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everyone to the very beginning, the launch day of the Divine Health Summit.

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Such an honor to be here with Professor Robin and Yana Sikarios.

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Did I say that right? Sikarios?

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Sikarios.

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How do you say it?

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Sikarios.

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Sikarios.

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Well, it is a delight and an honor to be with these beautiful ladies.

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And we've got a really exceptional story that we're going to get into today.

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I am going to check the tech,

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make sure that everything's streaming the way that it should be.

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And while we do that, Professor Robin,

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why don't you give us a little intro of like,

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how has your day begun today while I check the tech?

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And then we're going to pray and get sorted,

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get launched into hearing this phenomenal story.

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So my day today, probably not quite as early as good,

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because I was up until midnight doing other work around other things that are happening.

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So, but you know, exercises, cold shower,

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the wake you up, scrub you up, praying,

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all of that, you know, set your system for the day stuff.

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Fantastic.

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So, all good.

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Oh, that is beautiful.

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And yeah, Anna, how about yourself?

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How did the day start?

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What was the vibe for today?

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Hi, Benji.

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Hi, Robin.

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Much of the same.

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So a walk in the morning and cool ocean swim

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and then back home for some brekkie and it's been a good start.

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Nice.

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Love it.

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Okay, well, yeah, I actually had a good start to the day as well.

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Gym session with the crew.

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Then I had a swim at the beach and some prayer times

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and I had a nice, very nice smoothie.

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I see you sucking back on a bit of a smoothie there.

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What have you got?

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I've said before about the whole lemon, that's what that one is.

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Crikey.

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I think we lost you for a second there,

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but you will have to go deeper on your smoothie,

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you know, all the secrets of your smoothies

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and how you do that another time.

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But that's very cool.

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So, Jana, it would just be wonderful if you want to pray for us

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to start the session.

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It'll be amazing.

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And we're looking forward to a great adventure together.

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Jana, take it away.

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Did you say Jana?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Jana, Jana.

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Sorry, Jana.

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The old, the classic awkward moment.

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My prayer, and I hope it's okay with you guys, is the Lord's Prayer.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Our Father, who art in heaven,

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hallowed be thy name.

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Thy kingdom come,

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thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

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Give us this day our daily bread

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and forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us.

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And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from all evil.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Beautiful.

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Well, everyone who's coming from all over the world,

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it's wonderful to have you with us in the summit.

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And how about you just drop in the comments

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where you are, where you're joining us from,

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and what's the weather like?

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Where are you?

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I'm seeing photos at the moment from our people

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who are all around the world, and some people it's snowing.

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we're beaching it up and trying not to get too sunburned

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and swimming in the morning.

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So just let us know how it is in your part of the world.

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And once again, it's a massive welcome to everyone.

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And thank you so much for joining us,

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whether you're joining us live

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or whether you're joining us for replay.

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It is an honor to have you with us.

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So why don't you just drop as well?

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Live if you're watching us live,

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drop replay if you're with us for the replay.

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And we're going to jump right into Jana's story now

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of really dealing with incurable disease

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and being kind of spat out of the medical system in a sense.

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But let's just go back, Jana.

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we'll go back in time and hear your story of when did you start to realise that your family had

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some serious health issues? Firstly thank you Benji for having me on it's a great honour and

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it's a particular honour to be able to share this space with Professor Cosford who has been an

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incredible mentor and is really the reason that I can share this story today so thank you Robin.

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Yeah absolutely it really is an honour to be with both of you beautiful ladies and it'd be rude not

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to say that you're both looking very radiant and it's really really great to be in this space

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together so yeah. So I guess to briefly

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bring in where I came from

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Sorry Jana we lost you there for a second but if you want to

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just jump back into it you're good now. Okay sorry so I don't know how much you missed but

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relatively healthy childhood but lots of are we okay now? Yeah yeah we're good you're doing great

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Sydney wi-fi so I don't know where we lost me so I'll quickly just recover that

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early childhood lots of niggly issues but relatively good childhood and you know

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I'm Greek so food is everything and we always had beautiful home-cooked meals

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and my grandmothers would cook and we knew a lot about food but just I guess the

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the world that we live in now right throughout my teenage years I started to drift from that

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really disconnect from my body I never really appreciated what we had so for me nutrition

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and even basic human you know human function just didn't it didn't it didn't play a major

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role in my life and I married young and moved out of the family homes and lost that connection

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and lots of freedom of course but also worked in the corporate world and long hours and

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poor sleep you know it all sort of spiraled very toxic workplace as well

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poor relationships develop you know friendships and so just lots and lots of things were happening

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and I just I'll just pause here and just get Professor Robin to jump in on that just because

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when you go and see a doctor normally I mean they don't necessarily take your whole life

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into consideration you know they're just looking for a few symptoms and try and put you in a box

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and label you but Professor Robin for you in this journey that we're taking towards divine health and

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bringing people out of whatever dysfunction that they're in into it actually experiencing

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the fullness of divine health for you when you're coaching someone to that journey it's about

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everything yeah very very much so a person is where they are in that point that I see them

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as a result of a myriad of factors that incorporate what's being passed through to

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them generationally whether that's spiritual whether it's it's physical whether it's emotional

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whether it's it's straight genetics so there's a lot of things that get passed through the what we

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call epigenetics effects on the genes that aren't actually in the genes so so it's what's come

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through to them what's happened to them you know through their early childhood what have been the

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extra factors there are there extra antibiotics were there lots of vaccines was their illness

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was their hospitalization was their separation from family for whatever reasons what was happening

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socially neglect abuse trauma exactly all of these things you know I believe myself that if

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all the doctor does is take a few physical symptoms and sticks that in a box and puts a label on it

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that is that is it's negligence because it's not just we are body soul spirit it is not just about

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what's happened or is happening right then physically what's happening right then physically

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is the summation of all of what has been before um

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whether we're talking last week, whether we're talking years ago,

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whether we're talking generationally, it's it's a

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summation of all of these. And it's different for each

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individual person according to their own genetic framework that

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it's happening on what their pattern.

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prayer, because even I mean, on earth as it is in heaven, and

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then the simplicity of forgiveness is how much of the I

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know, from my side of like, your prayer ministry, and whether

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it's casting out demons, or whether it's just praying for

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the sick, like, forgiveness is huge in the supernatural, but

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also just like bitterness, offense, forgiveness, how often

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would you say that, that that is connected to a person's health?

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Absolutely. I mean, the Bible speaks beautifully, doesn't it

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of a bitter root, you know, let there be no bitter root. And so

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the thing about holding negative past emotions and

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bitterness is a key one, it locks the body into holding

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patterns, it locks the mind into holding patterns that you can't

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break out of, until you deal with the root. Now, the concept,

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you know, Jesus, of course, love gardening concepts, and the

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concept of a tree and its root, you know, as a gardener, which

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which I am as well, if all you do is prune your tree, you take

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off the fruit, oh, dear, this is happening, let's just chop the

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fruit off. So we can't see it's happening, you know, we'll get

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the fruit. If all you do is do that, you've effectively pruned

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the tree. But as any gardener will tell you what happens when

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you prune a tree, it doesn't you have killed it. Yeah, it

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actually, it will actually reinvigorate, you know, it'll

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actually come back to to better life. So going just for

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symptoms, pruning the tree, chopping off the fruit does not

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solve your problem. You must track that back and see what is

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this a tree of? Is it is it bitterness? Is it what is it?

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What is what is this tree? And where are the roots? What are

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the roots and until you dig out the roots of whatever it is, the

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roots of of ongoing inflammation, the roots of

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bitterness, the roots of you go back and ask when did this first

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happen? You know, you got to go for the root. Once you get the

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root out, then the tree will die. You know, you can the body

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can reframe the brain can reframe new pathways can form

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you can clean your DNA, but you've got to get the root.

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So, Deanna, if we jump into your story, frame up again for us,

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some of the things that you say were like the key, like sources

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of dysfunction or toxicity, or creating. Yeah, I would say like

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those sources of those roots of dysfunction, what would you say

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some of the key ones were for you in your in your life at that

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So prior to kids, there was just this disconnection physically,

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mentally, spiritually. And there were cracks there, but I was

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very good at covering it up. We to the outside world, everything

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looked okay. And I think I've convinced myself that everything

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was okay as well. And the real issues for us began when my two

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little boys came along. So in a nutshell,

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how far apart are your boys?

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They're a little under two years apart. Okay. So we lived this,

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this story up until they were four and two years old. And so

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imagine two tiny humans that couldn't sleep. Every meal they

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were in pain, they're uncomfortable. We had

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assembled what we thought was just this incredible team, this

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incredible medical team. And it was over the course of an 18

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month period that we had this team of doctors and specialists.

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grow a centimetre. They did not put on a kilo, they just

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everything stopped. And we were in this holding pattern. And

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there was just this constant fear. There were periods where

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we were in hospital every other week. There was just suffering

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they it was just off. It was awful. And Dr. Cosby will attest

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to this. As a mother, when you can see your child suffering

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like this, you know, my, my oldest child, we couldn't get

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him out of the house. He had so much anxiety. Three year old at

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three years old, would just cry and wouldn't we couldn't get him

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out into the world. And my youngest at the time, had he was

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nonverbal.

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But you'd look into his eyes and you would just see this intelligence and he was he was

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trapped.

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They were both trapped in these bodies, but you just thought there's so much behind there.

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I jump in there and explain what diagnoses were, give people a background here.

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So Diana came to me through an organization called Reiser Reflux Infant Syndrome Association

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of Australia.

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So this is a newly formed, fairly newly formed organization because the numbers of babies

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now who are getting diagnosed medical gastro esophageal reflux disease is skyrocketing.

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So we've got tiny babies, newborn babies now even with such severe reflux that they are

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not able to eat.

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Many of these get stuck on in the tube feeding.

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They put on adult dose.

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So the boys came in being on on adult proton pump inhibitor drugs under the care of top

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gastroenterologists and and so on.

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I'll take some Losexomac, you know, the list goes on.

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Most of them also have have a paralysis in their lower gut.

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to actually get their bowels to work, to get them to empty.

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So they've clearly got nutritional problems.

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They've got nutritional problems.

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From that, they tend to get stories of recurrent infections.

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These kids are chronically, recurrently ill.

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They're not growing and they're neurodevelopmentally affected.

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So they're falling behind in their markers because the body is just losing so much energy,

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if you like, in trying to deal with the gut problems that it can't grow.

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They literally couldn't grow.

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And so this is becoming a growing problem.

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And I'm seeing a lot of a lot of these kids.

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I mean, when you say when you say a growing problem, we're talking like any idea of numbers.

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of guess this type of thing.

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But that's right.

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Yeah. Well, let's let's put it this way.

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We know that around 50 percent of kids now will have reflux or even higher.

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So a large percentage of those actually end up with a mild reflux disease that just the

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local doctors will put on proton pump inhibitors.

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But a percentage of that, again, make it up to the specialists and the specialists are

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getting swamped. The next stage of that, I have a friend, a colleague who is a pediatric

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gastro surgeon, surgeon.

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The next stage of that, when these bowels simply don't work, is these kids go to surgery

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and they end up chopping out part of the bowel because they can't get the bowels to work.

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I mean, this is a this is a crazy concept that also we're now normalizing dysfunction.

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So instead of I mean, this this shifts the whole mindset of how we view normal, what

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we're potentially going to see is that the next generation, when a doctor sees a child,

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that, you know, an abnormal child will be a child that's healthy and then normalizing

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dysfunction. But I want to jump into for you as a mom, there's some pressure points.

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You're married. But first, I want to talk about for you as a mom, I know as a dad, if

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something's wrong and it's out of your control, you can't help but feel like a failure.

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You can't help but feel this unbearable sense of pain from the out of control situation

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that your child is suffering.

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What was what was it like for you?

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How often were you crying yourself to sleep?

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What did it do to you?

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There wasn't much sleep, Benji.

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Exhausted. Our kids slept for a good three years there.

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We had three hours of broken sleep a night.

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So you can see what that does to a person's state of mind, our ability to function as a

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family, our relationships, just this whole scarcity factor, this fear just constantly

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playing out and what that does to a person or what it does.

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to our family, our extended family.

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We have a beautiful family who are amazingly supportive

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and that's what got us through this

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and what continues to get us through,

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you know, it takes a village, right?

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So we've been very, very lucky to be able to get

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through the other side of what we've had to experience.

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And it's been a journey and we're still on that journey.

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We still make mistakes.

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Our kids are still growing.

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back to grounds us and puts us back in,

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in a position more of,

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of empowerment and love is to just go back to the basics.

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And what Dr. Cosford has taught us is,

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you know, eat well, move well, move every day,

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connect with nature, connect with God

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and listen to your body.

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We forgot how to listen and we were set up in a system

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that did not value the family,

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did not value the mother.

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It was, there was a lot of control.

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So we didn't have that opportunity to ask.

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There were times where I would front up to our doctor

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and, you know, obviously started to do my research as well

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before we started to see Dr. Cosford.

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And I would ask questions and I would try to talk

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about nutrition and lifestyle and what can,

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what can we do to help our children between appointments?

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What else is there?

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Because we were one of those families

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and the tipping point for us was when our gastroenterologist

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turned around and said, your children,

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looked me in the eye and said,

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your children will never be normal.

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You will, you will have to do this surgery for them.

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the rest of their life.

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They will not have a normal childhood.

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And, and so they just, they'd set us up for failure,

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which was incredibly disappointing

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and made me very, very angry.

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into research, into, into educating myself, into,

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I mean, I experimented on myself first, right?

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Of course I changed my diet.

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I felt better.

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And as I started to improve, you know,

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I searched out people like Dr. Cosford

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and Dr. Cosford will remember this.

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I didn't even take my boys to the first appointment.

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By then we were, we were so concerned

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about putting them in front of somebody else

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because we'd had so many failures.

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interviewing Dr. Cosford and asking her about her approach

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and getting to know her.

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Before we, before we jump too deep into that point,

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I just want to like summarize,

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because I think, you know,

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so many people have been through this

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and are going through this right now,

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where they're being told it's all in their head.

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The medical system is like,

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just like doctors who are like power tripping on people.

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Doctors who, I would say in a sense,

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there's a level of narcissism there

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where they're terrified of being wrong.

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so often drives a level of narcissism in a person.

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that they will assert how right they are,

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regardless of the collateral damage

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that that might actually have on their patients,

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which is a terrible place to be.

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But if they're in that mindset,

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and so many are because the stories

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and in the comments for those that are watching,

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just let us know if you feel like your doctor

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has ever like just completely ridden over you

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and just kind of like trampled your thoughts

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or not really taking you seriously.

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But I just want to sum up what's the low point

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of the journey in the medical process that you have?

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And I'm not trying to be down on the system.

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There's so many wonderful doctors and that,

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but I'm just saying there is a lot of pain,

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unnecessary pain that people are going through.

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And for you on your journey, what was the low point?

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Where did you kind of come to and what brought you there?

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It was the day before we saw Dr. Cosford.

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I was sitting in a specialist appointment.

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It was with an immunologist

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that we'd waited quite a few months to see.

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And they tested the boys.

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They considered to be practical in their situation.

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And they sat me down and I had my husband next to me.

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And again, that bullying.

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what we spoke what you spoke about just now that that was very much our story for about 18 months

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you know you're the man he actually again very sternly looked at me and said you're the mother

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i'm the doctor and what you're doing here to your children looking at diet changes and lifestyle

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changes you are causing them immeasurable harm it is okay that they don't sleep through the night

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it is okay that they're not growing right now it is okay that they're crying this is normal

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normal behavior and he said i'm writing a letter and i'm going to show you this letter and i need

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you to go and see this specialist and this person and you need to start listening to us because you

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do not know what you were doing and you were doing so much harm to your children and he wrote this

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letter and i still have it um and i just remember my husband just placing his hand on my shoulder

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because he could just feel my he could just see me simmering um and um he my husband's wonderful he

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always brings his calm to the room and he's done that my whole life um and so we walked out of that

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room very calmly and walked into dr cosford's office the following day and it's just i can't

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tell you what a shift um and i'm sure we'll go into that but that was our low point that was

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your low point okay so uh professor robin what happened like she walks in your door what's your

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first uh what's your first thoughts is as she comes comes in to check you like because sometimes

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you can feel the atmosphere of a person coming into a room you know here she comes to interrogate

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you she's just had her low point and by this time like how many years have you been suffering as a

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family with trying to figure out what's wrong with your kids the boys were four and two so their whole

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lives which is i mean their whole lives they've been in majorly suffering four years is a long

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time to be in that place of desperation and unbearable feelings so what did you see as she

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came in the room what was what were you picking up i mean the other thing yana hasn't added there

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is that she's got her own story she had a very severe eczema and she had a lot of period and

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other problems as well so she had her own story well let's touch on that yana for yourself that's

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important as well what was going on for you um so

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i had lots of lessons before we got to dr robin and um that's how it is right until you start to

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listen uh so i had trouble falling pregnant i had an early miscarriage i um very i think i mentioned

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earlier i worked in a very toxic uh very high pressured job a lot of bullying there um it wasn't

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just about what i was doing in my life it was just my external environment um i worked in property so

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i worked in in plant rooms so a lot of uh electromagnetic fields and constantly in

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environments that were not conducive to my health at every level um and so my poor sleep and and all

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of these things led to me just being chronically unwell i had asthma my whole life but that

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started to come up as an issue again so a lot of respiratory distress um and just

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how long this is a real issue for so many people now but how long did it take you to get pregnant

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five years five years and what was was there something that changed in order to make that

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happen what what what was your story there um i had a wonderful um director in our business so

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there were some really good people that i worked with yeah and um i spoke to him and i said i think

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i need to leave this job it's just it's not good for my health and he said i need you to stay you're

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wonderful what you do um there are a lot of senior people in our team and um

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i worked that job from very young i got a graduate role in my first year of uni

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so i was in an environment with very senior people um and it was wonderful for my career but

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at that stage he turned around he said i don't want you to leave you take some time off

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um and so i did lots of a lot of gentle exercise changed my diet and met some wonderful people

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and in that period actually fell pregnant mom that's awesome but in a month's time after being

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that I would never fall pregnant naturally,

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that I would need IVF,

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that I had some serious health issues.

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In that one month of turning around my health

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and looking after myself, I felt pregnant.

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It was a good pregnancy,

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but both boys not understanding the medical system,

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not having, you know, I went through the system with them

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and there were emergency C-sections

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and the boys were born unwell, unfortunately,

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because I just, I didn't learn my lesson at that stage.

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I had the opportunity to,

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but I stepped right back into that corporate space.

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So I think Dr. Cosford touched on it previously.

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If we don't get to the root cause

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and we don't address those issues,

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and this has been a big lesson for me

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and it still comes up,

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if you don't do that properly,

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it's going to keep coming back on repeat.

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I understand.

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Yeah.

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And then you said you had a miscarriage as well,

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which again, so common and even like

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outrageously common right now,

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like through the roof right now.

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I mean, that's just a whole nother level of trauma

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and pain in that journey,

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but at what point was your miscarriage?

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Was it before the boys or?

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Before the boys, yeah.

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Okay.

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So you had a month off,

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you got pregnant and then you lost?

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Oh no, so then my first son came along.

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He was born early and,

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you know, most of our family had met my son

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before I got a chance to meet him.

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Oh, wow.

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Hmm.

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Because of the way the system works.

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So, you know, he was taken away

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and we were in special care for four weeks.

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So, I mean, he came home and we used to laugh about it,

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but they trained him Benji,

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he slept through the night

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and there was some serious health issues,

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but he was a very happy and calm child.

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And even though there were lots of warning signs

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because he slept in those initial periods

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and because he was this happy chucker,

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much of it,

481
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.760
and it was when his brother came along a few years later

482
00:32:38.760 --> 00:32:40.520
that we went, oh,

483
00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:42.960
and this was my second child,

484
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.200
we spent the first nine months of his life.

485
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.280
He was either, he was on me the entire time.

486
00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:50.120
Wow.

487
00:32:50.120 --> 00:32:51.680
Either slept on my chest

488
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.280
and it was the only way he could sleep

489
00:32:53.280 --> 00:32:55.720
or we carried him around all day.

490
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:56.560
Okay.

491
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.640
And then Dr. Robin,

492
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:03.680
you said there was a lot of period troubles there.

493
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:04.960
So what was that?

494
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.600
What was happening for you there, Yana?

495
00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:09.120
For, oh, I mean.

496
00:33:09.120 --> 00:33:10.160
Period issues.

497
00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:13.240
Oh, so just,

498
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.680
so PCOS, polycystic ovarian syndrome

499
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.360
was what I was diagnosed with.

500
00:33:19.360 --> 00:33:21.680
And that was why I was told

501
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.920
you're gonna have great difficulty falling pregnant,

502
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:25.240
staying pregnant.

503
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:28.080
But in the end,

504
00:33:28.080 --> 00:33:32.280
that mostly resolved through just sound nutrition

505
00:33:32.280 --> 00:33:34.600
and exercise.

506
00:33:34.600 --> 00:33:35.440
Amazing.

507
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.280
Fantastic.

508
00:33:36.280 --> 00:33:39.000
Okay, so Dr. Robin,

509
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.040
let's go back to you.

510
00:33:40.040 --> 00:33:41.880
This year, she comes into the room.

511
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.040
How are you reading the situation of what's coming up?

512
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:47.520
Well, I mean,

513
00:33:47.520 --> 00:33:49.800
we obviously have a very distressed young woman

514
00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:51.600
and we start off taking the story

515
00:33:51.600 --> 00:33:52.760
of what's going with the boys.

516
00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:54.920
And I always take stories in great detail

517
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:57.240
because really it's in the telling of the story

518
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.680
that you feel what's going on.

519
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.560
So we started with child number one,

520
00:34:01.560 --> 00:34:02.840
then we get to child number two,

521
00:34:02.840 --> 00:34:03.680
and then I'm going, right,

522
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.760
what actually happened in the pregnancies?

523
00:34:05.760 --> 00:34:07.280
Okay, tell me about your health.

524
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:09.400
What's the story with your health?

525
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.800
Tell me about the health of your mom and your dad.

526
00:34:12.600 --> 00:34:13.920
Okay, what about father's health?

527
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.360
Okay, what have we got there?

528
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:18.520
And so you start to pull this whole story together.

529
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.960
But again, because of the years I've been doing this,

530
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.440
within a first mouth open telling me something,

531
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:26.520
I basically know what's going on.

532
00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:29.080
But the rest of the history taking

533
00:34:29.080 --> 00:34:31.239
is so I can flesh out that story

534
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.080
so I can make sure there aren't any factors I've missed,

535
00:34:34.080 --> 00:34:38.239
but also so that I can then convey back to the patient

536
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:41.400
a picture, a complete picture of what's going on.

537
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.760
So it's like a label diagnosis.

538
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.719
Any other doctor can give you a label,

539
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.920
but really, what's your picture?

540
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:50.159
And because I find,

541
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:51.679
and I spent a lot of time explaining that,

542
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.360
that once, and I've got to stop saying patient now,

543
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:55.199
haven't I?

544
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.560
She was my patient, she's now my client.

545
00:34:58.560 --> 00:34:59.760
So anyway,

546
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.800
you've got the picture for the person

547
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.760
and they understand their picture,

548
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.000
then that empowers them to actually start looking

549
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.640
at that picture themselves

550
00:35:08.640 --> 00:35:12.640
and seeing what they can change in that picture themselves.

551
00:35:12.640 --> 00:35:15.880
So it's not so much I'm making a diagnosis,

552
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.480
I'm saying this is what you've got to do

553
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.200
to treat this thing.

554
00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:20.480
Yes, there's that component

555
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.400
because there are a lot of missed diagnoses.

556
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.080
I find with people an awful lot of misdiagnoses or-

557
00:35:25.080 --> 00:35:27.800
I mean, I always talk to people

558
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.120
about this kind of concept as well

559
00:35:29.720 --> 00:35:32.640
even spiritually, with our theology

560
00:35:32.640 --> 00:35:35.240
or wherever a person's at,

561
00:35:35.240 --> 00:35:36.640
there's this constant-

562
00:35:36.640 --> 00:35:39.760
I actually regularly talk about this,

563
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.520
how in the church we misdiagnose the issue

564
00:35:44.520 --> 00:35:48.360
and we treat the symptom as the root cause,

565
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.360
which is what you're saying is the cycle

566
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.040
that's so often in the medical system,

567
00:35:53.040 --> 00:35:56.520
identify the symptom and treat the symptom

568
00:35:56.520 --> 00:35:59.240
when it's exactly what you were saying.

569
00:35:59.240 --> 00:36:01.680
For example, when people are trying to resolve

570
00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:04.960
a sin issue or a behavioral issue or something in their life,

571
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.640
they identify the symptom, which is the behavior,

572
00:36:07.640 --> 00:36:09.280
they just try and stop it

573
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.480
without actually dealing with the root cause.

574
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:12.920
And what do you know, if you think about

575
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.040
wherever there's a fruit, there's a root,

576
00:36:16.040 --> 00:36:17.240
but if you don't deal with the root

577
00:36:17.240 --> 00:36:18.240
and you just pick the fruit,

578
00:36:18.240 --> 00:36:20.120
so we've got all these people just picking fruit

579
00:36:20.120 --> 00:36:22.800
and being surprised, like, oh my gosh, more fruit grew.

580
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.760
Well, wow, what a surprise.

581
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.160
I mean, you're going to have fruit every season.

582
00:36:26.520 --> 00:36:28.920
If you're in that mindset.

583
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.600
Yeah, that's exactly it.

584
00:36:31.600 --> 00:36:32.840
You know, that's what I was saying earlier,

585
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:34.880
that that is exactly it.

586
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.720
You know, that if all you do is symptom picking,

587
00:36:37.720 --> 00:36:40.160
and this is exactly what happens in medicine,

588
00:36:40.160 --> 00:36:42.680
symptom people stick those symptoms into the box.

589
00:36:42.680 --> 00:36:44.400
What's the label of the box for those symptoms?

590
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.240
What's the drug that fits the label

591
00:36:46.240 --> 00:36:48.120
for the box of those symptoms?

592
00:36:48.120 --> 00:36:50.600
Or sometimes if the drugs aren't working as,

593
00:36:50.600 --> 00:36:52.840
you know, we come to the case with the boys,

594
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:53.920
then they'll say, okay,

595
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.080
well, we can't get the drugs to work anymore.

596
00:36:56.080 --> 00:36:58.280
So we're going to chop something out.

597
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.040
So we'll send you to the clinic.

598
00:37:00.040 --> 00:37:01.720
And the bit that is not working,

599
00:37:01.720 --> 00:37:03.880
that's been complaining about what's going on,

600
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:05.080
well, we'll stop it complaining.

601
00:37:05.080 --> 00:37:07.240
Yeah, we'll fix your symptoms in that regard.

602
00:37:07.240 --> 00:37:08.200
We'll stop it complaining.

603
00:37:08.200 --> 00:37:09.560
We'll just take it out.

604
00:37:09.560 --> 00:37:11.920
You know, that's a great,

605
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.560
and if we can change how we're thinking about things

606
00:37:15.560 --> 00:37:18.840
and view symptoms instead of the body's way

607
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.240
of talking to us about something.

608
00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:23.520
So the body is trying to tell us something.

609
00:37:23.520 --> 00:37:25.440
It's trying to express something.

610
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.120
So rather than shut down the talking,

611
00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:29.600
shut down that expression,

612
00:37:29.600 --> 00:37:31.400
try and make the body shut up,

613
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.000
you go, well, why is it saying that?

614
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.320
What's going on here?

615
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.200
What does that mean?

616
00:37:37.200 --> 00:37:39.040
And you go down, you drill down,

617
00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:40.760
you find what that is.

618
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.280
And now certainly there aren't,

619
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:43.960
that's not to say there aren't times you don't,

620
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.160
the symptoms aren't so bad,

621
00:37:45.160 --> 00:37:46.400
you've got to treat symptoms.

622
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:47.240
That's true.

623
00:37:47.240 --> 00:37:48.080
You certainly do it.

624
00:37:48.080 --> 00:37:49.880
Oftentimes the symptoms are so horrendous,

625
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:51.160
we've got to treat symptoms,

626
00:37:51.160 --> 00:37:54.360
just because people are in too much distress.

627
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.520
But if all you do is treat the symptoms,

628
00:37:56.520 --> 00:37:58.760
you have not dealt with what's going on.

629
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.200
You must deal.

630
00:38:00.200 --> 00:38:02.600
That's an addiction cycle, isn't it?

631
00:38:02.600 --> 00:38:05.440
I mean, that's what addicts are always doing.

632
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.440
Addicts are just self-medicating a symptom,

633
00:38:09.720 --> 00:38:12.120
never treating a root cause,

634
00:38:12.120 --> 00:38:15.000
whatever the mental, spiritual, psychological,

635
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.240
emotional issue is,

636
00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:18.640
there they go just self-medicate.

637
00:38:18.640 --> 00:38:20.440
And in a sense, we're creating that,

638
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.320
and we're actually creating a world of addicts.

639
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.480
So often it's like, hey, let's self-medicate,

640
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:27.200
let's just treat the symptoms,

641
00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:28.040
and it's shallow.

642
00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:28.880
But what you're talking about,

643
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.080
and the whole ethos that we're actually exploring here

644
00:38:32.080 --> 00:38:33.640
in this Divine Health Summit,

645
00:38:33.640 --> 00:38:36.880
is there's actually a whole deeper level of psychology,

646
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.600
a deeper level of medicine,

647
00:38:38.600 --> 00:38:40.520
a deeper level of spirituality,

648
00:38:40.520 --> 00:38:42.160
a deeper level of theology,

649
00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:43.720
a deeper journey,

650
00:38:43.720 --> 00:38:44.960
that's actually going to,

651
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.960
at the very core of who we are,

652
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.080
bring a divine alignment,

653
00:38:49.080 --> 00:38:51.880
on a deeper level than the systems are talking about,

654
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:53.840
on a deeper level than the churches are talking about,

655
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.000
on a deeper level than people are actually realized

656
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:57.960
as even possible.

657
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.400
There's an opportunity for a massive kind of,

658
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:05.440
I would say, tectonic divine alignment within us,

659
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.720
that will shift things so radically

660
00:39:07.720 --> 00:39:10.880
that we go from the dysfunctional normal

661
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.480
that we've relabeled as dysfunction,

662
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.080
and actually experience such a shift

663
00:39:16.080 --> 00:39:18.160
that actually brings us back to Eden.

664
00:39:18.160 --> 00:39:21.280
It actually brings us back to a place of divine health

665
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.240
and fully experiencing that divine design

666
00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:25.080
that God's called us for,

667
00:39:25.080 --> 00:39:28.200
but it's going to require a much deeper level

668
00:39:28.200 --> 00:39:31.960
of alignment to take place.

669
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:34.360
Absolutely.

670
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:35.200
So let's-

671
00:39:35.200 --> 00:39:36.560
That's exactly right.

672
00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:41.560
Let's jump then to what started working for Jana,

673
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:43.760
for change.

674
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.320
It was a very quick change, Benji.

675
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:48.160
Wow.

676
00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:49.000
Yeah.

677
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:49.840
So-

678
00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:53.720
Actually, I think you chatted to me

679
00:39:53.720 --> 00:39:55.520
about this story a little bit.

680
00:39:55.520 --> 00:39:58.040
You kind of did this on the slide, didn't you?

681
00:39:58.040 --> 00:39:59.840
Your husband was away.

682
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:06.960
My husband had to go. I said he had a business trip. Yes. And by then he's like, so when we

683
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:14.320
went to the first appointment with Dr. Cosford, I walked away. I cried myself all the way home.

684
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:24.160
I had bags of supplements and all these pages of instructions. And I went, oh, this is this is too

685
00:40:24.240 --> 00:40:31.760
hard. And very overwhelming. Right. To finally have someone listen to your story and to have

686
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:39.120
a conversation with you and understand your pain and to tell you everything is going to be OK.

687
00:40:39.120 --> 00:40:47.680
And we we can heal the boys. Wow. That was the first appointment. And those were the words I

688
00:40:47.680 --> 00:40:56.320
walked away with. And it gave me so much hope. But I was also terrified what I needed to do

689
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:07.360
because it's it's not easy. And we will attest to this, that it is a big commitment to make

690
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.320
these changes, to have to take because the system controls everything. Right. And to

691
00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:18.880
finally have the opportunity to take control and to be part of your own healing. It's very

692
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:24.480
powerful. It's very scary. So I like I like a couple of things that I like, a couple of things

693
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:31.280
that you're bringing up here, like you've said there, it's not easy and it's hard. And this is

694
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.560
actually I'm going to have, especially with Joseph Wilson, we're going to go into a like

695
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:41.040
hack the psychology of transformation, because what you're touching on there is

696
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:46.800
some people would walk away and I'm sure you've got this, Dr. Cosford, that some people will walk

697
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.840
away from a meeting with you like that. That's extremely positive and never come back.

698
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:59.440
So fortunately, in a sense, my patients are still screened because it's a long wait,

699
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:04.960
months, six months, a long wait to get in. They've not they've not come in as a result of ads because

700
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:10.480
I don't advertise. It's all word of mouth. Every patient who's come to me before I started doing

701
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:16.560
this series has been word of mouth. Yes. Or maybe they've heard me speak at a medical conference,

702
00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:21.600
perhaps, but usually word of mouth. And so it's like they're sort of self-selected. They kind

703
00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:26.560
of already know they've got a bit of an idea of what they're going to be in for. Yeah. Okay.

704
00:42:30.640 --> 00:42:34.160
What you're saying is exactly correct. If you're in that bad a place,

705
00:42:34.160 --> 00:42:42.560
the way out is not easy. It is not a case of one single pill. That's not it. And it just the same

706
00:42:42.560 --> 00:42:49.280
as one single pill couldn't fix you in the other system. It is about we have to change everything.

707
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.880
We're changing mindset. We're changing your lifestyle. We're changing how you're living,

708
00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:00.800
how you're eating, what you're eating. And then because the system people are so sick,

709
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:06.320
unfortunately, this usually requires quite a lot of quite intense, if people are sick enough,

710
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:12.000
quite intense supplementation. And yes, this can be a challenge getting this into small children,

711
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:21.760
you know, but the proof's in the pudding. If people will do it. So I'd say 90% or more of

712
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:27.840
the people who come into me will follow through because they're through that filter system

713
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.760
already. Yeah. I guess. And I mean, they're paying a ridiculous, you know, they're paying

714
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:35.840
some serious money to come and be with you and they're in a place of real desperation.

715
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:41.920
I guess what I'm saying is, you know, like it's a lot of people wouldn't have the willpower and

716
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:48.160
this is something with raising royalty that we're so strong on is, you know, we have the 21 day hard

717
00:43:48.160 --> 00:43:52.480
things challenge that we're doing all the time. We're saying like one of our big mottos is we do

718
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:58.560
hard things and do hard things as often as possible and as hard as possible. Because when

719
00:43:58.560 --> 00:44:02.560
it comes to a moment like this, where you've got to you want to see transformation doesn't matter

720
00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:08.160
what area in your life where you want to see transformation, you can't do it without willpower

721
00:44:08.160 --> 00:44:13.520
and that willpower is the ability to do hard things. And so I guess what I'm really getting

722
00:44:13.520 --> 00:44:18.560
into is that you with that process of, you know, you're not just going through a medical journey

723
00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:22.080
here, you're going through a psychological journey as well. You're going through a neurological

724
00:44:22.080 --> 00:44:28.000
journey as well because of the place of overwhelm where actually this is so hard that even just your

725
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.560
brain circuits fry up because, you know, the neurological process of creating a new pathway,

726
00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:38.160
if your brain isn't in a place of neuroplasticity and malleable and ready for new information,

727
00:44:38.160 --> 00:44:42.000
ready to make changes, like you can hit overwhelm because, you know, when he went back,

728
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:46.160
didn't you just throw the supplements in the cupboard and just not talk to her for a while?

729
00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:53.760
Mm-hmm. I did. I came home so distressed. My husband said, what in the world? What have you

730
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:59.840
done? Who have you seen? What has happened? Put everything away. We cannot, we are not.

731
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.760
doing this to our children.

732
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.640
This is just, this is, this is crazy stuff.

733
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:07.640
You thought you were a hippie, right?

734
00:45:07.640 --> 00:45:10.080
Oh, I still carry that label,

735
00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:11.920
but I carry it proudly, Benji.

736
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:14.960
I'll just jump in on that,

737
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.240
because if there's any husbands out there watching

738
00:45:17.240 --> 00:45:21.360
whose wives have been out seeing a naturopath

739
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.440
or getting these like freaky hippie ideas,

740
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.200
I can kind of resonate with how they feel.

741
00:45:28.200 --> 00:45:30.520
One of the first experiences I had of that,

742
00:45:30.520 --> 00:45:34.600
of like a major like, oh, oh, okay,

743
00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:36.600
is when Alana said to me,

744
00:45:36.600 --> 00:45:39.360
I think we're going to have a home birth.

745
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.600
And I was like, what?

746
00:45:41.600 --> 00:45:43.480
That wasn't really something that I was used to.

747
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:44.880
I mean, we've had three home births

748
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.040
and we're about to have our fourth,

749
00:45:47.040 --> 00:45:52.040
but then, I mean, just sometimes like what's natural

750
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.880
and like the conversations that I'm not necessarily

751
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.040
even having, but I'm overhearing them having,

752
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.200
and I remember a conversation for us,

753
00:46:00.200 --> 00:46:04.640
it's like, she looked at all my fizzy drinks in the fridge

754
00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:07.600
and she's, this is over a decade ago now,

755
00:46:07.600 --> 00:46:09.880
but she's like, you see these,

756
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.560
she's like, we're not going to have these

757
00:46:12.560 --> 00:46:13.560
in the fridge in the future.

758
00:46:13.560 --> 00:46:15.120
And I was just like,

759
00:46:15.120 --> 00:46:17.320
there's something seriously wrong with you.

760
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.240
Like that's a non-negotiable to have the Cokes

761
00:46:21.240 --> 00:46:23.280
and that's a non-negotiable.

762
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:24.720
You're like, that's my happy place.

763
00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:26.880
You can't be talking about that.

764
00:46:27.720 --> 00:46:29.800
But anyway, like all of that's had a complete overhaul,

765
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.320
ridiculous conversations about moon cups and stuff.

766
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:34.240
I'm like, I don't even want to know what's going on here,

767
00:46:34.240 --> 00:46:36.120
but like this whole hippie world, I'm just like,

768
00:46:36.120 --> 00:46:38.120
whoa, so for the husbands out there,

769
00:46:38.120 --> 00:46:39.720
just give me like, yeah, I've had that.

770
00:46:39.720 --> 00:46:42.640
When your wife gets on the natural train,

771
00:46:42.640 --> 00:46:45.640
there's some big mindset shifts that have to take place.

772
00:46:45.640 --> 00:46:49.960
So there you were, husband freaks out, what do you do?

773
00:46:51.200 --> 00:46:53.440
I waited until he was away for,

774
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:54.880
I think we're talking about it the other day,

775
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.440
he was away for two and a half weeks.

776
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.960
And so by the time you come back,

777
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:02.400
I'd implemented everything.

778
00:47:04.120 --> 00:47:07.760
And I guess the message I have for people is,

779
00:47:09.120 --> 00:47:14.120
we came from the absolute depths of despair and disease

780
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:18.200
that we couldn't, we had to do this consistently

781
00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:22.320
and we had to do it well and we had to do everything.

782
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.240
And what I've learned is,

783
00:47:24.240 --> 00:47:26.880
and when we're still piecing the puzzle together is,

784
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.080
there are so many pieces to all of this.

785
00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:30.320
And you both touched on this,

786
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.760
it's not just about what's going into our mouths,

787
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.880
it's what we're putting on our bodies,

788
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.880
it's our water, it's our environment.

789
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.200
So we absolutely threw ourselves

790
00:47:42.200 --> 00:47:46.680
into making these changes.

791
00:47:47.640 --> 00:47:50.080
And my husband thankfully has,

792
00:47:50.080 --> 00:47:52.440
I mean, he's such a big supporter now,

793
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:53.520
we met Dr. Cosford,

794
00:47:53.520 --> 00:47:55.840
I think he came along to an appointment six months in

795
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.600
and he said, I have to meet this woman.

796
00:47:58.600 --> 00:48:02.040
And of course he absolutely adores Robin

797
00:48:02.040 --> 00:48:05.240
and is so grateful for everything that she's done for us.

798
00:48:06.520 --> 00:48:11.520
And he's become our biggest supporter in all of this.

799
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:16.880
And eventually our family came around,

800
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:18.120
have a Greek background.

801
00:48:18.120 --> 00:48:21.280
So to say to family, we cannot eat this anymore

802
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:22.400
and we can't go there

803
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.320
because they'll be exposed to things

804
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.880
that they can't be exposed to.

805
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.360
Food for us is so entrenched in our culture and who we are.

806
00:48:32.720 --> 00:48:34.280
But long story short,

807
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.480
all those traditional recipes now,

808
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.640
we've managed to make changes

809
00:48:39.640 --> 00:48:43.640
and to do things in a way that our family

810
00:48:43.640 --> 00:48:47.040
has really come together on all of this now.

811
00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:49.560
So it's really, it was a journey.

812
00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:53.360
Wow, so your husband gets back after two and a half weeks

813
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:58.360
to a completely revolutionized home, family.

814
00:48:58.600 --> 00:49:01.040
What's different when he walks back in the door?

815
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.560
For starters, and this is just so incredible.

816
00:49:06.680 --> 00:49:10.400
Two weeks in, my second child,

817
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.360
who we were told,

818
00:49:15.080 --> 00:49:17.640
they started to try and put a label on him

819
00:49:17.640 --> 00:49:20.160
and a diagnosis of autism.

820
00:49:20.160 --> 00:49:21.960
He was non-verbal.

821
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:26.680
He was speaking in complete sentences for the first time.

822
00:49:26.680 --> 00:49:30.520
So this is a child that could barely get a word out,

823
00:49:30.520 --> 00:49:35.520
who was just, he's my chatterbox now.

824
00:49:35.600 --> 00:49:39.400
We laugh, but he was talking

825
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.320
and they started to sleep through the night.

826
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.800
Their energy started to regulate.

827
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.400
They were very up and down all day,

828
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:52.000
this anxiety, excitement, exhaustion, excitement,

829
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.000
bouncing off the walls, couldn't get them off the couch.

830
00:49:56.120 --> 00:49:59.640
So, and then within three to four months.

831
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.440
we were discharged by all of our specialists in particular our gastroenterologist and I remember

832
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:15.920
this meeting. Did you say how long? It was four months of medication free and that was the period

833
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.960
where we were supposed to be having surgery for the boys. Wow and this is only moments after they've

834
00:50:23.040 --> 00:50:30.000
said to you as well you're a terrible mother you're destroying your children. I was still

835
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.760
a terrible mother at that stage and they didn't I mean we couldn't have been pushed out of that

836
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:46.960
clinic fast enough they didn't want to listen to what we had done. They turned around and said oh

837
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.800
it can't be nutrition it can't be your lifestyle they've just they've grown out of it and I just

838
00:50:53.520 --> 00:50:59.440
to this day I don't understand that they didn't want to engage you know they just didn't want to

839
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:07.840
engage. It's like a hypnosis or like it's such a strong delusion it's almost a hypnosis it's

840
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:15.520
it's like a it almost seems like a spell that they're under. And I've learned now that

841
00:51:16.240 --> 00:51:21.680
they don't learn about nutrition so if you don't know about something how can you bring that into

842
00:51:21.680 --> 00:51:31.280
your into your repertoire? Yeah and maybe this is what I'm kind of touching on as well in a sense

843
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:36.960
with the mild levels of mild levels of narcissism and you know which is basically pride and arrogance

844
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:42.800
well you know the saying is pride is blind that I've studied for maybe 10 years it's not not it's

845
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:49.440
not easy to become a doctor so there you go you study for all this time but then some random mum

846
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:54.480
comes in off the street and says um what about nutrition you're like well I just spent 10 years

847
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.800
studying how to fix people and we didn't even talk about it because so it's obviously not important

848
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:06.800
you know um as opposed to thinking oh wow this really worked you know like it's just you know

849
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:14.560
that's what I mean it seems like a uh uh these are the fancy word for it but you know like a

850
00:52:14.560 --> 00:52:20.160
hypnosis a delusion this blindness that you can't see a cognitive dissonance I think is the

851
00:52:21.120 --> 00:52:29.040
is the word exactly it's a great term yeah and that's exactly it sorry I think my internet's

852
00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:35.120
gone a bit funny oh yeah that's it yeah we we are through medical school your doctors

853
00:52:35.120 --> 00:52:39.360
if medical school is run and owned by the pharmaceutical industry and through medical

854
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:45.920
school doctors are taught purely this this on algorithms really they're not taught to critically

855
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:50.400
think they're taught on algorithms like these symptoms what are the things that could cause you

856
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:54.960
know what are the diagnoses not so much the things will cause it what are your diagnoses

857
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:59.600
what are your possible diagnoses which one is it um which is the pharmaceutical for that box

858
00:52:59.600 --> 00:53:04.720
which is a pharmaceutical for that box at no stage is it what lifestyle changes might impact on that

859
00:53:04.720 --> 00:53:10.720
what trends might impact yeah what you know what which is the pharmaceutical for that box and and

860
00:53:10.720 --> 00:53:15.280
you're also taught right from the beginning when you first start to give your case presentations

861
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:21.760
and I've never forgotten this the very first case presentation I gave um I was told no you don't say

862
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:27.680
you think you say it is so so we are trained right from the word go just to be dogmatic and say

863
00:53:27.680 --> 00:53:33.200
this is this you're not allowed to say look it could be this or it could be that or you know no

864
00:53:33.200 --> 00:53:40.480
this is this you know what cracks me up uh when you go to the doctors now and I don't I mean I

865
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:49.840
can't even remember last time I was at the doctors but uh um I mean this must have been a few years

866
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:54.720
ago when I was at the doctors and they were like oh yeah okay cool and they're putting it into Google

867
00:53:54.720 --> 00:54:02.720
right in front of you and you're like what why have I come here when right and like you're right

868
00:54:02.720 --> 00:54:06.880
in front of me all you're doing is what I could be doing at home is you're just putting what I'm

869
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:14.880
saying into Google okay I'm like what what's going on here anyone could be googling this stuff

870
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:20.400
but if I google it and come here you tell me I'm you know like I'm crazy but you're googling it

871
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:27.760
right in front of me it's like what is going on here um I don't think that's that's normal

872
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:32.960
medical management I don't think so it's it's honestly it's more and more common and actually

873
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.760
I'll tell you another interesting thing in New Zealand is just around who doesn't doesn't go to

874
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.120
the doctors there's a an area you know down south in New Zealand that recently reached a hundred

875
00:54:43.120 --> 00:54:49.760
percent um on the you know vaccination status and then a whole bunch of the people in the town were

876
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.800
like what like none of us are like none of us have had the jab how did you get a hundred percent

877
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:59.920
but the statistics in New Zealand aren't based off population they're based off users of

878
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:07.200
the medical system. So you can have a hundred percent without everyone being jabbed because

879
00:55:07.200 --> 00:55:13.200
actually just based not on actual population but based on the number of users of the medical system

880
00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:18.320
so if you haven't been to the doctor within that last 12 month period you're not even included in

881
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:24.400
the statistics which is a huge number of the population that doesn't go to the doctor every

882
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.520
year you know it can be years if you're healthy it can be years before you need to pop in there

883
00:55:30.560 --> 00:55:37.120
so that's a really good point let's start bringing this into in for a landing Jana

884
00:55:41.200 --> 00:55:45.760
what's the what's the difference at the end of the day what's the difference between

885
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:54.560
where you were as a family at your low point versus where you are now and I'm keen to hear

886
00:55:54.560 --> 00:56:01.840
a couple things like just like your quality of life then and now but also the rhythm of life

887
00:56:03.680 --> 00:56:08.320
meaning you know like how you guys because I think this is the something that I want to

888
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:16.320
really help people catch in the summit is that there's a every every rhythm and it's like this

889
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:25.360
whole concept of you know a root produces a fruit but every rhythm produces a produces a life you

890
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:31.520
know like every lifestyle produces a quality a quality of life so I'm just keen to hear what

891
00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:37.680
changed on those two levels you know at your at your worst what was the rhythm like and what was

892
00:56:37.680 --> 00:56:47.360
the quality of life like to where it is now um we didn't we didn't live we were trapped um

893
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:58.400
the you know if you don't have your health you don't have really anything um so we had to

894
00:56:59.680 --> 00:57:05.280
take quite a few steps back to work that out and there were lots of lessons along the way

895
00:57:06.240 --> 00:57:11.440
um and it was a difficult thing to embark on um

896
00:57:17.040 --> 00:57:19.920
it's very hard to unlearn what you've learned your whole life

897
00:57:21.200 --> 00:57:26.320
um I grew up in a very traditional family where you know taught to respect my elders

898
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:34.000
listen to those in authority so um what I haven't mentioned is once the boys started to heal

899
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:42.160
Dr Cosford said to me you need to come and see me as my patient so um I think mothers

900
00:57:43.520 --> 00:57:50.320
you know we're so central to this world to our families when women are empowered and when we

901
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:57.840
see this at a wider scale in in communities and and around the world that when women are

902
00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:04.720
given the opportunity to learn to be educated um and that's part of the reason why I've gone back

903
00:58:04.720 --> 00:58:13.040
to university now um because I realized very quickly on that to be able to have a conversation

904
00:58:13.040 --> 00:58:19.760
and to be able to advocate for my children and and help other families because ultimately

905
00:58:20.560 --> 00:58:25.120
when we started to see so many changes I wanted to just shout it from the rooftops

906
00:58:25.120 --> 00:58:31.200
but to be able to do that you have to you really have to learn it and and learn those lessons

907
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:40.960
um so for us it was just unlearning and learning again and making a lot of mistakes and um

908
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:43.520
and relying on each other and just really

909
00:58:46.080 --> 00:58:51.040
coming together and realizing that the only way we could do this was to step away from all that

910
00:58:51.120 --> 00:58:56.560
fear and control and to learn to listen to our bodies and we've each had to do that you know

911
00:58:56.560 --> 00:59:03.680
my children do it so beautifully um in their own way and we've we've instilled that in them now

912
00:59:03.680 --> 00:59:09.840
and um it's just been you know it's been eight years of this and

913
00:59:13.040 --> 00:59:20.400
had to just rethink how we do life and put our health first and realize that it was you know

914
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:30.720
a great financial um exercise and on that I mean people spend their life trading their health for

915
00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:37.280
their wealth yes and then once they've done that they realize flip what have I done and spend the

916
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:43.120
rest of their life trading their wealth for their health exactly and I'm so grateful that we had that

917
00:59:43.120 --> 00:59:52.160
lesson so early on so that um you know we poured everything into this and we've reaped the rewards

918
00:59:52.160 --> 00:59:57.520
and now we've come full circle because you know even something as simple as being able to sleep

919
00:59:57.520 --> 00:59:59.920
through the night and then be productive at work and

920
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.000
and be present in our relationships and have a full life.

921
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:10.080
And, you know, our kids seeing them thrive

922
01:00:10.080 --> 01:00:12.920
and just live in this joy

923
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:16.720
and not have these limitations on us anymore.

924
01:00:16.720 --> 01:00:19.240
It just opens up your whole world.

925
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:22.440
And so that's us now.

926
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.520
And, you know, you see these boys

927
01:00:25.520 --> 01:00:27.040
and Dr. Cosper will attest to this

928
01:00:27.040 --> 01:00:29.800
and their younger sister who came along

929
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:31.800
after I started to heal.

930
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.840
I mean, I've got two boys who are so unwell

931
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.480
and a younger child now

932
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.360
who have such different health stories.

933
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:42.440
And so we've lived that

934
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:47.440
and I can absolutely attest to the fact that nutrition

935
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.800
and it's just the underlying foundation of everything.

936
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.280
I mean, Dr. Cosper says it often

937
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.840
and I share this with everyone

938
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.720
that you cannot out supplement a bad diet

939
01:00:58.720 --> 01:01:03.720
and that's what ultimately, you know,

940
01:01:04.160 --> 01:01:06.880
led me to go and study further.

941
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:10.280
But also to do that again

942
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:12.040
was to be able to advocate for others

943
01:01:12.040 --> 01:01:17.040
and come into a position where I think

944
01:01:17.520 --> 01:01:21.160
that there's so much value in having the system,

945
01:01:21.160 --> 01:01:23.480
the medical system and having what we have

946
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:27.360
and having those meet

947
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.400
and you need both.

948
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.240
And that's what we've-

949
01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:31.920
Complimentary.

950
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:36.480
And I think there's a level of, you know,

951
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.880
I think there's huge opportunity

952
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:43.160
for renovating the system

953
01:01:43.160 --> 01:01:45.240
and making it more complimentary.

954
01:01:47.240 --> 01:01:48.080
Yeah, which is exciting.

955
01:01:48.080 --> 01:01:49.080
Well, that is beautiful.

956
01:01:49.080 --> 01:01:52.720
Let me, I wanna get a couple of other little juicy bits

957
01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:53.960
out of you before we go on,

958
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:56.200
but marriage life before,

959
01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:57.880
how was the pressure on your relationship

960
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.880
with you not sleeping and everything's just chaos?

961
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:02.680
What was the marriage like?

962
01:02:02.680 --> 01:02:03.760
It was hard.

963
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:06.240
You know, we were like passing ships in the night

964
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.120
and to be able to do this,

965
01:02:10.120 --> 01:02:12.680
my husband had to work so much harder

966
01:02:14.040 --> 01:02:19.040
to be able to afford this type of care.

967
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.760
It was difficult.

968
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:22.840
Yeah.

969
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.320
And it created a lot of tension.

970
01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:29.960
But once we started to see

971
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:33.400
and very quickly see the changes in our children,

972
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:35.600
you can't put a price on that.

973
01:02:35.600 --> 01:02:36.440
Yeah.

974
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:40.680
And we did everything in our power

975
01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:45.240
to do whatever it took to help them heal

976
01:02:45.240 --> 01:02:47.400
and to give them an environment

977
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:51.440
where they could reach their genetic potential.

978
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:52.560
Cool.

979
01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:55.160
So marriage nowadays,

980
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:57.760
like marriage is always a journey,

981
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:01.240
but in just in terms of not having that level of pressure,

982
01:03:01.240 --> 01:03:02.440
what's the difference?

983
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:06.280
We're able to have a relationship again.

984
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:11.160
And honestly, because it's so all encompassing

985
01:03:11.160 --> 01:03:13.880
when you have an unwell child.

986
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:17.000
I don't, I can't directly tell you the statistics,

987
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.520
but I know that these parents that have autistic children

988
01:03:20.520 --> 01:03:21.720
that have children that are unwell,

989
01:03:21.720 --> 01:03:23.880
the divorce rate is so much higher.

990
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:25.720
And I've lived it,

991
01:03:25.720 --> 01:03:29.440
so I know what it's like to have that experience.

992
01:03:30.600 --> 01:03:33.360
And it made not just married life difficult,

993
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.720
it made all of our relationships difficult.

994
01:03:35.720 --> 01:03:36.600
Yeah.

995
01:03:36.600 --> 01:03:41.600
Because when people don't understand your situation

996
01:03:42.120 --> 01:03:45.000
and they don't leave it, they see it from the outside.

997
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:49.000
We had people show us a lot of,

998
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.200
I mean, not just our medical professionals,

999
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.120
but our family, our friends,

1000
01:03:54.120 --> 01:03:56.960
not understanding what we were going through.

1001
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:00.720
There was a lot of anger and confusion.

1002
01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:02.880
So we had to navigate that.

1003
01:04:04.120 --> 01:04:08.640
And just very, there was a level of stubbornness on my part

1004
01:04:08.640 --> 01:04:11.400
when we just went, no, we're doing this, it's working.

1005
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.000
It may not be your cup of tea,

1006
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.080
and that this is working for us.

1007
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.640
And yeah, that's-

1008
01:04:18.640 --> 01:04:19.480
That's amazing.

1009
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:24.480
Now, your family now, so you've got a little girl.

1010
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:25.840
So how old is everyone now?

1011
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:27.320
Like, where are you guys at now?

1012
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.320
So the boys are 11 and nine,

1013
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:33.600
and the little one is five and a half.

1014
01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:34.880
That's amazing.

1015
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:35.800
Beautiful.

1016
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.720
Okay, well, we're gonna break it into a close now.

1017
01:04:39.720 --> 01:04:41.800
I've just got a couple of thoughts.

1018
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:42.640
Can I have a word-

1019
01:04:42.640 --> 01:04:44.680
Yeah, I'd like to hand over to you.

1020
01:04:44.680 --> 01:04:46.040
Yeah, I'd like to hand over to you

1021
01:04:46.040 --> 01:04:48.880
to chuck in final thoughts.

1022
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.000
Then we'll do one more final thoughts from Yana

1023
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:53.840
before we bring it up.

1024
01:04:55.720 --> 01:04:58.480
Yeah, so what I'd love to just quickly point out here

1025
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:00.480
is the whole of Yana's, because it's a-

1026
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:05.200
Total Family Story also illustrates this thing which I love, which is taking your mum who's got

1027
01:05:05.200 --> 01:05:12.080
all these health problems, had all these problems, and proven effects of how that affects children,

1028
01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:16.800
childbirth, the health of the next generation. So we already had that story with, you know,

1029
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:22.640
kids get fixed up young and gets fixed up. What happens? She's pregnant again with another child.

1030
01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:29.040
Is the story the same? Totally, totally different. I have this little group that I love and I call

1031
01:05:29.600 --> 01:05:35.840
these are my perfect pregnancies, perfect babies. When you do everything, how God intends,

1032
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:41.440
bringing it into line with how God intends, this is your story. Your pregnancy outcomes are totally

1033
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:46.240
different. The child outcome is totally different. These children look different. They behave

1034
01:05:46.240 --> 01:05:52.160
differently. Their neurodevelopmental processing and development is different. Their health

1035
01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:57.680
parameters in terms of getting sick, you know, is different. These perfect ones come this way

1036
01:05:57.680 --> 01:06:04.480
after mum's been cleaned up, don't get sick. You know, they're textbook beautiful babies and

1037
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:11.360
beautiful even timber young children. It's a totally, totally different story. And so that's

1038
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:16.640
for me, is the real fruit is where I see not just, you know, the rest of the family changed

1039
01:06:16.640 --> 01:06:21.120
then and the other children restored, but where there's a new one who comes in and this little

1040
01:06:21.120 --> 01:06:27.520
one, it, for me, it's like a restoration for the family. You know, it's like this is,

1041
01:06:27.520 --> 01:06:32.560
this is kind of, this is your, this is your icing on the cake. This is your, this is your seal for,

1042
01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:40.560
you know, for all of what you've done. And I love that. Now, so Robin, you kind of in business,

1043
01:06:40.560 --> 01:06:46.080
you sometimes call it the upstream and the downstream, but you, you've seen the new generations,

1044
01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:52.080
but also the older generations and Yana's family as well. So what's happened on the,

1045
01:06:52.080 --> 01:06:54.720
what's happened on the upstream, what's happened for the older generations?

1046
01:06:56.160 --> 01:07:01.760
Well, what you're able to do as you move into the older generations is, is change long-term

1047
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:06.320
patterns of disease and bring them back into a place of health. So what's happening for most

1048
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:11.600
people these days, as they get older, is they're faced with many, many years of what we call

1049
01:07:11.600 --> 01:07:17.600
morbidity. You know, they, they've got many years of like degenerative diseases and really not

1050
01:07:17.600 --> 01:07:24.000
doing very well. When the, the older generation encompass this, what happens is to a degree,

1051
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:31.840
those degenerative diseases will reverse. So yes, you still have older age, you know, we age that's,

1052
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:37.680
that's written in the system that that's going to happen, but, but, but you can do that healthily.

1053
01:07:38.240 --> 01:07:44.000
And so, so what we're able to do is make it that, that they stay healthy, healthy, healthy until

1054
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.000
it is their time to go. And of course, that's a whole separate question of, as we push into

1055
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:53.040
stuff with the Lord about, you know, are we meant to be eternal beings on this earth here now? And

1056
01:07:53.040 --> 01:07:57.120
I'm pushing more into that one, but that's a slightly separate story, you know, but, but yeah,

1057
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:05.680
as you, there is no, I guess what I'm saying here is there is no age limit on, on the effects that

1058
01:08:05.680 --> 01:08:10.640
the body will have, the effects it will have on the body. As you change your diet, as you change

1059
01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:15.760
your lifestyle, you come, it's, it's really all about coming into line with God. As we come into

1060
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:21.439
line with God, then that, that life, that spirit, the water of life, you know, is going to flow

1061
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:25.520
through you. You can be looking at a beautiful waterfall, but if you don't stand under it,

1062
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.720
you're not, all you're going to do is look at it. You're not going to get the effect.

1063
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:33.920
And so that's what we have to do. You know, we've got to choose to come into alignment

1064
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:38.080
with, with where God is, what God's doing, what, what God has made for us, how God's made it. And

1065
01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:44.800
if we do that, the system, you know, things change. Absolutely. And then the topic of telomeres is a

1066
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:50.479
whole nother question. The topic of epigenetics, a whole nother question. Beautiful, beautiful

1067
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:57.359
conversations to be had for another time there. That's exciting. How, last thing I want to just

1068
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:04.160
ask Yana, if you were speaking right now, kind of in the middle of a deep and meaningful heart

1069
01:09:04.160 --> 01:09:11.279
to heart with someone else who is where you were right now, what would you say to them as they just

1070
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:25.120
kind of working through this and trying to take their next best steps? That with God and with love

1071
01:09:25.120 --> 01:09:35.200
you, there are no limits, you know, we can and we can reach our potential. We can change our story

1072
01:09:36.080 --> 01:09:44.880
and there is always hope. It doesn't matter where you're coming from. Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful.

1073
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:51.120
And, and on that note, our next session with Matt Lansdowne at 1pm New Zealand time. Now,

1074
01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:59.280
whether you're going to be checking this out on the live or on the replay, it's

1075
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.160
you know, you want to catch this next session, because we've got

1076
01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:05.200
a supernatural healing session, where we'll be actually just

1077
01:10:05.200 --> 01:10:08.880
talking about some really powerful testimonies of

1078
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.840
miracles that have actually just done what's actually, you know,

1079
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:14.240
because you've got what's naturally possible. And then

1080
01:10:14.240 --> 01:10:18.160
you've got what's okay, even with nutrition, we can't fix

1081
01:10:18.160 --> 01:10:22.000
this. But then there's the with divine health, it has a

1082
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:26.720
supernatural element, which is a naturally we can't do this.

1083
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:28.880
But like what you just said, there was God, there's actually

1084
01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:33.040
no limits. And there's hope in any circumstance. And so Matt's

1085
01:10:33.040 --> 01:10:35.760
going to be sharing some phenomenal testimonies with us

1086
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:38.960
of this radical supernatural healing, and we'll be having a

1087
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:43.760
healing meeting as well. So anyone who's like, yes, please,

1088
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:48.400
I could do with some healing right now, jump on board. With

1089
01:10:48.400 --> 01:10:51.760
that, it's going to be really, really beautiful time, you're

1090
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.000
going to be really encouraged. So whether you need healing or

1091
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.040
not, it's going to be a fantastic session with amazing

1092
01:10:57.040 --> 01:11:03.280
testimonies. And yeah, we're going to love it. So Dr. Robin,

1093
01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:06.240
would you like to close off for us in prayer as we wrap this up?

1094
01:11:06.240 --> 01:11:09.600
And everyone, thank you so much. Be great to hear from you. What

1095
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.080
you've loved about the session, just drop in there in the

1096
01:11:12.080 --> 01:11:15.280
comments, you know, what you appreciate for these lovely

1097
01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:18.640
ladies. And we'll have Jana back with us on our last session

1098
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:24.080
of the summit on Monday afternoon, which is going to be

1099
01:11:24.080 --> 01:11:30.000
fantastic. And then Professor Robin Cosford will be taking

1100
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:34.480
the afternoon sessions for us. She's got three really powerful

1101
01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:38.560
sessions that are going to be, you know, building on one

1102
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:40.560
another, which is going to be really powerful. So that's

1103
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:46.080
4pm New Zealand time for the next three days. So there's a

1104
01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:48.880
lot to look forward to in the summit. If you can't catch the

1105
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.520
lives, catch the replays, but it's going to be beautiful. And

1106
01:11:52.320 --> 01:11:55.440
yeah, Dr. Robin, if you'd like to finish for us in prayer,

1107
01:11:55.440 --> 01:11:55.920
be amazing.

1108
01:11:58.080 --> 01:12:03.520
Yeah, dear Lord. We just thank you that you're a loving father

1109
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:08.000
and your plans for us and your plans for our lives, our plans

1110
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.680
for good, not for evil, for hope for a future. We thank you

1111
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:14.880
that you are the author of life, that you breathed your life

1112
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:18.400
into us, you made us out of the dust, and you breathed your

1113
01:12:18.400 --> 01:12:22.080
life into us. And so we thank you as we learn how to breathe

1114
01:12:22.080 --> 01:12:29.040
in that breath of life as we learn how to flow with you and

1115
01:12:29.040 --> 01:12:31.280
with that life that you are bringing that life through and

1116
01:12:31.280 --> 01:12:36.160
restoring that to every cell in our bodies. We thank you for

1117
01:12:36.160 --> 01:12:39.200
the promise of life that the law of the spirit of life has set

1118
01:12:39.200 --> 01:12:42.400
us free from the law of sin and death. And we can make that

1119
01:12:42.400 --> 01:12:46.320
choice Lord to choose life and come in line with you with your

1120
01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:51.680
word with your promises. Then we will see life. We thank you.

1121
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:57.360
Mighty God, we just thank you in Jesus name. Amen.

1122
01:12:58.400 --> 01:13:03.200
Amen. Well, everyone, bless you, love you. And we'll catch you

1123
01:13:03.200 --> 01:13:06.400
real soon. In the next session, watch your emails for the link

1124
01:13:06.400 --> 01:13:10.720
to join us live. And yeah, love you all. Bless you, fam. Thanks

1125
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.440
very much, ladies. Give them some appreciation, big claps

1126
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:16.560
around. Love you very much and honor you and thank you once

1127
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.160
again. Bye bye.