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Hey, how are you doing, hope you're doing great, it's good to, really good to be here

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with you guys, really good to see you, I'm very, very excited about our session today.

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We are going to explore an amazing, amazing topic which is called Separation is an Illusion.

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Hey, good to see you guys there, it's great to have you, great to have you on board, great

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to, great to be here with you guys, I am really loving this journey, really loving connecting

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with people, Christine, welcome, some people I can see that you're watching, your name

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didn't pop up though, but welcome all of you guys, just shout out if you're there, just

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say hello, Claire, well done, welcome, Michelle, good afternoon to you, good morning to Claire

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who got up at 4am in South Africa to catch the live, that's brilliant, great to see all

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of you guys and awesome to connect with you as well if you're watching this in the delayed

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coverage later on, amazing to connect with you guys, Robert, my man, great to have you

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here, Christine, kia ora, kia ora, Tracy, good to have you guys, hey, just give a wave

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there, if you can just click on your phone if you're there, if you're watching and it'll

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pop up, I can see that you're there, I can say hello, even if you're watching this in

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the delayed, just wave or say hello and I'll know that you're there, but lots of love to

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you guys, excited about today, Ruby, great to have you with us too, yeah, really good,

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Anna, lovely to have Anna with us, hope you guys had a great weekend, I had a really good

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weekend, hi Tracy, hi Robert, hi Ruby, yeah, I had a really, really good weekend, I've

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had a good morning this morning, some of you might have seen, I had a good battle with

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my kids and a little bit of fun, Alicia, kia ora, kia ora, welcome Alicia, if you're from

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overseas, kia ora is how we say hello in Aotearoa, it's the Maori word for hello, but so good

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to have you all on board and we are going to get into some juicy content today around

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this massive topic, separation is an illusion, before we do that, I want to engage with you,

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I want to ask you a question, I love your responses, Margaret, great to have you there,

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Margaret is having an issue, let me just check, I'll check one thing, but I don't think it's

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my phone, that's not on my end, whatever that issue is, my side is looking primo, Timothy

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Mora, great to have you live, my man, Timothy, Timothy Mora from Nelson, great to have you

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here, Margaret, great stuff, hey, so I've got a question for you, I want to ask you

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this question, I'd love you just to type your answers as we get in, but here's what I'd

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like you just to answer in three words, you know, maybe three words or kind of close to

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three words, the question is, what does winning look like? In the Christian life, what does

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winning look like? Jesus said, judge a tree by its fruit, you know, so he's talking about

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teaching, he says, judge this teaching by the fruit that it produces in your life, so

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I've got a question for you is, what does winning look like? In three words or roughly

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around three words, what fruit should we expect to see on the tree? If we've really grasped

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the gospel, if we've really grasped the message that Jesus came to share with us, what should

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it look like? Okay, so Clare says total surrender, yep, what types of things should it manifest

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in our life as well? I'm thinking John 15, 11 pops up for me, Jesus said, I have told

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you these things so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be perfect, what other

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types of fruit, what types of things, just type them in the comments there, yeah, love,

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absolutely, some serious boom is about to happen, yes, Tim, you are totally right, we're

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going to get some boom, love for sure, wow, that is like, that is the core thing of core

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things is love should manifest, overcoming attacks from the enemy, absolutely, Jesus

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demonstrated that sonship is victorious, happiness overflowing, Alicia says, yes, absolutely,

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Stephanie, great to have Stephanie coming in, Jane, great to see you, peace, Timothy

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Moore, yeah, revealing who God is, we should become, we should become a perfect reflection

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of who He is when we understand who we are, boom, yeah, so we should reveal who God is

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as a default setting, joy, yes, absolutely, Jane, any other things of what the fruit of

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what life should look like, what Jesus said, I've come that they might have life and have

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it in abundance, connection with the Trinity, says Clare, patience, yes, so what?

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What does the abundant life look like?

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We want to ask ourselves and have a really good concept and understanding of what should

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the fruit be on the tree?

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Perseverance, becoming more like Christ, yes, great words Anna.

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Peace and rest, absolutely, shalom in the Hebrew, compassion, yeah, beautiful expression

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of love, abundance and freedom, yeah, awesome Jane, yeah, this is great stuff.

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There should be a whole lot of these awesome fruits appearing, manifesting on the tree.

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Great to see you Stephanie, so that's what I want to talk about today, I want to kind

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of get into this topic of what the fruit should be because I just read a line that I wrote

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in a book that I'm writing, I wrote, religion demands perfection but prophesies failure.

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Religion demands perfection but prophesies failure and so often that's the case.

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So we want to test our, yeah, good stuff, fruit of the spirit, kindness, yeah, ruling

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and reigning, Margaret, absolutely, that's some good chicken right there.

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The, oh, like religion in my life really didn't produce all that much good fruit.

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So as we're going to explore what's kind of a controversial type topic, as we're exploring

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something that might seem crazy, Joe, welcome to have you, yeah, a reflector shield from

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worldly slaps, yeah, good stuff Alicia.

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If we're going to explore this, you know, this reformational theology, we want to ensure

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that what we're getting into, what we're studying, what I'm training you in is actually going

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to be producing and increasing the level of fruit in your life.

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If it's not increasing the level of fruit in our lives, we should really question the

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teaching that we are subscribing to.

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So I know for my life, I did a lot of questioning, so much questioning of the theology that I'd

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subscribe to because the theology that I'd subscribe to wasn't producing the fruit of

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the divine life.

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Yeah, great word there Margaret, becoming love.

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So Jesus said, I've come that they might have life and have life abundantly and that word

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life is the Greek word zoe, which refers to the divine life.

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So it's not just the average life, he doesn't, Jesus didn't come so that you and I can have

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an average life, Jesus didn't come so that you and I could have the status quo, he didn't

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come so that we could have life, but like a depressed, suppressed, oppressed life.

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He came that we could have divine life as our state of being, divine life, and not just

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like a small amount of it, the Greek word that Jesus used when he said, I've come that

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they might have life and life abundantly, that word abundantly means beyond measure.

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So absolutely limitless amounts of the divine life as our normal, as our default setting.

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We wake up tomorrow, wow, divine life explodes.

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So that doesn't look like, yeah, eternal life, Tim as well, looks like eternal life and that's

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great as well.

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You want to ask Jesus how he defines that, Clive, great to have you on board.

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Jesus defines what eternal life is in John 17 verse 3, he said, now this is eternal life

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to know God or to Gnosko, to Yadah, to have intimate experiential knowledge of the Trinity,

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to intimately participate in union and communion with God as our, as our normal.

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That's what Jesus, that's how Jesus defines eternal life.

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He defines it as knowing God, as intimate experiential participation and fellowship

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with the divine nature.

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Now that is good stuff.

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So we're going to explore this concept, separation is an illusion, we're going to explore this

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whole concept of what fruit should be on the tree.

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I'm going to pray now.

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What an honor to have you all with us.

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I just really want to say I love you.

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I love connecting with you.

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I love the videos and the testimonies that are getting, coming out.

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I'm seeing lots of cool personal messages coming through to me as well of people getting

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really rocked by what God's doing.

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Bex, great to have you on board.

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So hey, let me pray.

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Wow, Jesus, Jesus in John 10, 10, you said that you've come that we might have life and

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have it abundantly.

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Wow.

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And we want to feast on that, Jesus, if it's an abundance, there should be a feast, there

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should be an overflow.

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And Jesus, we just want you to stand with us today.

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Trinity, we want you to dance with us today as we explore this concept, as we share this

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time together.

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Trinity, I ask that you knit our hearts together in love.

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I ask that Your presence would be something that we become acutely aware of.

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I ask that You would awaken our awareness to the present reality of Your glory right here in us,

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with us, upon us, through us.

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I ask that You would awaken our awareness to our inclusion in You

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and to this life of divine union, divine inclusion in You.

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I just ask that You release a spirit of wisdom and revelation right now.

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And I ask that You just begin to release baptisms in love even right now

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to every person who hears my voice.

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I thank You for a release of the power of a baptism in Your love,

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a participation in the divine life,

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a changing and a rearranging of paradigms and wineskins and mindsets

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and theologies and structures and beliefs

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that have limited our participation in the divine nature.

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And I ask for an upgrade, Trinity, that You would release revelation

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that produces an upgrade, that releases an effortless participation in the divine life,

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an effortless participation in the divine life,

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in the divine state of being.

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So just flood us with revelation.

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Flood us with seamless union.

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Flood us with the divine life in Jesus' name.

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Amen.

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Wow.

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That's so good.

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Hey, good to have Pratheesh with us.

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Amen.

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Transform us, Papa.

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Turn us into a reflection of Your glory.

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Righto.

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So here's a story for you.

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Did you know, maybe you didn't, maybe you did,

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250,000 people a year, according to the Washington Post,

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over 250,000 people a year in the United States die from medical error.

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That's over 250,000 people a year dying from medical error.

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Go, wow, if that's a big deal.

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I think that's a big deal.

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It's actually the third largest cause of death in America.

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Whoa, never mind like JAWS and all these scary things that we hear about.

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No, the thing you should be scared about more than anything else is your doctor.

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Yep.

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And we thought, oh my gosh, we thought we could trust doctors.

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But actually, the third largest cause of death in America is medical error.

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That's over 250,000 people a year dying because the doctor had this misdiagnosis of what the issue was.

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And then they stumbled around and boom, at the end of the day,

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the doctor made such a massive mistake that they caused death to the patient.

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That is just a big deal.

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Now, this is really the kind of the concept of the topic that I want to get into,

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is misdiagnosis leads to a faulty treatment.

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Misdiagnosis leads to a faulty treatment.

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So if we diagnose an issue poorly, or if we falsely,

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or if we get a misdiagnosis of an actual issue that we're trying to deal with,

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then once we've got a misdiagnosis, we'll come up with a faulty treatment.

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And guess what? At the end of the day, that faulty treatment, it won't work.

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And if you're in a doctor's context, that faulty treatment could actually lead to death.

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And that's one of the reasons why over 250,000 people a year, according to the Washington Post,

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die in the States and make medical error the third largest killer of people in the United States.

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That is crazy.

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But I mean, it's people that we think we could trust.

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You think you could trust your doctor.

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You think, well, I mean, these guys study.

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They study for a long time.

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They should have it right.

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But actually, there's some critical, terrible issues in the infrastructure of that whole system,

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which is producing the fruit of making doctors the third largest cause of death in America.

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So it's a little bit like that in the church world as well.

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A little bit like that in terms of our religious context as well.

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Because for over 1,500 years, in the mainstream theology of the church,

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there has been a major, major misdiagnosis leading to a false treatment,

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which is actually causing a terrible amount of death, destruction, and chaos in the church.

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And ultimately, it's causing this reality where there's all these people in the church.

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They're subscribing to the theology.

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They're subscribing to the training.

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They're doing all this hard work.

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But at the end of the day,

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actually getting the fruit that Jesus promised. So Jesus promised that they

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would have, we would have life and have life abundantly. But you know what? I know

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that there's pastors on antidepressants. What? Pastors on antidepressants? Yep,

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pastors on antidepressants struggling to cope with life, struggling with life

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scenarios, struggling with all this fruit that comes from orphan theology. I call

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it orphanology. And the church is full of orphanology. And that is why people aren't

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getting free. People live for years and years and years bound, still oppressed,

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still depressed, still suppressed, still regressed. It's like, it's chaos in the

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church. So why is there so much chaos in the church? Why is chaos in the church

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like mainstream? Why is it that there's so many people struggling in church,

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depressed and dealing with condemnation and they're not feasting on the divine

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life? The gospel, when we grasp the heart of the gospel, it produces an abundance,

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a feast, it produces the divine life beyond measure. And I'll tell you what,

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you won't need antidepressants anymore when the divine life fully possesses you.

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It'll produce all the joyful, blissful chemicals that you need. Now I've got

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people on our training who are on antidepressants, right? They've had a life

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of chaos and religion and they're on antidepressants at the moment. So I would

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not say just ditch your medication and run off. People ditch medication and run

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off and it is, it's a bad idea. So if you're on medication, stay on your

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medication, work out a plan with your doctor as things permit. But don't just

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rush into that. But what I'm saying is, the divine life is on offer. That's the

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whole, that's the whole purpose of Jesus' message is to reproduce the divine life

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that he experiences in his life to reproduce that in your life. When

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Jesus said in John 8 32, the truth will set you free. This is what the truth is

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supposed to do. It's supposed to set you free. Boom. So let's have a

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shout out from some people right now on three things that you like, you

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experience these three, three dynamics of orphanology. You know, like you've

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subscribed to the training, you've been in church but you've still got these

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three emotional struggles or personal struggles. You're like, oh man, I'm

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struggling with this sin or struggling with this emotion or struggling with

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this feeling. Why don't you chuck that out there? Because there's some, you know, a

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lot of us are going through stuff. I went through condemnation for years. So maybe

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your top three things or three things that you thought, oh man, I really

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struggled with this. Or just whack some of those down in the comments of things

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that you really struggled with. I want to, you know, engage with some of those

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topics and get into some of these things today. So for myself, it would be

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condemnation. It would be struggling to get connected to God. And it would be

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performance-based acceptance. Yeah, loneliness. Yeah, thanks Stephanie. That's

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a massive one. That's huge. Christine, thanks for your comments. And

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Hayden, thanks for your comments there. Hayden just shared that he's on

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antidepressants. Well, yeah, there you go. Addiction, fear, rejection. Those are

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massive in church. Those are not just struggles outside of church. Those are

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struggles in church. So Joe says, yeah, we've got depression coming up,

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low self-worth, frustrations, worry, lack of control.

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Yeah, people-pleasing, anxiety, rejection. Yeah, these massive issues that are

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coming up. And they're rampant in church life. It's not like just one thing here

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or there. Nearly every single person is struggling in church. Nearly every

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single person. If you get vulnerable enough, yeah, there you go. Stephanie says

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fear, rejection. But if people get vulnerable enough, oh my gosh, yeah, not

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fitting in, not connecting. Yeah, that disconnection, that's massive. Yeah,

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these are huge, huge topics. And guess what? That's what happens when our gospel

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gets messed up. When our gospel gets messed up, it produces all these negative

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fruits on the tree. When our understanding of the gospel gets messed

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up, that's what life looks like for us. But when we start to understand the

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gospel, I tell you what, Jesus promised freedom. Yeah, mental health

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is now, wow, that's an interesting fact. Claire just said mental health is now the

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leading cause of death in the Western world. Joe was saying she's had

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rejection, not fitting in, disconnection. Christine says frustration. Yeah, so

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these are huge, huge issues for everyone on a constant basis in the life of

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church. So what I want to look at today is this concept of separation is an

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illusion. Now separation is an illusion and it comes from, separation in our

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Christian world, this disconnection, it comes from

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It's the fruit of a misdiagnosis. There's a misdiagnosis in church that's producing a faulty treatment.

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Hey Kiri, good to have you on board. Ruby's just saying she's a struggle with all of the above.

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And a lot of us have struggled with so many things.

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So here's the deal.

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Separation and sin have been diagnosed as the core issues for why Jesus came and why he was on the cross.

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Now I am going to make this statement today. I'm going to make a little bit of a case for this concept that

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Jesus on the cross was not about dealing with sin or separation.

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Jesus wasn't dealing with sin or separation as the root cause of what he was dealing with.

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Yes, when Jesus came he dealt with sin and separation.

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But sin and separation are not the root cause.

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Sin and separation are big deals. They're massive struggles. They're huge issues for us.

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But they are not the root cause.

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Now if we're going to diagnose something accurately, we have to be able to discern between what is a symptom and what is a root cause.

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What's producing the issue versus what's the fruit of the issue.

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So sin and separation are big deals.

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They are life-destroying, terrible things.

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And we don't want them in our worlds.

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But they are not the root of our issue. They are the fruit of our issue.

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There's a deeper cause that goes below.

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There's actually a root cause that goes deeper than sin and separation that produces sin and separation in our lives.

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If we think that sin and separation are the root cause and we go around trying to deal with sin and separation all the time,

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we end up really sin conscious rather than being son conscious.

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Sin gets stuck in our mindsets and this is religion.

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This is normal church. This is my past.

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This is the life that I lived for decades.

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I lived in this world of sin and separation are the root cause.

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It's like if you imagine a tree and there's all this fruit on the tree and making sin and separation the root of the problem

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is like going to the tree and picking the fruit, picking the fruit, picking the fruit and expecting the tree to die.

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It just doesn't work like that.

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You're going to guarantee to get another great harvest next season.

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I thought sin and separation were the root cause.

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So I treated them as the root cause in my life, just like I've been told to and trained to my whole life in religion.

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So I try and get rid of sin and separation.

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And guess what? I'd come back and boom, there's more sin and separation on the tree.

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Picking the fruit won't get rid of it.

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So we've got to figure out, okay, what's the deeper root cause that's actually producing the fruit on the tree?

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The deeper root cause that produces the fruit on the tree is what Jesus was actually coming to deal with.

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Now the deeper root cause on the tree is two things.

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It's a misunderstanding of who the Father is.

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A misperception of the nature of our Father in heaven.

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A misunderstanding of our nature in heaven, boom.

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And when we have a misperception of who the Father is, it leads to an identity crisis.

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It leads to an orphan mindset, an orphan state of being, of disconnection and frustration

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and all those things we've talked about already in the journey, the beautiful journey from the orphan illusion to the bliss of sonship.

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All of those things are what manifest in our lives as a result of believing that sin and separation are the root cause.

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So the real issue is a false understanding of who the Father is

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and that messes with our blueprint of our divine design because we're made in His image.

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So a root cause of false understanding of who the Father is and a false understanding of who we are.

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Hey guys, great to have some other people clicking in.

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Wilson and Jordan and others just jumped on board as well.

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Welcome to you all, great to have you.

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So the root cause that produces the fruit of separation and sin is a false understanding of who the Father is

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and a misdiagnosis of our own identity.

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And when we have this, so think of it like this.

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Our issues always go like this.

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Father issues, identity issues, sin issues.

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Father issues, identity issues, sin issues.

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So if you want to get to the root cause and deal with all the roots that are producing this sin and separation

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and negative emotions, negative beliefs, negative behaviors, addictions, terrible feelings oppressing us in life.

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Stella, welcome as well.

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If we want to deal with that, then we've got to deal with the false image of the Father that we have.

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The false identity beliefs that we have and that's going to deal with the root cause.

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So, here we go.

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I'm going to make a case right now, I'm going to transition a little bit, I'm going to make

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a case right now for why sin and separation are not our root issues.

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I'm going to make a statement, and then I'm going to back it up with some Bible, but I

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just want you to hear the statement first.

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The statement is that faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is not what deals

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with separation.

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Well, that sounds like a big deal.

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People did not need faith, let me expound it, clarify it a little bit for you.

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People did not require faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to experience

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connection and intimacy with God.

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So I'm going to call three biblical witnesses to show to you biblically how sin and separation

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were not the root causes, and the cross was not dealing with separation.

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So let me make my statement again.

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People did not require faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to experience

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intimacy with God.

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Boom.

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Now that might sound like a big statement, but I'm leading you somewhere, I'm leading

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you to stop trying to deal with the fruit as an issue, and leading you to discover the

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real root cause of the issue.

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And when we deal with the root cause, boom, we put it to death, and we get to shift out

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of a life of dealing with all the sin and separation into a life where we actually participate

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in the divine life as a feast.

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Rosa, good to see you.

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Caroline, good to see you.

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Great to have you guys on board.

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Okay, here's my three biblical witnesses that I'm going to call.

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The first one is the entire Old Testament from the fall until John the Baptist.

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That's the first witness I'm going to call from the Bible, and then the second witness

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that I'm going to call is Jesus himself and the life of Jesus, and then the third witness

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that I'm going to call from the Bible to endorse this concept is Paul and how Paul preached

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the gospel.

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So separation actually is the easiest religious myth to dispel.

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I couldn't actually have an easier religious or theological debate to win.

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You couldn't present me with an easier option to win than this one.

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So all I have to do to prove that humanity, that people could have fellowship and connection

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and intimacy with God without having faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ,

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all I have to do to prove that, that people did not have to have faith in the death and

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resurrection of Jesus Christ to have intimacy with God, is demonstrate that only one person

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after the fall and before the cross had intimacy with God.

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So hey guys, now this is going to be the easiest challenge for me theologically ever to win

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So all I have to do to prove that people didn't need faith in the death and resurrection of

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Jesus Christ to experience intimacy with God or connection or union with God, is to

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prove that one person had intimacy with God after the fall and before the cross.

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Okay, you guys still with me?

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Do you think that I can do this?

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Do you think that I'll be able to prove to you biblically?

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Just let's give a thumbs up or a question mark or I doubt it or maybe or I'm not sure.

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Just let's have some type of feedback if you think that I can actually accomplish this

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with you.

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A few people think they might be able to accomplish this, might be able to lay out a clear biblical

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foundation for how, for this point.

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Good stuff guys, good stuff.

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Okay, so the first thing is, if humanity was, if sin caused God to separate and disconnect

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from humanity and if sin was such an offense to God that he could, hey thanks for the comments

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guys, appreciate that, good feedback coming.

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I'm feeling encouraged, I think I can do this, I'm looking forward to it.

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So let me rewind a little bit and get us all on the same page so that we can go forward

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I'll rewind a little bit, we'll back up the truck and we'll go on this journey together.

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For me, when I was at church, the gospel was always presented to me that after the fall,

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boom, sin.

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And that sin was a massive, massive issue.

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have any association with sin or with sinful humanity.

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The fall, that's all the sin, all the sin is going on, and oh no, now because humanity

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has sinned, God's like, I can't be with sinful humanity, I have to disconnect from sinful

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I've got to disconnect from sinful humanity because I'm just too holy for that.

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The point that I'm going to prove to you now is that separation is an illusion.

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Sin never actually causes God to disconnect from us.

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Sin doesn't cause God to disconnect from humanity.

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sin at the fall, God separated himself from humanity, and when Jesus came at the cross,

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finally, after thousands of years, the cross restored humanity's ability to have a relationship

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So the image that was always used was this, hey Joseph, good to have you there, great

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to have people jumping on from all over the place.

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The image that I was presented with was a big chasm.

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to get connected.

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So Jesus came at the cross, and at the cross, boom.

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the chasm of sin and God, and then because of the cross, humanity can once again have

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intimacy and connection with God.

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Yay, the cross saved the day.

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The cross satisfied the wrath of God.

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Now God is appeased, he's not wrathful anymore, he's okay, he's somehow appeased, almost like

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the cross was a giant Prozac in a way, like God had this massive issue, almost like the

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fall caused God to fall, almost like the fall caused...

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Some great comments coming out there by the way as well, guys.

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I'm loving this, I'm loving the engagement.

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I think we're going to get lots of Q&A type stuff coming out of this session for sure.

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So hold fast with me, we're going to go deep into this, and we will actually create space

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for those questions and answers.

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So write them down, don't write them in the comments now, I won't get to answer them now,

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but you can just chuck them out there if you want, just to create discussion among one

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another.

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But let's explore this.

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So what I'm saying to you, the point of what I'm saying to you is that sin never created

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the separation between God and humanity, and this concept that sin produced separation

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is an illusion.

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Sin did not produce separation.

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So here's my first king hit against that lie that sin produced separation, sin caused God

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to initiate disconnection.

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It was almost like people have put across this concept that the fall somehow wrecked

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the trinity, that somehow after the fall the trinity stopped dancing, it's like they turned

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off the fun music and the trinity was like, oh, now we're depressed.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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The sin caused humanity to fall, the sin caused humanity to stumble into darkness, didn't

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cause the trinity to stumble into darkness, didn't cause the trinity to lose their life

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and lose their joy.

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No, the trinity was still pumped out, maxed out, blissed out, ecstasy filled and love

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driven and love motivated even after the fall.

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The trinity did not fall, the love of the trinity, BOOM, is still explosive and dynamic

440
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and the trinity remained an unbroken cycle of divine love and bliss and delight even

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after the fall.

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It was humanity that ran into darkness, not the trinity.

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You know, in fact, it's always us, it's always our issues, it's always our shame, our self-hatred,

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our condemnation, our sense of, that actually drives us into isolation.

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Even in Eden, right, even in Eden, Eden was called, like the whole area was called Eden,

446
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it wasn't just the garden of Eden.

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Remember, it's not the garden of Eden, it's the garden in Eden because the whole land

448
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was called Eden, the whole land was the context of delight, the whole land was the context

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of the trinity's bliss with humanity and delight in humanity.

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And humanity left Eden, God didn't force humanity out of Eden, it was our own shame, it was

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our own guilt, it was our own condemnation, our own self-hatred that drove us into isolation

452
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and we packed up our bags and we got on our own horse and we were the ones that left.

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If Eden, we left the context of delight, the Trinity did not force us from the land of delight.

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The Trinity conceived us.

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The Trinity conceived this notion of who we were to live in delight.

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That was the desire of the Trinity always.

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So the fall didn't cause the Trinity to fall, you know.

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That's humanity's fall.

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That's humanity stepping into shame and condemnation and isolation and disconnecting.

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So here's my first biblical witness for this point that I'm making.

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It's the Bible, the Old Testament all the way from Genesis through to John the Baptist.

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00:35:36.600 --> 00:35:43.300
Remember all I have to do to disprove this notion, this theory that sin caused this massive

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disconnect between a holy God who could no longer connect with humanity until the cross

464
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:54.800
and somehow the cross pacified God and somehow the cross was the very thing that enabled

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00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.360
God to have relationship with humanity, enabled humanity to have relationship with God.

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00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:03.760
All I have to do to disprove this notion that sin produces separation is prove that

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one person after the fall, before the cross, had intimacy, had connection with God.

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Now let me think about this for a moment.

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Maybe you guys can join me in this and help me out with this if I struggle.

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So can you think of anyone in the Old Testament, did anyone in the entire Old Testament have

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intimacy or connection with God?

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Let's start with Enoch, Noah, Moses.

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Maybe you know some other people right there that you can chuck up some names of some people

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who had intimacy and connection with God after the fall that disproves this notion that sin

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caused God to disconnect from humanity.

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00:36:46.860 --> 00:36:47.860
Yeah, there we go.

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00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:54.860
Moses, David, Abraham, Enoch, Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, Daniel, the list goes on and on.

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David, Samuel.

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Oh my gosh.

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Isaiah, Deborah.

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Yeah, Isaiah, he gets sucked up into heaven.

482
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Samuel.

483
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.360
Isaiah gets sucked up into heaven for face to face.

484
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:07.860
Good stuff, guys.

485
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:10.860
You have, yeah, you have Elijah.

486
00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:12.860
Elijah, he doesn't even die.

487
00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:14.360
Enoch doesn't even die.

488
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:18.360
They just get taken into heaven to be the delight of the Father in heaven.

489
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:20.860
Yeah, Abraham, Moses, all of these ones.

490
00:37:20.860 --> 00:37:24.360
These guys, Elijah and Enoch didn't even die.

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00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.360
Oh my gosh, the cross wasn't needed for intimacy, for connection, for separation as though the

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cross was somehow to pacify a God who couldn't have a relationship with humanity anymore

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00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:36.860
as though there was this massive separation.

494
00:37:36.860 --> 00:37:38.360
The separation never existed.

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It never happened.

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It never happened right from the beginning.

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The very first guys, yeah, Job, all of these guys had extreme intimacy.

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Moses, face to face with God.

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Elijah and Enoch literally taken out of this realm to live in heaven with God forever.

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Boom, before the cross.

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00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:57.360
Oh my gosh.

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00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:03.860
Sin did not cause a massive separation from God between God and humanity after the fall.

503
00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:09.360
No, God was still outrageously in love with humanity and still dancing.

504
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:10.860
The trinity was still dancing.

505
00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:13.860
They're still connecting, still loving on humanity.

506
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:16.360
Ruth, King David, yeah, so many of these people.

507
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:17.860
And there's more.

508
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And the Old Testament has examples of some of the most extreme intimacy in the whole Bible.

509
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More so than most modern Christians have.

510
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:33.360
The Old Testament is full of these just outrageous, outrageous accounts of radical intimacy and

511
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:39.360
face to face intimacy and heavenly encounters and divine encounters that do not endorse

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00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.360
the notion of separation at all.

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Boom, we've got a whole lot of them.

514
00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:46.860
Okay, so let me call my second witness.

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My second witness is Jesus, right?

516
00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:53.860
Jesus, Jesus came to reveal the Father.

517
00:38:53.860 --> 00:38:54.860
We've looked at this one.

518
00:38:54.860 --> 00:38:56.360
Yeah, good stuff, guys.

519
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:57.360
Good stuff.

520
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.360
Jesus came to reveal the Father, right?

521
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.360
So let me just pull this up.

522
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I've got a little bit of some scripture here for you that I want to quote.

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But Jesus came to reveal the Father, not change the Father.

524
00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:17.360
So Hebrews 1 verse 3, hey, good stuff, guys.

525
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:18.360
Great quotes here.

526
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:19.360
Awesome quotes.

527
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:20.860
Deborah, Ruth, Esther.

528
00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:25.860
The list just goes on and on and on with all these people that live with extreme intimacy

529
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:26.860
with the Trinity.

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00:39:26.860 --> 00:39:28.360
So listen to this.

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Hebrews chapter 1 verse 3.

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In the NIV translation it says, the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact

533
00:39:36.860 --> 00:39:38.860
representation of His being.

534
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:45.860
In the NLT version it says, the Son radiates God's own glory and expresses the very character

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of God.

536
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:54.860
The ESV says, He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of His nature.

537
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In fact, there's not a single translation that disagrees with the concept that Jesus

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Jesus is the exact representation of the Father.

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Yep, Mary.

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Now that's some extreme intimacy with God right there, Claire.

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So what I want to do is I want to,

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I just want to say Jesus reveals the Father, okay?

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So if we have a belief about the Father

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that is not endorsed by Jesus,

545
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if it's not authenticated in the life of Jesus,

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then it's not a valid belief to hold about the Father.

547
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Jesus said, I and the Father are one.

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If you've seen me, you've seen the Father.

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00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.760
Okay, so every belief that we have about the Father

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has to be validated in the life of Christ.

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It has to be authenticated in the life of Christ.

552
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If we hold to this perspective

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or this perception of who God is,

554
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and it's not validated,

555
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it's not authenticated in the life of Christ,

556
00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:54.780
then we can go, oh, that's not a valid expression

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00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:57.160
of the nature and the character of God.

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So then we take this concept of separation, okay?

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This concept of separation,

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that this concept that sin causes God

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to separate and create disconnection.

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So then we just have to ask,

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okay, well, how did Jesus respond to sin?

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Did Jesus cringe when he saw people in sin?

565
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Did Jesus run away?

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00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:22.440
Did Jesus run up to them and beat sinners with sticks?

567
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:27.440
Did Jesus, did he express extreme wrath against sinners?

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Yes, absolutely, clear, great word.

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Jesus is the blueprint of our original divine design,

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and he's also the exact revelation of the Father.

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00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.960
So Jesus is showing right here

572
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.440
that actually the nature of God,

573
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:44.480
the divine nature of God,

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is not to disconnect from sinful humanity.

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00:41:47.040 --> 00:41:49.480
It's actually to run to us in our darkness,

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just like the Father did after the fall.

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00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.400
He came in love and gentleness and kindness and delight,

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00:41:57.600 --> 00:41:59.280
looking for Adam and Eve.

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While they were hiding in the bushes,

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00:42:01.120 --> 00:42:02.960
the Father came gently to them and was like,

581
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.280
hey, where are you?

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00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.380
He's wanting to include them back in the divine dance.

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00:42:07.380 --> 00:42:09.080
Jesus is coming just in the same way

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00:42:09.080 --> 00:42:10.840
that the Father came to Adam and Eve

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00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:12.660
in the bushes in their shame.

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00:42:12.660 --> 00:42:15.100
Jesus is coming to humanity,

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00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:18.880
and he's just embracing sinful humanity.

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And just like someone mentioned before,

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00:42:21.240 --> 00:42:26.040
he was happy to be carried in the womb of Mary.

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00:42:26.040 --> 00:42:30.120
Oh my gosh, if he had a real major issue with sin,

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00:42:30.120 --> 00:42:32.080
there's no way that he could have been

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00:42:32.080 --> 00:42:36.200
actually living in Mary as a sinful human.

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00:42:36.200 --> 00:42:37.400
Oh my gosh, no way.

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00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.440
No, so this concept that sin causes separation

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00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.280
between God and humanity is and was

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00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.300
and has always been an illusion.

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00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:48.440
Now let me get to my third biblical witness, all right?

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My third biblical witness of why this concept

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of separation because of sin is an illusion.

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Now this comes from Acts chapter 17, verses 27 to 28,

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which I have used a number of times before

602
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.960
because it's so critical in our understanding of the gospel

603
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.240
because Paul preached the gospel

604
00:43:07.240 --> 00:43:08.920
in the complete opposite way

605
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:13.160
to how mainstream Christianity preaches the gospel now.

606
00:43:13.160 --> 00:43:16.880
And that's why mainstream gospels now

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00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:18.840
mass-produce spiritual orphans,

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00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:23.180
whereas Paul was raising up spiritual sons.

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00:43:23.180 --> 00:43:27.740
So the root issue here, let's just jump into it.

610
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Let's jump into it.

611
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.740
And actually, so to contrast the gospel nowadays,

612
00:43:33.740 --> 00:43:36.240
mainstream people articulate the gospel

613
00:43:36.240 --> 00:43:37.560
and preach the gospel like this.

614
00:43:37.560 --> 00:43:39.060
Thanks, Stephanie.

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00:43:39.060 --> 00:43:41.760
They preach the gospel as a declaration

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00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.940
of inadequacy and separation,

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00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:47.380
of humanity's inadequacy and separation from God.

618
00:43:47.380 --> 00:43:48.300
That's how they started out.

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00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:51.060
You're a sinner and you're separate from God,

620
00:43:51.060 --> 00:43:53.340
but it's okay, Jesus came to fix the fact

621
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.460
that you're a sinner and that you're separated from God.

622
00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:58.500
On the cross, he sorted out all that separation

623
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so that you could have connection with God.

624
00:44:00.380 --> 00:44:03.220
Actually, that was never the issue, remember?

625
00:44:03.220 --> 00:44:06.500
A misdiagnosis leads to a faulty treatment,

626
00:44:06.500 --> 00:44:08.820
which means then we misperceive the whole purpose

627
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:10.780
of the cross, thinking that the cross

628
00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:13.700
is about trying to deal with separation

629
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.020
and it was never actually an issue.

630
00:44:16.020 --> 00:44:20.420
Oh my gosh, so we actually get a wrong perspective,

631
00:44:20.420 --> 00:44:22.960
a false understanding, a misperception

632
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.340
of what the cross is all about.

633
00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:27.900
And then we miss out on the greatest revelation

634
00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:31.180
of the love of the Father that there ever has been.

635
00:44:31.180 --> 00:44:34.780
So the mainstream modern articulation of the gospel

636
00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:37.420
is a declaration like, hey, you right there, right now,

637
00:44:37.420 --> 00:44:39.860
because you don't believe, because you haven't done,

638
00:44:39.860 --> 00:44:42.500
haven't performed the ritual that we have declared,

639
00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:45.020
that ritual that's prescribed in order to join our group,

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00:44:45.020 --> 00:44:47.380
because you haven't done that ritual, prayed that prayer,

641
00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:49.460
performed the way that we said you needed to perform,

642
00:44:49.460 --> 00:44:50.980
run through the hoops that we say

643
00:44:50.980 --> 00:44:52.740
you've gotta jump through and run through,

644
00:44:52.740 --> 00:44:54.340
because you haven't done that, you're not in,

645
00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:56.780
which means you are a sinner,

646
00:44:56.780 --> 00:44:59.580
and because you're a sinner, you're separate from God.

647
00:44:59.580 --> 00:45:00.420
Okay, so that's.

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00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.180
It's a declaration of inadequacy, it's a declaration of a false identity, it's a

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00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:10.780
declaration of separation. And so when we found people's lives on a declaration

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00:45:10.780 --> 00:45:16.580
of inadequacy and separation, it mass-produces spiritual orphans. And Paul

651
00:45:16.580 --> 00:45:29.040
never preached the gospel like this. So Paul said at 17, 27 to 28, that in fact

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00:45:29.040 --> 00:45:36.980
God is near to us all. In him we live and move and have our being. In him we live

653
00:45:36.980 --> 00:45:42.560
and move and have our being. So he's preaching to unrepentant, pre-believing,

654
00:45:42.560 --> 00:45:48.400
demon-loving, blood-sacrificing Athenians who've never heard the gospel before.

655
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:53.280
They've never heard the gospel before and this is how he preaches to them. So

656
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.460
for example that could be someone in your world who's never heard the

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00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:59.740
gospel. That could be for example in your world someone who you think is, man

658
00:45:59.740 --> 00:46:03.340
that person couldn't get any further away from God if they tried. That person

659
00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:09.540
that person is really really far from God. Oh my gosh. So what he's saying is

660
00:46:09.540 --> 00:46:14.820
no matter who you think is really really far from God, Paul says in Acts 17, verse

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00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:21.980
27, 28, in fact God is near to us all. In him we live and move and have our being.

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00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:27.820
In fact as some of us, your own poets have said, we are his own children or we

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00:46:27.820 --> 00:46:34.940
are his offspring. Wow. Oh my gosh. So there's my third point of how sin and

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00:46:34.940 --> 00:46:41.300
separation is a total illusion. So I want to get into, how about I just play devil's

665
00:46:41.300 --> 00:46:45.660
advocate for a little bit here. Now why don't you throw some opposition at that.

666
00:46:45.660 --> 00:46:50.620
What biblical opposition can you get to that? If I've said okay sin and

667
00:46:50.660 --> 00:46:55.660
separation, that's a total, separation is an illusion. So when you throw out you're

668
00:46:55.660 --> 00:46:59.660
like, but what about this scripture? This scripture says sin separates us. What

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00:46:59.660 --> 00:47:03.660
about this? Hey thanks guys for the love. Appreciate that. So why don't you, let me

670
00:47:03.660 --> 00:47:06.700
play devil's advocate for a little bit. Why don't you throw some some things

671
00:47:06.700 --> 00:47:10.380
that you're like, oh no I got trained in church. This, this and this. So that can't

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00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:13.940
be true. What are some of the foundational scriptures that you think

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00:47:13.940 --> 00:47:20.220
endorse separation? Let's have a few, shout out a few there that you

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00:47:20.220 --> 00:47:25.700
think, no, no way. God must abandon us. God must be separate from us. Let's chuck

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00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:32.700
out a few, a few thoughts there. Who's got some stuff? Who's got some verses, some

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scriptures that would indicate no, sin separates us. When Jesus said on the

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cross, why have you forsaken me? Okay that is brilliant. Yeah, let's, we'll check that

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one out. Good question. Yeah, great stuff. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

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Okay, so boom, we'll totally get into, we'll totally get into that one. Any,

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anything else? A lake on fire? Yeah, that's, yep, that's kind of post-death.

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We're just dealing with the living for now, but good question, good point Hayden.

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Okay, so we've got my God, my God, why have you forsaken me in Psalm 22 and I'll

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also chuck in another one as well. Your sins have separated you from your God.

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You might, you might know that one. Okay, so let's start, let's start with Isaiah

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59. That's where it says your sins have separated you from your God. That's a

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quote from Isaiah 59 verse 2 and we'll deal with Isaiah 59 and then we'll jump

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into Psalm 22. Isaiah 59 2 says, but your iniquities have separated you from your

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God. Your sins have hidden his face from you so that he will not hear. Okay, so

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that sounds, okay, good stuff, good stuff guys. Good, good things going up there.

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We've got our two points that we're going to explore. So Isaiah 59 verse 2, but your

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iniquities have separated you from your God. Now the rest of, like Isaiah, it goes

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on to list these horrendous sins. Hey, it goes on to list all these

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terrible sins that Israel's performed. It's really, really wicked, really, really

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evil stuff. They are really dark and then he goes on to say after all that

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dark stuff and after God saying your sins have separated you from your God, it

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lands in Isaiah 59 21 where God says this, as for me this is my covenant with

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them, says the Lord. My spirit who is on you will not depart from you and my

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words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of

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your children, on the lips of their descendants from this time on and

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forever, says the Lord. So here we go. In the very same chapter that says your sins

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have separated you from me, he goes on then and clarifies and says actually,

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yeah, good, good quotes coming out guys, actually, even though he's saying it

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looks like your sins have separated you from me or it looks like sin has

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produced death,

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and disconnection and separation. God then goes on to say to the very same

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people he says, as for me this is my covenant with you says the Lord my

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spirit who is on you will not depart from you and my words I've put in your

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mouth will not depart from your lips. So he's saying actually it might look like

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you're separated, might feel like you're separated, but the truth is you're not

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actually separated. Let me say that sin does separate in the sense that sin

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blinds our eyes to truth, sin hardens our hearts to truth, sin deafens our ears to

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truth. So if we are going to be engaged in sin our eyes will be blind, our hearts

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will harden, our ears will deafen. So sin will actually cause us

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to disconnect and us to initiate separation and us to walk away from God

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and sin will also produce in us this sense of shame and condemnation that

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leads us to isolation just like Adam and Eve. But sin does not cause God to

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disconnect from us and run away from us and no longer have intimacy with us. In

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fact Isaiah 59 then transitions into Isaiah 60 which says to these very

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same people who've been living in sin God says this, arise and shine for your

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light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. Totally. So I hope

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that's helpful on Isaiah 59, your sins have separated you from your God. Those

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very same people that he said your sins have separated you from me he actually

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says at the same time but my spirit is on you and will not depart from you. So

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we are now going to jump into Psalm 22 okay and the statement that

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Jesus says Eloi Eloi lama sabachthanei my God my God why have you forsaken me.

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So let's read from Matthew 27. Yeah totally sin definitely hardens our heart

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and blinds our eyes and deafens our ears and sin

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becomes a massive cause of separation and since that sin drives us from God

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just like sin drove Adam and Eve out of Eden it drives us out of the Father's

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delight because we're so covered in shame we're so covered in self-hatred

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and inadequacy that we get driven out from the garden. So let's let's check

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this out in Matthew 27 verse 32. Read along with me if you want. As they were

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going out they met a man from Cyrene named Simon and they forced him to carry

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the cross. They came to a place called Golgotha which means the place of the

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skull. There they offered Jesus wine to drink mixed with gall but after tasting

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it he refused to drink it. When they had crucified him they divided up his clothes

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by casting lots and sitting down they kept watch over him above his head they

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placed the written charge against him this is Jesus the King of the Jews. Two

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rebels were crucified with him one on his right and one on his left. Those who

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passed by hurled insults at him shaking their heads and saying you who are going

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to destroy the temple and build it in three days save yourself come down from

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the cross if you are the Son of God. In the same way the chief priests the

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teachers of the law and the elders mocked him he saved others they said but

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he can't save himself he's the King of Israel let him come down now from the

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cross and we will believe in him. He trusts in God let God rescue him now if

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he wants him for he said I am the Son of God. In the same way the rebels who were

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with him also heaped insults on him. From noon until three in the afternoon

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darkness came over the land about three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a

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loud voice Eli Eli lamasa baktane or my God my God why have you forsaken me

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dun dun dun good good comments coming out there guys my God my God why have

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you forsaken me and if you look at the Gospel of John it goes on to say and the

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last thing Jesus says is it is finished. Okay so what I want us to do now is I

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want us just to explore this concept a little bit more and and understand how

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Jesus is not actually talking about separation. Remember we looked at this

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before in Jesus Reveals the Father. The Father is the hand and Jesus is the

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glove over the top of the hand. Jesus said if you've seen me you've seen the

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Father. Jesus prophesied about the cross he said others are going to abandon me

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but the Father is not going to abandon me. Okay so let's get ready. So Jesus

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while he's on the cross and he says my God my God why have you forsaken me and

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at the end he says it is finished. That line Eli Eli lamasa baktane is

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the very first line in Psalm 22. Now Psalm 22 is the very it is the

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Messianic text in the whole Bible. There's no other section of scripture that captures the

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Crucifixion more significantly more profoundly more powerfully than Psalm 22 and it was considered a messianic

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Scripture. Hey guys great to have people jumping on board as well

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It was considered a messianic scripture. So

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So that meant it was one of the most read Psalms. It was one of the most sung Psalms

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So basically everyone who was there, especially all the all the religious

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Aristocracy who was surrounding Jesus at the cross. They all knew Psalm 22 off by heart

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It was one of the most think of it as like one of the most famous songs of the day a song that you sing

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All the time a song that's like a melody and it's in their heads

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They know it

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So if you if you were to sing the first line of a song now in church people instantly go. Oh, yeah

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I know that one Jesus

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lover of my soul

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And people might think oh, yeah

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Jesus I will never let you go

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Okay, you've taken me from the miry clay

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Okay, so people kind of can get that association

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Well think of it like that Jesus is quoting one of the most famous songs of the day in Psalm 22 verse 1

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Eloy, Eloy, Lamas abachthani. My God my God. Why have you forsaken me?

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Now hit the point of what he's trying to articulate is not my God my God. Why have you forsaken me?

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He's trying to articulate Psalm 22 everyone. I want you to get Psalm 22 in your head

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He's directing all of their attention on to Psalm 22. So every person that's there they know this son

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They know this line. So now all of a sudden their attention they're standing at the cross. They're looking at Jesus hanging on the cross

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There's guys there's guys, you know rolling dice for Jesus clothing. There's all these things happening around the cross

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They're standing in a circle around it. And now all of a sudden they're all starting to think about Psalm 22

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Okay, so we're gonna get jump into that and think about what Psalm 22 what it says, but at the same time

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Psalm 22 Eloy, Eloy, Lamas abachthani. It captures this feeling of

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Separation so Jesus to the degree that he could experience

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Separation to the degree that we could feel disconnected and we could feel far from God

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Jesus embraced the fullness of that to the degree that you can feel like I feel so separate from God

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I believe that Jesus fully experienced that on the cross in the sense of the feeling but Jesus also does something

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Amazing, which he's actually teaching us and training us how to deal with your feelings of separation how to deal with your feelings of disconnection

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How to deal with your feelings of abandonment. I feel so alone. I feel so disconnected. I feel so far from God

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I feel like ah and we have all these raging feelings

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But Jesus actually trains us simultaneously how to deal with your sense of separation and disconnection

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So we're gonna jump into Psalm 22. I think you're gonna love this. It is so powerful

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so

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It starts out like this Jesus feeling the sense of separation. Remember

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Jesus isn't alone in this the father is the hand inside the glove

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One Corinthians chapter 5 it says but God was in

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Christ as though the Trinity was dancing together on the cross

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Jesus said I and the father are one so the father is actually with him on the cross

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The Trinity didn't separate after the fall and the Trinity didn't separate at the cross

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Everything they do they do together. Jesus said I and the father are one

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Everything you see I said, I don't I only do what I see the father doing if you've seen me

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You've seen the father so we've got to understand that it's not Jesus

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They're alone trying to pacify a wrathful God on the cross receiving the father's punishment

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No, the Trinity are dancing together on the cross to produce the greatest revelation of the father in world history

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So let's go jump in there get ourselves into Psalm 22. It starts like this my God my God

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Why have you forsaken me?

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Why are you so far from saving me so far from my cries of anguish now?

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We can relate to that sense of disconnection that sense of distance between God

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And but then it goes on Jesus is teaching us how to deal with our feelings my God

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I cry out by day, but you do not answer by night, but I find no rest. These feelings are serious big

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Feelings it's massive yet. You are enthroned as the Holy One

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You are the one

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Israel praises

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in you our

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Ancestors put their trust they trusted and you deliver them to you

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They cried out and were saved and you they trusted and were not put to shame

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So this is massive right here. You're feeling separated. You're feeling distant. You're feeling disconnection and you're feeling abandonment. You're feeling lonely

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Well, what's the key Jesus is giving us the key?

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To overcome all that right now. He's giving us a key of sonship. It's actually trust

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You just got to trust you got to hold fast in that and you've got to embrace the truth

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Then you're going to tell your feelings that truth because when you feel separated if you if you let those feelings control you use get

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Darker and darker and darker you'll go deeper and deeper into condemnation. You'll go deeper into shame deeper into isolation deeper into disconnection

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But he's saying trust is the key actually telling your feelings the truth

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Tell your feelings the truth tell your feelings that true you got to tell your feelings the truth

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That's what trust looks like

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So when you tell your feelings the truth

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You actually start to overcome your feelings you start to live above your feelings you start to rule and reign over your feelings through trust

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So it carries on yet

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You are enthroned as the Holy One

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You are the one Israel praises and your ancestors put their trust and they trusted in you and you delivered them to you

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They cried out and was saved and you they trusted and were not put to shame

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So that the tempo is starting to change

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slightly

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Changing it up a little bit

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But you brought me out of oh, sorry

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Then he says but I am a worm and not a man

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Scorned by everyone despised by the people all who see me mock me. They hurl insults shaking their heads

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He trusts in the Lord

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They say let the Lord rescue him let him deliver him since he delights in him

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And if you don't remember that hey good word, by the way, Alicia

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They've got to declare that tell yourself the truth speak it up

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And if you remember that is actually a direct quote from what they were saying

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Around the cross what the religious Pharisees and Sadducees and aristocracy they were all saying

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Oh, he trusts in the Lord that the Lord deliver him

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He trusts in the Lord that the Lord deliver him and so this is actually now a direct quote

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So when they when Jesus has brought their attention on to Psalm 22 as their attention shifts to Psalm 22

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They're seeing Psalm 2 completely playing out right in front of their eyes

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Even to the point where Psalm 22 gives a direct exact word-for-word

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Quote of what one of these leaders has just said around the cross

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It it's like oh my gosh, you couldn't get more pinpoint accurate prophetic stuff than this

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Yet you brought me out of the womb you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast from birth

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I was cast on you from my mother's womb. You have been my God

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Do not be far from me for trouble is near and there is no one to help

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So he's still trusting in him and he says many bulls surround me strong bulls of bastion

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Encircle me and he's got that Jesus isn't circled by all these bullies by all these people who bring oppression

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Roaring lions that tear their prey open their mouths wide against me

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I am poured out like water. My heart has turned to wax. It is melted within me

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My mouth is dried up like a potsuit and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth

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You lay me in the dust of death. So Psalm 22 is totally capturing exactly where they're at

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It carries on dogs surround me again or dogs encircle me a pack of villains

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Encircles me they pierce my hands and my feet. Oh my gosh

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Could you get more specific more precise than that? They pierce my hands and my feet

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People stare and gloat over me. So he's naked there and they're like, well, they're staring they're gloating

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They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garments. Oh my gosh

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This couldn't be any more specific

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This is about Jesus on the cross and he's getting them to bring their attention on to the fact that he's not saying my god

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My god, why be forsaken me?

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He's directing their attention to the greatest

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Messianic Psalm the made it greatest messianic scripture in the whole Bible so that they will know that he is the Son of God so that

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They will know that everything he said about the father is true that they will know that he is the greatest

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Revelation of the father and this moment this point in history right now is the greatest revelation of the father in world history

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Huh Wow, so

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But you Lord do not be far from me

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You are my strength come quickly to help me deliver me from the sword my precious life from the power of the dogs

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Rescue me from the mouth of lions save me from the horns of the wild oxen

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You can see the tempo has changed here. Jesus starts with he's he's overcome by all the feelings just like we are

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But then he steps into trust. He starts declaring the truth

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He starts declaring the Word of God and the tempo is changing. It's changing. It's changing

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And so I will declare your name to my people in this assembly

885
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I will praise him you who fear the Lord praise him all you descendants of Jacob honor him revere him all you descendants of

886
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Israel yes, and Psalm 22 is the absolute kicker. This is massive

887
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It just blows separation out of the park. This is what Jesus is saying from the cross to all

888
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humanity for all time. Verse 24, He has not despised or scorned the

889
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suffering of the afflicted one. He has not hidden His face from Him but has

890
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listened to His cry for help. He didn't despise the suffering. He didn't abandon

891
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the Son on the cross. The Trinity were one on the cross. They were dancing on

892
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the cross. They were dancing on the cross. The Father was in Christ

893
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reconciling the cosmos to Himself. Okay, from you comes the theme of my praise in

894
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the great assembly. Before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows. The poor

895
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will eat and be satisfied. Thanks guys. Awesome comments. Love the feedback. Love

896
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the bouncing and interaction that's going on. Keep putting those posts up.

897
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They're amazing. All the ends of the earth will remember. Sorry, from you

898
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:54.240
comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly. Before those who fear you

899
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:58.560
I will fulfill my vows. The poor will eat and be satisfied. Those who seek the Lord

900
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I will praise Him. May your hearts live forever. And now it gets like even more

901
01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:07.880
excited. Now it gets even more glorious. Now it gets even more victorious. All the

902
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ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. He's prophesying global

903
01:06:11.720 --> 01:06:15.680
revival now. He's off the charts. This is the statement that Jesus is making on

904
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the cross. This is what He wants everyone to hear. Everyone to see. Everyone to know

905
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from the cross. He wants us to hear this revelation. This is what the cross is

906
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declaring. All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. And

907
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all the families of the nations will bow down before Him. Wow. For dominion

908
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belongs to the Lord and He rules over the nations. Come on. This is not the

909
01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:43.520
sound of someone who's beat down. This is victorious. This is infused with dominion.

910
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This is the sound of sonship. This is the sound of victory. This is the sound of

911
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heaven. For dominion belongs to the Lord and He rules over the nations. All the

912
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rich of the earth will feast and worship. All those who go down to the

913
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dust will kneel before Him. Those who cannot keep themselves alive. Posterity

914
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will serve Him. Future generations will be told about the Lord. They will

915
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proclaim His righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn, He has done it. Or

916
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some translations say it is finished. So on the cross you have Jesus

917
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He declares, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? The first line of Psalm 22

918
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and in the Gospel of John he says, it is finished, which is the last line of Psalm

919
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22. And everything in between those two declarations articulates perfectly

920
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exactly what's happening at the cross. And yeah, that's a good question, Alicia.

921
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Some good questions. So that is just massive. I hope that you have enjoyed

922
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that and I'm hoping this is even raising some more questions, some more thoughts,

923
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some more dialogue. How about while you're there with me now, just before we

924
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wrap up, how about you chuck down in the comments, how about you chuck down a

925
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couple of questions. What type of questions are coming up from people? I'd

926
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love your questions as I'm getting into this concept that separation is an

927
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illusion. I'd love to hear your comments on that. And while as you're

928
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chucking those up, just think about this. Paul's declaration of the Gospel to us

929
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is not, God is not far from anyone. In fact, in Him we live and move and have

930
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our being. And so that's the truth for you right now. You're not separate. You're

931
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never distant. The Father never abandons you. He never separates you.

932
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Your sin hasn't caused Him to turn His face from you. It hasn't caused Him to

933
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run away from you. You are as one, as one can be. You are as in, as in can be.

934
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You are as loved, as love can be. You are as son, as a son can be. So what we can

935
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learn from this one real good takeaway is the power of trust. That when you feel

936
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separated, when you feel disconnected, when you feel isolated, we have got to

937
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tell our feelings the truth. We are not, you say, I am in Him. In Him I live and

938
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move and have my being. I'm as one, as one can be. I'm as in, as in can be. I'm as son,

939
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as a son can be. I'm as loved, as love can be. So, boom. I hope that is valuable.

940
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Let's have some questions. Oh, biggest question is the church has wasted

941
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decades being a bad doctor. Well, actually decades is the wrong word. It's centuries.

942
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As I've studied theology throughout church history, this is like, you've got

943
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1,500 years at least of misdiagnosis and faulty treatments and the result is like

944
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a global orphanage. The result is a massive outpouring of orphanology and a

945
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viral outbreak of orphans. The mass production of spiritual orphans and

946
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that's why you haven't seen a massive outbreak of sonship. Because of these

947
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misdiagnosis and faulty treatments. Good stuff guys. Hey, great comments. How about

948
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some questions? If you've got any questions...

949
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questions going. Even if you're watching this in like delayed coverage, why don't

950
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you put down some of the questions that are being stirred up in you, some of the

951
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thoughts you've been having, some of the processing that's going through, and I've

952
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got a... how do we get our stupid feelings out of the way so we can start

953
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truly living? Great question Alicia! Great question and feel free to start having

954
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discussion, answering some of these questions as well. What do you think is

955
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the solution? How do we start telling our feelings the truth? That's a great

956
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that's a great question Alicia. Now I've got a I've got a handout here, okay? Now

957
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this is not just this is not just any old regular handout, this is that behind

958
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the veil stuff right here. This right here is behind the veil in the sense

959
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that this is some of the text, some of the draft from the next book, my next book

960
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Back to Eden the Bliss of Sonship. I don't really haven't actually till this

961
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day I haven't actually made this public. I haven't given this out to anyone. It's

962
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still kind of in it's still behind the veil in a sense, but this section here

963
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this is a chapter on misdiagnosis and faulty treatment which is really really

964
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powerful. Tons of scriptures, lots of really really good content in here and

965
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I'm willing to... oh yeah here's a good question. How do we change this in our

966
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churches? Oh great question Claire. Really really good question. Let's have

967
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discussion around some of those things. Let's get deeper into it. So but this I'm

968
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willing to give away this kind of behind the veil chapter in my next book Back to

969
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Eden the Bliss of Sonship, but this is kind of like for me this is pretty

970
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vulnerable. This is like really high value. So yeah good questions. Well Joe

971
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yeah how do we change that? Let's let's engage in some of discussion around that

972
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as we go, but I want to make this available to people, but I want to make

973
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this available for really really hungry people. So if you're really hungry, if

974
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you're really really hungry and and you want a copy of this behind the veil

975
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stuff then basically what I'd like you to do is I would like you to do a 60

976
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second live in the group. If you do a 60 second live in the group and just just

977
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share something that's of value or a little or a little testimony something

978
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you're getting some value from and in that also put your email address. I will

979
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shoot a copy of this to all the people who do a live a live testimony and also

980
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include the email address. So if you haven't done a live or even if you have

981
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.760
done live do another live and those are people that do another live and put

982
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the email address in. I will shoot a copy of this misdiagnosis and faulty

983
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treatment as a chapter part of a chapter it's draft form but it is really

984
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really juicy stuff and I'll let you have that for free but it's like I said it's

985
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vulnerable it's have people come in behind a really behind before I've

986
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launched the book. So if you want some of that then chuck a live up. Now one thing

987
01:13:04.200 --> 01:13:08.320
about the lives is that the lives do not go live on Facebook they're just for the

988
01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:12.760
group okay. Whenever you do a Facebook live in this group it's only the people

989
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.520
in the group can see it so you're not going out to the whole world of Facebook

990
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it's just going out to your group. Now the easy way to do a live is when you're

991
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:24.120
in the group and you a place where you can put a post you'll see a little video

992
01:13:24.120 --> 01:13:27.880
camera and that video little video camera it has the option to press live

993
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and what you can do is you can click that button just go just click live and

994
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then you can turn your phone around and film yourself or you can even switch

995
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your phone around so you can see see yourself there on the screen just do a

996
01:13:40.540 --> 01:13:44.260
60-second live tell us a little bit about that but hope you guys are doing

997
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great love you very much love getting the comments the connection and can't

998
01:13:48.700 --> 01:13:58.100
wait to journey with you more. I'm also going to announce this week and create

999
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the invitation for those who want to go through into the full 12 weeks School of

1000
01:14:02.900 --> 01:14:08.140
Sonship okay now that's going to be exciting and I can't wait to share with

1001
01:14:08.140 --> 01:14:12.780
you about the full School of Sonship that's coming out but lots of love have

1002
01:14:12.780 --> 01:14:17.780
a great day and we'll catch you real soon once again hit some of those lives

1003
01:14:17.780 --> 01:14:21.580
up and hit some of your questions up I'm going to read all those questions so

1004
01:14:21.580 --> 01:14:25.660
it's going to help me just make a decision I might do a live Q&A and if I

1005
01:14:25.660 --> 01:14:33.020
get a bunch of questions there then I will I will do that I will actually I

1006
01:14:33.100 --> 01:14:39.540
might consider actually just doing a bonus Q&A session so yeah sweet love you

1007
01:14:39.540 --> 01:14:42.580
heaps and we'll catch you soon boom I'll answer some of those questions we'll

1008
01:14:42.580 --> 01:14:45.180
create some of those discussions and we'll get into this journey a little bit

1009
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more love you guys see you