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All right, let's go.

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So I actually realized there's obviously not going to be any coaching on Thursday because

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it's Thanksgiving.

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I know, we need to let our international friends know that because they might not even know

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it's coming.

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I don't know what that is.

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I actually think Australia might have one, it's just a different day.

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Who knows?

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That's funny.

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Okay, I think we are live on Facebook.

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So, that's awesome.

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Let's see, I know that Hillary, let me just check the list here.

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Yeah, she has, Hillary, like we'll talk with her, but I don't think she's on yet.

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She's connecting.

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Give her a second, but you can chat with Susie as well, since you're here.

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I'm sure there's something we can talk about.

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I am so excited.

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I have been a little bit distressed because, you know, I'm talking about joy, Thanksgiving,

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presence, intimacy.

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And then I just happened to have a Christian recommended this book called The Gratitude

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Prescription and it's talking about the importance of gratitude for everyone, you know, and joy

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for everyone.

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And I'm thinking, oh God, you know what?

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It's kind of like, why Jesus?

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You know, we've got this, why Jesus?

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So, this morning I was just, oh God, what?

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And it's like, oh, it's adultery.

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Oh, intimacy, that's not with God.

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He calls adultery.

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And I don't have to say it's wrong.

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I don't have to say it's, I don't have to say anything.

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And suddenly that verse where Paul says, you know, I'm jealous because I have betrothed

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you to God and I am concerned lest as the enemy deceived Eve that you will be led astray

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from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Jesus.

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And the Greek in that devotion to Jesus is actually that's due to Jesus, that belongs

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to Jesus.

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And led astray is that same word as corruption.

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It's withering.

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And so God wants us to be fresh and green and alive and not Jesus is withering.

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Because I'm thinking, really, truly, all of this stuff is out there.

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It makes lives work.

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Makes people's lives, you know, why Jesus?

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I had a friend who was a Christian and then a Buddhist and then she realized that she

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missed Jesus.

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You know, the Buddhist practices were all good, but she missed Jesus.

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I think the world is, I mean, I'm trying to find the reference, but when Jesus talks

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about the people who jump over the fence versus going through the gate, it's this, it's this,

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it's the, it's the wellness, it's health and wellness.

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And it's those that are experiencing the power of the mind body connection and, you know,

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new age, even, I think I'd share this with you.

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Maybe I haven't, but you know, new agers, they believe that they are connected to the

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source of life and they can never be separated from it.

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No separation.

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So sometimes when I talk about oneness with God, I get accused of being a new ager.

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And he talked and I talked to somebody with new age leaning and I talk about this and

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they say, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah.

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I talk about our core and, you know, or a core or a center new agers get it.

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And Christians are really like, whoa.

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And so that's why I'm excited to be able to say, I'm not making this up.

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It's in the Bible.

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Exactly.

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That's what you're doing is you're bringing people to the word of God.

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That's how, that's how God, that's how an invisible God makes himself known through

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his word.

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And so you're making that connection.

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So that's very exciting because again, the world is experiencing a lot of breakthrough.

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They really are because it's biblical truth.

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So it's working.

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It still leads to death though, because there's no Jesus in it.

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Jesus is the way the truth and the life.

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And so the results are experienced, but they're short term because it's leading them to death.

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So you think about like, just for example, health and wellness, that is, there's a lot

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of breakthrough in mind, body connection, learning that your body is intricately designed,

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learning how to feed your body well, but it is a never ending.

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in game because you'll find, and this is something that I'm very, it doesn't mean it's bad. It

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doesn't mean it's evil, but if there's no Jesus in there, if God is not your ultimate source for

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protection, provision and identity, and you find your identity in bodily things like eating organic

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kale, for instance, you know, you find that eventually there's not enough research because

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organic kale has side effects just for some people. Essential oils have side effects for some

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people. So it still is a way that leads to death. Eventually it might be a slow death, slower death

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than people who maybe aren't taking care of their bodies. I'm just using this as an example because

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it's something that a lot of people can understand. Like, yeah, it's good things, not evil,

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but when you do not, when it's, when it's your source, when it is your ultimate source,

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it still leads to death. Same with soulish things, same with things of the mind. And that is why we

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need Jesus because he connected us back to the father who is our ultimate source.

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So, you know, the kale, I get that. And, and I was kind of there at one point, but to me,

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the joy and gratefulness and center, I mean, that's, that's really getting close.

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Oh yeah. And to say, but it's not Jesus. And then somebody who's talking about, yeah, yeah,

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Jesus says he is way the truth or no, no one comes to God, but by him. And I realized,

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no, no one comes to the father, but by him and people can, and what God is, you know,

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Jesus is God of gods, whatever in the world that means that at any rate, I'm still working on that

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one, but I'm getting so that I feel less and less like I need to explain something. I, you know,

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I can't, I can't convince because they already have it down. So what I can do is what the Lord

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tells me to do and be it myself. So anyway, I love it. I love the discoveries that you're making.

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Yeah. Well, and the amazing thing is that they're right in front of our face.

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It just don't make sense. That's the best part. Cause you think it was there all along

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and we get to celebrate that we don't feel condemned by it because we know the Lord has

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us on a journey. So, but the whole thing of him being a jealous God and the whole thing

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about adultery and all of that, that he talked about, um, it's just so right in my face right

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now. You know, it's interesting if you, and I'll, I'll, I know we got to get to Hillary,

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but I just want to say when you read through like old Testament, for instance, and people see an

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angry, wrathful God, what I have learned to see as a heartbroken lover, the language of the

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old test, any of any of that stuff where we look and think, man, well, he's just an angry God. I

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mean, he's just out to get us. So it's a, it's a heartbroken lover and he's bringing us back to

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himself. He's willing us back to him. So it's beautiful. That's great. Thank you.

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Okay. Hillary, I know that you were up first and I appreciate you guys,

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you and Michael, um, putting together the video that you guys did just giving us a,

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it was late, but you did it anyway, for real. I love it. I love it. So actually, yeah, I should

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probably pull you up also on that. So our internet has been really spotty, but I just like, I was,

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while you were, while you were just talking to Susie, I, I was like, I just wrote this down

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somewhere yesterday. So I went into, um, uh, uh, a book, the ABBA factor I was reading it,

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you know, as, as orphans, we say I must achieve, I must perform, I must succeed. I must

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earn my way into the family. And I felt, so I wrote it down. I, I, you know, just hearing God

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say, when you grasp at food, you're narrow-mindedly trying to react to a feeling or grasping at

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anything when all around you, I am doing and feeding you. You know, we just, we miss for the

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small thing we're looking for that meaning or that experience, or, or trying to satisfy an

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emotional pressure, whatever, um, all, all around us, he has abundantly provided every good and

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perfect gift without limit. I love that because we're becoming more aware to it.

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You know, we take him, seek him and we find him. He's not hiding, just making us more aware each

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day. Um, I'm very excited for you guys. Cause it sounds like you are on a growth trajectory right

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now with your community, which is really exciting. And Bruce and I are not in the same room. Um,

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I'm at my parents' house. I'm helping my mom with all the Thanksgiving prep this week. Cause

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she's hosting. So, um, I don't know if Bruce, if you want to jump in first and start talking kind

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of with about what we want to talk about with Hillary and Michael, or yeah, no, you can,

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you can jump in. Um, yeah.

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Well, I just, I think the best way that we can kind of coach you guys is just to share a little

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bit about what we did with our Kingdom Messenger, because we had different tiers of engagement,

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which is what it really sounds like you guys are trying to figure out. And then we can also talk

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about pricing and things like that. But we did not, we did not start, I think what's helpful

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to know, and you guys are on good track, is like, it wasn't like we started from like point A to

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point B, we kind of started in the middle and built out one end to the other. So we started

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with our workshop, which is what you guys already have for your taste and see challenges that you're

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doing. And that was just kind of a come get to know us, it was a lower price point, there was a

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deliverable, a tangible deliverable, which was launch your channel. So it wasn't open ended.

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It was a start point and an endpoint. And then we obviously, as you know,

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offer the 90 day intensive, which was a deeper dive for a specific group.

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What we've done, kind of, we did two cycles of that. And then we started to have content. The

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reason I'm sharing this with you is because you probably have a lot of content that has been

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recorded from that taste and see that you've been doing, and even maybe some of your intensives,

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because I know that you've had a little bit of a an extra level is we've actually started

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feeding into an even more top of funnel than the workshop itself, which is our YouTube channel.

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So that's totally free content. One of the criticisms I get on my ads, which we don't

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take too seriously, but is the fact that I charge for the workshop. I give a lot of stuff away for

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free with a posture anyway, but we realized, hey, there's people sometimes just need,

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we're not trying to convince people that are like in that kind of anger mode. But it is helpful to

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have, as we know, the power of just having YouTube out there and kind of a lossless library. We

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realized we had content that could really help people, tutorials, we did the tech Tuesday,

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we do some inspirational stuff on Thursdays, and that's kind of more of our top of funnel now,

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but we didn't start there. So that was just something that we've kind of built. So now

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we've got everything from free, which is our YouTube channel content to low price point,

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which is a $37 workshop. And it's very clean start to finish. It's a weekend now. We kind

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of whittled it down. And now we have our 12 month membership, which is kind of that higher price

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point intensive. And those are the, you guys are obviously the ones who get the

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live coaching touch points, and that we did the 90 day intensives, which was great because it

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was a start and an end. And you mentioned, hey, we want to do like kind of a 12 week,

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90 day intensive thing too. I'm glad that we started there and kind of then went into a 12

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month membership because we were able to kind of experiment with, first of all, what did we feel

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like we could give, maintain, sustain with our team, with us to where the touch point was high,

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people were taken care of, we weren't overwhelmed, et cetera. And then after doing that twice,

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we realized, okay, we really felt like we had what it took as far as a structure and a system

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to support a 12 month something. And then as you noticed this last one, we did more of a

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standalone product, which is that roadmap course. So no live coaching, but like the access to kind

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of the 12 week roadmap. So that's been, so we've, you can kind of see, we did, again,

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we didn't start from like start to finish, but we've kind of built as we went. So hearing that,

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I would just be curious, like, where do you guys feel like you are right now?

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I know you're doing challenges and I think you have like a deeper dive group, right?

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Here's how it's been. There's the journey to freedom challenge, and that's their introduction.

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Like, what's the name? The Lord has me ask them on the zero day, the Sunday, what's the name of

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the wilderness you need the Lord to walk you out of? And they begin to connect with what's wrong.

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And the wilderness is the Egypt inside you. Egypt isn't touching you, right? So they walk,

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they realize that and they walk through a process and that's our first challenge.

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And then they buy into the deep dive. This is the way it runs now, but it's kind of on hiatus

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and we're in a restructuring. So then the deep dive is 30 days, sweet secrets of success

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from the Sermon on the Mount. And it's Jesus's invitation was, he said, tell them that if

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they'll come sit at my feet 30 days seeking the one thing that's needful, I'll give it to them

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in a way no one can take it from them. And I'll go in and change their root system because they've

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just come to terms with the fact that it's in my hands. The victimhood issue that I've lived

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all these years from wherever it came from is in my hands. And so they're invited to his feet.

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Before we start that, we actually go through two weeks of a free challenge. I open this up

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to taste and see freedom. And I open up the door for more people to be able to come into the deep

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dive. And that is the enjoying your life.

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challenge that the Lord gave me, which kicked off Taste and See Freedom. So just like you,

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Taste and See Freedom is always free. It's all free content, whatever I do on there.

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That's five days. Is that five, the five-day challenge? No, that's just

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Taste and See Freedom. I, I was going in there with Freedom Fridays every Friday.

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I would do the enjoying your life challenges, others, other specials, you know, that would

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happen. It's just your channel. Okay. And then it's a group, it's a private group. Okay. And

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we have a channel, but we need to move more content over there. But so so then so we would

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do that. And then we would go in for those that paid into the deep dive for 30 days. And it's

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intense and it's amazing. And it's again, like it's each phases are really transformational.

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And then at the end of the 30 days, we would invite them into Taste and See Empowerment.

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And the Lord for that one, when I said, okay, what's your vision with that? He said,

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setting my daughters free and causing them to blossom. And that is a discipleship process where

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we're moving from orphanhood into sonship. And, and the things that had people identify with who

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they were, and what they couldn't do, and how they were stuck, and who was default,

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all begins to come away and real issues are dealt with. The thing is that what what what we see what

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we're seeing is there really should be a more accelerated kind of 90 day, like you guys did

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intensive process for that for those people that are really ready. And from there, if they want to

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go into, you know, the empowerment community. So how to put all that together, you know,

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to go from the short thing, and part of the 90 day could be the deep dive, but it's, it's all

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together kind of like a chrysalis, you know, experience. And so that's what you see. And

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do you see any so from point A, which is just a free touch point, you said you had a two week

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challenge. So the first week that the journey to freedom challenge is paid, it's like 15 bucks,

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it's really cheap. And then, and then it's two weeks of, of the free challenge. But the people

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from that challenge have already been given the opportunity to buy into the deep dive. And then

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we just open it up. And we go through this important process of, hey, what does enjoying

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your life look like? And really connecting with the Lord, like he told me what to do each day,

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but we do it twice, we do it once we do it over again, for two weeks, and we do it in the free

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group. And those people are also invited into deep dive. And, and then from deep dive, that issue of

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being a daughter is addressed to where then they can enter even enter into the conversation

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as sons. Where do you guys feel like the biggest friction is right now?

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The biggest friction? Well, I feel like I'm the biggest friction because I'm like,

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the way we're doing this, I can't sustain it. I'm like, I'm in, I'm each group, you know, like,

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and, and so I certainly can't scale it if I can't sustain it. And there's so, and how,

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how to package each of that in a way? How do I even do this intensive? How do I do this? How do

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I do this? Like, I, one of the, one of the things that I was going to ask was, because you've got

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the trajectory is you've got the taste and see, you've got the enjoying your life. Just, is that,

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yeah, you, you've got a lot of things. Can any of those things go away?

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Or do, are they each, or, or can they be an entrepreneur? That question? I know everything

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multi-passionate entrepreneur. When I say go away, I don't necessarily mean,

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I don't necessarily mean to be deleted, but they've almost be absorbed into some, into each

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other. Cause you've got a lot of kind of, you've got many challenges until, and then you've got

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the empowerment thing. So I'm wondering if you're, if you know that you want to bring

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people who probably need some prerequisite to what you're doing, they can't just be like cold

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off the street and then go into this intensive. Cause to your point, it's a different level

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conversation. So they have to have some context for, for that. So there, I get that there's some

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prerequisites to that. Maybe it's one of those challenges, maybe it's two of those challenges

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being combined into one. That's what I'm wondering. Like, yeah, I was going to try to draw it.

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Obviously you guys have.

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We always talk about the value ladder,

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but every time we draw it, it's actually a stairs.

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So you can obviously have like free stuff down here.

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And I don't know like what your top tier things.

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Do you have a challenge?

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Is it paid challenge?

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So, okay.

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So taste and see freedom exists as a group.

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Not a challenge.

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Not a challenge.

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Can anyone join that without doing the challenge?

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Anyone can join off the street, the free private group.

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Any women can, any women, you know,

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just answer these questions, you know,

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so I know you're not.

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That's probably like your free new contacts.

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She doesn't do a lot in there right now.

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That's always, right.

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Michael, can you, honey, I'm sorry.

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I totally want you to share.

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He's got, he has to be working Steven's hot seats

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right now at the same time.

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No, that's totally fine.

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So, okay.

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So taste and see freedom will always be free.

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And then you've got a $15 challenge.

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Is that the enjoying your life?

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So no, the enjoying your life challenge is free.

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And I do that in the free space.

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When I do it, I do it in the free space.

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It's just, so those are kind of together.

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So make it part of the framework of the process

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of people that say, I'm ready to invest

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in not being identified as a victim

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and to find out how I can live freely, live fully

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live God's call on my life.

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So do you use that?

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Do you use that language for my who?

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I just wanted to get, so what, and then just

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if you can just quickly give us like, it's a free $15.

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What's the next couple of tiers there?

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And then it's been, then it's 500 for the deep dive.

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And then we were at 500 for the group.

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The Lord told me bring that up to 800

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and I didn't the last time around.

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Okay. And that's deep dive is what?

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90 days, 30 days?

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Deep dive is 30 days.

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is a year, once a week.

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Is that 800?

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or 50 bucks a month.

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So, so you can see, and you, anyone can do this.

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I just wanted to draw it.

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Cause this is super helpful for your business or ministry.

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It may be like your podcast is the free level

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and maybe you're doing coaching

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or maybe you have a book you're selling

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or you can put a lot of different products on this,

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this list, but you see how like,

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this can create a lot of clarity really fast

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because right now, like you're getting for $500,

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you're getting 30 days, but for only $300 more,

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you get 365 days, right?

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Well, they don't go into the membership until they have,

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they don't even get invited into the membership

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until they've first gone through the deep dive.

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But this intensive, is it okay if I say something?

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So is this kind of one thing though,

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like this is all one group,

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like you kind of have to do the deep dive

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and then you do the 12 months.

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Right, but the people who go through deep dive,

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they don't have to go into the membership,

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but we want to make all that part of the intensive,

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except for the membership, we want to make,

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we want to do a 90 day, like, you know,

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chrysalis intensive.

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Can I share for a minute?

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So she, yeah, so she supports that,

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that enjoying life challenge, deep dive,

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you know, into one and a 12 week,

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maybe like a 12 week, once a week coaching into one thing.

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on the backend, kind of a fellowship kind of thing,

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community.

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one group, and then we'd have the community.

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like, of course they come with the bonuses,

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they come with other things,

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but then people can also buy individual and package,

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prophetic coaching, heart healing, you know, stuff like that.

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coaching and stuff probably sits somewhere in here,

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you know, between 15 and 500, that's fine.

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Like people can definitely go there.

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I think, so the problem is like,

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so if you have a free group like this at the top,

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you're, are you all, like,

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are you posting regularly into this,

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this free group that Taste and See?

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No, when I, when we moved, like, I kind of put, I'd use the excuse that we were moving

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to kind of...

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That's a good excuse.

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But, because I was gonna say, like, basically, in our parallel, like, this is the KMC, which

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is the Kingdom Messenger community in Facebook.

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And like, we don't, like, we do the challenge, and we're, like, very available to everybody

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in the challenge for the three days.

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And then we disappear.

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Like, I literally just mute the entire group, and whatever happens in there happens.

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And so, that's how it should be.

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Like, you do a challenge, you do an event, whatever, and you can just shut it off, and

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just say, just kind of use it as a holding place for people who either want to go back

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and watch recordings, or whatever, and just kind of post things, and kind of get some

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momentum there.

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But you don't have to be the driver here.

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Obviously, if you're starting out, like, on any project, the worst thing you could do

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Like, you kind of want to start on the right and move to the left, as far as your services.

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like a 995 deal, that kind of maybe combines a deep dive, and maybe, like, some extra membership

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after that, or something.

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And then, like, don't even do a challenge, like, just call a few, like, custom clients

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that have done coaching with you, or that you know of, and try to get that one-on-one,

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like, time, and just go and sell it to them, one-on-one.

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buy it.

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And then you could kind of scale it if you wanted to.

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It depends on how fast you want to test the idea, or get it up and running.

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Because, okay, I thought it necessarily had to, like, you know, I was just going to move

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into an event for a few days, and invite people into this, you know, with, I've got a pile

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of testimonies, like video test, written test.

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So if you have an event where you're going to be in front of people, then yeah, 100%

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sell it.

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Sell it all you can.

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you've kind of built this clientele through running everything from the free, to the challenge,

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the deep dive, and even your empowerment membership.

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So you've got a really warm audience who's experienced you, worked with you.

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So before you kind of run an entirely new thing, you might not have to do that.

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If you're really wanting to test out this intensive ideas, like, hey, this is a thing

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that we're really going to be spending our time on, these 90-day intensives.

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So you might want to sell to the people who are already, like, warm with you, versus having

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to start all over again.

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Easy, just an idea on that, just like you could, you've got a group like that, like,

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all you have to do is announce that there's an event, email everybody, be like, hey, next

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Tuesday, I'm going to go live, we're going to do this whole teaching, I'm going to, and

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just teach, like, everything that you would teach in the 30 days, like, just try and share

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it in an hour, right?

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And just like, but I know it's crazy, because you're not going to get into all the detail,

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and you're not going to get all the questions, but you basically just say, like, this is

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what I, you know, let's put this thing on my heart, share it for an hour, hour and a

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half, take a couple questions.

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And then at the end of that, and just say, hey, you know, I'm thinking there's some people

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here that may want to go deeper on this level.

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I'm thinking of structuring it like this, I'm going to be what, you know, I'd love to

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spend 30 days or 90 days with you, just taking everything we just talked about, and like,

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actually implementing that in your life.

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And then just, and then you can say, like, is it okay, if I share it?

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Is anyone interested in that?

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Oh, yeah, that, you know, people like, that sounds interesting, because I, you just heard

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from you, you don't have to do a challenge, it could just be a single teaching like that.

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Like, you can try teaching, we're trying that right now with the Kingdom Messenger roadmap,

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we're going to be doing just like a one and one hour, like masterclass on Facebook ads.

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And then at the end being like, hey, if you want to learn this and more roadmap, and just

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see if see who takes it.

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So I have a question.

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Because to the to those that have bought into the those in the membership, one of the bonuses,

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and, and, you know, I'm kind of like you guys, like those that came in the original group,

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they pay nothing anymore, they're like, it's just in there.

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And then all of the ones in the membership, they, part of the bonus of the membership

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is every time I do a challenge, or a deep dive, you're in.

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And so, so that's why this has to kind of be a whole different I mean, plus, I want

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to look different with different with similar expectations, but

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really intense with an intensified commitment. And it's

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got a whole I just, I feel like it as a whole different, it's

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kind of going from

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working retail to working corporate, or you know what I'm

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saying like it's a it's a it's different. So it may be it may

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be totally plain to you, but I, I don't see it doesn't mean I'm

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not going to mention it to them at all. And it doesn't mean that

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some of them won't come in. But I see it like I see the word

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fresh.

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What is the deliverable from the intensive that you're wanting?

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Like, after the 90 days, what do you want people living doing

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experiencing?

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They have experienced a complete transformation. They're

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not the same person. So they don't see things in their life

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the same way the problems the same way their history the same

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way their relationships the same way who they are in Christ,

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their identity, they don't see any of that the same way. And I

438
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.760
haven't figured out yet that I haven't spent time sitting down.

439
00:31:16.760 --> 00:31:19.560
Actually, I have a worksheet here to kind of write out what

440
00:31:19.560 --> 00:31:23.480
that sounds like. And I actually Michael, where remember I kind

441
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:24.360
of outlined?

442
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.480
Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Like, I would say next

443
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:31.360
step would be design the product or thing that you thinking of

444
00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:35.240
doing on paper, because just the act of writing it down and

445
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.840
putting it in a document or something, you'll get so much

446
00:31:37.840 --> 00:31:44.000
clarity in a few hours if this is like viable or not. And if

447
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.560
you ever talk to anybody about it, you can actually say, Hey,

448
00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:50.680
on week one, I'm thinking this week two, we're gonna do that

449
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:55.160
week three, we're gonna do this. It is hard, especially if you're

450
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.920
just doing stuff live and just getting on coaching. I think you

451
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:01.040
want to definitely take people through like a nice progression

452
00:32:01.080 --> 00:32:04.520
of things. And having it well thought out and putting it on

453
00:32:04.520 --> 00:32:08.240
paper, it is painful. It's taken me many years to get that habit

454
00:32:08.280 --> 00:32:11.960
down. But I do try to return to that if I do have an idea,

455
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.120
because I it's all in my head. And it sounds amazing. Like, and

456
00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:17.760
maybe part of the reason, like I heard someone else say this,

457
00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:20.160
that maybe the reason we don't necessarily want to put on paper

458
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.160
is because if we do, and we look at it on a piece of paper, and

459
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.560
it doesn't look that good, then like, right now, like the

460
00:32:25.560 --> 00:32:29.840
fantasy in my head is so much more exciting than like, maybe

461
00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:32.080
if I put it down. And I'm not saying that's the truth here.

462
00:32:32.120 --> 00:32:35.640
I'm just actually have it. I forgot. I actually wrote it

463
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.560
down. Yeah, I'm just saying for me, like I have a dream of like,

464
00:32:38.560 --> 00:32:41.520
Oh, one day, we're gonna have this tool or this app or this

465
00:32:41.520 --> 00:32:44.800
whatever. And then, but actually like testing it, putting it

466
00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:48.200
down is a great way to make it more real.

467
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.800
I was just hollering, Michael, where is that? Where's, where's

468
00:32:52.800 --> 00:32:56.880
the thing I wrote down with all the like, here's what I do.

469
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.880
Here's, here's what they experience. Here's what they

470
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:04.800
become. Oh, you're right here. Where is it that I wrote out

471
00:33:04.800 --> 00:33:09.600
that, that outline? And remember, you were then put it

472
00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:14.080
in a list of day one, day two, or week one, week two, week

473
00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:17.720
three. Remember, we were writing that out. Do you? Can you post

474
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.120
that? Can you just throw it in the chat? Do you have possession

475
00:33:20.120 --> 00:33:20.640
of that?

476
00:33:23.040 --> 00:33:25.920
That outline, Hilary, will be probably the thing like if

477
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.560
you're going to do the model that Bruce just said, like, hey,

478
00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:32.320
everyone who's a part of the Taste and See Freedom group,

479
00:33:32.320 --> 00:33:34.360
everyone who's been part of a challenge, like, join me on

480
00:33:34.360 --> 00:33:38.400
Tuesday, I'm going live and then you're going to show them where

481
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.920
you're about to take them in this intensive, like, hey, week

482
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.360
one, we're talking about this and take your time explaining

483
00:33:43.360 --> 00:33:45.480
like, I kind of did that with the roadmap. I don't know if you

484
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.320
heard me. I heard a little bit workshop, but you know, just

485
00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:50.640
saying like, hey, this is what it is like week one, we're doing

486
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.440
this week two, we're doing this week four, we're doing this, etc

487
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:53.960
etc.

488
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:58.320
I'll drop the link here, just you can do this afterwards. But

489
00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:02.640
with Lindsay, like re-recorded the roadmap offer video, it's

490
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.360
like 23 minutes long, but like you could steal everything in

491
00:34:06.360 --> 00:34:08.120
that entire presentation in that page.

492
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.080
And the reason it's good to show people where you're taking them

493
00:34:13.080 --> 00:34:15.679
because then they can kind of begin to identify, hey, like I

494
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.520
really need that, or I need really want that, or I really

495
00:34:18.520 --> 00:34:20.920
want to learn more about that. This is great. So you're just

496
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.000
showing them where you're taking them, then you have an outline

497
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.719
as well. Because what happens if you don't have a roadmap like

498
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:28.080
And maybe this has happened in past groups is you kind of have

499
00:34:28.080 --> 00:34:31.840
to cater to where they're at, right? The questions versus like

500
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.520
hey, week two, this is where we're talking about like stay on

501
00:34:34.520 --> 00:34:38.880
topic, this is what we're doing versus like, you know, letting

502
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.280
the group kind of dictate like what the week is going to be

503
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.880
about. And so because it sounds to me like you're really wanting

504
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.760
it. It's no longer talking about the woundedness, it's about this

505
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.400
is how we live healed. So this intention is to kind of like

506
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.040
how we live healed. So this intensive is all about this is

507
00:34:57.040 --> 00:34:59.640
how we practice and walk out the healing.

508
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.840
And that's, you know, that it kind of we're kind of past

509
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.600
talking about, like, the woundedness, now it's time to

510
00:35:05.600 --> 00:35:09.760
like, live healed, so that after 90 days of this, what being with

511
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:14.520
us intensive, intensely, you're going to be able to walk free,

512
00:35:15.160 --> 00:35:17.840
like on your own, basically, and not have to like, ever go back

513
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:18.760
to the woundedness.

514
00:35:19.120 --> 00:35:22.720
Why actually, Jesus will have hand painted your wings, it is a

515
00:35:22.720 --> 00:35:28.560
chrysalis, a butterfly event. And so, and actually, that's

516
00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:31.720
really how everything I do, we do introduce that there is a

517
00:35:31.720 --> 00:35:35.240
problem, we do acknowledge the deep painfulness, and we do have

518
00:35:35.240 --> 00:35:39.200
times of sharing. But for the most part, it's all about, like,

519
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.400
what makes me the perfect partner to this mess, you know,

520
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:50.280
what, and, and, and what has Jesus provided to heal me. And

521
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.920
that's, that's just where we go, we deal with answers. So I mean,

522
00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:00.040
I think that's why the people love it so much. And, but I'm

523
00:36:00.040 --> 00:36:04.800
looking for like, I don't know, I just see like, hunger, I see

524
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.760
people coming in with a hunger, and there's an energy and an

525
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.240
excitement. And it's not just me maintaining week after week,

526
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.800
even though it's really awesome. I mean, every time I finished,

527
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.400
it's awesome. You know, everything I do, I'm like, I get

528
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.120
to do this. This is awesome. But, but then, you know, on the

529
00:36:22.120 --> 00:36:25.880
off times, I'm like, this is too heavy. You know, like,

530
00:36:26.680 --> 00:36:29.080
yeah, and it might be because it's like, you're having to

531
00:36:29.080 --> 00:36:32.760
build as you go, versus like, coming to a point of like, it's

532
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.880
built, and we're gonna like live in what's been built. So that's

533
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.800
like the modules, that's like the week one to week 12, kind of

534
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.400
outline. And so you're, because it is exhausting to build as you

535
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.320
go. There's always going to be a little bit of an element of

536
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.440
that, because you're going to be learning, you're going to be

537
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.400
getting feedback, and you're going to know how to do it

538
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:54.120
better next time. But to have that structure in place, is

539
00:36:54.120 --> 00:36:56.600
going to take a load off of you that you might not even realize

540
00:36:56.600 --> 00:36:59.720
that you're carrying. Yeah. And there might be people that have

541
00:36:59.720 --> 00:37:02.400
been following you and been engaging in other challenges and

542
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.720
stuff that are ready to take that next step, but they're not

543
00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:08.080
as they might not even be as engaged and kind of the and for

544
00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:11.000
lack of a better term, I'm using this like the lower tier lower

545
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.960
level stuff. But you might not even know that they're there

546
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.960
because they might just have backed off, waiting for

547
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.560
something like what you're about to offer. Yeah, that's a

548
00:37:20.560 --> 00:37:23.520
good point. I would say as well, like, typically, this is true of

549
00:37:23.520 --> 00:37:27.680
all entrepreneurs stuff. Like if you're feeling that worn out,

550
00:37:27.720 --> 00:37:30.480
like, I don't have enough bandwidth to keep it going. It's

551
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.560
not sustainable. Like, just look at where your time's being

552
00:37:33.560 --> 00:37:36.680
spent, because most of the time, then this may be the case may

553
00:37:36.680 --> 00:37:39.800
not be the case, you're spending a lot of time to the people who

554
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.920
aren't actually giving you money. So they're not as

555
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.840
invested as you are, like you're investing a lot of time, but

556
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.640
they're not reciprocating with investing money to compensate

557
00:37:49.640 --> 00:37:53.200
you for that time. So it's just a good way to look at the

558
00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:56.680
overall, kind of what you're focusing on, where it's been and

559
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.920
the stuff that people aren't paying you for, like, you can

560
00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:01.680
just stop and you don't even have to tell them you're

561
00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:05.600
stopping. Like, honestly, like, it's not even worth the phone

562
00:38:05.600 --> 00:38:08.120
call to like, it's not even worth an email. I mean, you can

563
00:38:08.120 --> 00:38:10.760
do that if you want to be nice, but like, that's a lot of

564
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.840
entrepreneurs get like, it's they have like, anyway, that's

565
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:16.520
that's like a different thing. But you can like an extreme

566
00:38:16.520 --> 00:38:18.680
example is like the entrepreneurs that feel like

567
00:38:18.680 --> 00:38:21.120
they have to like, keep up their Twitter feed, because they've

568
00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:23.480
been keeping up their Twitter feed every day, multiple times

569
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.200
a day for the last three years. And they feel like they have to

570
00:38:26.200 --> 00:38:28.480
like, they feel like they have to like, get on and like,

571
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.880
apologize to people when they like, take a break. And it's

572
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.680
like, dude, like, this is no one's paying you for this

573
00:38:33.720 --> 00:38:36.680
helpful, good, good info. But like, you don't owe us an

574
00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:41.560
explanation. No, just stop doing it. And just focus on those

575
00:38:41.560 --> 00:38:45.000
things that are revenue producing. Because it's just a

576
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.280
funny thing. Like money doesn't fix all problems, but it fixes

577
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.120
most of problems in a business. And I would say that rather than

578
00:38:52.120 --> 00:38:56.200
money, just sales, right? If you had 200 people jump into your

579
00:38:56.200 --> 00:38:59.280
intensive, like, it's a different feeling going to work

580
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.120
every Monday, but you're like, cool, this is sustainable. We

581
00:39:02.120 --> 00:39:05.400
can make money like because with money, you can hire admin, you

582
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.240
can hire people to help coach you,

583
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.960
you can pay for like software needs that you have to like

584
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.520
manage customer service.

585
00:39:11.600 --> 00:39:13.800
Exactly. So it's when you're trying to, and we were helping

586
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.440
an entrepreneur this morning with this, and they're working

587
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:20.880
with a lot of ministries. And they're literally selling like

588
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.160
for stupidly cheap amounts, because they had like a heart is

589
00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:27.160
it all good intention, like they're trying to sell, like

590
00:39:27.240 --> 00:39:30.680
different things for so so so cheap. And I was like, because

591
00:39:30.680 --> 00:39:34.000
been there in an effort to serve them. But there's different ways

592
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:38.120
to serve people in your who. And so it's not always just make it

593
00:39:38.120 --> 00:39:40.840
cheaper, make it cheaper, it's actually giving them like better

594
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:44.720
value and give them better results to where the value makes

595
00:39:44.720 --> 00:39:45.760
sense. So anyway,

596
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.680
we've been definitely seeing that and even lately, just

597
00:39:48.680 --> 00:39:53.160
investing more in ourselves more into systems more into, you

598
00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:56.160
know, I mean, we, we, we can't charge what we're doing, we

599
00:39:56.160 --> 00:39:58.920
can't provide what we're doing. And, you know, the Lord's been

600
00:39:58.920 --> 00:39:59.800
really talking

601
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.920
to me about the transaction.

602
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.800
Everything he does is a transaction, that's authority.

603
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:10.000
And so to the degree that, and, you know,

604
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:11.760
as he's proven in the past, he'll tell me price.

605
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.740
I wanted to show you guys just real quickly

606
00:40:13.740 --> 00:40:14.800
what Michael's done.

607
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.460
Can I share my screen with your tribe site so far?

608
00:40:18.460 --> 00:40:19.300
I mean, just-

609
00:40:19.300 --> 00:40:21.240
I put that thing in the notes.

610
00:40:21.240 --> 00:40:22.080
Oh.

611
00:40:22.080 --> 00:40:23.700
Yeah, if you want to drop a link, I'll check.

612
00:40:23.700 --> 00:40:25.000
I definitely want to check it out.

613
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:26.160
And I did want to see,

614
00:40:26.160 --> 00:40:28.200
I know we spent a bit of time with Hillary

615
00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:29.960
because she's waited a few weeks to talk.

616
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:30.800
Oh, sorry.

617
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:31.640
But you're fine.

618
00:40:31.640 --> 00:40:33.160
I just want to make sure no one else was waiting

619
00:40:33.160 --> 00:40:34.160
with the question.

620
00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:37.000
We can come back, Hillary, if you want to hang out a second.

621
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.440
Okay.

622
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:39.760
Did anyone else have anything?

623
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.200
I didn't really see any hands and we didn't have,

624
00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:44.640
I think Lee and Brendan had questions on their Facebook ads

625
00:40:44.640 --> 00:40:47.520
but they're going to be on a different session.

626
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:49.320
It's good.

627
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:50.360
Everybody's happy.

628
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:51.200
Hopefully we're sharing-

629
00:40:51.200 --> 00:40:52.020
Amy, are you good?

630
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:55.640
She's good.

631
00:40:55.640 --> 00:40:57.620
I know that you had some Facebook ad stuff.

632
00:40:58.040 --> 00:41:00.020
I just wanted to make sure.

633
00:41:00.020 --> 00:41:01.740
Well, I'm working on it.

634
00:41:01.740 --> 00:41:04.020
I do have my ad account going.

635
00:41:04.020 --> 00:41:08.600
And anyway, like I've been working through it

636
00:41:08.600 --> 00:41:10.680
like over days, just really taking my time

637
00:41:10.680 --> 00:41:13.340
through the masterclass.

638
00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:15.920
So I think I'm getting it.

639
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.420
I finally just got my equipment like where I needed it.

640
00:41:20.420 --> 00:41:23.980
I mean, like I'm so ready to learn my computer

641
00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:24.960
and have a computer

642
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.140
because I know it's going to really help me.

643
00:41:27.220 --> 00:41:30.100
So anyway, but I'm good.

644
00:41:30.100 --> 00:41:32.340
I'm kind of laying low this week.

645
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:33.420
My family's on the way.

646
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:38.420
So I'm just kind of chilling, but taking it as it comes.

647
00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:40.220
Okay.

648
00:41:40.220 --> 00:41:42.620
As long as you're not freaking out, let us know.

649
00:41:42.620 --> 00:41:44.380
Yeah, I will.

650
00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:46.100
Post in the group, tag us.

651
00:41:46.100 --> 00:41:47.460
You know, you can take a screenshot and be like,

652
00:41:47.460 --> 00:41:48.700
hey, I'm stuck on the screen.

653
00:41:48.700 --> 00:41:50.300
Like, what do I do next?

654
00:41:50.300 --> 00:41:51.340
Okay.

655
00:41:51.340 --> 00:41:53.180
I probably will do that.

656
00:41:53.180 --> 00:41:54.020
Thanks.

657
00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:57.060
Okay.

658
00:41:57.900 --> 00:41:58.800
Hilary, we're back to you.

659
00:42:01.660 --> 00:42:02.500
Okay.

660
00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:05.660
So I'll just like quickly just share this

661
00:42:05.660 --> 00:42:07.200
and then I'll show you the,

662
00:42:10.420 --> 00:42:15.420
so this is just the tribe, how he's done.

663
00:42:15.540 --> 00:42:17.540
So then he made everything like, you know,

664
00:42:17.540 --> 00:42:21.020
just all of the, you know, the videos

665
00:42:21.020 --> 00:42:23.420
and then it would be based on,

666
00:42:23.420 --> 00:42:28.420
so I didn't know if it's, if you have to do it where we,

667
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:32.980
we still have to learn like how to categorize everything

668
00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:36.620
so that you only see what you've paid for, you know,

669
00:42:36.620 --> 00:42:40.260
the level that you've paid for or is everything here.

670
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:43.860
And then they, right now, if they touch on it,

671
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:45.620
then it says you're not authorized.

672
00:42:45.620 --> 00:42:49.580
You know, we haven't, we've invited nobody to this space yet

673
00:42:49.580 --> 00:42:50.900
but we're going to put the store on here.

674
00:42:50.900 --> 00:42:53.340
We're going to put how to schedule appointments on here.

675
00:42:54.140 --> 00:42:56.240
We're going to put the different tiers on here.

676
00:42:57.660 --> 00:42:58.500
That's awesome.

677
00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:00.740
That looks, this looks great.

678
00:43:00.740 --> 00:43:03.660
I think I saw it a few months ago, so it's definitely.

679
00:43:03.660 --> 00:43:04.500
Way better.

680
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:05.340
Yeah.

681
00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:06.160
Yeah.

682
00:43:06.160 --> 00:43:08.900
I was going to like for tribe, this is for you guys.

683
00:43:08.900 --> 00:43:11.020
Like, then I'll just do this

684
00:43:11.020 --> 00:43:12.300
and you guys can come back to this.

685
00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:13.820
This needs to be a diagram on our website.

686
00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:14.660
I don't know why it's not,

687
00:43:14.660 --> 00:43:18.020
but you basically have like concentric circles

688
00:43:18.020 --> 00:43:21.060
of these different accounts levels.

689
00:43:21.060 --> 00:43:22.620
And so there's basic.

690
00:43:22.620 --> 00:43:26.100
And then down in the middle is like what we call premium.

691
00:43:26.100 --> 00:43:29.740
So again, a great example is like for kingdom messengers.

692
00:43:29.740 --> 00:43:33.820
Like we have like free, like YouTube stuff is just public.

693
00:43:33.820 --> 00:43:35.300
We have it on the site.

694
00:43:35.300 --> 00:43:37.740
Free is like we're doing, we're doing a challenge.

695
00:43:37.740 --> 00:43:38.860
People are in free.

696
00:43:38.860 --> 00:43:43.600
And then people, this is like the $77 lifetime access.

697
00:43:43.600 --> 00:43:44.440
People get basic.

698
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.060
And then premium is you guys, KMM.

699
00:43:47.060 --> 00:43:49.620
So kingdom messenger members, you guys have everything.

700
00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:51.620
And you can see how it's concentric circles

701
00:43:51.620 --> 00:43:54.180
because as members, if you went to tribe,

702
00:43:54.180 --> 00:43:56.180
you would see all the premium member stuff,

703
00:43:56.180 --> 00:43:59.220
but you'd also see basic and you'd also see the free

704
00:43:59.220 --> 00:44:00.460
and you'd also see all the public.

705
00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:02.380
So it's, you're kind of,

706
00:44:02.380 --> 00:44:05.220
you get to see everything that way.

707
00:44:05.220 --> 00:44:08.680
So I don't know if that helps make sense,

708
00:44:08.680 --> 00:44:12.660
but there's just those three levels, basic, oops,

709
00:44:12.660 --> 00:44:16.200
sorry, public, free, basic, premium.

710
00:44:16.200 --> 00:44:17.820
I think what you probably have is a lot of stuff

711
00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:19.300
that's set to free right now.

712
00:44:20.540 --> 00:44:22.540
And so at every level where you're going

713
00:44:22.540 --> 00:44:25.780
like from public to free,

714
00:44:25.780 --> 00:44:27.860
free just means that you create a free account.

715
00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:29.300
When you go from free to basic.

716
00:44:29.300 --> 00:44:30.860
Oh, gotcha, okay.

717
00:44:30.860 --> 00:44:32.060
It asks you to upgrade.

718
00:44:32.060 --> 00:44:33.460
And when you go from basic to premium.

719
00:44:33.460 --> 00:44:37.980
So I would do like your 90 day group is like your premium.

720
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:40.240
And then everybody else maybe in the intensive

721
00:44:40.240 --> 00:44:43.340
is like a basic and that should be enough for now.

722
00:44:43.340 --> 00:44:46.860
Like all, you know, and then everything else,

723
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:49.020
it's just like free resources.

724
00:44:49.020 --> 00:44:50.860
You can just make it public.

725
00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:52.220
The only difference between public and free

726
00:44:52.220 --> 00:44:54.060
is that you have to have an account.

727
00:44:54.060 --> 00:44:57.940
Like you basically get their email address to access it.

728
00:44:57.940 --> 00:45:00.060
Okay, so when people book.

729
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:08.480
me for appointments or packages or engagements. Do I put that in public or do I want them to

730
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.360
register for that? Or I mean, they'll have to register to book me.

731
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:19.600
Yeah, so for like, Suzy asked, where's the roadmap? Very good question. Because it isn't on here.

732
00:45:21.600 --> 00:45:26.480
Because it is technically a premium, but we also have hot seats on there. So like this

733
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:30.960
open coaching, so it doesn't quite fit. Yeah, we basically need one between basic and premium.

734
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:38.160
So yeah, if someone's doing a coaching call, I would just say, that's to me is a link

735
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.680
on your top navigation that just says book a coaching call and it takes them to a funnel

736
00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:48.720
and then they can pay for that, book it. I don't really know if it touches tribe.

737
00:45:49.200 --> 00:45:56.880
How were you thinking it would connect to tribe?

738
00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:04.080
Well, that's what I was wondering was, I wanted to be able to have across the top, what did

739
00:46:04.080 --> 00:46:09.440
you call those things across the top? The navigation. Navigation, that makes so much sense.

740
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.040
Yeah, they're called links. Like if you're in tribe and you go to the sidebar, there's like a links

741
00:46:15.040 --> 00:46:18.240
option and that's just the top there. So you could just say like coaching.

742
00:46:20.080 --> 00:46:20.880
Yeah, like about.

743
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.800
I have it all built out like that already, Bruce, where the top links are social media,

744
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:34.000
the bottom links, the bottom go to funnels, the bottom square is the edge, they go to funnels.

745
00:46:36.640 --> 00:46:37.440
Yeah, you can do that.

746
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.080
I'd rather have it right across the top where they just know easily how to navigate.

747
00:46:45.040 --> 00:46:49.520
You can do it in both, like have it at the top here and then also like Michael saying,

748
00:46:49.520 --> 00:46:53.520
he has it as an ad, that's awesome too. Just put it in multiple places.

749
00:46:55.520 --> 00:47:01.680
Because yeah, you want to make it really obvious. But you can technically create like a group in

750
00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:06.720
here and that's where we are doing the roadmap. So we technically have a group in roadmap

751
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:13.040
and that's where we're loading it. We're going to load in some stuff. We're not quite using the

752
00:47:13.040 --> 00:47:17.600
groups for Kingdom Messengers just yet because I'm really picky and I want there to be some more

753
00:47:17.600 --> 00:47:21.280
features, but we are going to be using it probably in the beginning of next year.

754
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.440
So can people meet in here?

755
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:24.500
No.

756
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:32.960
Okay. You just access your stuff and then if I'm broadcasting, can I broadcast into here

757
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:40.240
or I just upload after? Yes, I would upload after is the easiest way, but you can technically stream

758
00:47:40.240 --> 00:47:45.680
from Zoom to YouTube and then YouTube can be embedded into Tribe. So you could technically

759
00:47:45.680 --> 00:47:54.160
have it live. Yeah, there will be some better Zoom integration like for streaming basically

760
00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:58.960
straight into Tribe at some point, hopefully in the next month or so, but that's something

761
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:08.320
we're working on. Okay. And then yeah, Michael found the, you know, sort of what we had written

762
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:16.960
out for what your bonus and... I set up two groups. So those you take the videos after and

763
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.400
store them there. People will re-watch it. That way that's all basically proof.

764
00:48:23.120 --> 00:48:30.080
Yeah, you can do that as a group or you can have it, you just put, yeah, put it in as content

765
00:48:30.080 --> 00:48:35.920
group. Group is fine. If you put content in a group, it's not accessible anywhere on the home

766
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:40.320
page. It's just basically as a way to hide it somewhere. So.

767
00:48:44.560 --> 00:48:53.440
Okay. Yeah. He has the 12 week, like week and the bonus stack, but he doesn't have

768
00:48:53.440 --> 00:49:00.320
like what I wrote down or, you know, the outline of the purpose, what I bring and what the

769
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.560
deliverables are. That's that just, this is just a bonus stack and the week, what we do each week.

770
00:49:06.560 --> 00:49:13.920
So. Okay. If you want to share any of that, you can always drop it into the membership group

771
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:18.000
and tag us and we can review it too and give feedback if you're, if you're wanting feedback

772
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:25.360
on that. I totally love you guys. No, no. I mean, because even everything you're saying,

773
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.800
and I, I, sometimes I feel like you're probably talking to my children because I'm like, I don't

774
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.480
see it. I don't see it. You know what you're saying sometimes that I'm saying, but, but,

775
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:43.600
but, and I know that it's because that's all I can see right now. Yeah. It's a lot of internal

776
00:49:43.600 --> 00:49:47.440
processing that needs to like come out. So there's probably going to be a couple of different

777
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.640
iterations of this until you feel like it's solid. It doesn't mean that, you know, again,

778
00:49:52.640 --> 00:49:57.200
the entrepreneurial life, there is a lot of quick start to what we're doing,

779
00:49:57.200 --> 00:49:59.840
but it sounds like you really have even just a heart vision for.

780
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.560
Like this has to be solid ground that we're walking into,

781
00:50:02.560 --> 00:50:03.780
cause it's going to be an intent.

782
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:05.800
It's going to be different than anything we've done in the past.

783
00:50:06.640 --> 00:50:08.280
So that's okay.

784
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.640
Like you have to process it kind of over and over again, and you don't

785
00:50:10.640 --> 00:50:12.360
need to feel any kind of condemnation.

786
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:14.160
And it's not that it's not done yet.

787
00:50:15.200 --> 00:50:17.520
That you're on the journey to done this right now.

788
00:50:18.080 --> 00:50:23.440
Yeah, because I mean, there's also, we want to culminate with a retreat, you

789
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:29.560
know, we really want to make this humongously significant and special

790
00:50:29.560 --> 00:50:35.520
and celebratory, and I feel like, I almost feel like part of me is still

791
00:50:35.520 --> 00:50:41.720
becoming what I need to offer, but at the same time, I want to do it now.

792
00:50:43.600 --> 00:50:45.080
Yeah, that's the tension.

793
00:50:45.080 --> 00:50:48.080
It's the, it's the tension we live with, with the now and the not yet.

794
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:50.360
It's a prophetic thing too, right?

795
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.880
Cause we can see it, but we're not living in it yet.

796
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:54.760
And there can be tension sometimes in that.

797
00:50:55.120 --> 00:50:57.200
So it's what we do in the tension that really matters.

798
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:02.560
How we treat ourselves, how we treat the process, how we partner with

799
00:51:02.560 --> 00:51:04.320
the Lord in it is what really matters.

800
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.680
Not so much getting to the destination, which we will get to.

801
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.200
It's the becoming.

802
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.840
And then in the becoming, there isn't really a work to do.

803
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.040
It's a fruit to bear.

804
00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:19.240
And like, that's what I see.

805
00:51:19.240 --> 00:51:21.640
I see the work as you know, the chrysalis.

806
00:51:21.640 --> 00:51:26.880
That's why I kind of want to invite them into what it takes to live

807
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.240
this life and how worth it is.

808
00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:34.400
Like, you're not going to be the same person on the other side.

809
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:35.520
It makes me want to cry.

810
00:51:35.520 --> 00:51:40.880
Like what, what, you know, God is, God is doing that in, in

811
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.400
what we do in a small way.

812
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:48.320
And it, it blows my mind, you know, and to think that I first, I told him, no,

813
00:51:49.160 --> 00:51:51.440
like, no, I don't want to deal with these people.

814
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:52.920
I don't want to deal with this ugly mess.

815
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:57.080
I don't want, you know, and he just said, is the, is the breakthrough

816
00:51:57.080 --> 00:52:03.160
that I brought to you, not also for others through you, that just broke my heart.

817
00:52:03.240 --> 00:52:05.360
And so I lived that.

818
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.440
And then now I see it in everyone.

819
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:08.880
I see it in every client.

820
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:10.760
I'm like, oh, this is easy.

821
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.800
You're actually becoming that vision that you carry.

822
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:16.520
So relax.

823
00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:20.160
Cause yes, some work to do, but it's finished.

824
00:52:20.160 --> 00:52:20.840
You know, just like,

825
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:24.040
I'm excited for you guys.

826
00:52:24.040 --> 00:52:30.520
I really am like, this is the, this is the, there's a lot of seed planting.

827
00:52:30.560 --> 00:52:34.160
There's a lot of heavy lifting in this part, but then you get to live it.

828
00:52:34.160 --> 00:52:34.560
Right.

829
00:52:34.640 --> 00:52:41.080
So, um, it's the tension of the now and the not yet, but feel free to share your

830
00:52:41.080 --> 00:52:42.520
stuff with us because we're happy.

831
00:52:42.520 --> 00:52:44.000
And anyone, anyone who's on here.

832
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:44.600
Hey, Michael.

833
00:52:44.600 --> 00:52:45.280
Anyone who's on here.

834
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.640
Who's thinking like, Hey, this might be something that I'm wanting to do

835
00:52:47.640 --> 00:52:53.200
someday, as far as like build into a membership or an intensive bringing

836
00:52:53.200 --> 00:52:57.320
people through a particular transformation process, giving them a certain deliverable.

837
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:58.880
Like, tell us what you're thinking.

838
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.000
We're happy to like give feedback as we can.

839
00:53:01.520 --> 00:53:01.840
Yeah.

840
00:53:02.080 --> 00:53:09.360
I'll just say as well, like, um, we have found, so I think what you have to really

841
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.600
find, I feel like you have to package up and really do a good job of explaining

842
00:53:13.600 --> 00:53:17.360
when you're trying to do breakthrough with people or help move them downfield

843
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:23.080
in a personal freedom or breakthrough in the Lord, it's so abstract

844
00:53:23.080 --> 00:53:24.480
and it's hard to measure.

845
00:53:24.640 --> 00:53:24.960
Right.

846
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:29.080
So like, I feel like we have it a little easier in a kingdom messengers

847
00:53:29.080 --> 00:53:31.560
because our deliverable is, Hey, we want to get you to, you know, a

848
00:53:31.560 --> 00:53:33.920
thousand or more people following you.

849
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:36.760
Like we can look at the numbers and be like, did you reach it or not?

850
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:37.800
Like, it's pretty easy.

851
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:39.680
Here's a bunch of strategies of how to get there.

852
00:53:39.680 --> 00:53:40.840
We can measure when we arrive.

853
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:46.240
But we don't have it as easy as someone who's doing like a business opportunity.

854
00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:50.680
Who's saying like, Hey, give us $3,000 and you could potentially be making

855
00:53:50.680 --> 00:53:52.720
money each month that would pay this off.

856
00:53:52.720 --> 00:53:52.960
Right.

857
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.200
That that's like a no brainer.

858
00:53:54.600 --> 00:54:00.440
Um, but cause our, we're not promising income that's going to pay for the course.

859
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.240
It, we're just promising influence.

860
00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:06.840
Um, but I think when you're, when you're trying to get breakthrough for people,

861
00:54:07.240 --> 00:54:11.920
it's, it is also very, um, uh, it's very dependent obviously on that

862
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.760
person's investment, um, to the process.

863
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.400
And so that's where the, I think people pay for stuff like, um, you know, a

864
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:23.000
physical, uh, like a fitness coach or something, because they don't have the

865
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.520
discipline to go to the gym and show up and do the work.

866
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.880
Um, and so that's where I kind of see that what you're doing is sort

867
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:34.720
of helping people hold them accountable to, to reach that thing.

868
00:54:35.160 --> 00:54:38.760
And, um, that's why the payment is necessary.

869
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.160
Right.

870
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.760
It's not because you're taking like, like we can all get this.

871
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:44.000
It's all free in Christ.

872
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:44.320
Right.

873
00:54:44.640 --> 00:54:47.160
But people like, don't have that.

874
00:54:47.160 --> 00:54:50.680
Like we can all go for a run right now and be healthier, but like no one does

875
00:54:50.720 --> 00:54:54.480
they, so they need like someone to kind of come alongside and say, okay, let's

876
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:55.760
put your shoes on, let's go.

877
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:56.760
We're going to do two miles.

878
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:57.080
Okay.

879
00:54:57.080 --> 00:54:57.600
Off we go.

880
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.000
Like, and off we go kind of coach.

881
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:06.000
through it. So I'll say that we haven't sold that kind of membership yet. I know a lot of people

882
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:11.840
are and doing it successfully. So that's the only like comment I'll say about that.

883
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.840
That's the only disclaimer as far as our experience.

884
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:22.080
You know, we haven't done that kind of inner work personal breakthrough model,

885
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.000
but we know the structure, we know people who are doing it, and there is that

886
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:35.040
mutual investment that has to take place. Because people value it differently when they've invested,

887
00:55:35.040 --> 00:55:39.520
you know, the money just represents their time, their work, it represents something from their

888
00:55:39.520 --> 00:55:46.640
life, that when they make that exchange, they're more aware, awake, and ready than if it's just

889
00:55:46.640 --> 00:55:49.120
like, well, I'm just going to show up for I'm just gonna, you know, let me in for free. And

890
00:55:49.120 --> 00:55:54.240
then like, maybe I'll show up, maybe I won't. So just it's just a different level. Yeah,

891
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:59.760
yeah, that's what we're sensing. Yeah, that's the workshop paid as well.

892
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:03.600
Won't be able to show up and yeah, because, you know,

893
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:10.400
yeah, I have a question to that point, right? I'm in that space as well, as you know, and

894
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:15.360
kind of been struggling with all the things to keep up and running and get going. And

895
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.400
what is your opinion on, you know, guarantees? I know everybody likes money back guarantee,

896
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:27.680
but a money back guarantee is basically I'll try it. And if I don't put in the work, okay,

897
00:56:27.680 --> 00:56:33.760
I'll pull the money back currently, right? And on personal coaching, give them a results guarantee

898
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:40.640
is extremely difficult, right? How you can measure that, right? So what is your thought on that? I

899
00:56:40.640 --> 00:56:44.320
have some idea, but I don't want to throw it in, I would like rather to learn from you.

900
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.040
And maybe then share what I thought and hear your opinion on that, if that's okay.

901
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:54.880
Yeah, I think you're going to be really careful, especially when you're starting out, because

902
00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:01.520
like cashflow is a big problem. So if you take, if 10 people each give you $2,000,

903
00:57:02.640 --> 00:57:08.480
and you take that and you work for nine or for three, like 90 days with that group or three

904
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.800
months, like that's probably gone into the business somewhere and being used for other

905
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.040
things in the business. You have to be careful because you can't have someone come back on day

906
00:57:17.040 --> 00:57:22.160
89 and say, you know what, actually I want this back and off you go. So typically like,

907
00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:28.880
you definitely want to be careful. I typically do a guarantee when people know us the least.

908
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:34.400
So we do like a hundred percent money back guarantee for whatever reason on the workshop,

909
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:39.840
right? It's $37 or 77 if they jump in. Like no questions asked is what you mean.

910
00:57:40.640 --> 00:57:44.080
You know, and what we may can show you guys some of the behind the scenes, but we had someone who

911
00:57:44.080 --> 00:57:49.680
just came in and was like, they're just making some like off comments about how we were doing

912
00:57:49.680 --> 00:57:54.320
stuff and how like they felt like we were charging for the word of God. And so we're like, we didn't

913
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.720
even entertain that thing. We just said, Hey, by the way, we've refunded you. So, you know,

914
00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:03.040
God bless you like on your way, like done. And we just removed her from everything and they were

915
00:58:03.040 --> 00:58:09.680
gone. And so we just, we're very quick to refund that and get that person off. So when they know

916
00:58:09.680 --> 00:58:15.040
us the least we're taking the highest risk, like, right. Cause we could have a hundred people pay

917
00:58:15.040 --> 00:58:19.280
and then all want their money back. Right. It's we're taking all the risks because we know this

918
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:27.920
thing, this workshop for $37 is crazy value. And so, so that, but then once you get to know,

919
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.680
I think there is, you know, there's some different views. Like the personal coach thing is you can

920
00:58:31.680 --> 00:58:36.480
actually make it a feature to say, Hey, I'm actually not doing a guarantee because I want

921
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:43.760
you to be all in. Right. Or I've seen other people charge like $3,000 with a guarantee,

922
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:49.280
but you can get it for $2,000 and there's no money back guarantee. Right. Save some money,

923
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:54.160
but you're taking on that risk yourself. Yeah. I don't know if that helps.

924
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:58.880
Yeah. That helps a lot. That's a good point. Right. And I thought about that too. And maybe,

925
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:03.440
but I didn't want to cut you off, Lindsay, you were just saying something.

926
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:07.600
I was just saying the guarantees that we've offered after they kind of have, so the workshop

927
00:59:07.600 --> 00:59:10.480
is like, no questions asked. Like some people are like, Hey, I thought I was going to be able

928
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.160
to commit this weekend, something, you know, death in the family. Great. No questions asked,

929
00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:19.040
no hassle, just your money back, whatever. And that's because they're taking a pretty high risk.

930
00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:22.720
They don't know us. And we just would like to, you know, kind of do what Jesus would do and take

931
00:59:22.720 --> 00:59:25.600
the risk off of them as much as possible. Then when people get to know us, you'll notice that

932
00:59:25.600 --> 00:59:33.120
our guarantees do have some, um, disclaimers to them. So like the thousand guarantee that we did

933
00:59:33.120 --> 00:59:37.680
back, well, I think we did like a, with the intensive, we did like a 30 day, like you get,

934
00:59:37.680 --> 00:59:43.040
like you get it, you got to, there was conditions, right? That's what, thank you, Hillary. So like

935
00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:47.360
you have a, you can't be with us for 89 days and then be like, I'm out. It's like, you have 30

936
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:50.160
days. And if after a month you're like, Hey, this isn't really what I thought it was going to be.

937
00:59:50.160 --> 00:59:55.040
Like that was what we did with the intensive. Then with this thousand guarantee that we did for the

938
00:59:55.040 --> 00:59:59.760
membership and for the roadmap is we said, if you'd go through every.

939
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.680
module and you don't reach a thousand, then we'll give you back a thousand, but that's

940
01:00:06.680 --> 01:00:08.640
forcing a conversation as well.

941
01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:13.120
Well, and just because like we said, we would, so if you get to 90 days, you've done everything

942
01:00:13.120 --> 01:00:16.560
that we told you to do and you still haven't reached a thousand, then we will get on a

943
01:00:16.560 --> 01:00:20.920
call and like get a one-on-one with you and like figure out what's missing.

944
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.440
If you still can't get it, then we'll do a refund because we really want them to get

945
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:26.440
to a thousand.

946
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:27.440
Right.

947
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.840
Whether the money's in and out, like it's more about, did we help this person like set

948
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:32.840
themselves up for that?

949
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:33.840
That's a good point.

950
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:34.840
Yeah.

951
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:38.840
So, you know, and I think that freedom, okay, well, if it doesn't work out, they'll reach

952
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:42.640
out and you know, we can, we probably will solve it.

953
01:00:42.640 --> 01:00:45.600
And we also are very confident in the system.

954
01:00:45.600 --> 01:00:50.640
Like I know if I went, jumped on and ran like your Facebook ads for three days, I can get

955
01:00:50.640 --> 01:00:55.600
all of you guys into the thousands for a couple, like not a lot of money, definitely less than

956
01:00:55.600 --> 01:00:56.600
a thousand dollars.

957
01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:57.760
Let's put it that way.

958
01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:01.920
So even if, and I was like, you know, my, basically my guarantee of how that would happen

959
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:05.560
is I would even go in and like pay for the Facebook ads, right.

960
01:01:05.560 --> 01:01:09.720
A hundred bucks, 200 bucks on Facebook ads, get them to pass a thousand and be like, there

961
01:01:09.720 --> 01:01:10.720
you go.

962
01:01:10.720 --> 01:01:11.720
Here's your thousand users.

963
01:01:11.720 --> 01:01:13.480
And we would probably do that in like a weekend.

964
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:18.020
The reason we don't do that, like, you know, cause you might be like, it's because we,

965
01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:20.760
what we want you guys to do is to learn how to do it.

966
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.560
So you guys can continue on past a thousand.

967
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.880
That's why we're not like, Hey, pay us as an agency, which we could do.

968
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.120
We used to run an agency, right.

969
01:01:30.120 --> 01:01:33.960
But our heart with kingdom messengers is to build kingdom messengers, not necessarily

970
01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:38.600
like one-time clients or continual clients, even because like we know as a kingdom messenger,

971
01:01:38.600 --> 01:01:44.280
being able to be self-sustaining, learn the tech is going to help you in the long term.

972
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:48.280
But that's where our guarantee kind of comes in is we were able to say, Hey, work that

973
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:49.280
use the system.

974
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:53.160
If the system does not work, if you feel like you're stuck, you, for whatever reason, then

975
01:01:53.160 --> 01:01:56.600
you get the value of a one-on-one coaching call with us.

976
01:01:56.600 --> 01:01:59.320
And if we can't help you solve it, then there's your money back.

977
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:03.640
So you're at least having some touch points in some conditions, no trickery, no, like

978
01:02:03.640 --> 01:02:06.840
we will definitely get the money back, but you're helping, you're still helping them

979
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:12.760
the best you can get to the deliverable that you promised and helping them kind of build

980
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:14.240
that muscle, build that strength.

981
01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:16.920
So that's how we kind of work it with the kingdom messenger group.

982
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:21.800
And we've, even when we've had situations where we haven't done a guarantee and people

983
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:25.840
come in six weeks into a program and they just reach out and they're like, Hey, I just

984
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:28.040
either can't make it financially.

985
01:02:28.040 --> 01:02:29.040
I can't do it.

986
01:02:29.040 --> 01:02:30.040
They're on a payment plan or something.

987
01:02:30.040 --> 01:02:33.920
And we'll just, we'll, we're very gracious just to quickly do a refund, get them stuff

988
01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:37.640
back or say, Hey, you're you're six weeks through a 12 week program.

989
01:02:37.640 --> 01:02:39.600
Like let's just call it half done.

990
01:02:39.600 --> 01:02:41.880
We'll, we'll, you know, we'll, we'll work with people, right?

991
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:44.520
Like we're going to help people out.

992
01:02:44.520 --> 01:02:48.320
And so even if there isn't technically a guarantee on the page that they, you know, we'll still

993
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:51.240
typically go out of our way to make it, make it better.

994
01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:52.680
Yeah.

995
01:02:52.680 --> 01:02:53.680
But there's a relationship that's been built there.

996
01:02:53.680 --> 01:02:54.680
Yeah.

997
01:02:54.680 --> 01:02:55.680
I mean, yeah.

998
01:02:55.680 --> 01:02:56.680
I fully agree.

999
01:02:56.680 --> 01:02:57.680
Right.

1000
01:02:57.680 --> 01:03:02.000
I think that the warranty guarantee stuff is more about on the, on the sales page, right?

1001
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:03.000
People feel more comfortable.

1002
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:06.880
They don't know you yet as good and to kind of maybe a little bit hesitant and, but I

1003
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.280
like the model a lot that you said, right.

1004
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:10.880
If you follow the steps, right.

1005
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:16.200
If you participate in what you do and you don't get results, we get on the call and

1006
01:03:16.200 --> 01:03:21.040
we kind of see how we can, how we can get you the results that you actually wanted it

1007
01:03:21.040 --> 01:03:22.040
from the beginning.

1008
01:03:22.040 --> 01:03:23.040
Right.

1009
01:03:23.040 --> 01:03:27.320
And, and maybe keep extend that or whatever that could be the solution.

1010
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:30.160
And for us, that call is extremely valuable.

1011
01:03:30.160 --> 01:03:33.920
It's worth every minute of my time to get on that call personally, even if Lindsay and

1012
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:38.600
I both get on, because we get to hear directly from someone who's our ideal customer who

1013
01:03:38.600 --> 01:03:42.840
got stuck somewhere in the midst and they met, Oh, well, I watched this video that you

1014
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:43.840
told me to do.

1015
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:44.840
And I went off in this direction.

1016
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:45.840
We're like, Oh no.

1017
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:47.480
We said this, we meant that.

1018
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.840
And now we know there's a problem in our system and you go back and fix that video.

1019
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:55.520
So it's actually worth it because we'll learn and get to know, like figure out what to change

1020
01:03:55.520 --> 01:03:57.520
in the product to make it better for next time.

1021
01:03:57.520 --> 01:03:58.520
Yeah.

1022
01:03:58.520 --> 01:03:59.520
Thank you.

1023
01:03:59.520 --> 01:04:00.520
Thank you.

1024
01:04:00.520 --> 01:04:01.520
It helped me a lot.

1025
01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:02.520
Awesome.

1026
01:04:02.520 --> 01:04:03.520
Appreciate it.

1027
01:04:03.520 --> 01:04:04.520
Can I just say something quick?

1028
01:04:04.520 --> 01:04:05.520
Yeah.

1029
01:04:05.520 --> 01:04:08.680
One, we want to go to the appointment call and you guys have, but the other thing too

1030
01:04:08.680 --> 01:04:14.240
is the more, every time we've gone up on the price, the people who have joined have been

1031
01:04:14.240 --> 01:04:19.280
more engaged and more, you know, they paid more, but they've been more engaged.

1032
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:23.160
They've been, you know, better quality, you know, not that the other ones are bad, but

1033
01:04:23.160 --> 01:04:28.960
just, I mean, just a better customer because they've invested in, they, you know, in their,

1034
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.120
they see it as a value to them, right?

1035
01:04:32.120 --> 01:04:34.380
So that's a good point.

1036
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:38.040
And the only reason that Bruce and I know, like you're more invested when you pay at

1037
01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:40.720
a certain price, cause we've done that in our own personal development.

1038
01:04:40.720 --> 01:04:42.320
So that's the thing.

1039
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.880
We only have authority in certain, like, we're not charging for a hundred thousand

1040
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.520
dollars a day.

1041
01:04:47.520 --> 01:04:50.440
Like some of our mentors are able to do because we've never paid that before.

1042
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:54.360
We don't, we don't have that authority yet, but they do cause they've done that with other

1043
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:55.360
mentors.

1044
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.360
Right.

1045
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:57.920
And they understand the value and they understand the exchange.

1046
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.000
So like, that's, that's.

1047
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.200
I know Hillary and Mike, like you guys have invested a lot into coaching programs.

1048
01:05:03.200 --> 01:05:03.840
Right.

1049
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:08.800
So you can, you have that authority to say, Hey, we've, we've invested up to this amount.

1050
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.720
So now you have authority to ask for up to this amount because you have personally

1051
01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:16.960
invested that kind of money into, um, so that makes it a lot easier.

1052
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:19.680
It's difficult if you've never spent any money on personal development,

1053
01:05:19.680 --> 01:05:22.240
and then you're trying to ask for thousands of dollars.

1054
01:05:22.240 --> 01:05:23.680
You know, it's, it's a difficult thing

1055
01:05:24.240 --> 01:05:27.520
to ask other people to do stuff that you're not even willing to do for yourself.

1056
01:05:27.520 --> 01:05:28.080
Oh, you can.

1057
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:29.780
Yeah.

1058
01:05:30.560 --> 01:05:31.120
Thanks.

1059
01:05:31.120 --> 01:05:32.320
No, that's super good.

1060
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:34.000
We feel the same way too.

1061
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:38.000
Like we feel like there's a next level for us.

1062
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:42.480
And we know that that's going to open the doors for those behind us.

1063
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.720
You know, we just, just what you just said.

1064
01:05:44.720 --> 01:05:48.640
There's an authority that we sense each time, each tier.

1065
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:55.040
So it's just time to bring up what we ask of others for themselves.

1066
01:05:55.040 --> 01:05:58.560
What we invite people into has to come up.

1067
01:05:58.560 --> 01:06:02.320
We really feel like that and we feel like we're ready for it.

1068
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:08.080
It's just the, the kinks, the, you know, the details.

1069
01:06:08.640 --> 01:06:09.520
You got to build it.

1070
01:06:09.520 --> 01:06:10.480
You got to build it.

1071
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:10.880
Right.

1072
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:11.380
Yeah.

1073
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:12.880
It's the building process.

1074
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:14.240
Yeah.

1075
01:06:14.240 --> 01:06:15.200
So good.

1076
01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:15.840
Good.

1077
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:16.960
Well, good to catch up.

1078
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.160
I hope everybody has a good Thanksgiving or if you're not in the U S

1079
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:23.840
we're still thankful for you.

1080
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.480
We will be thinking of you as we have Turkey.

1081
01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:31.840
Awesome guys.

1082
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:36.080
Well, we'll catch up with you guys next Tuesday and we won't be well,

1083
01:06:36.080 --> 01:06:39.200
I'll go ahead and cancel that for Thursday, but yeah,

1084
01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:41.520
have a great rest of your week and great weekend.

1085
01:06:41.520 --> 01:06:42.480
We'll see you Tuesday.

1086
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.040
Thank you.

1087
01:06:43.040 --> 01:06:45.200
Health and wholeness and abundance.

1088
01:06:46.560 --> 01:06:50.000
Happy Thanksgiving guys.