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Recording. And we are live.

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Oh, hey, family, here we are again.

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And it is such an honor

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right now to be here with Daniel and Sabrina.

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And we're going to hear a whole lot of dynamic stories today,

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which are going to be really good.

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We're going to be hearing about overcoming injury and disappointment

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and all the challenges that go with that.

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And then just some of the blessings that come from blindsides.

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It's going to be really good.

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You're going to love Daniel and Sabrina.

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Their story is amazing.

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And I'm going to do my classic and I'm going to check the tech in a second,

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make sure we're streaming everywhere we're supposed to be.

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But as we do that, Daniel and Sabrina, I've been asking everyone

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like, what is your what's like the rhythm of your day?

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What is the rhythm of your life look like?

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How does your day start?

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So tell me about your rhythm today.

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Like, what have you guys been up to so far today and where are you

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and what time is it and what's been happening today?

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Yeah, first of all, welcome.

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I mean, you can probably already hear that from my accent

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that we are not from normally like English speaking countries.

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So we are originally from Germany, but we are right now here

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in the United States and in Virginia.

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I mean, currently for a job.

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And how does our morning look like?

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So basically today, like we said, you know what?

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It's cold outside.

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We want to go in the mountains.

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So we actually, you know, just woke up like did some

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just, you know, pray time, just some watching church live, so to speak.

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And then we went right away to the mountains and said, OK,

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we're going to do this trail.

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And, you know, that's often what we what we like, especially on the weekends

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where, you know, we especially use in the morning, like

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a power drink that just gets us started for the day.

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And then we really hit there and just try to to conquer that mountain.

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That's always like a great story.

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And so get us out there in nature, fresh air

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and have some fun and play time for sure as well.

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So, yeah, but right now in here in the United States,

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it's a little bit different than in New Zealand, for example.

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We have winter time, so we have also a lot of snow and a lot of ice.

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So it was a big challenge this morning, but so much fun, so much fun.

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Nice. Very cool.

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Well, it is a real honor to have both of you with us all the way from Virginia.

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And as you guys said, you're originally from Germany, but now in the States.

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And we're going to have a great time

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together and hear some stories and hear some

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really powerful insights as well, which is going to be fantastic.

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But how about we start with prayer?

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And if you guys would be happy to pray for us to kick off,

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that would be fantastic.

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Yes, let's do that.

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Heavenly Father, we just thank you and praise you for this time.

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We thank you for the resources and the speakers

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and just what you have created here with Benji and Dr.

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Robin and all these speakers so far.

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I just honor and thank you for the wisdom and the knowledge that's been shared.

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And Father, especially your glory and your grace towards your people.

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God, I just thank you for this space that you've created,

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that we get to share humbly our story, these people and whatever

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your message is to these individuals, people that we just

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ask you to just bless them and to just revive them,

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to give them a message that gives them hope and a future and a life.

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And so just as we're here today,

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just be among us, just show your presence and just show that joy

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that we get to have while just being in your presence.

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Father, thank you and I praise you in Jesus name. Amen.

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Amen. Oh, thank you.

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So good. I'm excited about our time together today.

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Once again, I want to just really say it's an honor to have you guys.

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Hey, for our beautiful team who are tuning in as you jump in live,

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wherever you are, why don't you just let us know where you're joining from?

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Drop in the comments where you are and whether you're watching live or replay.

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If you're live, just drop live in the comments.

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If it's a replay, drop replay.

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And it's also really cool

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hearing from people what value points you've been getting

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from the journey so far in the summit.

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So why don't you share in the comments what you're what you're getting?

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That's been just a beautiful moment from the summit so far.

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And cool to see you guys there jumping in.

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I see Christchurch, Rotorua,

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Canada. Cool, cool.

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Great to have you guys jumping in.

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New Plymouth, Manawatu, Melbourne.

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Cool, guys. Well, great to have you.

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We love sharing the adventure together.

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So as you're jumping in, say hi, say where you're coming from.

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we with these guys in Virginia. So you said you ran a mountain today, like what do you mean? What

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does that look like? What was the mountain? Let's explore that a little. It's a national park here

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around, so I mean that's what we enjoy a lot here in the state parks and the national parks.

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I mean from Germany we lived in a very very flat area, we didn't have any mountain at all,

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so just coming here to the states and seeing this state parks, national parks like this one,

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what is just one hour away like Shanandua, Shanandua national park, it's a smaller one but

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also very nice and just how clean it is, the nature and I mean we enjoy it so much just by

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being ourselves and just everything what we just grabbed during the week, like all the also dirt

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things you know and on the weekend on the nature you can just let it go. Come on. Especially one

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thing that I realized while we were doing this mountain like runnings, I actually didn't know

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that it would be a thing for us to really do this but it evolved and every time that we go on this

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mountain, every time we're out in nature away from just every normal day life, that's where normally

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God speaks to us like closely and we had so many revelations, so many things that we learned

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throughout this time of just being out there, just running right, just being in his glory I always

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say and spend that time together, it is reviving and you know it restores you, there's so much that

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you get from it and always people that smile you know because they're all these people that just

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went out there you know they just also want that getting away and so yeah we had great conversations,

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met super godly people that joined us on a hike or run which you know you just never know so it's

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always a surprise but always great so yeah it's cool. Hey for our people who are joining us,

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I love what you just shared there about how it's for you, it's a space where you love, you just

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find it easy to connect with God there. For our crew who's watching and joining and why don't

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you just drop in the comments that what are some of those spaces for you where you're like man this

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is where I encounter God so effortlessly, be cool to hear some of those spaces for you. So for you

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guys, you run mountains, so this mountain today, what was the mountain called?

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What is it? I don't know if it had a special name, it was just like in the Shenandoah National Park,

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it was a trail, we wanted to go in the National Park but it was still closed so you had to go

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from the outside in the inside you know it was also not a big one and we're also happy that it

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wasn't a big one because of the snow and the ice. Yeah so you were you were like sliding around a

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bunch of snow everywhere. I mean we are not typical like very well prepared so we are more like a

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little bit ignorance on fire, we just have our jogging shoes and just use what is on our hands

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and you see the other people are very well prepared you know the real the good shoes,

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the good equipment, we're just with running shoes and but that's how life sometimes is,

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you just take what is in your hands and just make the best out of it. Yeah nice, that's cool. Well

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we have got some fun clips of you guys boosting around some different mountains so I'm gonna grab

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I'm gonna do a screen share and pull up some clips of you guys running around and then we're gonna

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we're gonna have a look at these, have a bit of fun and then we're gonna get some backstory.

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So let me click in here, this is the one we want, this is the one we want, all right and here we go.

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Oh that's so good, I love that. Yeah that was it was definitely one of our favorite places,

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it was like middle west and in the in the states like Colorado and it was just so beautiful.

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Oh stunning, right let's hit this other video here. So this is the Great Smoky Mountains,

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tell us a bit about before we watch this video here, tell us a little bit about what we're about

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So basically, I mean Great Smoky Mountains is like I think it's the biggest national park in general just like all white and it's just so beautiful and gorgeous when you go there and you can just see a little sneak peek here of the mountain view that you get later on.

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But this was I think like a 10 mile hike or trail hike and it was super like we did this first in winter, it is just super gorgeous in terms of the views in between.

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So basically what you're going to see is like all the trail running that we did there and then at the end of course just a great view. That's the, that's why you go, you know, mountain running because of the view later on that you can enjoy right like

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the, the fruit of your of your labor, so to speak. So, yeah.

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All right, here we go.

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Yes.

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Nice guys, I love it.

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There's always a moment when you reach the top you know you feel like to dance. Yeah, come on. Okay fam for those watching. What do you think about that how do you like those dance moves and drop in there as well like if you if you want if you're if you're watching

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let me know if you've been to that part of the world because that was Smoky Mountain.

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The Smoky Mountain trail and what we was the other one that was around Colorado.

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Yeah, the grace Pete that the one was grace peak, that's like a 14 or they say like 14,000 feet high. It's like 4000 4200 meter. Yeah. And the one in the great talking mountains was Mount LeConte, and that was like I think how many.

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Yeah, 2008 or something. Yeah, so yeah, well I am. I know when I was in Colorado.

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even I went for just a short run you know it's like a kilometer to my friend's house but they live at high altitude. I was visiting Nancy and Shannon and James and some friends over there and oh my goodness just running like a kilometer to their house.

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I was puffed out I was like, Well, what's going on and they were like, Oh, it's the altitude you it's it's hardly any oxygen up here so how did you guys deal with that.

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Actually, it was actually also a very very funny story because I used to be a little bit more in the Alps so I know a little bit of the altitude but I was also not really use it anymore so much so I was also underestimating it a little bit.

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And when we came there on a Saturday we actually met some people over there and asked for some kind of recommendations because that always there's something we always like to do ask the locals.

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Well, what you can do which kind of hikes and they recommended this kind of 14 or, and we had no idea I mean we are from German we also know just meter. I had no idea how much 14,000 feet is so I was like, sounds good.

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But I would not do it tomorrow or the next days because you have to get used to the altitude.

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So and people know me I'm sometimes a little bit ignorance on fire so when I see something like that it's like, Oh, let's do it Sabrina so we have the next day we have day off so let's do it.

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So we went up there and we what we started to run.

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But very quick, we recognize.

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And then, I mean, the air. Yeah, the air was in but I think it was such a gut story because like I went up there and I was just like frustrated I was like, why is my body not coping right I had all these expectations to my body to my fitness level because

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of running here in South Carolina where there's no altitude where you're like, I would be normally good at this right but I was struggling with my breath, my body you know it was just a total different circumstance in that moment that I was not being aware

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of. And so we were going and I was just frustrated I cried half of the way because of like Daniel like because I was just, again I wanted to control the situation control my body and just be like, why it's not working.

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step, had to take fewer breaks. But we got there and said, we

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want to really get this done. You know, it doesn't matter how

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many stops, how much we have to drink water and get us

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nourished. But at the end, God said, as well, you know, this

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was a learning lesson for you. Because sometimes, you know, we

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even compare ourselves in our fitness level, health level,

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wherever we are, in our journey, we compare ourselves to people

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that are already at level 10 in their journey, if we are maybe

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just at level one. And, you know, in that moment, I'm just

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prepared, I was not prepared to run a mountain like that. And

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sometimes we're jumped in, like we're gonna thrown into

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situations where we're not prepared for, right. And you're

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just like, okay, I'm just gonna do this. But in that moment, you

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know, God just said, hey, it's all right. If you look at other

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people that have like, you know, lower altitude, and you see

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them crashing it, let them crash it. But it's not your journey.

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You're here on this mountain, that's so much high altitude, I

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have such a bigger purpose for you with this journey with your

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health journey with whatever you're doing, right? That only

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when you conquer this mountain, you can later on share my glory

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even more to more people, which you couldn't if you would done

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that little mountain. Right. And so this whole mountain thing was

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just such a yeah, revelation for us, because I was so frustrated

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of where I was, you know, but accepting God's grace later on

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for actually just doing it and you know, being surrendering in

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the process.

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Nice. Well, it's so it's so cool to see you guys, you're in this

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space now of running mountains and living dreams. But I'd love

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to go and hit some backstory of where things were for you,

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because both of you are quite athletic growing up. Do you

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want to tell us a little bit about what you were involved in

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when you were, you know, when you're younger, kind of sports

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and things like that? What was your, what did your space look

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like? Daniel, we'll start with you. What was your world like?

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So for me, I mean, as a German, most people really start as a

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child with soccer. It's really like, I feel like almost everyone

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as a teenager, and then I was, I think, playing 20 years, almost

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20 years soccer. It was not on a professional level, but on the

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level where people already made a little bit money in the team,

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you know, but there was always like a time where I had also

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struggled with with injuries, and was a very, very rare nerve

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issue. What I could not figure out, I was at so many doctors,

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and no one could really figure out that was also hindered me

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all the time was playing soccer. And then, at the end, God helped

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me really to us to stop it. Because I was struggling with it

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with the feeling that I cannot perform at my best. And then I

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hurt my knee again. So I already heard it a couple of

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times. But then it was at the moment where I said, Okay, now I

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have to stop. And that was where God told me really nice, Daniel,

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your focus should be now somewhere else. And that was my

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journey. Right before we moved to the United States where I

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really stopped after 20 years playing soccer, but where I said

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Thank you, really, thank you. It was. Yeah, it was actually right

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before our wedding where that happened with the knee. So it

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was actually not the best time. It went on. Well, yeah.

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Yeah. So for you, that's pretty much closed the door on soccer

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for you. But it didn't close the door on my on everything. So

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we're gonna we're gonna come back to that. So you had a major

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injury, basically, it took you out of soccer. And so we're

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gonna we're gonna pause there. And we'll come back to that. And

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we're gonna jump into your story of Sabrina. What were you

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involved in? When you were young, what was happening?

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So basically, when I was nine years old, my school teacher

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back then in sports, he actually said Sabrina, hey, you know, why

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don't you try out track and field. So since I was nine, I

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was in track and field. And actually, I was pretty good. I

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didn't even know that track and field really existed until then

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until he brought me in. But I really had a blast there and was

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really successful in my young years still, I think have club

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records, which is kind of weird. But um, it's been a

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journey for me where I found a safe place for me in terms of

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identity. Like for me, track and field was everything. And so I

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trained a lot. And you know, I love the half a lawn where you

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do the seven disciplines, but my specialties were like long jump

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and hurdles. So that was always something I enjoyed the most. I

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hated running. That's the fun part that I'm now doing mountain

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running, but we come to that later, how that switched, but I

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always hated the 800 meters at the end of every competition.

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But um, yeah, so that's what I've done since I was young and

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until we moved here, but there was

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One moment where I was definitely not prepared for it and, uh, nobody really

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anticipated this, but I had bracelets, um, in my teenage years and just to get my

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teeth straight and, but it was still in a period where I was training six to seven

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times a week and where I was still growing.

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Like I was still, you know, like, um, in my growth process and I was in the

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middle of a competition and one of a sudden I just had so much pain in my, in

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my leg, which also doesn't make sense, but I just couldn't continue.

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I just couldn't continue.

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I had to stop.

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And while we were kind of going to through the therapist, like the

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standard kind of doctors, nobody could tell me they prescribed totally wrong.

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Like, you know, um, what do you say that, you know, when you put

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in your shoes, like souls, et cetera.

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So it just created such a mess even more after that.

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But yeah, that was a pretty hard part time for me because I just had to stop.

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He said, you have to stop.

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Like, otherwise you won't be able to do any sports anymore.

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And so from 100% power to zero, I just stopped there, but that was a hard, that

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was, yeah, a really, really hard time.

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So they were just crushing it, living the dream, doing amazing in

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athletics and, you know, track and field.

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And then this weird, it's the sort of pain was in your legs.

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Is that right?

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Yeah.

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But in the end it was actually because of the bracelets.

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I had scoliosis in my, in my, um, back.

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So it created my spine to completely be like an S.

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Let's let's pause this and break this down.

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Cause this is weird.

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Yes.

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Are you saying that your braces caused scoliosis?

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Because I found a sports doctor and he was saying, actually I have this a lot,

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but the, like the, you know, um, doctors who do your braces, um, they know they

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don't just often know about this because of course not everybody's a sports

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athlete and does so intense sports.

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But if you, when I went to a sports doctor, they said, Hey, we actually

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see that a lot, especially with young people that when they get the

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bracelets and do their sports, it affects, because you know, all the

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shifting in your, in your, um, area, it affects also your, your spine.

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You would never imagine that getting braces is going to cause scoliosis.

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So, so for people who might not know, if you do know in the comments, let

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us know if you know what scoliosis is.

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Um, if you think that's crazy for those who are listening, if you think

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like that is a weird, then just like on a scale of one to 10, how weird is that?

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I'm thinking that's going to be like seven or eight out of 10 bizarre, you

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know, like you were not thinking of cool.

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So unpack for me what scoliosis is like, what is that?

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Basically it really, if you break it down, it just means that your whole

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like, um, back, you know, your own spine kind of shapes because of, you

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know, how it is moving here and you, you know, sports and you grow basically

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if you still in that, you know, your bones grow your, you know, all everything

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grows, it kind of irritates that process and, and gives you, you know,

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your, um, spine that asks for it, which kind of basically means you have to be

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careful because of course, if it's not in that, you know, alignment, then a lot

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of different other things can occur like nerves or not.

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So, yeah.

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So your spine went into a curve, like kind of like an S.

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Yes, that is crazy.

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So your spine's gone into an S from getting braces.

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Did, what did you do about the braces?

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Did you keep your braces?

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I couldn't stop because I wanted my, you know, I wanted that as I had them, I was

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like, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to just, you know, get it, I get through

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that process and I've got to just get, do it and get it done, but I had to take

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other measurements for it to, to, to cope right away with that spine.

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So, uh, a little bit weird, but.

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Well, what did you, what did you do?

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What was the process?

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Obviously you went through quite the system there of people saying, no,

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there's nothing wrong here or what was that?

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What was that process like with going and seeing doctors and trying to figure

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out, because you would, what was the symptoms of it for you?

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You got like pain in your legs and that took you out of the game.

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I mean, I could tell that my body was working more, so I really had a lot of

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fatigue in general, which I couldn't really explain.

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And, um, I literally had a lot of water in my legs, like, you know, in the, in

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the down part and, uh, the strain that you have on the side that actually

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really hurt a lot, which he said that that's kind of aligned with the, you

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know, the spine, I mean, there's so much line, right?

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Like sometimes when you have pain in your hip, it comes totally from a

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different part of your ear, of your.

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body. But that's kind of he said, that's what's causing it.

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And, you know, so yeah, that stuff. And then I literally had

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to go to shoe specialist to get that done.

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Okay, so you went from doctors to sports specialists, and then

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they said the remedy for the braces is shoes.

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Yeah, shoe specialist. Yep. Because this is bizarre, right?

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This is a bizarre scenario. Yeah.

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It totally is. But that's why I say like, if you if you know,

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there's something that you're dealing with, you can go to

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doctors that, you know, practice the regular medicine kind of

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type of way. But often, that's just going to get you regular

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results. And I needed literally a breakthrough for that. And I

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felt like God has put these people, especially this one

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doctor that knew about this, that had this experience before

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with another athlete, that he could say, actually, I have a

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shoe specialist that you have to go and see. Because, you know,

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otherwise, I would have not known how to really deal with

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this.

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Well, if you haven't figured that out, I mean, you could have

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a curved spine to this day and not be able to really just not

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be able to what, if you hadn't dealt with that, what would be

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the end result? You know, like with scoliosis, what would that

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do to a person?

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I mean, they said there's a high risk that you know, you can do,

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of course, especially the sports and the intensity that you do,

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because I jumped I you know, that like, there's just so much

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that you do, that that requires your spine, you know, I had a

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friend in my sports club, she actually had an operation with

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her back in her back, and she had like, screws in her back

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because of a surgery. And you know, she was always that

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counterpart where I said, yeah, maybe that's something I have to

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get because they have to stabilize my spine, right. And

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that's sometimes what they do to put these screws in your spine,

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so that it stays stable again. And I saw her and her, I would

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say, just reduction in quality of life, right, that she

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couldn't do go all in with things and always had to pay

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attention of, you know, not doing too much. Yeah. And so

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yeah. Oh, wow. All right. So here we are, you've had, you go

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to the shoe specialist. Now, how old are you in all this is

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happening? I was probably like 15. That was back, we'll see

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that was back in 2008. So 2007 was my highest year. And then

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2008, everything just dropped. So that's when I had to 2008,

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2009. Okay, how old are you guys right now?

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31 and 28.

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31 and 28. Oh, nice. And yeah, right. So at 15, you've built

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your identity around sports, and all of a sudden, your your

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your whole identity gets ripped out. How are you feeling in

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that process? As you've lost, you know, you've lost track and

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field, which is your identities trap, you're wound into that

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you're going through this roller coaster have not been able to

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figure out what's even wrong. And you're going through a lot

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of physical pain as well. Where did you get to kind of in your

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mind and your emotions and your heart? Where were you? Where

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were you at?

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Basically, if you don't have any other foundation built, it

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definitely ripped me apart in terms of just knowing who I am.

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I had a identity. Yeah, I had an identity crisis, not knowing who

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am I actually without sports, like I had to ask that question,

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who am I without track and field. And I was super insecure.

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So I didn't have any pillar to hold on to that, you know, it

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was just giving me that safety, of course, family and friends,

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they would just support me in that. And that was important in

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those moments to have a support system. But what really crushed

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me was not only like you have these expectations from

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yourself. And then when I went back to training, just to kind

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of, you know, try to start again with the healing process

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and trying to just do some flex and gymnastics and what you

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know, would get me back. First of all, with that, I had people

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from my sports club that came to me and said, Oh, Sabrina, it's

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nice to see you. But oh, you gained a lot of weight. Because

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through from 100% to 0%, I think my body, my whole metabolism,

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everything just got messed up. I got stressed out, right? Like, I

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had issues of intolerances, inflammations, all this with the

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stress that you create in your body. And I think that's

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totally I mean, that's, that's cortisol. Yeah. And that's going

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to create you know, cortisol is a chemical when you have stress

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that stress hormone cortisol, it overloads the adrenals as well.

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So your adrenals get overloaded. And it starts definitely a great

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way to store belly belly fat.

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So you're kind of getting inflamed and having reactions to food now, are you saying intolerances?

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What was happening there?

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So basically the lactose fructose, like I had to do those tests.

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I had this gastritis kind of thing where it was just totally sensitive to anything.

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And one thing I really want to share that I think is also important, especially like

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I started with the birth control and that time too, which was totally the wrong time.

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But I was told that that might be helpful.

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But that again, also created because my body was not in alignment at all.

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Now you're putting these hormones into your body too.

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So that's why like hormonal balance, especially if your body's not in balance, it just creates

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that extra weight on especially like women and I struggled with that as well a lot back

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then.

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So yeah, basically I gained a bad relationship with food because I couldn't, I lost trust

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in my body because I felt like my body was kind of, how do you say it?

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I was just disappointed.

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I was like, how can my body do this?

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You know, you should perform for me.

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And you know, like I just was trying to blame anything about me in that moment to just kind

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of feel better and feed my ego.

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So yeah, it was a bad, a bad time for me to.

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So what did your, what did your bad relationship with food look like?

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I mean, this is kind of all getting hectic in your life.

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Yeah.

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Daniel's also smiling.

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He had to.

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I just heard the other day.

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I mean, it was like a long time.

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I didn't know about this story.

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You know, I was like, wow, this is crazy.

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This is really crazy.

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It was a big part.

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I didn't know about Sabrina.

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Basically, I was, you know, whenever I would eat carbs and knew something that would get

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00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.960
me fat, so to speak, anything like I would just scream and really just cry because of

442
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.560
the frustration it would create in me.

443
00:31:56.560 --> 00:32:02.760
And I remember we went to the US one time to visit our family over there.

444
00:32:02.760 --> 00:32:05.560
And I mean, I was in the US, the food culture.

445
00:32:05.560 --> 00:32:07.960
If you've been in the US, you know how it is.

446
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.480
So we went to a restaurant called Olive Garden and they serve this bread and the soup and

447
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.120
everything prior before you even enjoy your meal, literally.

448
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:24.080
So I was eating that bread and I think I ordered I ordered something different, like noodles

449
00:32:24.080 --> 00:32:25.080
or something.

450
00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:31.880
But one moment that shaped me was just to say I was crying and frustrated because I

451
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.880
had in my mind all these like people around me, like I don't want to end up like them,

452
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.480
like I'm already frustrated.

453
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.840
So I was already full by eating bread.

454
00:32:40.840 --> 00:32:45.360
And you know, then I was just crying because I was, you know, like I just had no consciousness.

455
00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:48.920
And it was just for me, what is going on?

456
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:50.800
Like I couldn't eat like burgers.

457
00:32:50.800 --> 00:32:53.680
It would just totally I would get this like a magnet, right?

458
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.320
Like, whoa, like I don't even want to do anything.

459
00:32:56.320 --> 00:33:00.000
I don't want to even eat anything, even though I ordered something.

460
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:06.000
I couldn't control myself in those moments of eating food because I thought whatever

461
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.440
I eat now, it's just going to, you know, make me fatter and, you know, it's not going to

462
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:10.440
serve me at all.

463
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.200
And my body's messed up anyway.

464
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:16.480
So I've kind of had a stage where I gave up on my body and gave up on your body.

465
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.840
And so did you start eating a whole bunch then anyway, or what did you do?

466
00:33:19.840 --> 00:33:24.640
Did you just give up and just start eating whatever you wanted or did you stay in that

467
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:25.640
place of turmoil?

468
00:33:26.280 --> 00:33:32.000
Yeah. So basically, first it was, you know, I ate a lot because of frustration and then

469
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:33.480
I had totally the opposite, right?

470
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:39.280
Like totally went into the cycle of not eating a lot and kind of being totally, you know,

471
00:33:39.280 --> 00:33:40.200
like I don't want to eat.

472
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:41.240
This is not going to be good.

473
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.320
And with all the intolerances, I don't want to eat anyways, right?

474
00:33:44.320 --> 00:33:48.840
Because if you know that you can feel pain in the next, you know, if you just eat one

475
00:33:48.840 --> 00:33:53.840
bite and you have that, especially gastritis and all that, you just, you know, and then

476
00:33:53.840 --> 00:33:55.120
I said, I screw it up.

477
00:33:55.120 --> 00:33:57.080
Like, I don't want to even do anything.

478
00:33:57.080 --> 00:34:01.040
So it was this, you know, extreme from one extreme to the other.

479
00:34:01.040 --> 00:34:06.680
So and then and then at what point in that journey did you then start to go, OK, right.

480
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.719
Let me try and start exercising again.

481
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.280
Let me try and start building back.

482
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.679
And what was happening with your spine through that?

483
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.520
So while I was kind of going through all that, I was in therapy with a specialist like

484
00:34:20.520 --> 00:34:23.960
where you get all the difference, you know, salts and measurements for your foot.

485
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.040
And so he was, you know, doing that.

486
00:34:27.040 --> 00:34:29.719
And I was trying them out and like training a little bit.

487
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.520
And so this was going on parallel.

488
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.880
And then with the food, I started to say, Sabrina, like because I was tired of being

489
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.239
tired. Right. You have sometimes those moments where it's just like I had to say,

490
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.639
Sabrina, how how long do you still want to really be miserable or do you really want

491
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:48.239
to get back on track and kind of follow your dreams and follow how you felt before and

492
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:49.639
get back as soon as possible?

493
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:53.159
And then there was this moment where I just said, OK, I have to just do something

494
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.000
right now. And then I said, OK, what do I have in my hands?

495
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:57.760
What can I do? What is right?

496
00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.280
Like I have the therapy right now.

497
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.480
I can do what he said is I can go running and jock.

498
00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:03.580
That's how it started.

499
00:35:03.580 --> 00:35:07.020
Like he said, you can start walking and, you know, doing a little bit of jogging

500
00:35:07.020 --> 00:35:11.880
and running and besides gymnastics and kind of the, the low pace training,

501
00:35:12.240 --> 00:35:13.920
uh, to get your body stabilized.

502
00:35:14.040 --> 00:35:18.940
And so, uh, besides that, I was, I think having like, I don't know how

503
00:35:18.940 --> 00:35:23.060
many newsletters that I tried, you know, like to just get wisdom from the

504
00:35:23.060 --> 00:35:27.140
outside, because I didn't know the wisdom was actually inside of me, but I

505
00:35:27.140 --> 00:35:30.940
was looking all on the outside, all these different newsletters, trying

506
00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:35.240
different concepts, different shapes for body weight lost in whatever.

507
00:35:35.240 --> 00:35:40.420
Like I just tried it all in order to just get a little bit ahead, um, in my

508
00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:45.980
journey, but, um, that was basically what I tried out besides the, yeah.

509
00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:50.960
Um, coaching that I had there to get back on, Hey, what can I do in terms of my

510
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:51.560
diet?

511
00:35:52.040 --> 00:35:56.240
And that's when I first gained a little bit more knowledge of, Hey, what's, you

512
00:35:56.260 --> 00:36:00.300
know, some basic principles and rhythms that I can, can integrate.

513
00:36:00.340 --> 00:36:01.580
And that's what I learned.

514
00:36:02.180 --> 00:36:03.860
Um, some principles then.

515
00:36:04.220 --> 00:36:05.580
So talk to me a little bit as well.

516
00:36:05.580 --> 00:36:08.220
Like I know that you're, you're in this, you're still young.

517
00:36:08.220 --> 00:36:10.860
This is the journey of a young lady, really.

518
00:36:11.300 --> 00:36:17.660
And so talking to a couple of things that really interested in, uh, how did

519
00:36:17.660 --> 00:36:18.500
you deal with critics?

520
00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:19.660
Like what were critics saying?

521
00:36:19.660 --> 00:36:22.060
Cause you said you had a few people saying, Oh, you put on a bit of weight.

522
00:36:22.060 --> 00:36:25.300
Like what, how did you deal with the critics as you were trying to make a

523
00:36:25.300 --> 00:36:25.720
comeback?

524
00:36:25.720 --> 00:36:28.000
So there you are, you've been blindsided.

525
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.520
You've had something terrible happen.

526
00:36:29.720 --> 00:36:32.920
You're doing your very best trying to trying so hard.

527
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:35.440
And then you just feel like you're getting kind of slapped in the face.

528
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.240
Like what was, what was happening in that process?

529
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.180
Um, nothing was like before, right?

530
00:36:43.180 --> 00:36:46.800
Like everybody kind of, when you had that success, everybody was kind of looking up

531
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.080
to you, you, you know, they would see you in the newspaper and, you know, it was

532
00:36:51.080 --> 00:36:53.720
like kind of cheering, um, on you.

533
00:36:53.740 --> 00:36:57.060
And whenever I didn't perform, right.

534
00:36:57.100 --> 00:37:01.020
And, um, that was also causing a major problem later on that I needed to perform

535
00:37:01.020 --> 00:37:02.460
in order to be loved and accept it.

536
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:05.780
And it's still something that I'm still have to deal with today

537
00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:06.780
to really get rid of it.

538
00:37:07.220 --> 00:37:07.540
Yeah.

539
00:37:07.620 --> 00:37:11.580
Um, but it was in that moment when he said, Oh, Sabrina, you got really fat.

540
00:37:12.620 --> 00:37:17.860
I just, I just, I didn't know what to like, I couldn't say anything.

541
00:37:17.860 --> 00:37:20.500
Like I just, nothing would come out.

542
00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:21.900
I would just shove it all in.

543
00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:22.160
Right.

544
00:37:22.180 --> 00:37:24.980
And just would keep that frustration.

545
00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:28.540
And I think that was a part that all these different things people would say at my

546
00:37:28.540 --> 00:37:33.140
club, because of course, besides that, I would see all the other girls still

547
00:37:33.140 --> 00:37:33.980
crushing it, right.

548
00:37:33.980 --> 00:37:37.460
And I was happy for them, but of course, in that moment, it's that instant

549
00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:41.340
comparison and that idealistic versus realistic, right.

550
00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:44.380
That's, that's what I want, but here I am, right.

551
00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:47.220
Trying to figure out still where I am in my journey.

552
00:37:47.740 --> 00:37:50.980
And it was hard because, um, yeah, I would, I would cry.

553
00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:55.880
A lot of times have bad moods and would fall into literally depressed depression

554
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:01.480
because I didn't know what to do, um, in those times.

555
00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:05.520
And even if I wanted to go back, so I would often train even, you know, in

556
00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:09.840
nature and just go running and try to get my mind free instead of going to the

557
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:10.720
training center.

558
00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:11.520
Yeah.

559
00:38:11.560 --> 00:38:16.520
And that's, um, what that brings up a thing that we talk about a lot and we

560
00:38:16.540 --> 00:38:21.660
talk about it in the daily hard things challenge that we do is that comparison

561
00:38:21.660 --> 00:38:24.180
is the thief of joy.

562
00:38:24.700 --> 00:38:25.100
Yeah.

563
00:38:25.100 --> 00:38:28.260
There is gratitude is a multiplier.

564
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:34.060
And if you get stuck in that rut of comparison and the culture around us

565
00:38:34.100 --> 00:38:36.500
is a culture of comparison.

566
00:38:37.100 --> 00:38:42.020
You know, like if you look at the magazines now, I think, I think this

567
00:38:42.020 --> 00:38:43.820
is the, here's a balance here, right?

568
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:48.080
There's a real balance because you're going to see, sometimes you're going to

569
00:38:48.080 --> 00:38:52.960
see people who are doing way better than you are in an area where you're trying

570
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:53.480
to grow.

571
00:38:54.600 --> 00:39:01.880
And if you get caught in that place of comparison in your current comparison

572
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.200
will become a thief of joy and it will rob your joy as opposed to having a

573
00:39:06.200 --> 00:39:12.360
mindset of celebration and gratitude for where you're at right now, which will

574
00:39:12.380 --> 00:39:17.220
actually, you know, like gratitude will multiply your joy and comparison will

575
00:39:17.540 --> 00:39:18.340
steal it.

576
00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:22.660
So that's a real big deal in the process of growth and transformation for any of

577
00:39:22.660 --> 00:39:22.820
us.

578
00:39:22.820 --> 00:39:26.340
And when you're in a place where you've been blindsided, you've been taken out,

579
00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:31.260
you've lost a dream, uh, and you're on a comeback, you know, the, the, that

580
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:35.380
place of being in a comeback, you so it's in your face so much.

581
00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:39.620
Cause you know, even not just where the other people are, but the phantom of

582
00:39:39.620 --> 00:39:44.360
your own past knowing, oh, this is where I was.

583
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:47.920
And then the injury comes and you're like, ah, you lose all your gains and

584
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.000
you're like, no.

585
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:55.560
So, um, so what started turning it around for you, Sabrina, where you

586
00:39:55.560 --> 00:39:56.920
started kind of coming back.

587
00:39:58.520 --> 00:40:00.040
So basically one.

588
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.480
that I said is okay what can I what can I do right so I could do running so I was just literally

589
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:10.800
writing down hey what can I do right now to just get better and to to do this so yes and

590
00:40:12.080 --> 00:40:18.000
first of all just acknowledge where I am right like I had to accept the bitterness that I felt

591
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.400
yeah and kind of you know just take it and said okay Sabrina you're tired because you're tired

592
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:27.840
like and you want to change that so it's okay if you're tired and I think that's like the grace

593
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.160
with myself because back then I didn't have a relationship with the Lord yet yeah really like

594
00:40:32.160 --> 00:40:38.080
I only established when we really came into the U.S. but it was just okay I got this so I can do

595
00:40:38.080 --> 00:40:43.360
running so I would do like how often do I want to do running and you know during the week how long

596
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:48.560
so I was kind of just making out a plan of of trying you know going step by step and seeing

597
00:40:48.560 --> 00:40:54.240
first of that word if it was too much I had to go back down but at least you know that way you can

598
00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:59.760
kind of see what is a good rhythm for me to go running then also I just said okay what do I need

599
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:07.200
to do to to get you know better in shape with my diet so portion control was a big thing for me

600
00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:14.720
then also just knowing okay you know certain like just the job like drop the carbs and and you know

601
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:15.280
take on the

602
00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:25.440
let's see are you up there you go again yeah sorry I lost you for a second yeah just for a second

603
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:31.840
so like some basic principles of diet especially for my gut health because I knew my gut health

604
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:37.280
was just the biggest part of this and I learned that 70 to 80 percent of our immune system kind

605
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:43.520
of is in our gut like you know and so when I understood that knowledge I could say okay what

606
00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:48.960
can I do to improve my gut as well so you know fibers and doing all these different things and

607
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:53.840
one major thing I got to know that helped me a lot because of stillness right like there's so

608
00:41:53.840 --> 00:42:00.080
much going on was fasting like the rhythm of fasting I just heard and read an article about

609
00:42:00.080 --> 00:42:05.760
it and it just got me so curious and since then like I've tried this out for five days like literally

610
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:12.800
the whole complete thing and that just also just completely shifted everything because you just

611
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:18.640
keep all the noise out and you just focus on you know one thing and that helped me so much to just

612
00:42:18.640 --> 00:42:25.840
keep focused and to just you know like concentrate on that and it helped so much to heal um spiritually

613
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:35.440
my mind my body so that was a gift and um you know so um that was part of having yeah okay so

614
00:42:36.240 --> 00:42:40.160
that's awesome you're starting to make a comeback you know like you've got and I love that that you

615
00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:45.520
and this is something I think that can be a real takeaway for everyone here too is just making a

616
00:42:45.520 --> 00:42:52.080
plan like writing it down this is the difference to me is you know being proactive versus being

617
00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:56.720
reactive like a reactive person is just going to go ah and they'll spin out of control you can see

618
00:42:56.720 --> 00:43:01.760
that you kind of got blindsided you got hit but such a great move as a young lady even kind of

619
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.880
in as you're spinning you manage to kind of do some really genius moves there which was actually

620
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:13.840
hang on a minute uh let me make a small plan of some achievable things now that is that's some

621
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:19.200
genius there okay and so as you stuck to that it started changing things up when did you first

622
00:43:19.200 --> 00:43:26.000
start getting into the space of mountain running and realize you had a new dream yeah so basically

623
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:30.640
first I had no running like because I was running and running and running I really got you know good

624
00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:36.080
at it and so I just got like well running is so cool like and I'm actually you know seeing success

625
00:43:36.080 --> 00:43:40.880
again so that was helpful for me to to kind of you know just get that motivation again I feel

626
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:48.080
like this is working and um like I was having one uh race with my dad together and I remember like

627
00:43:48.080 --> 00:43:52.720
because I was always like third place second place in the end and then that race I was you know

628
00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:57.680
finally at first place again and I was running with my dad and this was such a defining moment

629
00:43:57.680 --> 00:44:02.000
for me because at that moment when I was standing on that podest it was just like hey you know what

630
00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:07.120
I think I think I made it like I think I'm kind of you know it's a different it's again it's a

631
00:44:07.120 --> 00:44:11.760
different mountain it's a different you know it's not my old track and field but I feel like he's

632
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:17.920
just standing here it's a way of just saying hey I think my physical you know like health is back

633
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:23.440
and you know I can do this and so um mountain running started when we came literally to the

634
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:29.680
U.S. because in Germany there was no such thing as mountain running so when we moved to 2017

635
00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:34.800
that's when we kind of really discovered all the national parks and state parks and ran running on

636
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:41.120
the weekends and so of course you start with the slower mountains and parks and stuff like that but

637
00:44:41.120 --> 00:44:46.080
then you know when you have a husband that kind of challenges you and it's kind of crazy in those

638
00:44:46.080 --> 00:44:50.640
regards and you just simply trust him one of a sudden you're standing in front of a mountain

639
00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:55.360
and have no other choices to run this mountain and that's how it started. That's so cool.

640
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.520
So Daniel, Daniel you

641
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.760
you know, you got blindsided in a sense as well.

642
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.840
Your injury took you out of soccer.

643
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.320
You're like, man, what am I gonna, what am I gonna do?

644
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.240
And so you pivoted as well.

645
00:45:10.240 --> 00:45:12.760
You found, when did you start running?

646
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.000
What happened for you to start getting into running?

647
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.720
Actually, during the time when I was already struggling

648
00:45:19.720 --> 00:45:21.400
with soccer, I started to run a little bit

649
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.560
like really small competitions in Germany

650
00:45:24.560 --> 00:45:28.400
where we just dressed up and it was like a local city run.

651
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:29.840
And I was actually not bad at it.

652
00:45:30.560 --> 00:45:31.400
So it was a lot of fun.

653
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.600
So, but it was for me, like just running,

654
00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:37.280
it was a little bit too boring to be honest.

655
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.760
So, and at the same time, I, yeah,

656
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.360
when I actually had to stop, it was good for me

657
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.280
because my full-time job, I was traveling a lot

658
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.120
through the countries.

659
00:45:49.120 --> 00:45:51.560
And often I have time on a Sunday

660
00:45:51.560 --> 00:45:53.280
where I don't have to work.

661
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.160
So I was looking for ways to enjoy myself.

662
00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:58.200
And that was where I really recognized

663
00:45:58.200 --> 00:46:01.960
to go alone in the mountains, just for yourself,

664
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.320
sometimes with podcasts on your ears.

665
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.480
And then there was something in it.

666
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.360
You mean, sometimes it's like when you,

667
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.560
when you don't know that it is a passion,

668
00:46:10.560 --> 00:46:13.280
but you start it and you feel good afterwards

669
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:14.520
and you do it again.

670
00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:16.840
And you look so, the whole week,

671
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.400
I can have so much stress the whole week.

672
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:20.840
But at the end of the week,

673
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.320
I'm so happy to go to my happy place in the nature.

674
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.160
And I feel always great afterwards.

675
00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:29.240
And then it starts to, you recognize, you're aware of it.

676
00:46:29.240 --> 00:46:31.360
Oh yeah, that starts to be a passion.

677
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.560
And then sometimes it's like,

678
00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:33.880
when you see the high mountain,

679
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.640
when you be like, oh, it's challenging,

680
00:46:36.640 --> 00:46:38.280
you get a little bit fearful, you know?

681
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.400
It's like, oh, I want to accomplish that.

682
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.040
And that is always also like,

683
00:46:42.040 --> 00:46:47.000
just reaching this kind of goal, it's so rewarding.

684
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.120
But it's, I feel like it's also sometimes really

685
00:46:50.120 --> 00:46:53.200
with similar goals we have in our life.

686
00:46:53.240 --> 00:46:56.560
I mean, I compare it often that we have on the top,

687
00:46:56.560 --> 00:46:58.280
this beautiful view,

688
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.800
and we want to get to the top to see this view.

689
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:02.600
And it's often with our health,

690
00:47:02.600 --> 00:47:05.960
with our any kind of goals in our business or something

691
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.520
that we, for example, want to lose 20 pounds

692
00:47:09.520 --> 00:47:11.640
or 20 kilograms, for example.

693
00:47:11.640 --> 00:47:16.360
And so many people really miss the beauty of the journey.

694
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.680
We always just see the goal.

695
00:47:18.680 --> 00:47:21.280
So like the mountain, the top of the mountain.

696
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.440
And sometimes we just start running so fast.

697
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.360
We start running so fast, but you are exhausted.

698
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.000
You're so exhausted.

699
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.320
And sometimes we just need to stop

700
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.480
because we are not in a hurry.

701
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.160
We can take our time.

702
00:47:35.160 --> 00:47:37.840
That's also, we had the day in the Smoky Mountains

703
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.520
where we went up the highest mountain

704
00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:40.800
in the Smoky Mountains.

705
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.440
We came across so many beautiful people.

706
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.080
We could, we can have-

707
00:47:46.080 --> 00:47:46.920
We stopped talking.

708
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.480
Yeah, we stopped from talking with them.

709
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.120
Yeah, it was just amazing.

710
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:53.560
And they were asking for ways,

711
00:47:53.560 --> 00:47:55.080
how can we get up?

712
00:47:55.080 --> 00:47:56.600
How far is it?

713
00:47:56.600 --> 00:47:57.880
You are helping each other.

714
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:02.600
You find people with similar goals, similar ways.

715
00:48:02.600 --> 00:48:05.080
The same with our goals,

716
00:48:05.080 --> 00:48:07.000
when we want to lose weight, for example.

717
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.200
We need sometimes really to stop, go our own way,

718
00:48:10.200 --> 00:48:13.240
find people who we can grab, go with them together,

719
00:48:13.240 --> 00:48:14.800
have the right environment.

720
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.640
And that was something what helped me really to understand

721
00:48:18.640 --> 00:48:23.000
that it is our pace, step-by-step, and enjoy the journey.

722
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:23.840
Come on.

723
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.160
And sometimes also look back how far you've come

724
00:48:26.160 --> 00:48:28.960
because that was in the end my key.

725
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:29.800
It's like, you know what?

726
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:31.880
Even though it was just be a little progress

727
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.040
because it was something I couldn't control,

728
00:48:34.040 --> 00:48:36.320
but looking at what progress already made,

729
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.560
how, you know, what runs already did,

730
00:48:38.560 --> 00:48:40.600
what steps already just took in order

731
00:48:40.600 --> 00:48:42.760
to be able to get better.

732
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.600
And that was what fueled my confidence just to keep going.

733
00:48:46.600 --> 00:48:47.720
But I didn't learn that.

734
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.200
I didn't learn to look back and see how far we've come.

735
00:48:50.200 --> 00:48:52.240
And that's what we learned with mountain running.

736
00:48:52.240 --> 00:48:53.560
Look already how far you've come.

737
00:48:53.560 --> 00:48:56.880
Already look at the view, how hard you are, right?

738
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.280
Yeah, absolutely.

739
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.680
And that's genius because that's this whole dynamic

740
00:49:01.680 --> 00:49:04.920
of celebration and gratitude.

741
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:08.120
And you've got to celebrate the real little things.

742
00:49:08.120 --> 00:49:09.200
You know, like you want to be grateful

743
00:49:09.200 --> 00:49:11.000
about the real little things,

744
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.400
celebrate the little milestones in the journey.

745
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.960
And just what you're sharing there

746
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.160
just reminds me of something that, you know,

747
00:49:18.160 --> 00:49:20.760
came up in our last session with Joseph,

748
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.520
which is he said that your desire,

749
00:49:24.520 --> 00:49:28.080
sorry, your discipline reveals your desire.

750
00:49:28.080 --> 00:49:29.600
And I want to kind of connect this now

751
00:49:29.600 --> 00:49:33.360
with the rhythm of life that you have now on a daily.

752
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.720
So you have this, I mean,

753
00:49:35.720 --> 00:49:37.280
it's not that many people that you meet

754
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:38.800
who are mountain running athletes.

755
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.760
They're like, sweet, let's go and run a mountain.

756
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.240
There's not that many people statistically that do that.

757
00:49:44.240 --> 00:49:45.600
So, you know, in the weekends,

758
00:49:45.600 --> 00:49:47.600
you guys love to go and run a mountain,

759
00:49:47.600 --> 00:49:50.080
do something amazing, which is beautiful.

760
00:49:50.080 --> 00:49:55.080
But here's where your discipline reveals your desire.

761
00:49:57.240 --> 00:49:58.600
And that's where I would love to get into you guys.

762
00:49:58.600 --> 00:50:00.080
So what's the rhythm?

763
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.920
them because you have to create some type of daily rhythm that's going to give you the fuel that's

764
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:11.440
going to give you the stamina the endurance you know like the fitness level to be able to actually

765
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:16.400
go okay cool well i want to go run a mountain now and i'm just going to go so what's the rhythm for

766
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:22.560
you guys i think this is so key in the process of divine health whatever transformation you want to

767
00:50:22.560 --> 00:50:27.760
make uh wherever you want to grow in your health whatever stage you're you're going through or

768
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:32.480
you know like there has to be a rhythm so what's the rhythm that you guys have been creating in

769
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:38.720
your lives i'll let him speak because he's a master at that literally i've learned so much

770
00:50:38.720 --> 00:50:43.440
from him so i give him the credit for it no i think i think it's basically you you mentioned

771
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:49.280
that already it's step by step it's with really every goal what you said i mean i'm not personally

772
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:56.560
not a big fan of new year's resolutions because often we just take so much what we really want

773
00:50:56.560 --> 00:51:02.080
to accomplish and we like i said we start running we start running we get exhausted and then we turn

774
00:51:02.080 --> 00:51:07.200
around yeah that's something that we've been really hitting on in this journey as well as that

775
00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:13.360
when we when we make change when we're going after change and transformation we want to ensure that

776
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:21.360
we start with a pace that's sustainable so we're more i and i want to um you know for you guys who

777
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:26.880
are watching as well why don't you just share your thoughts you know like with incremental

778
00:51:27.520 --> 00:51:35.280
um and sustainable change you know like what are you uh here's my thought here is like

779
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:42.320
what's a small step that you guys want to achieve you know what's a small goal that you have that's

780
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:47.760
like just a micro goal an incremental goal what's something tiny that you could do that's going to

781
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:53.040
be sustainable on a daily or a weekly basis so that'd be cool to hear from you guys so just drop

782
00:51:53.040 --> 00:51:58.800
in there what are some small goals that you guys have so some small pioneer actions that are going

783
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:08.160
to be sustainable um sweet so yeah if you just jump back in and talk to us again what yeah what i'm

784
00:52:08.160 --> 00:52:12.560
really keen to hear as well as what does it look like for you monday tuesday wednesday thursday

785
00:52:12.560 --> 00:52:18.880
friday what's the rhythm that you've created yeah so actually for me personally um after really i

786
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:26.240
wake up i pray and then i already go to the gym and i do my workout so that's something what i

787
00:52:26.240 --> 00:52:32.480
really created after a longer time to be honest um because i was always like normally working out

788
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.680
in the afternoon or running or playing soccer but then i figured out i don't have so much time

789
00:52:37.680 --> 00:52:43.440
especially while traveling all right much i'm with you okay i got a juicy question for you

790
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:48.960
um what time do you set your alarm then if you want to pray and then go to the gym and then start

791
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:55.200
the day when are you setting your alarm so 5 15 5 15 cool that's a great rhythm that's a great

792
00:52:55.200 --> 00:52:59.760
rhythm you're gonna hear so many people you know like that morning and i'll just chuck this out

793
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:10.560
there to our people like it's quite possible for you that an earlier alarm could be the the action

794
00:53:10.560 --> 00:53:14.720
that you need to take that could completely revolutionize your life you know if you're used

795
00:53:14.720 --> 00:53:19.920
to getting up at eight of getting up out of bed at eight if you got up at five and you had three

796
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:26.720
hours to pray and work out you could completely revolutionize your world now that might seem really

797
00:53:26.720 --> 00:53:31.280
drastic right but when we talk about incremental and sustainable if you're like whoa i get out of

798
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:38.160
bed at eight five o'clock that's crazy well why don't you start with 7 45 but this is a whole

799
00:53:38.160 --> 00:53:43.200
thing about incremental sustainable change if you're used to getting out of bed at eight then

800
00:53:43.200 --> 00:53:49.680
starting at five might just be too crazy you start at 7 45 because you want incremental sustainable

801
00:53:49.680 --> 00:53:55.200
a practice becomes a habit becomes a reflex becomes a lifestyle becomes a state of being

802
00:53:55.520 --> 00:54:01.520
so that's a journey that you're going to take so you're up 5 15 pray hit the gym you're how long

803
00:54:01.520 --> 00:54:07.680
are you spending moving your body and what type of exercise do you do so normally i when i'm back

804
00:54:07.680 --> 00:54:13.200
in at home in south carolina it's wrong around one hour and then i drive directly to work but

805
00:54:13.200 --> 00:54:18.960
now here i created also here like a new habit just in the beginning of the year because i want to

806
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:24.320
keep it even shorter on 30 minutes so now i just do 30 minutes but even more efficient

807
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:30.000
so even more effective what normally takes one hour i put into 30 minutes because afterwards i

808
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.960
can take a cold shower this is also one of my rhythms because cold shower is especially for

809
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:40.640
immune system waking up it's just amazing guys try it out i've been doing i've been doing the

810
00:54:40.640 --> 00:54:47.840
cold showers cold showers lately as well i i have to tell them because the other day sabrina also

811
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:52.240
said it for this week actually also as a goal intention to have cold showers and i was just

812
00:54:52.240 --> 00:54:59.840
here on my couch and i just heard as well it feels good it feels good

813
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.920
the funny thing about cold showers here is that we live at the beach and it's summer

814
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:08.000
and the water's not actually that cold whereas when we used to live in the mountains and you do

815
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.400
a cold shower in the mountains in the winter versus a cold shower at the beach in the summer

816
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:17.520
it's like you're getting the cold shower you're like oh but whereas down there you feel like you

817
00:55:17.520 --> 00:55:23.600
know like you've been hit by a train it's a big difference it's a big difference for sure

818
00:55:24.080 --> 00:55:29.600
Sabrina yeah yeah no go ahead oh so no so that's cool so you're spending like just a half an hour

819
00:55:29.600 --> 00:55:33.280
or so a day moving your body and what type of stuff are you doing are you doing cardio what

820
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:39.280
what are you yeah it's like it's like what we call imam or tabata oh yeah yeah yeah like that

821
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:45.040
kind of hits training which is chipper and this is something what i also really love about it

822
00:55:45.040 --> 00:55:50.960
doesn't matter which state you are if you are a busy mom if you are also traveling like me and

823
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:57.200
you have to work a lot you do you find always time at least 30 minutes to do or even less like

824
00:55:57.200 --> 00:56:03.040
sometimes 20 minutes is enough to do a quick good workout yeah absolutely hard into the into the day

825
00:56:03.040 --> 00:56:08.720
personally so um for if you wondered what an imam is it stands for every minute on the minute

826
00:56:08.720 --> 00:56:17.120
right boom every minute on the minute um yeah sweet okay so Sabrina what's kind of the rhythm

827
00:56:17.120 --> 00:56:25.200
that you've created for you that the rhythm enables the lifestyle so every day is different

828
00:56:25.200 --> 00:56:32.320
i try to keep like the same kind of um like series but uh sometimes you know like especially here

829
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:36.560
we're traveling like i wake up in the morning sometimes we do the workout together so i wake

830
00:56:36.560 --> 00:56:40.960
up with him we go to the gym together but sometimes i just say no i'm gonna do yoga later

831
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.960
so what i always start with is just you know really like got me time even if it's just five

832
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:50.240
minutes when we run out but like just have that little quick connection for the day and that

833
00:56:50.240 --> 00:56:55.360
acknowledgement and gratitude and then you know i often just do if i have time like i do a journal

834
00:56:55.360 --> 00:57:01.520
like i do a bible study um and i have an app for that so just to really get me consumed with with

835
00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:08.480
you know just um good you know like portion of god and then um i just go so go to the gym for

836
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:13.680
example do workouts there uh sometimes again we do this together where i have my own workout

837
00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:20.400
um where i do this um or i have tabata in the morning so on like tuesdays and thursdays i do

838
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.960
like free tabata classes um because it helped us so much in the pandemic with family in germany

839
00:57:25.520 --> 00:57:32.320
so you know again i also work out now you've got a facebook group where you do tabata right which

840
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:37.360
is just like it's kind of a workout system is that an open invite there or how does that work

841
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:43.120
so everybody yeah i just created this for free because uh we did this with our family and so i

842
00:57:43.120 --> 00:57:48.000
just said you know what this is so cool and i felt like tabata was not very known and a lot of

843
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:54.080
people really i talked to just don't know what it is but it is also my client what's tabata

844
00:57:54.800 --> 00:58:00.000
so basically 40 minute workout we have eight different exercises like air squats or you know

845
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.760
push-ups or you know all completely just no equipment just you're mad just you and you can

846
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:12.240
do it everywhere and um simply have eight different exercises which you do 20 seconds work 10 seconds

847
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:17.760
break and then you know you move on to the next um you know so you do this eight times for example

848
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:22.640
air squats yeah you know 20 seconds work 10 seconds break and then again 20 seconds work 10 seconds

849
00:58:22.640 --> 00:58:27.520
break eight times and then you switch to the next yeah push-ups and then you do that and you know

850
00:58:27.520 --> 00:58:31.360
it's like 40 minutes you know you're gonna be done if you only have 30 minutes then just do

851
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:37.600
six exercises but you're also done and you have to work out so i love to not think when i work out

852
00:58:37.600 --> 00:58:42.960
and just crush it and do it and don't even you know yeah very cool yeah cool well hey guys we're

853
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:48.240
gonna um we're gonna bring it to a wrap up but uh what i'll do is if anyone's looking for a group

854
00:58:48.240 --> 00:58:53.520
to join to get some ideas on workouts that they want to do if they want to check out tabata and

855
00:58:53.520 --> 00:58:58.480
check out jumping on board with that i'll send the link out um to the crew and if anyone wants

856
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:05.120
to jump on board with your tabata that will be awesome and uh then you had one other thing that

857
00:59:05.120 --> 00:59:10.400
you were keen to share with everyone as well um yeah so basically because we're talking about

858
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.520
rhythms and to be honest for me everything in my life especially my comeback was about rhythms

859
00:59:16.080 --> 00:59:23.840
and i discovered like a five audio series on sacred rhythms it's especially like also just

860
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:29.200
you know getting distractions out focus and then you know having that connection with god i guess

861
00:59:29.200 --> 00:59:34.880
just a beautiful series that got me just so much thinking and it's you know applicable for all areas

862
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.760
of your life of relationship of health of you know spirit but it's just been such a good help

863
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:44.400
and i've been sharing it with friends and family and um so it's not you know i don't take the

864
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:49.120
credit for it it's just something that has really helped me on my journey and helped me learn about

865
00:59:49.120 --> 00:59:55.120
sacred rhythms on a fundamental basis and so um you know i just you know whoever is open to just

866
00:59:55.120 --> 00:59:59.920
hear something during their car during you know ride like i just um wanted to to

867
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.240
share that as a value. That's great. Well, I'll, I'll grab those things from you guys,

868
01:00:06.240 --> 01:00:11.600
and I'll put them in the email. And I've also got a handout from Professor Robin to send out to

869
01:00:11.600 --> 01:00:16.880
everyone from her presentation yesterday. So I'll be sending out some handouts to everyone,

870
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:25.120
which is going to be really good stuff. And as we come to a close, I'm just gonna get I just love to

871
01:00:25.120 --> 01:00:32.960
hear from everyone quickly. I love to hear just as a last thing, what is something that you would

872
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:39.680
like to make as you know, just a small goal? What's a small goal that you want to see that

873
01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:44.720
you're like, yeah, I want to make I want to make a rhythm shift in my life. So just drop in the

874
01:00:44.720 --> 01:00:49.920
comments what something small, something sustainable that you want to make as a rhythm

875
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:55.440
shift. Now think about it like this from the Divine Health Summit, you might pick up a couple

876
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:01.440
of things here that enable you to make a two degree shift. But if you make a sustainable two degree

877
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:06.320
shift, because of what you've learned in the summit, you know, over time, that two degree

878
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:11.840
shift, it makes a huge impact, you know, it can stay with you for your entire life, and cause

879
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:17.040
a significant transformation over time. Or you might end up finding, man, I actually found

880
01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:21.680
something that enabled me to make a 15 degree shift you've made, and it's massive transformation.

881
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But that's what I'd love to hear from you is just drop in the comments something that sounds like

882
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an achievable incremental action that you can take that will produce change. So

883
01:01:34.160 --> 01:01:40.560
I'm all missing some cool things here. And communion every morning, cool stuff dropping

884
01:01:40.640 --> 01:01:47.920
in there like the sound of that, guys. So Daniel and Sabrina, it has been an absolute honor and

885
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:55.360
delight to be with you to hear your story. And so, so delighted, you know, to see you come back

886
01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:01.920
out of a place that was a real challenge. And then also, I just love as well how for you,

887
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:09.760
you've created a rhythm that and that rhythm enables you to live some pretty amazing dreams.

888
01:02:11.520 --> 01:02:14.800
Yes, thank you so much, Benji. Really, really enjoyed it.

889
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:21.040
Cool. Well, again, lots of love to you. I think we should finish off just very, very quickly.

890
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.120
I'm going to share my screen again. And very quickly, what we're going to do is we're going

891
01:02:25.120 --> 01:02:30.880
to finish off, I'm just going to watch this one more time. Here's Colorado, here's these guys,

892
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:37.760
and it's cool just to appreciate this knowing how much their backstory is and what their journey

893
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:51.600
has been to be able to come to this point. So let's hit it one more time in the mountains.

894
01:03:08.640 --> 01:03:17.600
So

895
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:37.040
nice. Love it. Well, thank you both so much. I'm excited to see you.

896
01:03:38.560 --> 01:03:44.800
More of the journey going forward and lots of love to you both. And we'll see around. And everyone,

897
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I'll send out the links to you for the info on Sacred Rhythms. And also, if you want to jump in

898
01:03:51.040 --> 01:03:56.800
with the jibada class and learn a little bit about that in the Facebook group, it'll be fun too. So

899
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:00.400
bless you and we'll catch you real soon. Bye.

900
01:04:00.640 --> 01:04:08.880
Bye. Oh, actually, just before I wrap it up, I'll be live in just under two hours with Professor

901
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.360
Robin and Jana for our very last session for the summit. And thanks everyone for jumping

902
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.440
on board. Bless you. Bye-bye.