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Hello and welcome.

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All of you beautiful people that you are just logging in,

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hello and welcome from Vancouver,

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wherever you are in the world.

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It is a beautiful Saturday morning here,

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9 a.m.

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It is a wintery day.

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A number of you are connecting to audio.

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We are going to be talking about perfectionism

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versus the spirit of excellence.

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What the differences are.

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The good, the bad, and the ugly.

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We are going to be talking about the spirit of excellence and how

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to be perfect.

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I see all of you are connecting to audio.

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I will give you a few minutes.

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That is so fun that you are cooking dinner.

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No worries, put on video whenever you can.

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I'm glad you are with us.

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That is so great.

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How are you?

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I can't hear you.

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How are you?

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Good.

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Good to see you.

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We both are wearing white.

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We got the memo.

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I think I wore that sweater the last time.

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Is it super cold there?

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It is winter.

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It is super cold.

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It is a mountain.

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How is it in India?

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It is very hot here.

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We have the air conditioner going.

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We have beautiful people joining us.

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We are on audio call right now.

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We are going to give a few more minutes.

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I was letting people know.

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This is our third kingdom creative chat.

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We are going to be talking today about the difference between

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perfectionism and the spirit of excellence.

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The good, the bad, the ugly of perfectionism.

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And the beauty and power of the spirit of excellence.

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It is going to be a really good conversation.

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I am so excited to hear what he has to say.

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For those of you who don't know who he is,

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he is a brilliant artist,

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musician, songwriter,

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digital guru.

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Incredible.

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He has so much to say in this space.

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Of navigating good art and the creative process.

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He has so much to say in this space.

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And then has a lot to say about what perfectionism actually is and the good, the bad, and the

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ugly of it, that there actually can be really good things to strive for that excellence.

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But when it's got all of the other dynamics to it that can be harmful to our humanity

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or keep us in fear or shame or out of a performance striving thing.

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But the beauty of it when we actually want to create really good art and we want to actually

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be the best versions of ourselves and let excellence be the thing that motivates us

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and leads us into the fullness rather than just kind of doing kind of so-so mediocre

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stuff.

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We don't want to be marked by mediocre.

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We want to be marked by excellence.

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But in our creative process, we are all going to start at beginner level.

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We are going to start at being terrible at things and yet allowing love and delight of

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the father and allowing who God has made us to be, not the comparison towards other

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people because comparison is a thief of joy and comparison actually robs us being the

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authentic version of who we've been created to be.

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So not getting caught up in that, but there's so many layers to this.

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There's so many dynamics to this conversation and to this whole topic.

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So I'm really looking forward to jumping into it with Zylan and to hear from different ones

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of you.

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It's just going to be a really great conversation.

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So hopefully there'll be some more people.

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I know it is the Christmas season.

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It is a busy time of year, especially as we're just two weeks out from Christmas.

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So I know a lot of people were wanting to join, but they're unable to because they've

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got some other plans with Christmas, which is totally understandable.

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But for those of you that are with us, we're so grateful.

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And for those of you that are watching on the replay, we love you and we hope that you're

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really blessed by this conversation.

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So Zylan, what's something that you do for Christmas in India?

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What's like a Christmas tradition?

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Oh, I can't hear you again.

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I think it's the same stuff, you know.

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Obviously, we don't get snow and stuff here, but people actually make Christmas trees and

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Christmas lunch and cakes and stars and, you know, visiting friends and family.

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Pretty much the same thing, you know.

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What's your, like, favorite Christmas drink?

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Like, is it like, I guess it wouldn't be hot chocolate and like all the hot drinks.

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It'd probably be a cold drink.

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To be very honest, I don't think so.

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I mean, personally, me, we don't, like, celebrate in such an intense way.

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I mean, I don't have a special Christmas drink as such, you know.

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Totally.

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Here in Canada, it's like, there's so many.

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At Starbucks, there would be, like, all the different, like, Christmassy drinks or there'd

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be, like, mulled wine or hot apple cider or the peppermint mocha hot chocolates or, you

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know, like all of the different, like, fun things.

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And then if you, like, if people drink alcohol, there's a whole lot of different festive drinks

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that way, too.

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But just the fun, like, hot apple cider with, like, caramel and whipped cream on top or

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peppermint mochas or, yeah, mulled wine or just, like, different, like, cidery things.

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It's so, like, I love it.

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I just love all of the flavors and textures.

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And one of my friends is doing Christmas baking today, so I'm going to go over to her house,

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so that'll be fun.

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I love all, like, festive.

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And a couple of my friends are actually bakers.

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They're actually doing it.

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And I've ordered a couple of cakes from one of my friends, and I'm still waiting for her

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to finish it, you know?

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That's awesome.

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That's awesome.

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Well, beautiful people, I keep seeing more of you hop online.

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So good to have you with us.

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Welcome, welcome to the Kingdom Creative Chat.

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We're so glad that you're tuning in from all over the world.

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We're so glad that you're here.

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Me and Dylan are just kind of chatting about Christmas, just saying hello before we kind

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of get into our conversation on perfectionism versus the spirit of excellence.

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And so we're really glad that you're with us.

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Lisa, it's so good to see your face.

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There's so many people that are just on audio, but we can see your face.

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It's so beautiful to see your wonderful face.

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Thor?

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Oh, I'm so sorry.

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We can't hear you.

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Do you want to unmute for a moment?

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I just said it's four in the morning.

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Oh, four in the morning.

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You are amazing.

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Where are you tuning in from?

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Sydney, Australia.

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Wow.

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You're incredible.

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Feel blessed I'm here.

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You are.

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You should be.

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Oh, very blessed.

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So glad that you're here with us.

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I think God said, yes, no, you've got to get up.

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So that's why.

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Wow.

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Amazing.

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Well, thank you for joining us.

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We're so glad you're here.

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here. It's good to see your face too, Rudy. So good to see you.

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Where are you tuning in from?

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I'm in Congo. Yeah, Congo. Yeah. Wow. I'm on the African

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continent. Yeah. Amazing. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. What time is it for

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you in Congo? It's 6pm. Amazing. Well, welcome. We're so glad

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that you're with us. Thank you. So great.

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Was Island, why don't we kick this off? I would love to just

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hear from you. Maybe even just you can let people know kind of

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the artistry that you're involved in the creative process

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just like maybe a little bit of what you do. And then maybe some

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of your thoughts. Yeah, of what? Perfectionism, it really we

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this will be a big conversation. We'll go lots of different

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places. But maybe you can just let us know kind of some of the

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key things that are in your heart.

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Yeah, sure. Do you want to pray and start?

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Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Father, I just say thank you so

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much for this gift and opportunity to be with one

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another today. Thank you for the gift of gathering with creatives

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and your sons and daughters from all over the world. Father, I

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thank you for each one of them. Thank you for the gifts and the

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skills, the talents, the abilities. Thank you for your

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hand of favor upon each one. Thank you for your destiny and

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your purpose. In each one. Thank you for your great love and your

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faithfulness for each one that is here live with us and everyone

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that is going to be watching on the replay. Father, we just ask

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for this time that you would release the spirit of wisdom and

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revelation. I pray that you would just release your heart

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that you would speak in the midst of us that you would just

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be releasing wisdom and your heart when it comes to creating

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and allowing art to be expressed through our lives God that would

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bring you glory that would release heaven that would be a

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beautiful expression of who you are and who you've created us to

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be. And so would you give us wisdom as we talk about this

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today? Would you open our eyes? Would you come and drop things

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in our spirit? We just ask Holy Spirit that you would lead us

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into encounter in this time that you would cause our hearts to

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come alive. God, I pray that you would cleanse us and break us

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free from fear and shame and anything that would hold us back

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and us being the truest, most authentic versions of who we've

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been created to be. So we just say where the Spirit of the Lord

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is there is freedom. We welcome you Holy Spirit. We welcome the

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Spirit of light and love and abundance. We welcome the

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creative one, the master of creativity, you King Jesus.

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Father, would you speak? Would you move? Would you release your

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love? Would you release your voice and your presence to each

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one of us right now in Jesus name? Come and be with Zion as

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he speaks. And yeah, God, we're just so expectant for what

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you're going to do in this next hour. In Jesus name. Amen.

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Amen. Wow, that's beautiful. Hello, everybody. I'm Zion. For

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those who don't know me. I'm an artist. I'm a musician. I play

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music. I am actually a drummer and singer songwriter. And

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apart from music, I'm interested in a little bit of filmmaking

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and graphic designing and stuff. So it's been a wonderful

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journey for me to evolve as an artist. And I live here in India

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in the south of India, and I travel around and play music and

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you know, talk to people and stuff. So I'm so privileged and

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honored to be here with you guys. And so so happy. And thank

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you, Dana for amazing intro and all. I was thinking, I mean,

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what I'm gonna say, you know, the thing is, to be very honest,

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I'm also kind of struggle with this word perfectionism. I think

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everybody actually, in a way or another, are having, you know,

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some sort of perfectionism in us. And growing up, actually,

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I'm so blessed to be in a family where my cousins and you know,

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all the people had a lot of artistic skill, you know, a lot

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of musicians and painters and artists, you know, where, like

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growing up,

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I was surrounded with a lot of people, you know,

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from the family.

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So, and it was easy for me to like pick up an instrument

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and just play, it all came like very naturally,

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but at the same time, you know,

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that fear of like being perfect was also a big thing,

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you know?

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So, and growing up, I somehow, you know,

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you know, try to be like over-critic of myself

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and critic others.

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It's really hard for me to like, you know,

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to appreciate others, you know?

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I mean, I didn't know that, I mean for,

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I think now when I look back,

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I know that it was very mature, you know?

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Because like evolving as a person, as an artist,

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you know, it's actually, it's a journey, you know?

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And it's not a very linear kind of process,

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you know, it's more like a circular kind of process,

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you know, it takes time, you know,

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sometimes we get stuck,

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we just go back to the place that we started, you know?

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I mean, right now when I look back, I can understand that,

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but growing up, I was this person in our circle

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who is hard to impress, you know?

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You know, when I, I mean, people used to hate me for this,

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and I think still a lot of my friends actually don't like

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this character of mine, you know?

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I mean, it's, I always actually like see the negative,

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the imperfect thing, and I'm a very opinionated person,

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and so immature, you know?

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So I just say it, you know?

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And I think I've hurt a lot of people,

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even, I mean, I actually been hard to myself as well.

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But, you know, as we get into the light of the beauty

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of God, and, you know, then all the perspective changes,

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we understand, right now I understand that, you know,

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it was, there's nothing called like,

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like we are all imperfect beings, you know?

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So whatever we do is imperfect,

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and if you think that this is a perfect thing,

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somebody else will think that, no, it's not, you know?

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So it's actually, it's pretty relative,

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and being, perfectionism was,

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still, it's a challenging thing.

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I don't know, I'm in a place

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where I actually overcome this thing.

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I'm still growing and learning as an artist,

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as an individual, but what I've learned through the years,

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that perfectionism is a personality disorder, you know?

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That's what the, you know, the science says.

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Actually, it's a personality disorder,

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and, you know, it roots from a lot of, you know,

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childhood traumas and, you know, character flaws and stuff,

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you know, because you create unrealistic expectations

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from yourself, you know,

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and which can lead you to procrastinations,

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and, you know, you never, like, unproductivity, you know?

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There are a lot of negative things, you know,

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when you're being perfect.

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I mean, try to be perfect, you know?

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There's nothing called, only,

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there's nothing called, like, super perfecting, you know?

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Whatever we do, because we are imperfect beings,

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whatever we do can have some sort of flaws and imperfect,

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and that's the whole point, you know?

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I mean, I'm still learning to see the beauty

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in the, in that imperfect, you know, scenario, you know?

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I mean, it's all about actually cultivating a mind

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of seeing things in a very godly perspective,

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as Diana mentioned that, you know,

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we have to strive for a spirit of excellency

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than perfectionism, you know?

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Right now, as an artist, I actually mentioned that.

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I mean, it's a journey.

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We are evolving as an artist.

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I mean, I might be better at something, you know,

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next year, because the only way that we grow.

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as an artist, as a creative people is,

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you know, just to,

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you know, create and publish and critique and repeat,

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you know, that's the only way, you know,

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it's basically, it's a practice.

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At the same time, for me,

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I'm just learning to,

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because I had this fear of doing something,

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because I had like unrealistic expectation of myself.

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I thought of like, you know,

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especially when I started writing songs and all,

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like, you know, I don't write like, you know,

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I have friends who actually rewrite a song

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for 250 times and stuff, I'm not exaggerating.

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When I think about that, I mean,

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their songs are pretty nice though, very, very great.

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It's surgical, you know?

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And for me, I mean, I can't do that kind of thing.

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I can do it, but it will be,

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for me, it's too much mental thing, you know,

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just putting so much work and seeing it again and again

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and again and again and again,

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because at the end of the day,

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when I think that this is the perfect thing,

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someone will find a flaw in it, you know?

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What's the point?

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I mean, if you're publishing a stuff

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and a hundred people look at the same stuff

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in a hundred different ways, you know,

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and it won't be appealing to everybody.

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So what's the point of like, you know, being so perfect?

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But of course I have to strive for,

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because this is what I believe that,

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what divine us as an artist, as a creative person

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is our ability to judge, right?

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To what is good, because in the,

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between the end, between the beginning

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and the end of an artwork on a project or whatever it is,

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I mean, we have to find that it's not good enough

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because otherwise we don't push, you know, to be the,

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you know, it just always, it's, I mean,

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in that way, we need to like have some sort of perfectionism,

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some sort of standards, actually, I would say,

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to judge, you know, judge our process, you know,

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just to see it as not good enough,

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because that's what actually makes us to push ourselves

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and, you know, bring the better out of it.

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Yes.

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You know, and I think that's a very,

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this is what I've heard,

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that there are two kinds of perfectionism.

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One is adaptive perfectionism,

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and the other one is maladaptive perfectionism.

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The adaptive perfectionism is a positive perfectionism,

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which I actually just explained, you know,

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because you actually do it with your, like,

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current ability, you know, on a maximum level,

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and you just finish it, you have a deadline,

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you just finish and publish,

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and, you know, you're willing to take critique,

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and, you know, just, it's a positive thing.

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And the maladaptive thing is that it's very toxic,

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actually, it's literally makes you unhappy,

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and, you know, self-sabotage,

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and, you know, a lot of negativity into our lives,

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you know, some people get depressed,

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and, you know, because it's actually driven by fear,

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you know, just fear of failures,

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fear of taking a critique from other people.

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So I think what we need to strive is,

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it's a, my point is, it's a journey, you know,

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it's a journey, we have to,

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you know, I'm actually,

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one of the things that I am actually pushing myself to,

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I've heard this thing called a 70% rule, 70% rule.

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The thing is, you know, if you do something,

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don't aim for 100%, aim for 70%, you know?

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So then it's less struggle, then you will do it,

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because the moment you set a goal of doing something,

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you know, 100% perfect, you're never gonna do it,

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because, and the other thing I've heard that,

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you know, when you critic judge a final product,

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just do it twice.

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Once you finish it, just look at it,

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I mean, what it is, is it good or bad?

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Then after some hours or some days, only twice, you know?

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Because the moment, if you are a person that,

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you finish a product and,

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because I know some of my friends

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who are actually working on a song for years,

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they just start a track and they just work on it,

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work on it, work on it, work on it, work, work, work, work.

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Finally, they don't reach any place, you know,

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they make like, it's a very unhappy destination.

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So it's better to like, you know, just be practical.

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One more thing I just wanted to add

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that changed my entire perspective

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about creating something is I had a friend,

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I still have a friend, and it was an artist,

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not like a really great artist or something,

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but this person is always actually doing stuff, you know.

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Painting, and it's like, most of the time,

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this person is actually working.

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And it wasn't that great.

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And I was like deep in my heart,

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and I was like, you know, so it's not very impressive.

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But the thing, the person told me that,

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dude, this is not my masterpiece.

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You know, these are my road to my masterpiece.

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And I was like, wow.

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Wow.

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I mean, there is so much freedom there, right?

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So here I am actually trying to, you know,

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write the best thing, but I don't know how to do it.

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So I'm not doing it.

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And there is another person who is maybe, you know,

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I don't wanna say that less talented or gifted or whatever,

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but somebody who actually trying to work and work and work.

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And, you know, definitely they will be

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much better than me for sure.

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So that actually was an eye-opener for me to, you know,

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to see myself in a different perspective, you know,

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just doing it, you know,

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that's the only way that we learn and grow as an artist,

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you know, just by doing it and publish it.

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I'm willing to, you know, give it to the crowd.

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And, you know, there are people who's gonna say

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that it's not that great.

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And, you know, you have that heart,

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the maturity to take it and, you know,

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just to work on it and practice,

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practice, create, publish, critique, repeat.

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PCPR, PC, PCPR, yeah.

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But that's the only way that we grow.

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I think I'm actually still learning.

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And I think it's a process.

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I'm still learning how to, you know,

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see myself, you know, give grace to myself.

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And also like see good things in other stuff,

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you know, to appreciate,

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because I'm pushing myself to see the beauty, you know,

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because every people are growing

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in different, different levels actually.

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So to appreciating their growth, you know,

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just accepting where they are as an artist,

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as an individual, as a person,

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it takes so much maturity, so much character,

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you know, to see that.

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I'm still learning and growing.

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I think it's been a really beautiful journey

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for the last couple of years.

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I mean, I've seen there's a major change is happening

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in my way of creating stuff and appreciating stuff.

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At the same time, you know,

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being a better writer or better musician, you know,

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so that actually helped me to practice

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and, you know, just work on my craft, you know.

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So, and it's okay for me to, like, you know,

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it's okay to, yeah.

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I think it's a beautiful journey.

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I mean, now I can handle criticism and, you know,

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say people say that to me, it's not that great.

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I was like, that's cool.

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I would like to know, I mean,

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why they said it's not good, you know,

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because then if there is something that I can, like,

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you know, like, you know, what improved,

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then that's a great place to start.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like at the end of the day, my point,

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the whole point is it's a journey, you know,

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and you have to look at, I had to look at myself,

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why I am being so perfectionist, you know,

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why I behave that way, why I'm seeing this way.

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The moment I started to ask that question to myself,

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I've seen a lot of character flows,

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a lot of immaturity and a lot of stuff in me, you know,

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the moment when I started changing that stuff,

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giving that part to God and the spirit of God

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to work in my heart and, you know,

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my artistry, everything changes

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and I'm improving as an artist.

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Yeah, you want to say something?

503
00:29:41.120 --> 00:29:42.000
That is so good.

504
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.840
Yeah.

505
00:29:42.840 --> 00:29:44.520
You've just said so many good things.

506
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:49.200
I just want to kind of put a few things on like the table

507
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.200
just for us to kind of dialogue.

508
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.000
One thing that you were mentioning that I think is so good

509
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.000
is for us to know that our identity is separate.

510
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.120
from what we produce, because when we think what we produce

511
00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:07.080
is actually, and it's a difficult thing

512
00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:11.000
because actually what we produce comes out of who we are,

513
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.000
but if we're able to get to a place of confidence and love

514
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.560
of who the father says that we are

515
00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:19.240
and who we are as an individual,

516
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:24.040
then we're able to hold what we create

517
00:30:24.040 --> 00:30:29.040
and produce with humility that it can receive criticism

518
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.080
or it can receive feedback.

519
00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:35.400
And so we're not then feeling like, oh my gosh,

520
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.640
so sensitive, like I'm a terrible person

521
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.680
or that wasn't a good thing, so that means I'm not good

522
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.760
or that needs to change or that needs to be improved upon.

523
00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:49.880
Now I'm terrible and insecure and feeling like a failure

524
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.320
and feeling like I'm not good enough

525
00:30:51.320 --> 00:30:52.940
and I'm not worthy of love,

526
00:30:52.940 --> 00:30:56.160
which is so much of what happens from perfectionism

527
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.040
because the root of perfectionism is fear.

528
00:30:59.040 --> 00:31:01.640
And actually the core need for us

529
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:03.640
is that we need to feel loved,

530
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.800
we need to feel seen and known and celebrated.

531
00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:09.520
And so the difference between the kingdom of heaven

532
00:31:09.520 --> 00:31:12.840
and the father is that we're starting from a place

533
00:31:12.840 --> 00:31:14.560
that we're already celebrated.

534
00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:17.040
We're starting from a place that we're worthy of love.

535
00:31:17.040 --> 00:31:20.920
We're starting from a place that if we never do anything,

536
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.880
we are fully loved and celebrated

537
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.560
and bring so much joy to his heart.

538
00:31:25.560 --> 00:31:30.280
But then when we allow that love and celebration,

539
00:31:30.280 --> 00:31:34.360
that identity to actually root us and ground us in love,

540
00:31:34.360 --> 00:31:37.280
then it shifts the motivation of our heart

541
00:31:37.280 --> 00:31:39.400
to why we're doing what we're doing.

542
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.360
And because then as an artist or as a creative

543
00:31:42.360 --> 00:31:43.880
in whatever we're doing,

544
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.040
we're not doing something so that we get love,

545
00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:49.760
we're not doing something so that we are celebrated,

546
00:31:49.760 --> 00:31:53.180
that we get affirmation and identity from it,

547
00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:56.420
we're actually doing it from a place of love.

548
00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:59.900
We are affirmed, we are celebrated, we are worthy,

549
00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:02.660
we know who the father says that we are,

550
00:32:02.660 --> 00:32:06.340
and we're then creating from that place of confidence

551
00:32:06.340 --> 00:32:10.540
and love and worship and relationship with him.

552
00:32:10.540 --> 00:32:13.460
And so I think the motivation is everything.

553
00:32:13.460 --> 00:32:14.420
Wouldn't you agree?

554
00:32:17.620 --> 00:32:21.700
Oh no, you're muted again, I'm so sorry.

555
00:32:22.460 --> 00:32:23.300
I agree.

556
00:32:23.300 --> 00:32:27.980
Yeah, I think you made like really some great points.

557
00:32:30.100 --> 00:32:32.260
That's the right way to articulate it.

558
00:32:32.260 --> 00:32:35.700
It's actually connected to our identity, no?

559
00:32:37.860 --> 00:32:38.700
Yeah.

560
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:40.900
Yeah, I think at the moment,

561
00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:42.460
any person who actually,

562
00:32:42.460 --> 00:32:44.980
I think this is what I recommend to all the people,

563
00:32:44.980 --> 00:32:47.140
if you're an artist or a non-artist,

564
00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:50.220
always, always do some inner engineering,

565
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:54.180
just work on yourself and work on your identity,

566
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:56.340
just give that part,

567
00:32:56.340 --> 00:32:59.940
because most of the people doesn't care about

568
00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:01.980
what's happening in the world.

569
00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:06.980
They don't see themselves as it is.

570
00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:11.740
And I mean, the moment that you actually

571
00:33:11.740 --> 00:33:13.660
started to work on that self,

572
00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:16.900
especially as an artist, it's very, very important.

573
00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:20.020
The moment you start to work on your heart,

574
00:33:21.740 --> 00:33:26.740
your identity, it's gonna be like a break free thing.

575
00:33:28.780 --> 00:33:29.620
Totally.

576
00:33:29.620 --> 00:33:33.060
Are we all supposed to speak

577
00:33:33.060 --> 00:33:35.180
or are we keeping quiet for one another?

578
00:33:35.180 --> 00:33:36.220
How is it working?

579
00:33:36.220 --> 00:33:38.220
Yeah, sorry, we just kind of dialogue a little bit

580
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:40.100
and then we open it up for conversation.

581
00:33:40.100 --> 00:33:41.700
So we're kind of communicating

582
00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.260
and kind of like sharing and coaching

583
00:33:44.260 --> 00:33:46.140
and teaching in this portion.

584
00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:47.900
And then we'll open it up for different-

585
00:33:47.900 --> 00:33:49.740
Shall I mute?

586
00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:50.820
Yeah, just a moment.

587
00:33:50.820 --> 00:33:51.940
Yeah, that'd be great.

588
00:33:53.100 --> 00:33:58.100
And so the other thing I wanted to mention was

589
00:33:59.020 --> 00:34:02.020
because everything in our life is spirit, right?

590
00:34:02.020 --> 00:34:04.100
So the spirit realm is so real

591
00:34:04.100 --> 00:34:08.620
and what we live from always comes from a spirit.

592
00:34:08.620 --> 00:34:12.060
We're always doing something that is driven,

593
00:34:12.060 --> 00:34:14.260
that is motivated, that is birthed

594
00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:15.820
from a motivation and a spirit.

595
00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:18.739
And so that's why as believers, as Christians,

596
00:34:18.739 --> 00:34:21.179
as people that are part of the kingdom of heaven,

597
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:24.020
it's so good to grow in self-awareness

598
00:34:24.020 --> 00:34:26.540
of what is it that is motivating me?

599
00:34:26.540 --> 00:34:29.179
What is it that is inspiring me?

600
00:34:29.179 --> 00:34:32.580
Is it the spirit of fear or is it the spirit of love?

601
00:34:32.580 --> 00:34:34.580
Is it a spirit of competition

602
00:34:34.580 --> 00:34:36.659
or is it a spirit of celebration?

603
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:40.300
Because in the kingdom, there's no comparison.

604
00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:42.540
Comparison is the thief of joy.

605
00:34:42.540 --> 00:34:47.540
Comparison, actually, we're constantly using observation

606
00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:50.380
to evaluate whether people are worthy or not.

607
00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:52.219
But in the kingdom of heaven,

608
00:34:52.219 --> 00:34:55.300
we have eyes to see lenses of love.

609
00:34:55.300 --> 00:34:57.580
We have eyes to see celebration.

610
00:34:57.580 --> 00:35:00.060
And so we can celebrate everyone.

611
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.560
in every season of life, in every part of their development and their growth,

612
00:35:04.560 --> 00:35:09.120
because that's what the father does, because when we're learning to grow as a toddler,

613
00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:14.000
and we're kind of taking our first few steps, or we're learning to eat, or we're learning to paint,

614
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:18.880
our parents don't go, oh that's terrible, you're five years old and you're in kindergarten and

615
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:24.960
you're finger painting. No, the parent comes and completely is like, wow, look at those colors,

616
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:30.080
look at your fingers, this is amazing, and you put the artwork up on the wall, and you show it

617
00:35:30.080 --> 00:35:34.000
to everyone, and when they're learning to play an instrument, and they're terrible, and they

618
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:41.040
can barely strum, or they're playing the flute, it's the celebration of, hey, I'm interested in

619
00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:46.240
this, I want to express myself this way, I want to learn and grow, and so as we mature and grow

620
00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:51.520
in our youth, in our adulthood, there's always room for celebration, because that's the kingdom

621
00:35:51.600 --> 00:35:56.400
of heaven, and that's where the spirit of excellence comes in, because if we're motivated

622
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:03.600
by love and celebration, the spirit of excellence is going, the actual motivation for me to do this,

623
00:36:03.600 --> 00:36:11.280
and to do it well, with excellence and skill, is because I want to give unto the Lord something

624
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:17.040
that is my very best. I want to love the Lord with all of my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

625
00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:23.680
I want to be wholehearted in what I am called to do, purpose to do, what I've been created to do.

626
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:31.280
I want to give it my very best. I want to actually create wholeheartedly, and I want to give God

627
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:36.720
something worthy, something beautiful, and now, that's where, when it's from the motivation of

628
00:36:36.720 --> 00:36:43.520
love, we can look at anything we create in our process, and go, wow, I'm going to look with eyes

629
00:36:43.520 --> 00:36:50.880
of love. I'm not going to judge it, criticize it, because that's actually the way

630
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:57.120
that the enemy does. The enemy is the accuser of the brethren, and he comes to discourage, criticize,

631
00:36:57.120 --> 00:37:03.760
judge, make little, make small, and so you always know, is this the father's voice, or this is the enemy

632
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:10.080
voice, because of the fruit of how you feel. Do you feel believed in? Do you feel loved? Do you feel

633
00:37:10.080 --> 00:37:16.880
delighted in? Do you feel encouraged, and like, wow, look what you've done, coached, or do

634
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:23.200
you feel like, I suck, this is no good, I can never do this, doesn't matter how hard I try, I'm never

635
00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:29.280
good enough, no one will ever like this, no one will ever, when we look at our self-talk,

636
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:34.640
and when we look at what's going on behind the scenes in our heart, and we get self-awareness,

637
00:37:34.640 --> 00:37:40.480
we don't have to feel shame about that, we don't have to feel down on ourselves for that, we can

638
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.760
all say that we've gotten caught in that, and we continue to get caught in that. I continue to have

639
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:52.560
to, just like Xylan, break free of perfectionistic mindsets, because of my childhood conditioning,

640
00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:58.240
that if it wasn't perfect, I didn't feel loved, and then it made me not even want to try, and then it

641
00:37:58.240 --> 00:38:03.680
made me go, I have to be the best at everything, because that's where I'm getting my identity from,

642
00:38:03.680 --> 00:38:09.760
but when you allow the love of God to heal that, and restore that, and root you, and ground you in a

643
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:17.280
place of love, and confidence, then the motivation for why you do what you do, isn't I'm trying to do

644
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:23.680
this so that I get love, I get celebration, I get a need met, or I become worthy in the world's eyes,

645
00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:30.960
or friends and family, I'm actually doing this to express who I've been created to be, and just like

646
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:38.560
Xylan was saying, his friend who might not be at the most excellent level of his craft yet,

647
00:38:38.560 --> 00:38:44.800
but he's got freedom, because he's working at it every day, going, I'm on my way to a masterpiece.

648
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:50.640
Sure, this isn't a masterpiece yet, but I'm not defined by this song that may be a five out of ten,

649
00:38:50.640 --> 00:38:56.080
I'm not defined by it, it's a part of me, but next year, my song might be a seven out of ten,

650
00:38:56.160 --> 00:39:00.640
and in two years time, I might write a ten out of ten song, but I'm actually not just

651
00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:06.560
defined by what I create, it's an expression of me, but it's not the definition of my identity,

652
00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:12.960
so I actually get to have freedom on the inside, that I get to suck, that I get to not be very good,

653
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:20.640
I get to learn and grow, and feel fully celebrated, and loved in my process, knowing that my heart

654
00:39:20.640 --> 00:39:26.080
is to produce excellence, because I want to give God something beautiful and worthy, and I want

655
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:34.000
the fruit of my life to actually bear witness to who God is, and He is excellent in all of

656
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:39.360
His ways, and so I want to live like Christ, I want Christ on the inside, the abundant life,

657
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:45.120
the resurrection life of Jesus, I want the creativity of the Father, I want the x-factor

658
00:39:45.120 --> 00:39:52.480
of the supernatural, of the Holy Spirit inside of me, inspiring me, anointing me, baptizing me,

659
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:58.720
giving me wisdom, giving me clarity, giving me insight, like we have God on the inside of us,

660
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.920
completely change the game of our calling,

661
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.720
of our expression, of whatever that looks like.

662
00:40:05.720 --> 00:40:07.760
And so we actually get to have freedom

663
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:08.960
in our creative process

664
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:10.800
that we don't have to have it all together.

665
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.920
Isn't that like liberating?

666
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.280
I find that really liberating.

667
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:20.560
And so we get to strive and work hard

668
00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:25.560
and give our best towards producing something of excellence

669
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.160
and letting go of the world's way of saying

670
00:40:30.160 --> 00:40:33.280
you actually have to be in fear and striving

671
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.080
and burnout mode to try to produce perfection

672
00:40:37.080 --> 00:40:39.220
in which you can never get to.

673
00:40:39.220 --> 00:40:40.620
And at the end of the day,

674
00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:46.120
what matters is the fruit of what you've created.

675
00:40:46.120 --> 00:40:48.840
You want the creative process,

676
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.960
you want it to be this beautiful, intimate expression

677
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.960
of God's spirit in you, that there's like this love exchange

678
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.880
so whatever you produce, whether it's an art piece,

679
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:03.000
a song, a piece of clothing, you draw a building,

680
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.660
you're doing artistry or creativity in the digital space,

681
00:41:06.660 --> 00:41:10.280
you want the spirit that was poured into that

682
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.360
to be so life-giving that whenever someone wears

683
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:17.800
that garment or eats that food or looks at that painting

684
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.320
or listens to that song, they can feel the love,

685
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.000
they can feel the spirit of God in it

686
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.560
because what you invested, what you gave to that

687
00:41:26.560 --> 00:41:31.560
actually takes substance into the very thing that you created

688
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.720
and the fruit of that then has this exponential anointing

689
00:41:35.720 --> 00:41:37.600
on it to carry abundant life

690
00:41:37.600 --> 00:41:39.480
and to carry the kingdom of heaven

691
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.220
rather than it could still be this beautiful thing

692
00:41:43.220 --> 00:41:47.640
but if it was toil and fear and anxiety and stress

693
00:41:47.640 --> 00:41:50.160
that was constantly producing that,

694
00:41:50.160 --> 00:41:52.840
that actually gets inside of that substance

695
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.880
and again, no shame, no blame, no finger pointing,

696
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.680
we've all been there but it's just the invitation

697
00:41:59.680 --> 00:42:03.200
as creatives and artists that we actually get to create

698
00:42:03.200 --> 00:42:05.080
from a place of love, we get to create

699
00:42:05.080 --> 00:42:08.400
from a place of freedom, we get to invite the Holy Spirit

700
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.560
to say, God, perfect love casts out fear,

701
00:42:11.560 --> 00:42:13.280
I don't wanna have any fear in my life

702
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.400
and take away the stress, would you give me anointing?

703
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.960
Would you actually cause my heart to come alive

704
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.120
in freedom and in confidence so that I can create

705
00:42:22.120 --> 00:42:25.000
from a place of abundance and freedom?

706
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.320
So any thoughts, Zylan?

707
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.360
I'm totally agreeing with you, it's so beautifully

708
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.840
actually put it, it's actually the moment we started

709
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.840
make everything out of love, that's how the magic happens,

710
00:42:44.220 --> 00:42:47.320
that's how the real beauty actually come alive,

711
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:52.320
I think that's a great, just being in love,

712
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:55.440
that's the only way.

713
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.520
Totally, and it kind of goes back

714
00:42:57.520 --> 00:42:59.000
to what we were talking about last month,

715
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.080
if you didn't get to join us last month,

716
00:43:02.080 --> 00:43:03.680
it's on the Facebook page,

717
00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:06.320
we talked about finding inspiration

718
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.280
and I think that's the thing that's so important

719
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.200
is that you constantly cause your being to be inspired

720
00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:19.000
and be intentional about what brings inspiration to you,

721
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.520
what causes your heart to be awakened,

722
00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:26.440
what causes your soul to feel alive and fire

723
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:28.800
and yeah, what inspires you,

724
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.240
what causes you to come alive because that keeps,

725
00:43:31.240 --> 00:43:35.040
it's kind of like a relationship, long-term relationship,

726
00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:38.120
you love one another and you want to keep that spark alive,

727
00:43:38.120 --> 00:43:40.920
you wanna be intentional about how you connect

728
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.360
with that person, so what you're creating,

729
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.600
the love that you're creating in your relationship

730
00:43:46.600 --> 00:43:50.960
is life-giving and it's fresh, same thing with creativity,

731
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.400
we don't wanna just do and go through the motions

732
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:54.920
and yeah, I'm doing this, it's like,

733
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:56.640
no, how do I find inspiration,

734
00:43:56.640 --> 00:44:00.160
what do I do that sets my soul ablaze,

735
00:44:00.160 --> 00:44:02.120
how do I bring a fresh angle to this,

736
00:44:02.120 --> 00:44:07.120
how do I get creative about approaching my work

737
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.560
because a lot of us will do our work

738
00:44:09.560 --> 00:44:10.880
and it's creative as an artist,

739
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.880
how do I look at it not as just a job to be done

740
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.680
and something to be perfected

741
00:44:15.680 --> 00:44:17.520
but how do I bring the magic to it,

742
00:44:17.520 --> 00:44:19.040
how do I bring the spark,

743
00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:21.360
how do I bring something life-giving

744
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.960
that causes me to fall in love all over again

745
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.880
because when you're in love, you're electric,

746
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.040
when you're in love, you're awakened and alive

747
00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:33.440
and you've got that sparkle and that shine

748
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.200
and so how do we bring that to the creative process

749
00:44:36.200 --> 00:44:39.880
and get out of just the slave fear mentality

750
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:42.880
and into that liberated love mentality?

751
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.280
So-

752
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:47.120
Yeah, that's beautiful.

753
00:44:47.120 --> 00:44:48.240
Yeah.

754
00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:49.440
I think there are a couple of people

755
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.560
wants to add something or maybe ask questions maybe.

756
00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:53.800
Yeah, totally.

757
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.680
I was just about to say, let's-

758
00:44:56.680 --> 00:45:00.080
Yeah, don't show me that art is my identity.

759
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.060
you know, that's part and he gave me a vision with it as well.

760
00:45:04.060 --> 00:45:06.860
So I like I couldn't do it if it was work. Yeah, we're just

761
00:45:07.100 --> 00:45:12.300
straight off, you know, because and he also keeps telling me

762
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:15.780
it's part of my worship. Yeah, I'm a painter. You see this one

763
00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:23.860
behind you can see. Yeah. Sorry. I said that. It's a yeah, there

764
00:45:23.860 --> 00:45:28.680
you go. So I started in 2019. I obviously abstract. But so I

765
00:45:28.680 --> 00:45:31.580
can't say I can't point to them. I can for me, I can say look,

766
00:45:31.580 --> 00:45:34.920
that's no good. And that's not good. And lots of other people,

767
00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:41.100
some people hate art full stop. But so I mean, I suppressed it

768
00:45:41.100 --> 00:45:46.540
for like decades saying I'm being vulnerable. But it's my

769
00:45:46.540 --> 00:45:49.860
identity. God just revealed it to me. I can't nothing I can do

770
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:53.540
about it. Like anybody know, someone else's. And I don't

771
00:45:53.540 --> 00:45:59.480
believe in perfection either. But it's something I'm being

772
00:46:02.040 --> 00:46:07.880
authentic about. That's, that's all I can do is just get the

773
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.560
maybe the design right. And but it's my identity. And I'm

774
00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:16.080
expressing God and myself. And he showed me a vision of him

775
00:46:16.080 --> 00:46:20.880
dancing with me when I so it's a matter of getting there and

776
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.060
doing it basically.

777
00:46:22.420 --> 00:46:27.420
Oh, I love that Lisa. That is so beautiful. I love it. Like that

778
00:46:27.460 --> 00:46:32.300
picture is stunning. I love abstract art. That is a stunning

779
00:46:32.300 --> 00:46:35.020
piece of art. Like that is beautiful. The texture, the

780
00:46:35.020 --> 00:46:39.220
color, the dynamics, the contrast. I'm like, wow, you

781
00:46:39.220 --> 00:46:41.740
have an incredible gift. And I just

782
00:46:42.700 --> 00:46:47.500
know, that's it. That's good. I couldn't. So that's why I don't

783
00:46:48.120 --> 00:46:51.040
if I feel pressured, and if I felt like it was work, if I

784
00:46:51.040 --> 00:46:55.760
felt like I couldn't do it, you see, I've just said that I was

785
00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:01.000
directed to a certain cause. Yeah. I was told all at once

786
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.120
that no, you know, this is I've always loved it. But this is

787
00:47:05.120 --> 00:47:10.200
you. Yeah. Yeah. And I just suddenly felt freedom to now I

788
00:47:10.200 --> 00:47:14.980
can just go do it. You know? Yeah. In God. And I thought I

789
00:47:14.980 --> 00:47:17.960
told you, I felt sort of vision of God rubbing his hands like

790
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:18.440
that.

791
00:47:22.120 --> 00:47:26.860
Don't you love it? I just love how the father is so committed

792
00:47:26.860 --> 00:47:32.360
to us being created as to be. And he leads us out of our own

793
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:36.520
mindsets and our own, you know, insecurities or our fears. And

794
00:47:36.520 --> 00:47:39.840
he constantly beckons to us and he calls to us and he's like,

795
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.760
Come, this is what I've got for you. And then we begin to like

796
00:47:43.780 --> 00:47:46.740
discover it. And then we're like, Oh my gosh, this is who I

797
00:47:46.740 --> 00:47:49.780
am. This is my identity. And we're fully alive. He's so

798
00:47:49.780 --> 00:47:53.580
committed to us being the full alive expression of who he's

799
00:47:53.580 --> 00:47:55.100
created us to be. I love it.

800
00:47:55.300 --> 00:48:01.220
Amazing. Yeah, how we can put it aside. Like, I thought it was

801
00:48:01.220 --> 00:48:03.740
something evil, like, as I was so passionate about it in my

802
00:48:03.740 --> 00:48:06.860
heart. Yeah. And I thought it would compete with my love for

803
00:48:06.860 --> 00:48:12.380
God, you see. But really, he loves us and who we are as we

804
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:17.240
are. Yes. It's not something to not something to be afraid of.

805
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.840
Yeah. You kept saying about fear, but I mean, God loves us

806
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.280
as we are. Yeah. So long as you surrender it to him, I suppose,

807
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:25.360
you know, see how it is.

808
00:48:25.560 --> 00:48:28.520
Yeah, so good. And I think you bring up a really good point to

809
00:48:28.520 --> 00:48:33.520
Lisa, that I think so much in the church, we think if we do

810
00:48:33.520 --> 00:48:36.960
something that we love, somehow it takes away her love for God.

811
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.460
And God's like, I'm not in competition with what I've

812
00:48:40.460 --> 00:48:44.780
created you to do. I actually as a good father, want to see my

813
00:48:44.780 --> 00:48:49.640
children fully thriving, coming alive. I want to see my children

814
00:48:49.640 --> 00:48:54.720
fully enjoy who they've been created to be. And it's not ever

815
00:48:54.720 --> 00:48:57.440
something that we need to I think so much in the church,

816
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.020
we've heard just to die to ourselves, die, die, die, and

817
00:49:00.020 --> 00:49:03.080
just like put it all down. But it's actually meant to be so

818
00:49:03.080 --> 00:49:05.920
life giving. Zylan, you've got your hand up. We'd love to hear

819
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:06.440
from you.

820
00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:11.540
Well, what Lisa just said, you know, another thing that really

821
00:49:11.540 --> 00:49:15.740
striked me here is I mean, she said, I mean, she's been, you

822
00:49:15.740 --> 00:49:23.100
know, not doing this for years, actually, you know. I mean,

823
00:49:23.100 --> 00:49:27.260
that's one of the things you know, what I just remind me

824
00:49:27.260 --> 00:49:32.220
about the parables of talents, right? The guy who got one

825
00:49:32.520 --> 00:49:39.760
talent, he actually slept over it, actually, you know, because

826
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:45.760
he had such a fear, and a weird idea about his master. And most

827
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.880
of the time, we are actually in the same place, you know, just

828
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.720
because I mean, we are actually kind of scared of doing it

829
00:49:53.720 --> 00:50:00.020
because of insecurity, or maybe unrealistic.

830
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.080
stick expectation, you know?

831
00:50:02.080 --> 00:50:06.480
So we demand so much thing, you know, from ourselves,

832
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.760
or maybe like, there are a lot of factors,

833
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:14.760
but the only way that we can grow is to just, you know,

834
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.480
like as Lisa just said, you know, just do it,

835
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:20.880
just keep doing it, you know,

836
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:25.880
because every art is an extension of the artists, you know?

837
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:30.480
You know, so this is one of my friends said that,

838
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.120
you know, the way anyone play music,

839
00:50:34.120 --> 00:50:36.160
we can literally, not just music,

840
00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:39.120
we can see the person who is actually, you know,

841
00:50:39.120 --> 00:50:40.400
making that sound, you know?

842
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:45.200
Every art is an extension of an artist,

843
00:50:45.200 --> 00:50:47.640
and we are growing, you know?

844
00:50:47.640 --> 00:50:50.800
We are growing, we are evolving as human being,

845
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.120
as child of God, as, you know,

846
00:50:55.080 --> 00:50:56.680
as an artist.

847
00:50:56.680 --> 00:51:01.400
So the only way to freedom is to, you know,

848
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.320
just get out and do it, you know?

849
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:04.600
Just do it.

850
00:51:04.600 --> 00:51:05.440
Yeah.

851
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:06.800
Yeah, that's amazing.

852
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:07.640
Yeah.

853
00:51:07.640 --> 00:51:09.320
Good, yeah.

854
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:10.160
So good, Dylan.

855
00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:11.440
And thank you for sharing, Lisa.

856
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.800
It was so good to hear your heart and your perspective,

857
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.560
and just so glad that you're on the journey

858
00:51:16.560 --> 00:51:20.040
of just expressing yourself fully as a creative

859
00:51:20.040 --> 00:51:22.240
and as a painter and as a daughter.

860
00:51:22.240 --> 00:51:24.120
Yeah, if you have something else to say.

861
00:51:25.640 --> 00:51:26.480
Oh, sorry.

862
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:27.960
Just unmute yourself, love.

863
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:31.840
I was just going to say,

864
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:35.680
maybe I disagree in some points about perfectionism,

865
00:51:35.680 --> 00:51:37.560
what you're saying.

866
00:51:37.560 --> 00:51:38.960
I can't remember which one.

867
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:41.440
But I really believe there's no such thing,

868
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:42.760
but like with people,

869
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.280
I think Zainab, you said that nobody can be perfect.

870
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.640
So you're silly to basically just strive for it,

871
00:51:48.640 --> 00:51:49.640
even in your art,

872
00:51:49.640 --> 00:51:52.600
because I think art is just, like you said,

873
00:51:52.600 --> 00:51:55.360
it's just an expression of who you are

874
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:56.760
and whatever God wants,

875
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.520
but it can never be perfect.

876
00:51:58.520 --> 00:51:59.360
Yeah.

877
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:00.200
You see?

878
00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:01.040
Yeah.

879
00:52:01.040 --> 00:52:04.400
I don't know what it's expressing, but it's...

880
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:05.840
I totally agree with that.

881
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:06.680
Yeah.

882
00:52:06.680 --> 00:52:07.520
I totally agree with that.

883
00:52:07.520 --> 00:52:08.840
Yeah, that's true.

884
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.840
One of the interesting things in psychology,

885
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:15.120
it's so funny.

886
00:52:15.120 --> 00:52:15.960
I think in the world,

887
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.400
we're always going to see different people

888
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:22.560
come at the same theme or topic

889
00:52:22.560 --> 00:52:23.800
with a different point of view.

890
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.640
And I was just actually reading this thing on relationships

891
00:52:27.640 --> 00:52:31.720
from like a trauma-based kind of psychologist

892
00:52:31.720 --> 00:52:32.960
who I really, really love.

893
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.000
And he was talking about relationships.

894
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:36.880
And I actually just want to read it

895
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.520
in the context of relationships,

896
00:52:38.520 --> 00:52:42.840
but in the context of us being able to see perfectionism.

897
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:47.520
And just because it gives a really interesting thing.

898
00:52:47.520 --> 00:52:48.360
He says,

899
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:51.600
love between two people isn't built by being perfect.

900
00:52:51.600 --> 00:52:56.080
Love is built in the safety created by the repair process.

901
00:52:56.080 --> 00:52:56.920
And he says,

902
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.240
I'm totally convinced that one of the greatest killers

903
00:52:59.240 --> 00:53:01.520
of love is perfectionism.

904
00:53:01.520 --> 00:53:03.920
The expectation that you could ever get it right

905
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:06.600
or that your partner could ever get it right all the time

906
00:53:06.600 --> 00:53:08.400
is insane making.

907
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.480
We all have emotional hurt and trauma

908
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.200
from past relationships.

909
00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:15.160
Many times relationships are what causes trauma.

910
00:53:15.160 --> 00:53:17.000
So naturally it's relationships

911
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.680
that can help us heal from past trauma.

912
00:53:19.680 --> 00:53:21.240
Is love a battlefield?

913
00:53:21.240 --> 00:53:22.320
I think not.

914
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.240
Perfectionistic love is a battlefield.

915
00:53:25.240 --> 00:53:26.400
Let's be real.

916
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:28.640
Perfectionistic love isn't love.

917
00:53:28.640 --> 00:53:32.000
It's just a bunch of unrealistic expectations

918
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:33.760
picked up from a childhood

919
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.240
that are now in your present day expectations.

920
00:53:37.240 --> 00:53:39.480
Where does perfectionism come from?

921
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.760
Perfectionism or imposter syndrome

922
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:46.320
is the expectation of absolute rejection or neglect

923
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.040
unless you get it perfect.

924
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.080
And getting it perfect isn't possible.

925
00:53:52.080 --> 00:53:55.840
Perfection is unknowable and it's impossible.

926
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.280
You are so much more than imperfect.

927
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.200
That's such a crappy word in my opinion.

928
00:54:01.200 --> 00:54:03.760
Love yourself even though you are imperfect

929
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.800
is such a perfectionist thing to say.

930
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.360
How about this?

931
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:12.600
Love yourself as you are and you are a perfect human.

932
00:54:12.600 --> 00:54:15.880
And those unrealistic expectations of perfect

933
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.000
are just how I tried to get love when I was younger

934
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.560
and now I'm safe to let them go.

935
00:54:21.560 --> 00:54:23.880
Love isn't built in the perfection.

936
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:25.920
Love is built in the mess.

937
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.520
Love is built after a relationship flare up

938
00:54:28.520 --> 00:54:30.560
after there's a rupture in the felt sense

939
00:54:30.560 --> 00:54:32.560
of emotional safety of the relationship

940
00:54:32.560 --> 00:54:34.440
and in the repair process.

941
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.880
Just like at the gym when we lift weights,

942
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.960
we create micro traumas.

943
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.720
Building muscle happens.

944
00:54:40.720 --> 00:54:41.960
The healing happens.

945
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:44.320
The strength comes afterwards

946
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.240
during the repair and the recovery process.

947
00:54:47.240 --> 00:54:48.640
Love is in the repair

948
00:54:48.640 --> 00:54:51.320
and that's how you cure perfectionism.

949
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.640
So that's all in context to relationship.

950
00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:58.040
But I wanted to say that because I've heard Benji.

951
00:54:58.040 --> 00:55:00.040
Benji is our leader, our great fearless.

952
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.320
Peter, of raising royalty, and he constantly says,

953
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:06.400
you are perfect, you are beautiful,

954
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.720
you are without flaw, without blemish,

955
00:55:09.720 --> 00:55:13.240
you are holy, you are righteous in Christ Jesus.

956
00:55:13.240 --> 00:55:16.400
Because we are actually in Jesus,

957
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:19.360
this is the scandal of grace, this is the mystery of grace,

958
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:21.920
this is the craziness of the gospel,

959
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.560
is that when we are saved and we actually come into

960
00:55:25.560 --> 00:55:27.720
the death and the resurrection of Jesus,

961
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:29.120
when the Father looks at us,

962
00:55:29.120 --> 00:55:31.440
he actually sees us as perfect.

963
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.080
Now, we know we're imperfect, we know we're flawed,

964
00:55:34.080 --> 00:55:39.080
we know we've got fragility and weakness to our humanity.

965
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.320
But I love how he said that,

966
00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:44.440
just love yourself even in your imperfection

967
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.000
is such a perfectionist thing to say.

968
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:48.680
And how about you reframe it?

969
00:55:48.680 --> 00:55:51.000
How about you reframe it as knowing,

970
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.760
and this is like, it's like the same coin,

971
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.040
but it's either side of the same coin.

972
00:55:56.040 --> 00:55:59.720
In one sense, it's understanding in the world

973
00:55:59.720 --> 00:56:02.680
and in the gospel, we are desperately flawed

974
00:56:02.680 --> 00:56:05.600
and broken and sinful, and we need a savior

975
00:56:05.600 --> 00:56:08.680
and we need Jesus and we need the redemption,

976
00:56:08.680 --> 00:56:12.360
the restoration, the healing, we need love.

977
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.800
We need a perfect love to heal and restore

978
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.560
every part of our being.

979
00:56:16.560 --> 00:56:20.200
And then on the flip side, we've now been redeemed

980
00:56:20.200 --> 00:56:23.840
and no good comes from us, it all comes from God,

981
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.200
yet we're made in his image.

982
00:56:26.200 --> 00:56:29.400
We have Christ on the inside of us,

983
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.200
we are now perfect and holy and flawless

984
00:56:32.200 --> 00:56:34.200
and blameless and righteous,

985
00:56:34.200 --> 00:56:37.480
which to our natural mind is like, no, I'm not.

986
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.480
I know my weaknesses, I know my mistakes, I'm not perfect,

987
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.360
but in Christ we are.

988
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:46.960
And so then when we're actually able to live

989
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.760
from that place of confidence of, wow,

990
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.480
what does the righteousness of Jesus look like?

991
00:56:54.120 --> 00:56:57.080
How do I grow in my identity as a son and a daughter?

992
00:56:57.080 --> 00:56:58.520
How can this be?

993
00:56:58.520 --> 00:57:02.480
How can this amazing love transform, set me free,

994
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.520
give me confidence and authority and strength?

995
00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:07.840
And then when we get in that place,

996
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.200
when that kind of love transforms us,

997
00:57:10.200 --> 00:57:14.120
like literally that is what's gonna change the world.

998
00:57:14.120 --> 00:57:16.840
When that kind of love and identity and confidence

999
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.840
in, wow, in Christ, this is who I am,

1000
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.160
when that gets expressed through what we do

1001
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:24.840
and the people we love and our relationships

1002
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.000
and our art and our work and our communities,

1003
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:29.560
that is the transforming,

1004
00:57:29.560 --> 00:57:31.280
that's how we're gonna change the world.

1005
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:33.800
That's the kingdom of heaven being expressed

1006
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:36.160
and that's the spirit of excellence.

1007
00:57:36.160 --> 00:57:39.720
And that's also where the spirit of excellence

1008
00:57:39.720 --> 00:57:41.480
is rooted in humility

1009
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.120
because we know actually who we really are

1010
00:57:44.120 --> 00:57:46.800
and we know the God inside of us,

1011
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.520
the God factor that changes everything.

1012
00:57:49.520 --> 00:57:52.960
And then that love is what saturates us,

1013
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.800
inspires us, motivates us, anoints us

1014
00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:01.720
and baptizes us in our ability to then with our humanity,

1015
00:58:01.720 --> 00:58:05.640
have accountability, have structure, have discipline,

1016
00:58:05.640 --> 00:58:08.680
get training, grow in our skill.

1017
00:58:08.680 --> 00:58:09.920
So it's that thing.

1018
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.320
It's not just spiritual and it's not just practical.

1019
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:16.840
The two come to one to be able to kind of foster

1020
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.880
and create that excellence.

1021
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:22.200
So any thoughts, Zylan?

1022
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.360
Well, yeah, I mean, no, I'm actually wondering

1023
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.080
if is there any, I think Rudy wants to say something.

1024
00:58:32.080 --> 00:58:32.920
Okay, great.

1025
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:37.800
Yeah.

1026
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.240
Yeah, I just agree with pretty much every point

1027
00:58:40.240 --> 00:58:41.480
being made here.

1028
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:46.360
I'm just absorbing the information and the enlightenment.

1029
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:48.080
I don't really have any comments at this point,

1030
00:58:48.080 --> 00:58:49.840
but if I have anything else to say,

1031
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.280
I'm just gonna raise my hand.

1032
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:53.600
Okay, awesome.

1033
00:58:53.600 --> 00:58:55.120
We're so glad you're here, Rudy,

1034
00:58:55.120 --> 00:58:57.200
and so glad that it's resonating in you

1035
00:58:57.200 --> 00:59:00.160
and that there's a sense of just agreement.

1036
00:59:00.160 --> 00:59:01.840
That's amazing.

1037
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:02.760
So awesome.

1038
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:04.720
No, one of the solution,

1039
00:59:04.720 --> 00:59:08.160
if anyone actually struggling

1040
00:59:08.160 --> 00:59:13.160
or see yourself being a perfectionist in an unhealthy way,

1041
00:59:13.680 --> 00:59:16.640
you know, one of the solution that we all can do is,

1042
00:59:16.640 --> 00:59:20.040
you know, just maybe write it down or ask this question,

1043
00:59:20.040 --> 00:59:23.560
why do I have to be so perfect?

1044
00:59:23.560 --> 00:59:25.640
You know, I mean, what are the reasons?

1045
00:59:25.640 --> 00:59:27.000
If you can ask that question,

1046
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:32.000
like, you know, in a most honest way to ourselves,

1047
00:59:32.040 --> 00:59:37.040
we find a lot of answers and solution to our problems,

1048
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:41.320
you know, because it's a perfectionism

1049
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:46.320
can be a really a crazy mental block, you know,

1050
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.480
and it will make you unhappy, unproductive,

1051
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:56.520
and in a lot of unhealthy, you know, ways,

1052
00:59:56.520 --> 01:00:00.120
and it's better to like sort that thing, you know, in a.

1053
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.680
in the grace of God, pray, pray fully,

1054
01:00:03.680 --> 01:00:06.840
maybe discuss with people, because as an artist,

1055
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.400
you know, we are all like kind of a emotional being,

1056
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.960
you know, and we are always on our own zone.

1057
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:16.160
And sometimes I don't know how many of us

1058
01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:18.840
are comfortable sharing, you know,

1059
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.760
our vulnerability to others.

1060
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.680
If you are one of that person, you know,

1061
01:00:23.680 --> 01:00:26.440
because I was into that space, you know,

1062
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:28.600
it was really hard for me to like, you know,

1063
01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:32.960
share my stuff to other people.

1064
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:36.000
But, you know, the moment when I realized

1065
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.280
and asked that hard question to myself,

1066
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.880
it actually helped me a lot.

1067
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.480
I'm not saying that, I mean, I just like, you know,

1068
01:00:44.680 --> 01:00:47.720
conquered all my fears and stuff, you know.

1069
01:00:47.720 --> 01:00:50.360
I still find a lot of perfectionism in me,

1070
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.600
and I actually, in a way that, I mean,

1071
01:00:53.600 --> 01:00:56.880
I'm trying to cultivate in a very positive manner,

1072
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.520
because something that, you know,

1073
01:01:00.520 --> 01:01:04.640
to push us to a spirit of excellence, you know,

1074
01:01:04.640 --> 01:01:09.640
just doing it out of love, and it's a beautiful way.

1075
01:01:10.080 --> 01:01:14.120
If anybody actually having any, that sort of struggle,

1076
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.840
you know, or do you have any question

1077
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.880
about whatever we spoke, we talked about,

1078
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:23.720
or maybe you want to add something,

1079
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.800
I mean, that's a great thing to go.

1080
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:30.840
I think we've made a couple of really,

1081
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:32.680
really great points, right?

1082
01:01:32.680 --> 01:01:33.840
Yeah, totally.

1083
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:35.960
Yeah, it's been really, really good.

1084
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:39.680
You said something, and I just was like, oh, man.

1085
01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:44.080
Leanda, Leanda Tate, she raised us.

1086
01:01:44.080 --> 01:01:47.080
Leanda, do you want to unmute yourself, love?

1087
01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:56.320
Hi, can you hear me?

1088
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:59.000
Yes, hello, love, how are you?

1089
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.000
I'm all right, hi, how are you?

1090
01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:03.880
My name is Leanda Tate.

1091
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.400
I'm actually from the Caribbean,

1092
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.560
a beautiful island called Trinidad and Tobago.

1093
01:02:08.560 --> 01:02:09.400
Beautiful!

1094
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:12.760
It's really nice to be here.

1095
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.800
It's really nice to connect

1096
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:18.920
with other kingdom creatives across the world.

1097
01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.600
So big up, thank you, Raising Royalty.

1098
01:02:21.640 --> 01:02:22.960
Thank you, Raising Royalty.

1099
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:26.360
Thank you, Dana and Zailan.

1100
01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:27.520
Lovely to be here.

1101
01:02:30.240 --> 01:02:34.320
Yeah, this particular discussions

1102
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:36.520
kind of was interesting to me.

1103
01:02:36.520 --> 01:02:41.520
I know I've had to confront my own self

1104
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:45.400
with perfectionistic kind of tendencies.

1105
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:48.720
And for me, when I was looking at it,

1106
01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:52.440
I came to three sorts of realizations

1107
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:56.720
that it was necessary for me to realize,

1108
01:02:56.720 --> 01:02:59.720
but it was kind of harsh on myself

1109
01:02:59.720 --> 01:03:02.040
when I was thinking about it.

1110
01:03:02.040 --> 01:03:06.200
For me, perfectionism stemmed from three things.

1111
01:03:06.200 --> 01:03:09.520
One was fair, actually.

1112
01:03:11.160 --> 01:03:15.440
The second was pride, which is probably even worse.

1113
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:20.760
And the third thing was procrastination,

1114
01:03:21.600 --> 01:03:26.440
to be quite honest about that.

1115
01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:28.200
And so there is this concept

1116
01:03:28.200 --> 01:03:31.040
that done is better than perfect.

1117
01:03:31.040 --> 01:03:33.680
And why that meant a lot to me

1118
01:03:33.680 --> 01:03:38.680
is because I found that when for certain moves of God,

1119
01:03:39.120 --> 01:03:43.600
there is a timeliness aspect that's attached to it.

1120
01:03:43.640 --> 01:03:47.800
And perfectionism can make you miss your moment

1121
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:52.040
because you're stuck in the weeds and not releasing it

1122
01:03:52.040 --> 01:03:56.560
because you think that it requires your strength

1123
01:03:56.560 --> 01:03:59.320
to be applicable.

1124
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:03.560
So it's kind of like, it's that pride part

1125
01:04:03.560 --> 01:04:06.560
where you think that the reason

1126
01:04:06.560 --> 01:04:08.480
it's going to minister to people

1127
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.680
is because you've done it great,

1128
01:04:10.680 --> 01:04:14.400
rather than it's the, like what you were saying,

1129
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:17.360
the love of God or the move of God

1130
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.800
that's gonna touch people and not necessarily your strength.

1131
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.440
You're the vessel, but it's really Him, you know?

1132
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.440
And so that timeliness.

1133
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.520
The pride thing was rough too.

1134
01:04:30.080 --> 01:04:33.600
I like to justify it by saying, well, God made things

1135
01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:36.360
and He said it was good, and then He rested.

1136
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:41.360
But really it's Him saying it was good and not really me.

1137
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:46.840
And I know the standards thing

1138
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:48.320
that Zailin was talking about.

1139
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:49.560
I respect that, bro.

1140
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:54.280
Yeah, we like to have standards as a creative.

1141
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:58.800
There's a certain point where I can be so ridiculous

1142
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:00.120
that I have to move.

1143
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:05.840
something a frame it has to be like the it has to cut as a video and it's on the right frame

1144
01:05:07.040 --> 01:05:11.360
and that's that's how it feels right you know it doesn't feel right if it's not

1145
01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:20.320
that specific frame so i totally get that i i feel you i feel you and sometimes it's really

1146
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:29.120
managing that and the best way that for me it's been helpful is instead of is instead of

1147
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:36.160
prioritizing my own opinion i just kind of ask the father is this good enough

1148
01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:45.600
and that that can be really really helpful is this good enough yeah is this good enough

1149
01:05:45.600 --> 01:05:53.520
to do what you needed to do and that's that's super helpful been helpful for me so i i just

1150
01:05:53.520 --> 01:05:59.840
have to always on when i feel in that perfectionist route i sort of have to unmask pride and be like

1151
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:06.720
are you being prideful can you be humble and let god use you you know are you being afraid and this

1152
01:06:06.720 --> 01:06:14.080
is just your um your thing you're hiding behind it's not good enough yet you know and um that

1153
01:06:14.080 --> 01:06:21.040
that was it yeah but thank you so much i appreciate the discussion big up to all of you uh it's lovely

1154
01:06:21.040 --> 01:06:28.080
being here oh and thank you so much for sharing love love love love hearing your thoughts and

1155
01:06:28.640 --> 01:06:34.880
just like your key um just the wisdom that you just brought like it's just so good and it's so

1156
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:40.160
amazing when i think that's one of the things we want to always do is have that dialogue with the

1157
01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:45.120
holy spirit and with the father like father is this good enough like is this is this pleasing

1158
01:06:45.120 --> 01:06:52.640
to you like with where i'm at right now are you saying in faith okay press send or post or publish

1159
01:06:52.640 --> 01:06:57.760
or yep like let's go you know what i mean or are you saying take a little bit more time and hey i

1160
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:03.840
want you because i think the father loves to be in the dialogue with us to every minute detail you

1161
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:08.960
know like i love not in a legalistic crazy religious way in a relational way that we're

1162
01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:15.120
talking to our best friend talking to our shepherd talking to our king talking to our god our father

1163
01:07:15.120 --> 01:07:21.280
our everything and so yeah involving his voice and his presence in the process is everything

1164
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:30.080
and just knowing that like um the father's voice is so kind he's so kind like he's so compassionate

1165
01:07:30.080 --> 01:07:36.240
he's so gracious he's so loving he is like the best coach and he's intentional and so there's

1166
01:07:36.240 --> 01:07:43.840
obedience and there's conviction but he's not a god up there being disappointed and like a policeman

1167
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:49.840
trying to like judge us like nothing ever good comes out of judgment like repentance doesn't

1168
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:55.840
flow out of judgment and no good fruit comes out of judgment it actually comes out of love and it

1169
01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:03.040
comes out of his intention to see us be the very best and to coach us and to walk with us so i love

1170
01:08:03.040 --> 01:08:08.560
what you're saying because you're just being so attentive to his voice and turning your attention

1171
01:08:08.560 --> 01:08:15.760
towards him and inviting his voice to be the the defining factor in your creativity so i love that

1172
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.920
and i'm so glad you're with us it's just so good to see your beautiful face so

1173
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:26.319
thank you and rachel rachel wants to say something she raised and yeah rachel hi

1174
01:08:30.160 --> 01:08:38.240
hi how are you i'm great thank you i'm out here in california near sacramento beautiful

1175
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:47.840
oh i love sacramento so um something that leandra said just uh really clicked um as i was writing my

1176
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:58.479
first book um the father said to me because i kept saying i you know i'm writing this because of what

1177
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:05.840
he was telling me to write but i knew that there were things i should could improve on right yeah

1178
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:11.200
and i was asking him do i need to get an editor do i need to do this and you know and i'm going

1179
01:09:11.200 --> 01:09:18.319
down the list because you know when you're yeah in that moment yeah you want it to be perfect

1180
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:27.840
because it is showing us the father's heart and he said to me no publish it now i will do the rest

1181
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:36.319
and i'll tell you um i had a couple of friends that that got the book and one girlfriend was like

1182
01:09:37.200 --> 01:09:43.840
you don't know how much healing i got from this book um i bawled all the way through it and i was

1183
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:49.120
like oh really because my intention wasn't to make you cry right and it was just having that faith

1184
01:09:49.120 --> 01:09:58.720
when he told me publish it now because i do the rest so even if if it doesn't seem like it's perfect

1185
01:09:58.720 --> 01:09:59.760
for us

1186
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:04.000
It's perfect because he instructed us.

1187
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:06.640
He's the one that gave us the words, the story,

1188
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:08.520
the whatever, the picture.

1189
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:13.120
And he does the rest in ministering to each person

1190
01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:18.120
that picks up that art piece, that book, that whatever poem.

1191
01:10:18.360 --> 01:10:19.200
Yeah.

1192
01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:21.080
So I just wanted to do that.

1193
01:10:21.080 --> 01:10:23.000
I love that, Rachel.

1194
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.160
Good on you.

1195
01:10:24.160 --> 01:10:25.800
Oh, you beautiful woman.

1196
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:29.840
I just love like, gosh, there's such a childlike joy in you.

1197
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.920
And such a youthful, just like, oh,

1198
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:36.760
I just can feel just the father's joy and pleasure over you

1199
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.800
just as like his child, you know?

1200
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:43.080
But I just love, I love the humility of your yes

1201
01:10:43.080 --> 01:10:46.040
and the humility of your obedience just to go,

1202
01:10:46.040 --> 01:10:50.400
okay, I could put more editing and perfection to this,

1203
01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:52.200
but actually what the spirit of God is saying

1204
01:10:52.200 --> 01:10:56.120
is to do it now and to allow him to define it

1205
01:10:56.120 --> 01:10:57.320
and bring fruit from that.

1206
01:10:57.320 --> 01:10:59.240
So amazing.

1207
01:10:59.240 --> 01:11:00.120
Good on you, girl.

1208
01:11:00.120 --> 01:11:04.160
May there be more and more anointing and fresh words

1209
01:11:04.160 --> 01:11:07.600
and inspiration for more writing to come.

1210
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:11.160
May you just pen so much more of what's on the father's heart

1211
01:11:11.160 --> 01:11:12.480
for this hour of history.

1212
01:11:12.480 --> 01:11:13.520
So bless you.

1213
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.880
I'm so glad that you're part of this.

1214
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:17.480
Thanks for being part of this.

1215
01:11:18.440 --> 01:11:19.600
Is there anyone else?

1216
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:20.880
Oh, Kathy.

1217
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:22.000
Hey, Kathy, yeah.

1218
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:22.960
Yeah, hi.

1219
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:27.480
Are you able to put your video on, Kathy?

1220
01:11:38.160 --> 01:11:39.360
Are you there, Kathy?

1221
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:47.120
Talking to me?

1222
01:11:47.120 --> 01:11:49.200
Hi, yeah, you've just got your hand up.

1223
01:11:49.200 --> 01:11:51.120
Did you wanna share something?

1224
01:11:51.120 --> 01:11:52.880
I didn't realize my hand was up.

1225
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:55.360
Okay, no worries.

1226
01:11:55.360 --> 01:11:57.440
I do have a request.

1227
01:11:57.440 --> 01:11:58.600
Oh, yes.

1228
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:00.840
I'm not an artist and I don't,

1229
01:12:03.040 --> 01:12:05.520
I'd like to be removed from the mailing list,

1230
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:07.680
from the email list, if you wouldn't mind.

1231
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:08.520
Oh, sure.

1232
01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:13.520
Yes, I will email our support team

1233
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.720
and I will ask for that to happen, absolutely.

1234
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.320
You guys be blessed and have a great day.

1235
01:12:19.320 --> 01:12:21.400
I've been listening to the conversation

1236
01:12:21.400 --> 01:12:26.200
and it sounds like you guys have a definite direction

1237
01:12:26.200 --> 01:12:27.040
that you're going.

1238
01:12:27.040 --> 01:12:31.000
And I just praise God and you guys have a great day.

1239
01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:31.840
Okay, you too.

1240
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:32.920
Thanks, Kathy.

1241
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:34.480
Have a wonderful day.

1242
01:12:34.480 --> 01:12:35.320
Bye.

1243
01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:41.640
No, I just wanted to add something with Rachel,

1244
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:45.840
and even Liana said the same thing.

1245
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:50.400
When I started, when I recorded my first song, right?

1246
01:12:50.480 --> 01:12:52.440
So after the recording, I just,

1247
01:12:52.440 --> 01:12:56.800
I still remember that I was actually super disappointed.

1248
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.040
When I listened to it,

1249
01:13:00.040 --> 01:13:02.560
that was my very first recording

1250
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:06.480
and I've been playing music for a very long time,

1251
01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:08.320
but I never consider myself

1252
01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:10.880
as a singer kind of situation.

1253
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:12.960
The moment, first time I went to a studio

1254
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.360
and literally recorded that thing,

1255
01:13:15.360 --> 01:13:18.160
and it was a nightmare

1256
01:13:19.160 --> 01:13:23.640
because I didn't like the way it sounded,

1257
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.680
my song and stuff.

1258
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:27.600
And I was very disappointed actually.

1259
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.160
And I was actually almost in tears, you know?

1260
01:13:31.160 --> 01:13:34.000
I mean, yeah.

1261
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:36.800
And so I was actually kind of thinking of,

1262
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:38.680
okay, let's redo it.

1263
01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:42.120
And one of my friends,

1264
01:13:42.120 --> 01:13:44.520
and he's an established musician

1265
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:47.040
and a pro singer kind of guy.

1266
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:49.360
I actually called him and said that

1267
01:13:49.360 --> 01:13:51.200
this is what happened here.

1268
01:13:51.200 --> 01:13:54.080
He said that, I mean, that's fine

1269
01:13:54.080 --> 01:13:57.440
because you never, because I'm a drummer.

1270
01:13:57.440 --> 01:13:58.760
So I never been,

1271
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:03.760
because singing is a very new territory for me.

1272
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:08.760
And I think according to your vocal range

1273
01:14:13.120 --> 01:14:15.680
and all the stuff that you are right now,

1274
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:20.680
this is the best you can do and that's okay, you know?

1275
01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:26.000
And it was really hard for me to accept that truth,

1276
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.640
but later I realized that,

1277
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.120
that's how it should treated, you know?

1278
01:14:30.120 --> 01:14:35.120
I mean, you can just do it like, you know,

1279
01:14:37.120 --> 01:14:38.880
as you are in that particular season

1280
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:40.920
and moment of your life, you know?

1281
01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:43.640
Just do it and just move on

1282
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:47.160
and start working on another thing, another project.

1283
01:14:47.160 --> 01:14:50.480
And when I look back to my old songs and other things,

1284
01:14:50.480 --> 01:14:54.200
I still feel cringe, but that's okay.

1285
01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:56.760
That's super okay.

1286
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.720
Because when I, if I don't feel cringe,

1287
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:06.240
means there is something wrong in me because that means actually I grow a lot as an artist,

1288
01:15:06.240 --> 01:15:12.880
you know, from that place to this place, from the past to present, you know, and that's what

1289
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:19.040
actually it's all about. That's how you grow, you know, so to come into a piece with that

1290
01:15:19.040 --> 01:15:24.880
moment is actually something that I've learned. When I write a song and I see a lot of like,

1291
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:29.760
you know, imperfecting, you know, should I rewrite it again and again and again, I know that it's

1292
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:36.320
going to be on loop, you know, never going to finish. So in a place I have to make a choice

1293
01:15:36.320 --> 01:15:43.120
that, you know what, this is it. Yeah. So I'm going to just, you know, just finish this thing

1294
01:15:43.120 --> 01:15:50.400
and let it publish and, you know, let the people see it as it is and just go for the next one.

1295
01:15:50.400 --> 01:15:55.360
Yeah. That's how it is. Yeah. I think that's a beautiful thing. I think it's a very important

1296
01:15:55.360 --> 01:16:00.480
thing that, you know, you have to learn. Yeah. If you do want to like, you know, just do this

1297
01:16:00.480 --> 01:16:05.440
stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Leanda, I see that you have your hand up again. We'd love to hear

1298
01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:14.320
from you. And then Zoe, we'll go to you after, love. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for that,

1299
01:16:14.320 --> 01:16:21.360
Saira. And thank you again, Dina. There's one other thing that I felt like I should say and that

1300
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:30.800
while the perfectionism thing is a real thing, the Lord has also helped me in the reverse.

1301
01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:40.080
There were some times when I was hasty. And I, so like I do Facebook marketing stuff,

1302
01:16:40.080 --> 01:16:44.720
and I was going to send out an ad, a Facebook ad. And I was like, yeah, okay, we're good. We've

1303
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:47.920
said all our things. We're good. And we're ready to press post. And I'm like, okay,

1304
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.520
father, I'm going to press post. And he's like, nope. Yeah. And I'm like, no,

1305
01:16:52.080 --> 01:16:57.280
I was like, but it's ready. He's like, nope, nope. Check it again. And when checking it again,

1306
01:16:57.280 --> 01:17:04.720
I realized that my audience was off. Something had happened. And when it reset, I lost some of

1307
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:12.800
the things that I had chosen before. So he stopped me from being hasty, making a wrong assumption.

1308
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:20.160
So sometimes it's what's the most important piece is, because we could also be tempted to be like,

1309
01:17:20.160 --> 01:17:24.640
all right, let's just let, let's just do it. Just do it. The most important piece was,

1310
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:31.200
is really just that sort of paying attention to his voice, whether he's saying stop or go,

1311
01:17:31.200 --> 01:17:38.720
you know, whether he's saying, and I feel like that's the, the part that's the most important

1312
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:45.040
once we're, that's it. I, I have gotten into the trap of doing things for him instead of doing

1313
01:17:45.040 --> 01:17:55.600
things with him. Yes. The more I do things with him, it's the less I, I, I focus on my own opinion

1314
01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:00.560
because by, you know, we're all, we all have our weaknesses, our strengths and our flaws.

1315
01:18:01.200 --> 01:18:08.640
So, but when I do it with him and it's really, it's then he gets the glory and it really impacts

1316
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:13.680
people because he really knows what people out there need. Yeah. The best we're doing is guessing.

1317
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:22.320
So yeah. So to God be the glory. It's, it's always a privilege to be able to participate

1318
01:18:22.320 --> 01:18:30.320
with him. I don't know why he chooses us, but to do what we do, but it's, I, I do appreciate

1319
01:18:31.360 --> 01:18:36.560
just having the opportunity to do that and, and even having the opportunity to be here and to

1320
01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:43.680
meet all of you lovely people. God bless you. Oh, so good. I love that. I love that key thing.

1321
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:49.840
You said not falling into the trap of doing things for God, but with God and relationship

1322
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:55.360
changes, everything, hearing his voice and being sensitive. You know, I think some of the greatest

1323
01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:03.840
failure I've had is when I was sensing his voice or conviction or guidance, but I went with my

1324
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:12.960
own mind and, or my own persuasion and it costs me dearly. And in so many different seasons, it's

1325
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:18.560
going, Oh God, would every fiber of my being be attentive to your voice? And, you know, we learn,

1326
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:24.240
we learn and we grow and there's so much grace, but I think just as what you said, that was so

1327
01:19:24.240 --> 01:19:30.720
good, not doing life for God, but with God and allowing his voice to say, push the publish or

1328
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:36.880
go for it or just leave it. Or, you know, like Rachel said, you know, no publish it now. And

1329
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:42.080
like, trust me for the rest or it's no, hold on, let's look at this again. And then you're like,

1330
01:19:42.080 --> 01:19:48.560
Oh, I'm so glad I listened because that just saved me from an error. Or now that really means that

1331
01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:55.520
something's going to be in alignment for my assignment or, or sometimes it is a timing issue.

1332
01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:59.600
And sometimes God gets you to create something, but then put it on the shelf.

1333
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.840
We're like, no, but I just want to do it now.

1334
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:03.360
And God's like, just wait.

1335
01:20:03.360 --> 01:20:04.680
And then it'll be like, okay, go.

1336
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:07.280
And you're like, oh my gosh, I'm so glad I waited

1337
01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:09.480
because now that is the right time.

1338
01:20:09.480 --> 01:20:12.600
And other times we feel insignificant or overwhelmed

1339
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:14.160
because we think, no, it has to be better.

1340
01:20:14.160 --> 01:20:15.760
And the Lord's like, trust me, you know?

1341
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.480
So it's his voice, his voice is everything.

1342
01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:20.040
So I love that you said that.

1343
01:20:20.040 --> 01:20:22.080
You're such a beautiful, beautiful woman,

1344
01:20:22.080 --> 01:20:24.240
and I'm so glad that you're here.

1345
01:20:24.240 --> 01:20:25.960
Thanks for sharing.

1346
01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:27.960
Zoe, we'd love to hear from you, babe.

1347
01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:29.760
How are you?

1348
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:30.600
Hello.

1349
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:31.440
Hi.

1350
01:20:31.440 --> 01:20:35.760
I'm from the UK and I'm a painter and printmaker.

1351
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:36.600
Wow.

1352
01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:40.800
So, yeah, so I haven't really spoken on here before,

1353
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:43.760
but it was really the similar thing

1354
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:45.160
that's just been said, really,

1355
01:20:45.160 --> 01:20:48.880
that I've learned that sometimes you have to step away

1356
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:51.560
from what you're doing and not ruin it.

1357
01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:54.640
You know, in my impatience,

1358
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.760
I've suddenly sometimes thought, oh, that's rubbish.

1359
01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:00.640
And, you know, painted over something or whatever,

1360
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:01.960
but I've taken photographs

1361
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:03.760
and then I've looked back at those photographs

1362
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:06.160
and thought actually it wasn't as bad

1363
01:21:06.160 --> 01:21:08.000
as I was thinking at the time.

1364
01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:11.880
So it's more like taking the time

1365
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:14.400
and realizing, you know, Father said to me,

1366
01:21:14.400 --> 01:21:17.280
there's time for me to learn the skills

1367
01:21:17.280 --> 01:21:18.120
that I needed to do.

1368
01:21:18.120 --> 01:21:20.360
So I had to go and do some training

1369
01:21:20.360 --> 01:21:22.560
or learning of some of the skills

1370
01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:25.160
because I was getting more and more frustrated

1371
01:21:25.160 --> 01:21:27.680
with my inability to do the things

1372
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:29.520
I had in my heart to do.

1373
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:30.760
Yeah.

1374
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:32.880
And actually I needed to invest

1375
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.120
in learning how to use oil paints

1376
01:21:35.120 --> 01:21:38.600
or learning how to do sharpened tools for line of cut

1377
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:40.440
or whatever the things that were holding me back.

1378
01:21:40.440 --> 01:21:42.360
So there was some practical things

1379
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:45.680
that Father sort of said,

1380
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.080
this is what you need to do

1381
01:21:47.080 --> 01:21:50.440
in order to do what I'm calling you to do.

1382
01:21:50.440 --> 01:21:51.280
Yeah.

1383
01:21:51.280 --> 01:21:55.120
So sometimes it's actually giving yourself permission

1384
01:21:56.120 --> 01:21:59.560
to put, invest in yourself,

1385
01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:02.000
invest in training, invest in skills,

1386
01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:06.440
invest in connecting with people in your local area

1387
01:22:06.440 --> 01:22:08.360
that are doing artwork or whatever,

1388
01:22:08.360 --> 01:22:11.040
you know, your creativity is.

1389
01:22:11.040 --> 01:22:11.880
Yeah.

1390
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:13.600
And this all started,

1391
01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:15.120
I've always been creative,

1392
01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:17.680
I've always written poetry,

1393
01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:18.920
written songs in my head,

1394
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:20.360
but I've never done anything with that

1395
01:22:20.360 --> 01:22:22.280
apart from the odd song.

1396
01:22:22.320 --> 01:22:23.160
Yeah.

1397
01:22:23.160 --> 01:22:27.000
But I was in my thirties, I think,

1398
01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:28.320
and I had this dream

1399
01:22:28.320 --> 01:22:32.080
and I was cutting something out of my womb

1400
01:22:32.080 --> 01:22:34.880
and it was quite a shocking dream.

1401
01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:38.040
And I realized that what I was doing

1402
01:22:38.040 --> 01:22:39.080
was I was trying to,

1403
01:22:39.080 --> 01:22:41.040
like it's been said earlier,

1404
01:22:41.040 --> 01:22:43.360
I was trying to stop being creative

1405
01:22:43.360 --> 01:22:47.200
because I felt it was competing with my love for God.

1406
01:22:47.200 --> 01:22:49.440
And actually what Father was trying to say

1407
01:22:49.440 --> 01:22:50.440
is that's your creative,

1408
01:22:50.440 --> 01:22:51.880
you know, that's your creative space,

1409
01:22:52.480 --> 01:22:54.280
that's how I've made you to be.

1410
01:22:54.280 --> 01:22:56.360
And, you know, you need to develop that.

1411
01:22:56.360 --> 01:22:57.960
And it's taken me a long time.

1412
01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.000
And I've gone through all those things

1413
01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:02.040
that people talked about,

1414
01:23:02.040 --> 01:23:04.400
self-sabotage and everything else,

1415
01:23:04.400 --> 01:23:06.880
went to art school as a mature student,

1416
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:09.560
but still was intimidated by the painters.

1417
01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:11.520
So I did sculpture, you know, that kind of thing.

1418
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:16.360
So I've had a very long learning curve,

1419
01:23:16.360 --> 01:23:19.080
but now I've got to that point

1420
01:23:19.080 --> 01:23:21.240
where I'm just discovering

1421
01:23:21.240 --> 01:23:23.160
and every day I'm discovering things.

1422
01:23:23.160 --> 01:23:26.240
So it's more of a relationship,

1423
01:23:26.240 --> 01:23:28.000
as you say, with Father.

1424
01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:30.920
And I've actually had this encounter

1425
01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:32.840
with the Spirit of Excellence.

1426
01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:33.680
Wow.

1427
01:23:33.680 --> 01:23:37.720
And the Spirit of Excellence was weaving.

1428
01:23:39.080 --> 01:23:43.360
And she was weaving joy and peace

1429
01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:46.840
and restoration into people's lives,

1430
01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:50.680
covering them with these beautiful garments of creativity.

1431
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:54.040
And so I learned a lot from that,

1432
01:23:54.040 --> 01:23:57.160
that there's a whole process of everything you're doing

1433
01:23:57.160 --> 01:23:59.760
is almost like that Spirit of Excellence

1434
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:04.040
is wanting to weave this joy and this peace and this rest.

1435
01:24:04.040 --> 01:24:07.040
And so it's not striving anymore.

1436
01:24:07.040 --> 01:24:11.600
It's out of a place of rest that we create,

1437
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.560
out of place of dreams and allowing yourself to dream,

1438
01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:17.280
because I think you can cut off your dreams.

1439
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:20.760
And actually Father wants you to come alive

1440
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:21.960
to those dreams.

1441
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:22.800
So yeah.

1442
01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:23.640
Amazing.

1443
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.760
So thank you so much for sharing.

1444
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:27.600
Wow.

1445
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:29.720
When you just started talking about the encounter

1446
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:31.000
you had with the Spirit of Excellence,

1447
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:31.840
I was just like,

1448
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:36.080
it's like, oh Jesus, we all want that encounter.

1449
01:24:36.080 --> 01:24:38.040
And it made me think of John 15,

1450
01:24:38.040 --> 01:24:39.560
where it talks about,

1451
01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:42.560
Jesus was talking about abiding in the vine

1452
01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:45.200
and the Father is the vine and we are the branches

1453
01:24:45.200 --> 01:24:49.360
and, or rather the Father is the gardener

1454
01:24:49.360 --> 01:24:51.880
and Jesus is the vine and we are the branches.

1455
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:55.320
And we can't do any good apart from him.

1456
01:24:55.320 --> 01:25:00.320
And the reality of as we abide in him will vary.

1457
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:03.320
much fruit. And as we actually live in a place of rest, so when

1458
01:25:03.320 --> 01:25:06.580
you're talking about the spirit of excellence, weaving joy and

1459
01:25:06.580 --> 01:25:11.500
peace and rest, the fruit of the kingdom is love, joy, peace and

1460
01:25:11.500 --> 01:25:15.720
righteousness, you know, so when you think about that is, that is

1461
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:19.080
what the fruit is, and the fruits of the spirit, and all of

1462
01:25:19.080 --> 01:25:23.480
that comes from a place of rest. And so much comes from that

1463
01:25:23.480 --> 01:25:27.920
place, but so much wars for our attention, so much distraction,

1464
01:25:28.080 --> 01:25:32.760
so much busyness, so much performance and striving, and,

1465
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:35.240
and the very thing that we're trying to produce, if we would

1466
01:25:35.240 --> 01:25:39.880
just stop and be still and abide and get into a place of receive

1467
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:44.400
mode, then we would produce so much more. But it goes backwards

1468
01:25:44.400 --> 01:25:47.080
and it's such a battle of our hearts. So thank you so much for

1469
01:25:47.080 --> 01:25:51.200
sharing Zoe, so amazing to hear your story. And we just pray

1470
01:25:51.200 --> 01:25:55.480
God's creativity and his baptism of just fresh anointing as you

1471
01:25:55.480 --> 01:26:00.040
paint all your paintings back there look amazing. So, so good.

1472
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:04.360
And now we've got the lovely I'm so sorry, I don't know if I can

1473
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:05.920
pronounce your name.

1474
01:26:06.480 --> 01:26:08.560
Yeah, no problem. It's Nkechi.

1475
01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:12.560
Nkechi. Oh, what an amazing name. I love it.

1476
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:16.520
Oh, thank you. A lot of people here like Dana the way you spell

1477
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:21.760
it. And I just think so many is that Zylan? Zylan?

1478
01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:28.800
Zylan. Okay, yeah, yeah. So I've so appreciated everything. And,

1479
01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:33.520
yeah, I'm just a full blown out of the box artist. God just did

1480
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:40.160
that. He just, he just made it happen. And I used to be. And I

1481
01:26:40.160 --> 01:26:42.640
mean, I knew Jesus at the time, but I had no difference. I was

1482
01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:47.120
super, I don't even know how to explain it, but extremely

1483
01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:54.440
limited in my perspective and capacity. Because I did. I

1484
01:26:54.440 --> 01:26:57.800
enjoyed being perfect. And I'm just gonna say, guys, this is a

1485
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:05.440
big confession, but I actually thought I was. And that was just

1486
01:27:05.440 --> 01:27:10.880
so shocking. I mean, it was, but I was able to be and I just, I

1487
01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:14.080
just had no idea how people could just be so non perfect. I

1488
01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:18.560
just didn't understand it. And then of course, life happens.

1489
01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:23.920
And, you know, thank God for his love and his provision. And, and

1490
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.040
I already knew him, thank God. And then he just, he just, he

1491
01:27:27.040 --> 01:27:31.760
just revealed the beauty in imperfection. But again, that's

1492
01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:33.720
the I think, like everybody's saying, that's a word that we

1493
01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:37.320
give. Because if you just look at his humanity, I mean, all

1494
01:27:37.320 --> 01:27:41.440
different kinds of people, and he don't make no junk. So there

1495
01:27:41.440 --> 01:27:47.360
you go. Anyway, so, um, but for me, like, I went from being in a

1496
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:51.480
like, engineer mindset, that's what I was trained in school.

1497
01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:57.040
And then he, when I got ferreted over to kind of the art side, it

1498
01:27:57.040 --> 01:27:59.920
was kind of an all or nothing. It was like, well, I'll either be

1499
01:27:59.920 --> 01:28:06.760
perfect, or I'll be just a mess, you know. And, and then he just

1500
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:10.280
kind of has gently reminded me that it's not either or, you

1501
01:28:10.280 --> 01:28:13.480
know, I just have to flow with the go and go with the flow that

1502
01:28:13.480 --> 01:28:20.880
he is. And yeah, so it's, I feel kind of called out, because as

1503
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:23.560
much as I know, I'm an artist, I don't, I'm not always in art

1504
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:27.800
making mode. And, and then whenever he gently returns me to

1505
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:32.920
that, it reminds me that my making art isn't, you know, I

1506
01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:36.360
definitely, I, you know, by the grace of God, I don't need the

1507
01:28:36.360 --> 01:28:39.200
approval of man at this point. I'm not saying I will forever,

1508
01:28:39.200 --> 01:28:44.320
but just for now. But I do get busy doing other things that are

1509
01:28:44.320 --> 01:28:48.720
just, it's like, almost, almost like, and then I'm making art,

1510
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:51.000
and I'm with him. And I'm like, oh, wait, this is about you and

1511
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.960
I. Because like, you know, so the making of it is the time

1512
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:58.200
that I get to abide in him in a different way than I do in a lot

1513
01:28:58.200 --> 01:29:01.640
of things. So, you know, I'm at this crossroads, once again,

1514
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:07.680
where he's like, I feel like he's saying, fuck about water,

1515
01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:08.200
like,

1516
01:29:14.080 --> 01:29:17.400
all coming. Um, yeah, so he just, he's always like, he's

1517
01:29:17.400 --> 01:29:23.160
like, just step out, you know, because I already know I'm an

1518
01:29:23.160 --> 01:29:25.600
artist. So then I'm like, Oh, well, since I know I am, and

1519
01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:28.080
whenever the spirit moves, I'll make art, but then I'm doing all

1520
01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:35.280
these other things. And so he's kind of gently, not gently, very

1521
01:29:35.280 --> 01:29:44.480
loudly, reminding me that, you know, from that place of love,

1522
01:29:44.480 --> 01:29:46.200
what you guys were talking about, I mean, this is this is

1523
01:29:46.240 --> 01:29:49.640
I mean, if I mean, of course, God is so amazing. But that word

1524
01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:52.840
perfectionism was kind of in my psyche for the last like two or

1525
01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:56.200
three days, as I was interacting with someone who was kind of

1526
01:29:56.200 --> 01:29:59.520
demanding perfection, and I knew it and I was like, Oh, I want to

1527
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:00.080
be excellent.

1528
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.180
but not perfect. And I just was like, I didn't know how to

1529
01:30:02.180 --> 01:30:07.080
respond to them in a loving way. So I just not said anything. And

1530
01:30:07.080 --> 01:30:12.840
now I have words. But yeah, to produce from a place of love and

1531
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:17.080
identity. And, and I'll just the last thing I'll say is that, you

1532
01:30:17.080 --> 01:30:24.880
know, I really, I love helping people. It's experience making

1533
01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:27.040
art for the first time the freedom that comes when they can

1534
01:30:27.040 --> 01:30:31.800
just be messy for a minute. And just be free and not judgy. And

1535
01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:35.920
just experience it from the making of it. Yes. And, and so

1536
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:38.120
then I think that, like I said, there's, there's the, you know,

1537
01:30:38.120 --> 01:30:42.720
there's, there's the giving it value. But this last thing I'll

1538
01:30:42.720 --> 01:30:46.480
just say about Ape love, one of the things about God's love is

1539
01:30:46.480 --> 01:30:51.000
that he imbues value. So it's not, he's not getting value from

1540
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:55.920
the thing. Like, you know, romantic love, family love, like

1541
01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:57.440
there's all these different kinds of loves. And he when he

1542
01:30:57.440 --> 01:31:02.280
asked, he's like, Do you love me? Yeah. And a copy. So we

1543
01:31:02.280 --> 01:31:04.760
imbue value. And so what you were talking about the

1544
01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:07.640
intention, if it's made out of toil, or whatever, we've been

1545
01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:11.960
building a not good value to that thing. And so we want to

1546
01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:17.440
imbue it with good value, right? joy and delight. And it's good

1547
01:31:17.440 --> 01:31:19.640
to and it's good to work. I mean, it's good to have like

1548
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:23.840
goals and all that. I mean, it's good to have that. But it's so

1549
01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.680
countercultural to do it from a place of love. I mean, everything

1550
01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:29.960
you're saying, I'm going like, Oh, these are the words like

1551
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:36.400
celebration all the time. You're like, that's hard. So anyway, so

1552
01:31:36.400 --> 01:31:39.080
I just bless you guys. I've just loved everything I'm hearing.

1553
01:31:39.120 --> 01:31:43.200
And I'm super delighted. Raising royalty. I mean, like, come on,

1554
01:31:43.200 --> 01:31:48.320
this is just too good. It's too good. Okay. Thank you.

1555
01:31:49.040 --> 01:31:52.200
And catchy. Thank you so much for sharing. That was so good to

1556
01:31:52.200 --> 01:31:55.720
hear your heart and incredible to hear part of your journey.

1557
01:31:55.840 --> 01:32:00.040
It's just amazing. From engineer to creative. And I think that's

1558
01:32:00.040 --> 01:32:04.280
the beautiful thing is that every human is creative. Every

1559
01:32:04.280 --> 01:32:07.320
human is an artist because we're made in the image of the artist.

1560
01:32:07.320 --> 01:32:11.240
And so actually, you need to be creative to do everything in

1561
01:32:11.240 --> 01:32:15.040
life, to have relationships to do your finances to do food to

1562
01:32:15.040 --> 01:32:18.720
decorate your home, to dress yourself like we need creativity

1563
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:22.960
in our humanity and everything that we do. And so it's just

1564
01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:26.960
allowing, like we've been saying, it's all about relationship.

1565
01:32:27.080 --> 01:32:29.520
It's all about his voice. It's all about his presence.

1566
01:32:29.560 --> 01:32:33.200
Everything comes back to intimacy and identity. And when

1567
01:32:33.200 --> 01:32:39.120
we have when we actually connect more with him and receive that

1568
01:32:39.120 --> 01:32:43.680
love that love transforms and inspires every aspect of our

1569
01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:48.440
being and we then just become more inspired and more creative

1570
01:32:48.440 --> 01:32:52.680
because we've just spent time with the creator. So man, yeah,

1571
01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:55.440
that's and that's, that's exactly like, that's one of the

1572
01:32:55.440 --> 01:32:59.360
ways that you know, I refuel and it's not always my go to. And

1573
01:32:59.360 --> 01:33:05.920
it's like, oh, paint, yes, or dance or strum the guitar. In

1574
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:08.680
the same way we do nursery school with the kids, you know,

1575
01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:10.400
nursery, we're on Sundays, we're like, we have our little

1576
01:33:10.400 --> 01:33:13.800
sections, like food, okay, and time for music. And I'm like,

1577
01:33:14.400 --> 01:33:17.680
yeah, everything learned in kindergarten. Like, oh, yeah,

1578
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:23.200
you do that. Yeah. You know, so yeah, but I agree the creative

1579
01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:28.680
that there is. Yeah, we are. And, you know, it's kind of like

1580
01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:31.280
you were saying, we don't expect a two year old who's learning

1581
01:33:31.280 --> 01:33:35.960
to walk to be, you know, an Olympic runner. So we have to

1582
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:40.200
give ourselves that same grace that we're in a journey with

1583
01:33:40.200 --> 01:33:44.040
him. And, and he's creator God and we're created in his image.

1584
01:33:44.040 --> 01:33:47.240
So yeah, but but there is still skill people do have

1585
01:33:47.280 --> 01:33:50.000
dispensations of things that they do better than other and

1586
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:54.280
that's okay. That's, yeah, that's not a bad thing to know

1587
01:33:54.280 --> 01:33:58.080
that, you know. So anyway, that's it.

1588
01:33:58.280 --> 01:34:02.240
Good. Love it. So good. Thanks for sharing and catching. So

1589
01:34:02.240 --> 01:34:06.920
glad that you're here with us today. So good to see you. Well,

1590
01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:11.840
our beautiful friends, I think we are going to wrap it up. If

1591
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:15.040
there's anyone else that would like to share one thing or to

1592
01:34:15.040 --> 01:34:19.280
ask a question, we'll kind of make room for one more. And if

1593
01:34:19.280 --> 01:34:23.560
not, we are going to just wrap up our conversation today. And

1594
01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:27.320
we do these once a month. So we started three months ago. And

1595
01:34:27.320 --> 01:34:30.120
every month, we'll have like a different theme that we talked

1596
01:34:30.120 --> 01:34:35.400
about. And so usually, we also have Fee, our amazing artists,

1597
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:38.960
who is a part of our community, but he was unable to join us

1598
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:42.280
today, but he will hopefully be with us next month. So we'll be

1599
01:34:42.280 --> 01:34:47.280
emailing out on the Raising Royalty community. And we'll be

1600
01:34:47.280 --> 01:34:51.640
letting you know, and it'll also be on our Facebook group, like

1601
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:54.440
on the Raising Royalty masterclass page in the

1602
01:34:54.440 --> 01:34:58.600
creative place. Dylan does an incredible job of updating that

1603
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:00.000
with just different incredible

1604
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:05.680
posts and articles and ideas and then also announcements. So we'll be doing another

1605
01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:12.320
creative chat in middle of January. So if there's anybody else that wants to just quickly

1606
01:35:12.320 --> 01:35:14.640
ask a question or say something. Oh, Rachel. Yeah.

1607
01:35:15.440 --> 01:35:20.880
Just really quick. It just I just thought of this. Kathy may not have understood that

1608
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:26.960
it's like a massive email that goes out to everyone and you can join whatever. So maybe

1609
01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:31.280
before she's taken off, somebody could let her or make her aware.

1610
01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:36.560
Yeah, I'll email her personally and just yeah, I'll text me. So thanks, though. Thank you so

1611
01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:45.600
much for that. Anybody else want to ask a question or quickly share something on our topic today?

1612
01:35:47.360 --> 01:35:52.320
No worries, if not. I'm so glad all of you have joined. Thank you so much for taking

1613
01:35:52.320 --> 01:35:55.760
time out of your day. Oh, Lisa, you wanted to say something?

1614
01:35:55.760 --> 01:36:02.160
Yeah. Can I just say and ask everyone either to look in the chat or or I'll just tell you

1615
01:36:02.160 --> 01:36:08.560
if they this is a course that the Lord led me to do when I started painting a couple of years ago.

1616
01:36:09.440 --> 01:36:15.680
So it's called CVP with Nicholas Wilton. OK, it's in the chat, but I don't know if you've

1617
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:21.440
got time to look at it or you can join their join their Facebook group. And it's up to life

1618
01:36:21.440 --> 01:36:27.920
and you can the CVP is like three months online. OK, and that's just a free one shorter,

1619
01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:36.240
but it's brilliant. Oh, wow. I think so. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. For anybody that is

1620
01:36:36.240 --> 01:36:40.720
a painter or wants to kind of take a look at that, please do check out the chat.

1621
01:36:41.680 --> 01:36:46.480
It's in the chat box. Yeah. Art to Life Facebook group or get blogs from Nick Wilton. So that's

1622
01:36:46.480 --> 01:36:50.720
awesome. Thank you for sharing that, Lisa. That's great. We always love it when people

1623
01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:55.840
just share different things that they can take a look at in their free time and kind of.

1624
01:36:57.200 --> 01:37:04.160
Yeah. Can I just say another thing the Lord led me to after he did this was to Matt Tommy, who

1625
01:37:05.280 --> 01:37:10.880
he what he said the Lord had caused him asked him to raise up an army of Christian artists.

1626
01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:18.800
And he used to be a worship leader. But but something he shared was that before David,

1627
01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:24.720
the king came, the dancers came, all the creatives. And he had. Yeah. And so there

1628
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:29.760
was all these creatives. He had hundreds and thousands of them in his group, in his Facebook

1629
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:35.760
group. But it's just amazing. So all these creatives coming up. Yeah. So great. Love it.

1630
01:37:38.320 --> 01:37:42.080
So good. Thanks, Lisa. Yeah. It's amazing.

1631
01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:53.280
OK, so beautiful people, we are going to say massive love to you all. Hope you have

1632
01:37:53.280 --> 01:38:00.640
Merry Christmas and a good Christmas. Hope the next like two weeks of your holidays as you go

1633
01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:09.440
into the end of the year. I really pray that there would be. Yeah, just a sacred just a really sacred

1634
01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:15.680
I'm just a really sacred time that in the midst of the busyness of work, of friends, family,

1635
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:20.240
festivities, I really pray that there would be some carved out time that you'd be able to have

1636
01:38:20.240 --> 01:38:25.760
with the father and with Jesus. And I know it can become such a really busy time. And so

1637
01:38:26.400 --> 01:38:32.240
just want to encourage you from a sister to some other sisters and brothers to yeah,

1638
01:38:32.240 --> 01:38:37.520
to carve out some time and just to put down the phone or just to take some of that time just to

1639
01:38:38.080 --> 01:38:43.840
yeah, be with the audience of one and just minister straight to his heart and even just

1640
01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:50.320
allowing him not with an agenda, but just with like Mary sitting at the feet of Jesus and pouring

1641
01:38:50.320 --> 01:38:57.360
forth her ointment and her love and her devotion, just taking that time, whether it's five minutes,

1642
01:38:57.360 --> 01:39:02.880
10 minutes, 30 minutes, whatever it looks like for you going on a walk, being on your knees,

1643
01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:09.200
having worship plane, soaking lane on a floor or your bedroom or whatever it looks like just

1644
01:39:09.200 --> 01:39:14.320
to have that intimate connection, whatever authenticity and intimacy looks like for you,

1645
01:39:14.320 --> 01:39:20.240
just really want to encourage you as you go into the new year, as you end one year really shifts

1646
01:39:20.240 --> 01:39:25.440
and it makes an impact on how you enter the next season. I remember someone saying that as you exit

1647
01:39:25.440 --> 01:39:30.160
one season, do it to the best of your ability, because it really sets the tone for you to enter

1648
01:39:30.160 --> 01:39:35.680
your next season. And so I believe that is also true of one year to the next year. And so I pray

1649
01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:41.760
that over you all. I just pray, father, in the name of Jesus, would you just release fresh anointing?

1650
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:47.040
God, I pray for such sovereign encounters in the day and in the night. I pray as they sleep,

1651
01:39:47.040 --> 01:39:52.400
that you would release dreams and visions, that you would be speaking to each one of us. I pray

1652
01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:58.320
that you would release angels, your ministering spirits. Jesus, would you come and speak to us?

1653
01:39:58.320 --> 01:39:59.840
Would you?

1654
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.120
revive our hearts, awaken our hearts.

1655
01:40:02.120 --> 01:40:06.260
Jesus, as we honor that God is with us, Emmanuel,

1656
01:40:06.260 --> 01:40:09.000
that you put on flesh, that the humility,

1657
01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:11.860
that you came as a baby, that you grew

1658
01:40:11.860 --> 01:40:13.820
and you showed us what the Father was like.

1659
01:40:13.820 --> 01:40:16.540
You displayed what true love looked like

1660
01:40:16.540 --> 01:40:18.300
and redemption and restoration

1661
01:40:18.300 --> 01:40:20.460
and healing and breakthrough, God.

1662
01:40:20.460 --> 01:40:22.540
You redeemed our humanity

1663
01:40:22.540 --> 01:40:24.820
and you led us back to the Father.

1664
01:40:24.820 --> 01:40:26.180
We just honor you now.

1665
01:40:26.180 --> 01:40:27.260
We worship you.

1666
01:40:27.260 --> 01:40:28.740
And we just ask, Father,

1667
01:40:28.780 --> 01:40:31.500
that you would be just releasing your love

1668
01:40:31.500 --> 01:40:33.080
in increasing measure.

1669
01:40:33.080 --> 01:40:35.660
So we ask for your healing, your restoration,

1670
01:40:35.660 --> 01:40:38.380
your redemption, your inspiration, God.

1671
01:40:38.380 --> 01:40:41.320
Would you come and infuse us with creativity?

1672
01:40:41.320 --> 01:40:44.280
Would you lift off weariness and fatigue,

1673
01:40:44.280 --> 01:40:47.660
depression, anxiety, fear,

1674
01:40:47.660 --> 01:40:49.260
things that have weighed us down

1675
01:40:49.260 --> 01:40:51.220
and tripped us up in this last season?

1676
01:40:51.220 --> 01:40:54.220
God, I thank you that your healing and redemption

1677
01:40:54.220 --> 01:40:56.420
and forgiveness is real.

1678
01:40:56.420 --> 01:40:58.300
And I just pray for freedom.

1679
01:40:58.820 --> 01:40:59.660
I pray for liberty.

1680
01:40:59.660 --> 01:41:00.780
I pray for strength.

1681
01:41:00.780 --> 01:41:02.580
I pray for fresh anointing.

1682
01:41:02.580 --> 01:41:06.220
I pray that we would feel more alive than ever before.

1683
01:41:06.220 --> 01:41:09.260
I pray that you would put a fresh new song in our spirit,

1684
01:41:09.260 --> 01:41:11.340
that you would fill us up, God,

1685
01:41:11.340 --> 01:41:14.740
that you put fresh love in our hearts, God.

1686
01:41:14.740 --> 01:41:16.620
Come with your reviving love.

1687
01:41:17.740 --> 01:41:18.580
Yeah.

1688
01:41:18.580 --> 01:41:20.020
Lead us in relationship.

1689
01:41:20.020 --> 01:41:22.980
Lead us by your voice and your presence into the fullness.

1690
01:41:22.980 --> 01:41:24.820
Lead us into our promised land.

1691
01:41:24.820 --> 01:41:26.340
Lead us into the great reward.

1692
01:41:26.340 --> 01:41:27.660
Lead us into the good works

1693
01:41:27.660 --> 01:41:29.620
that you've prepared in advance for us.

1694
01:41:29.620 --> 01:41:34.060
Lead us into dreams and visions and desires fulfilled, God.

1695
01:41:34.060 --> 01:41:37.220
We just declare abundance and provision

1696
01:41:37.220 --> 01:41:39.740
and breakthrough and anointing, God,

1697
01:41:39.740 --> 01:41:44.140
and the fullness of God towards us in Jesus' name.

1698
01:41:44.140 --> 01:41:44.980
Amen.

1699
01:41:44.980 --> 01:41:45.800
In Jesus' name.

1700
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:46.640
Wow.

1701
01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:47.460
Amen.

1702
01:41:47.460 --> 01:41:48.300
Thank you.

1703
01:41:48.300 --> 01:41:49.140
God bless you.

1704
01:41:49.140 --> 01:41:49.960
So good.

1705
01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:50.800
God bless you.

1706
01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:51.640
Thank you, guys.

1707
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:52.460
Thank you.

1708
01:41:52.460 --> 01:41:53.300
So I will be-

1709
01:41:53.300 --> 01:41:54.140
Thank you, guys.

1710
01:41:54.140 --> 01:41:56.060
Uploading this and putting it

1711
01:41:56.060 --> 01:41:59.460
on our Facebook creative page

1712
01:41:59.460 --> 01:42:01.780
on the Facebook Raising Royalty page.

1713
01:42:01.780 --> 01:42:03.740
So if you ever want to watch the replay

1714
01:42:03.740 --> 01:42:05.340
and hear all the golden gems

1715
01:42:05.340 --> 01:42:08.140
that the team and Zylan was sharing,

1716
01:42:08.140 --> 01:42:10.900
then you can hop on over and watch the replay.

1717
01:42:10.900 --> 01:42:13.260
And so all of you that have watched the replay,

1718
01:42:13.260 --> 01:42:14.780
we love you, we bless you.

1719
01:42:14.780 --> 01:42:16.660
And then all of you beautiful people,

1720
01:42:16.660 --> 01:42:19.140
have an amazing weekend.

1721
01:42:19.140 --> 01:42:19.980
Hallelujah.

1722
01:42:19.980 --> 01:42:20.800
Yeah.

1723
01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:21.640
Thank the Lord.

1724
01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:22.480
Blessings.

1725
01:42:22.480 --> 01:42:24.960
Have a great 2022.

1726
01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:25.800
Yes.

1727
01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:26.620
Yes.

1728
01:42:26.620 --> 01:42:27.640
Yes.

1729
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:28.480
Thank you.

1730
01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:30.460
Yeah.

1731
01:42:30.460 --> 01:42:31.520
Be blessed, beloveds.

1732
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:32.360
Yeah.

1733
01:42:32.360 --> 01:42:33.200
Thank you.

1734
01:42:33.200 --> 01:42:34.020
Blessing.

1735
01:42:34.020 --> 01:42:34.860
Yes.

1736
01:42:34.860 --> 01:42:35.700
God bless everybody.

1737
01:42:35.700 --> 01:42:38.080
Have a superb blessed holiday.

1738
01:42:38.080 --> 01:42:38.920
Amen.

1739
01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:39.760
Amen.

1740
01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:40.580
Amen.

1741
01:42:40.580 --> 01:42:41.420
God bless everyone.

1742
01:42:41.420 --> 01:42:42.600
Bless you, guys.

1743
01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:43.440
Thank you.

1744
01:42:43.440 --> 01:42:44.280
Much love.

1745
01:42:44.280 --> 01:42:45.400
Have a great day.

1746
01:42:45.400 --> 01:42:46.240
Thank you, everybody.

1747
01:42:46.240 --> 01:42:48.120
I received those blessings.

1748
01:42:48.120 --> 01:42:48.960
You did.

1749
01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:49.800
I know.

1750
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:50.640
I know.

1751
01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:51.460
I know.

1752
01:42:51.460 --> 01:42:52.300
I know.

1753
01:42:52.300 --> 01:42:53.140
I know.

1754
01:42:53.140 --> 01:42:53.960
I know.

1755
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:54.800
I know.

1756
01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:55.640
I know.

1757
01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:56.460
Good.

1758
01:42:56.460 --> 01:42:57.920
Bless you, guys.

1759
01:42:57.920 --> 01:42:58.760
Bye.

1760
01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:00.680
Bye.

1761
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:01.520
Bye.