WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.880 screen real quick. Yep. Thank you. So basically I am working on, so one of the funnel is already 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:17.440 live. There's a second one that I'm working on where the form is in Rainflow. It's sorry, 3 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:23.600 actually this one is hiding behind the Zoom link. I have to scroll it down. This is a different one. 4 00:00:23.840 --> 00:00:31.360 Yeah, I can see it now. So this one is Megan. I was trying to create the same, 5 00:00:31.360 --> 00:00:38.720 duplicate the same funnel, but then I'm directly connecting my website to it rather than the form 6 00:00:38.720 --> 00:00:46.400 within on Facebook. So the form is in Rainflow, but then I'm getting this error where it's asking me 7 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:58.000 to attach the, what was it called? Tracking or pixels, something about pixels. I was getting 8 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:03.280 an error that pixels need to be connected or something like that. And I was not able to 9 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:10.160 deploy or get my funnel live. So I was trying to figure out what does that mean and how can I, 10 00:01:10.160 --> 00:01:16.800 so this one is the active, which is already in like live. This has the form in Facebook 11 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:25.200 and then I duplicated the same one. And then that one, I now, now the form is not in Facebook, 12 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:32.880 but it's my two step funnel. So form is in Rainflow. So can I just open it? Edit it. Let 13 00:01:32.880 --> 00:01:39.280 me just open it and show you. So is it like the same campaign type or is it a different campaign? 14 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:47.040 It is the same campaign type, but instead of the, instead of the form, like for example here, 15 00:01:48.160 --> 00:01:57.200 it just asked me, where was it? I can find it. Like it asks you, you want to add a form or a 16 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:04.480 website instead of the form I selected website option. So I'm not, I'm not manually creating 17 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:12.880 the form within here. So for example, destination, right? So for destination, I chose website. 18 00:02:12.880 --> 00:02:23.680 So this is my, like the complete funnel. And, and then I added this. So I just want this to, 19 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:29.920 I wanted to make it live. And also my other question was, if I want to change my creatives on 20 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:35.360 this one, which I have duplicated, how do I change it? Because I have another picture, 21 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:40.080 other creative, I want to test it out. So I was thinking maybe on my second, 22 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:46.560 like this ad, I can use a different creative just to test it out simultaneously, like two creatives. 23 00:02:47.200 --> 00:02:53.120 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You can definitely do that. Okay. So the problem you're having is you need 24 00:02:53.120 --> 00:03:00.480 to set up a pixel before this. Yes. Yes. It's asking me to set up some pics. It was somewhere. 25 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:07.680 I'm still learning this one. I mean, it was, I saw it somewhere, but I do not remember on top 26 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:16.000 of my mind. It's right here. Data set. It's asking me to set a data set and create it. And this one 27 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:24.320 is mandatory because it doesn't let me publish it or, you know, until this is set up. So I was 28 00:03:24.320 --> 00:03:29.680 not sure how to set this up. Yeah. Basically what a pixel does, it looks like they're calling it 29 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:39.040 data set now. It's kind of like a tracker that you put on. I don't exactly know how it works, 30 00:03:39.040 --> 00:03:43.360 but it follows the person so that when they leave Facebook and go to your funnel, 31 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:51.920 Facebook can track what actions they take, which will then allow Facebook to give you accurate data. 32 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:57.760 This many people ended up on the landing page. This many people like fill out the form. This 33 00:03:57.760 --> 00:04:02.320 many people made it to the second step. So you like set that up so that Facebook can provide 34 00:04:02.320 --> 00:04:07.280 that data without that. Facebook doesn't know what the person does. This is a pretty advanced 35 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:18.720 advertising question, honestly, which is a better Wednesday call. This is a common thing that's 36 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:24.640 needed. And so Steven made a video for this once I put it in the rainflow course. It's under the 37 00:04:24.640 --> 00:04:30.320 advanced section, but I'll drop the direct link to it here in the chat. It's like a 17 minute 38 00:04:30.320 --> 00:04:36.480 walkthrough of like how to install a pixel for your rainflow funnel. I would try that first. 39 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:42.000 I want to say he recorded this last year. It could be that things look different and have changed. So 40 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:46.640 kind of try to go through that on your own today. And then I'd say come back tomorrow and see if you 41 00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:53.360 has any insight if you're not able to do it on your own. I did do this successfully once, 42 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:57.600 but it was a while ago and I'm not super confident about walking someone through it. 43 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:59.840 So I would follow this video first. 44 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.200 See if you can get it set up. 45 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:03.040 That's good. 46 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.760 And for the graphics, should I talk to Ecolite tomorrow then 47 00:05:06.760 --> 00:05:08.400 how to even look at the graphics? 48 00:05:08.400 --> 00:05:09.240 I can talk to him, that's fine. 49 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.040 Yeah, and basically all you're gonna do here is like, 50 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:15.800 you can have two different or multiple different creatives 51 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.960 within the same ad set. 52 00:05:17.960 --> 00:05:19.440 So you see how it's like three different, 53 00:05:19.440 --> 00:05:22.880 it's like campaign, ad set and then ad, like a creative. 54 00:05:22.880 --> 00:05:25.760 You can have like 10 different creatives 55 00:05:25.760 --> 00:05:27.120 underneath that ad set. 56 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.320 So they can all be running under the same ad set 57 00:05:29.320 --> 00:05:31.760 and then you can compare and see which one performs better. 58 00:05:31.760 --> 00:05:35.200 But as far as like what you actually want in the creative, 59 00:05:35.200 --> 00:05:38.880 yeah, Ecolite is great with like marketing angles and stuff. 60 00:05:38.880 --> 00:05:40.960 So I would maybe brainstorm with him 61 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:43.120 of like what types of creatives to try. 62 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.400 But if you just like, one time I had like six different, 63 00:05:46.400 --> 00:05:48.640 I just had AI make me a bunch of different photos 64 00:05:48.640 --> 00:05:52.360 and I put them all in a different like ad creative 65 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:54.080 and I let them run for like a week or two 66 00:05:54.080 --> 00:05:57.200 and I picked a winner, like which one performed the best. 67 00:05:57.200 --> 00:05:58.720 So you could just do that too. 68 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.240 Data will tell you which one's performing the best. 69 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.720 I'll just dial back in then tomorrow 70 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:07.760 and pick it up from there. 71 00:06:07.760 --> 00:06:09.520 And you said it's the advanced section, 72 00:06:09.520 --> 00:06:11.320 you said from our phase. 73 00:06:11.320 --> 00:06:12.160 Is it the- 74 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:17.040 Yes, it's in the Rainflow course under advanced content, 75 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.000 but I did drop the link in the chat 76 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:20.440 if you wanna just use that. 77 00:06:20.440 --> 00:06:21.320 I'll just grab that. 78 00:06:21.320 --> 00:06:22.160 All right. 79 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:23.000 Thanks, Megan. 80 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.040 Yeah, no problem. 81 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.440 Okie dokie. 82 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.720 Let's see, who's next here? 83 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:30.560 Carrie. 84 00:06:32.640 --> 00:06:35.400 So I'm asking for Sean and he's not here 85 00:06:35.400 --> 00:06:36.840 so I can't share screen, 86 00:06:36.840 --> 00:06:40.360 but maybe you can just like give us tips or tricks. 87 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.800 We are trying to do our email campaign. 88 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.720 We have it all set up and for some reason in Shopify, 89 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:52.080 it is not letting us tag our segment 90 00:06:52.080 --> 00:06:55.560 so it won't let us launch the campaign. 91 00:06:56.440 --> 00:06:57.880 And we can't figure out why. 92 00:06:57.880 --> 00:07:00.560 Like we've been trying to launch for two days now. 93 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.960 We have everything written out, everything sent, 94 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:07.000 all the emails in, each one is personalized per person. 95 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:08.200 And for whatever reason, 96 00:07:08.200 --> 00:07:11.000 Shopify won't let us tag the segment 97 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.600 so it won't let us launch. 98 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.840 Okay, what? 99 00:07:15.840 --> 00:07:18.400 You're using Shopify to send the emails? 100 00:07:18.400 --> 00:07:20.000 We're using Shopify. 101 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.840 So I think Sean got Sequoia. 102 00:07:22.840 --> 00:07:27.280 So that was what like the chat has been suggesting. 103 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:30.400 They did not suggest us doing Rainflow. 104 00:07:30.400 --> 00:07:33.640 So we are doing everything in Shopify. 105 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:35.880 Okay. 106 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:39.360 And where are your contacts? 107 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:40.560 Where's your email list? 108 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:41.960 Everything is in Shopify. 109 00:07:41.960 --> 00:07:43.320 It was in Rainflow, 110 00:07:43.320 --> 00:07:46.480 but we integrated everything into Shopify. 111 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:47.320 Okay. 112 00:07:49.080 --> 00:07:52.160 I have no experience with anything on Shopify 113 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:54.480 as far as email campaigns go. 114 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.320 I would honestly just have to look at it and poke around. 115 00:07:58.960 --> 00:08:00.280 Yeah, I don't know. 116 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:04.360 I wonder why, I mean, 117 00:08:06.960 --> 00:08:07.880 trying to think. 118 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.360 If you've already got everything set up in Shopify, 119 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:12.640 I'd probably just keep going with it, 120 00:08:12.640 --> 00:08:15.320 but you can integrate Shopify with Rainflow. 121 00:08:15.320 --> 00:08:16.920 That's like how I would use it 122 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.600 is I'd use Shopify as like, you know, the checkout place 123 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:22.280 that I would do all my email marketing 124 00:08:22.280 --> 00:08:24.000 and CRM and Rainflow. 125 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.120 With Shopify, you're gonna have to start getting add-ons 126 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:28.280 and stuff, right? 127 00:08:28.280 --> 00:08:30.600 Like you have to add different apps and stuff 128 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:32.280 because Shopify is meant to be a store 129 00:08:32.280 --> 00:08:34.520 and then they have all these apps that you add 130 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:39.080 and things. 131 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:40.679 But if you've already got it all set up, 132 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:42.159 I'd probably try to keep going with it. 133 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.520 I just don't have any experience with it. 134 00:08:44.520 --> 00:08:48.480 So if he wants to come back sometime on a call 135 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.080 and we can like look at it, 136 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:53.280 but I don't know off the top of my head 137 00:08:53.280 --> 00:08:54.720 like where exactly to look. 138 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.640 It's probably just, you know, it's a different platform. 139 00:08:56.640 --> 00:08:58.720 So there's probably something hidden somewhere. 140 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:01.920 You just gotta like find that setting. 141 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:04.280 So maybe have him come back where he can like share screen 142 00:09:04.280 --> 00:09:05.240 and we can look through it. 143 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:06.600 And it could be, you know, tomorrow, 144 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:08.440 you guys could help him too. 145 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:09.720 It doesn't have to be next week. 146 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.000 So, or Thursday with Steven, whatever works. 147 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.480 Okay, thank you. 148 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:15.680 Yeah, no problem. 149 00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:19.600 Okay, Melissa, I see your hand up. 150 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:20.760 Hello. 151 00:09:20.760 --> 00:09:21.720 Hello. 152 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:22.560 Okay. 153 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:27.680 So I last week talked to you, Clyde. 154 00:09:27.680 --> 00:09:30.640 And so he's been like trying to move me along, 155 00:09:30.640 --> 00:09:32.600 trying to figure this out. 156 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.920 So I have a new ad running on Facebook. 157 00:09:37.680 --> 00:09:40.320 I use the ultimate ad optimizer, 158 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.080 whatever it was in the AI that helped a lot. 159 00:09:43.160 --> 00:09:48.160 And so I've got, I'm basically, I've got this website 160 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:53.160 and the business idea is to create simple websites 161 00:09:53.400 --> 00:09:56.520 for service businesses, you know, 162 00:09:56.520 --> 00:09:59.720 the one man show kind of a thing, you know, where. 163 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:05.600 that's the niche, that's the target. From everything I can tell, like having run through 164 00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:11.520 the ultimate ad chat, going back and forth, showing that everything is set up, everything's 165 00:10:11.520 --> 00:10:15.760 working. I mean, I'm just going to, let's just, just try, like, that's what it's saying. I'm 166 00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:23.520 getting landing page views, but just nobody yet, like no leads, no somebody, like filling it out. 167 00:10:23.520 --> 00:10:29.280 This time the ad is for a free sample website, you know, and it's like, click here, fill this out, 168 00:10:29.280 --> 00:10:34.400 get a free sample website. And I think, like, honestly, I think the big part of it is that 169 00:10:34.400 --> 00:10:38.480 there's a ton of people doing this. Like, there's a lot of people out there doing what I'm doing, 170 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:44.400 like, hey, get out. So I guess my question now is, I'm coming up with, thinking about, like, 171 00:10:44.400 --> 00:10:49.680 all the things I've learned now, being a mastermind, the Instagram, right now, I'm just 172 00:10:49.680 --> 00:10:55.120 running the ad on Facebook. And so it's just, I started just running this one ad, and I'm just 173 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.520 trying to think about, like, when it comes to the brand building, and it comes to the Instagram 174 00:10:59.520 --> 00:11:07.520 creating community, that do you think, like, it would make sense to try, you know, because I 175 00:11:07.520 --> 00:11:15.600 thought, should I try to start an Instagram, and start, or just stay on Facebook, and, but, like, 176 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:22.080 offer things, like, I guess I'm saying what else to offer, like, something offer for free, or, 177 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:27.360 like, I just learned how to make loom videos. I can make a loom video on, like, how to set up 178 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.440 your domain. Like, that's something people don't ever know how to do. And, like, if they're going 179 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.760 to need a website, they're going to have to buy a domain. So I'm, like, I could, like, create some 180 00:11:35.760 --> 00:11:40.560 quick little videos, and be, like, here, and, you know, because then I'm thinking, well, Instagram, 181 00:11:40.560 --> 00:11:45.840 I could start an Instagram, and, like, start offering, like, hey, click this, and get a free 182 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.680 video on how to set up, you know, like, I'm just trying to think about, 183 00:11:50.560 --> 00:11:56.000 what other smaller free things can I offer to start getting people to, like, 184 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:02.480 respond, or engage in any way, so that, because I still think even signing up for a free sample 185 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:07.600 website is still too much. Like, I don't even know if I need a website, and my husband is, 186 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:12.640 he is a service business, like, it's this niche thing, and he has so much business, he doesn't, 187 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:16.400 he doesn't have a website, and he doesn't need it. He's got more business than he needs, 188 00:12:16.400 --> 00:12:22.560 and I think sometimes that's the case, that people don't think they need a website. So I'm having to, 189 00:12:22.560 --> 00:12:30.080 like, I want to figure out how to push past that. Okay. I mean, two things come to mind. 190 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:36.720 The first thing, and I, I mean, this might be more the issue, honestly, 191 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.760 especially if you're not having anyone, like, sign up for it, like, even the freebie, 192 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:50.400 that kind of tells me that people don't think this is for them. Like, when you feel, when you, 193 00:12:50.400 --> 00:12:58.320 like, come across an ad that is, like, the algorithm has targeted you so well, that it's, 194 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:04.480 like, oh my gosh, this is neat. Like, it totally has been stalking me, and what I'm watching on 195 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:09.840 Netflix, and looking at my Google searches, and put this ad in front of my face, and knew I wouldn't 196 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:16.080 be able to resist. When you come across that, it is just a matter of time before they take action. 197 00:13:17.040 --> 00:13:23.840 Like, I'm thinking of a recent thing that I, like, signed up for, and it took me, I mean, 198 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:29.360 I probably saw, like, an ad for it, like, four, five, six times before I signed up, and then I 199 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:33.520 started getting their email. Like, it took a long time, but, like, it was so targeted to me, 200 00:13:33.520 --> 00:13:37.120 I could not help but feel like, wow, this is just, like, it's on the money, right? 201 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:37.600 Yeah. 202 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:43.840 When you feel like that, it's just a matter of time before they take action. And so, usually, 203 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:50.640 it's an issue of, like, you're either not, like, speaking the language of the target audience, 204 00:13:50.640 --> 00:13:57.040 so they don't feel identified with it, or maybe it's not even clear who the target audience is. 205 00:13:57.040 --> 00:14:03.520 Like, you haven't niched down enough. So, like, you know, just saying I can create a website for 206 00:14:03.520 --> 00:14:09.840 any business owner is a pretty big net to cast, and even Facebook doesn't know who to show it to. 207 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.120 That could literally be any person on planet Earth, you know? 208 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:20.000 Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, right now, like, the ad is targeted, like, to service business. So, 209 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:27.120 it's, like, the list of, like, HVAC, snowplow, landscape, you know, cleaning, like, it is kind 210 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:33.680 of narrowed down to, like, that. And, like, the few, like, there's, like, one comment I got that 211 00:14:33.680 --> 00:14:37.520 didn't really make a lot of sense. And, like, but they're, like, people are liking, and there's, 212 00:14:37.520 --> 00:14:42.320 like, little by, like, little bits of, like, people saying, and I look at their profiles, 213 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:47.840 and I can't really see much about them, you know? But it is targeted somewhat. It's not just going, 214 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:53.680 like, anybody who owns a business. Like, it has been kind of targeted towards that more 215 00:14:53.680 --> 00:14:59.840 smaller business one-man show type of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's still a pretty wide. 216 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.400 I've been honestly, I mean, that's, it's a lot. That's a lot 217 00:15:03.400 --> 00:15:07.400 of people. And it's hard for someone to come across that and 218 00:15:07.400 --> 00:15:10.320 be like, Oh, that's me. Like, it's just too wide of a net. 219 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:18.280 Like, okay, so I actually was working with a guy a few months 220 00:15:18.280 --> 00:15:21.280 back, and he's doing a lot of what you're doing. I mean, very 221 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:24.360 similar, except he's also doing like, in addition to the 222 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.840 building of the site, he helps them with SEO and helps them 223 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.800 rank on Google searches so that they can get leads for their 224 00:15:30.800 --> 00:15:36.000 business, which is a good little thing to add. But he only worked 225 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.160 with people who were like, our guests. Do you know what I mean? 226 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:44.240 Like, people? Yeah, those are the only people he worked with. 227 00:15:44.280 --> 00:15:47.560 I mean, it was so specific. It was Yeah, it was almost like 228 00:15:47.560 --> 00:15:51.480 hyper specific. And I was like, Why did you choose this? And 229 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.840 he's like, Well, I did a couple and then it was like, I kind of 230 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.960 knew what he was doing what to do. So I like provide really 231 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:02.080 excellent service to the people in this industry. And he gets 232 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.280 and he he's like, I get enough business from everyone in the 233 00:16:05.280 --> 00:16:08.960 country. Right? There are arborists. He's like, I don't 234 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:11.960 need to branch out. So like, when you when and when I have 235 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.800 person comes across that ad and is like, I'm an arborist and I 236 00:16:15.800 --> 00:16:19.200 need that. Like it's right. It's it hits harder identify. Oh, 237 00:16:19.880 --> 00:16:23.440 like it feels really specific. Yeah. So me if you don't want to 238 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.560 niche down to a specific industry, which I think is 239 00:16:26.560 --> 00:16:30.480 pretty specific, you can be shown in another way. Like you 240 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:35.600 could single out specifically, like like you're saying 241 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:37.960 service-based businesses, but you could add some filters to 242 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:46.120 that. Like you could say I'm looking for like, single LLC 243 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:50.800 people like what am I trying to say? Like single owner run 244 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.520 businesses, right? Oh, employees, like it's just a one 245 00:16:53.520 --> 00:16:56.720 man show, like you're saying, like, like literally use that 246 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:00.560 word. If you use that word in the ad, Facebook will find 247 00:17:00.560 --> 00:17:03.520 people who are single owner LLCs. I'm not kidding you. 248 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:09.200 Right. Say that in the ad, you could also maybe I would say it 249 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.119 might be a good idea for you to niche down by age like people 250 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:17.800 over the age of 40. So like, single people over the age of 251 00:17:17.800 --> 00:17:21.680 40, who run a business by themselves, a service business, 252 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.359 like that's more niche to the point where like someone's going 253 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:26.880 to feel called out when they see that ad and Facebook is going to 254 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.440 have a much better idea of who to send that to and show it to. 255 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:32.880 Yeah, that's like, that's the first thing I would do. That 256 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.480 would be step one, because I think you'll see like, not 257 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:41.680 necessarily more interest, but better quality, right? People 258 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:46.160 more likely to take action. Yes. The second thing I would do is 259 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.760 think about thinking about anything that would get in the 260 00:17:49.760 --> 00:17:54.960 way of someone saying yes to that, and provide us an answer 261 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:59.240 for that in the lead magnet. So like, for example, you just said 262 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:02.120 they might not even know they need one, say that, like, say 263 00:18:02.120 --> 00:18:04.800 their thoughts out loud and be like, right, I'd be thinking, I 264 00:18:04.800 --> 00:18:08.760 don't know if I need one, I can tell you if you need to literally 265 00:18:08.760 --> 00:18:11.600 call that out and tell them that you're going to give them the 266 00:18:11.600 --> 00:18:14.800 answer to every question they have. You don't know how to get 267 00:18:14.800 --> 00:18:17.240 a domain that's been holding you up. I'll get it for you. 268 00:18:17.280 --> 00:18:20.080 Yeah, I'm not gonna send you a video. I'm gonna do it for you. 269 00:18:20.120 --> 00:18:23.000 Yeah, you don't even have to worry about it. You know, like, 270 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:27.640 yeah, just take away all the friction. So think through or 271 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.440 talk through a chat. Like what are all of the like, all the 272 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.920 opposition? Yes, what what are those barriers? And then answer 273 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:39.920 that in your full custom package, like provide every 274 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.400 solution to that. Yeah. And I think you're hitting the right 275 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.720 person, they feel called out, you're answering every 276 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.920 objection they have. I mean, how can they not say no? Yeah. 277 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.560 Right. Yeah. Again, it's just a matter of time before they take 278 00:18:52.560 --> 00:18:54.240 action and that right, right. 279 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.240 Well, and I do want to like I mean, I just I mean, like this 280 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.400 new ad, it hasn't been running for a week, you know, so I'm 281 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:05.920 like, need to be patient. So I'm like, do you think like, is that 282 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.240 my thought is to just because the one that I'm running, it's 283 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.440 got a picture. It's I'm focusing on landscape. I mean, that's 284 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:14.920 kind of like, I'm it's my website says like any service 285 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.040 business. But it's I'm I am focusing on landscapers because 286 00:19:18.040 --> 00:19:20.120 it was snow plowed. And now we're out of that season 287 00:19:20.120 --> 00:19:23.680 because I'm like, kind of like it's West Michigan. Okay. A lot 288 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.000 of but now it's landscape season. So I was like, well, 289 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:29.360 folks, so the picture is landscapers. So it is kind of 290 00:19:29.360 --> 00:19:33.040 focused on that. But my thought is like, Oh, go ahead. 291 00:19:33.080 --> 00:19:35.920 All right. I just thought when you said that, do you have a lot 292 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:39.600 of non English speaking landscapers where you live? Yes. 293 00:19:39.840 --> 00:19:43.680 That's an extremely common, extremely common profession for 294 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.400 especially Hispanic immigrants is landscaping. I would run the 295 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:50.800 ad in Spanish too. Okay, that was good. That was something 296 00:19:50.800 --> 00:19:53.640 else. Oh, yeah, because I see a lot of comments coming. And 297 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:57.440 there are Spanish speakers. And I'm like, yes. And maybe that's 298 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.400 what the number one thing holding them back is going to 299 00:19:59.400 --> 00:19:59.800 be 300 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:05.280 yeah the language they don't know how to build the website in english or you know they're trying to 301 00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:10.080 hire a friend who kind of speaks in it i have a lot of experience with this i literally was an esl 302 00:20:10.080 --> 00:20:14.560 teacher i work mostly with the hispanic population i know all the objectives they have yeah and 303 00:20:14.560 --> 00:20:18.800 they're not going to be super familiar with technology usually first-gen immigrants are 304 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:25.040 so you are going to be like i'm going to be your liaison to the english-speaking community 305 00:20:25.040 --> 00:20:29.920 it's gonna be easy it's gonna be great you just show up and do what you want to do so that would 306 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:34.480 be a really good target audience for you honestly you can make a whole niche just out of pads yeah 307 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:39.280 it's only i don't wish i knew how to speak spanish that would help but there's chat gpt 308 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.640 honestly you don't need to you don't need to because the service you are providing them 309 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:50.480 is they need english for the only reason you would need spanish is to like ask them questions 310 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:56.000 right but if you're like you know through messages you can get the job done yeah for sure 311 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:01.680 but so mike do you think like for like let's say next their next step like i'm definitely that 312 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:08.640 gives me a lot to research my my first thought is let the current one run but maybe make like 313 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:15.040 copy it make a spanish version of it yes and run that i would run it in english and spanish 314 00:21:15.120 --> 00:21:21.200 same exact yeah okay so maybe that'll be my first step will be copy the same one in spanish 315 00:21:21.760 --> 00:21:28.000 and run it at the same time and then start yeah and thinking about what to answer yeah the reason 316 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:33.680 why i run it in spanish to see how it performed is because uh you know they'll still they may still 317 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:39.600 come across the english ad um because facebook can translate it for them or they can see you 318 00:21:39.600 --> 00:21:46.240 know they can see the translated version but if you put it in spanish it tells facebook's algorithm 319 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.400 show this to spanish speakers all of a sudden you're showing up in front of spanish speakers 320 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:55.600 it's just like a much faster way to get in front of them because that's what facebook's going to 321 00:21:55.600 --> 00:22:00.800 show them right who are they going to show spanish out to people who speak spanish right so um okay 322 00:22:00.800 --> 00:22:08.240 and you could even like adjust the ad creative to like show like you know like latino people 323 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:13.760 landscape like you want them to feel identified identify yeah okay cool but yeah i think that's a 324 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:20.320 really good idea all right great ideas thank you yeah yeah no problem all right what other 325 00:22:20.320 --> 00:22:35.520 questions do we have here any other questions i've got a quick question sure all right so i finally 326 00:22:35.520 --> 00:22:41.920 am working with a great manufacturer um like ready to order my sample and everything from them 327 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:47.360 and i'm just wondering what is the best way to lay out all of like the specs of my product for 328 00:22:47.360 --> 00:22:56.240 them like the innovations is there like a long time ago um i was sent kind of just a document 329 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:03.120 from one of like my first coach back in september and not sure if that's still like an up-to-date 330 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:09.600 thing that is used by rainmakers to send manufacturers yeah yeah for sure um there 331 00:23:09.600 --> 00:23:16.160 might even i think there might be something in the uh in the course that's kind of like a template 332 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:22.000 i want to say michelle coach michelle had made it and it was like uh maybe this is just for the 333 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.600 design i can't remember this would be in phase two but it was just kind of like a template 334 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:35.840 uh i'll show you one that i've done um oh wait i'm in the wrong account i did like a 335 00:23:35.840 --> 00:23:42.800 i mean you can do anything any way for you to like just deliver written words with photos 336 00:23:42.800 --> 00:23:49.680 is excellent so that's a google doc i did like a google slide thing whatever you want it to be 337 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:56.400 uh just make sure it's like words clear descriptions accompanied with pictures whenever 338 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:02.640 possible um that's just going to communicate your concepts really clearly if you haven't 339 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:12.720 already done this i love getting a like product sketch like done for like what i want um you could 340 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:16.720 depending on the product if it's like a kind of highly technical product or something you want 341 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:22.240 to do like a cad design like a cad drawing it's like think like you know engineering type it's 342 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:29.600 like really high quality lots of specs uh or if it's not that kind of product like it doesn't 343 00:24:29.600 --> 00:24:34.240 really need a cab design you can still do a product sketch so that's what i did the example 344 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:40.720 i'm going to show you that's what i did and it just um this is something you can hire someone 345 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:47.200 on five or four um and i literally just like i described everything in words and asked them to 346 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:52.880 draw it like draw a product sketch of this took a few back and forth revisions but once i had it 347 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:57.760 this is the clearest way for me to communicate to the manufacturer what's in my head and like 348 00:24:57.760 --> 00:24:59.760 what i'm trying to get them to do right 349 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.760 So this is the slide thing that I sent them. 350 00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:06.120 So the first page is just, here's the overall design. 351 00:25:06.120 --> 00:25:09.560 This is the part of the product sketch that they sent me. 352 00:25:09.560 --> 00:25:12.680 So I'm just showing them the front, the back, the side. 353 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:14.920 And then I had gone back and forth 354 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:17.520 with the manufacturer on materials and sizing 355 00:25:17.520 --> 00:25:18.320 and stuff like that. 356 00:25:18.320 --> 00:25:22.680 And so once I picked, she sent me samples of the material. 357 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.960 And so I knew exactly what the name of the material was. 358 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:29.560 So see how I'm telling her, the exterior material 359 00:25:29.560 --> 00:25:30.400 is going to be this. 360 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:31.760 The interior is going to be this. 361 00:25:31.760 --> 00:25:33.200 This is the hardware that I want. 362 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.560 I'm sending her pictures of those things. 363 00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:37.200 I'm sending her the dimensions. 364 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.560 I'm sending her links of other examples 365 00:25:41.560 --> 00:25:43.160 that I found on the internet. 366 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:46.320 So I'm saying, see this example for the shape 367 00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:49.080 of the top of your design. 368 00:25:49.080 --> 00:25:52.720 So I'm sending her this example of another product, not mine, 369 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:54.800 but something I found online that captures 370 00:25:54.800 --> 00:25:57.640 what I'm looking for, which, of course, isn't there anymore. 371 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:01.160 And then I'm just showing her both in pictures 372 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:03.280 and in written words. 373 00:26:03.280 --> 00:26:05.920 I'm trying to describe what I want, 374 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.360 sending her other examples of other bags 375 00:26:08.360 --> 00:26:12.880 when possible, just to give her a general idea. 376 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:14.600 So I would do something like this. 377 00:26:14.600 --> 00:26:16.160 This could be easily in a Google Doc. 378 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.120 It could be in a slide show, whatever you want. 379 00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:23.320 But pictures, words, links, screenshots, other examples, 380 00:26:23.320 --> 00:26:26.880 all of those things are great to communicate your ideas. 381 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:27.400 Perfect. 382 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:31.200 And you do recommend getting a sketch done of the product. 383 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:31.720 I do. 384 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:33.680 I think it's really helpful. 385 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.080 I've done products where I didn't do that, that 386 00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:39.080 were simpler, especially if it's like I'm 387 00:26:39.080 --> 00:26:42.320 taking a product that's mostly already exists, 388 00:26:42.320 --> 00:26:44.560 and I'm just making tweaks to it. 389 00:26:44.560 --> 00:26:47.840 This particular product was a design from scratch. 390 00:26:47.840 --> 00:26:49.560 I really couldn't find anything like it. 391 00:26:49.560 --> 00:26:53.000 And so I felt that a product sketch was absolutely needed 392 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.760 because I couldn't find anything like it. 393 00:26:54.760 --> 00:26:56.760 And I really didn't know how else 394 00:26:56.760 --> 00:27:01.000 to get the picture I had in my head across to them. 395 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:05.360 So it depends on how novel of an idea it is that you're making. 396 00:27:05.360 --> 00:27:09.120 And I've made products that were entire. 397 00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:11.320 The whole communication was me sending 398 00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:13.560 screenshots of other things. 399 00:27:13.560 --> 00:27:15.800 I want this from this product, this from this product, 400 00:27:15.800 --> 00:27:18.920 this little piece from this, and they put it together. 401 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:20.280 So you can get it done that way. 402 00:27:20.280 --> 00:27:23.040 It just depends on how complex the idea is. 403 00:27:23.040 --> 00:27:23.960 OK. 404 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:24.440 Awesome. 405 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:25.080 I appreciate that. 406 00:27:25.080 --> 00:27:25.560 Thank you. 407 00:27:25.560 --> 00:27:26.040 Yeah. 408 00:27:26.040 --> 00:27:29.160 If you need any recommendations for fiber people, 409 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:30.280 I've worked with a few. 410 00:27:30.280 --> 00:27:31.960 I can send you some of my favorites. 411 00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:32.880 But yeah. 412 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.760 That would be awesome. 413 00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:36.240 I'll send you the guy who did this. 414 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.360 He actually did a really good job and really cheap. 415 00:27:38.360 --> 00:27:39.760 I think I paid him $20. 416 00:27:39.760 --> 00:27:44.080 And all these pictures you see, he sent me all of these. 417 00:27:44.080 --> 00:27:44.600 OK. 418 00:27:44.600 --> 00:27:45.920 That's definitely worth it. 419 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:47.560 I don't even know really how he did it. 420 00:27:47.560 --> 00:27:48.560 Some computer program. 421 00:27:48.560 --> 00:27:49.120 I don't know. 422 00:27:49.120 --> 00:27:50.000 That's not my forte. 423 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:51.120 But it was really cheap. 424 00:27:51.120 --> 00:27:55.560 So let me find this guy's contact. 425 00:27:55.560 --> 00:27:58.960 And I will send it to you. 426 00:27:58.960 --> 00:27:59.920 That would be awesome. 427 00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:01.200 Thank you. 428 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:01.700 Yeah. 429 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.320 All right. 430 00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:07.600 Other questions? 431 00:28:08.600 --> 00:28:11.880 I guess I have one more question. 432 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:13.880 Sure. 433 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:15.760 Kind of about patents. 434 00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:17.880 So yesterday, I was doing a little bit of research, 435 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.640 just making sure there's nothing out there. 436 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.520 And right now, there is a patent pending, kind of for, 437 00:28:24.520 --> 00:28:27.600 it's more on the utility patent side. 438 00:28:27.600 --> 00:28:28.120 OK. 439 00:28:28.120 --> 00:28:28.640 Yeah. 440 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:30.360 So I'm going to go ahead and get started. 441 00:28:30.360 --> 00:28:32.000 I'm going to go ahead and get started. 442 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.640 I'm going to go ahead and get started. 443 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:35.280 I'm going to go ahead and get started. 444 00:28:35.320 --> 00:28:41.680 So are you able to see the details of the utility patent? 445 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.320 Are you able to see what they have patented specifically? 446 00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:51.880 So are you able to see the details of the utility patent? 447 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:55.080 Are you able to see what they have patented specifically? 448 00:28:55.080 --> 00:28:55.600 Yeah. 449 00:28:55.600 --> 00:28:59.280 It's pretty much the attachment mechanism on the bag. 450 00:28:59.280 --> 00:29:02.200 So the product is a magnetic gym bag. 451 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:02.680 OK. 452 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:04.800 And so what the utility patent is for 453 00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:08.440 it connects to other magnetic surfaces. 454 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.680 And the biggest overall description 455 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:17.080 is just that it's a flat surface on the back of the bag 456 00:29:17.080 --> 00:29:21.960 with magnets that attaches to another magnetic surface. 457 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.560 I see. 458 00:29:23.560 --> 00:29:28.320 Is your design going to in any way be similar to that? 459 00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:31.040 The attachment part of it, yes, just 460 00:29:31.040 --> 00:29:35.480 because that's the whole concept of the bag itself. 461 00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:41.400 But there are things that set it apart from their patent, 462 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.360 if that makes sense. 463 00:29:42.360 --> 00:29:43.640 It's not just a bag. 464 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:48.640 It also acts as a phone stand for workouts. 465 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:49.240 Like, yeah. 466 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.200 It's got lots of features. 467 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.120 What you need to be concerned about 468 00:29:53.120 --> 00:29:56.880 is the specific thing they have patented. 469 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.280 So even if it weren't a bag, but you're 470 00:29:59.280 --> 00:30:00.280 using the 471 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.220 same mechanism, and that's what they have patented. 472 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:03.720 Even if it were a different product, 473 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.080 they could still try to sue someone for that. 474 00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:10.920 Even if it were, say, a completely different product, 475 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.200 but they're using this patented concept 476 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.880 of how the magnetic thing connects surfaces. 477 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:18.680 That's the important part of it. 478 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.400 So you would want to just steer clear of that. 479 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:22.640 So how worried should you be? 480 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:24.840 If you're steering clear of what they have patented, 481 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:26.200 not worried. 482 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.960 As long as you're avoiding that, it's no problem. 483 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:34.560 If it could be construed in any way, they could, 484 00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:36.880 I mean, if they tried to sue, 485 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.840 trying to sue you would be a pretty extreme move. 486 00:30:39.840 --> 00:30:41.960 The first thing that they would do 487 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.200 is contact you with a cease and desist 488 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:46.480 and tell you to stop selling your product 489 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.520 and to dump all of your inventory. 490 00:30:49.520 --> 00:30:51.760 And I've seen that happen before with people 491 00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:52.800 where people reach out and were like, 492 00:30:52.800 --> 00:30:55.040 you have to immediately stop selling this product. 493 00:30:55.040 --> 00:30:58.400 They can even ask you to pay them 494 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:02.840 for any profits that you've earned on previous sales. 495 00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:05.320 They're probably not going to try to sue you. 496 00:31:05.320 --> 00:31:08.000 It's really expensive and a long process to do that, 497 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.520 but they can really mess up your situation 498 00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:13.000 if you've ordered a thousand units 499 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.720 and then you can't sell them, right? 500 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.120 So you want to be really careful about steering clear 501 00:31:19.120 --> 00:31:22.040 of anything that could be construed 502 00:31:22.040 --> 00:31:24.000 as overlapping with their patent. 503 00:31:25.360 --> 00:31:27.280 They don't even have to prove it, right? 504 00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:28.640 They don't even have to prove 505 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.640 that you have in fact infringed on their patent. 506 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:35.160 If you tread on their territory in any way, 507 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:36.440 even if it's, you know, 508 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.720 they wouldn't, might not uphold an accord of law, 509 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.440 they can still, like they have the upper hand with Amazon. 510 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:44.160 Amazon doesn't play around with that. 511 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.760 So if they submit something to Amazon 512 00:31:46.760 --> 00:31:49.080 and say, I think this person is infringing on my patent, 513 00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:50.800 they're just going to take their side. 514 00:31:50.800 --> 00:31:52.360 They're just immediately going to take their side 515 00:31:52.360 --> 00:31:53.280 and shut down your listing. 516 00:31:53.280 --> 00:31:55.840 They're not going to figure out who's right. 517 00:31:55.840 --> 00:31:57.400 They're not interested in that. 518 00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:58.680 They're just going to play it safe 519 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.040 with the person who filed the patent. 520 00:32:01.040 --> 00:32:04.680 So the key here is don't piss off the patent owner. 521 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.160 Like avoid any confrontation with the patent owner 522 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.280 so that they don't even want to come after you. 523 00:32:10.280 --> 00:32:13.160 Sometimes if they're your direct competitor, 524 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:14.360 they'll come after you anyway. 525 00:32:14.360 --> 00:32:18.080 Like I have seen patent owners come after anyone 526 00:32:18.080 --> 00:32:18.920 in their space, 527 00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.280 even if they weren't doing anything with their patent, 528 00:32:22.280 --> 00:32:24.280 just because they're stealing their sales. 529 00:32:24.320 --> 00:32:27.080 And again, the burden of proof is on the person 530 00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:28.920 who's trying to defend themselves at that point. 531 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.160 Like Amazon's siding with the patent owner. 532 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.600 So you want to like make a wide berth 533 00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:37.200 around this patent owner person. 534 00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:40.280 I know that it's probably the concept 535 00:32:40.280 --> 00:32:42.480 and the keyword of it is like the magnetic thing. 536 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.600 But if you, if I were in that situation, 537 00:32:44.600 --> 00:32:47.520 I'd try to avoid the magnetic thing entirely. 538 00:32:47.520 --> 00:32:49.760 And then there's like no real argument there. 539 00:32:49.760 --> 00:32:50.840 Like there's no argument. 540 00:32:50.840 --> 00:32:53.040 Like I'm not even, it's not even magnetic. 541 00:32:53.320 --> 00:32:54.680 I'm doing some other thing, 542 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.040 like some other attachment, some other cool idea. 543 00:32:58.040 --> 00:33:01.800 If that kind of like shoots down the product idea entirely, 544 00:33:01.800 --> 00:33:05.320 maybe if you still want to like hang onto the product, 545 00:33:05.320 --> 00:33:08.680 I'd maybe get an opinion from like an IP attorney, 546 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.120 like an intellectual property person and just say like, 547 00:33:11.120 --> 00:33:14.800 hey, like how risky do you think this is before I do this? 548 00:33:17.040 --> 00:33:18.800 Just to kind of know. 549 00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:22.720 But if you can avoid the magnetic thing entirely, 550 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.240 then I think you'd be safe. 551 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.000 But if that isn't a shoot down the idea, 552 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.520 then you might need to do a little deeper digging on it. 553 00:33:29.520 --> 00:33:31.760 Yeah, I've kind of had the same thoughts 554 00:33:31.760 --> 00:33:34.640 of doing a little bit more digging. 555 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.320 It's not like it hasn't been approved. 556 00:33:36.320 --> 00:33:37.880 It honestly was just submitted. 557 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.160 So I know it takes a long time to even figure all that out 558 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.040 for the patent to get approved. 559 00:33:44.040 --> 00:33:46.360 But like currently on Amazon, there are a lot. 560 00:33:46.360 --> 00:33:47.720 It does. 561 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.360 Do they have anything on their listing 562 00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:52.240 that says like patent pending or anything like that? 563 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.280 Not currently, not on Amazon that I've seen. 564 00:33:56.280 --> 00:34:01.080 They are like the only kind of relatively big person 565 00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:03.200 selling this product. 566 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.400 All of the other people on Amazon are just, 567 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.840 it's kind of a new thing. 568 00:34:06.840 --> 00:34:08.800 And so there's people trying, 569 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.480 but there's not like a lot of reviews or there's great sales 570 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.440 but not a lot of reviews on Amazon yet 571 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.679 for most of the people, except for this one company. 572 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.440 Okay, that's probably why they're trying 573 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:23.239 Right, yeah. 574 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:24.800 They've seen some success. 575 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:26.080 Yes. 576 00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:27.600 All right, cool. 577 00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:30.880 I'll look more into it for sure. 578 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.480 Yeah, if you weren't digging. 579 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.480 Yeah, I'd reach out to an IP attorney. 580 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.520 You know who you could reach out to? 581 00:34:40.520 --> 00:34:45.520 So Prime Corporate Services has a guy 582 00:34:45.600 --> 00:34:47.760 who I think he's an IP attorney. 583 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.400 Bye Grima. 584 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:50.920 His name is Frank. 585 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.280 So you could start with Frank 586 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.440 because you can ask him an initial question 587 00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.320 and it's not gonna cost you anything. 588 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.400 you at some point when it's going to cost something, 589 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.640 but you could probably get some free info out of him. 590 00:35:04.640 --> 00:35:07.640 So especially because like they have a relationship with us. 591 00:35:07.640 --> 00:35:10.920 So it's in their best interest to like make us happy basically. 592 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.480 So you can get more out of him than like just any random person 593 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.520 who isn't affiliated with us. 594 00:35:17.520 --> 00:35:20.600 So check out Frank from Prime Corporate Services. 595 00:35:20.600 --> 00:35:22.120 And he's dropping this in the chat. 596 00:35:22.120 --> 00:35:24.080 Yeah, Lisa says, Frank is great. 597 00:35:24.080 --> 00:35:27.600 He's done a lot of like brand registry trademark stuff, 598 00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:29.280 but he'll know about patents too. 599 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.240 That's like in his wheelhouse. 600 00:35:31.240 --> 00:35:34.600 And then here is the, I'm going to drop the link 601 00:35:34.600 --> 00:35:37.640 for the Fiverr guy. 602 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.680 Fiverr. 603 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.280 I should have done this on my computer. 604 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.160 Then I could have copied it. 605 00:35:46.160 --> 00:35:47.160 I'm just thinking. 606 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:55.440 R-E-4-I-G, I think that's right. 607 00:35:57.040 --> 00:35:57.880 Check. 608 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:03.880 S-R-E-4-I-G-5-N, okay, I messed that up just a little bit. 609 00:36:17.160 --> 00:36:19.000 Okay, let me see if this works. 610 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:20.800 I had two fours in here, hold on. 611 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:33.880 Four, all right, try that link, okay. 612 00:36:34.240 --> 00:36:35.680 I'm really butchering this. 613 00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:37.680 His name is Mark. 614 00:36:38.520 --> 00:36:41.680 That's, you should see if that link works. 615 00:36:43.200 --> 00:36:46.680 I'm trying to see, his prices look like they've gone up, 616 00:36:46.680 --> 00:36:51.560 but I think I did the like, I did like the lowest, 617 00:36:51.560 --> 00:36:53.600 I did the lowest one, honestly. 618 00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:56.840 But, or, you know, even people like him, 619 00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:57.920 you don't have to necessarily use him, 620 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.920 but like, you'll see the keywords that he's using, 621 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:03.320 and then you can look up other people. 622 00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.840 Because at this point, I'd probably hire someone cheaper. 623 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.960 It looks like he's gone up a bit with all of his sales. 624 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:10.640 But yeah, you're looking for product sketch, 625 00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:12.280 product designer, basically. 626 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.200 Awesome, thank you so much. 627 00:37:15.200 --> 00:37:16.200 Yeah, no problem. 628 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.000 All righty. 629 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.800 Okay, what other questions do we have? 630 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.400 Anything else we wanna go over today? 631 00:37:35.640 --> 00:37:38.040 You guys just mostly hanging out and listening? 632 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:42.720 Lisa's, Lisa squared, team Lisa's on the call. 633 00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:47.720 Lisa's on the call, Lisa's on the call, Lisa's on the call. 634 00:37:48.720 --> 00:37:52.320 All right, well, if there's no other questions, 635 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.480 I'm gonna wrap up early 636 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.720 and get to a couple of questions in my email here. 637 00:37:59.560 --> 00:38:02.240 So last chance, any other questions? 638 00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:03.720 Anyone wants to go over? 639 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.800 Okay, tomorrow, UCLides will be on 9 a.m. 640 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.960 And then Thursday, Stephen will be on 9 a.m. 641 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.520 So if you have more questions, 642 00:38:14.520 --> 00:38:16.280 you wanna go over to UCLides, 643 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.120 if you have more questions, you wanna come back. 644 00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:24.320 UCLides is especially great at marketing, advertising. 645 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.240 So come back for questions about that. 646 00:38:26.240 --> 00:38:28.440 And Stephen will answer anything, 647 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.640 but he loves talking about AI these days, especially. 648 00:38:31.640 --> 00:38:34.600 So if you wanna geek out on AI stuff, 649 00:38:34.600 --> 00:38:36.240 go hang out with him on Thursday. 650 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.560 Other than that, I will see you guys next week. 651 00:38:40.560 --> 00:38:42.440 All right, have a good week, everyone.