WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.040 Yeah, sure. 2 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:05.520 Yeah, thanks for finding, glad you found us through the We 3 00:00:05.520 --> 00:00:07.360 Work Remotely. 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.600 We had probably 50, 60 applications come in. 5 00:00:10.600 --> 00:00:14.480 We identified like five or six that seemed very promising, 6 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:16.680 and so that's why we wanted to talk with you 7 00:00:16.680 --> 00:00:18.760 and just kind of get to know you a bit. 8 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:20.840 We can definitely talk about some of the projects 9 00:00:20.840 --> 00:00:22.320 we're working on. 10 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:26.440 And yeah, just see if it's a good fit for both of us 11 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:28.920 and go from there. 12 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:30.800 All right, cool. 13 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:35.200 So just to kind of get an intro, I checked out your website, 14 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:37.240 checked out your resume, so I got 15 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:39.400 a good sense of some of the stuff you've been doing. 16 00:00:39.400 --> 00:00:41.440 But just give me kind of a high-level overview 17 00:00:41.440 --> 00:00:44.160 of how you got to be doing what you're doing now, 18 00:00:44.160 --> 00:00:47.920 like what you've been working on recently. 19 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:54.320 Yeah, so I started working as a developer, 20 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:56.520 started with Python, actually. 21 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.080 So I started doing some data visualization 22 00:01:00.080 --> 00:01:05.319 and some calculations with a physics professor. 23 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:11.280 So I did a system for him to visualize some 3D vectors, 24 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.720 the interactive plot, and all that. 25 00:01:14.720 --> 00:01:18.080 It was what I started with, but then I 26 00:01:18.080 --> 00:01:24.600 switched to web development with JavaScript two years later 27 00:01:24.600 --> 00:01:27.240 and have been doing that since. 28 00:01:27.240 --> 00:01:32.320 Most of the things I've done for about two to three years 29 00:01:32.320 --> 00:01:35.080 were more full stack-like. 30 00:01:35.080 --> 00:01:39.480 So I did, for example, Django, the backend, or FastAPI, 31 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.960 and doing either HTML, CSS, and JavaScript in the front end, 32 00:01:43.960 --> 00:01:49.080 or using SAS, or then started with React. 33 00:01:49.080 --> 00:01:52.000 And now I'm more focused on the front end. 34 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:56.640 I'm working full time as a React developer. 35 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:01.040 I've been since in full stack, depending on the project, 36 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:01.720 really. 37 00:02:01.720 --> 00:02:05.320 But I'm doing some Python development, some React 38 00:02:05.320 --> 00:02:08.199 development most times. 39 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:15.800 And I've been creating, right in the most recent years, 40 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:17.600 more enterprise applications. 41 00:02:17.600 --> 00:02:23.440 So that's why I really can't have client projects 42 00:02:23.440 --> 00:02:24.560 in my portfolio. 43 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:28.120 I just have my personal projects, and that's it. 44 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:33.280 So I'm creating ERPs, photo sales, using React. 45 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.000 And yeah, mostly that. 46 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:37.720 That's awesome. 47 00:02:37.720 --> 00:02:41.920 And are you doing full time freelancer, or what do you do? 48 00:02:41.920 --> 00:02:43.360 What's your current? 49 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:47.480 Are you working somewhere right now full time, or? 50 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:50.960 I'm actually more of a freelancer, 51 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:52.400 as I have my own company. 52 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.600 I work as a contractor, usually. 53 00:02:55.600 --> 00:02:57.880 Nice, perfect. 54 00:02:57.880 --> 00:02:58.680 Yeah. 55 00:02:58.680 --> 00:02:59.440 That's great, yeah. 56 00:02:59.440 --> 00:03:02.840 That's how we roll. 57 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:08.760 And just bandwidth wise, how available are you now? 58 00:03:08.760 --> 00:03:12.360 Are you wrapping things up, or where are you at? 59 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.040 I'm more looking for either part time or full time, 60 00:03:16.040 --> 00:03:19.080 as what I'm doing now. 61 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:23.680 I'm looking forward more to full time, if it's possible. 62 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.840 If it's not, it's OK, part time. 63 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:27.800 But. 64 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.280 No, we've got plenty to do. 65 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:31.800 Yeah. 66 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:33.760 I don't want to slow you down. 67 00:03:33.760 --> 00:03:34.680 That's good. 68 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:39.160 And timeline wise, you could start any time soon, 69 00:03:39.160 --> 00:03:41.080 or in the middle of any project. 70 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:44.720 Yeah, and when signing a contract, 71 00:03:44.720 --> 00:03:47.680 we are doing the contract thing. 72 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.440 Maybe one to two weeks max, I could get started. 73 00:03:51.440 --> 00:03:53.760 Maybe I could get started earlier, 74 00:03:53.760 --> 00:03:56.960 doing part time, if it's possible for you guys. 75 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:01.360 But if not, I can pretty quick get full time. 76 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.600 Yeah, that's great. 77 00:04:03.600 --> 00:04:06.480 I just wanted to get a sense of that. 78 00:04:06.480 --> 00:04:11.120 And yeah, and just a little bit about us for background, 79 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:13.440 like we're a small team. 80 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:16.560 We have two full time developers now, and then 81 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.680 two part time product managers. 82 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:22.600 So they're helping with managing clients, 83 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:24.960 making sure the product is actually going. 84 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:27.760 And that's pretty much like one developer, one product 85 00:04:27.760 --> 00:04:31.040 manager per client, per project, essentially. 86 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:36.080 So it's like the developer who's working on a particular project 87 00:04:36.080 --> 00:04:39.560 is doing everything, which actually does actually 88 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.160 make it go faster, if you've ever worked in a team. 89 00:04:42.200 --> 00:04:44.680 Because there's less back and forth 90 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.400 of who's working on what, and all that. 91 00:04:48.400 --> 00:04:49.940 It feels like we go a little slower, 92 00:04:49.940 --> 00:04:51.800 but it's a little more thorough, and I 93 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.680 think a more sustainable pace to do that. 94 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.840 And we aren't, at this point, not starting 95 00:04:58.840 --> 00:05:01.120 any brand new projects. 96 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.120 So most of the time there's an existing back-end, 97 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:05.620 there's an existing front-end, 98 00:05:05.620 --> 00:05:08.640 it's just coming in and building new modules. 99 00:05:08.640 --> 00:05:10.280 So that's nice since it sounds like 100 00:05:10.280 --> 00:05:12.820 you really enjoy the front-end primarily. 101 00:05:14.020 --> 00:05:19.020 Yeah, that's what I'm specialized because 102 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:20.600 it's actually what I'm better at, 103 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:23.040 but I also enjoy the back-end, 104 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:26.280 but again, I'm better at the front-end. 105 00:05:26.280 --> 00:05:29.380 And how far into the front-end 106 00:05:29.380 --> 00:05:33.580 do you like to go, like, is it, you do wireframes, 107 00:05:33.580 --> 00:05:34.740 do you like to mock stuff up? 108 00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:37.380 Like, what's your process like as far as, 109 00:05:37.380 --> 00:05:39.020 you know, there's a set of feature requirements, 110 00:05:39.020 --> 00:05:40.440 how do you look at a blank page 111 00:05:40.440 --> 00:05:43.620 and kind of get started on how to, what to do next? 112 00:05:44.580 --> 00:05:49.580 Well, we usually, as I work more into enterprise projects, 113 00:05:49.620 --> 00:05:51.380 we have the full team. 114 00:05:51.380 --> 00:05:55.260 So there's a designer that creates some mock-ups 115 00:05:55.260 --> 00:05:58.860 on Figma or Adobe XD, and I take a look at those. 116 00:05:58.900 --> 00:06:02.820 We discuss if there is no designer. 117 00:06:02.820 --> 00:06:05.940 I discuss with the person or the client 118 00:06:05.940 --> 00:06:10.900 that what is the actual need. 119 00:06:10.900 --> 00:06:14.300 Then I look at some mock-ups that I can make, 120 00:06:14.300 --> 00:06:17.380 but I usually don't make mock-ups. 121 00:06:17.380 --> 00:06:22.380 I'm gonna say that I'm not really into the web design part 122 00:06:23.380 --> 00:06:26.780 in the sense of drag-and-drop. 123 00:06:26.780 --> 00:06:31.780 So I'm more inclined to always take a look at some examples 124 00:06:33.060 --> 00:06:36.660 if I don't have a designer for the mock-ups 125 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:39.660 and present some templates or something similar 126 00:06:39.660 --> 00:06:43.660 to what I'm thinking to the client or something like that. 127 00:06:43.660 --> 00:06:46.820 Okay, that's all good answers. 128 00:06:47.260 --> 00:06:49.460 That's all good answers. 129 00:06:51.020 --> 00:06:56.020 Yeah, we use very much like a sort of back of the napkin 130 00:06:58.300 --> 00:07:03.300 or whiteboard mock-ups is about as high fidelity as we go. 131 00:07:03.340 --> 00:07:06.060 A lot of our software is highly, highly functional 132 00:07:06.060 --> 00:07:09.220 and it's not like, we're not trying to win design awards, 133 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:11.700 but it looks nice. 134 00:07:11.700 --> 00:07:15.540 Like we use Tailwind and Tailwind UI to make it look pretty, 135 00:07:15.540 --> 00:07:18.300 but it's not gonna win any awards. 136 00:07:19.220 --> 00:07:22.460 So you just wanna make most of our stuff is three. 137 00:07:22.460 --> 00:07:24.980 So that's good. 138 00:07:24.980 --> 00:07:27.260 So typically you'll, if you'll have a, 139 00:07:27.260 --> 00:07:29.100 let's say you're building out like a, 140 00:07:31.700 --> 00:07:34.900 let's say like there's like a video streaming tool 141 00:07:34.900 --> 00:07:37.100 and there's like a chat next to it, 142 00:07:37.100 --> 00:07:38.380 kind of what would be your process 143 00:07:38.380 --> 00:07:40.740 as far as like getting some ideas for design 144 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:43.060 if we didn't have a designer on that? 145 00:07:43.380 --> 00:07:46.140 How would you wanna go about it? 146 00:07:46.140 --> 00:07:51.140 If there is an idea that's really specific like this one, 147 00:07:51.660 --> 00:07:54.340 and if there is some existing applications, 148 00:07:54.340 --> 00:07:57.380 for example, Zoom, I can take a look at what they did 149 00:07:57.380 --> 00:07:59.860 and maybe try it for a copy 150 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:02.820 or at least have something working 151 00:08:02.820 --> 00:08:07.820 in the sense that the design is either similar 152 00:08:08.020 --> 00:08:10.300 if the user experience is good. 153 00:08:10.620 --> 00:08:13.340 If not, I try to engineer something 154 00:08:13.340 --> 00:08:16.180 based on what is already existing, 155 00:08:16.180 --> 00:08:20.100 but usually that's the process. 156 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:21.340 Got it. That's awesome. 157 00:08:22.620 --> 00:08:23.460 That's good. 158 00:08:24.860 --> 00:08:27.820 Yeah, we work very much in like an iterative process 159 00:08:27.820 --> 00:08:31.220 where we typically get it functional first 160 00:08:31.220 --> 00:08:34.580 and then we make sure it's not ugly. 161 00:08:34.580 --> 00:08:35.419 That's the goal. 162 00:08:35.419 --> 00:08:36.260 Yeah. 163 00:08:36.260 --> 00:08:37.100 Just not ugly. 164 00:08:37.100 --> 00:08:39.460 I mean, I'm happy for it to look as nice as we can, 165 00:08:39.780 --> 00:08:42.980 but that is, we always use the analogy 166 00:08:42.980 --> 00:08:45.220 of like you're architecting a house 167 00:08:45.220 --> 00:08:48.300 and you've got to put different rooms in place. 168 00:08:48.300 --> 00:08:50.140 You have to put the foundation, the framework, 169 00:08:50.140 --> 00:08:51.340 all that stuff in. 170 00:08:51.340 --> 00:08:54.620 The design is like what color the walls are gonna be 171 00:08:54.620 --> 00:08:56.380 and what furniture we put in. 172 00:08:56.380 --> 00:09:01.180 Like it's the last, if you're doing a 90-day project, 173 00:09:01.180 --> 00:09:05.420 it's the last two or three days you spend decorating. 174 00:09:05.420 --> 00:09:08.820 But a lot of people like start with high fidelity mockups 175 00:09:08.820 --> 00:09:10.100 and they get them looking amazing, 176 00:09:10.100 --> 00:09:11.900 but then it's extremely buggy. 177 00:09:13.060 --> 00:09:15.020 So anyway, all that, 178 00:09:15.020 --> 00:09:17.460 all very much aligned with how we work. 179 00:09:19.100 --> 00:09:20.660 Okay, so on your website, 180 00:09:20.660 --> 00:09:23.620 you just mentioned Web3 development. 181 00:09:23.620 --> 00:09:25.860 So that's obviously a hot topic. 182 00:09:25.860 --> 00:09:28.260 Like let's talk about that for a second. 183 00:09:29.700 --> 00:09:34.020 Yeah, I'm, on the meantime that I'm doing, 184 00:09:34.220 --> 00:09:37.100 on the meantime that I'm doing this, 185 00:09:37.100 --> 00:09:39.780 most of the application that I'm doing, 186 00:09:39.780 --> 00:09:42.460 I've been studying Web3 for a bit. 187 00:09:42.460 --> 00:09:47.460 So I've been looking to generative NSE projects, 188 00:09:47.500 --> 00:09:49.500 creating minting sites. 189 00:09:50.500 --> 00:09:53.140 I don't know how deep you are into the topic, so. 190 00:09:54.780 --> 00:09:57.580 Try me, like tell me like where, yeah. 191 00:09:57.580 --> 00:09:59.980 So minting, looks like. 192 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:14.520 Yeah, so mostly doing, creating smart contracts using Ethereum or even on the Solenium blockchain. 193 00:10:14.520 --> 00:10:23.280 That's what I've mostly focused on, using Solidity on Ethereum and creating landing 194 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:24.280 pages. 195 00:10:24.280 --> 00:10:33.160 And then the maintenance side, I've also tried creating an FT game. 196 00:10:33.160 --> 00:10:36.560 And how did that go? 197 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:42.000 I didn't, I just didn't finish it because I didn't have the time, but it was actually 198 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:46.800 following, I'm not sure if you know about Buildspace. 199 00:10:46.800 --> 00:10:47.800 Okay. 200 00:10:47.800 --> 00:10:48.800 Yeah. 201 00:10:48.800 --> 00:10:49.800 I think I've heard of it. 202 00:10:49.800 --> 00:10:50.800 Yeah. 203 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:51.800 Yeah. 204 00:10:52.160 --> 00:10:57.420 Some kind of tutorials that they have, there are, for example, this NFT game. 205 00:10:57.420 --> 00:11:05.680 So I was following the tutorial, but I was mostly playing with the code because I wasn't 206 00:11:05.680 --> 00:11:10.400 first aware that they had NFTs for people that finished in the first week, but then 207 00:11:10.400 --> 00:11:13.920 I was just playing with the code and trying to understand it. 208 00:11:13.920 --> 00:11:18.680 And now I first do the tutorials that they have. 209 00:11:18.680 --> 00:11:22.960 So I get the NFT, then I look at the code and try to improve it. 210 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:31.520 For example, I recently did this, I don't know if you know about Ben Awad? 211 00:11:31.520 --> 00:11:36.040 I think, no, I'm not sure, not familiar with him. 212 00:11:36.040 --> 00:11:37.040 Yeah. 213 00:11:37.040 --> 00:11:42.360 So he is a YouTuber that he does some projects. 214 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:48.040 He is, I mean, he has done tutorials on React, a lot of stuff. 215 00:11:48.920 --> 00:11:56.200 So I created an NFT collection of his quote-unquote characters that he has done, for example. 216 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:57.200 Yeah. 217 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:03.280 He's been business Ben or developer Dan, but not really in that sense, but he just showed 218 00:12:03.280 --> 00:12:07.800 up in different clothes and I created an NFT collection out of that and create a minting 219 00:12:07.800 --> 00:12:08.800 site. 220 00:12:08.800 --> 00:12:11.480 Have you made any money through it? 221 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.920 No, it's only on DevNet. 222 00:12:13.920 --> 00:12:17.240 I just was playing with it. 223 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:18.240 Nice. 224 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.480 That's awesome, man. 225 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.680 The design is not the best, but it's actually deployed. 226 00:12:24.680 --> 00:12:25.680 I sent it in the chat. 227 00:12:25.680 --> 00:12:26.680 Oh, I see. 228 00:12:26.680 --> 00:12:27.680 Okay. 229 00:12:27.680 --> 00:12:28.680 Yeah. 230 00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:29.680 So yeah, yeah. 231 00:12:29.680 --> 00:12:34.240 So using Vercel, what are your thoughts on Vercel and Next? 232 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:35.240 Yeah. 233 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:45.160 Next.js is what I've mostly been using when I can, if the project's not too old to, we 234 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:51.280 try to migrate it to Next.js if possible, because if SEO, server-side rendering and 235 00:12:51.280 --> 00:12:59.600 this kind of stuff is something to look for, then Next.js is the way to go for me, at least 236 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:01.200 for now. 237 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.400 And I haven't had any issues with Vercel per se. 238 00:13:05.400 --> 00:13:11.600 I've seen people doing their deploys on AWS on their own, but I don't really think that's 239 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:16.600 efficient use of your time when you have Vercel. 240 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:17.600 Gotcha. 241 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:18.600 Very cool. 242 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:19.600 At least. 243 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:20.600 Yeah. 244 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:30.600 Just, and what are some, like, with Next.js and kind of moving towards that serverless 245 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:38.600 development process, what are some of the issues that you run into using that tech stack? 246 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:47.880 Issues that I had was mostly, I haven't had really issues, was mostly using the tech or 247 00:13:47.880 --> 00:13:54.680 doing the immigration, for example, using their image optimization thing. 248 00:13:54.680 --> 00:13:59.760 So they have the image component that we use. 249 00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:05.480 And sometimes that you have to set a width and height. 250 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.880 So pretty simple stuff. 251 00:14:07.880 --> 00:14:10.480 Not huge things that I had issues with them. 252 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:16.480 So not really sure what other people are having issues with. 253 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:17.480 Okay. 254 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:18.480 Cool. 255 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:27.400 What's, like, a recent project, you mentioned the Web3 stuff, maybe that's, there's an example 256 00:14:27.400 --> 00:14:32.360 there, but what's, like, a project you've been working on that has challenged you or 257 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:34.440 that you're really proud of? 258 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.440 If you want to share your screen and show it, or if you have anything that could work, too. 259 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:44.440 Recently, it was mostly the NFC game. 260 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:45.440 Okay. 261 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:53.440 That was quite challenging because I was learning hardhat and how to get into Solidity, doing, 262 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:59.440 didn't even get to do tests, but that was the next step. 263 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:07.320 deploying them, uh, the, the contract to open C with the, the mints. 264 00:15:07.520 --> 00:15:12.640 Uh, so the NFTs would show up on that point and see, I guess there it's still 265 00:15:12.680 --> 00:15:25.320 in there probably on the, uh, at this one, the test net, um, I'm trying to 266 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:29.880 find the collection that actually has the metadata. 267 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:31.520 Okay. 268 00:15:31.520 --> 00:15:38.320 I guess this one for, I guess, details loves. 269 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:38.600 Yeah. 270 00:15:38.680 --> 00:15:41.600 This one is I'm going to send him in chat. 271 00:15:41.920 --> 00:15:48.760 This one is one of the NFTs on the, that was looking to do. 272 00:15:49.280 --> 00:15:56.360 So it actually had, uh, attributes that were dynamic because, uh, it, it had 273 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:03.880 an interactive game that it was sort of like a, uh, Pokemon thing that was, 274 00:16:04.280 --> 00:16:09.200 uh, NFTs had attack damage, create chance, defense, and health points. 275 00:16:09.800 --> 00:16:15.120 And the health points would decline if the NFT would have been attacked and 276 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.720 you were taking turns to, uh, defeat a boss, for example. 277 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:25.840 So multiple NFTs, multiple people would join to defeat a, uh, really strong boss. 278 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.240 And yeah, that's the idea of the game. 279 00:16:28.920 --> 00:16:29.240 Got it. 280 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:31.560 Nice. 281 00:16:32.160 --> 00:16:34.240 Um, awesome, man. 282 00:16:34.280 --> 00:16:34.840 That's good. 283 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.520 Um, yeah, all good stuff. 284 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:44.720 Uh, um, so the reason I asked about all the web three and the, and all everything 285 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:50.760 blockchain related is, um, so we have three kind of app clients that 286 00:16:50.760 --> 00:16:52.440 we work with on a regular basis. 287 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.840 So, and then we do have our own SAS product. 288 00:16:56.920 --> 00:16:59.480 It's like a video streaming community platform. 289 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:04.000 And just because there's so many of those types of platforms, we're trying 290 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.640 to build it a little bit differently. 291 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:11.319 And so we just recently like moved to all of our storage, um, like the video 292 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:16.800 storage, the image storage, all that to like a, um, blockchain based platform. 293 00:17:17.520 --> 00:17:21.280 Um, and so we, and that actually just went live yesterday. 294 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:26.560 And so we're just looking at every, at every point, how could we make it more 295 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:31.400 built, build more of it on the block on blockchain, um, to doing some smart 296 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:37.720 contracts, even with like, you know, user, um, registration, authentication, 297 00:17:37.800 --> 00:17:39.520 authentication, absolutely. 298 00:17:39.520 --> 00:17:40.400 So that that's cool. 299 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:43.600 So we're in the very, very beginning stage of it. 300 00:17:44.760 --> 00:17:48.680 In fact, you know, all we've done is really, um, this video hosting. 301 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.760 Uh, and it, we are kind of doing some interesting stuff. 302 00:17:52.760 --> 00:17:56.280 We worked with a company called storage, S T O R J dot IO. 303 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:01.640 Um, they have their own coin and everything, and they've 304 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:03.040 been around for quite a while. 305 00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:06.400 I think there's like 450 million in circulation on their coin. 306 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:13.640 And, um, when we published our video hosting transcoding thing, their tech 307 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:16.480 team, like reached out to us, like, Hey, can you guys write a blog post? 308 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:17.360 Can we do a case study? 309 00:18:17.360 --> 00:18:20.680 Like, this is the coolest, like no one's integrating it the way you guys are. 310 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.200 Um, so we feel like we're a little bit on the bleeding edge of the tech there. 311 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:26.400 So it's, it's been fun. 312 00:18:26.840 --> 00:18:30.400 Um, so some of our developers had the chance to like write some articles for 313 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.840 them, kind of breaking down how we did some of this stuff, which was fun. 314 00:18:34.320 --> 00:18:36.800 Um, so we're experimenting, right? 315 00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:39.240 Like it's, it's our own internal app, so we can literally 316 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:40.800 do whatever we want to do it. 317 00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:47.200 Um, and we have about a hundred paying clients on that and potent probably 318 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:52.320 like, I would say two to 3000 monthly active users on the platform. 319 00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:56.880 Um, and so it's enough volume, so you can experiment, you know, with it. 320 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:59.600 But anyway, that's, that's one project. 321 00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:04.920 Um, we're going, we're going really deep into the web three stuff as much as we can. 322 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:10.600 Um, I'm still fairly new to it, but, um, yeah, if you're interested in that stuff, 323 00:19:10.600 --> 00:19:16.040 there's, there's a lot of opportunity to, to, to geek out on that, um, an experiment. 324 00:19:16.040 --> 00:19:18.600 So, um, yeah, that's awesome. 325 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:22.440 Um, I mean, um, that's what I'm looking for at least to actually 326 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.560 switch to be a web tree developer. 327 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:25.960 So that's really nice. 328 00:19:26.520 --> 00:19:27.240 Yeah, I think so. 329 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:33.920 And, um, yeah, we're just with, um, like, yeah, in every aspect of it. 330 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.920 So there's, and there's so many, like saying you're building on the blockchain 331 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.800 is like, kind of like saying like you, you're building a website, like you can 332 00:19:41.800 --> 00:19:45.560 build an app, you can build a webpage, you can build a brochure, like there's a 333 00:19:45.560 --> 00:19:47.120 million ways you can build a website. 334 00:19:47.120 --> 00:19:49.440 And there's so many ways you can build on the blockchain. 335 00:19:50.040 --> 00:19:54.480 So it's just like kind of the early stages where, um, just saying like, 336 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:55.880 Oh, it's built on, on chain. 337 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:57.440 Like that's, that's great. 338 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.000 But, um, like, but how, like, what. 339 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.340 are you actually, how are you actually implementing this? 340 00:20:02.340 --> 00:20:04.900 And so our clients love it. 341 00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:08.220 Like they're very big on decentralization 342 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:10.660 and having like sensor-free platforms 343 00:20:10.660 --> 00:20:13.020 where they can post and share their thoughts. 344 00:20:13.020 --> 00:20:16.060 And a good thing to have in 2021 345 00:20:16.060 --> 00:20:20.100 with all the big tech censorship stuff going around. 346 00:20:20.100 --> 00:20:21.680 Yeah, absolutely. 347 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.680 So that's kind of one of the things we, 348 00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:28.220 you know, and I don't care one way or the other, 349 00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:32.140 but just the fact that Amazon can shut down a site, 350 00:20:32.140 --> 00:20:34.020 like, you know, like Parler, 351 00:20:34.020 --> 00:20:35.580 because they decided they didn't like it, 352 00:20:35.580 --> 00:20:38.340 is, you know, we're like, no, we're not, you know. 353 00:20:38.340 --> 00:20:41.800 So we don't build pretty much anything on AWS. 354 00:20:42.740 --> 00:20:44.380 Moving all of our storage out of S3 355 00:20:44.380 --> 00:20:49.380 over to this new Ethereum-based platform was awesome. 356 00:20:53.300 --> 00:20:56.740 And so anyway, those are just some of our like underlying 357 00:20:57.740 --> 00:21:00.860 sort of what we believe here as a team. 358 00:21:02.180 --> 00:21:03.020 Cool. 359 00:21:03.020 --> 00:21:05.300 So one of the things we didn't really talk about, 360 00:21:05.300 --> 00:21:09.500 our whole team is very much bought into the ShapeUp 361 00:21:09.500 --> 00:21:11.260 platform, so I know you mentioned 362 00:21:11.260 --> 00:21:13.220 you hadn't really heard of it, 363 00:21:13.220 --> 00:21:14.580 but you're willing to test it out. 364 00:21:14.580 --> 00:21:17.460 Like, did you have a chance to check it out? 365 00:21:18.380 --> 00:21:21.500 Yeah, I actually took a look at it. 366 00:21:21.500 --> 00:21:26.500 It was funny and pretty cool, actually. 367 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:31.180 I quite understand the issue that they talk about 368 00:21:31.180 --> 00:21:34.540 when you have a backlog and you have everything, 369 00:21:34.540 --> 00:21:37.900 and that's just madness. 370 00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:42.900 And it's quite good to see other things coming up, 371 00:21:42.940 --> 00:21:44.780 like ShapeUp. 372 00:21:44.780 --> 00:21:45.780 Yeah. 373 00:21:45.780 --> 00:21:47.180 Well, that's just one thing. 374 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:50.740 Yeah, I mean, if we're working together or something, 375 00:21:50.740 --> 00:21:53.340 definitely, you know, take some time. 376 00:21:53.340 --> 00:21:56.260 You can bill us for the time reading the book 377 00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:59.500 or whatever, but it's worth getting up to speed on that. 378 00:21:59.500 --> 00:22:04.500 And they prioritize very functional design, 379 00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:06.860 meaning it's more on the UX side, 380 00:22:06.860 --> 00:22:09.060 which is very much aligned with how we work. 381 00:22:10.300 --> 00:22:12.740 And all of their stuff, Basecamp and Hay, 382 00:22:12.740 --> 00:22:15.580 their email service, is very, very minimalist 383 00:22:15.580 --> 00:22:18.460 and very simple, but it's very easy to use, right? 384 00:22:18.460 --> 00:22:20.740 It's not the most beautiful thing. 385 00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:22.860 They're probably not winning design awards either, 386 00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:25.340 but it's extremely user-friendly, 387 00:22:25.340 --> 00:22:28.300 and that's actually, that honestly is a better design 388 00:22:28.300 --> 00:22:29.860 than something that's got pretty colors 389 00:22:29.860 --> 00:22:33.180 and tiny fonts you can't read and all that. 390 00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:34.100 Yeah. 391 00:22:34.100 --> 00:22:36.820 And so we worked with a branding house 392 00:22:36.820 --> 00:22:38.700 and did websites many years ago 393 00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:42.180 where they were literally picking, you know, 394 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:44.460 oh, this is two pixels to the left 395 00:22:44.460 --> 00:22:47.180 and we need to adjust this one to the right. 396 00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:48.420 We don't do any of that anymore. 397 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:51.660 We did it plenty of times, not ever going back there. 398 00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:53.340 Oh, thank God. 399 00:22:54.340 --> 00:22:57.860 So anyway, so that's good. 400 00:22:57.860 --> 00:22:59.780 But yeah, any questions for me? 401 00:22:59.780 --> 00:23:00.860 I know I got about five minutes left, 402 00:23:00.860 --> 00:23:03.100 but anything, I know I asked you a bunch of questions, 403 00:23:03.100 --> 00:23:05.540 but anything for us or how we work or? 404 00:23:06.700 --> 00:23:11.140 Yeah, I mean, I've seen the offers you have on the website, 405 00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:13.620 the applications you mentioned, 406 00:23:13.620 --> 00:23:18.620 and on the development offers, 407 00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:23.620 they always have, it's more of a shaping up thing 408 00:23:23.620 --> 00:23:26.060 to actually question. 409 00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:31.140 So you always have three developers on the same project, 410 00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:34.660 but you mentioned, I'm not really sure right now, 411 00:23:34.660 --> 00:23:37.300 but I think you mentioned that you work more 412 00:23:37.300 --> 00:23:41.660 on one developer and one project per client. 413 00:23:41.660 --> 00:23:45.220 So how does this actually work? 414 00:23:45.220 --> 00:23:46.980 Yeah, so we, again, 415 00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:48.380 kind of following the shape up stuff, 416 00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:50.980 everything is built around a project. 417 00:23:50.980 --> 00:23:53.460 So it's either a two, four, six week project, 418 00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:55.140 whether you work on stuff for clients 419 00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:58.180 or you work on stuff for our own internal apps, 420 00:23:58.180 --> 00:24:01.140 it's all in two, four, six week. 421 00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:03.620 We occasionally will try to do a one week 422 00:24:03.620 --> 00:24:05.460 for a very small project, 423 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:08.700 but really those end up always going to two weeks anyway. 424 00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:10.940 So we're just kind of made to the minimum. 425 00:24:12.580 --> 00:24:15.460 And so we kind of have that sort of, 426 00:24:17.820 --> 00:24:21.100 work where we're putting together 427 00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:24.060 very specific deliverables for a larger project. 428 00:24:24.060 --> 00:24:26.500 We also have what we call like reactive work, 429 00:24:26.500 --> 00:24:29.500 which is just, hey, there's like tasks and stuff 430 00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:30.780 that kind of pile up. 431 00:24:30.780 --> 00:24:33.660 And I actually did an interview with Ryan Singer, 432 00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:36.900 who's the author of Basecamp a couple of weeks back. 433 00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:38.380 And I was talking him through our process. 434 00:24:38.380 --> 00:24:40.300 And he was like, oh no, that's like the only way to do it. 435 00:24:40.300 --> 00:24:43.380 Like you can't, because you're inevitably gonna have, 436 00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:44.660 someone's gonna log a bug. 437 00:24:44.660 --> 00:24:46.380 Someone's gonna like give you feedback. 438 00:24:46.940 --> 00:24:49.100 There's a typo on this page. 439 00:24:49.100 --> 00:24:50.220 Has to go somewhere. 440 00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:51.780 At some point we have to check it off the list. 441 00:24:51.780 --> 00:24:54.820 So there does end up with like a little bit of a backlog, 442 00:24:54.820 --> 00:24:56.900 but it's for very, very small, 443 00:24:58.780 --> 00:25:00.420 things that you could go fix and. 444 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.760 15 minutes, sorry, 20 minutes. 445 00:25:01.760 --> 00:25:04.200 So if there's time, we'll just go chip away 446 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:05.040 at a bunch of stuff. 447 00:25:05.040 --> 00:25:06.280 So people are between things. 448 00:25:06.280 --> 00:25:07.600 Or sometimes as a developer, 449 00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:09.520 you just want to change the scenery. 450 00:25:09.520 --> 00:25:11.120 You're like deep into one module, 451 00:25:11.120 --> 00:25:13.160 like want to go get some quick wins, 452 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.160 spend half a day just knocking out some quick bugs, 453 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:17.720 you know, and then push that all the way 454 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.600 through to production, you know, in a few hours, 455 00:25:20.600 --> 00:25:22.560 it just is a good sense of accomplishment 456 00:25:22.560 --> 00:25:25.460 and then go back to hammering away at something else. 457 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:30.220 So we have two, the two, 458 00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:32.220 everybody on our team is very technical. 459 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:35.660 So our product, like our product managers 460 00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:38.660 are also like making Git commits 461 00:25:38.660 --> 00:25:41.540 and fixing little typos and, you know, 462 00:25:41.540 --> 00:25:43.100 improving design a little bit. 463 00:25:43.100 --> 00:25:46.540 So we're all, and myself included as well, 464 00:25:46.540 --> 00:25:50.140 I just started learning JavaScript and React in January. 465 00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:54.540 And I know enough to like do some basic front end stuff, 466 00:25:54.540 --> 00:25:57.700 like layouts and making sure tailwind, 467 00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:00.780 you know, stuff is, you know, looking nice, 468 00:26:00.780 --> 00:26:01.940 but that's about it. 469 00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:06.060 And so, but, you know, so there's some support there, 470 00:26:06.060 --> 00:26:07.940 but yeah, it's really just one developer 471 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:11.140 and then one product manager on every project. 472 00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:12.820 So each of those two, four, six week projects, 473 00:26:12.820 --> 00:26:15.140 there's just two people involved. 474 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:16.500 One person's doing the code, 475 00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:18.500 the other person's doing everything but the code 476 00:26:18.500 --> 00:26:21.700 as far as like doing meetings with clients, 477 00:26:21.700 --> 00:26:24.740 doing QA, you know, 478 00:26:24.740 --> 00:26:26.620 helping with some of the mock-ups and stuff. 479 00:26:26.620 --> 00:26:29.340 We are all involved, the developer, designer, 480 00:26:29.340 --> 00:26:33.660 and sometimes me as well in the shaping process 481 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:34.740 and putting together this, 482 00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:37.180 and it actually goes into a document in Notion 483 00:26:38.420 --> 00:26:40.100 that we can track and we can put, 484 00:26:40.100 --> 00:26:41.460 like, we define the problem. 485 00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:42.300 Here's what we're trying. 486 00:26:42.300 --> 00:26:44.500 And we write it out in like paragraph form. 487 00:26:44.500 --> 00:26:45.980 And then we talk about the solution 488 00:26:45.980 --> 00:26:49.420 and we actually spend time as a team 489 00:26:49.420 --> 00:26:52.220 looking at the problem, looking at the solution, 490 00:26:52.220 --> 00:26:54.660 and us all getting on a call, 491 00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:55.740 mocking stuff up together. 492 00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:57.620 Like, you may have a design idea 493 00:26:57.620 --> 00:26:59.380 that I didn't think of or vice versa. 494 00:26:59.380 --> 00:27:01.620 So we're all really bought in. 495 00:27:01.620 --> 00:27:03.020 So when we all agree like, 496 00:27:03.020 --> 00:27:04.660 yeah, this feels like about two weeks 497 00:27:04.660 --> 00:27:06.060 or this feels like about four weeks, 498 00:27:06.060 --> 00:27:07.740 like we're all very much on the same page. 499 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:10.620 It's not a project manager sitting in his office 500 00:27:10.620 --> 00:27:12.140 being like, I think they could do it in two weeks 501 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:13.580 and like kick it over to a developer. 502 00:27:13.580 --> 00:27:14.740 And then the developer's like, 503 00:27:14.740 --> 00:27:18.580 no way, this is a six week project, minimum. 504 00:27:18.700 --> 00:27:19.540 We don't want that. 505 00:27:19.540 --> 00:27:22.820 It's very much, it's very transparent 506 00:27:22.820 --> 00:27:24.260 to the point where our clients 507 00:27:24.260 --> 00:27:26.740 are also looking at this document. 508 00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:28.980 So everybody's on the same page, literally. 509 00:27:29.980 --> 00:27:34.980 And our developers typically will be on client calls 510 00:27:35.540 --> 00:27:37.420 to do reviews and hear feedback and stuff. 511 00:27:37.420 --> 00:27:40.460 It's just easier and just rather than someone 512 00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:43.100 trying to take a bunch of notes and hand them back to you. 513 00:27:43.100 --> 00:27:46.060 We do very, we're also very anti-meetings. 514 00:27:46.060 --> 00:27:48.580 So they're normally 20, 30 minute calls, 515 00:27:48.580 --> 00:27:49.620 just quick check-ins. 516 00:27:49.620 --> 00:27:52.060 We're not spending hours like thinking 517 00:27:52.060 --> 00:27:55.140 of all the new things we could do to the app. 518 00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:58.300 And so, yeah, so that's kind of how we think about it. 519 00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:02.300 All right, yeah, you went all the way. 520 00:28:02.300 --> 00:28:05.220 That's a little more than I expected, 521 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:06.900 but also very helpful. 522 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:07.740 Thank you. 523 00:28:09.620 --> 00:28:13.060 Yeah, about that, that's okay. 524 00:28:13.060 --> 00:28:17.020 So you mentioned that there is someone working 525 00:28:17.020 --> 00:28:19.940 from Columbia and you're in Atlanta. 526 00:28:19.940 --> 00:28:24.260 So I assume that the hours of, 527 00:28:24.260 --> 00:28:26.220 the working hours are all asynchronous 528 00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:29.860 or do you have an expectation to work? 529 00:28:29.860 --> 00:28:30.700 Okay, yeah. 530 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:33.780 Yeah, we'll find a time, like since the clients, 531 00:28:33.780 --> 00:28:35.900 so you'll be like, say we're on one project, 532 00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:38.900 you'll find a time that works for those two or three people 533 00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:40.220 that are involved in the project. 534 00:28:40.220 --> 00:28:42.300 Like they can set their own schedule 535 00:28:42.300 --> 00:28:46.740 if that's sometimes, we've got some people are single. 536 00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:49.820 We've got one developer that is married, but no kids. 537 00:28:49.820 --> 00:28:51.700 I have a baby that's seven months. 538 00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:53.820 So like everybody's in different stages. 539 00:28:53.820 --> 00:28:57.140 One of our operations person has one child 540 00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:58.940 and then she is also pregnant with her second. 541 00:28:58.940 --> 00:29:00.020 So like everybody's in, 542 00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:02.140 so sometimes like later evenings are better. 543 00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:03.900 Sometimes early mornings are better. 544 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:05.940 We don't set any like overlap, 545 00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:08.860 but we all have to be on for the set time. 546 00:29:08.860 --> 00:29:09.700 Okay, great. 547 00:29:09.700 --> 00:29:11.100 But we will find if there's meetings, 548 00:29:11.100 --> 00:29:14.060 we just try and pick the most convenient time for everyone. 549 00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:17.660 So we do like to connect, 550 00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:20.020 especially on the dev. 551 00:29:20.020 --> 00:29:21.580 One thing we've started doing recently 552 00:29:21.580 --> 00:29:23.820 is doing monthly check-ins, 553 00:29:23.820 --> 00:29:27.740 just a one or two hour call where we just do a show and tell 554 00:29:27.740 --> 00:29:30.820 and each developer just shares what they're working on 555 00:29:30.820 --> 00:29:33.700 and some of the cool things they're experimenting with. 556 00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:36.980 And we just kind of do a learning meeting type thing 557 00:29:36.980 --> 00:29:38.420 where we just kind of, it's just a hangout 558 00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:40.300 and we just kick around ideas 559 00:29:40.300 --> 00:29:42.860 and get to kind of show off what we're working on. 560 00:29:42.860 --> 00:29:45.460 And it just helps everybody sort of see what else is going on. 561 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:49.860 And again, those are all scheduled randomly 562 00:29:49.860 --> 00:29:52.340 every maybe four to five weeks. 563 00:29:53.300 --> 00:29:55.900 And we just pick a time that works for everybody, so. 564 00:29:57.740 --> 00:29:59.100 Yeah, that works great. 565 00:29:59.100 --> 00:30:00.140 Try to create a calm. 566 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.240 a working environment as much as possible. 567 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.720 So go ahead. 568 00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:07.680 Well, this is really good. 569 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:09.960 I mean, I feel really good about trying 570 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.240 to do something together. 571 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.080 Like I said, all of our work is full-time. 572 00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:16.080 It's project-based. 573 00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:21.440 So I would love to do a two- or a four-week project, probably 574 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.200 a two-week project, try something. 575 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:26.480 It's all work that has to be done anyway. 576 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.800 It's obviously paid. 577 00:30:28.800 --> 00:30:32.160 And then if that all goes, we'll do another one 578 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.480 and another one and just put you on payroll. 579 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.920 And we do everything once a month with our team. 580 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:43.920 Currently, we're doing everything hourly, 581 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.360 still paying developers hourly. 582 00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:52.360 We are experimenting with going to a project-based price, 583 00:30:52.360 --> 00:30:56.800 where for a two-week project, you would just 584 00:30:56.840 --> 00:31:02.880 be paid x for knowing it's about 50 to 60 hours. 585 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.960 And that way, if you get it done in 40, 586 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.360 your rate just goes way up. 587 00:31:07.360 --> 00:31:11.240 And that way, I hate billing hourly. 588 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.720 It's not a sustainable thing, because at some point, 589 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.840 we need to switch to value-based pricing. 590 00:31:15.840 --> 00:31:18.400 So as a company, we have switched to value-based pricing. 591 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.640 Our clients pay a fixed price for two, four, 592 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.000 or six-week projects. 593 00:31:23.040 --> 00:31:27.320 So I don't have to do any quoting or any of that. 594 00:31:27.320 --> 00:31:28.800 So we try to keep it really simple. 595 00:31:28.800 --> 00:31:30.840 So we're experimenting with next year, 596 00:31:30.840 --> 00:31:33.160 kind of moving towards that, where you would just know, 597 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:34.480 oh, two-week project, it's this. 598 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:35.640 Four, it's that. 599 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.680 And that way, it's just a lot calmer 600 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:42.360 than having to track hours and do the whole stuff. 601 00:31:42.360 --> 00:31:43.760 So we're working on it. 602 00:31:43.760 --> 00:31:45.840 Those are just something we're experimenting with, 603 00:31:45.840 --> 00:31:47.200 but for now, hourly. 604 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.600 And the last quick question I have, 605 00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:52.520 and I know we're a little over time here. 606 00:31:53.080 --> 00:31:54.760 Do you have a target rate you're looking for 607 00:31:54.760 --> 00:31:58.640 for that hourly, if it was, say, 30 to 35 hours a week? 608 00:32:00.760 --> 00:32:05.760 Yeah, so I actually usually go for value-based, again, 609 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.520 as same as the company. 610 00:32:08.520 --> 00:32:13.000 But hourly, the last time I was doing hourly, 611 00:32:14.280 --> 00:32:19.280 I was taking the $40 to $50 an hour. 612 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:20.680 Okay. 613 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:22.440 Yeah, that's definitely within our, 614 00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:27.080 within our, kind of what everybody else is in. 615 00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:28.760 So yeah, absolutely. 616 00:32:28.760 --> 00:32:30.960 And so that would be easy to do that. 617 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.680 And then, like I said, if you're, 618 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.600 look, we're experimenting and trying out 619 00:32:36.600 --> 00:32:37.960 the project-based pricing, 620 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.840 because it's a good move for our business. 621 00:32:41.840 --> 00:32:45.200 I'd love to pass on that workflow 622 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:46.520 to the developers as well. 623 00:32:46.520 --> 00:32:48.920 So you can also get the benefit 624 00:32:49.600 --> 00:32:51.080 of just having a fixed price. 625 00:32:51.080 --> 00:32:54.680 Also, side note, all of our money is all upfront. 626 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.040 So it'd be like, here's a two-week project, 627 00:32:57.040 --> 00:32:59.280 and also here's 100% of the payment for it 628 00:32:59.280 --> 00:33:00.280 before you start. 629 00:33:01.760 --> 00:33:03.520 Because that's how we bill our clients. 630 00:33:03.520 --> 00:33:06.040 We have clients who really trust us. 631 00:33:06.040 --> 00:33:10.360 So none of this 50% then 50% stuff, 632 00:33:10.360 --> 00:33:12.840 it's all upfront. 633 00:33:12.840 --> 00:33:16.040 And so yeah, those are the things we're experimenting with. 634 00:33:16.040 --> 00:33:18.000 But really excited. 635 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.560 So as far as next steps, 636 00:33:20.560 --> 00:33:23.240 you said potentially you could start within a week or two, 637 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.760 or maybe do some part-time stuff. 638 00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:27.840 Yeah, if it's required, 639 00:33:27.840 --> 00:33:32.320 like you have the project now and you need someone out, 640 00:33:32.320 --> 00:33:35.320 I can probably start working on it 641 00:33:35.320 --> 00:33:37.560 if it's how you really need it. 642 00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:42.560 But if it's not that necessary, 643 00:33:42.800 --> 00:33:45.960 it's better for me to start in maybe a week 644 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.960 or at least next week. 645 00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.520 Not to, yeah, not like it's already Thursday. 646 00:33:51.520 --> 00:33:52.360 So yeah. 647 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.040 Let's look at, maybe if you wanna chat, 648 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.760 if you wanna do, can we maybe chat Monday, 649 00:34:01.760 --> 00:34:04.400 maybe at like 10.30 Eastern? 650 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:06.160 Does that sound, it could work? 651 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:09.800 Let me actually check. 652 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.239 Or tomorrow afternoon. 653 00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:13.880 I mean, just what I would wanna do is just spend 654 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:16.080 a little bit of time, 655 00:34:16.120 --> 00:34:18.560 like pulling out a specific project. 656 00:34:18.560 --> 00:34:20.480 We can talk through the pitch 657 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.400 and like basically finish shaping it up together. 658 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.400 And then just, if you feel good about it, 659 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.159 you can take that on. 660 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.199 None of our projects are very time sensitive. 661 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:31.480 So what we could do is give you 662 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:32.800 like a one or a two week project, 663 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.000 but it doesn't have to be done in two weeks. 664 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.080 It's, you can kind of, 665 00:34:36.080 --> 00:34:38.880 if you take three weeks to do it or whatever, it's fine. 666 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.320 So I can give you something that's very flexible. 667 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.360 Yeah, is there a good time tomorrow or Monday? 668 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.040 Tomorrow, anything on, 669 00:34:52.040 --> 00:34:54.960 you're on the Eastern time zone. 670 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.360 Yeah. 671 00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:57.200 Let's check. 672 00:34:57.200 --> 00:35:00.040 So anything on past month. 673 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:06.160 30, your time till 4, that works for me. 674 00:35:06.160 --> 00:35:08.560 OK, till 4, my time? 675 00:35:08.560 --> 00:35:09.320 Yeah. 676 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.920 OK, let's do, let's make sure I got it. 677 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.200 So yeah, if you can do 2 PM my time, which I think 678 00:35:18.200 --> 00:35:20.680 are you an hour behind? 679 00:35:20.680 --> 00:35:23.040 I'm actually two hours ahead. 680 00:35:23.040 --> 00:35:24.360 Two hours ahead, OK, gotcha. 681 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.800 So 4, your time then. 682 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.120 Yes. 683 00:35:29.120 --> 00:35:31.200 Does that work? 684 00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:32.800 Yeah, it works. 685 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.760 OK, I will send you an invite for that. 686 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.000 Let's plan to chat then. 687 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.680 I'll give me, it'll give me some time 688 00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:42.160 to just put some notes together. 689 00:35:42.160 --> 00:35:44.400 If I can't, I'll send them over to you ahead of time 690 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.360 so you can look at them. 691 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.960 But we'll try to be, we'll just be a quick 30 minute call. 692 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.960 And then as I said, like if that works, 693 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.200 we can just let you take that as a small project 694 00:35:54.200 --> 00:35:57.240 and run with it, get you connected in. 695 00:35:57.240 --> 00:35:58.520 So cool. 696 00:35:58.520 --> 00:35:59.720 Yeah, absolutely. 697 00:35:59.720 --> 00:36:06.560 I just want to say, as well as there is only usually 698 00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:08.800 one developer, but just asking because I 699 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.600 had some issues lately, I don't need 700 00:36:12.600 --> 00:36:15.720 to use Linux, Mac, or Windows, right? 701 00:36:15.720 --> 00:36:17.840 Just make it share. 702 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.800 No, we were just whatever you like using, it's good. 703 00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:22.720 All right, all right. 704 00:36:23.240 --> 00:36:26.360 Yeah, I guess that's it. 705 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:27.080 Yeah, absolutely. 706 00:36:27.080 --> 00:36:30.880 And it's one developer, but we have, 707 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.800 I think everybody on our team has at some point 708 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.600 worked on this internal video platform that we have. 709 00:36:36.600 --> 00:36:39.760 So there's, you can definitely jump in and ask questions. 710 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.000 And as you're getting familiar with the project, 711 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.400 there's people who can answer, like everybody on the team 712 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:48.360 will be happy to help you with any tech questions you have. 713 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:53.480 So there's support, but you're sort of running that project. 714 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:55.560 It's not like we're just send you off and talk to you 715 00:36:55.560 --> 00:36:59.320 in two weeks, but we do like to at least have 716 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.840 some social connection with everybody. 717 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:02.680 So cool, man. 718 00:37:02.680 --> 00:37:03.920 Yeah, absolutely. 719 00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:05.440 OK, we'll talk soon. 720 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:06.040 This is great. 721 00:37:06.040 --> 00:37:07.360 Great to meet you. 722 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.920 Look forward to doing something together. 723 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:10.720 Yeah, me too. 724 00:37:10.720 --> 00:37:12.440 Cool, thanks for your time. 725 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.280 Appreciate it.