WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:14.000 Welcome! I am so glad you are here. You are in for a treat, and yes, I know I always say that. 2 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:21.680 That's because we just have such amazing women on this show, and today is no exception. You're 3 00:00:21.680 --> 00:00:32.400 going to meet Karen Penfold. She is a trauma recovery specialist. I can't wait for you to hear 4 00:00:32.400 --> 00:00:37.520 because I know there's so many women, myself included, who have experienced trauma. So, 5 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:47.520 I can't wait for her to share with you how she helps busy, stressed out, overwhelmed moms 6 00:00:48.480 --> 00:00:59.360 to completely transform their nervous system, to be calm, to enjoy mothering. It's just an amazing 7 00:00:59.360 --> 00:01:07.040 transformation. I can't wait for you to hear about it. Karen, welcome to the show. I've been so 8 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:12.480 excited for this show to start. You have so much to share. I've been looking forward to it as well. 9 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:18.800 Thank you. Let's dive right in. What is a trauma recovery specialist? Tell us. 10 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:28.400 Well, what I do is that I work with the biology of the trauma and not the psychology of the trauma. 11 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:35.440 So, trauma affects not just the mind, but it affects the nervous system. And so, 12 00:01:36.240 --> 00:01:44.160 as a somatic practitioner, what I do is work at the base of the body to 13 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:53.040 regulate the nervous system. And we do that with easy and accessible practices. 14 00:01:54.240 --> 00:01:57.680 Just because they're easy doesn't mean that they're not powerful. 15 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:03.920 Wow. Isn't that amazing? Sometimes easy or simple, but can make such a huge change. But 16 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:09.919 if we don't even know about it, it might be easy, but we don't even know. Normally, 17 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:15.360 if someone experiences trauma, we're told to go to a counselor, go to a psychotherapist, 18 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:20.480 go to a psychiatrist. How is what you do different from that? 19 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:28.320 So, that's working at, we call it top down. You're seeing a psychologist, seeing a therapist. You're 20 00:02:28.320 --> 00:02:35.600 dealing with the psychology and maybe verbally processing through it and learning some behavioral 21 00:02:35.600 --> 00:02:43.120 management or some coping skills. And those things are all helpful, but what we find with 22 00:02:44.320 --> 00:02:49.920 trauma and traumatic stress is that people often hit a threshold of how much that's going to help 23 00:02:49.920 --> 00:02:57.360 them because it hasn't addressed the biology of trauma. And so, what trauma affects the nervous 24 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:05.680 system? God gave us three states of the nervous system. What are the three states? The three 25 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:13.120 states are the sympathetic, the parasympathetic, and it's also a parasympathetic state, but it's 26 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:19.200 the shutdown. So, two of them are survival states. I always go like this because it's this top and 27 00:03:19.200 --> 00:03:25.200 this bottom. Those are survival states. And that middle one is the parasympathetic state. And I 28 00:03:25.200 --> 00:03:29.680 call that the state of freedom and flow. I like it already. 29 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:39.760 Okay. Under normal circumstances, we're going to flow through. We're going to be activated into 30 00:03:39.760 --> 00:03:48.720 some stress and mobility. And then when the danger, the threat is over, the stress is over, 31 00:03:48.720 --> 00:03:54.800 we're going to come down into that calm place, that parasympathetic, that's also called the rest 32 00:03:54.800 --> 00:04:04.880 digest state. Someone who has been in traumatic stress for a long period of time, your body can 33 00:04:04.880 --> 00:04:11.040 only sustain that for so long. Your nervous system can only sustain that for so long. And so then 34 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:16.320 that's when someone might drop down into shutdown, down into that shutdown place. 35 00:04:16.320 --> 00:04:17.920 And what does shutdown look like? 36 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:28.320 Shutdown is disconnected from your body, really a very numb state, fatigue, depression. I think 37 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:39.040 shutdown's depression and anxiety is that mobilized state. 38 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:47.040 Okay. Wow. So that really brings me to a powerful story that you shared with me. It's one of those 39 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:54.800 movies that keep playing in my mind. So we go back to a little bit younger Karen, young mommy Karen, 40 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.920 two little boys. And you shared an image that has 41 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:07.040 not left my mind. They're in a bathtub. Tell me about that. Well, I was going through being a 42 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:17.920 young mom and a lot of trauma in my family dynamics. My dad was mentally ill. Now I might 43 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:25.520 understand it more differently, more as his own trauma, but he was suicidal and it was just, 44 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:33.760 it was a constant state of anxiety for me. Every time that phone rang, what does that, 45 00:05:33.760 --> 00:05:42.960 what's my mom going to be saying next? What's coming up next? And I was, I think I had dropped 46 00:05:42.960 --> 00:05:53.200 into numb. And I remember sitting at the bathtub with these two little boys, angelic faces, just 47 00:05:53.200 --> 00:06:02.800 beaming light. And I, and I looked at them and I felt nothing. I felt nothing. 48 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:08.960 And that's, that's something I think in what you're doing, you probably see a lot, just this, 49 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:15.200 this disconnect. I know I went, I went through a lot of trauma in my life too. And before I 50 00:06:15.200 --> 00:06:22.160 understood, you know, a lot of what you're teaching, I, I lived from the neck up. I was 51 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:28.320 very mental, completely disconnected from my body. And so I think that, you know, the more I talk to 52 00:06:28.320 --> 00:06:35.440 women, the more, what you're talking about is so common. So you had this stress and, and, and you 53 00:06:35.440 --> 00:06:44.400 found yourself disconnected and then you end up with breast cancer. Yes. That was a good 15 years 54 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:56.320 later. Okay. Okay. And I was 46 years old and I was diagnosed with a, a severe case of breast 55 00:06:56.320 --> 00:07:06.160 cancer. And what happened was I, I went through that, the experience of it with a lot of hope. 56 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:12.160 I was in the fact that the Lord gave me the word hope when I was diagnosed, I had amazing 57 00:07:13.760 --> 00:07:22.160 support around me and, and, and I was seeing a counselor for the stress of it. And that was 58 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:28.320 helping me deal with the stress. And, and we kind of started to peel back some layers and as well 59 00:07:28.320 --> 00:07:36.640 during that time. And what happened was, was when I was done with two years of treatment, 60 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:44.000 surgeries, and I also broke my pelvis in a car accident while I was going through the same time. 61 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:52.320 Yes. And and again, I went through all of that with with an amazing amount of hope. 62 00:07:52.400 --> 00:08:01.120 Okay. But what happened was when it was over, when, you know, it's just like this time of just 63 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:06.400 celebration, oh my goodness, you're done with all of this. And I'm supposed to be, you know, 64 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:15.680 joyful and, and just be, and I was, I was grateful and all of that. But what, what happened was I 65 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:25.440 started to feel this visceral feeling of anxiety roar through my body. It, it was like people, 66 00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:29.600 oh, well, you were worried that it was coming back. Like, no, it wasn't a worry. It wasn't in 67 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:36.960 my mind. What I was feeling was, was in my body. I was, there was this anxiety just 68 00:08:38.640 --> 00:08:42.080 roaring through my body. So physical sensations, 69 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.440 like your body was just really taken over by this anxiety. 70 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:52.000 Yes. Yes. All right. And I told my oncologist about it and she recommended I see a social 71 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.000 worker and the social worker said, well, you know, it's actually very common with. 72 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.760 This is normal or whatever, right? 73 00:08:57.760 --> 00:09:00.240 She says you're experiencing post-traumatic stress. 74 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.360 Okay. Okay. 75 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:08.640 And I was like, okay. And so I, I set out to learn everything I could about healing 76 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:18.080 from post-traumatic stress. I've set out to learn it for myself. And then as years went by and, and 77 00:09:19.280 --> 00:09:22.240 things would, would change. I changed professions. 78 00:09:22.800 --> 00:09:24.800 Amazing. Amazing. 79 00:09:24.800 --> 00:09:28.480 And now I, now I get to help other women. 80 00:09:29.760 --> 00:09:36.720 You know it sounds cliche. You hear it, but how real that your test becomes your testimony. 81 00:09:37.520 --> 00:09:43.520 Your mess becomes your message, right? I mean, how, how beautiful that the things that you 82 00:09:43.520 --> 00:09:49.200 needed to learn to help yourself is the gift you bring to the world now is tied in with like 83 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:55.280 your unique purpose. How like, that's where I see God, like only God, right? Only God, 84 00:09:55.280 --> 00:09:57.760 you know, Romans 8, 28, working everything together. 85 00:09:58.320 --> 00:09:59.360 Beauty from ashes. 86 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:05.000 From Ashes, so you talk about, big words sometimes, 87 00:10:05.680 --> 00:10:10.680 so help us lay people, a regulated nervous system. 88 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:12.920 What the heck is a regulated nervous system? 89 00:10:12.920 --> 00:10:13.760 A regulated nervous system. 90 00:10:13.760 --> 00:10:14.580 People probably don't even know 91 00:10:14.580 --> 00:10:16.960 what their nervous system is in some ways. 92 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:19.880 So the nervous system is our autonomic system. 93 00:10:19.880 --> 00:10:22.840 It works without us having to think about it 94 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.680 to take care of all of the functions of our body. 95 00:10:26.680 --> 00:10:31.680 And when we're in health or in a regulated, 96 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:34.400 we're gonna have ebbs and flow in life. 97 00:10:34.400 --> 00:10:39.400 It's kind of like stress resilience is when you're regulated. 98 00:10:40.520 --> 00:10:43.680 Things are gonna happen and we're gonna mobilize. 99 00:10:43.680 --> 00:10:46.640 Our body's gonna, adrenaline's gonna flow. 100 00:10:46.640 --> 00:10:48.280 And that's the way God made it. 101 00:10:48.280 --> 00:10:51.160 He gave us these survival systems. 102 00:10:51.160 --> 00:10:54.800 And so we're going to activate 103 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:59.840 and be able to run and do what we need to do for this threat. 104 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:07.360 But then, we're supposed to, then come down, 105 00:11:07.400 --> 00:11:10.680 dip back into that parasympathetic state. 106 00:11:10.680 --> 00:11:13.360 And it's called the rest-digest state. 107 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.120 So we can rest, we can recover. 108 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:17.360 And that's when we do, 109 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:21.160 that's when our digestion's working just the way it should. 110 00:11:21.920 --> 00:11:26.920 But, in a chronically stressed, 111 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.000 I call it, it's like people living a lifestyle 112 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.800 of chronic stress. 113 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:34.320 There was already that. 114 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:37.880 And then we have COVID. 115 00:11:37.880 --> 00:11:42.880 And so people are just in this very quickly triggered place. 116 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.080 But you asked me what is a, 117 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:53.080 so a regulated system is one that ebbs and flows. 118 00:11:54.040 --> 00:11:58.160 And a dysregulated system is one that's kind of stuck. 119 00:11:58.160 --> 00:12:03.160 It's stuck, you're stuck in mobilization. 120 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.480 You're stuck in that sympathetic go, go, go, go. 121 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.400 Sometimes we create it. 122 00:12:08.400 --> 00:12:11.080 We create that go, go, go, go, go. 123 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.520 Because that's what we're comfortable with. 124 00:12:12.520 --> 00:12:14.000 That's what we know. 125 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:18.480 And it also brings us that go, go, go, go, go 126 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.600 can bring us up out of that state of numb, 127 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.120 that state of shutdown. 128 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.200 Okay, okay. 129 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.680 And so getting it regulated where it's intended to be. 130 00:12:29.680 --> 00:12:32.920 Because it's as if, you know, God has given us this, 131 00:12:32.920 --> 00:12:34.920 you know, a wolf is suddenly chasing us, 132 00:12:34.920 --> 00:12:37.320 a tiger, a lion, whatever, you know. 133 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.200 The whole body adjusts, right? 134 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.040 The blood leaves the extremities, 135 00:12:41.040 --> 00:12:42.680 everything goes into the center. 136 00:12:43.040 --> 00:12:44.920 And we're able to just fight or flight. 137 00:12:44.920 --> 00:12:46.720 We can run, we can. 138 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.520 And yet when you do that day in and day out, 139 00:12:49.520 --> 00:12:53.200 and day in and day out leads to dis-ease. 140 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:54.040 It does. 141 00:12:54.040 --> 00:12:56.560 Leads to, yeah, all of these things. 142 00:12:56.560 --> 00:12:59.560 And so you're helping it to be able to go 143 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:01.240 where it needs to go when it needs to 144 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:04.360 and then get in a regulated state. 145 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.160 Let's take it a little further. 146 00:13:07.640 --> 00:13:08.520 Wanna ask you a little, 147 00:13:08.520 --> 00:13:10.440 some of the things are a little dicey maybe, 148 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.640 but let's get into something. 149 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.960 So you had this anxiety and it was very chronic. 150 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.120 And it also led you to have a little bit of a temper 151 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:20.960 or something like that. 152 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.920 You wanna tell me about that a little bit? 153 00:13:23.880 --> 00:13:25.560 Well, I tell the stories 154 00:13:25.560 --> 00:13:27.680 that I was a very dysregulated mom. 155 00:13:27.680 --> 00:13:30.680 Dysregulated mom, that's a nice way to say it. 156 00:13:30.680 --> 00:13:33.160 Yeah, and I'm not talking about my digestion. 157 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:34.000 Okay, okay. 158 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:35.640 As a dysregulated mother. 159 00:13:35.640 --> 00:13:36.480 Okay. 160 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:38.880 And I was also a new Christian. 161 00:13:38.880 --> 00:13:41.720 I was a baby Christian when my kids were young. 162 00:13:41.760 --> 00:13:45.840 And I just remember feeling like, 163 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:47.720 feeling so much guilt and shame 164 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.880 that I couldn't control my temper. 165 00:13:50.880 --> 00:13:54.400 I read that I was a new creation in Christ. 166 00:13:54.400 --> 00:13:57.240 I read that the old was gone and the new had come, 167 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.000 but I couldn't, I didn't feel that. 168 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.240 And there was a lot of guilt and shame with that. 169 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:04.480 Guilt and shame. 170 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:06.320 And... 171 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.320 You said something to me, not to interrupt you, 172 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:12.120 but this is where I say it gets dicey. 173 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.440 I know how much you love God 174 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:16.480 and what a praying woman you are. 175 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.720 But you make a sentence that in this situation, 176 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.000 you couldn't even pray your way. 177 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:22.280 You wanted to will your way 178 00:14:22.280 --> 00:14:24.000 out of this anxiety and depression. 179 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:25.960 You wanted to will yourself out of this temper. 180 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:29.160 You had a strong desire to be a great mom, a great wife. 181 00:14:29.160 --> 00:14:31.960 I mean, you were full on engaged. 182 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:32.800 And yet you said, 183 00:14:32.800 --> 00:14:34.760 I couldn't pray myself out of this mess. 184 00:14:34.760 --> 00:14:35.600 No. 185 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.320 That might stir some people, 186 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:38.640 but I know your heart. 187 00:14:38.640 --> 00:14:40.520 I know how much you believe in prayer and God. 188 00:14:40.520 --> 00:14:41.360 Tell me about that. 189 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:42.200 Why? 190 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:43.760 Why couldn't you pray your way? 191 00:14:43.760 --> 00:14:47.560 Because we can't think our way to calm. 192 00:14:47.560 --> 00:14:48.920 We can't think. 193 00:14:49.800 --> 00:14:52.800 And I dare say under traumatic situ, 194 00:14:52.800 --> 00:14:56.000 under when your system is dysregulated. 195 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:57.040 Yeah. 196 00:14:57.040 --> 00:14:58.880 It's like, it's biological. 197 00:14:58.880 --> 00:14:59.720 Okay. 198 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:00.560 It's biological. 199 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:06.320 like, you know, like in illnesses. Okay. And yes, God can perform miracles. Sure. 200 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:14.200 And he does. Right. But we can't, we can't think ourselves calm. And so 201 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:22.200 what we need to do is go to the body. We use the body, we calm the body to calm 202 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:29.720 the mind. And I'm not taking God and his power out of this. Of course. I'm inserting it 203 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:36.080 with something I call embodied truth. Oh, tell me. Embodied truth. Embodied truth. 204 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:42.600 Tell me about that. Well, God made us body, mind, and soul. Okay. And I believe he 205 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:50.440 intends for us to experience his promises and his truth, body, mind, and 206 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:58.760 soul. So we, you know, we believe with our mind. I mean, we know in our mind. So we 207 00:15:58.760 --> 00:16:08.240 can take a scripture and we can know in our mind that be still and know that I 208 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:15.600 am God. Right, right. We can believe that in our heart. Okay. I believe we can embody 209 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:23.280 that. We need to feel that in our body. I love that. The dysregulated nervous 210 00:16:23.280 --> 00:16:30.320 system is, you know, it's like, I know you're there, Lord. Yeah. I know you're 211 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:38.920 always with me. You'll never desert me. I believe that. Yeah. But my, someone tell 212 00:16:38.920 --> 00:16:44.680 my body that. It's like someone please, someone please tell my body that. And so 213 00:16:44.680 --> 00:16:53.520 we can use practices, somatic practices that calm the body. I help people find 214 00:16:53.520 --> 00:17:04.040 and feel calm, feel those things that God promises. Rest, stability, security, peace. 215 00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:10.040 Our body is the container of all feeling, sensation, and emotion. Dr. Peter Levine. 216 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:19.880 Yeah. And so how do we experience peace, calm, stability, security? We feel it as a 217 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:27.920 sensation. Yeah. Trauma cuts us off from feelings and sensations. Wow. And so this 218 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:35.800 work is about finding safe ways to feel back into that body. And that has been 219 00:17:35.840 --> 00:17:44.480 your source of perhaps pain, torture, discomfort. Yeah. It's just, I get, I was 220 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:49.320 so excited to have you on the show and I get so passionate about this. And for 221 00:17:49.320 --> 00:17:53.680 someone that, yeah, I mean, for someone who's had trauma from very young, I mean, 222 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:57.280 bipolar parents, alcoholic, domestic violence. I mean, I've experienced a lot 223 00:17:57.320 --> 00:18:03.840 in my life. When you are going through your life, you don't know what you don't 224 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:11.200 know. Right. And so, like I say, I was completely disconnected from my body. I 225 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:17.400 was, I was operating mentally. What, what we now know science wise though, that's 226 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.800 so amazing about what you're doing. And it's so deep in terms of total healing 227 00:18:21.800 --> 00:18:28.680 and restoration is that every emotion has a neuro peptide. We release this 228 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:33.360 whole cascade of chemicals into our body. So like you said, you could just be, I 229 00:18:33.360 --> 00:18:39.240 believe in God and I've got it in our heart, but this chemical stew is going on, 230 00:18:39.320 --> 00:18:45.600 you know, on its own way. And it's leading to dis ease. And it's, I mean, the 231 00:18:45.600 --> 00:18:49.720 entire body is being affected. It can manifest as cancer. It can manifest as so 232 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:54.480 many things. So what you're doing is, um, it's so, like you said, it's Christ 233 00:18:54.480 --> 00:19:00.200 centered, embodied truth. And so there's so many things that are affected by what 234 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:06.640 you're doing. The peace, the balancing of the emotions, the, the, and, and I love 235 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:13.440 the way in your vision of how this affects generations to come. Tell us 236 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:17.520 about that. I mean, this is affecting every aspect of our life, what you're 237 00:19:17.520 --> 00:19:27.560 doing. Yes. And my, my passion is, is to, um, work with young moms or moms. Yeah. 238 00:19:28.560 --> 00:19:36.200 Because to have the blessing to impact or help transform the life of a mother, 239 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:44.560 think of all of the lives that a mother touches and none, perhaps more than her 240 00:19:44.560 --> 00:19:51.920 children. And so to impact or transform the life and transform her legacy, that 241 00:19:51.920 --> 00:20:00.000 mother's legacy, one, one nervous system at a time, one regulated, one regulated. 242 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:06.560 nervous system at a time. What a beautiful, what a beautiful work you're doing. So the women that 243 00:20:06.560 --> 00:20:15.280 are watching you right now, maybe she's a young mommy and she's relating to everything and she's 244 00:20:15.280 --> 00:20:21.920 overwhelmed, she's guilty, she's stressed out, she especially now during COVID, stuck at home, 245 00:20:22.800 --> 00:20:28.240 lots of stuff, everything changing, right? She's just right now, this is tough. What would you say 246 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:36.160 to her? What would you say to that young mommy? Well, I would say that you're not alone and that 247 00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:45.600 it's not your fault. And it perhaps isn't even your mental health, but it's the state of your 248 00:20:45.600 --> 00:20:55.120 nervous system. And you're not powerless against that, that God gave us this amazing body and 249 00:20:56.080 --> 00:21:06.000 we have the power within us from God to affect the states of our nervous system. And you can 250 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:15.120 learn to do that. And so that feeling of, why can't I just stop? And why can't I will my way 251 00:21:15.120 --> 00:21:26.800 out of this? And why can't I pray my way out of this? You can affect and have control. What the 252 00:21:26.800 --> 00:21:35.360 moms say to me and the women say to me is that they feel like they're going through life reacting 253 00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:40.800 and reacting. And we all are, aren't we? Aren't we a society of just quick reactions? 254 00:21:41.120 --> 00:21:51.680 Yeah. And with this work, I believe because I've seen it, we can create within our nervous system 255 00:21:52.560 --> 00:22:03.840 calm, stable control. It's going to flow, but we can respond in the fruits of the spirit. And 256 00:22:03.840 --> 00:22:10.160 isn't that what we want? Yes. And with a regulated nervous system, we can respond 257 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:15.040 in the fruits of the spirit. And even if we, a little anger, it's not, we're going to flow. 258 00:22:15.040 --> 00:22:20.800 We're going to have that flow, but we're not going to get stuck. And instead of reacting, 259 00:22:20.800 --> 00:22:30.720 and for me, this is me talking, instead of reacting in my filthy flesh, we can learn to create, 260 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:39.760 to bring ourselves into a state where we feel, where we do have control over our temper and 261 00:22:39.760 --> 00:22:47.280 control over our tongues, not to perfection or anything like that, but to a place where you're 262 00:22:47.280 --> 00:23:01.680 like, Oh, this is me. You get to be free to be you, the God, the you, the mom that God 263 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:12.880 made you to be. Wow. So tell me, how long does it take working with you to get results like this, 264 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:17.840 to have this piece, to have regulated nervous system? How long do you have to do this for 265 00:23:17.840 --> 00:23:22.560 years, like counseling and psychotherapy? How long does it take for them to feel a difference? 266 00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:33.120 Well, to answer that part, to feel a difference in one session, we can shift the state of our 267 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:41.200 nervous system, even if it's just a glimmer, even if it's just a little shift to feel just 268 00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:49.680 a little bit of stability or calm or peace. That's our glimmer of hope because trauma, 269 00:23:51.360 --> 00:23:57.120 trauma tells a lie. And I also believe it's a lie from the pit of hell that you will always feel 270 00:23:57.120 --> 00:24:05.280 this way. It'll never get better. This is as good as it's going to get, and it might get worse. 271 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:17.440 And, and that's a lie. And so when I can help a woman feel even just a glimmer of calm or a 272 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:29.280 glimmer of, um, ease, maybe ease in the face that just to feel sometimes it's just to feel something, 273 00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:40.240 anything other than the chronic pain, then the chronic anxiety, then the, um, the horrors 274 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:47.280 of what, of what they feel just to feel something different. That's, that's the start. And that's 275 00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:54.560 the glimmer of hope. And thus the name of your company full of hope, trauma recovery. And so 276 00:24:54.560 --> 00:24:59.760 it's that it's letting them begin to see, Hey, you don't have to stay this way forever. There's. 277 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:07.160 There's hope. There is hope and there is healing. Wow. I believe God has hope and 278 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:13.960 healing for trauma survivors, not just coping and management. Not just 279 00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:19.440 surviving. Not just surviving. Thriving. Thriving. Yes. So you brought up 280 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:25.600 something really powerful that I hadn't really connected till just now. You 281 00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:30.840 talked about pain and a lot of women, well people right now, I mean pain is a 282 00:25:30.840 --> 00:25:37.280 huge issue in our society. Right. So is what you're doing somehow tied to pain 283 00:25:37.280 --> 00:25:43.160 and is this trauma recovery also some kind of pain relief? Absolutely. I see a 284 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:47.520 lot of people for chronic pain or chronic illness. I call it you know the 285 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:54.200 chronics. Chronic stress creates chronic, can create chronic illness and chronic 286 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:58.920 pain. And the reason is is that when you're under that traumatic stress for 287 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:04.080 a long period of time, then again you're in that sympathetic state of your 288 00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:08.840 nervous system or you're in the shutdown state of your nervous system. And it's in 289 00:26:08.840 --> 00:26:16.240 that parasympathetic state where we rest and digest and recover. And so when 290 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:22.640 you're under and also when you're in a lot of pain, that it's a cycle. It creates, 291 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:29.840 it creates tension and stress and so you feel you can't sleep. It's just, 292 00:26:29.840 --> 00:26:35.000 it just creates one. It all builds on itself. So the chronic stress creates 293 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:39.000 pain, the pain creates more stress. It's kind of a cycle thing where it's all 294 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:45.880 feeding. And so there's this always just being in that sympathetic state of the 295 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:52.920 nervous system where you cannot rest, digest, recover and just actually feel 296 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:58.800 and be relaxed. And this is so huge because being in the sympathetic state 297 00:26:58.800 --> 00:27:04.680 is dis-ease. I mean it's it's affects longevity, it affects your immune system, 298 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:09.760 you know all of these things. How we age, the pain factor, how often we get sick. So 299 00:27:09.760 --> 00:27:14.640 like I said it's just so multi-pronged and and that you're able to make a 300 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:20.440 difference that way. So they can see, they can experience things in even one 301 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:27.240 session. I know that you offer a mini session. Tell us about that and how can 302 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.320 they get that, how can they get started experiencing this peace and joy and 303 00:27:31.320 --> 00:27:38.200 healing and hope and all these wonderful things. Sure. All you need to do is go to 304 00:27:38.360 --> 00:27:45.680 fullofhopetraumarecovery.com and there's just a quick little form there for you 305 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:50.000 to fill out. Put in your email address and you'll receive something from me 306 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:58.840 immediately that'll have something that you can already begin to put to to 307 00:27:58.840 --> 00:28:05.640 practice with. And then I'll, we'll have a session. I'll, we'll set it up and we'll 308 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:13.960 do a 30-minute session either in person or virtually. That is amazing. You know 309 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:19.760 scripture says tastes and know that the Lord is good. Taste of full of hope 310 00:28:19.760 --> 00:28:25.920 trauma recovery and know that your life can be good. Yes. Beautiful. It's just been 311 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:30.920 awesome to have you on this show. Thank you for having me. What a gift you're bringing like you said for 312 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:35.000 generations. Thank you for for going through these things in a way that 313 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:41.160 actually goes beyond you and changes the lives of many, many, many people. It's a 314 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:46.520 blessing for me to do it. I wake up every morning grateful and 315 00:28:46.520 --> 00:28:51.200 thrilled that I get to do this work.