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Hey, ladies and gentlemen,

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we are just checking in here,

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making sure we're streaming.

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I believe we're just about to go live.

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There we are, we're live.

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That's how we're live.

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It's awesome.

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Very, very cool.

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Well, good to see everybody back here.

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We've obviously been grinding hard.

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This is session 16 over the weekend.

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And we are like over halfway there,

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which is phenomenal.

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It's been such a sweet, sweet weekend.

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Benji, how are you doing?

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Oh, bro, I am feeling so lit up

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about everything that's happening,

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just on all the spaces where the kingdom of God

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is advancing beautifully and where people are rising,

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you know, like challenges aren't like blocking people.

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It's just causing people to rise.

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And the genius factor is being discovered

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and expressed and demonstrated.

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And so to me, I think that's just been a highlight

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is just seeing genius in action

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and being able to follow so many genius people

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that we didn't even know.

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You know, like so many people wouldn't even know

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that all these people are out there

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doing what they're doing.

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So it's just been fantastic to just get lit up,

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seeing it all.

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It's awesome.

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Super, super cool.

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Well, this is a special session for me

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because I have two of my favorite people

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in the world on call.

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One of them is Benji, as most of you know,

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but the other is Mr. Michael Seifert,

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whose name I just said correctly,

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which is an inside joke

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because every time Michael's on an interview,

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we get a little bit confused there with people.

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But Michael, it's great to have you with us.

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It is amazing to be here.

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This is fun.

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And yes, thank you for saying my last name correctly.

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I don't even bother correcting anyone anymore.

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So you could have called me Shelfert

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and I would have said, that's me,

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but you nailed it.

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Awesome.

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I'm glad I nailed it.

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Well, Michael, I'd love to just open up in prayer

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and then we're gonna just jump into what you and us

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or we are up to with Public Square,

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why we're doing it, what we're going after,

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how this is the beginning of a new digital economy

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that is really parallel to what's going on in culture.

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Let me pray and then let's jump into it.

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Jesus, we love you.

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We're so grateful.

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We're grateful that the streams of liberty

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come from your throne.

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And as we pursue the liberty of heaven,

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as we pursue the liberty that is on the earth,

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we just welcome you to exceedingly and abundantly more

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than we could ask for, think for, and imagine

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in our lifetime.

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God, bring together the purity of freedom

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in politics and business, move them together.

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And God, we just ask for favor in this time,

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for such a time as this, in Jesus' name, amen.

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Well, Michael, why don't you open the can of worms?

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What are we up to in the US

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and where are we at on the journey?

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And just paint a picture for us

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for the journey that we're on.

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Will do.

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Yeah, it is a journey indeed.

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And we've had an exciting even last few days

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as we're prepping for a new phase of the journey,

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which is where we're taking what we've done locally

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and bringing it nationally.

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And then we're excited for all of the international friends

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on this call, because before you know it,

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Public Square will be launched to the nations as well,

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which, oh yeah, amen.

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And it's happening sooner than we're even praying for.

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So grateful for how God works those things out.

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We are creating the alternate economy.

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Everyone's been wanting this for years,

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this idea of a parallel or alternate economy

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where our values as believers can be placed

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as an integral factor in every single transaction.

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And one thing that's really neat about that

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is we're using technology in order to make the transaction,

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but we're using technology in a way

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that drives us back to real human connection.

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So we're not utilizing technology

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for the purpose of disconnecting from humans

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in a solely and exclusively digital place,

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we're actually using technology in the digital space

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to drive us to real human connection

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in our local communities.

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So practically, what does that look like?

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We started an app and a website that connects

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anyone that loves freedom,

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anyone that loves those streams of liberty

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that flow from the throne of God.

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We connect those people on a local level,

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because I believe that if you want to change the world,

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you got to change your country.

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If you want to change your country,

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you got to change your state or your province.

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If you want to change your state or your province,

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you got to change your local community.

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If you want to change your local community,

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you got to change your backyard.

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So we're starting there,

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and we hope that we provide an app

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that essentially helps give people a digital marketplace,

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a marketplace of money, a marketplace of commerce,

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a marketplace of free thinkers that can.

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of conversation so that we can experience true connection

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at a local level that has a national and international impact.

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So there's a lot there we can jump into all of it.

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But yeah, I'm excited, as you can tell.

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Yeah, it's awesome.

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That's ideal. That's ideal.

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We like we like excitable people around here.

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Come on. Yeah.

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Yeah. So good.

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Well, before we go into more of the specifics, Michael, like

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why don't we share a little if you have some of the stories

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some of the people, you know, part of part of one of the really cool things

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about what we've been able to do inside this marketplace, inside

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the application has put a job board together.

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It's really helped serve a bunch of the community.

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Even yesterday, we had a business that just went went wild.

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who refused to wear masks in schools, different things like that.

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And, you know, they've just been blowing up on social media, which has been cool.

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Why don't you share some of the cool stories

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that have been going on in the background?

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Yeah, we're testimony driven.

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And I know that that's something that is common to raising royalty.

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The testimonies drive us

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because anytime I hear a testimony like that, I'm hungry for I'm hungry for five

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more. And so, you know, it's neat.

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This this week has been full of a lot of those stories.

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Flippin Pizza, four locations here in San Diego County, California.

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as a freedom loving business run by a believer who wants to serve his community.

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He saw this week students getting kicked out of our local schools

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because they refused to wear masks.

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of the campus over that lunch hour due to their refusal to wear that mask.

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He said anyone that has been protesting the mask mandate

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that feels they've been unfairly treated should come to our pizza place

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because you'll get a free slice of pizza.

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Public Square partnered with them in greater capacity today.

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here in San Diego County and any of those flippin pizza locations.

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Those four people could go and say that they're celebrating freedom

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and get a free slice of pizza.

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So things like that drive this alternate economy.

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It's the sweetest, sweetest reward being in our seat to be able to just witness this.

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We've seen people that have been fired from their jobs

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because they refused covid-19 vaccinations for either religious, personal

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or medical reasons.

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after she was fired from her position as a nurse, seven years in that profession.

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So Ben, through the ringer.

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Her hospital trusted her with other people's health, but not with her own

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health decisions, which I thought was rather corrupt.

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But Public Square provided a home for her.

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And so she reached out to us and said, friends, I need a freedom loving employer.

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I can't go through this again.

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And we got her connected to a physical therapy clinic.

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She's employed and happier than ever.

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We've heard stories of hair studios whose profits have jumped 500 percent

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in a single month because of their presence on the app.

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We've heard from an accountant who created her free profile on the app

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and an hour later had enough business to cover her for an entire month.

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This this this economy centered on values and values are our biggest driver

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as consumers. They are.

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And that's becoming more and more evident the more that polling is done on this issue.

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And so, yeah, we could we could talk for hours about the testimonies,

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but we're just getting started.

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So cool, man. So good.

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We I think one of the one of the interesting things so much about about this

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is that these are these are all businesses that just love, love.

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Freedom have been willing to stand up for their rights, stand up for the

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what the Constitution of America has given them permission to do,

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which is firstly, you know, have the have the freedom to speak,

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have the freedom to have their own religious values and civil liberties be protected.

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And and then as as the journey goes on, you know, we

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we've discovered this emerging, emerging culture of people

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who who are who are really just want to see America prosper.

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You know, and it's what's interesting

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is that once you start as to really see America prosper,

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as it's kind of had this played this role across the nations as as a beacon of hope,

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as a beacon of freedom across across the nation and across the world.

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And, you know, a lot of the heartbeat about why we're why we're doing this

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is to really restore that freedom, that centerpiece of freedom across

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But Michael, I wonder if you could speak a little bit to, you know, why freedom?

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Why is freedom so important to obviously us as public square?

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But why do we why do we have to agree on this?

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Why is it so important to navigate this? Well,

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great question.

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If we get it wrong, everything else falls apart.

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And so if we miss out on freedom, if we screw up liberty,

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we we lose all other opportunities.

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Our founders in the United States called our religious liberties our first freedoms

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because they said, if you lose the right to worship, you lose everything else.

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And so I think for us, we we feel like freedom.

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We have to get it right, because if we get that wrong,

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we'll be arguing with about all of our other differences behind bars.

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Like, one thing that's been really beautiful in this movement that Seb and I have witnessed a lot

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are the people that, you know, we may have slightly differing theological beliefs.

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We've come together as believers and unbelievers, people on the journey trying to figure it out,

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but we have this common unifying factor in that we want the freedom for my neighbor to figure it out.

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And my big belief, Seb's big belief, is like, I may disagree with what you have to say,

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but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.

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Because if we get that wrong, we lose every other freedom.

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I think there's also a real desire to give power back to people, to assume that we,

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let's say an entity or a nation or a region strips away people's freedoms,

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that means that there was a centralized authority powerful enough to do so,

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which we inherently believe is antagonistic to the values of God,

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which is a decentralized earthly kingdom

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where individuals are able to pursue their own walk with the Lord.

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They're able to pursue protection for them and their families.

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They're able to operate in a free economy.

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Like that closest aligns with the personal responsibility-driven nature of the gospel,

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that it's up to each and every one of us to take our part,

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to pursue individual responsibility in order to better ourselves and then our communities.

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And so there's also, anytime there's a centralized authority that jumps in

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and tries to even define what truth is or righteousness is,

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you start to see that individual liberties strip away.

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So not only are we driven by freedom for freedom's sake,

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so that it would advance,

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so we'd all be able to prosper in having this conversation about what do we believe

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and why do we believe it for years and years and years to come.

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We also just genuinely believe that the power deserves to be belonging

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in the hands of the people and especially the United States.

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Like that was our entire conception.

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Like the reason we were founded as a country was to give power back to the people.

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We were tired of a monarchy and went to the system that said,

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you know what, I don't have the right.

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I'm not the arbiter of truth for you to have to live your life by.

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Even why I may have ideas of what you should and shouldn't do,

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that doesn't mean if you're doing something that it doesn't infringe upon my rights,

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you should have the right to do it.

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So Canada, you're seeing right now,

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golly, if there's any Canadian friends on this,

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bless you, praying for you.

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But where Canada, we're seeing the exact ramifications of what happens

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when personal liberties are stripped away.

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The prime minister of Canada has no problem kneeling in protest and solidarity with one group,

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but he will arrest you.

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if you're protesting something he doesn't agree with.

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So yeah, Sam, our driver, we talk about this all the time.

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It's that the power would be back in the hands of the people.

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And then our prayer, ultimately, our prayer as a leadership team at Public Square

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is that as you drink from those streams of liberty,

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as you taste of the sweet freedom that God has so desired for us,

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that you'd eventually understand who authored freedom

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and who actually was the source of those streams of liberty.

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Like that's our deeper desire behind all of this.

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that as they pursued freedom, no matter where they started from,

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as they pursued freedom, they've come to know the person who created it.

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And that's obviously, that's where eternity starts to factor in.

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And that gets really fun.

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has claimed that the government will be your single source of truth.

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they've labelled things like health and wellness.

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could be a contributing factor into, you know,

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doing really well in the context of, you know,

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like if, you know, in a COVID outbreak,

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the context that health and wellness could be of benefit to you,

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your own looking after yourself,

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that's been labelled a conspiracy theory.

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and what's even funnier, right,

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is that it actually just came out this week

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in a thing that's called the Jacinda Papers.

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all the science that they've based all of their stuff on,

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all came from one group,

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which was funded specifically by the prime minister's office.

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produced all the data that the whole COVID response

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was based on all the graphing.

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of what was going to happen

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was pretty close to the immediate death of at least 80,000 people.

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Don't quote me on that at all, but not 80,000.

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It was off the back of these.

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hysterical charts and numbers of at least 80,000 people are going to die like that,

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that they use that to justify nationwide lockdowns and and claiming things like,

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oh yeah, health and wellness, they're basically a conspiracy, that's not going to help at all,

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you know, like vitamin D, no, like actually getting something, no, that's that's conspiracy

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theory, we, but so making these outrageous claims and then off the back of that saying,

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we will be your single source of truth, no need to think for yourself, we've got this covered,

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we've even funded the media to help you know what to think.

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It makes my head spin.

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It's outrageous.

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I pray for New Zealand too, but you're, you're, you're spot on, anytime you let the government

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determine, any centralized authority like that, determine that we are the truth or like our,

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Dr. Fauci said here in the United States last year, he said, I am the science, an attack on me

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is an attack on science itself. Anytime we're allowing people to get away with using rhetoric

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like that, we're prolonging this complete strip away of the value inherent to every individual

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to make the decisions that are best for them and their families, which is, especially when you get

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into a medical stuff, like it's just a whole nother level. And that's why I think a lot of

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people have awakened over the past two years, guys to realize like, okay, this is the hill.

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Actually, this is where I really start to press in. Cause we're not talking about,

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you know, cops being overbearing on a speeding ticket. We're talking about my ability to

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determine what or what not goes into my child's body. Like that's, that's a whole different realm.

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And so they poked a lot of mama bears, a lot of Papa bears, people are waking up. And I think now

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it's our responsibility. Those that are kind of awake and are pursuing the truth. Like it's our

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responsibility to welcome with open arms to the freedom movement and say, okay, how can we lock

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arms together and do this thing and grow this? Cause now is this moment in history that we

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shouldn't take for granted. Yeah. Massive. So good. So good. Michael, one of the things we keep

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talking about, you know, we've had conversations all week about it, multiple conversations this

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week about it is is the, is how much you, for example, someone like George Washington, first

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president of the United States, like carried integrity. And, you know, he, his, his leadership

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was so profound because he was he was expected to be, you know, basically reigning president

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for the rest of his life. Everybody expected him to do that. And yet he, he himself said,

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no, I'm going to have current limits and government. I'm going to put a restriction

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upon the, the centralized leadership of the government of this entire nation. And America

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celebrated its 245th birthday this last July. And we, you know, that's 250 nearly years worth of,

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of time where integrity has been the forefront of, of what has driven people towards freedom.

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And so much of the birthing place of public square is birthed out of this conviction to say,

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um, I choose to live my life on the platform of my values. And I choose to do that as an

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integrous place, but Michael, I'd love for you to just deep dive into that for us. Like, why is that,

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why is that important for you and, um, Sarah and your family? Why is it important for,

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for, for you to, to lead a movement that brings the integrity to the forefront of our,

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our spending habits, our information habits, that community, why is that important for you?

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Yeah, great question. Um, blessed is the nation who, who views God as God,

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blessed are the pure in heart for, they shall see God. Like there's this real tie to being

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pure in heart and pure in intent, and then seeing God and fruit on the other side of that.

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We see it throughout the scriptures. Why would the marketplace be any different?

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And so I think that for us, we see a real, obviously call on public square

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to pursue Liberty, but even more so Liberty unto a purpose. Like I was talking about earlier,

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that God would ultimately be glorified. And as we want legacy, which is like a big heart's cry for

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my wife and I like legacy, that's it. I want legacy. I don't care if no one knows my name

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in this lifetime. I want my grandkids years from now, decades from now to reap the fruit of what

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I've sown in this lifetime. Like that's, that's the goal. And so that that's all I want. That's

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all I want. My greatest fear is getting to the end of my life and thinking, Kali, I could have

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done more to leave a legacy. I don't want that. And so for us, everything is legacy driven. Legacy

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only comes with integrity. You're going to leave a legacy regardless. And I want people to remember

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us for our integrity. So people will either remember us for what we didn't do, or therefore

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they'll forget us for what we didn't do. Or they'll remember us for the stance we took,

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the righteousness we pursued and the integrity we held dear. Like you just talked about with

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George Washington, who of course had his faults, but at the end of the day, the man

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had power at his fingertips, which is the most enticing desire known to a.

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corrupt man is to attain power at all costs.

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And yet he refused for the betterment of people

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because it was more important for him to leave a legacy

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that today would be defined by term limits,

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two terms on what president,

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like that was a legacy that George Washington

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set in stone before it was even set in stone.

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And because he made that conscious choice

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to prioritize generations down the road,

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because he saw how is the fact that his actions today

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would affect everyone else's tomorrow,

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he chose to make a conscious decision to forego

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the temptation and desire for power

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in order that the lives of his people would be better.

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Like that, that is just integrity to a T.

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And so practically for us,

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Seb, you're spot on in the marketplace.

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It looks like us encouraging people to pursue integrity

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in their transactions.

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It encourages small businesses to pursue prosperity

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in their local communities and corruption

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that has taken place

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because of mega multinational corporations

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that are in bed with the government,

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that that corruption would be exposed.

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Like there's this whole element here

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where as we're bringing things into the light,

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because anytime you give power back to the people,

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the power structure starts to dismantle

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and things will be brought into the light inherently.

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If we can do that, like all of a sudden,

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we get to this ground zero in the marketplace

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where we get to look at things through sober eyes

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and say what is righteous and what is not,

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what is true and what is false.

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And how can we make sure that we are establishing

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a future in this country and nations around the world

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where integrity is at the forefront.

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We believe that public square is a very integral tool

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to making that happen.

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Come on, so good.

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So good, it's really is that core principle.

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It's one of our core values in public square,

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but at the end of the day,

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if you can live your life on the platform of your values,

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then you get to live a life of integrity and conviction,

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conviction that actually establishes things.

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Even the scripture we were talking about earlier today,

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Benji, a righteous man leaves a legacy

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for his children's children's children.

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That's essentially what we're saying here

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is like it's the righteousness of a man

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that empowers them to leave that legacy

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and that call and journey there is so key.

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But Michael, one of the other themes of this summit

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has been emerging technology

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and how like crypto, decentralization, NFTs,

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how, what kind of a role do you see that playing

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in the emerging economy?

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And how do you see that coming together

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with what we're doing?

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We've, you know, it's fun, Seb.

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We could go through even some examples of, you know,

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what the app is today and what it will be

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in three or four years.

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And one of the defining hallmarks that you'd see consistent

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throughout all the different features we will add

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between now and then is it will really move

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to become more and more of a decentralized platform,

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utilizing a lot of the technological advancements

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that have taken place over the last 10 years

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in this sort of wild west of technology.

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And I think it's important to note that for a long time,

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like we just trusted the internet inherently.

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The last 20 years, most people in society,

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myself included up until about five or six years ago,

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kind of blindly trusted the internet.

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You know, we thought, golly, this is such a free place

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for information to flow.

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Look at all that I can search even at my fingertips.

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And then we started to realize that, wait a second,

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information decentralized in the power

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with the ability to be swayed or manipulated

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by these centralized powers.

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Like that's a pretty dangerous concept,

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especially when you have people thinking

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they're getting the truth

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because they have information so tangible.

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And yet all that information is filtered

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through a corporation that either likes you

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or doesn't like you.

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of what we're seeing today in Web3 and NFTs

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and the move to embrace more crypto

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and the move to make wallets more simple too,

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because the reality is like

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a lot of these really cool advancements

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aren't gonna catch on unless people make them simple.

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And so I really admire the men and women in this space

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that are fighting to simplify

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the process of decentralization.

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But all in all, when we add more of those components

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to the marketplace, we do two things.

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You help consumers take their voice back.

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that they know with transparency

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what they're spending money on and what they're not.

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You give them more autonomy over their own dollars

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so that they're able to ensure

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that the bulk of their finances

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go to things they believe in.

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The other thing that you're doing

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is you're helping even the playing field.

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One thing I like about NFTs

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and I like about crypto in general

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is that it gives the ability,

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if you remember the Reddit Wall Street channel,

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Wall Street Bets channel this year

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made a run on Citadel Capital.

492
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That was a good example of how

493
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the more that decentralized technology

494
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and the conversation about it

495
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has been made attainable for people.

496
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.880
regular people like we've been able to experience the joys of investing the joys of seeing returns

497
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:12.960
the joys of feeling advanced and innovative like it's become for the average people and not just

498
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in an exclusive set of technological code only accessible to a few it's like we're seeing the

499
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reformation like you guys remember the bible was not readable for anyone it was like the internet

500
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was controlled by these people the bible was controlled by these priests and no one else

501
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the common people couldn't access it martin luther goes he nails his stuff to the wall

502
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and all of a sudden it was like the world burst forth for average people and i think that's what

503
00:25:38.080 --> 00:25:42.800
this decentralized move is doing like the fact you can buy an nft right now and then use it for

504
00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:48.560
branding like that is such a cool move to help average people feel like with a few bucks they

505
00:25:48.560 --> 00:25:52.160
can pursue really innovative technological advancements for themselves their business

506
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:57.840
and their community so i can't wait to see what it all leads to i generally uh can't stand the fed

507
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:02.000
in general too so when we talk about monetary policy i'm like anything that disrupts the

508
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:08.160
federal reserve big fan uh i don't like the global banks international monetary fund is my

509
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:15.760
uh any three-letter agency i don't trust them and so uh the the the imf is no different and so

510
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i think that uh we're we're in for a new dawn in technology and i can't wait for public square to

511
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be at the forefront of it okay hey i've got a curly i've got a curly question for you here

512
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that i think is kind of connected this is something that i think is deep in the psychology

513
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of christians uh and i think we've only looked at one side of the coin so i'm going to jump right

514
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here and i think you can almost guess the scripture that i'm going for when i show you a picture here

515
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i mean this is this is some pictures out of sweden right now okay so this is people all over sweden

516
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right now are getting these chips that are carrying their vaccine passports in them like

517
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chip me go ahead chip me and it's like thousands of people are like yeah cool give me my chip like

518
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and uh and so i mean that's the uh that's the picture and here's the here's the scripture

519
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just here in revelation 13 right which is right about what you guys talking about is uh

520
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it or so i mean i think everyone can like know this scripture already but it also forced

521
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all people great and small rich and poor free and slave to receive a mark on their right hands

522
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or on their foreheads so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark

523
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:42.160
which is the name of the beast or the number of its name uh so let's start the screen share there

524
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but i think that inherently christians have been raised with this massive fear of this moment in

525
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time where there'll be a centralized economy and if you're not in it uh you will have nothing but

526
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my the angle that i want to come at this is i also think that we have had this mindset

527
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interpreting this on like one side of the coin because our mindset has been a lack-based mindset

528
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as opposed to looking at from heaven's perspective where heaven's like guys in a way the economy is

529
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already kind of centralized like big banking they basically own everything mega corporations like

530
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:25.920
apple we looked yesterday at apple 2.1 trillion dollars a year um that puts we we actually looked

531
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at the big business and countries and in the top 200 economic entities on the planet only 47 of them

532
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are nations you know like 153 of the top economic entities on the planets are big business that are

533
00:28:42.800 --> 00:28:49.680
multi-trillion dollar companies i mean this is wild crazy and i think that some like somehow

534
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:55.680
we've been asleep to this not conscious of the fact hey the world is being controlled by big

535
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big business that has more wealth than nations and trillions of dollars are stewarded by a few

536
00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:06.080
who are hoarding it uh and in a sense i think from heaven's perspective heaven's been kind of like

537
00:29:06.080 --> 00:29:11.200
would you guys like maybe wake up one day and like discover that you actually kind of already live in

538
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.920
a pretty centralized economy where a handful of people control all the wealth and they're not

539
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.200
stewarding it very well which means that millions of people die from malnutrition and lack of water

540
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.720
when you know like they could make one decision you know just a couple of people on the planet

541
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:30.320
right now have the access to trillions of dollars that if they made this one decision all all lack

542
00:29:30.320 --> 00:29:35.520
could be ended overnight on the planet so here's the angle that i wanted to come at this question

543
00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:41.440
from you know people people see this moment in revelation 13 is a bad thing like oh no i'm going

544
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:48.240
to get kicked out of a corrupt decentralized economy what if god's really excited about that

545
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:54.080
what if god's like fantastic i want you all to unsubscribe don't wait for the chip you know like

546
00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:59.680
unsubscribe now this system sucks heaven's got a better format heaven's got a better

547
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:05.120
for you? And what if God's like, oh, could you unsubscribe years ago? And he's actually now saying,

548
00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:10.400
hey, guys, I want to invite you, like, don't wait for the chip to get kicked out of this economy,

549
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:16.240
create a parallel economy now and actually jump on board and enjoy this right now, right? And

550
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:21.200
having this abundance-based mindset that goes, actually, we can completely flip the script,

551
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:27.120
we can unsubscribe from that system. And as we unsubscribe and take all our money out of banking

552
00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:32.480
and insurance, and we take it with us to a whole new world and create our own infrastructures and

553
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:38.400
economies of banking and insurance, we actually don't just take our money, we take their leverage.

554
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Like millions start unsubscribing. And I guess what I love about what you guys are doing in

555
00:30:43.280 --> 00:30:50.720
Public Square is you're helping create infrastructure, a pathway, a highway, in a

556
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sense, you know, like make straightaway in the wilderness, a highway for people to start having

557
00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:01.760
these ideas and like jumping into the space of actually unsubscribing from a system that's

558
00:31:01.760 --> 00:31:06.560
already corrupt. So just love to hear your thoughts on that. It seems like you guys are in that space.

559
00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:14.240
So yeah, really keen to hear about that. Yeah, you nailed it. I mean, we dream that people

560
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would have that realization without having to be pushed to the edge. And we hope that the

561
00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:24.640
alternate economy we're creating is so enticing that Christians jump ship from the system

562
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:29.440
and enjoy the fruits of this parallel economy before they're forced with their back against

563
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:35.120
the wall to do so. We're trying to view this through a prophetic lens and realize where the

564
00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:41.520
world is going, and jump on this moment and have our systems prepared so that once that day comes,

565
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whenever that is, and I don't know what season we're living in, I don't know when that season's

566
00:31:45.280 --> 00:31:49.040
coming, I can tell you, I don't really care. Because at the end of the day, I'm going to have

567
00:31:49.040 --> 00:31:53.600
my coffee shops, and I'm going to have my bank, and I'm going to have my church that's standing

568
00:31:53.600 --> 00:31:59.120
for freedom. And I'm going to have my family's education taken care of and our systems provided

569
00:31:59.120 --> 00:32:04.800
for, because we went a different way years ago. And I think you can get really joyful about that

570
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even. And I love your take on it, Benji, because I'm like, we do look at that passage with despair.

571
00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:14.480
But in reality, like, it's kind of like the COVID season. COVID season sucked in a lot of ways.

572
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:20.160
It was also a beautiful separating moment where it was like, okay, rubber met the road, guys,

573
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:25.120
it's time. Like, what side are y'all on here? What are you standing for? And to be honest,

574
00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:30.960
like, I think we needed a good moment to have a reality check in society. I hate how it went down.

575
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.960
I hate how everyone responded. At the end of the day, though, I'm really glad because coming out

576
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:39.760
on the other side of this two years later, like we've seen stuff for what it is. And going back

577
00:32:39.760 --> 00:32:44.080
to those people that have awakened over the past few years, it's like, good. Now we got a lot of

578
00:32:44.080 --> 00:32:49.440
work to do, but I'm glad we're awake. And so I couldn't agree more. I think it's a hopeful time.

579
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:54.720
We wouldn't be doing this if we weren't hopeful, to be honest. Like, we'd just, you know, we'd be

580
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.720
solutionless. We'd be saying, woe is us. What the heck? World's going to hell in a handbasket

581
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:04.640
anyway. So what's the point? That's not us. It would be really, really fun to make Revelation

582
00:33:05.600 --> 00:33:13.760
13 a real anticlimax. Like, what happened? There's a new mark. Yep.

583
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:20.160
Ah, wouldn't it be good to make that such an anticlimax where the devil's been like

584
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:28.240
waiting for millennia, right? Yeah. And there was like, oh, sorry, dude. We unsubscribe from

585
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:34.400
that ages ago. You're going to have to find some other guys who really care about that

586
00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:39.760
economy thing of yours. Yep. Amen. Preach.

587
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:48.080
Ah, so good. So good. You know, it's, it's the, you're right. You know, it's just the, it's the

588
00:33:48.080 --> 00:33:54.320
beginning of total transition period that COVID really was. It was cleared the way for us to

589
00:33:54.320 --> 00:33:59.600
really start thinking like this. And, you know, before public square was a thing, I remember,

590
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:06.160
you know, you, Michael telling the story about how you and, and Sarah Gable went through your house

591
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:11.840
looking for, you know, what are the companies that you're supporting with your dollars? And,

592
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:17.040
and what are they, what are they, what are they value? And what are they going after? And why

593
00:34:17.040 --> 00:34:21.199
don't you just speak to that just a little bit, that process, because, you know, for people who

594
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:26.239
are not able to access public square yet, you know, what, what the question really is, what

595
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:32.320
can we do now for people across the earth, people around the world, and maybe speak to, you know,

596
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:37.280
maybe a little bit about the exciting things about Canada potentially very soon. And, you know, if

597
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:42.480
that's the thing we want to jump into, but the speak, talk to us about that. How can we do this

598
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:50.639
now? How can we make it really simple for people who are on the journey? Yeah, great question. I

599
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.679
am, I'll answer it in two ways, two steps. First is this, because you nailed it. Sarah Gable and

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I have had a really revelatory two years of going through our own house and basically looking through

601
00:34:59.600 --> 00:34:59.840
everything.

602
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.660
we owned and we threw away a lot.

603
00:35:03.640 --> 00:35:07.600
And we've ceased a lot of bad habits in the marketplace

604
00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:09.480
of buying from companies that at the end of the day,

605
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.400
like really hate me and my values.

606
00:35:12.600 --> 00:35:13.640
And we can downplay it.

607
00:35:13.640 --> 00:35:16.840
We can say, well, they're just trying to placate.

608
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:18.000
They're just trying to make, no.

609
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.080
At the end of the day,

610
00:35:19.080 --> 00:35:21.420
like the only way you're matching employee contributions

611
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.080
to Planned Parenthood to fund abortions

612
00:35:23.080 --> 00:35:26.300
is if you genuinely love abortions than hate my values.

613
00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:27.140
Like that's it.

614
00:35:27.140 --> 00:35:28.680
And when we can view it through a sober mind,

615
00:35:28.680 --> 00:35:30.300
like I'm never going to Starbucks again.

616
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:31.140
You know what I mean?

617
00:35:31.140 --> 00:35:34.820
And so that's the first thing is taking inventory,

618
00:35:34.820 --> 00:35:36.420
going through your own house and saying,

619
00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:38.540
what can I switch up today?

620
00:35:38.540 --> 00:35:41.260
What's immediate stuff that I can switch up?

621
00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:43.060
What are things that I can live without

622
00:35:43.060 --> 00:35:45.220
that have been creature comforts?

623
00:35:45.220 --> 00:35:48.040
It may inconvenience me a bit to have them without,

624
00:35:48.040 --> 00:35:50.740
but golly, fire always falls on sacrifice.

625
00:35:50.740 --> 00:35:51.580
Tell you what,

626
00:35:51.580 --> 00:35:53.260
anytime we're willing to inconvenience ourselves

627
00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:54.220
to pursue righteousness,

628
00:35:54.220 --> 00:35:56.060
like there's blessing and reward on the other side of that.

629
00:35:56.060 --> 00:35:59.880
So in my mind, that's a great first step, you know,

630
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.280
find the stuff that's easy, low hanging fruit.

631
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.240
What can I stop doing?

632
00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:06.040
Do you need to throw away your Nike shoes?

633
00:36:06.040 --> 00:36:07.620
Do you need to go give them to a goodwill?

634
00:36:07.620 --> 00:36:09.600
You need to start with a new pair of new balances.

635
00:36:09.600 --> 00:36:11.400
Like what is the thing that's easy to do?

636
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.240
You need to stop buying seventh generation

637
00:36:13.240 --> 00:36:16.340
household products because they're donating

638
00:36:16.340 --> 00:36:18.900
to defunding the police here in the North America.

639
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:21.740
Okay, I'm going to stop using those, right?

640
00:36:21.740 --> 00:36:24.160
And a lot of that information is really accessible

641
00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:27.940
and it only takes a few Google searches even to discover

642
00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:31.060
like where are corporations, big ones spending their money.

643
00:36:31.060 --> 00:36:32.860
The harder stuff is the local businesses

644
00:36:32.860 --> 00:36:34.940
and that's where we come into it.

645
00:36:34.940 --> 00:36:37.580
And I'd say if you live in California

646
00:36:37.580 --> 00:36:38.660
or if you live in the United States,

647
00:36:38.660 --> 00:36:41.320
like having public square is the best tool on the planet.

648
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.060
Not just saying that because we created it.

649
00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:45.460
I'm saying it because it has made our buying process

650
00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:46.300
so simple.

651
00:36:46.300 --> 00:36:48.180
I literally just got a text while we're sitting here

652
00:36:48.180 --> 00:36:51.080
from a woman who basically only does restaurants

653
00:36:51.080 --> 00:36:52.840
now that are on the app.

654
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.460
She has found her go-to spots.

655
00:36:54.460 --> 00:36:56.900
And I would say, even if you don't have public square yet,

656
00:36:56.900 --> 00:36:59.660
so you can't find the plumbers, electricians,

657
00:36:59.660 --> 00:37:03.060
the hotels, restaurants, coffee shops, et cetera,

658
00:37:03.060 --> 00:37:05.220
that's everything you do will be revolving

659
00:37:05.220 --> 00:37:06.060
around your values.

660
00:37:06.060 --> 00:37:08.020
You still can take a step.

661
00:37:08.020 --> 00:37:11.420
And a step would look like go talk

662
00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:13.940
to a few restaurant owners, get to know them.

663
00:37:13.940 --> 00:37:15.620
Like before you spend your money

664
00:37:15.620 --> 00:37:17.060
and find a new date night spot,

665
00:37:17.060 --> 00:37:19.380
like get to know the date night spot.

666
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:22.060
Did they respect your values over COVID?

667
00:37:22.060 --> 00:37:23.440
The other thing I would do is if you're plugged

668
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.120
into a church, ask the pastor,

669
00:37:25.120 --> 00:37:26.360
hey, are there any restaurants owned

670
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.360
by our church congregants?

671
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.480
Because I'd love to support those.

672
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.320
Is there any network of businesses

673
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:33.680
in our local community here, pastor,

674
00:37:33.680 --> 00:37:37.360
that you know of that I need to be really patronizing?

675
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:38.400
Those are two immediate things.

676
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.560
Look at what you need to leave

677
00:37:39.560 --> 00:37:42.000
and then look at what are the easy low-hanging fruit stuff

678
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.960
that you can start to make these incremental habits.

679
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.240
You're not gonna be perfect overnight.

680
00:37:45.240 --> 00:37:46.160
I'm not.

681
00:37:46.160 --> 00:37:49.160
Sebza, we're still not perfect in our spending,

682
00:37:49.160 --> 00:37:51.800
but golly, we're on the journey and we're getting there.

683
00:37:52.540 --> 00:37:53.740
And I think if we had a nation

684
00:37:53.740 --> 00:37:56.660
and nations of the world just getting there,

685
00:37:56.660 --> 00:37:58.500
we would be amazed at how much transformation

686
00:37:58.500 --> 00:37:59.340
we start to see.

687
00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:02.020
Our dream is that 10 million public square members

688
00:38:02.020 --> 00:38:03.660
in the United States alone leave Starbucks

689
00:38:03.660 --> 00:38:05.060
because they found a better local option

690
00:38:05.060 --> 00:38:07.700
and Starbucks burns to the ground metaphorically

691
00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:10.540
into ashes of progressive authoritarianism.

692
00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:14.740
So we're excited to help that along that journey.

693
00:38:14.740 --> 00:38:19.740
And we've been just talking about this theme right now.

694
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And I think it's so key to freedom

695
00:38:22.680 --> 00:38:25.940
is that the theme of unsubscribing,

696
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.920
was we don't realize how much power

697
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.800
we give companies, corporations,

698
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.280
our banking and insurance companies, our governments.

699
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.840
We don't realize how much power we give them

700
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.380
when we subscribe to what they're putting out

701
00:38:50.260 --> 00:38:53.340
and how much power there is in unsubscribing.

702
00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:55.140
Even crypto, for example,

703
00:38:55.140 --> 00:38:57.980
you got tens of millions of people around the world

704
00:38:57.980 --> 00:39:00.340
unsubscribing from fiat,

705
00:39:00.340 --> 00:39:03.340
jumping into this crypto space,

706
00:39:03.340 --> 00:39:05.580
jumping into decentralized finance.

707
00:39:05.580 --> 00:39:10.580
And I don't think that the banks are all that excited

708
00:39:10.700 --> 00:39:13.620
about the fact that they're losing hundreds of millions,

709
00:39:13.620 --> 00:39:18.620
actually billions of dollars coming out of their economy,

710
00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:21.120
billions of dollars shifting over into the crypto world.

711
00:39:21.120 --> 00:39:22.480
That's completely, they're like, man,

712
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:23.880
we're losing our wealth.

713
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.120
We're losing our leverage.

714
00:39:25.120 --> 00:39:28.400
We're losing out as people are unsubscribing

715
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.160
and subscribing to new opportunities.

716
00:39:33.680 --> 00:39:35.120
Amen. I love it.

717
00:39:35.120 --> 00:39:36.680
I love the imagery.

718
00:39:36.680 --> 00:39:39.520
I love clicking the button, subscribing.

719
00:39:39.520 --> 00:39:40.960
And today, if you're on an email list,

720
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.420
you know how often hard it is to unsubscribe

721
00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:44.540
from certain things

722
00:39:44.540 --> 00:39:47.020
and how cloaked that unsubscribe button is

723
00:39:47.020 --> 00:39:49.260
behind 18 different pages you have to go through

724
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:51.020
until you're eventually unsubscribed.

725
00:39:51.020 --> 00:39:52.980
A lot of companies make it really difficult.

726
00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:54.760
But, and I think there's a metaphor there.

727
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.900
I think there are a lot of creature comforts

728
00:39:56.900 --> 00:40:00.020
and conveniences that are tied to subscribing.

729
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:07.000
But I really want to go back to this, this message that if you can put in a time to unsubscribe like it's only blessings.

730
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:18.000
My wife and I feel more liberated than we've ever felt in our entire life because I can go to bed every night knowing that like man I tried to live my entire life on the platform and my values today, and you strip the tyrants of power.

731
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:32.000
The worst, the worst worst possible thing for a corrupt centralized authority is for a bunch of free humans to rise up and take responsibility for their own actions like that's that's what the tyrants fear more than anything.

732
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:50.000
And so, if we can do that, especially in the world of economics where it hurts them the most like amazing. And I think it's also important to note that like corporations aren't inherently bad, they're only bad if they're in bed with the government, and they are promulgated

733
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:57.000
by a corrupt authority structure like that's that's what we're a corporation public square as a C corporation.

734
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:13.000
Corporations aren't inherently bad just because they're corporations what makes us good or what makes us bad is how do we devolve our power, how is our authority structured, are we structured as a consumer service, where the people decided whether or not we

735
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:25.000
are we structured as a corrupt entity where the government decided that we have the power because we have something to offer the government to prolong their power, like, that's a really important distinction to make to.

736
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:38.000
So, don't, don't feel like you know golly do we need to go back to a trading and bartering system where it's just like I'll give you a chicken for four cows and, and I can't ever, you know, you know, initiate any sort of transaction with any corporation.

737
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:43.000
That's not the case there are great things to subscribe to.

738
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:55.000
But those things are going to be found in this parallel economy that's not tied to the government. In fact, if a business lobbies hard for the government and the government is fond of that business, like, that's where we should start to have those flags up.

739
00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:10.000
The fact that crypto is so inherently an enemy of big government is all the reason for me to trust it more, you know, because you can look at, you know, where does the money lead, who benefits if this thing works that's another great question, golly, like who benefits.

740
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:27.000
This system works crypto, the only people that benefit if the system works is the people, the Federal Reserve, if the US dollar works the Federal Reserve is the one that benefits, because all the assets are essentially tied to them and so a lot there but I think you're,

741
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:40.000
you're spot on Benji I love the idea of unsubscribing I know it takes it takes some some growing pains, and I don't want to portray it as this easy thing to do, but golly it is so worth it.

742
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.000
Come on.

743
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:57.000
Great. I got, I got another question for you, probably getting close to coming in for a landing but paint a picture for us of the better brighter future, and what's it gonna, what's it gonna look like when these dreams that you're carrying materialize.

744
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:04.000
What does that what does that better brighter future look like something that people can anchor a hope into and go yeah I'll fight for that.

745
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.000
Amen.

746
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:13.000
Three things come to mind immediately number one is everything is brought into the light.

747
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:28.000
Everyone is exposed, what are you standing for, what are you standing against, what are you fighting for Starbucks, what are you really all about Bank of America, what are you really all about, like I see this movement putting pressure on these large corrupt fascistic

748
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:45.000
and exposing them in the process. I see it exposing our government, I see it also exposing people's who motives are pure, and I think we're going to see a real divide in the economy I think the parallel economy is something that I don't think is a scary thing

749
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:50.000
that we should stay away from I think it's something that we should press into.

750
00:43:51.000 --> 00:44:05.000
I think it's time that we all have a very sobering come to Jesus moment, like what is this thing really built on, is it sturdy ground, or is it shifting sand and I want to go with what's going to be built on on sturdy ground and good soil so I think that's one thing,

751
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:16.000
things are getting exposed people are awakening, the more that public square rises to prominence and the more that people embrace this parallel economy I think it's a flywheel, it'll continue to build on itself the more people that wake up the more entities

752
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:32.000
that are awake thrive, the more that more people are waking up like it's a really neat give and take there. The second thing that I think I'd say is that there's a there's a really strong consumer to business and business to consumer economy that's created

753
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:45.000
it's value centric where we actually begin to see ministry taking place in the marketplace, because of the way that we're spending our dollars that the marketplace and ministry aren't compartmentalized anymore but they're actually one of the same because it's

754
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:58.000
like you're actually forwarding the kingdom, every time you make a transaction, because your Americano you got wasn't just for the Americano sake, and that transaction you actually supported a business owner that wants to see the kingdom brought to your honor.

755
00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:59.000
So that's the second thing.

756
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.320
I'd say is that there's a real legacy being established

757
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.440
in the world of the B2B marketplace,

758
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.920
businesses helping other businesses.

759
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:11.520
There's also a real market that's created for investors

760
00:45:11.520 --> 00:45:14.120
to be able to participate in an economy

761
00:45:14.120 --> 00:45:18.240
and actually resell profits into this engine

762
00:45:18.240 --> 00:45:21.040
that's driving based upon freedom and liberty.

763
00:45:21.040 --> 00:45:22.280
That's really exciting too.

764
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.360
One thing that we've really prayed into

765
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.240
and are excited about developing

766
00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:29.080
is this whole full-fledged B2B marketplace.

767
00:45:29.080 --> 00:45:30.520
And then on top of that,

768
00:45:30.520 --> 00:45:33.280
there are these value-centric private equity guys

769
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:34.320
that come around and they say,

770
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:36.680
hey, look, we buy small businesses

771
00:45:36.680 --> 00:45:38.120
and help them get to an exit

772
00:45:38.120 --> 00:45:40.360
where the founder is in his 50s or 60s

773
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:44.120
and kind of looking for a door out to pass on that business.

774
00:45:44.120 --> 00:45:46.680
We come in and we help him make that journey,

775
00:45:46.680 --> 00:45:48.480
but we need to have that values alignment.

776
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.480
So I get really excited about that space too,

777
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:51.960
where the businesses can interact

778
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.800
and investors can start to pour in to see the market expand.

779
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.440
And then guys, when those three things happen,

780
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.000
I'm also very excited, and I'll finish with this,

781
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.160
for the Starbucks of the world to apologize

782
00:46:05.160 --> 00:46:08.280
and to say, golly, we took a gamble

783
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:09.800
and we thought that it would pay off

784
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:14.120
by kowtowing to a very small group of loud authoritarians

785
00:46:14.120 --> 00:46:15.720
and it wasn't worth it.

786
00:46:15.720 --> 00:46:17.800
I believe that we're gonna see that day.

787
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.000
I believe that we're gonna see a sort of reckoning

788
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.080
where people are going to have come to Jesus Moments,

789
00:46:22.080 --> 00:46:24.400
Bank of America is gonna stop donating to Planned Parenthood

790
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:26.240
because they saw it hurt their wallets.

791
00:46:26.240 --> 00:46:28.680
I think we're gonna see the Federal Reserve

792
00:46:28.680 --> 00:46:30.560
actually realize that their system

793
00:46:32.120 --> 00:46:33.720
is not what the people are desiring.

794
00:46:33.720 --> 00:46:35.200
Now, whether they fight us on it

795
00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:38.640
or whether they fall into oblivion, time will tell.

796
00:46:38.640 --> 00:46:40.000
But at the end of the day,

797
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.400
I think that there's gonna be a real retribution

798
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:43.440
on the other side of this,

799
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:44.920
where people are gonna have an opportunity

800
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.440
to kind of change their ways or dig in,

801
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:49.160
but see the destruction of their industry

802
00:46:49.160 --> 00:46:50.960
because the people aren't wanting it anymore.

803
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:52.080
They're not buying what they're selling.

804
00:46:52.120 --> 00:46:54.480
So there's a lot there, but we're hopeful.

805
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:56.360
I think the economy's turned upside down.

806
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:57.880
Freedom's brought into the mainstream,

807
00:46:57.880 --> 00:46:59.080
nations around the world,

808
00:46:59.080 --> 00:47:01.200
but it all has got to start on that local level.

809
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:03.800
Awesome.

810
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:04.640
It's awesome.

811
00:47:04.640 --> 00:47:05.960
I know we talk about this every day,

812
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.320
but this is the future of it all.

813
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:10.520
So I'm excited.

814
00:47:10.520 --> 00:47:11.400
I love it.

815
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:12.760
Thanks, Michael.

816
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.160
Probably try to bring it in for a land here,

817
00:47:15.160 --> 00:47:18.760
but there's so much there to unpack,

818
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:23.040
but I know we've got a wait list.

819
00:47:23.040 --> 00:47:26.200
If you want Public Square to come to where you are,

820
00:47:26.200 --> 00:47:30.880
www.publicsq.com is the way to do that.

821
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.640
But anything you'd add there as we close out, Michael?

822
00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:35.600
No, you nailed it.

823
00:47:35.600 --> 00:47:36.960
You can follow us on Instagram,

824
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.680
at officialpublicsq.

825
00:47:38.680 --> 00:47:42.200
You just mentioned the site, publicsq.com.

826
00:47:42.200 --> 00:47:43.880
We're doing big things

827
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.120
to help bring power back in the hands of the people.

828
00:47:46.120 --> 00:47:48.320
We'd love to have people on the journey with us.

829
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:50.000
We are a part of something that's bigger

830
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.320
than any of us individually.

831
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.480
And so none of this works without community.

832
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.400
And so we'd love for people to join us on the journey.

833
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:58.640
We'd love to serve people.

834
00:47:58.640 --> 00:48:02.280
As we get prepped for a international expansion,

835
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.240
we'd love to know what country you're from.

836
00:48:04.240 --> 00:48:05.520
Where are you wanting this?

837
00:48:05.520 --> 00:48:07.720
How could Public Square benefit your community

838
00:48:07.720 --> 00:48:09.440
by bringing a values-based marketplace

839
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:10.560
into your local region?

840
00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:12.400
We'd love to know where you're from

841
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:13.760
and how you think it could help.

842
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:15.720
Like all of that, please send feedback

843
00:48:15.720 --> 00:48:17.160
because that's the only way this thing grows.

844
00:48:17.160 --> 00:48:18.520
We need to know,

845
00:48:18.520 --> 00:48:21.320
what does this economy need to look like in your eyes?

846
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.720
Because that's ultimately who matters at the end of the day

847
00:48:23.720 --> 00:48:27.000
is you and your family and your neighbor next to you

848
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.280
with the same issues and same problems

849
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.120
and the same desires in their local community too.

850
00:48:31.120 --> 00:48:32.400
So if we can build this as an army,

851
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.600
like this thing's gonna be unstoppable.

852
00:48:34.600 --> 00:48:38.040
Hey, I've got one question I just can't resist asking

853
00:48:38.040 --> 00:48:39.240
and we've kind of covered it,

854
00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:42.880
but it'd be cool just to have another little recap on this.

855
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.880
How integral is this dynamic of economies,

856
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.520
economics and a free economy?

857
00:48:55.520 --> 00:49:00.520
How integral is that to the cycling nations?

858
00:49:02.720 --> 00:49:06.680
And I got a little bit of a spicy question on top,

859
00:49:06.680 --> 00:49:08.280
just like another little extra little bit.

860
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:09.680
So it's two parts.

861
00:49:09.680 --> 00:49:13.800
How integral is this dynamic of free economies

862
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:18.320
and mastering our economic structures

863
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.760
to the process of the cycling nations?

864
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.200
And the little spicy bit at the end is

865
00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:25.360
what happens if we don't get it right?

866
00:49:28.560 --> 00:49:32.040
Yeah, well, two quick answers.

867
00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:33.720
United States is a great example.

868
00:49:33.720 --> 00:49:35.800
The states with the lower taxes

869
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.000
and the more decentralized economies

870
00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:40.480
give more to charity per capita.

871
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.560
States that embrace conservative values

872
00:49:42.560 --> 00:49:45.320
give more a hundred times out of a hundred.

873
00:49:46.240 --> 00:49:48.440
Every statistic in the book will show you that's true.

874
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.120
So as you give more power back to the people

875
00:49:50.120 --> 00:49:51.880
and as you embrace a free market

876
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.840
and less government regulations

877
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.480
and less corruption between government and big business,

878
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.320
the people decide what to do with their money

879
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:00.160
and they use it.

880
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.280
at per capita more than the other regions

881
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.080
to embrace the kingdom and advance its purposes.

882
00:50:05.080 --> 00:50:08.640
So United States is that way on the international states.

883
00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:10.480
The more that the United States has prospered

884
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.020
over the last hundred years in their economy,

885
00:50:12.020 --> 00:50:14.240
the more the other nations of the world rejoiced

886
00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:18.240
because missions were driven by this economic engine.

887
00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:20.520
Prayer was driven, technology was driven,

888
00:50:20.520 --> 00:50:21.920
innovation was driven.

889
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.900
I mean, Sam, you've done amazing things

890
00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:25.760
in international prayer networks online

891
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.360
that could not happen without an economic engine behind it

892
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.240
that's driving this technology being created

893
00:50:31.240 --> 00:50:32.840
that connects us to the nations.

894
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.100
So on the micro and the macro level,

895
00:50:36.100 --> 00:50:38.440
economic development spurs missions.

896
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.020
It just does.

897
00:50:40.020 --> 00:50:42.160
And what happens if we get it wrong?

898
00:50:42.160 --> 00:50:45.080
Exactly what you, it's sort of the antithesis

899
00:50:45.080 --> 00:50:46.560
of what I just described.

900
00:50:46.560 --> 00:50:49.480
If we get it wrong, economic souring

901
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.000
and centralized authority and over-regulation

902
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.000
leads people to have to worry about

903
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.240
just getting by in their daily lives

904
00:50:57.240 --> 00:50:59.040
and not able to press in as much

905
00:50:59.040 --> 00:51:01.360
for advancing the betterment of their communities.

906
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:04.600
For example, North Korea is arguably,

907
00:51:04.600 --> 00:51:06.800
the country in the world with the most economic despair

908
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:08.560
for the average person.

909
00:51:08.560 --> 00:51:10.600
And all that's happened through centralized authority

910
00:51:10.600 --> 00:51:13.560
that sucked up all the money into a corrupt system.

911
00:51:13.560 --> 00:51:18.440
North Korea, you'll see that people can't think more

912
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.080
than just getting the next meal in their bodies.

913
00:51:21.080 --> 00:51:22.560
And when they can't think past

914
00:51:22.560 --> 00:51:24.000
just getting the next meal in their bodies,

915
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.320
they have no vision for growth or expansion.

916
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:28.440
They're living in lack

917
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.240
because you've had a centralized system cut them off

918
00:51:31.240 --> 00:51:33.760
from any ability to prosper or have abundance.

919
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.520
And so if we mess this up,

920
00:51:35.520 --> 00:51:37.160
if we mess up economic development,

921
00:51:37.160 --> 00:51:38.440
if we mess up the free market

922
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.600
and the pursuit of liberty in the economy,

923
00:51:40.600 --> 00:51:43.960
we end up in a system where people are so worried

924
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.360
about even just getting the next meal in their body

925
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:47.840
that the last thing on their mind

926
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.280
is how can I disciple the nations?

927
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.540
And so that's kind of how I'd answer that.

928
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:54.960
Yeah, massive.

929
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:59.520
And I mean, we just had Marina on earlier today sharing,

930
00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:03.760
she grew up in Tajikistan where they messed it up.

931
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:05.600
The Soviet Union collapsed.

932
00:52:05.600 --> 00:52:08.320
Their economy went through the floor.

933
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.800
Her mom ended up in prostitution.

934
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.720
Her house became a brothel.

935
00:52:12.720 --> 00:52:14.240
Her sister was trafficked.

936
00:52:14.240 --> 00:52:15.440
Her brother was trafficked.

937
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.560
She only just managed to escape

938
00:52:17.560 --> 00:52:20.320
being trafficked through a sovereign intervention.

939
00:52:21.160 --> 00:52:24.760
I mean, that's the type of world that we start facing

940
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.440
if we stuff this up.

941
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:30.120
So this is really something that we all have to take,

942
00:52:30.120 --> 00:52:35.000
I would suggest, urgent responsibility for right now.

943
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:36.520
Would you agree that this is like,

944
00:52:36.520 --> 00:52:38.640
not just like a kind of a big,

945
00:52:38.640 --> 00:52:42.280
like kind of a hobby type roundabout,

946
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:43.920
but this is actually now more and more

947
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.800
a pressing, urgent matter that we all have to really step up

948
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.600
and take urgent responsibility for?

949
00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:51.440
Absolutely.

950
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:52.720
And you all have the power to.

951
00:52:52.720 --> 00:52:54.160
Everyone can unsubscribe.

952
00:52:54.160 --> 00:52:55.680
It takes all of us.

953
00:52:55.680 --> 00:52:57.320
We can't wait for one, again,

954
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.440
one centralized authority to do it.

955
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:01.640
It takes all of us and it's all possible,

956
00:53:01.640 --> 00:53:04.840
but it does require going the extra mile

957
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:05.680
in this day and age.

958
00:53:05.680 --> 00:53:07.200
We've been called for such a time as this.

959
00:53:07.200 --> 00:53:08.960
We're not in peace time right now.

960
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.320
And I think people need to realize that.

961
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:15.280
We're in crisis mode and we can still be joyful.

962
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.040
We can still be at peace in the midst of crisis mode,

963
00:53:18.040 --> 00:53:21.600
but crisis mode requires different actions than peace time.

964
00:53:21.600 --> 00:53:23.640
And right now it requires all of us to step up,

965
00:53:23.640 --> 00:53:26.720
unsubscribe, pursue this next chapter in our nations

966
00:53:26.720 --> 00:53:29.960
and nations around the world's grand scheme of things

967
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.320
and be people that create a legacy

968
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.320
to where we don't go down

969
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:34.880
Tajikistan or North Korea's road,

970
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:36.240
but we actually got this right

971
00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:38.560
and the nations of the world benefited because of it.

972
00:53:38.560 --> 00:53:39.400
Come on.

973
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:40.240
Good.

974
00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:41.280
So good.

975
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.440
So good.

976
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:44.560
Well, let's wrap it up there,

977
00:53:44.560 --> 00:53:48.200
but thank you, Michael, for such a fire time.

978
00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:49.840
It's just always a privilege.

979
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:54.000
I will, you know, always the joy to be on the journey.

980
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:57.240
And Benji, you brought some fire questions there.

981
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:00.480
I love what you guys are doing.

982
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.360
It's right on point with what the world needs right now.

983
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:05.800
I mean, it's so cutting edge what you guys are doing

984
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.360
when other people are just doing the old ostrich technique

985
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:10.800
of head in the sand, pretending it's not happening,

986
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.120
where you guys are forefront pioneering solutions

987
00:54:14.120 --> 00:54:16.240
that people haven't even fully considered the,

988
00:54:16.240 --> 00:54:18.080
you know, the questions to the issues.

989
00:54:18.080 --> 00:54:21.200
And you guys are like trailblazing solutions,

990
00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:22.160
which I love.

991
00:54:22.160 --> 00:54:23.000
So, so exciting.

992
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.640
And our next session, and we've got an hour's break now.

993
00:54:26.640 --> 00:54:27.880
And then our next session,

994
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.560
session 17, come on, is with Jason Cobb.

995
00:54:31.560 --> 00:54:35.280
And they have been stewarding an open heaven outpouring,

996
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.080
seeing some of the most phenomenal manifestations

997
00:54:38.080 --> 00:54:43.080
of heaven physically materializing in the earth

998
00:54:43.080 --> 00:54:46.200
through the children's homes that they have,

999
00:54:46.200 --> 00:54:49.000
children being taken to heaven for over a decade,

1000
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.960
full-blown open heaven manifestation for over a decade

1001
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.840
that's causing citywide atmospheric shift in their city,

1002
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.200
massive shift in culture and mindset.

1003
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.120
sets in their city through stewarding and open heaven and so it's just going to be wild plunging

1004
00:55:05.120 --> 00:55:11.680
into their story of what God has been doing it is a full-scale move of God over there so we're

1005
00:55:11.680 --> 00:55:17.120
going to be so blessed hearing what they have been carrying for over a decade and Michael what an

1006
00:55:17.120 --> 00:55:24.480
honor my man looking forward to trailblazing highways into freedom for people together.

1007
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.960
Amen it's an honor guys thank you so much cool thanks Michael

1008
00:55:33.600 --> 00:55:36.800
maybe I'm the one that has to turn it off so see you later