WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.080 hey hey family hope you are doing great out there all around the world it is 2 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:13.600 awesome to be here with you tonight I'm delighted with that with all of you guys 3 00:00:13.600 --> 00:00:19.640 I'm loving this journey and it's a real real privilege to be here with you 4 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:25.520 tonight always already see some good discussion going on about the questions 5 00:00:25.520 --> 00:00:32.600 for tonight so I am looking forward to seeing where it all goes and what people 6 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:37.720 are thinking about and what is on our hearts together as a family and 7 00:00:37.720 --> 00:00:43.640 processing all of these big thoughts so welcome Janet I see you there whether 8 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:47.520 you are joining us live or whether you're going to join us for the delayed 9 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:53.800 I'm sure you are going to have a really valuable time tonight or whenever it is 10 00:00:53.800 --> 00:00:58.640 that you listen in and get get the great content that's going to come out tonight 11 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:03.440 Robert I see you there from South Africa and Dean from the north 12 00:01:03.440 --> 00:01:11.440 Kia Ora, Kia Ora, Kia Ora all my people love you very much and it truly is an honor to be 13 00:01:11.440 --> 00:01:15.360 sharing life together and looking forward to what's going to happen 14 00:01:15.360 --> 00:01:22.880 tonight so how about we just spend some time engaging with the Lord and and then 15 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:28.240 look at that Angela you made it in time to have a good conversation it's going 16 00:01:28.240 --> 00:01:31.480 to be great chats tonight so give me a thumbs up if you're there tonight's a 17 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:36.800 really interactive night Jan delightful to see you there very cool so just give 18 00:01:36.800 --> 00:01:41.000 me a say hello if you're out there whether you're joining live or delayed 19 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:46.720 just say hello to Neil wonderful to see you there I think we're going to have a 20 00:01:46.720 --> 00:01:54.280 lot of fun tonight on this on this adventure tonight to Neil really a 21 00:01:54.280 --> 00:02:02.040 delight to have you joining us too well let's let's just jump in and pray and 22 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:06.320 see what happens why don't you join me in praying wherever you are whether 23 00:02:06.320 --> 00:02:10.880 you're joining live or delayed it's amazing seeing how the Holy Spirit works 24 00:02:10.880 --> 00:02:16.240 through these through these videos even the delayed people are having awesome 25 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:20.520 encounters with the presence the Spirit of God is really touching people that 26 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.600 river of life that we carry flows through these videos whether they are 27 00:02:24.600 --> 00:02:29.920 live or delayed so really really exciting what God's doing so why don't 28 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:34.400 you join me and pray with me let's start praying in the spirit and then see what 29 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:39.960 the Holy Spirit wants to do as we pray in tongues together but once again 30 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:46.400 welcome welcome welcome I love you all very much this family is a true delight 31 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:52.920 and I really really have been blessed by this journey and this it's awesome to 32 00:02:52.920 --> 00:02:56.360 share it with you so let's pray 33 00:03:05.760 --> 00:03:09.360 hey if you do get a word of the Holy Spirit gives you a word why don't you 34 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:14.920 type that in as well we'd love to hear what God is saying through everyone 35 00:03:14.920 --> 00:03:17.280 tonight 36 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:54.120 holy spirit right now we just come and we lay aside our own agendas we lay 37 00:03:54.120 --> 00:04:01.280 aside our own thoughts and we lay aside distractions right now we come and we 38 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:07.040 engage with you in spirit and in truth right now and we set our attention wholly 39 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:11.920 on you we ask that you lead us we ask that you guide us and we ask that you 40 00:04:11.920 --> 00:04:16.760 would speak to us powerfully tonight we ask that your thoughts would be our 41 00:04:16.760 --> 00:04:21.760 thoughts we ask that your heart would be our heart we ask that your wisdom would 42 00:04:21.760 --> 00:04:27.920 be our wisdom we ask for an activation in a manifestation of the mind of Christ 43 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:33.040 tonight Lord touch us with your presence touch us with your word touch us with 44 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:38.480 your spirit and Holy Spirit I ask that you you speak life into the hearts of 45 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.400 every person tonight I ask that you breathe just breathe the atmosphere of 46 00:04:43.400 --> 00:04:49.920 heaven on every one of us tonight in Jesus name we trust you we set our 47 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:55.640 attention on you we honor you we love you there's no one like you there's 48 00:04:55.640 --> 00:05:01.880 nothing like your presence we love you love you love you 49 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:06.540 love you. So fill our hearts right now Holy Spirit. Flood our hearts and our 50 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:11.840 minds with your thoughts, with your heart. We lay ourselves down afresh 51 00:05:11.840 --> 00:05:18.560 tonight. We surrender ourselves before you afresh tonight in Jesus' name. Lord 52 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:22.480 move among us tonight. Move among us tonight. 53 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:27.840 E rabo shi ki abarana mamao. Ko ro mana mana mandi arana mamao. 54 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:31.480 Hey, if the Holy Spirit's giving you a word, why don't you share that? It would be 55 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:37.440 great to hear what God is saying to you, what words he's giving you, what pictures 56 00:05:37.440 --> 00:05:41.400 he's giving you, what the Holy Spirit's stirring and activating in your heart 57 00:05:41.400 --> 00:05:44.880 would be great to hear from you guys. Why don't you just type in what the Holy 58 00:05:44.880 --> 00:05:48.400 Spirit's doing in you and through you right now. 59 00:05:48.400 --> 00:05:50.800 Ki a rabo rane mi shi arana maao. 60 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.160 Ki a barana mana mandoro mana mamao. 61 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.160 Wao wao wao. 62 00:05:56.760 --> 00:06:02.160 Wao wao wao. You're perfect in all your ways, Holy Spirit. 63 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.160 Hi a ramona mundi arana mamao. Bo bo shi arana maao. 64 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.160 Shion do ru mana babao bo rana mamae. 65 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:14.160 Kwe ra baba babao bo bo bo rana mama ki arana maao. 66 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:18.160 E pa po do ru mana mana ma ki arana maao. 67 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:22.160 Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. 68 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:26.160 Nen ba po ru mana barana mi ki arana maao. 69 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.160 Ru kun kun bondora na maao. 70 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.160 Wao, your precious Spirit. 71 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.160 Your precious Spirit is filling this place right now. 72 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:40.160 Your precious Spirit is filling this place. 73 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.160 Your precious Spirit is flooding this place. 74 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:48.160 We love you, we honor you, we welcome you, we worship you. 75 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.160 We thank you that tonight, Holy Spirit, 76 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.160 you're just going to breathe life into this conversation. 77 00:06:55.160 --> 00:07:00.160 I thank you that this time together tonight is going to be a time of divine appointment. 78 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.160 I think it's going to be a time of wisdom and revelation. 79 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:09.160 I thank you that you're releasing a spirit of wisdom and revelation over every person. 80 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:15.160 I thank you that there's a massive, massive flow of freedom from heaven. 81 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.160 I sense the breath of God. 82 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:23.160 Just the breath of God, that tangible atmosphere of heaven being breathed over us, 83 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:25.160 being released over us. 84 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:32.160 And I see such a flow, such a river of freedom flowing from this time in Jesus' name. 85 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:36.160 So Holy Spirit, we thank you for the tangible river of your presence. 86 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:41.160 We thank you for Ezekiel 47, that you spoke of a river. 87 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.160 And everywhere that river went, that river flowed from your presence. 88 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:50.160 It flowed from your kingdom, it flowed from your throne, it flowed from heaven. 89 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:53.160 And everywhere that river went, there was life. 90 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:57.160 And so I prophesy tonight that your presence is life. 91 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.160 Wow, your presence is life. 92 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.160 And we just release that life to flow through us in Jesus' name. 93 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:04.160 Hey, Jan's got a word. 94 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:07.160 Just want to see this. 95 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:12.160 So I had a sense of being beneath a waterfall and Isaiah 511 came to mind. 96 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:18.160 Thou shalt be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose water fail not. 97 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.160 Thank you, Papa. That's beautiful. 98 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:26.160 May you just be touched afresh tonight with the river of His presence, 99 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:30.160 the river of His kindness and His gentleness and His goodness. 100 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.159 May that flow through your heart afresh tonight. 101 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:42.159 I just really strongly sense the tenderness of Papa, the tenderness of our Father among us tonight. 102 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.160 And so I just release that over you right now as well. 103 00:08:46.160 --> 00:08:48.160 I release the tenderness of God. 104 00:08:48.160 --> 00:08:54.160 I release the gentleness of God to flood your heart afresh, to flood your mind afresh. 105 00:08:55.160 --> 00:09:01.160 Even have the sense as well, just see, basically I sense the Lord is saying that there's someone 106 00:09:01.160 --> 00:09:07.160 that's been having a rough time with condemnation and you've been being hard on yourself in this season 107 00:09:07.160 --> 00:09:10.160 and you've felt like you've had some failures. 108 00:09:10.160 --> 00:09:12.160 To you, they feel like big failures. 109 00:09:12.160 --> 00:09:18.160 To Papa, I think they feel probably, probably look just like little bumps in the road. 110 00:09:18.160 --> 00:09:22.160 But the sense that you've been struggling with condemnation because of those things 111 00:09:22.160 --> 00:09:24.160 that seem like failures to you. 112 00:09:24.160 --> 00:09:29.160 But I just really sense His tenderness and His gentleness coming around you. 113 00:09:29.160 --> 00:09:32.160 And I see Him just lifting up your head. 114 00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:35.160 I see Him taking your shame away. 115 00:09:35.160 --> 00:09:42.160 I see Him wrapping you in a robe of His righteousness and just saying, just really just comforting you. 116 00:09:42.160 --> 00:09:45.160 Just looking at you with eyes that have no judgment in them. 117 00:09:45.160 --> 00:09:49.160 Just looking at you with eyes of love and tenderness and gentleness 118 00:09:49.160 --> 00:09:55.160 and a heart that's wide open, full of embrace, full of never-ending mercies and kindness. 119 00:09:55.160 --> 00:09:58.160 I see Him just embracing you and wrapping you up. 120 00:09:58.160 --> 00:10:00.160 So I release that. 121 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:05.160 that for everyone that a fresh wave of the tenderness a fresh wave of the 122 00:10:05.160 --> 00:10:09.960 gentleness and the kindness of our Papa in heaven would wash over us and that 123 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:15.360 his robe of righteousness would clothe our conscience in Jesus name that the 124 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:20.440 robe of his righteousness would just clothe our conscience would clothe our 125 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:27.440 mindsets in Jesus name. Janet says she sees a feather and she feels the 126 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:35.420 softness of God as gentleness we're on a bridge into a we're on a bridge into a 127 00:10:35.420 --> 00:10:38.960 new garden we're traveling over the bridge into a garden that he has 128 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:43.560 designed for us before the beginning of time that's beautiful struck such a 129 00:10:43.560 --> 00:10:49.280 strong sense tonight of God just drawing us in why don't you just try this right 130 00:10:49.280 --> 00:10:54.600 now as the Lord's kind of initiating an encounter these strong you know even 131 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:59.840 Isaiah 511 it's like a garden picture with a strong sense of gentleness and 132 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:05.880 tenderness and kindness and we've also just had Janet's word as well a feather 133 00:11:05.880 --> 00:11:12.120 you don't get much more gentle and tender than a feather the softness of 134 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:16.080 God the gentleness of God and just drawing us into a garden which is such a 135 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:21.600 place of rest and such a place of comfort and so for those of us that are 136 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:28.120 here live or if you are joining us delayed this is just there's this an 137 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:34.760 encounter right now for us all for all of us to encounter his gentleness to 138 00:11:34.760 --> 00:11:40.440 encounter his comfort to encounter his restoration to encounter his refreshing 139 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:47.240 and so I release that restoration right now I release that refreshing and I just 140 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:51.720 want to encourage you right now why don't you close your eyes and why don't 141 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:57.080 you picture yourself being like Enoch you know Enoch walked with God for 300 142 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:04.080 years this morning I walked with God in the National Park this beautiful forest 143 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:09.280 right beside one of the most beautiful rivers in the world I just walked with 144 00:12:09.280 --> 00:12:14.720 God and talked with God and he we just communed we just fellowshiped as we 145 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.680 walked along I didn't talk audibly I didn't specifically pray but there was 146 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:28.520 this conscious awareness and this effortless communion with his spirit and 147 00:12:28.520 --> 00:12:31.160 so I just encourage you right now why don't you just picture yourself in a 148 00:12:31.160 --> 00:12:40.240 garden you know we were created for Eden and why don't you just take a moment now 149 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:48.880 just to walk with God to commune with the divine nature and why don't you ask 150 00:12:48.880 --> 00:12:57.200 the Trinity right now how do you want to love me right now because I know that's 151 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:06.640 their agenda right now their agenda is to see you well loved their agenda right 152 00:13:06.640 --> 00:13:12.520 now man there's such a strong sense of presence it's such a tangible atmosphere 153 00:13:12.520 --> 00:13:19.200 of glory in my office right now I love it so much because it's the manifest 154 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:26.000 presence of the Trinity Wow Trinity I just want to say my heart 155 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.280 burns for you however you want to do this why don't you just walk with the 156 00:13:31.280 --> 00:13:38.960 Lord why don't you commune spirit to spirit face to face when you find your 157 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:44.680 Eden just close your eyes and imagine what it would feel like to be walking 158 00:13:44.680 --> 00:13:49.680 with God close your eyes and imagine what it would be what it would feel like 159 00:13:49.680 --> 00:14:01.560 to be walking with your Papa chatting with your Papa whoa Papa Wow feel your 160 00:14:01.560 --> 00:14:12.600 tenderness I feel the weight of your glory I love walking with you I walk 161 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:19.960 with you right now I walk with you right now in Eden 162 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:37.600 deeper deeper deeper deeper may your love trickle into the depths of our heart 163 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:45.640 right now may our hearts be softened afresh right now in your presence we 164 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:52.880 just ask you Trinity how do you want to love us right now how do you want to 165 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:56.000 love me right now 166 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:10.400 I just hear the Trinity saying for me, I want to pour out, refreshing on you, body, soul 167 00:15:10.400 --> 00:15:13.280 and spirit. 168 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:26.480 I want to pour out new strength, new grace, new courage, new dreams, new life, whoa. 169 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.600 I receive that Trinity, I want it all. 170 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:38.240 I'm hungry for everything you have to offer. 171 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:45.120 Whoa, whoa, I'm getting so undone right now in the glory of God. 172 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:52.160 I feel a tangible manifest, weighty glory of God, whoa, rushing right through my whole 173 00:15:52.160 --> 00:15:55.440 being. 174 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:02.000 Whoa, I see a picture right now of dancing with the Trinity, whoa, surrounded by the 175 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:09.760 perfect atmosphere of heaven, whoa, whoa, and in this picture as I'm dancing with the 176 00:16:09.760 --> 00:16:18.240 Trinity, whoa, I see the Trinity fully filling me and I see myself fully filling them. 177 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:24.400 I see seamless union, whoa. 178 00:16:24.400 --> 00:16:32.080 I see oneness, I see divine union, whoa. 179 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.880 May that flood over you, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 180 00:16:36.880 --> 00:16:41.360 I see another word coming here. 181 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:48.480 Jan said she's been meditating on the robe of righteousness, the purple color of his 182 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:53.440 kingly robe being wrapped around each of us, seated gently in his lap while he wraps this 183 00:16:53.440 --> 00:17:01.360 around us, a place of rest, oh, wow, such a beautiful rest. 184 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:05.680 I feel such a powerful rest, such a beautiful encounter. 185 00:17:07.280 --> 00:17:15.119 More, Lord, more, Lord, more, fill our hearts, flood us, Papa, whoa. 186 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:23.599 Wow, amen, that was beautiful, that was amazing. 187 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:36.240 Whoa, man, I just, I feel really strong through my legs, oh, weighty glory, just a tangible, 188 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:42.720 weighty atmosphere of the presence of God filling me, flooding me, oh, I will never, 189 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:48.640 never, never, never, never get bored of the presence, oh, it's such an ultimate, ultimate 190 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:50.640 delight of my life, wow. 191 00:17:51.600 --> 00:18:01.920 Psalm, I believe it's Psalm 36, oh, it's your love is better than life, wow, amazing. 192 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:12.080 So we're going to jump into this Q&A time now and, oh, man, just transitioning, I don't 193 00:18:12.080 --> 00:18:18.320 want to transition out of the glory, feeling undone, feeling so loved, feeling so rested 194 00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:26.000 and re-energized and baptized and a little bit undone as well, oh, but let's jump into 195 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:31.520 some Q&As and see who has the first question of the night, we've had a couple of questions 196 00:18:31.520 --> 00:18:37.760 asked before the session began, but let's see who wants to bring out our first question 197 00:18:37.760 --> 00:18:45.360 for tonight and let's jump into it and I'll try and stay sober and cognitive while this 198 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.840 beautiful, luscious presence floods me deeply, oh. 199 00:18:54.080 --> 00:19:00.560 So let's hear some of those questions, guys, I'd be interested to see what's going on in 200 00:19:00.560 --> 00:19:08.640 your minds, we've covered a lot of really dynamic material that's been really powerful 201 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:14.800 material as well and Angela had some really good questions too tonight before the session 202 00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:18.800 started, so I'd love to cover some of those and 203 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:28.000 also just be great to hear what questions you guys have got stirring and rattling around 204 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:36.320 in your heads tonight too, so why don't you share those and we will have another beautiful 205 00:19:36.320 --> 00:19:41.840 adventure tonight engaging with these thoughts and questions and again we'll be, I'm not 206 00:19:41.840 --> 00:19:46.400 specifically trying to teach you what to think, throwing out a whole bunch of different things 207 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:54.480 that Christians have believed through the millennia, you know, it's 2,000 years of 208 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:59.920 conversation around these things, so let's see what's stirring. 209 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:06.120 in your hearts and your heads as budding theologians of our day give me a thumbs 210 00:20:06.120 --> 00:20:12.280 up too if you're if you're there I'm for some reason I'm not seeing your comments 211 00:20:12.280 --> 00:20:22.320 oh look there we go ha there it is sweet so ha wow more more more more more may 212 00:20:22.320 --> 00:20:30.480 just love baptize you saturate you fill you flood you Wow more more more of his 213 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:38.880 presence so shoot those questions out guys and I'd love to chat with you about 214 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:44.520 those questions that you've got steering in your head but otherwise if I don't 215 00:20:44.520 --> 00:20:49.480 see a question pop up here and at the next 30 seconds then I'm gonna jump on 216 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:56.240 board with one of Angela's questions from earlier this afternoon that she put 217 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:02.440 up before the session began so you've got a little window now otherwise we'll 218 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:10.080 jump into Angela's question going once going twice here we go okay so Angela 219 00:21:10.080 --> 00:21:18.360 had a great question and I'm just going to see if I can do a really really good 220 00:21:18.360 --> 00:21:28.000 job of this and I actually think Angela that I might be able to help you quite a 221 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:33.280 bit with this question so Angela's question from earlier on tonight is if 222 00:21:33.280 --> 00:21:39.080 Jesus didn't need to die on the cross to satisfy the wrath of an angry father if 223 00:21:39.080 --> 00:21:42.760 he wasn't satisfying the wrath of an angry father and if Jesus was a 224 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:51.360 sacrifice for sin you know in John in John 1 12 John the Baptist says behold 225 00:21:51.360 --> 00:21:58.560 the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world so Jesus really was a 226 00:21:58.560 --> 00:22:04.480 sacrifice that takes away the sin of the world the Greek word for world there is 227 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:13.320 cosmos so boom he takes it away Jesus was not a sacrifice that paid the price 228 00:22:13.320 --> 00:22:19.200 for us to be forgiven but Jesus was a sacrifice that was a his life was a 229 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:25.040 ransom so Jesus definitely paid a price but we have to be really clear on why he 230 00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:31.680 paid a price and what that price was and not get confused about the price that 231 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:38.040 Jesus paid so I've got an attachment that I'll actually send to the group 232 00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:44.360 I've also actually covered this I've done a whole session on this so one of 233 00:22:44.360 --> 00:22:48.440 the questions that are sorry one of the sessions I did is a sacrifice that 234 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:54.040 reveals the father so in the session a sacrifice that reveals the father which 235 00:22:54.040 --> 00:22:58.040 I did in the life redefined group which is the first two weeks of the school of 236 00:22:58.040 --> 00:23:02.480 sonship is in the life redefined group so jump on there if you haven't seen 237 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:11.520 that then you really want to see the session of a sacrifice that reveals the 238 00:23:11.520 --> 00:23:15.240 father let me just read some of these questions that are coming in now Janet 239 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.600 says there are many different ideas on what to expect before Yeshua returns do 240 00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:23.000 you have any revelation on this okay that's a good question really big one 241 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:27.640 and Dean says I feel there is a reformation happening around the world 242 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:31.960 with theology coming back into correct focus do you want to briefly comment 243 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:35.040 from your travels about the extent of this okay there's a couple of great 244 00:23:35.040 --> 00:23:40.160 things so let me touch on Angela's question and also let me share a power 245 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:46.240 not a PowerPoint but share a handout with you on that and then let me touch 246 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:50.680 on these two questions that have popped up here as well great thoughts guys by 247 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:54.240 the way great thoughts great conversations thanks Janet and thanks 248 00:23:54.240 --> 00:24:03.440 Dean so first of all I cover this really in depth and life redefined in 249 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:08.680 the session of sacrifice that reveals the father so one of the big things to 250 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:14.680 remember with Augustinian thought is that Augustine had this perspective of 251 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:20.320 an angry God of wrath and Jesus basically had to save us from God so 252 00:24:20.320 --> 00:24:26.120 actually an interesting quote I had heard about basically in line with 253 00:24:26.120 --> 00:24:32.720 Augustinian theology of modern theologian he wrote the irony of the 254 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:42.280 gospel is that on the cross God saves us from God now how bizarre is that that 255 00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:46.840 when when Augustinian theology and Augustinian thought is boiled down 256 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:54.640 that's basically the the story is that Jesus you know the the gospel is God 257 00:24:54.640 --> 00:25:01.640 saves us from God rather than God saves us from ourselves if you 258 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.920 Think like that, then basically the conclusions that you make is that after the fall, it was 259 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.920 the Trinity that fell, not humanity. 260 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.320 It was never the Trinity that fell, it was humanity that fell. 261 00:25:11.320 --> 00:25:21.120 The Trinity has been okay, the Trinity has been fine, the Trinity has never stopped, 262 00:25:21.120 --> 00:25:28.800 the Trinity has never stopped their fellowship, they've never stopped perichoresis. 263 00:25:28.800 --> 00:25:33.400 Jan's just chirped in with another good question here, where does Jonathan Edwards' Sinners 264 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:35.520 in the Hands of an Angry God fit? 265 00:25:35.520 --> 00:25:43.680 Jan, great question, Jonathan Edwards' message, his sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry 266 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:49.080 God, possibly the most famous sermon ever preached on American soil, and possibly one 267 00:25:49.080 --> 00:25:56.320 of the most famous sermons ever preached in world history to date, is this really, really 268 00:25:56.320 --> 00:26:02.600 famous sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards, and that Sinners 269 00:26:02.600 --> 00:26:09.920 in the Hands of an Angry God message is perfect Augustinian theology, that is straight up 270 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:18.320 and down Augustine, and I mean that is crazy, it's just crazy, crazy stuff, I mean I would 271 00:26:18.320 --> 00:26:22.360 like to just pull out some of the stuff there about how much, how it talks about how much 272 00:26:22.360 --> 00:26:29.040 God hates you, this message, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, it's vile in its sense 273 00:26:29.040 --> 00:26:34.920 of God, it paints such an angry, angry picture of God, what do you expect from the title, 274 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:40.960 Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, so Sinners right there, you have this concept, this Augustinian 275 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:49.000 concept of total depravity, you know, that the core identity of humanity is that we are 276 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:57.800 totally depraved, evil, vile creatures, as opposed to sons made perfectly in the image 277 00:26:57.800 --> 00:27:04.520 of our Father in Heaven, so you're automatically communicating this orphan gospel, it's automatically 278 00:27:04.520 --> 00:27:08.960 communicating the exact opposite of the gospel that Jesus communicated, which is that you 279 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:14.400 are enough, and you are loved by your Papa in Heaven, you're perfectly loved, you're 280 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:21.440 perfectly one, you're a perfect son, it already says, you're inadequate, you're separate from 281 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:26.840 God, you're far from God, and God is an angry God who really hates you, like whoa, that's 282 00:27:26.840 --> 00:27:35.400 crazy, so back to Angela's question, Jesus was a sacrifice, but he was a sacrifice that 283 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:42.440 revealed the Father, as opposed to a sacrifice that changed the Father, now the big difference 284 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:49.280 is in orthodox thought versus Augustinian thought, is that orthodox thought right from 285 00:27:49.280 --> 00:27:54.560 the beginning has always been that Jesus came as the exact revelation of the Father, that 286 00:27:54.560 --> 00:27:59.160 everything that Jesus did was a revelation of the nature and the character of the Father, 287 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:04.520 that Jesus was like the glove, and the Father was the hand inside the glove, and everything 288 00:28:04.520 --> 00:28:12.400 that you see the glove doing is an exact expression, representation of the Father, so on the cross 289 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:19.280 as well, Jesus was revealing the Father, the Father was in Christ on the cross, 2 Corinthians 290 00:28:19.280 --> 00:28:27.840 5 puts it like this, God was in Christ, reconciling the cosmos to himself, not counting men's 291 00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:37.960 sins against them, and we too have received this commissioning to reconciliation, so Jesus 292 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:43.320 was a sacrifice, but he was a sacrifice that revealed the Father, if you look in the handout 293 00:28:43.320 --> 00:28:47.520 that I'll share with you at the end of this, and by the way I've shared the handout as 294 00:28:47.520 --> 00:28:52.880 well, I've shared the PDF with you on origins of the gospel, so that's up in the group, 295 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.280 you'll be able to find that there, and go through that at your own time if you want 296 00:28:56.280 --> 00:29:03.640 to, so I'll share this handout with you as well, but the book of Hebrews talks about 297 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:11.120 how the Old Testament became obsolete, and we have to go back before this as well, before 298 00:29:11.120 --> 00:29:21.800 the law was given, if we go back to Mount Sinai, what we see is that before the law 299 00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:28.880 was given, God actually called in Exodus 20, God was actually calling Israel to be a kingdom 300 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:35.920 of priests, so a kingdom that speaks of dominion, that speaks of identity, and priests that 301 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:41.400 speaks of intimacy, so from the very beginning, God was, what he was really after, what Papa 302 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:46.480 was really after was the restoration of identity and intimacy, and that humanity could step 303 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:55.280 back into that place of being kings and priests, but they rejected that, they rejected God's 304 00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:00.000 plan of restoring identity and restoring intimacy, so that the whole nation could be kings and 305 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:00.000 306 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.560 could be a kingdom of priests they rejected that and it's like God said 307 00:30:03.560 --> 00:30:08.760 all right well fine if you don't want that you can have you can have the law 308 00:30:08.760 --> 00:30:14.760 and hopefully the law will show you how futile self-righteousness is hopefully 309 00:30:14.760 --> 00:30:20.640 the law will show you how futile life is trying to live with your false 310 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.160 definitions trying to define yourself rather than allowing me to define you 311 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.960 hopefully the law will show you how futile life is how pointless life is 312 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:34.560 without intimacy and without Dominion without identity and without intimacy 313 00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:38.600 God's call was identity and intimacy they rejected that and he said all right 314 00:30:38.600 --> 00:30:42.600 well you don't like you don't want intimacy and identity let's have the law 315 00:30:42.600 --> 00:30:47.480 and hopefully that will that will you know that taste of self-righteousness 316 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:52.960 that taste of doing it alone going alone living disconnected isolated the way 317 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.120 that you want to live you know as you're clothed by your shame as you're too 318 00:30:57.120 --> 00:31:02.520 scared to come close to me hopefully humanity will get sick of this isolation 319 00:31:02.520 --> 00:31:07.240 and independence and disconnection and orphan mentalities and being falsely 320 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.880 defined and hopefully after this taste of the law of what they're asking for 321 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.400 they'll be sick of that and they'll want to come in and experience the real deal 322 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:23.160 so Angela in a nutshell check out the message in Life Redefined a sacrifice 323 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.520 that reveals the father and also I'll share with you to the the PowerPoint 324 00:31:29.520 --> 00:31:36.280 sorry not the PowerPoint but the handout I've got a handout on that or which I'll 325 00:31:36.280 --> 00:31:42.240 share with the group too but a superior sacred sacrifice so the book of Hebrews 326 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.040 is all about contrasting Jesus as a superior sacrifice with all the 327 00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:51.920 sacrifices of the Old Testament and actually the author of Hebrews calls the 328 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.720 Old Testament he says of the the law and the Old Testament and the Old 329 00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.360 Testament sacrifices he said that they were weak and useless that they had no 330 00:32:00.360 --> 00:32:06.280 capacity to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper whereas Jesus is a totally 331 00:32:06.280 --> 00:32:09.880 different type of sacrifice you'll notice in there as well that I contrast 332 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.960 the difference between expiation and propitiation and there's a massive 333 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.200 difference between those two things which we won't go into now but we'll get 334 00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:22.720 into later so hey Monica great to have you joining us and Will great to have 335 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:30.720 you guys there so great questions there Angela and let's check out some of these 336 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:36.600 other things here Dean had a good good comment and so did Janet so Janet's 337 00:32:36.600 --> 00:32:42.480 thought was there are many different ideas on what to expect before Yeshua 338 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:49.280 returns do you have any revelation on this I mean I think everyone has has got 339 00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:59.260 a few ideas on on this I think I'm building stronger a stronger sense a 340 00:32:59.260 --> 00:33:08.880 stronger I sense of ideas of where Jesus is really taking this journey and one of 341 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.880 those things would be the restoration of all things acts is really clear that 342 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:18.560 says that Jesus is actually going to wait in heaven until the restoration of 343 00:33:18.560 --> 00:33:23.440 all things now that's a really interesting concept there's some really 344 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:29.840 powerful ideas that the Bible communicates about about earth as well 345 00:33:29.840 --> 00:33:34.840 it's like heaven is really keen to get to earth and in earth is really here a 346 00:33:34.840 --> 00:33:38.720 lot of us Christians are waiting to escape earth and get to heaven when it 347 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:43.640 seems like he was really looking towards escaping heaven and filling the filling 348 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:48.840 the earth but Isaiah 9 says that of the increase of his government and peace 349 00:33:48.840 --> 00:33:54.200 there will be no end and that Hebrew word for peace is the word Shalom and it 350 00:33:54.200 --> 00:34:00.040 means you know one of the concepts of Shalom is that everything functions 351 00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:04.400 according to divine design so you have absolutely everything on the planet 352 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:09.159 functioning according to divine design which I'm excited about that so to me 353 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:14.080 I'm thinking okay the increase of his government and Shalom and peace and 354 00:34:14.080 --> 00:34:19.679 divine design and divine delightment there will be no end Daniel 727 talks 355 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:28.120 about Daniel 727 talks about it says the court will sit and the devil's power 356 00:34:28.120 --> 00:34:34.719 will be taken away and all rulers will worship and obey him and his kingdom 357 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:42.360 will be an everlasting kingdom well I mean the Great Commission in Matthew 28 358 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:47.400 is that we would make disciples of all nations not just make disciples in all 359 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.159 nations but make disciples of all nations that's the Commission that Jesus 360 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:56.560 has given us and I am pretty confident that Jesus really intends to see the 361 00:34:56.560 --> 00:35:02.320 fulfillment of that Great Commission 362 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.060 commission. So my thoughts are that heaven is going to fully invade every 363 00:35:05.060 --> 00:35:10.980 sphere of influence on the planet. It's really interesting now as well 364 00:35:10.980 --> 00:35:14.140 there's a lot of different thoughts and there's always been a lot of different 365 00:35:14.140 --> 00:35:20.700 thoughts about what the end times looks like and actually every generation since 366 00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:25.340 Jesus including you know the disciples believed that they would be the last 367 00:35:25.340 --> 00:35:30.820 generation that Jesus was going to come in their generation and actually so far 368 00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:38.060 of all the predictions about when Jesus is coming so far to date everyone that's 369 00:35:38.060 --> 00:35:41.500 promised that prophesied that Jesus is coming in their lifetime 370 00:35:41.500 --> 00:35:46.300 everyone's been wrong so far a hundred percent so if you are going to prophesy 371 00:35:46.300 --> 00:35:52.860 the date of the return of Jesus you know it's going to be pretty 372 00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:56.940 your odds aren't so good you know so far a hundred percent of people have been 373 00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:02.060 wrong a hundred percent have been wrong so far oh my gosh of the people who 374 00:36:02.060 --> 00:36:07.660 prophesied that Jesus was coming in their lifetime so that's kind of kind of 375 00:36:07.660 --> 00:36:15.420 a dynamic thing but what I am I don't know exactly I don't pretend to know 376 00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:20.640 exactly when Jesus is coming back I think it's a great way to be wrong is to 377 00:36:20.640 --> 00:36:24.520 get really certain on exactly when you think he's coming back but I think 378 00:36:24.520 --> 00:36:28.640 there's some things that we can be really certain of is that of the 379 00:36:28.640 --> 00:36:33.620 increase of his government and peace there will be no end I am I'm not a 380 00:36:33.620 --> 00:36:38.040 person who thinks there is not going to be tribulation in fact tribulation is 381 00:36:38.040 --> 00:36:42.160 one of the promises that Jesus gave all of us for our own lives he said you know 382 00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:47.520 in this life we will have tribulation whether we're in the end times or not 383 00:36:47.520 --> 00:36:53.160 and I think that if you look at people in persecuted nations there are 384 00:36:53.160 --> 00:36:59.880 thousands of believers right now in in prisons being tortured and for those 385 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:04.520 guys I'm pretty sure that would feel like intense tribulation kind of like 386 00:37:04.520 --> 00:37:14.520 the end times type of apocalyptic type scenario there have been they've been I 387 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:18.160 mean the amount of people the amount of Christians being martyred for their 388 00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:24.720 faith right now is really off the charts a big doomsday a big dark cloud a big 389 00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:31.880 scary future around in times I feel like in times is being woven with this 390 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:39.840 concept of fear and tribulation and torment and persecution but even if you 391 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.800 do look at the books of Daniel and the other apocalyptic books and remember 392 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.000 apocalypse the Greek word apocalypse it actually means revelation it means the 393 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.320 great 394 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:04.840 hey hey sorry about that guys had a slight disconnect there on the internet 395 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:10.680 but if we are talking about you know when people start talking about the end 396 00:38:10.680 --> 00:38:15.720 times a lot of people go into a lot of fear that there's this big nasty 397 00:38:15.720 --> 00:38:23.320 apocalypse there's you know there's dragons there's beasts there's you know 398 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:29.160 there's the false prophets there's the mark of the beast there's you know the 399 00:38:29.160 --> 00:38:34.840 beast and all these nasty nasty things but what people fail to realize is that 400 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:40.760 even even but there's not many scholars that suggest that that period if it is 401 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.480 if it is like that you know there's lots of different paradigms and perspectives 402 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.120 of what that might look like but if there is a great tribulation most 403 00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:53.000 theologians that are on that level on that plane suggest they are they all 404 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:58.120 pretty much majority of them agree that that that season of intense persecution 405 00:38:58.120 --> 00:39:02.240 would only actually be three and a half years in that three and a half years of 406 00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:07.960 apocalypse remember the word apocalypse is a great unveiling a great revealing 407 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:14.960 so China if you look at China China closed its borders they got called the 408 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:21.880 bamboo curtain and when China closed its borders in that I think was in the 80s 409 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:27.920 and there was only about a million known Christians at that time and when the 410 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.440 bamboo curtain came down when you know communist China started opening up to 411 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:38.000 the world again the number of Christians had exploded by tens of millions it had 412 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.480 just gone off the charts and the growth of the Chinese Church has not stopped 413 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:48.640 since then it has just gone exponential China is the largest Christian nation in 414 00:39:48.640 --> 00:39:52.800 the world now so what did that apocalypse do that apocalypse produced a 415 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.960 massive unveiling a great revealing a great revealing of Sanchez a great 416 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.680 revealing of 417 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.480 the gospel and so if there is big tribulation, if there is a big apocalypse 418 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.480 that's actually a good thing because an apocalypse is a great unveiling, a great 419 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.560 revealing. Remember all creation is groaning for the unveiling. That word 420 00:40:14.560 --> 00:40:19.800 unveiling is the same word translated as apocalypse. All creation is groaning for 421 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:24.200 a great apocalypse. Oh my gosh did you hear it like, ever heard it like that 422 00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:29.120 before? But all creation is groaning for a great apocalypse. But even if there is 423 00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:34.240 a great apocalypse of three and a half years, how often is it that those times 424 00:40:34.240 --> 00:40:38.760 of tribulation, that the Lord uses those times of tribulation as a time of 425 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:43.760 great birthing. So I'm not saying that that's necessarily my perspective but I 426 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.560 think that there's a lot of people going through huge persecution in the world 427 00:40:47.560 --> 00:40:51.760 right now and that sense of persecution is like a great apocalypse for them 428 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.080 right now. And Christians and persecuted nations right now it seems like the 429 00:40:56.080 --> 00:41:01.040 great apocalypse. So I'm not a big fan of the concept that Christians won't 430 00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:05.520 experience persecution, that everything is going to be fluffy, that there's not 431 00:41:05.520 --> 00:41:10.040 going to be hardships or suffering. I think that if you look around the world 432 00:41:10.040 --> 00:41:14.360 there is so much evidence of millions and millions of Christians living in 433 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:19.320 these oppressed nations. But that pressure, that tribulation, it produces a 434 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:23.520 great apocalypse which causes a great awakening and that great awakening is 435 00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:28.320 what's coming forth. So what I am fully persuaded of is, I'm fully persuaded that 436 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:32.840 we're stepping into a season of unprecedented revival. Which means, 437 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:38.040 I talked about this in a session on unprecedented revival earlier in the 438 00:41:38.040 --> 00:41:44.040 school. And the unprecedented revival, I mean that looks like an explosion, an 439 00:41:44.040 --> 00:41:49.840 explosion of sons, the manifestation of the sons of God who are walking in 440 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:57.320 supernatural, mystical, extravagant love and power and intimacy and union and 441 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:04.960 dominion. Like the Saints of old, like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Francis of 442 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:14.880 Paola, St. Xavier Francis and all of these guys who just walked in extreme, 443 00:42:15.040 --> 00:42:20.320 extreme intimacy and radical power. Well I'm talking millions of those guys. As we 444 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:25.360 step into unprecedented revival, millions of those guys. Just a world like we've 445 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.600 never seen before. Where unprecedented revival bursts forth into the seven 446 00:42:29.600 --> 00:42:33.800 mountains and we have sons ruling and reigning in power and love from the top 447 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:37.360 down. And I believe we are going to disciple nations. I believe we are going 448 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.720 to step into the fullness of Daniel 7 27 that says his kingdom will be an 449 00:42:42.720 --> 00:42:48.000 everlasting kingdom and every ruler will worship and obey him. So my 450 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:53.760 perspective is a very, very victorious, exciting perspective of where things 451 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.640 will go. I believe there is already massive persecution and tribulation and 452 00:42:58.640 --> 00:43:02.440 trial. And I believe that we're going to see more of that. But ultimately the 453 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.720 heart of the Father is to restore all things. Ultimately the heart of the 454 00:43:06.720 --> 00:43:10.920 Father is to see sons step into that place of dominion where we rule and 455 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.400 reign in power and love from the top down over nations. And you're seeing this 456 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:20.440 now as well. There's so much revelation coming from God about how to redeem the 457 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:25.040 environment. How to redeem, you know, things that have been polluted. Things 458 00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:29.240 that have been destroyed. But there's this massive release of technology from 459 00:43:29.240 --> 00:43:35.000 heaven that's producing a redemption of environments. And it's simultaneously 460 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:40.480 producing a massive wealth transfer to the sons of God. So I'm excited for sons 461 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.400 to be stewarding trillions of dollars. I'm excited for sons to be stewarding 462 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.400 nations. I'm excited for sons to be ruling and reigning in power and love 463 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:56.200 over whole nations. So my thoughts on what we should be expecting. When Jesus 464 00:43:56.200 --> 00:44:00.320 slots back into the return or not, I'm not sure. Some people think that Jesus, 465 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.560 well, I mean Acts kind of implies that Jesus waits for the restoration of all 466 00:44:04.560 --> 00:44:10.800 things to return. Other people have different perspectives on that. I've 467 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.040 heard a great quote by Bill Johnson once he said that Jesus is coming for a bride 468 00:44:15.040 --> 00:44:21.280 whose body is in proportion to her head. You know, Jesus is the 469 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:26.240 head, we're the body. Or Jesus is the groom, we're the bride. And he's coming 470 00:44:26.240 --> 00:44:34.000 for a spotless bride. A bride that was without spot or wrinkle. And that's 471 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.880 going to be us walking in our identity. That's going to be us manifesting our 472 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.520 sonship. That's going to be us discovering bridal intimacy and stepping 473 00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:47.720 into that in extravagant ways. So I'm excited about that. Yeah, I'm very, very 474 00:44:47.720 --> 00:44:52.440 passionate about that concept that of the increase of his government 475 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.680 and shalom, there will be no end. And I like Psalm 2 as well. Psalm 2 says, 476 00:44:56.680 --> 00:45:01.840 ask of me and I will give you the nations as an 477 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.680 inheritance the ends of the earth as your possession so I feel like let's 478 00:45:04.680 --> 00:45:08.520 charge down in that direction something else that on that front that I'm really 479 00:45:08.520 --> 00:45:15.040 passionate about is I've done a session on I've done a session on with you guys 480 00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:23.560 on the kingdom of Solomon and systemic revival I am really fully persuaded that 481 00:45:23.560 --> 00:45:27.920 the kingdom of Solomon one it was the greatest expression of heaven on earth 482 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:33.860 that we've ever seen and two I'm fully persuaded that it's not supposed to be 483 00:45:33.860 --> 00:45:39.080 the greatest expression that there ever is I believe that you know the he saves 484 00:45:39.080 --> 00:45:42.800 the best for last there should be a great climax we should supersede we 485 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:47.320 should go above and beyond what the kingdom of Solomon ever touched on 486 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.920 experience so I'm really excited for a massive massive awakening of sonship a 487 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:58.160 global viral awakening of sonship that changes world history forever that 488 00:45:58.160 --> 00:46:01.800 literally changes things I believe that in the future we're going to look back 489 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:07.160 on these days of revival as though they were the dark ages so I'm excited about 490 00:46:07.160 --> 00:46:13.040 that yeah I'd love to hear your guys thoughts as well what do you think about 491 00:46:13.040 --> 00:46:23.400 the end times what are you yeah what do you think about the end times guys be 492 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.520 cool to hear your thoughts like I said you know there's lots of conversations 493 00:46:26.520 --> 00:46:29.880 there's lots of thoughts around this it's been over 2,000 years of 494 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:33.880 conversation so great to have dialogue here what are you guys thinking on that 495 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:38.120 we should we can just chat through that you know as we go through the week as 496 00:46:38.120 --> 00:46:41.760 well what are your thoughts on the end times where are things going are you 497 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.200 depressed about it are you scared about it are you excited about it are you 498 00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:49.400 exhilarated by it do you want to be a part of it do you not want to be part of 499 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:55.160 it whoa what are you thinking what's gonna happen I'm excited I'm really 500 00:46:55.160 --> 00:47:04.480 really excited for what God has in store for us just checking Janet's sorry 501 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:19.400 Angela's post here sweet okay that's cool sounds like Angela's happy with the 502 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:27.320 answer for her question and then let's check out Papa Dean Papa Dean says I 503 00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.400 feel there's a reformation happening around the world with theology coming 504 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.360 back into correct focus do you want to briefly comment from your travels about 505 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:43.320 the extent of this Papa Dean great great comment mate yeah we are we are in a 506 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:50.440 massive season of reformation this yeah I think in the last session I talked 507 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.480 about how yeah in a thousand and fifty four AD there was the east-west schism 508 00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.520 and it was a huge break and it was a break in theology between Orthodox 509 00:48:00.520 --> 00:48:04.720 theology and Augustinian theology and there's never been any reconciliation 510 00:48:04.720 --> 00:48:10.480 Augustine basically or Augustine basically crushed the the concepts of 511 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:15.160 Orthodox you know Greek Orthodox theology in the West and so the Western 512 00:48:15.160 --> 00:48:22.760 Church came under this Augustinian spell well since a thousand and fifty four AD 513 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.480 there's never been a day where the resurgence of the teachings of the early 514 00:48:28.600 --> 00:48:35.200 Church Fathers has been sweeping through the Western Church like this as it is 515 00:48:35.200 --> 00:48:41.800 now there's never been a day like this in in you know in world history this is 516 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:48.080 we're in we're in unprecedented times realistically theologically we really 517 00:48:48.080 --> 00:48:54.160 are in unprecedented times because Augustinian thought had basically 518 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:58.720 entranced the Western Church and we're in a season now where the Western Church 519 00:48:58.720 --> 00:49:04.960 is going whoa hang on we're waking up we're getting out of this some some 520 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:10.200 really interesting things are happening there's actually an exodus at the moment 521 00:49:10.200 --> 00:49:20.000 there's an exodus of Christians from the church which I'm in one way I'm not too 522 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:25.480 concerned in another way I am really concerned about this I'm I'm not too 523 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:32.040 concerned in the sense of Christians leaving unhealthy communities and a lot 524 00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:38.960 of a lot of churches around the world are really unhealthy communities there's 525 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:43.040 a lot of manipulation and control because of this Augustinian thought 526 00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:48.880 there's a lot of orphan behavior remember the orphan the orphan way is the 527 00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:54.440 inability to receive divine love perfectly and the inability to give 528 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.600 expression to divine love so there's a lot of there's a lot of mess in the 529 00:49:58.600 --> 00:50:01.920 church right 530 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:08.000 In one sense, I'm not opposed to people leaving unhealthy communities and going in search 531 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.640 of healthy communities. 532 00:50:10.640 --> 00:50:17.280 I think that's a good thing and realistically across the board all around the world, I haven't 533 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:22.480 gone everywhere, but I've seen this more and more, a trend of Christians leaving unhealthy 534 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:29.800 communities, but there's also in this dynamic, some people are doing it for good reasons, 535 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.000 some people are doing it for bad reasons, but there is at the moment an exodus of Christians 536 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:42.920 from the church, but one thing that I do have an issue with is that we're stronger together, 537 00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:49.240 and something that Christians are becoming disconnected from is that Jesus has a purpose 538 00:50:49.240 --> 00:50:56.240 for your local geographical area where he's planted you, Jesus has a really strong purpose 539 00:50:56.240 --> 00:50:57.240 for that. 540 00:50:57.240 --> 00:51:02.360 He wants to reach that community, he wants to reach that area, and isolated Christians 541 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.320 are easy pickings for the enemy. 542 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:11.200 Isolated Christians, if we have 100 Christians in a community, only 10 of them go to, let's 543 00:51:11.200 --> 00:51:18.440 say 20%, or let's just say 50% of the Christians go to church, so you've got 100 Christians 544 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:22.520 in a community, you've got 50 in the church, and there's probably going to be some mess 545 00:51:22.520 --> 00:51:23.520 there, right? 546 00:51:23.520 --> 00:51:28.960 But you know that messy church of 50 believers is quite possibly actually going to have more 547 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:34.480 impact on the community because of the synergy, because of being stronger together, because 548 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:40.000 of pooling their resources, because of pooling their service and pooling their desire to 549 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.040 see heaven on earth, there's probably going to be more impact for the cause of Christ 550 00:51:45.040 --> 00:51:49.880 of bringing heaven to earth through a community that's a slightly broken community, a community 551 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.560 that has some issues to work on, a community that has some mess in it, there's probably 552 00:51:53.560 --> 00:51:58.680 going to be, there's a potential for heaven to come through there, still be established 553 00:51:58.680 --> 00:52:01.440 well through that community. 554 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.120 Having said that, there's also tons of church communities where it's so messy that they're 555 00:52:07.120 --> 00:52:08.720 actually doing more harm than good. 556 00:52:08.720 --> 00:52:13.920 I've seen that in real life and it's really heartbreaking to see that. 557 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:20.800 So having said that, there's a movement of Christians pulling out from the church, but 558 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:25.020 unfortunately a lot of those Christians are getting isolated, they're getting disconnected 559 00:52:25.020 --> 00:52:29.480 from the purpose, from the cause, from the calling, from the mission and the mandate 560 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:35.920 of Jesus Christ to reach their local community and to work together to produce a synergy 561 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.680 to bring heaven to earth. 562 00:52:38.680 --> 00:52:45.920 Another dynamic of that, Papa Dean, on that thing that I'm seeing though is that you're 563 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.840 also simultaneously, you are having a reformation of theology that's producing sonship and that 564 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:59.120 reformation of theology is actually producing a big change in what community looks like. 565 00:52:59.120 --> 00:53:04.040 So we're simultaneously, we're seeing an exodus from the church and we're seeing some people 566 00:53:04.040 --> 00:53:08.960 kind of getting lost in the way in that, but we're also seeing these beautiful, healthy 567 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:16.200 moments where sons are gathering and they're creating amazing communities which are really, 568 00:53:16.200 --> 00:53:22.560 really infused with the cause of bringing heaven to earth, with the cause of the expansion 569 00:53:22.560 --> 00:53:24.920 of his government and shalom. 570 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.640 So that's really exciting, but there really is, like never before in world history, a 571 00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:37.440 movement, a theological reformation, a theological movement that is sweeping through the Western 572 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:45.160 church and awakening people to the original thoughts of the church. 573 00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:48.240 The shack, for example, has been really powerful on that. 574 00:53:48.240 --> 00:53:54.400 If you've seen the movie The Shack, the movie The Shack communicates Trinitarian theology 575 00:53:54.400 --> 00:54:00.760 or it communicates the theology of the Eastern Orthodox Church, the early church fathers. 576 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.520 Millions of people have been impacted by The Shack. 577 00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:09.400 Millions of people have been impacted by this Trinitarian theology sweeping through the 578 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:10.720 Western church. 579 00:54:10.720 --> 00:54:13.000 We talked about it earlier in the 1920s. 580 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:18.760 It was Karl Barth who was the major pioneer of bringing Eastern Orthodox thought back 581 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:25.480 into the Western church and then he discipled some theologians, not just the Torrance brothers 582 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:33.080 from Scotland, but the Torrance brothers from Scotland became major catalysts and propagated 583 00:54:33.080 --> 00:54:36.920 this reformation through the Western church as well. 584 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:42.720 Now you've got guys like Baxter Kruger and Paul Young, even John Crowder, so many others 585 00:54:42.720 --> 00:54:47.440 as well all around the world that are getting on board, that are catching this revelation 586 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:53.000 and spreading it and people are catching it, which is really, really exciting. 587 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.240 I think that it's just the start. 588 00:54:55.240 --> 00:54:59.960 We're going to see so much of it and I think God's really going to deal with 589 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:07.440 with church as well. I think God's going to deal with a number of 590 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:13.000 issues. I think God's going to deal with unhealthy churches. I think that's 591 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.600 part of what he's doing. I think that's part of what the Sonship Reformation is 592 00:55:16.600 --> 00:55:21.320 about, is actually restoring the divine dance back into church, about the 593 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.640 restoring the divine life back into church. So I'm excited about that and 594 00:55:25.640 --> 00:55:30.840 then something that I'll say, and I've said this before as well, is that in this 595 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:39.680 process of reformation, reformation is notorious for being done badly and 596 00:55:39.680 --> 00:55:50.200 reformers are notorious for being abrasive and offensive and dishonoring. 597 00:55:50.200 --> 00:55:59.200 Reformers throughout history have had a lot of major issues. John Knox, he was 598 00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:04.360 quite a volatile reformer. You might have heard of John Knox or seen places like 599 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:09.440 Knox College after the Scottish reformer John Knox, but he called for the Queen's 600 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:14.520 head. He was like, oh my gosh this Queen's a heretic, we should lop off her head. 601 00:56:14.520 --> 00:56:21.560 Whoa! I think calm down a little bit in the process of reformation. 602 00:56:21.560 --> 00:56:25.680 Reformation history is notorious for being messy and for a lot of 603 00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:31.040 dishonor and for a lot of offense to be in it, but I think for us in this season 604 00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:36.920 one of the most important things to carry in the process of reformation is 605 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:42.160 that we bleed love. If people attack us for being heretics, which is a pretty 606 00:56:42.240 --> 00:56:48.360 common thing if you're doing something new, if you're doing anything for God, and 607 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.320 something I said earlier as well, but something I've learned in 608 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:58.280 studying Christian theology and theology throughout Christian history is that it 609 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:02.800 doesn't matter what you believe, it doesn't matter what your perspective is, 610 00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:06.320 whether you are right or whether you are wrong, whether you're a little bit right 611 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:11.080 or really right, whether you're a little bit wrong or if you're 612 00:57:11.080 --> 00:57:14.720 really wrong, it doesn't matter what position you hold on the spectrum of 613 00:57:14.720 --> 00:57:20.480 Christian belief, everybody is somebody's heretic. Whatever you believe, somebody 614 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:25.600 thinks you're a heretic, and if you start sharing that loud enough, sooner or 615 00:57:25.600 --> 00:57:28.840 later people are going to get opposed to what you're sharing. Sooner or later 616 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:35.200 people are going to get angry with what you're bringing, but it's so 617 00:57:35.200 --> 00:57:38.600 important for us in the season just to bleed love. So important for us in this 618 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:46.560 season to walk with honor, and whatever we do, whatever we say, be people who are 619 00:57:46.560 --> 00:57:52.960 walking with honor, and when you cut us we bleed love, and we're honorable because 620 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.680 we're honorable people, not necessarily because of other people's behavior. So 621 00:57:56.680 --> 00:58:02.040 hope that's valuable for you guys, would love to hear some of your thoughts as 622 00:58:02.040 --> 00:58:04.920 well, some of your interactions, what do you reckon about my thoughts, do you 623 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:09.520 think I'm way off the mark, or do you have other perspectives, I'd love to hear 624 00:58:09.520 --> 00:58:16.400 you guys chirping in, sharing what you're thinking, what you're processing. I'll 625 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:24.440 just chuck out there as well, maybe this thought, I would 626 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:32.440 suggest that you don't let your theology be two clicks deep, 627 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:36.600 don't let your theology be two clicks deep, and what I mean by that is some 628 00:58:36.600 --> 00:58:41.160 people now have theology that's two clicks deep, they did two Google 629 00:58:41.160 --> 00:58:46.480 searches, they clicked on Google, they 630 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:51.200 searched restoration of all things, then it popped up on Wikipedia, and they 631 00:58:51.200 --> 00:58:55.800 clicked it, and boom, they got their definition of their theology from 632 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:01.080 Wikipedia after two clicks, so it's only two clicks deep. Be a 633 00:59:01.080 --> 00:59:05.480 person who really searches it out, for me I spent seven years really searching 634 00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:09.600 out this concept of the restoration of all things, what does that mean to me, 635 00:59:09.600 --> 00:59:17.320 what do I think about it, and even having spent years and years investigating 636 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:27.240 theology, I hold my theology lightly in one sense, because what I don't hold 637 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:32.280 lightly is I don't hold the pursuit for truth lightly, to me the pursuit for 638 00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:36.880 truth is ultimate, but I think that we have to hold our current perspectives 639 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:41.880 lightly, because I might learn something, I might learn something next week that 640 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:46.320 changes my perspective, I've had that experience so many times now 641 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:50.080 where I've learned something that's changed my perspective on what I used to 642 00:59:50.080 --> 00:59:54.120 believe, and things that I've preached in the past I no longer agree with 643 00:59:54.120 --> 01:00:01.840 myself, and so I hold the pursuit for truth as ultimate. 644 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.560 most and I don't take myself too seriously in the process and I'm pretty relaxed about 645 01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:12.660 having conversations with people and sharing the journey and sharing the process with people 646 01:00:12.660 --> 01:00:20.280 and I haven't done all the exploring that you could do on the restoration of old things, 647 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:25.680 I've definitely explored that a lot and even that concept has a lot of thoughts and I've 648 01:00:25.680 --> 01:00:29.960 shared with you that there were some things that Oregon did that were really commendable, 649 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.400 there were some other things about the life of Oregon that you would think, oh man some 650 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:42.840 of that stuff might be a bit way off, so just take what you've heard and go deeper on it, 651 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:48.920 meditate on it, research it, don't just learn what to think, I'm not trying to teach you 652 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:54.560 what to think, I'm just trying to give you information that helps you go deeper in learning 653 01:00:54.560 --> 01:00:59.520 how to think and how to process all of these things, so that'll be the thing I'd just like 654 01:00:59.520 --> 01:01:04.480 to finish up with you for tonight is don't just learn what to think, I'm not trying to 655 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:10.640 spoon feed you, I'm trying to give you some information that will catalyse your growth, 656 01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:15.720 that will get you asking questions and searching and going deeper and get you trying to figure 657 01:01:15.720 --> 01:01:21.640 out what you believe for yourself, so love you guys, we'll look forward to seeing you 658 01:01:21.640 --> 01:01:29.480 on Saturday and I'm going to do another session on Saturday about kingdom building community, 659 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:34.480 next week we're going to talk about supernatural stories which will be fun, if you've got a 660 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:39.240 testimony that you want to share it would be great to hear some testimonies, we could 661 01:01:39.240 --> 01:01:44.960 start doing some lives as well about testimonies you've got about supernatural stories and 662 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:50.240 Jesus doing supernatural things, I'd love to hear some of your amazing testimonies of 663 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:55.640 what Jesus has been doing in your world, I had a supernatural testimony yesterday in 664 01:01:55.640 --> 01:02:02.080 a pub which left some ladies really, really rocked by the love and the power of Jesus, 665 01:02:02.080 --> 01:02:07.120 I'll hopefully share that with you next week as well, but love you guys like crazy, blessings 666 01:02:07.120 --> 01:02:13.160 on everything that you're doing and we'll catch you Saturday, I'm also having a bit 667 01:02:13.160 --> 01:02:21.560 of a worship time tomorrow with some of our crew and I think that I'll see how it goes 668 01:02:21.560 --> 01:02:25.920 but at some point tomorrow morning around 10 o'clock, maybe 11 o'clock, somewhere between 669 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:31.360 10 and 12 o'clock we'll be having worship time, so I might just set this up to go live 670 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:38.320 while we're having our worship time, it's going to be a relaxed acoustic freestyle type 671 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:44.480 of worship, so if you're keen for some worship then feel free to join in, then love you heaps, 672 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.960 bless you and catch you soon, see you!