you for that.

743
00:45:48.160 --> 00:45:54.640
Well, I think your question, David, was like, what is a paradigm shift,

744
00:45:54.640 --> 00:45:55.920
fundamentally? Is that correct?

745
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:01.360
Yeah, but I was kind of using the example of kind of like, for instance,

746
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.160
yes, I'd like you to talk about paradigm shifts, but the for instance was like

747
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.720
someone who was dealing with temptation and falling at every moment versus now that doesn't

748
00:46:12.720 --> 00:46:17.200
affect them is like, what changed? My answer to that was like, they had a paradigm shift,

749
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.640
but what was different there? So, I guess, indirectly, the question is like,

750
00:46:22.640 --> 00:46:24.480
yeah, what's a paradigm shift? What does it mean?

751
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.240
Well, I mean, there are a lot of different opinions about that, but my understanding

752
00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:36.800
is that generally paradigms are considered to be mental frameworks and mental filters that we use.

753
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.600
And the question of, I mean, which to me kind of goes to that verse that says,

754
00:46:41.600 --> 00:46:46.960
be transformed through the renewing of your mind. So, I think like psychologically speaking,

755
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.280
that can happen a few different ways. One is if your sense of narrative changes in your place in

756
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:55.760
the story, like some people have talked about and like you were talking about with that guy

757
00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:01.040
who turned 50, maybe he's living in kind of like a different narrative. Some of it can be emotional

758
00:47:01.040 --> 00:47:06.720
healing, perhaps, that causes change of thoughts. And then as Christians, it seems like we also

759
00:47:06.720 --> 00:47:12.560
believe that there are spiritual dynamics. So, maybe the healing of one's crushed spirit or

760
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:18.080
something along those lines would be kind of some of my hypotheses.

761
00:47:19.040 --> 00:47:23.200
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because I'm coming from a standpoint of like paradigm being

762
00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:28.960
like a set of fundamental

763
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:40.480
assumptions that you have about like the way things are or what truth is or

764
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.880
how your life is. You know, a lot of people

765
00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:54.080
script their underlying truth or their foundation of what they believe is right,

766
00:47:54.080 --> 00:48:00.880
wrong, or the way things work is based on how their life has been up until that point.

767
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:08.240
Would that be something that generally is agreed to? Most people,

768
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.960
without having any source of outside foundational truth, like an absolute truth,

769
00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:21.920
that still is hard to reconcile sometimes because a lot of our life experience sometimes doesn't

770
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:27.280
line up with that. Sort of like, I hear what you're saying, but my life experience has been

771
00:48:31.040 --> 00:48:39.280
and for the most part, if we were to be honest, we make all of our decisions and all of our

772
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:47.360
behavior patterns based on some of those decisions and things based on the paradigm in which we're

773
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:56.480
living. And it's not until that paradigm is shifted circumstantially or shifted in some

774
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:05.920
moment of truth or understanding or some trial or tribulation or some sort of life-altering moment

775
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:14.640
that we have a greater revelation or a different understanding of what is true or what is right

776
00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:20.240
or what is the way things are. I guess that's what I'm talking about is when you're having,

777
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:27.920
because the shift is like something's different. But the paradigm is the part where like,

778
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:34.880
this is the set of assumptions that I have right now. And from the set of assumptions are everything,

779
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:41.280
my whole life comes out of every decision, every understanding, the way I look at the world,

780
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:47.920
the way I frame relationships and what's happening to me. You know what I'm saying?

781
00:49:49.120 --> 00:49:52.720
That's kind of where I'm coming from, from this whole thing. So I hope that brings some clarity.

782
00:49:52.720 --> 00:49:59.760
Well, I'm thinking they took some flat earthers to Antarctica.

783
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.720
to track the Sun and a few of them had paradigm shift where they oh shit the

784
00:50:05.720 --> 00:50:11.600
earth's not flat but that's a paradigm shift but I'm glad you brought that up

785
00:50:11.600 --> 00:50:15.320
I've been thinking about flattock the whole time like just how there's there's

786
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:21.120
serious yeah there's like well there are like well-meaning Christians that look

787
00:50:21.120 --> 00:50:25.480
at the scriptures and say okay like there's flat earth language in the Bible

788
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:30.640
that must mean that the earth is flat because how they view God and how they

789
00:50:30.640 --> 00:50:35.720
view the Bible that's their frame of reference but then you have others that

790
00:50:35.720 --> 00:50:40.520
you know understanding the historical context of when it was written their

791
00:50:40.520 --> 00:50:45.640
paradigm was probably the earth was flat and that's why they framed the language

792
00:50:45.640 --> 00:50:49.240
that way it is whereas now because of technology and all the other things that

793
00:50:49.240 --> 00:50:57.200
we've been able to do and learn we know with verifiable evidence and it's not

794
00:50:57.200 --> 00:51:06.320
yeah just thing it's interesting how we got to flat earth you have people who

795
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:11.640
think that everyone everyone's trying to get over on me everyone is this and

796
00:51:11.640 --> 00:51:14.960
you'll be with them and they'll be all did you see that person do you see what

797
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.560
they just didn't know I didn't notice it because they're trying to verify their

798
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.240
beliefs and their views of how they're treated so they're looking for every

799
00:51:23.240 --> 00:51:27.320
little cue to find that where the person who thinks everyone gets along with me

800
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.360
and you know I have a good time they'll have a whole different experience yeah

801
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:35.720
that's that would be an example of two totally different paradigms right right

802
00:51:35.720 --> 00:51:40.480
until that one person accepts that oh you know I'm probably wrong oh look yeah

803
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:46.960
no and starts to look in question is old paradigm and then goes yeah hey look my

804
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:51.240
friend they're always nice and I'm with him and they treat us the same and then

805
00:51:51.240 --> 00:51:55.640
his you could steer whole life will change if you change that attitude yeah

806
00:51:55.640 --> 00:52:00.280
yeah you're looking for validation that nobody likes me and that that guy was

807
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:05.760
rude to me to hear and this person looked at me funny and yeah you know

808
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:08.880
John you're describing what you're describing made me think of something

809
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.480
there's a terms that's escaping me at the moment but it's the opposite of

810
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:18.040
paranoia and it's this this fixated belief that everyone is out for your own

811
00:52:18.040 --> 00:52:24.400
good so I I think it just sounds great yeah this actually I don't I'm not a

812
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:28.520
professional but I mean I I've I've heard that that's like a that's a subset

813
00:52:28.520 --> 00:52:36.400
of paranoia actually when people have a paranoia that everyone's out to get them

814
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:42.720
and yeah kind of fascinating

815
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:49.560
anybody else got some revelations some understanding I'm just throwing out this

816
00:52:49.560 --> 00:52:57.480
topic because I'm trying to just have some discussion around it because I

817
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:02.480
think I mean I think that I'm thinking about doing a deep study on it but go

818
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:08.080
ahead Thomas thank you yeah if Pete I mean based on what people are saying I

819
00:53:08.080 --> 00:53:12.680
mean our brains are exposed to 9 to 11 million pieces of information per second

820
00:53:12.680 --> 00:53:16.720
to my understanding but we can only focus our own we can only be conscious

821
00:53:16.720 --> 00:53:22.080
of around 40 and we can only focus on between 7 and 11 so so so we do kind of

822
00:53:22.080 --> 00:53:27.720
we even even when we as humans are looking at the same pool of information

823
00:53:27.720 --> 00:53:32.160
we are our brains because we've been trained it to filter starting I think

824
00:53:32.160 --> 00:53:37.760
from I'm correct from around three months old you know we're creating those

825
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:44.200
filters but I think David it sounds like you you were asking like what's it to me

826
00:53:44.200 --> 00:53:48.080
it sounds like if we're seeking kind of those paradigm shifts what can we do

827
00:53:48.080 --> 00:53:51.680
there's an interesting book called surfing the edge of chaos about like

828
00:53:51.680 --> 00:53:56.680
kind of chaos theory and business and one of the main themes is title pools

829
00:53:56.680 --> 00:54:02.640
and how cultures and life forms tend to really grow and thrive and become

830
00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:07.520
resilient when they are running into life forms that are different from

831
00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:13.480
themselves and figuring out and there are probably different times for

832
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.440
different things in different seasons with the Lord but I think it's kind of

833
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:24.320
exciting to realize that if we are willing to expose ourselves to kind of

834
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:28.680
new things new ideas new people like Jesus said be in the world but not of

835
00:54:28.680 --> 00:54:32.120
the world I feel like for me a lot of the times when my paradigms have gotten

836
00:54:32.120 --> 00:54:36.320
very stagnant it's when I haven't been in the world and kind of bumping up

837
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:41.320
against stuff where you know where my my mentality can be like oh wow this

838
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:45.520
contradicts like this very dearly held belief like I've been carrying around

839
00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:50.600
yeah yeah that's that's interesting that's a very that's a very interesting

840
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:56.600
powerful because my the work that the question that's come up in my heart

841
00:54:56.600 --> 00:55:01.120
about paradigm shifts

842
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:12.080
is primarily focused on people in terms of their life

843
00:55:12.080 --> 00:55:20.440
and their spiritual journey, and helping them to, I guess,

844
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:27.960
and specifically men, to, I guess,

845
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:39.280
come out of some very archaic sort of functional thinking

846
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:40.960
and work their life better.

847
00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:46.160
I'm using weird terms because I don't

848
00:55:46.160 --> 00:55:48.720
want to use cliche terms.

849
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:51.600
If I was saying cliche terms, I would just

850
00:55:51.600 --> 00:55:56.080
say I want men to come out of religious thinking

851
00:55:56.080 --> 00:56:01.920
and quit being bound by a lot of the things that have been

852
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.320
pervading modern Christianity.

853
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.440
So that they can find fruit.

854
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:08.840
What's that?

855
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:10.360
The Christianese.

856
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:11.600
Yeah.

857
00:56:11.600 --> 00:56:13.640
Because I want to come out of that,

858
00:56:13.640 --> 00:56:16.480
because I believe in a large part

859
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:27.560
there's a lot of that culture, language, behavior, ideology,

860
00:56:27.560 --> 00:56:28.320
history.

861
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.440
I mean, there's so many factors to it.

862
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.920
It's not just one particular denomination, or this,

863
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:34.040
or that, or whatever.

864
00:56:34.040 --> 00:56:36.320
But it's just a lot of that that is really

865
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.040
hindering for well-meaning men.

866
00:56:40.040 --> 00:56:47.120
Good men that are just hindered.

867
00:56:47.120 --> 00:56:54.200
Because they're not, number one, I

868
00:56:54.200 --> 00:57:00.040
feel like there's been a restriction on masculinity.

869
00:57:00.040 --> 00:57:03.800
And religion plays a part of that.

870
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:10.760
And I feel like that there's not a freedom.

871
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:12.880
And I'm not talking about trying to be

872
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:19.200
some toxic masculine sort of bring the man thing back.

873
00:57:19.200 --> 00:57:23.280
I'm not trying to go there either.

874
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.680
I'm trying to have an honest conversation about helping

875
00:57:25.680 --> 00:57:31.120
people reframe their thought process.

876
00:57:31.120 --> 00:57:33.160
And for some reason, this word paradigm

877
00:57:33.240 --> 00:57:35.680
has just been stuck to me.

878
00:57:35.680 --> 00:57:41.080
When I describe, for instance, when I describe,

879
00:57:41.080 --> 00:57:43.080
oftentimes I get introduced to new people

880
00:57:43.080 --> 00:57:44.080
I've never met before.

881
00:57:44.080 --> 00:57:47.200
And they say, hey, who are you?

882
00:57:47.200 --> 00:57:48.200
What do you do?

883
00:57:48.200 --> 00:57:52.080
I said, yeah, my wife and I, we have an online coursing

884
00:57:52.080 --> 00:57:53.920
in community business.

885
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:56.440
And it's called Last Year Single.

886
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:58.920
And we help people prepare for marriage-minded relationships.

887
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.040
And they're like, oh, cool.

888
00:58:01.040 --> 00:58:04.040
And sometimes we go further in the conversation.

889
00:58:04.040 --> 00:58:05.560
If I'm talking to someone who I feel

890
00:58:05.560 --> 00:58:08.960
like would understand the believer life or church

891
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:10.560
or that kind of culture, I'd say,

892
00:58:10.560 --> 00:58:12.960
yeah, I used to have a vocational ministry

893
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.000
career for about 20 years.

894
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.040
And then my paradigm shifted.

895
00:58:18.040 --> 00:58:20.200
And usually, when I say something like that,

896
00:58:20.200 --> 00:58:22.120
they're like, oh, OK, I understand.

897
00:58:22.120 --> 00:58:25.440
Because they're thinking, you don't do ministry anymore.

898
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.240
But you haven't left the faith.

899
00:58:27.240 --> 00:58:28.200
You're still a believer.

900
00:58:28.200 --> 00:58:29.240
But you do business now.

901
00:58:29.240 --> 00:58:30.320
And things are different.

902
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.080
You understand the world differently and this approach.

903
00:58:33.080 --> 00:58:34.360
And now you're doing this.

904
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:36.200
So it's a simple way to like, hey,

905
00:58:36.200 --> 00:58:38.680
how did you get from here to there sort of thing?

906
00:58:38.680 --> 00:58:41.560
But what I realized was that in sort

907
00:58:41.560 --> 00:58:45.560
of that word and that paradigm, like when my friend said,

908
00:58:45.560 --> 00:58:48.520
sometimes you just need a new pair of shoes,

909
00:58:48.520 --> 00:58:49.680
that was the thing.

910
00:58:49.680 --> 00:58:51.440
It's like that's oversimplification

911
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:54.120
of a very profound truth that said,

912
00:58:54.120 --> 00:58:56.120
I came to a certain point.

913
00:58:56.120 --> 00:58:58.800
And when I left the ministry that I was in,

914
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:03.760
I left it because I finally said to myself, I love y'all.

915
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:04.560
God bless you.

916
00:59:04.560 --> 00:59:06.120
I feel like I've come to the point

917
00:59:06.120 --> 00:59:09.080
where like we're beyond 50%, meaning

918
00:59:09.080 --> 00:59:12.960
that every organization, everything,

919
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.560
all this kind of stuff, no one can ever be perfect.

920
00:59:16.560 --> 00:59:18.640
But I feel like we're beyond the 50%.

921
00:59:18.640 --> 00:59:21.440
Like I feel like we're doing more harm than we're doing good.

922
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:24.280
So I've got to bow out.

923
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:24.880
See you later.

924
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:25.440
God bless you.

925
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:26.480
I love y'all.

926
00:59:26.520 --> 00:59:28.760
But I got to go do something else.

927
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.320
And whether I was right or wrong,

928
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:35.080
it was the calculation and qualifying

929
00:59:35.080 --> 00:59:38.000
that I made in order to make the paradigm shift.

930
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:39.920
You see what I mean?

931
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.920
So it was required for me to understand that, OK,

932
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:43.840
here's a new season.

933
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:44.680
I got to move on.

934
00:59:44.680 --> 00:59:47.200
But if I say new season or if I say religiosity,

935
00:59:47.200 --> 00:59:48.760
if I say all this thing, it brings up

936
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:54.440
all of this architecture of language

937
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:56.600
that then you have to overcome that, too,

938
00:59:56.600 --> 00:59:58.720
in the midst of trying to have this discussion.

939
00:59:58.720 --> 01:00:00.520
Well, you know that paradigm shift.

940
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.640
and shift it to pivot. Yeah, that became that became the

941
01:00:04.640 --> 01:00:08.360
buzzword paradigm is an older word that was used probably in

942
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:13.560
the 90s, early 2000s around that. Then it became pivot

943
01:00:13.640 --> 01:00:19.200
around COVID or whatever we pivoted. And but I think the

944
01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:25.040
heartwork is a paradigm shift or a pivot because like for men or

945
01:00:25.040 --> 01:00:28.120
women, because whatever your attitude is towards the other

946
01:00:28.120 --> 01:00:31.680
sex, when you start doing the heartwork, you start realizing

947
01:00:31.680 --> 01:00:35.800
that you need to change your thinking. Or you're gonna stay

948
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:37.440
where you're at. Yeah.

949
01:00:38.720 --> 01:00:41.000
So I love that.

950
01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:45.280
Well, I hope you guys have heard my heart. And I hope you guys

951
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:51.880
have thought about some things. I hope it's maybe stirred some

952
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.280
some conversation in your own heart and mind about

953
01:00:58.040 --> 01:01:01.880
you know, what you believe. I think I don't do a lot of

954
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:03.080
testing and a lot of

955
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:11.840
confrontation in what people believe. I, I believe that's

956
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.320
more of my wife's job and other people that I know that are

957
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:18.720
confronters. People that confront things like they just

958
01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:21.040
like, yeah, they just confront it. They're just go after it.

959
01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:23.680
You know, all the time. And I love that those people have an

960
01:01:23.680 --> 01:01:26.560
anointing to do that. I don't really have a calling

961
01:01:26.560 --> 01:01:29.880
necessarily to do that. I'm more of the, let's talk about this.

962
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.480
Let's discuss this. Let's find out interesting things. Let's

963
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:38.920
you know, whatever. I don't know. But I appreciate you guys

964
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having a discussion with me tonight.

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What just came to me is repent is kind of like paradigm shift

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or, or it means it is right or pivot.

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It is because, because repenting is literally having a new way

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of thinking a mind shift, right? Where you're like, like, oh,

969
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yeah, that doesn't like, instead of feeling bad about it, like,

970
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oh, I need to repent. Like you realize when you come to

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yourself, that is not working for me, right? Therefore, I'm

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turning away from that. And so anything that's trying to like,

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go there with me, just that doesn't, I've grown beyond that.

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And so now I am turning away from that and I'm repenting.

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Yeah. Because, yeah, just like most people, especially in a

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very religious context, the word repentance was something I had

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to do. Like, I have to repent, you must repent. I'm like,

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what does that mean? Sounds like a lot of hard work. Sounds like

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an impossibility. Sounds like something I can't achieve.

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Turn it from. Yeah. And so many people are stuck in that.

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And anyway, any more thoughts, any last thoughts?

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May all of us be blessed with good paradigm shifts.

983
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Yeah, that's true. Thomas, hey, maybe, maybe we should write a

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book together.

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I do love writing. We can, we can, we can talk about it. But

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I'm not a fan of writing. I'm not a fan of writing. I'm not a

987
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fan of writing. I'm not a fan of writing. I'm not a fan of

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writing. We can, we can, we can talk about it. But yeah, we'll

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see.

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Every kind of interesting. All right. God bless you guys. Have

991
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a great, great night. Good, good discussion. Good topic. David

992
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wish you well in your new relationship. That's pretty

993
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cool. We're celebrating. Yeah.

994
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Oh, no, David is are you going to show up for the cake fight?

995
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Just just for the cake fight. Not the wedding. Okay, that's

996
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fine. Just for the cake fight.

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I was just me. Jackie doesn't believe in that. I get triggered

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by the cake. You know why? My first marriage, I think the

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bride, my wife, she was not very happy with me at the time. And

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so it was very passive aggressive cake fight or cake in

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the face. Yeah, that's

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that if you if you see the bride just shove cake in the groom's

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face all over the place that she's pissed somehow. Yeah. And

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it won't end well. But that's yeah, I think that can be that

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can be a shift that paradigm, john. Yeah, I know. When I got

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married the next time I was I nicely put the cake in her

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mouth and she didn't mind.

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My little heartwork action. Yeah. Love it. Love it. Thanks

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for leading us tonight, David. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Are

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you coming to Northern Cal or you stay in SoCal?

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01:04:51.520 --> 01:04:54.320
We're staying in SoCal. I actually leave on Wednesday to

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go back to Austin for a few days. And then I'm coming back

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to the same spot for you gone to Crystal Cove down there.

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Yeah, we've been there to Chris. Okay, that's really nice. Yeah, and and the the burger place on the oh, yeah

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I love that. Yeah the Shake Shack

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Yeah, now we were I was by that a couple times last couple days nice I

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usually take a cruise out of

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Newport out into the into the bay

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It's it's pretty you go on group on it's pretty cheap and you see dolphins and sometimes I see whales

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Dolphins and stuff. It's fun. It's like two hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think we actually might do one of those when you come

1021
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It's only like 30 bucks. Look on Groupon. It's not bad. It's Captain Davies locker or something like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Captain Dave's good

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Well, yeah, yeah, it's so it's always fun. I always do that

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Awesome. All right guys. Have a good one. God bless

1024
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All right. See you guys