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All right, all right, so this is what we're going to do.

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I'm going to start jumping into first of all I just want to see if anybody has any questions about the offer because you guys are VIP you've got to get in a taste of what the protection portal is like you've got a little bit of a taste of it.

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Okay, because the protection portal.

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It's a lot of like the interaction of what we've been having here, it's very similar to that.

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But at the same time, a lot of what you'll see in the Facebook group the private group is people write down specific scenarios that they're going through and they'll say, you know, I'm bringing this book forward I'm meeting with this publisher he's asking

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me about this thing. Is this an issue is that not you know so it's very detailed. Again, it's not legal advice right because we don't we don't do any legal stuff because I'm not allowed to do legal advice for people that aren't clients, but obviously

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in the audit.

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In the audit, it's all legal advice. That's all it is like I'm telling you exactly what things will be best to do what things not to do, laying out the entire game plan for you giving some estimates of cost.

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Now just to be clear, if you do the audit that doesn't mean you need to do legal work with me.

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Right. I don't want people to think that hold it if I do the audit does that mean I have to do everything on the audit with him. No, you can deal with me or somebody else.

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I have many lawyers that I've been mentoring over many years, and all over the world.

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So, you can even work with your own lawyers, but still jump into the audit to get a fresh set of eyes on your circumstances and learn everything right and get a strategic plan.

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Alright, so with that, I don't, it doesn't seem like everybody has any questions on it. So, I think it's pretty self explanatory anyway. Are they under your umbrella at the new firm.

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No, no. So, I'll tell you a little bit about my new firm.

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So what I did was pretty much every one of my clients is going, so now I have my own firm.

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Right. I have an entire paralegal team, Black Hills IP, which is many different paralegals that are handling like the filings of certain things, but then separate from that I have my own personal paralegal.

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I also have an administrative assistant, that's going to be there as well. Ray is going to be helping as well in the law firm. Go Ray! Entering into the legal world, you go girl!

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And so, Ray is going to be helping out there too.

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To make it too fun!

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Yeah, we're going to have a blast. We're just going to have a blast.

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And then separate from that, my old law firm in Atlanta, Georgia, was called Thomas Kaden Horstmeyer Risley. They're called Thomas Horstmeyer now. They have 33 IP attorneys.

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When the founder Scott Horstmeyer found out about this, he said, if you ever need any support, you can work with any one of our 33 attorneys.

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So now I have support by 33 attorneys on top of the firm that I'm building.

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So it's just, it's an act of God. It's just an act of God, because this stuff is not, you know, I wrote this in a book, somebody would say, yeah, fiction.

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So, so we're very fortunate. We're very fortunate. And so I'd love to share that with all of you, help you any way I can, because I want to make sure you guys do well.

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All right. And with that, yeah, favor. Yeah.

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Very blessed. All right. So with that, let me start out by just seeing, does anybody have, oh, April has her hand up.

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Do you have a question?

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I do. I have a question about the group first.

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Yeah, sure.

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Good.

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And that is just how large is the existing group? I didn't catch that.

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Yeah, good question. So it's 60, so far it's 60 people that are in the existing group.

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And some of them are coming up for renewal. I know some of them are definitely on it.

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Like now, some of them are renewing in November, some of them are renewing in January, others in like April, because it's, you get one year, when you join, you get a full year, based on when you jump in.

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So it's not a calendar year, like it's a full year from when you join.

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So right now, I think it's like 60.

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We have 63 in the Facebook group, but we have about 77 members. You know, it's not, everyone's on social media, but as far as we know.

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I think there's probably 63 that are actually members, and then there's some people that I kind of put in there.

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And then the foundations and IP, it's brand new. Peter's never offered this before.

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Oh, yeah, that's never happened.

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That's right. So that's for the protection portal itself, that's how many people are there.

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And what you find, like some might think, well, if it gets too big, is my question going to be answered, right? Some people might ask that.

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And so what I'm actually doing is, if it hits 100, I start another group.

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So each group will have a maximum of 100.

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So this way, like if...

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If we hit, let's say, because we have about 70-something people

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who are in this challenge right now, I think, something like

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Yeah, we're over 70.

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Is it?

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Yeah, so that are in the challenge.

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So let's say that 25 people take the offer,

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then we're still under the 100, right?

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And the good part is that you get

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to email me your questions before we actually

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have the session.

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So I can look at them and see which ones should

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we hit in this session, and then I actually

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cover what people are emailing on.

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Plus, there are some hot seats that take place, too.

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But I'd say the thing that's really, really neat

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is that a lot of people that are in there,

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there are some people that ask a lot of questions,

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but there's a good number of people

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that are there to just soak.

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Like you can see, they just soak and soak and soak.

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And so you don't have a situation at all.

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Ray can tell you, or Larissa can tell you,

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you don't have a situation where there's like 4 billion

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people raising their hands.

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That's not.

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Right, it's more community-based,

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and everyone's helping each other.

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And it's like one thing you can't really stress enough,

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is it's all about like we are really like a tribe.

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So it's beautiful.

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What Peter created, it just became,

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it took on a form of its own, and it's amazing.

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So everyone does help each other.

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There's no extensive overlap.

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And you also have the ability to, like with the portal,

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the tribe social to even see if you wanted to go back

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and archive old videos as well.

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Like you said, you'll have an option

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to reach out to us about that.

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So there's just a lot of different options

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to make sure that you're covered in all directions.

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And the audit also,

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you get the direct questions with them as well.

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Yeah, that's the thing I liked about the audit

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is it's no longer, well, I emailed my question.

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I hope it's answered or whatever.

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It's like, no, it's one-on-one.

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It's, oh, that's the other thing.

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The audit is not a group event.

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This is not like here.

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It's one-on-one.

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We sit down alone.

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It's legal consultation.

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So Alyssa, Allison, go ahead.

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Sorry.

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Did April say she had another question?

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Oh, did you?

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Yeah, go ahead.

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I did have a question about actual IP stuff,

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but I didn't know if there were any other questions

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about the offer.

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And the question I had was one

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that I had put on the Facebook group

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and several other people seem to be wanting to know

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also with course creation.

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Yes.

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Just copyright, trademark for online courses.

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What are your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, that's one of the main topics we're covering today.

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Yeah, we're going into that in detail.

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Terrific, thanks.

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Because I want to talk about evergreen stuff.

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So we're going to hit evergreen stuff right after.

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Once we're done with this, we're going into that.

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Perfect, thank you.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Allison, go ahead.

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I just remembered that you said earlier

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that you saw something in the spirit

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that you were going to share.

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I thought, no, maybe.

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I thought I did share it.

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I don't think they knew what you were sharing,

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but I think it was a remembrance.

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Yeah, no, I shared.

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In the moment, I shared it.

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So I didn't hold it back.

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I shared it during the moment.

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So I'll go back in the video and I'll listen to it

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and I'll see if there's something extra that was there.

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But I'll go back and listen to it, Allison.

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You know me, so I'll go back and listen to it.

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Yeah, and then I did.

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I talked with Ray about doing ACH

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instead of doing the card,

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because I have a small bank

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and I moved across the country

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and my card didn't make it with me.

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So I just wanted to do that

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to make sure that I got myself up there.

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Yeah, yeah, I think, Ray, we can do that, right?

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Yeah, I think that we can find a way,

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if not, maybe invoice with Stripe,

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but we'll figure it out and we'll honor the deadline

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when they're here with you, because you're trying.

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Yeah, I was like, the second you put the link in,

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I was like, click, oh no, so, okay.

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Yeah, there's a few people that did that right away.

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They were like, click, click, yeah.

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Yeah, we got some opponents, they're signing up,

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we're so excited.

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Well, it's a true blessing that,

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that just so everybody understands,

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I couldn't do this before

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because my law firm wouldn't allow me to do this, right?

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Because it's essentially offering legal services.

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And so you're not allowed to offer legal services like this.

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And so they didn't really understand this,

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what we're doing.

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And so I tried to explain it,

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but then there was some concern with,

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hold it, you're working with people

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who are just starting out,

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we wanna kind of do patents for multiple people

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and like high volume.

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And I'm like, I don't think you see the big picture.

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So as I need to do this on my own.

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So that's part of why now I have the freedom

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to do whatever I want.

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I mean, although just to be clear,

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my firm is amazing, like great people,

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incredibly smart, brilliant people.

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So I'm not saying anything bad about the people,

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they just don't understand the challenge industry.

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So it is what it is.

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Tom, did you have a question?

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about the offer? No, it wasn't about the offer. Okay, so it's a later. Okay, sure. I do have a

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question I would message that would be good to cover here. Does the offer include my business

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partner instead of my spouse? That's a great question. Okay, let's talk about that for a minute.

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Yes. Okay, all right. Now, just let me qualify this, okay? Because some people try to take

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advantage of this in a weird way, all right? So if it is your business partner, meaning same

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business, all right? Then, yes, you can bring your business partner in. I'll allow that. That's

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fine. We'll do that. We'll make it work for you, okay? Because then what a blessing would be if

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you both knew things, right? What you cannot do. Let me just qualify what you cannot do,

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right? Your business partner, if your business partner is involved in another company, your

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business partner can't bring information about the other company, can't ask questions about the

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other company. That wouldn't be fair to the people that are there because you essentially

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would be doubling up, right? The other thing is you have to like collaborate on your questions.

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You can't double up on your questions. I've seen that happen. It's kind of cute when you watch it,

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but then you're thinking, hold it, that's not fair to other people. So what I would say is if you're

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bringing a business partner, I will honor that because I want you to succeed. If that's not clear,

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let me say it. I really want to see you succeed. That's why we're doing this, okay? It's very

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important that you guys do well. So it just makes sense that if you're married, your spouse is there,

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or if you have a business partner, your business partner's there, right? But just again, as a

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qualifier, one business, not multiple businesses that you're asking questions about. And then

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finally, just try not to double up on things. So my partner's Bob. Bob says, I've got a question.

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And Peter asked the question right after it's like, just try to be courteous to others. That's

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all. So besides that, yeah, I'll honor it. I'll do it. But what you need to do though, is you need

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to email Ray or myself and let us know who that person is because they're not going to be able

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to get in because we don't have their name. So we need to get their name inside of our active

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campaign so that we can start sending them the, you know, the invitations to things and the reports

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on things because they never signed up. So this way we'll be able to do that for them. Okay. Does

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that make you guys happy? You guys okay with that? You want that? All right, cool. So your partners

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are in. All right. Let's start talking. Was there any other questions before I jump into the legal

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stuff? I think we're good. Okay. We are good to rock and roll. Time to start cranking. All right.

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Let's talk about online courses, which ironically April raised up, which is exactly what we're

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covering because it's a really important issue. And there's a few people that have,

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actually there's a lot of people that have questions in this area. So if you have online

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classes, there are live classes and then there are recordings, right? Okay. So they're like

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streaming, live streaming, and then there are recordings, right? Both of them potentially

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have copyrightable, are potentially copyrightable works. The recordings definitely are copyrightable

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works. No brainer. That's easy. What about live streaming? It needs to be some kind of,

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it needs to be fixed, right? So at some point, if we're live streaming into Facebook, if Facebook

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has a copy of it, then by all means it's fixed. It's a copyrightable work, right? So if you're

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doing live performances and there's a recording of a live performance, that's copyrightable work.

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presentation and there's a recording, that's a copyrightable work. Okay. So if you have an

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evergreen course, let me talk about evergreen. Does everybody know what an evergreen course is?

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There may be some that don't. Okay. That's cool. Yeah. I see some that aren't sure. So let me just

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explain it. So let's say that you've been doing some training and you decided to take those

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trainings and make them available online where you can actually go and purchase it. Purchase like five

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days of training and it's just, it's just there. It's available. Now you go on Facebook and you

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start running ads for that training. Somebody clicks on the link for the ad. The clicking on

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the link for the ad brings them to the course. They sign up for the course. Now it is readily available,

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right? You can watch the videos. There's day one, day two, day three, day four, day five.

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And the fee is $4.95. It's not 95 bucks for a live thing. It's $4.95, right?

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That's called an evergreen.

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what's protectable for the evergreen?

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any of the handouts that you provide,

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what happens quite often is when you have an evergreen,

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you also have a link for materials, right?

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All those materials are protectable under copyright law.

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Okay, now your evergreen course may have a name.

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That name for your evergreen course

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is protectable under what?

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Somebody type in the chat.

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Trademark, exactly, very good, very good, guys.

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I just, I love this, you guys are so smart.

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You know what I'm gonna do tomorrow?

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I have a scenario that I'm gonna share

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with all of you tomorrow.

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I'll post it tonight,

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and then tomorrow we'll look at the scenario,

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and I wanna see just how many IP issues

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you guys can spot in the scenario.

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Just so you guys can be impressed,

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when you look at it, you'll go,

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whoa, that's trademark, that's copyright,

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that's trade secret, that's a,

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like you'll just know, boom, boom, boom, boom,

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is that you can issue spot, right?

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it's that you know that there's an issue.

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that knows what they're doing,

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or you can do more research.

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if you don't know you have a flat tire,

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you may be burning out your rims, right?

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is probably a good hint

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that something's wrong with your tire, okay?

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oh, there's a copyright issue here, got it.

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Now you can actually speak to somebody about it.

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Okay, so we talked about the recording that's there, right?

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We talked about the title of the course, right?

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That's protectable by trademarks.

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Any of your materials are likely protectable

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under copyright law, okay?

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and they, let me just ask you a question.

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They take your recordings from your videos

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and they take their cell phone

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and they go over to the app for recording, right?

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Here's the app for recording, Voice Recorder.

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And as it's playing, they hit record.

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They're recording it.

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What area of law is that a violation of?

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Just type it in chat.

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Copyright law, exactly.

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That's a violation of copyright law.

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So if you do have an Evergreen,

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people cannot transcribe it.

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People cannot do audio copies of it.

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They can't download the videos.

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Even downloading the video is copyright infringement.

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And you need to make that clear on your,

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this is something we jump into in detail

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in the protection portal and other places.

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So let me just give you a hint,

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like kind of a preview to it.

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If you're gonna do online content, you need disclaimers.

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You need policies.

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Like you have to lay out your policies and procedures

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and you need your disclaimers, all right?

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People need to understand what they can

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and cannot do on your site.

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And you should actually have it so that

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they need to select, if they're going to purchase from you,

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they need to select like either e-sign

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or check a box that says that they understand legally

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what they can and cannot do, okay?

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You should have those terms and conditions

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associated with your Evergreen product.

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There should be a terms and, again,

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I'm gonna say it slow because this is really important.

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People do this wrong.

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There should be a terms and condition portion

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to your Evergreen product.

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It should say how they can use it, how they can't use it.

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And then what you can and can't do,

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it should specify no copies, no audio copies,

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no video downloads, no transcription.

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Like those are all violations of copyright law, okay?

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So you wanna make that clear

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and you can either have them e-sign it, right?

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Electronically sign when they make the purchase

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or you do what I did, which is I have on my,

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before you actually sign up for VIP,

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there is a button there that says,

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you understand this is not legal advice.

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You actually could not subscribe.

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Yeah, I know.

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You actually could not subscribe unless you could not be here unless you checked that box.

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So every one of you has signed essentially a disclaimer.

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I made sure of that, right, because I don't want to be potentially held liable for anything that I say.

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Everybody understands this is quote-unquote entertainment purposes.

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It's for you to do a future review. And it always, as I always say, talk to your lawyers.

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Now, granted, I've been doing this 25 years, but the whole point is you want to be smart.

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So if you have evergreen material. Again, make sure you have a terms and conditions clause.

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All right. And don't just have it on your site. Make them sign it.

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Like make them before they on the credit card form have a box there.

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That's that. You know, you have to check it saying that they understand the terms and conditions.

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You have read the terms and conditions. Yes or no. Click. Yes.

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If they don't click on that thing. Nope. You can't register. Right.

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Why? Because what you've created is extremely valuable.

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Some of you like creating these courses and it's like it's taken you years to fine tune them.

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So why in the world would you give the thing away like that? That's just that wouldn't be the smart thing to do.

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So for that reason, I would have terms and conditions. Does that make sense to all of you?

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Yeah. OK. Pamela. Oh, my gosh. It's Pamela. I'm here.

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You thank you. Thank you. It was my stupid other Facebook.

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I'm here, but I have a kind of a complicated question. So please, we like complicated questions.

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Well, as for me, it's hard for me to say it. OK, so here we go. I'm in a group.

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I'm paying somebody for being in their group. In the trainings and in the group, if I accidentally,

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even though they warned us and said, be careful what you say when you don't talk about, you know, keep everything private and stuff.

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All of a sudden you spit out something. Shouldn't we in a group such as all?

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I mean, do we all sign a protection? Piece of paper from me and the other person.

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Say there's 10 people in a course. This is such a good question, Pamela.

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We get protected in that course. Yeah. From the things that I might spill out.

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Right. And that somebody doesn't go, OK. And then they're taking my domain name because I haven't got to it yet because I had this creative moment.

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But I was there. So that's a good question. So thank you. I just really.

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This is why. See, there's this balancing test, like we're trying to provide an environment where people feel safe to share,

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but at the same time, we have to be cognizant or aware that there is a thing called intellectual property.

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And so there's a balance test. You have to determine, well, do I want to allow complete freedom for people to say anything they want?

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Do I want to limit what they say and then potentially have less people participate? Right.

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Or do I want to have maybe a non-disclosure agreement that everybody who signs up that's in this group has to sign a non-disclosure agreement or NDA and an NCA, which is non-disclosure and non-compete agreement.

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Right. So if you hear somebody say something, you agree that you're not going to steal their idea.

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Right now, if it's in a group setting, the beauty of a non-disclosure and a non-compete agreement is that it's recorded.

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So if, you know, if Tom says, you know what, I've got this brand new engine for cars and it works on water.

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Right. And people like, whoa, hold on.

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Now, I'd be frustrated with Tom because, I mean, you know, if I came up with an invention like that, I'd retire to a place like Hawaii.

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He's already in Hawaii. So why does he need a good idea? That's all I'm saying.

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But anyways, you know, I digress. Yeah, you're in Hawaii, too. Right.

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So but the whole point being that with a non-disclosure, non-compete agreement.

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Yes. The beauty of that is that and if it's also recorded and you can see, oh, yeah, Tom mentioned a combustion engine that's utilizing water.

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And all of a sudden, Peter does the exact same thing, like, oh, you signed a non-disclosure, non-compete.

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Here's the recording of the session and it shows that Tom's the one who revealed it.

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You know, so it's it may be a good way to kind of control that environment or at least make people more concerned about revealing.

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But at the end of the day, it's a balance.

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because us as individuals, I think I've kind of shown you how I try to control how much you reveal

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here, right? You notice I don't let people start talking about their inventions. Second somebody

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tries to, I said, well, let's talk theoretically. Don't tell me that you have a new heat-sensitive

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device associated with cell phones, so all you do is you wave at your cell phone and boom,

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it turns on, right? Like, don't tell me that. Just say, hey, I've got a new technology that

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works in telecommunications, right? So that's what we do. We try to keep it top level. So in

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your situation, Pamela, if you're running the group, like there's a difference between running

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the group and being in the group, right? If you're running the group, I'll speak to everybody here

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because some of you are coaches, actually a lot of you are coaches. If you're running a group,

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you may want to have a non-disclosure non-compete with all the people that sign up

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if you want to have a freedom to talk a little more. Now, here's the problem, though.

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Patent law, which we're going to talk about tomorrow as we're closing up copyrights,

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doesn't care if you have a non-disclosure agreement in place or not. If you disclose something,

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right, in certain foreign countries, certain foreign countries have an absolute non-disclosure

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requirement. And if you disclose it, they do say that if you have an NDA in place, then it's okay,

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it's not considered a disclosure. But in the United States, they don't honor non-disclosures

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when it comes to disclosure. So in the United States, when you reveal something,

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right, let's say you offer something for sale. If I offer you my cell phone, Pamela, in our group

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session, I offer you my cell phone for sale. Whether I have a non-disclosure agreement or not,

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the clock just started. I have one year to file a patent application. If I don't file that patent

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application, it's considered donated to the public. All right, that means it's gone. It's gone.

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Somebody's got feedback. Well, the other question too. Oh, it's you. All right, hold on. Pamela,

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hold on a second. I was trying to figure out where we were getting the background noise.

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Go ahead and unmute. Can you hear it on mute? Yeah. There you go. Okay, go ahead.

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So say that I'm not the coach in this particular... You're the participant.

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Mm-hmm, participant. Yes. We did a non-disclosure, but we didn't do a non-compete.

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Yes. And so is that wise to ask and say, should we sign a non-compete in the group?

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Well, again, it always depends upon the forum you're in, right? So I'm a member of 100X,

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right? Love the people, incredibly brilliant. People share ideas there all the time. And it's

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kind of like the environment. It's just the environment that's there, but you just got to

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be cognizant of IP issues. So you know what you can say and what you can't say. And since you've

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been in the Protector Idea Challenge, you know not to go into, well, there's a PN junction that's

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provided on this microchip fabrication. And so therefore the silicon does... Don't do that.

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Just say, I've got a new microchip, period. That's it. You know better, right? And so everybody who

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has been in the Protector Idea Challenge knows enough to know what they can and cannot say in

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that environment. So you should feel completely free and breathe well and say to myself, hold it.

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I know that I'm not going to mention my exact trademark because I'm concerned that somebody's

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going to go buy the domain name and somebody else might file for it as an intent to use application.

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So I'm not going to mention the exact trademark. And I'm not going to mention all the details

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of my invention because I know that if I offer it for sale, then the statutory bar starts. You

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have knowledge that 90% of the people in that room don't have. So for your purposes, whether

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you sign a non-disclosure or non-compete or a repeat or a net repeat, doesn't matter because

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the fact of the matter is you know where the law stands. So you're fine. You know what you're going

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to disclose and you're not going to disclose. Does that make sense? Yeah. And so it's up to me.

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I need to be the big girl here and just be the responsible. I would say this much. When I'm in

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somebody else's environment, I never try to push forward my will upon them, right? I try to honor

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what they're doing. I try to like kind of. Now, if I have an opportunity to speak into somebody,

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I share. But it's their environment. It's not mine. So if I've got like

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Russell Brunson, if I'm in one of his events or if I'm in a mastermind or whatever,

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and I see people just like it's just.

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it's just IP regurgitation. Like it's just bad. Like it's, I

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mean, literally, I'm cringing as I'm seeing these people talk,

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and I'm like,

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and people are going, what's wrong? I'm saying, I've

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literally seen millions of dollars being thrown away in

442
00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:21.680
this last five minutes, like, but the fact that matter is, I'm

443
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.520
blessed that I have that knowledge, right? I can share

444
00:30:25.520 --> 00:30:28.360
that knowledge with others. I can say, hey, you know, maybe

445
00:30:28.360 --> 00:30:31.600
instead of going into intricate detail on your invention is what

446
00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:34.800
you do as a coach. You say, hey, maybe instead of going into

447
00:30:34.800 --> 00:30:37.680
intricate detail on your invention, what you can do is

448
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.480
talk about it at a top level. Instead of saying, instead of

449
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:46.160
saying I've created tires for a bicycle with a disc, just say,

450
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:51.640
I've got a new I got a new tire that harnesses wind that allows

451
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:56.000
you to go faster. Now people are like, Whoa, you got what? Like,

452
00:30:56.040 --> 00:30:58.880
how in the world to do that? Well, you're gonna have to wait

453
00:30:58.880 --> 00:30:59.920
till the product comes out.

454
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.640
Oh, that's a good line. I like that.

455
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.440
Yeah, now all of a sudden you gain interest, but you didn't

456
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.880
disclose everything. That's the way I would handle those

457
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.960
situations. I never tried to push to push my agenda upon

458
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.200
others. Okay. But at the same time, I am now cognizant I do

459
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.080
understand something that I can share with others, but I would

460
00:31:21.080 --> 00:31:23.600
never talk to the others say, No, don't say anything. Don't

461
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.280
I, I would say more of why don't you talk about it at a top

462
00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:31.960
level. And I'll explain what a top level means. Right. And, and

463
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.880
I can tell you like, as a fact, I mean, in a number of the

464
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:39.160
environments that I'm involved in right now, I'm just gonna

465
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.120
mute you because there's some background. Um, so a number of

466
00:31:43.120 --> 00:31:46.640
the people that are in these groups, when I'm in groups with

467
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.280
them, now they're identifying the issues, like they're coming

468
00:31:49.280 --> 00:31:52.760
out and saying, Oh, man, I can't tell you exactly what I'm doing,

469
00:31:52.760 --> 00:31:56.920
because I might run into a patent issue. And I'm like, go

470
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:02.040
go. It's awesome. Yes. So the word is spreading people are

471
00:32:02.040 --> 00:32:05.240
becoming educated, which is such a blessing. That's why I asked

472
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.040
people to spread the word about this so we can help others. So

473
00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:13.480
alright, with that, let me go to Tom, do we we didn't answer your

474
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.000
question? Yeah, what's your question, brother?

475
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.360
All right. Yesterday, we had brought up this subject that

476
00:32:21.360 --> 00:32:24.640
we're going to talk about today. And that is, as authors, as

477
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:29.000
course developers and stuff, we often quote other authors. And

478
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:35.040
you're saying there's a right way to do that. Right? Yeah. And

479
00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:37.840
you say you're going to talk about that today. Yeah. So if

480
00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:40.960
you're referencing, and there's actually I actually found the

481
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.760
article that I wanted to drop for you guys. So I'll drop it

482
00:32:43.800 --> 00:32:47.160
today. So you guys have it right afterwards. There's an article

483
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.360
that actually shows you how much you can take there's, there's a

484
00:32:50.360 --> 00:32:53.560
balance test, the balance test basically says, if you're

485
00:32:53.560 --> 00:32:57.000
trying to talk about, let's say there's a newsworthy thing, and

486
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.280
you're grabbing some of the text to say, you know, Steve said

487
00:33:00.280 --> 00:33:04.720
this today, and then you cite to it. And then you give the

488
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.720
reference for where it is where it came from. Right? And you're

489
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:11.440
talking about it. It's like newsworthy. It's like, it's a

490
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.920
discussion of what they've done, right of what they said, right?

491
00:33:15.080 --> 00:33:19.720
That's very, there's a balance test between that and quoting

492
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.520
stuff from a book, in which case you'd fall into copyright

493
00:33:23.520 --> 00:33:28.520
infringement. It's, it's a delicate line. And the article,

494
00:33:28.560 --> 00:33:32.000
I think does a good job of saying just how much you can

495
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.360
take, because in my mind, I may think it's copyright infringement

496
00:33:36.360 --> 00:33:39.200
in your mind, you may think it's not right. And so the question

497
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:43.040
is, how's the court going to interpret the use. And so the

498
00:33:43.040 --> 00:33:46.040
general rule, the general rule is, if you're just grabbing

499
00:33:46.040 --> 00:33:50.240
somebody's stuff, and you're pasting it here, that in general

500
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:55.680
is not allowed, right? But if you're, as an example, I'm a

501
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.400
litigator, right? So when I file a pleading, I'm constantly

502
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:04.000
citing cases, like I'm citing cases left and right, and I'm

503
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:08.280
citing books and textbooks and, and like technical journals,

504
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:14.679
and I'll, I'll say, you know, the, the 2015, volume two issue

505
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:19.719
of the IEEE, you know, defines such and such as, quote,

506
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.920
unquote, I'll use that language, that's actually permissible. But

507
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.199
if I go and I take like a large portion of IEEE, and just paste

508
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.080
it into my book, you know, into my into my document, that can be

509
00:34:31.080 --> 00:34:33.440
considered copyright infringement. So that there's a

510
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.840
delicate way of exactly how to do it, where it's a cross

511
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.520
reference to something else, which is necessary, so as to

512
00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:43.880
bring forward a point, right. And what I found is that article,

513
00:34:44.080 --> 00:34:47.880
it does a good job of kind of distinguishing the two. And I

514
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.080
can tell you, honestly, as a litigator, somebody who, like

515
00:34:51.080 --> 00:34:55.440
handles this, there, there is an area that's kind of a murky line,

516
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.120
where people go from citing stuff to

517
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:03.120
who grabbing stuff so they can use it

518
00:35:03.120 --> 00:35:05.360
and make themselves well-known.

519
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.760
There's a very delicate line between the two.

520
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:10.600
And so that's why I say,

521
00:35:10.600 --> 00:35:13.720
if you find yourself doing those cross-references,

522
00:35:13.720 --> 00:35:16.480
like talk to a lawyer about your exact scenario,

523
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:19.280
like show them, like this is what I'm doing.

524
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.840
And just because there's an area

525
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.480
where there's a lot of lawsuits happening

526
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.680
and that's where people are not just citing

527
00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:28.360
for reporting purposes and comparative purposes,

528
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.360
they're actually trying to take,

529
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.520
it's almost like an attribution

530
00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:33.760
and they're trying to take advantage

531
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.760
of what the other person provides.

532
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.760
And that shady line is where all the lawsuits happen.

533
00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:43.520
And I wouldn't want that to happen to any of you guys.

534
00:35:43.520 --> 00:35:46.120
So I'll publish the article.

535
00:35:46.120 --> 00:35:47.320
I'll publish the article.

536
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:48.240
I'll drop the link

537
00:35:48.240 --> 00:35:50.400
so I don't get into copyright infringement.

538
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:54.080
That's all we need.

539
00:35:54.080 --> 00:35:54.920
In the news,

540
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.640
Peter Nieves, founder of Protect Your Idea Challenge,

541
00:35:57.680 --> 00:35:59.280
sued for copyright infringement.

542
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:00.560
Not a good idea.

543
00:36:00.560 --> 00:36:02.920
Not a good promotional ad, all right?

544
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.040
So I'll drop that for you tonight

545
00:36:05.040 --> 00:36:05.920
so you have that time.

546
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:07.360
And then if you have further questions,

547
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.520
we can talk more, okay?

548
00:36:09.680 --> 00:36:14.680
But it's very fact-specific, very fact-specific.

549
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:17.960
Can't say that fast, geez.

550
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:18.880
Yeah, that's a good one.

551
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:20.640
Because when I talk to other people,

552
00:36:20.640 --> 00:36:23.280
that question comes up all the time.

553
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.360
So I quoted a poem by somebody

554
00:36:28.040 --> 00:36:30.920
and a poem's copyrightable material.

555
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.080
But you want to share a beautiful poem with your people.

556
00:36:36.120 --> 00:36:37.200
See, you can't do that.

557
00:36:37.200 --> 00:36:38.040
See, that's the thing.

558
00:36:38.040 --> 00:36:39.280
What you just said is,

559
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.160
I want to share a beautiful poem with my people.

560
00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:44.800
That's different from citing to a line of something

561
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.400
for analysis purposes or discussion purposes

562
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:48.960
or reporting purposes.

563
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.520
That's actually, I want to share it with my people.

564
00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:52.680
Well, then buy the book.

565
00:36:52.680 --> 00:36:53.520
That's what they'll say.

566
00:36:53.520 --> 00:36:56.760
Buy the book, buy the poem, buy the journal

567
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.520
so that the person who created the work

568
00:36:58.520 --> 00:37:02.080
can receive the financial gain for what they've produced.

569
00:37:02.080 --> 00:37:03.720
That's how the government looks at it.

570
00:37:03.720 --> 00:37:08.360
So there's a delicate line between reporting

571
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.960
for discussion purposes and grabbing stuff

572
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.800
so as to share with others,

573
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.360
which is copyright infringement.

574
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.200
Very delicate line, very murky, lots of litigation.

575
00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:22.280
I try to tell people stay far,

576
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.280
far away from there as you can.

577
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:26.960
But if you're doing something like a report,

578
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:28.360
people do reports all the time

579
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.080
and they cite to a certain part of something, right?

580
00:37:31.080 --> 00:37:34.480
But a report is, it's referencing something

581
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:35.880
to support an argument.

582
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.080
It's not grabbing stuff so as to bless their people

583
00:37:40.080 --> 00:37:42.400
with additional material in their book.

584
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.480
That's copyright infringement.

585
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.200
Again, it's a fine line.

586
00:37:46.200 --> 00:37:48.360
You have to understand just how far you can go.

587
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.720
And let me add one more thing.

588
00:37:51.720 --> 00:37:55.240
Bible, Bible verses, okay?

589
00:37:55.240 --> 00:37:57.040
Let me talk about that for a second.

590
00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:01.840
If you're looking at like old school Bibles

591
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.000
that have been around for hundreds of years,

592
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.480
the original King James,

593
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.080
there's no trademarks on those things anymore.

594
00:38:08.080 --> 00:38:10.120
I mean, no copyrights on those things anymore.

595
00:38:10.120 --> 00:38:12.360
Those are long gone, right?

596
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.360
Copyrights are long gone, okay?

597
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.160
But there are newer Bibles

598
00:38:18.160 --> 00:38:21.080
that have copyrights associated with them.

599
00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:22.120
So you gotta be careful.

600
00:38:22.120 --> 00:38:23.920
I know there's some people here that do ministry,

601
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.440
some people here that are having sessions

602
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.680
where they're praying for others, blessing others,

603
00:38:29.680 --> 00:38:32.960
which is great by all means, that's phenomenal.

604
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.960
Problem is you can't create a handout

605
00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:40.320
or whatever you want just grabbing texts

606
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.920
from other people's books.

607
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.040
That's copyright infringement.

608
00:38:43.040 --> 00:38:46.400
Now, if you look at something like the Passion Translation,

609
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.160
the Passion Translation,

610
00:38:49.160 --> 00:38:53.720
if you look at the rights associated with the book,

611
00:38:53.720 --> 00:38:55.280
it actually tells you in there,

612
00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.280
I don't know how many words or passages it is,

613
00:39:00.680 --> 00:39:03.560
but you're allowed to cite up to a certain amount.

614
00:39:03.560 --> 00:39:06.480
You're allowed to copy up to a certain amount

615
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.640
from the Passion Translation.

616
00:39:08.640 --> 00:39:12.680
Look at the book, look at the Bible that they have, right?

617
00:39:12.680 --> 00:39:13.960
And when you look at it,

618
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.400
you'll see in the terms and conditions for it

619
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:17.520
that they actually tell you

620
00:39:17.520 --> 00:39:22.520
that you can grab so much from their Bible

621
00:39:24.520 --> 00:39:27.600
and they're not gonna sue you, right?

622
00:39:27.600 --> 00:39:31.640
So don't assume because it's the word of God

623
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.160
that it's free for everybody, right?

624
00:39:36.160 --> 00:39:37.280
Jesus is free.

625
00:39:38.520 --> 00:39:43.520
That Bible that you probably just bought is not free, okay?

626
00:39:43.520 --> 00:39:46.520
So there's a big difference between the two, right?

627
00:39:46.520 --> 00:39:47.960
Even though he is the word made flesh,

628
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.360
but that's the subject for another day, okay?

629
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.320
So the whole point, oh, is that right?

630
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:54.280
Larissa, is that right?

631
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.280
250 verses?

632
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.480
It went up then.

633
00:39:59.240 --> 00:40:00.080
Well, this is.

634
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.880
The vote I'm looking at in my hands, copyright 2018.

635
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:04.760
Okay.

636
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.440
And it says up to 250.

637
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.960
And then it tells you how you can quote it.

638
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:10.800
Okay.

639
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.600
Non-salable media, blah, blah, blah.

640
00:40:12.600 --> 00:40:15.040
And that's towards the beginning?

641
00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:17.560
That's the passion translation, yeah.

642
00:40:17.560 --> 00:40:20.320
Yeah, it's towards the beginning of it, Larissa?

643
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.000
Right on the backside of the title page

644
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:24.320
before the table of contents.

645
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.340
Yep, there you go, see?

646
00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:28.120
So there you have your terms and conditions.

647
00:40:28.120 --> 00:40:29.060
There's a confirmation.

648
00:40:29.060 --> 00:40:31.780
You get your terms and conditions right there in front.

649
00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:34.580
So you can figure out how much you can use,

650
00:40:34.580 --> 00:40:37.580
how much you can't use, just by looking right,

651
00:40:37.580 --> 00:40:41.280
right where the copyright typically is in a book.

652
00:40:43.020 --> 00:40:43.860
Here's one.

653
00:40:46.740 --> 00:40:48.500
Your copyright notice.

654
00:40:51.020 --> 00:40:52.140
There's so many of these.

655
00:40:52.140 --> 00:40:53.340
All right, so let's see.

656
00:40:54.660 --> 00:40:55.980
Here's another one.

657
00:40:56.980 --> 00:40:59.340
And your copyright notice is literally

658
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:01.160
like on the back of page one.

659
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.580
So on your back of page one, you'll see there,

660
00:41:06.140 --> 00:41:09.540
this is the Life Application Study Bible, right?

661
00:41:09.540 --> 00:41:13.900
New American Standard Bible, copyright 2000.

662
00:41:15.020 --> 00:41:18.260
And underneath there, you'll see permission to quote.

663
00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:19.500
Oh, this is so good.

664
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:20.340
You're awesome, Jesus.

665
00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:22.540
All right, so it says permission to quote.

666
00:41:22.540 --> 00:41:23.780
Here you go.

667
00:41:23.780 --> 00:41:28.300
It says, the text of the New American Standard Bible

668
00:41:28.300 --> 00:41:31.100
may be quoted and or reprinted

669
00:41:31.100 --> 00:41:35.980
up to and inclusive of 500 verses.

670
00:41:35.980 --> 00:41:39.300
Oh, you get more verses out of this one, Larissa.

671
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.980
You get 500 out of this one.

672
00:41:40.980 --> 00:41:45.500
So verses without express written permission

673
00:41:45.500 --> 00:41:48.340
of the Lachman Foundation.

674
00:41:48.340 --> 00:41:51.980
See, so it tells you if you want more,

675
00:41:51.980 --> 00:41:56.480
it tells you who you actually have to consult with, okay?

676
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.740
So what you do in your books,

677
00:41:58.740 --> 00:42:00.180
if you're quoting from books,

678
00:42:00.180 --> 00:42:02.440
they may have something like that.

679
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:03.820
They may have terms and conditions.

680
00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:06.940
So look in your book and see if there's something there

681
00:42:08.180 --> 00:42:12.260
that tells you you can use 10 pages, 15 pages,

682
00:42:12.260 --> 00:42:14.900
whatever it is, but I typically see it with Bibles.

683
00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:17.060
I don't tend to see it with textbooks.

684
00:42:17.060 --> 00:42:19.700
So is there a follow-up question

685
00:42:19.700 --> 00:42:22.540
to that specific thing on the Bibles in April?

686
00:42:22.540 --> 00:42:23.380
Go ahead.

687
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:26.820
I was gonna follow up

688
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:28.780
to the kind of what we were talking about before

689
00:42:28.780 --> 00:42:32.700
in terms of the one line or something like that.

690
00:42:32.700 --> 00:42:34.980
Inspirational quotes.

691
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:37.220
Like for example, you know, Pedro was quoting Disney.

692
00:42:37.220 --> 00:42:39.500
It's kind of fun to do the impossible, right?

693
00:42:39.500 --> 00:42:41.420
So this is like one thing.

694
00:42:41.420 --> 00:42:44.460
And it's not a heart of an entire work

695
00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:45.300
or anything like that.

696
00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:49.620
No, but it's, remember how I taught you

697
00:42:49.620 --> 00:42:51.420
about the essence of the copyright?

698
00:42:52.820 --> 00:42:55.420
So there's certain quotes that second you see the quote,

699
00:42:55.420 --> 00:42:57.060
you know where it came from.

700
00:42:57.060 --> 00:42:58.740
And so you gotta be careful.

701
00:42:58.740 --> 00:43:02.420
I'm not gonna speak towards what other people exactly do.

702
00:43:02.420 --> 00:43:07.420
I'll just say that like, you just, yeah.

703
00:43:07.740 --> 00:43:09.020
Next topic.

704
00:43:09.020 --> 00:43:11.660
So no, but the whole point being that

705
00:43:12.380 --> 00:43:16.900
if it's a famous quote and you're grabbing a famous quote

706
00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:18.540
and you're attributing it,

707
00:43:18.540 --> 00:43:21.740
I believe that article talks about famous quotes as well.

708
00:43:21.740 --> 00:43:24.860
So it'll, you know, if after you see the article,

709
00:43:24.860 --> 00:43:25.740
you still have questions,

710
00:43:25.740 --> 00:43:27.060
we can talk about it some more tomorrow.

711
00:43:27.060 --> 00:43:28.460
Okay, thanks a bunch.

712
00:43:28.460 --> 00:43:32.020
Yeah, it's an area that I've actually dug into myself

713
00:43:32.020 --> 00:43:33.700
trying to figure out how much can I do?

714
00:43:33.700 --> 00:43:35.420
How much can't I do?

715
00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:39.540
Because it's a very delicate and dangerous area.

716
00:43:39.580 --> 00:43:42.100
So, all right, Sylvia,

717
00:43:42.100 --> 00:43:44.940
I don't think I've answered a question from you.

718
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:46.220
Hi Peter, how's it going?

719
00:43:46.220 --> 00:43:47.180
And hi everybody.

720
00:43:47.180 --> 00:43:48.900
Good, good to see you.

721
00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:50.740
Yeah, it's nice to be here.

722
00:43:50.740 --> 00:43:55.740
I did a trademark search and it said dead and abandoned.

723
00:43:55.900 --> 00:43:57.700
So maybe other people have the same question.

724
00:43:57.700 --> 00:44:01.980
So I wanted to know what does that mean, you know,

725
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:04.380
in regards to possibly using that if it says dead

726
00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:07.540
and abandoned and really what's that all about?

727
00:44:07.540 --> 00:44:09.140
Let me, I'm gonna walk you through one.

728
00:44:09.740 --> 00:44:10.580
That's a great question.

729
00:44:10.580 --> 00:44:12.660
The word abandoned, what does that mean?

730
00:44:12.660 --> 00:44:14.860
So we talked a little bit about dead before,

731
00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:17.620
but we really didn't touch based on this abandonment thing.

732
00:44:17.620 --> 00:44:21.180
So let me take a second here to show all of you this.

733
00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:27.060
In just another little bit while you're on there,

734
00:44:27.060 --> 00:44:29.220
you also talked about a certain date

735
00:44:29.220 --> 00:44:31.700
and it had like all these numbers

736
00:44:31.700 --> 00:44:33.380
and I didn't know exactly how to read that.

737
00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:35.700
So maybe you could go back and just kind of go over

738
00:44:35.700 --> 00:44:37.540
the date of when something was established.

739
00:44:37.540 --> 00:44:39.180
So I know exactly how to decode that.

740
00:44:39.180 --> 00:44:42.060
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I'm happy to.

741
00:44:42.060 --> 00:44:42.900
Thanks.

742
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:47.300
Let me do, how about,

743
00:44:50.180 --> 00:44:52.260
I'm gonna think of a trademark where there's a lot

744
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:53.860
of things that are similar to it.

745
00:44:53.860 --> 00:44:54.700
Oh, I got one.

746
00:44:56.580 --> 00:44:57.740
Okay, I got one.

747
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.280
All right, so I'm going to do a search for a word that I know is used a lot.

748
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:09.200
But then I'm going to share my screen so you can see.

749
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:13.520
But then what I'm going to do

750
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:22.080
is I'm going to limit it to a certain class. So let's see if I put it in 009

751
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:24.960
as an international class. Let's see.

752
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:32.000
Okay, there's a good one. Yeah, I know there's a lot of trademarks for Aspire because one of

753
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:38.640
my clients went for Aspire. So here you see a number of dead. See on the right side here, dead,

754
00:45:38.640 --> 00:45:46.400
dead, dead, dead, right? Yeah. So I'm sure there's some of these that will be dead

755
00:45:47.680 --> 00:45:52.000
as abandoned. All right, here's a good example. All right, how do you know if it's abandoned?

756
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.600
Typically, if it says dead, but there's a registration number. See here, this is a

757
00:45:57.600 --> 00:46:03.280
registration number. So if you go all the way to the top, you'll see serial number. Every trademark

758
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:09.440
application that's filed receives a serial number automatically, okay? Whether you get a registration

759
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.720
or not, you always have a serial number. Second you file, boom, serial number. So these ones that

760
00:46:14.720 --> 00:46:22.240
are listed here, one, two, three, four, five here, these are all filed and they're recent

761
00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:27.680
because the ones that are at the top tend to be the more recent. As you go down, these are older,

762
00:46:27.680 --> 00:46:34.160
right? And you can tell by the numbers, the numbers are sequential. So the newer ones will

763
00:46:34.160 --> 00:46:38.560
have a higher number than the older ones, right? The older ones you'll see as you go down, you get

764
00:46:38.560 --> 00:46:42.720
more dead stuff. See, all dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, because they're old.

765
00:46:42.720 --> 00:46:48.400
They're all past 120 years, right? I'm just kidding. So they're all dead because of that.

766
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:52.960
So trademarks, by the way, can last forever. There's no expiration on trademarks.

767
00:46:54.320 --> 00:47:01.120
So why does something, if it's, why doesn't some have the registration number if they're

768
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:06.080
live? Yeah, that's what I'm going to show you right now. Okay, cool. So when you file,

769
00:47:06.080 --> 00:47:10.160
you automatically get a serial number. You don't get a registration number until it actually gets

770
00:47:10.160 --> 00:47:16.320
through the United States Patent and Trademark Office, right? Okay, so now this mark here,

771
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:22.080
you see it's alive. See, it says live. It has a registration number and it has a serial number.

772
00:47:22.080 --> 00:47:27.600
So that means it went through the whole examination process and the result was they got a

773
00:47:27.600 --> 00:47:32.400
registration. So they have a federal registration and it tells you that's alive. So that means that

774
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.600
it's still alive right now. Okay, so now if I want to find things that went abandoned,

775
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.440
that actually were registered at one point, then when I come down here, what I would look for is

776
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.360
something that has a serial number, which is everything. Everything has a serial number,

777
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:51.680
but I would look for ones that actually have a registration number.

778
00:47:53.040 --> 00:47:57.520
So if I look for a trademark that has a registration number that's listed as dead,

779
00:47:57.520 --> 00:48:02.160
that means that they abandoned it, right? Because it went through the United States

780
00:48:02.160 --> 00:48:07.920
Patent and Trademark Office. They got a registration and then after their registration,

781
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.200
something happened for that case to go dead. All right, now that action could be a few different

782
00:48:13.200 --> 00:48:18.080
things. It could be an affirmative abandonment, where somebody files a document with the United

783
00:48:18.080 --> 00:48:24.320
States Patent and Trademark Office to abandon it. It could be on top of that, it could also be

784
00:48:25.200 --> 00:48:32.240
a situation where somebody didn't pay the renewal fee, right? So that's another situation.

785
00:48:33.600 --> 00:48:39.920
Those are both different situations that you can have. Okay, so now let's look at this example here.

786
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:47.760
This one, NBCOT expire. Let's click on that one. So NBCOT expire. You see it's canceled,

787
00:48:48.720 --> 00:48:54.960
canceled, canceled. They first got a registration. They had a registration number,

788
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.840
but then it died. So we want to know why it died. So if you click on TSDR here,

789
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:08.080
it now takes you to this resource. So if I make this bigger so you can read it,

790
00:49:10.560 --> 00:49:16.560
here you go. Dead registration, canceled or invalidated. The trademark was registered,

791
00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:21.520
but subsequently it was canceled or invalidated and removed from registry.

792
00:49:22.720 --> 00:49:28.800
So it tells you that it either was canceled or invalidated, right? If you click on documents,

793
00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:39.200
here is your registration certificate they got in 2015. They received a courtesy reminder

794
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:46.400
of the renewal fee being due. It says, Courtesy Reminder Section 8. That's a renewal. They never

795
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:54.320
paid it, right? Since they didn't pay it, it says trademark registration maintenance document

796
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.720
under Section 8 must be filed before deadline or the registration will be canceled. See?

797
00:49:59.360 --> 00:49:59.840
So they didn't

798
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.560
pay it. So that means that the case went abandoned. Okay. Now,

799
00:50:04.560 --> 00:50:07.100
what does that mean to you that that's all a really nice story.

800
00:50:07.100 --> 00:50:09.560
You know, it's great. I understand. You know, now I

801
00:50:09.560 --> 00:50:13.720
understand how to tell whether or not something's alive or dead

802
00:50:13.720 --> 00:50:16.880
and what it means. But what does that mean to me? So let's say

803
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.520
you have a name. And you're interested in the name and you

804
00:50:20.520 --> 00:50:24.480
do a search and you say, Whoa, it says, abandoned canceled. How

805
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.240
do you know if you can use the name or not? Right? Correct. So

806
00:50:29.240 --> 00:50:33.360
one of the things that you do is today I showed all of you a

807
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:38.480
tool called the way back machine, right? So what you guys

808
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.720
can do is you can search on Google, obviously, or some other

809
00:50:41.720 --> 00:50:44.040
search engine, there's a lot of different search engines,

810
00:50:44.040 --> 00:50:48.160
everybody uses Google. But if you want to make sure that

811
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.840
people don't know about your searches and keep track of it,

812
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.840
there's what is it called? DuckDuckGo, I think is a

813
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.240
searching. I think there's a search engine called DuckDuckGo

814
00:50:59.680 --> 00:51:03.440
that legally is not supposed to keep track of all your searches.

815
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.960
Right? Which is helpful. If you're if you're coming up with

816
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.880
trademark ideas, and, you know, other things, and you don't want

817
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:14.480
people to keep track of it all. DuckDuckGo is pretty good. All

818
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:19.280
right, so. So now you're you're out there and you're, you do

819
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.520
Google search, and you see the company and you, their

820
00:51:22.520 --> 00:51:26.920
trademark was abandoned in 2015, it says, but you see, it's

821
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:31.800
on their website. So you got to realize that just because

822
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.000
somebody didn't pay the money to renew something doesn't mean that

823
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:36.760
they have no rights under trademark law.

824
00:51:37.240 --> 00:51:39.520
So it's a common law, they're still using it.

825
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.480
Could be, you don't know, right. So if, if it's on their website,

826
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.080
still, and they're selling products, still, they may have

827
00:51:47.080 --> 00:51:51.360
rights under common law. In which case, because you've been

828
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.200
in this challenge, you now realize just because I did a

829
00:51:54.200 --> 00:51:56.320
quick search, and I didn't see something doesn't mean I can

830
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.880
just go out there and start doing the same thing. Right. So

831
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:02.320
you might want to check that out, look it up and see, hold

832
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:08.560
it. Hmm, was abandoned 2015. It's all over their website. I

833
00:52:08.560 --> 00:52:10.880
just did a search on eBay. They're selling products with

834
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:16.680
that same name. Stay away. Okay. Yeah. What is the website is no

835
00:52:16.680 --> 00:52:20.600
longer in service? That's a good question, Tim. Yeah. What if the

836
00:52:20.600 --> 00:52:25.880
website's no longer in service? That's a great question. Yeah, I

837
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:32.800
mean, you can do you can do other searches, you don't. The

838
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.600
searches that I do as an attorney, they're they're kind

839
00:52:35.600 --> 00:52:39.880
of expensive. All right. So like I can do surveys, I can do other

840
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.080
things. I have resources that do that. I wouldn't suggest you go

841
00:52:43.080 --> 00:52:46.200
using those like they're like $15,000 to do research on

842
00:52:46.200 --> 00:52:49.200
companies like you know, you don't need to do all that. But

843
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.360
I'm sure there's like less expensive resources that are

844
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.680
available to determine whether or not a company is still using

845
00:52:55.680 --> 00:52:59.960
a trademark or not. I mean, as a as a as a final alternative, you

846
00:52:59.960 --> 00:53:03.040
could call the company. If you're not using it yet, right?

847
00:53:03.040 --> 00:53:06.800
If you're already, it's probably a bad idea to call the company

848
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:11.680
because now you become a target. Right? So if I'm using the MSIP

849
00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:14.960
and somebody all of a sudden calls me up says, Hey, how are

850
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.240
you? I'm like, Hey, how are you? Um, yeah, Peter, do you have

851
00:53:18.240 --> 00:53:24.440
us right? Yep. I'm just curious. Are you using the MSIP? Why are

852
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:31.080
you asking? Oh, yeah, just you know, um, well, I was nice

853
00:53:31.080 --> 00:53:34.760
outside. I go walk my dog. I click like literally, I'm like

854
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:38.520
trace the number now, figure out where they work, and then look

855
00:53:38.520 --> 00:53:40.680
up that company to see whether or not the committee trademark

856
00:53:40.680 --> 00:53:44.880
infringement, the second that I find out about that, right. So

857
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:49.200
for that reason, you got to be careful. Like don't don't go. I

858
00:53:49.200 --> 00:53:52.440
tell people don't go randomly calling up people because you

859
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.280
think you can have you know, like a kumbaya moment. It's

860
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.600
like, sometimes people don't want to roast the marshmallow in

861
00:53:59.600 --> 00:54:02.280
the fire. They want to roast you in the fire. Right? So I'd be

862
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:07.200
careful. So in your scenario, if you have a trademark that looks

863
00:54:07.200 --> 00:54:10.040
like it's abandoned, it looks like it's safe. If you're not

864
00:54:10.040 --> 00:54:13.120
using it yet, you can do further searches on Google and other

865
00:54:13.120 --> 00:54:16.120
stuff. It still looks good. You're still a little concerned

866
00:54:16.120 --> 00:54:19.240
you can call them up. So hey, I'm thinking of using this

867
00:54:19.240 --> 00:54:22.280
trademark here. I see you had a registration a long time ago. It

868
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.080
doesn't seem like you're using it. We just want to make sure

869
00:54:24.080 --> 00:54:27.000
it's safe. You know, we just want to give you a courtesy

870
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:31.920
call. Now here's the thing. If you're kind of concerned that

871
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:36.160
maybe they are using it, then if they're on the phone, they say

872
00:54:36.160 --> 00:54:40.840
Yeah, Sylvia. Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead. No problem. We got no

873
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.360
problems. Go ahead. God bless you. Hope your business does

874
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.360
well. You're like, okay, well, I'm going to follow that up with

875
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.160
a letter. Can you please, you know, just confirm that, you

876
00:54:52.160 --> 00:54:55.440
know, you're okay with this? You know, and if you're really

877
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:57.960
concerned, then ask your lawyer about what's called a covenant

878
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:58.800
not to sue.

879
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.540
right? Now you reach out to your man, this is this is good

880
00:55:03.540 --> 00:55:06.740
stuff. This is valuable stuff. So I'm just it just hit me what

881
00:55:06.740 --> 00:55:11.180
I'm telling you guys here. Like, this is good stuff. So like you

882
00:55:11.180 --> 00:55:14.820
could actually ask your lawyers for a covenant not to sue. Get

883
00:55:14.820 --> 00:55:18.780
the other side to sign off on a covenant not to sue. Now you're

884
00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:22.740
golden. Now it's like if there's somebody, why do you do a

885
00:55:22.740 --> 00:55:24.660
covenant not to sue with a company? The reason why you do a

886
00:55:24.660 --> 00:55:27.540
covenant not to sue with a company is because, you know, you

887
00:55:27.540 --> 00:55:31.740
might be best friends with Mike, but someday Mike might

888
00:55:31.740 --> 00:55:36.720
sell the company. And so all of a sudden, you know, Sarah owns

889
00:55:36.720 --> 00:55:40.380
the company. And Sarah looks at the company and says, there's

890
00:55:40.380 --> 00:55:42.980
some good assets here. Here's a trademark here that we haven't

891
00:55:42.980 --> 00:55:45.860
been using for years. And, you know, it looks like this other

892
00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:51.300
party's using it here. I want $15,000. And you're like, but

893
00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:54.180
no, Mike said I could use a trademark. She's like, who's

894
00:55:54.180 --> 00:55:58.380
Mike? Well, Mike was a former CEO. I don't care. I own the

895
00:55:58.380 --> 00:56:02.140
company. Now. This is my IP. But if you have a covenant not to

896
00:56:02.140 --> 00:56:06.140
sue, anybody who's buying the company will likely be subject

897
00:56:06.140 --> 00:56:08.300
to the covenant not to sue because it's associated with the

898
00:56:08.300 --> 00:56:11.060
company, not the individual. That's another thing is when you

899
00:56:11.060 --> 00:56:14.100
build agreements, don't lock them to just individuals lock

900
00:56:14.100 --> 00:56:17.900
them to companies. Right. And the best situation is lock the

901
00:56:17.900 --> 00:56:21.260
companies and the individuals. Now all of a sudden, you're

902
00:56:21.260 --> 00:56:25.380
like, kitchen, I do whatever I want. You can't do jack or jill.

903
00:56:26.580 --> 00:56:30.020
Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. Cool. Thank you so

904
00:56:30.020 --> 00:56:33.700
much. You're so welcome. You're so welcome. All right, let me go

905
00:56:33.700 --> 00:56:42.980
to Srida. How are you? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm good.

906
00:56:42.980 --> 00:56:46.100
I'm good. What can I do for you? I just had a question. Um,

907
00:56:46.140 --> 00:56:49.140
absolutely. So I noticed that in our conversations, the terms,

908
00:56:49.420 --> 00:56:56.220
like PLR, creative commons, and public domain hasn't come up. So

909
00:56:56.220 --> 00:56:59.820
I'm just wondering how, you know, those terms fit into this,

910
00:57:00.060 --> 00:57:03.740
this universe of IP and, you know, what we should look out

911
00:57:03.740 --> 00:57:04.220
for.

912
00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:05.700
One second.

913
00:57:05.700 --> 00:57:18.940
All right, because there's, why don't you elaborate? You

914
00:57:18.940 --> 00:57:21.340
mentioned PLR, and there's a number of different versions of

915
00:57:21.340 --> 00:57:23.020
PLR. So what do you mean by PLR?

916
00:57:23.660 --> 00:57:28.980
So PLR is like, like private label rights. Yeah. You know, so

917
00:57:28.980 --> 00:57:31.900
and there are all these websites that sell these PLR products,

918
00:57:31.900 --> 00:57:36.860
they're like PLR courses, you know, worksheets, printables,

919
00:57:37.380 --> 00:57:41.580
books, even, and, and people sell these in like mass, you

920
00:57:41.580 --> 00:57:44.740
know, some of these packages are like 1000s and 1000s of, you

921
00:57:44.740 --> 00:57:49.020
know, books and documents. So I'm just wondering, because

922
00:57:49.020 --> 00:57:53.020
there are some, you know, business coaches who encourage

923
00:57:53.020 --> 00:57:55.900
people to create membership sites, you know, with PLR, you

924
00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:58.660
take the PLR, and then you just, you know, put it into your

925
00:57:58.900 --> 00:58:00.900
membership site. And

926
00:58:03.340 --> 00:58:06.300
yeah, and that's where you get to modify stuff. Yeah, I know

927
00:58:06.300 --> 00:58:10.420
what you're referring to. So the there's different. Okay, so

928
00:58:10.420 --> 00:58:15.020
there's, I don't want to confuse people. I know, you're really

929
00:58:15.020 --> 00:58:17.340
savvy. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna answer your question and try not

930
00:58:17.340 --> 00:58:19.420
to confuse people that don't understand what you're talking

931
00:58:19.420 --> 00:58:23.460
about. Because there's, there's PLR, which is where you have,

932
00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:26.100
like, there's, there's kind of like a commodity there, you give

933
00:58:26.100 --> 00:58:28.500
people the rights to modify things, right. But if they

934
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:31.220
modify things, there are certain rights that are associated with

935
00:58:31.220 --> 00:58:34.340
the modified things, right. But then there's things called open

936
00:58:34.340 --> 00:58:38.380
source, open source is where somebody has something that's

937
00:58:38.380 --> 00:58:41.820
available, you can utilize it at any time. If you add something

938
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:44.860
to it, there's different degrees of open source. I'm sorry, if I

939
00:58:44.860 --> 00:58:49.740
confuse somebody, but she asked, so I'm gonna jump in. Right,

940
00:58:49.740 --> 00:58:52.580
that's for other people, other people, you know, you can follow

941
00:58:52.580 --> 00:58:56.180
if you can. So open sources, there's the degrees of open

942
00:58:56.180 --> 00:58:58.940
source, right. So there's open source code, which falls under

943
00:58:58.940 --> 00:59:02.300
copyright law, right. So now you can grab this code anytime you

944
00:59:02.300 --> 00:59:05.340
want. But there's, there's this body of law that says, if the

945
00:59:05.340 --> 00:59:08.460
open source touches something that is private, what's private

946
00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:12.100
becomes open source. So now anybody can utilize what you

947
00:59:12.100 --> 00:59:15.700
added the open source to, but there's different levels of open

948
00:59:15.700 --> 00:59:19.220
source. So there's like the one where if it touches, if it

949
00:59:19.220 --> 00:59:22.060
touches your code, it all belongs to the public. And then

950
00:59:22.060 --> 00:59:24.780
there's a different one that doesn't work that way. So with

951
00:59:24.780 --> 00:59:27.900
regard to what you're talking about, in those kinds of

952
00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:31.300
situations, you've got like multiple works in one group,

953
00:59:31.300 --> 00:59:35.500
people can grab some of this stuff, modify it, right. But

954
00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:38.180
then there's usually some kind of terms and conditions as to

955
00:59:38.180 --> 00:59:41.820
what happens with the modified work. Because technically,

956
00:59:42.220 --> 00:59:46.340
technically, if you've got, like, let's say like paintings,

957
00:59:46.340 --> 00:59:49.180
right? Or let's say there's a lot of different paintings, and

958
00:59:49.180 --> 00:59:51.940
you say, well, you can come in here, you can grab whatever

959
00:59:51.940 --> 00:59:54.460
material you want, you can modify it, if you so like,

960
00:59:54.660 --> 00:59:56.940
there's usually some kind of terms and conditions associated

961
00:59:56.940 --> 00:59:59.900
with this says what, what happens to the legal rights and

962
00:59:59.900 --> 01:00:00.400
so on.

963
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.080
associated with that.

964
01:00:01.080 --> 01:00:05.320
Cause any modification is considered a derivative, right?

965
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:06.440
Yeah.

966
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:07.960
And the only person who has the right

967
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.840
under derivatives is the copyright holder.

968
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:16.880
So what you can have on some of those situations

969
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:19.380
is you can have a situation where somebody says,

970
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.680
I'm gonna let anybody utilize this.

971
01:00:22.680 --> 01:00:26.040
I'm not gonna sue you if you utilize it.

972
01:00:26.040 --> 01:00:27.880
But if you modify it,

973
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:31.080
you now have to make that readily available to other people

974
01:00:31.080 --> 01:00:34.360
or they could have it so that if you modify it,

975
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.200
you give a license back to the original artist

976
01:00:38.160 --> 01:00:39.000
or they can do it.

977
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.480
They can do a lots of different things in those groups.

978
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.400
So if you have a lot of material,

979
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.600
let's say you have a lot of poems, a lot of books,

980
01:00:47.600 --> 01:00:52.520
a lot of artwork, whatever it is,

981
01:00:52.520 --> 01:00:54.600
you can create a group like that

982
01:00:54.600 --> 01:00:56.520
and say, this is, this is under Sridhar.

983
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.320
This is our, this is the label for this, right?

984
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:00.640
You would come up with a different trademark

985
01:01:00.640 --> 01:01:04.040
so you can own it yourself and you would have that there.

986
01:01:04.040 --> 01:01:06.120
And then other people would come in, they can modify it,

987
01:01:06.120 --> 01:01:08.500
they can do whatever they want, right?

988
01:01:08.500 --> 01:01:10.880
But the problem is any new work,

989
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:13.440
you need to define what happens with the new works.

990
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:15.640
Does that make sense?

991
01:01:15.640 --> 01:01:18.000
So you need to define,

992
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.040
even though people can grab it and modify it,

993
01:01:20.040 --> 01:01:22.320
you have to say anybody who grabs stuff

994
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.940
from my private label, group,

995
01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:28.560
anybody who falls into this category,

996
01:01:28.560 --> 01:01:30.620
this is what happens to all derivative works.

997
01:01:30.620 --> 01:01:31.820
You have to say it.

998
01:01:32.740 --> 01:01:33.580
Okay.

999
01:01:33.580 --> 01:01:36.720
Because it's not like, it's not like everybody will know.

1000
01:01:36.720 --> 01:01:39.540
You have to define your own rights.

1001
01:01:39.540 --> 01:01:40.380
Okay.

1002
01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:43.900
So then if I'm using a PLR site,

1003
01:01:43.900 --> 01:01:45.940
then I just have to look into the terms.

1004
01:01:45.940 --> 01:01:48.220
I would look into the terms and conditions.

1005
01:01:48.220 --> 01:01:49.980
Yeah, I would look into terms and conditions

1006
01:01:49.980 --> 01:01:52.940
because in general, in general,

1007
01:01:52.940 --> 01:01:54.220
they have all this information

1008
01:01:54.220 --> 01:01:56.540
and people can grab some of this stuff

1009
01:01:56.540 --> 01:01:59.740
and even market it as their own stuff.

1010
01:01:59.740 --> 01:02:04.740
But the issue is that if you modify something

1011
01:02:04.740 --> 01:02:08.960
that essentially can be considered a derivative work.

1012
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:10.700
So I would look at the terms and conditions

1013
01:02:10.700 --> 01:02:12.180
for the private label rights.

1014
01:02:14.220 --> 01:02:15.760
And just kind of see, like, here's,

1015
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:17.900
I just looked at something real quick here.

1016
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:21.860
Because I was going to also ask

1017
01:02:21.860 --> 01:02:25.340
about this creative commons designation

1018
01:02:25.340 --> 01:02:28.060
and public domain and just how does that?

1019
01:02:29.180 --> 01:02:31.340
I don't, creative commons, I'm not familiar with.

1020
01:02:31.340 --> 01:02:32.880
I'd have to look that one up.

1021
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:34.140
That one I'm not familiar with,

1022
01:02:34.140 --> 01:02:37.260
but public domain stuff,

1023
01:02:37.260 --> 01:02:39.540
I can tell you what groups have been doing.

1024
01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:42.380
Hey, Ray, is Ray still here?

1025
01:02:43.820 --> 01:02:44.780
Of course I am.

1026
01:02:44.780 --> 01:02:46.420
Hey, can you do me a favor?

1027
01:02:46.420 --> 01:02:48.160
Can you just remind me tonight?

1028
01:02:49.500 --> 01:02:51.980
What was the term you used, Sridhar?

1029
01:02:51.980 --> 01:02:53.420
Creative commons, Peter.

1030
01:02:53.420 --> 01:02:54.420
Creative commons.

1031
01:02:54.420 --> 01:02:56.260
Can you just ping me on that?

1032
01:02:56.260 --> 01:02:57.580
I want to look it up real quick.

1033
01:02:57.580 --> 01:02:58.420
Yeah.

1034
01:02:58.420 --> 01:02:59.980
That's not one of my clients that I've used much.

1035
01:02:59.980 --> 01:03:02.420
I mean, I've seen them use open source,

1036
01:03:02.420 --> 01:03:03.820
I've seen them use public domain,

1037
01:03:03.820 --> 01:03:05.420
I've seen them use,

1038
01:03:05.420 --> 01:03:07.700
there's another one that uses the word generic.

1039
01:03:07.700 --> 01:03:09.240
There's a lot of different groups.

1040
01:03:09.240 --> 01:03:10.460
There's just so many new things

1041
01:03:10.460 --> 01:03:12.300
that are coming up, quite frankly.

1042
01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:14.220
I mean, some of you may not know this.

1043
01:03:14.220 --> 01:03:17.300
Google owns like thousands upon thousands

1044
01:03:17.300 --> 01:03:18.460
upon thousands of patents,

1045
01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:21.440
and Microsoft owns thousands and thousands upon patents,

1046
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:22.980
and they decided to start making them

1047
01:03:22.980 --> 01:03:26.480
just publicly available for everybody, right?

1048
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:27.820
They just said, look,

1049
01:03:27.820 --> 01:03:31.020
I'm gonna let you use this whole line of technology, right?

1050
01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:33.540
So they created this whole open source group,

1051
01:03:33.540 --> 01:03:35.100
and they make all their patents available.

1052
01:03:35.100 --> 01:03:37.980
But they said, look, if you modify the technology,

1053
01:03:37.980 --> 01:03:40.660
you have to license back certain rights.

1054
01:03:40.660 --> 01:03:43.020
So what I would say to you, Sridhar,

1055
01:03:43.020 --> 01:03:45.340
is any of these groups that you're looking at,

1056
01:03:45.340 --> 01:03:46.220
and there's a lot of them,

1057
01:03:46.220 --> 01:03:47.620
it's kind of like the flavor of the month,

1058
01:03:47.620 --> 01:03:49.600
there's a lot of different types, right?

1059
01:03:49.600 --> 01:03:52.300
Make sure you look at the terms and conditions,

1060
01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:56.220
and ask, look for the terms and conditions

1061
01:03:56.220 --> 01:04:00.520
that speak towards quote unquote derivative works,

1062
01:04:00.520 --> 01:04:02.780
because those are the modifications.

1063
01:04:02.780 --> 01:04:05.540
A lot of the terms and conditions are really easy to see

1064
01:04:05.540 --> 01:04:09.580
where they say, you can just use this.

1065
01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:14.140
Just using it is very different from modifying it, right?

1066
01:04:14.140 --> 01:04:17.020
So just make sure you just double check that,

1067
01:04:17.020 --> 01:04:18.920
because I would hate for people to get in trouble on that.

1068
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:21.460
But I'll look up that other term, because now I'm curious.

1069
01:04:21.460 --> 01:04:22.700
I want to see what that one is.

1070
01:04:22.700 --> 01:04:25.060
So I'll take a look at it, okay?

1071
01:04:25.060 --> 01:04:26.280
Okay, Sally.

1072
01:04:28.020 --> 01:04:32.920
Yeah, okay, so that touches on one of my questions,

1073
01:04:33.740 --> 01:04:38.740
like the use of images from like pixabay.com or Unsplash,

1074
01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:43.660
where it says free for commercial use,

1075
01:04:43.660 --> 01:04:45.540
no advertising required.

1076
01:04:48.540 --> 01:04:52.700
If you're using that, say like in a book cover,

1077
01:04:52.700 --> 01:04:53.720
or somewhere else in a book,

1078
01:04:53.720 --> 01:04:56.220
and so obviously you're modifying it,

1079
01:04:56.220 --> 01:04:59.540
because you're doing lots of stuff to it.

1080
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:05.000
What, so we still have to look further

1081
01:05:07.580 --> 01:05:09.580
into terms and conditions or.

1082
01:05:09.580 --> 01:05:11.480
I would, I would.

1083
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.720
Yeah, and this is kind of the condition

1084
01:05:13.720 --> 01:05:18.720
that I think of when I'm in this area is I think of,

1085
01:05:19.080 --> 01:05:22.080
am I trying to obtain some kind of financial gain?

1086
01:05:22.080 --> 01:05:24.920
If there's a financial gain associated with it,

1087
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:26.520
I'm thinking in the back of my mind,

1088
01:05:26.520 --> 01:05:28.160
there's something in the terms and conditions

1089
01:05:28.160 --> 01:05:29.240
that's gonna hit that.

1090
01:05:29.240 --> 01:05:31.320
Cause that's what the original cut,

1091
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.280
the original copyright owner cares about the most.

1092
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.480
They wanna make sure that you're not getting a cut

1093
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:38.880
of the financial reward that they should be getting.

1094
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.480
So if you have a situation where they say,

1095
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:47.480
hey, you can use this image for your presentations.

1096
01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:50.200
You can use it for your website.

1097
01:05:50.200 --> 01:05:53.040
You can use it for a letter to your wife

1098
01:05:53.040 --> 01:05:54.360
or to your husband or whatever.

1099
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.620
You do what all you want, but you can't make it.

1100
01:05:58.540 --> 01:06:02.180
You can't have a situation where you are commercially,

1101
01:06:02.180 --> 01:06:05.940
you're being financially rewarded for utilization

1102
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:10.940
of our work as a direct result of use of the work.

1103
01:06:12.140 --> 01:06:14.740
So if it's on the front of your book,

1104
01:06:14.740 --> 01:06:19.740
that's a commercial application utilizing the actual image.

1105
01:06:19.860 --> 01:06:21.660
It's in the marketplace.

1106
01:06:21.660 --> 01:06:23.800
And so they're going to look and say,

1107
01:06:24.700 --> 01:06:26.980
likely gonna say, well, that's a business application.

1108
01:06:27.300 --> 01:06:30.420
There's a direct financial reward associated with that.

1109
01:06:30.420 --> 01:06:32.540
I would not be surprised if there's some terms

1110
01:06:32.540 --> 01:06:34.100
and conditions in there that say notice,

1111
01:06:34.100 --> 01:06:37.900
something like that, unless you paid a higher royalty.

1112
01:06:37.900 --> 01:06:40.180
Yeah, because it says right on the front

1113
01:06:40.180 --> 01:06:42.380
where you can download it for free.

1114
01:06:42.380 --> 01:06:46.040
It says, you know, free for commercial use.

1115
01:06:46.040 --> 01:06:50.100
So, you know, I'll still look into that because-

1116
01:06:50.100 --> 01:06:50.940
Look at it, Sally.

1117
01:06:50.940 --> 01:06:55.860
I'm telling you, cause I know a lot of those companies

1118
01:06:55.900 --> 01:06:59.220
like Shutterstock and like all the others,

1119
01:06:59.220 --> 01:07:02.980
like you'll pay a certain amount per month, which is great.

1120
01:07:02.980 --> 01:07:05.760
And they're okay with you using it even for a year.

1121
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:08.500
But if you're gonna make some kind of direct financial gain

1122
01:07:08.500 --> 01:07:11.700
based on their image, they get upset.

1123
01:07:11.700 --> 01:07:15.000
So I would just read the terms and conditions.

1124
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.300
I would look at it and make sure,

1125
01:07:16.300 --> 01:07:19.500
always for everybody here, everybody here,

1126
01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:21.220
if you're using a third party site

1127
01:07:21.220 --> 01:07:24.580
where you are doing a monthly subscription,

1128
01:07:24.580 --> 01:07:26.340
just understand this.

1129
01:07:26.340 --> 01:07:28.380
Oh my gosh, she's so cute, Sylvia.

1130
01:07:29.940 --> 01:07:31.720
She's tired, she's so cute.

1131
01:07:33.300 --> 01:07:35.500
Anytime you have a monthly subscription,

1132
01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:39.940
those companies will often charge you a premium

1133
01:07:39.940 --> 01:07:42.180
to utilize their material in a certain way.

1134
01:07:42.180 --> 01:07:44.780
So just make sure, look at the terms and conditions

1135
01:07:44.780 --> 01:07:46.940
to be sure, right?

1136
01:07:46.940 --> 01:07:50.340
Cause I mean, Rae, you're familiar with a lot of those,

1137
01:07:50.340 --> 01:07:52.340
those sites that have images, right?

1138
01:07:52.340 --> 01:07:53.420
Yeah.

1139
01:07:53.420 --> 01:07:55.340
Yeah, so do you have any feedback on that

1140
01:07:55.340 --> 01:07:57.940
with regard from what you've seen?

1141
01:07:57.940 --> 01:07:59.740
Honestly, even the exact same,

1142
01:07:59.740 --> 01:08:01.500
cause they do, they'll have like that,

1143
01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:03.460
that a little, like right where you can download,

1144
01:08:03.460 --> 01:08:05.620
it'll say, oh, you can have these limitations,

1145
01:08:05.620 --> 01:08:07.420
but I've gone in and looked at their terms

1146
01:08:07.420 --> 01:08:09.740
and they're way more extensive on the limitations.

1147
01:08:09.740 --> 01:08:12.140
You can do, well, you can only distribute

1148
01:08:12.140 --> 01:08:16.660
to this many places or in this different types of ways.

1149
01:08:16.660 --> 01:08:18.180
And so like you're saying,

1150
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:19.660
if you're making a certain amount of money

1151
01:08:19.660 --> 01:08:22.899
or you have a certain amount of downloads for that image,

1152
01:08:22.899 --> 01:08:24.060
like after a certain number,

1153
01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:26.660
you have to increase the amount of royalties you'll pay them.

1154
01:08:26.660 --> 01:08:28.220
Like there's so many different terms,

1155
01:08:28.220 --> 01:08:31.220
but it's different for every single one of these sites.

1156
01:08:31.220 --> 01:08:33.260
Yeah, and that makes sense what Rae's talking about.

1157
01:08:33.260 --> 01:08:35.260
So what I've seen sometimes,

1158
01:08:35.260 --> 01:08:36.779
just so all of you know, Sally,

1159
01:08:36.779 --> 01:08:40.380
like I've seen like the step royalties.

1160
01:08:41.380 --> 01:08:43.700
So like you pay your normal membership

1161
01:08:43.700 --> 01:08:45.819
and these are the kind of rights you get for that.

1162
01:08:45.819 --> 01:08:49.020
If you pay this membership, which is a lot higher,

1163
01:08:49.020 --> 01:08:50.740
now you can do this kind of stuff with it.

1164
01:08:50.740 --> 01:08:52.540
So just read your terms and conditions.

1165
01:08:53.140 --> 01:08:58.140
Because like Pixabay, it's not, well, I don't know.

1166
01:09:00.100 --> 01:09:01.620
I suppose maybe you can pay something,

1167
01:09:01.620 --> 01:09:05.260
but I think most people I know it's just free.

1168
01:09:05.260 --> 01:09:09.740
You can download the stuff and it says here,

1169
01:09:09.740 --> 01:09:12.859
if you wanna buy the creator a cup of coffee or something,

1170
01:09:12.859 --> 01:09:14.340
you can donate.

1171
01:09:14.340 --> 01:09:15.620
Yeah, some of them have it

1172
01:09:15.620 --> 01:09:18.819
to where you can actually give just credit to them

1173
01:09:18.819 --> 01:09:20.380
because they're trying to build their portfolio

1174
01:09:20.380 --> 01:09:21.819
and they're online.

1175
01:09:21.819 --> 01:09:22.939
Right, right.

1176
01:09:22.939 --> 01:09:24.819
And yeah, they want credit as well.

1177
01:09:24.819 --> 01:09:25.660
So you have to make sure

1178
01:09:25.660 --> 01:09:27.580
that you're actually giving that to them.

1179
01:09:27.580 --> 01:09:29.620
And that's something for all of you to consider too.

1180
01:09:29.620 --> 01:09:32.899
If you're trying to build a following,

1181
01:09:32.899 --> 01:09:34.859
when you're starting to try to build a following,

1182
01:09:34.859 --> 01:09:37.340
you can actually create something that has very high value.

1183
01:09:37.340 --> 01:09:38.260
And you think to yourself,

1184
01:09:38.260 --> 01:09:43.260
oh man, this thing is worth exponentially more, way more,

1185
01:09:43.460 --> 01:09:44.939
but you're trying to build a following.

1186
01:09:44.939 --> 01:09:48.460
So for that reason, you may provide something for free

1187
01:09:48.460 --> 01:09:49.979
and have an option to pay.

1188
01:09:50.580 --> 01:09:52.620
And then as you grow, you start to change it

1189
01:09:52.620 --> 01:09:54.940
and you tweak it and you modify it, right?

1190
01:09:54.940 --> 01:09:56.820
I mean, if you look at-

1191
01:09:56.820 --> 01:09:59.620
There's a system called time for print in the industry.

1192
01:09:59.620 --> 01:10:00.460
So basically-

1193
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.400
Basically, you can even locate local artists

1194
01:10:02.400 --> 01:10:04.640
that are up and coming that need a portfolio as well.

1195
01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:07.000
They'll do a trade with you with an agreement

1196
01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:09.760
where they get to use the work that they make for you

1197
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:12.760
in their portfolio, but you also get rights to the pictures.

1198
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:13.600
Yeah.

1199
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:14.440
So it's kind of like the same thing

1200
01:10:14.440 --> 01:10:16.280
with what Ethan's explaining.

1201
01:10:16.280 --> 01:10:17.320
That's fantastic.

1202
01:10:17.320 --> 01:10:19.000
All right, I'm just gonna take one more question

1203
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:19.840
and then we're gonna close

1204
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:21.460
because it's like 9.40 right now.

1205
01:10:21.460 --> 01:10:23.400
So I just like helping you guys.

1206
01:10:23.400 --> 01:10:25.040
So Terry, let me take your question.

1207
01:10:25.040 --> 01:10:26.760
I know I spoke to Coach Claudia yesterday,

1208
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:29.880
so I'll talk, or today, so I'll talk with her again tomorrow.

1209
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:31.280
Terry, go ahead.

1210
01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:34.640
Hey, yeah, I was in here last night.

1211
01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:36.560
Is there a recording from yesterday?

1212
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:37.960
Oh, that's a great question.

1213
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.800
Okay, so I've got some interesting news.

1214
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:43.400
So apparently Zoom in the recording,

1215
01:10:43.400 --> 01:10:44.920
they corrupted the video.

1216
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.400
So we don't actually have the recording of yesterday,

1217
01:10:47.400 --> 01:10:50.360
but here's what I do have for you

1218
01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:53.440
is that, thank you for raising that, Terry.

1219
01:10:53.440 --> 01:10:56.400
So if any of you had a specific question

1220
01:10:56.400 --> 01:10:58.240
that we kind of talked about yesterday

1221
01:10:58.240 --> 01:11:00.000
and you wanna get it on the recording,

1222
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.200
just raise it again tomorrow, all right?

1223
01:11:02.200 --> 01:11:04.160
Just kind of raise whatever your issue is,

1224
01:11:04.160 --> 01:11:05.680
and I'm gonna have a session in the beginning

1225
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:08.600
where I just kind of make sure it's all recorded again.

1226
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:10.840
I don't know what happened with Zoom.

1227
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:11.800
It's kind of interesting

1228
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.920
because, Rae, we've done this for like a year.

1229
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:16.960
So many, it's never happened before.

1230
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.600
Yeah, it's like there's been one other time

1231
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:22.640
that we had an issue, but in any case,

1232
01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.200
what we'll do is we'll just,

1233
01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:25.760
at the beginning of our next session,

1234
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:28.280
if you have a copyright question in particular,

1235
01:11:28.280 --> 01:11:30.720
just raise it and we'll have the recording again, all right?

1236
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:31.560
So-

1237
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:33.640
Your friend did say earlier on our call before the meeting

1238
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:35.360
that there's issues happening right now

1239
01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:37.520
with Zoom and technology glitches that are going on.

1240
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:40.680
Yeah, so I don't know how much you guys know

1241
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.960
what's been going on in the world right now,

1242
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.920
but there's some serious attacks that have been happening

1243
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.680
through the internet, through Zoom,

1244
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:51.920
through Google, through others.

1245
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:53.420
They're attributing it to China.

1246
01:11:53.420 --> 01:11:54.260
There's all sorts.

1247
01:11:54.260 --> 01:11:56.380
I don't know how much you guys know about this,

1248
01:11:56.380 --> 01:12:00.060
but there's been like nonstop attacks that have been going on

1249
01:12:00.060 --> 01:12:01.900
and so it is what it is.

1250
01:12:01.900 --> 01:12:03.740
I'm not worried about stuff like that.

1251
01:12:03.740 --> 01:12:07.620
So in any case, I'll be downloading the recordings tonight.

1252
01:12:07.620 --> 01:12:11.340
I prayed over everything so we wouldn't have any issues.

1253
01:12:11.340 --> 01:12:13.700
So I'm trusting that there won't be any issues.

1254
01:12:14.660 --> 01:12:16.180
And besides, if you guys take the offer,

1255
01:12:16.180 --> 01:12:17.900
you can have access to me for a year anyway.

1256
01:12:17.900 --> 01:12:20.980
So you can ask questions later, so don't worry about it.

1257
01:12:20.980 --> 01:12:23.860
I threw in the videos just to help you guys out, so.

1258
01:12:24.460 --> 01:12:26.060
All right, and with that, I am going to end

1259
01:12:26.060 --> 01:12:29.440
so I can eat something and then get some work done.

1260
01:12:31.220 --> 01:12:32.620
Hopefully you guys jump in.

1261
01:12:32.620 --> 01:12:34.860
If you have any questions on the package,

1262
01:12:34.860 --> 01:12:37.740
we'll cover that real quickly in the beginning tomorrow.

1263
01:12:37.740 --> 01:12:39.820
I'm happy to answer any questions on that.

1264
01:12:39.820 --> 01:12:43.020
But besides that, Ray, I definitely need to come up

1265
01:12:43.020 --> 01:12:46.180
with a checklist of things for people that take the offer.

1266
01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:48.220
They know exactly what they need.

1267
01:12:48.220 --> 01:12:49.900
I will be gugging you for it.

1268
01:12:49.900 --> 01:12:51.940
Yeah, yes, we'll do that.

1269
01:12:51.940 --> 01:12:53.540
All right, oh, that's awesome, Steven.

1270
01:12:54.220 --> 01:12:55.060
Glad you're in there, buddy.

1271
01:12:55.060 --> 01:12:55.880
Glad you're in there.

1272
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:58.500
I think I saw Tim in there too, and Sridhar.

1273
01:12:58.500 --> 01:12:59.540
You guys are awesome.

1274
01:12:59.540 --> 01:13:00.500
That's awesome.

1275
01:13:00.500 --> 01:13:01.420
Well, you're all awesome.

1276
01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:02.660
Bless you all.

1277
01:13:02.660 --> 01:13:05.580
Although Sylvia's got an incredibly precious package

1278
01:13:05.580 --> 01:13:06.420
just falling asleep.

1279
01:13:06.420 --> 01:13:08.620
It's so cute to see her snuggling over there.

1280
01:13:08.620 --> 01:13:09.460
That's awesome.

1281
01:13:09.460 --> 01:13:10.980
Maybe I'll snuggle mine.

1282
01:13:10.980 --> 01:13:11.940
All right, well, bless you guys.

1283
01:13:11.940 --> 01:13:12.780
Have a good night.

1284
01:13:12.780 --> 01:13:14.420
I am going to jump off.

1285
01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:16.300
I think Larissa left already, right?

1286
01:13:16.300 --> 01:13:17.220
Yeah.

1287
01:13:17.220 --> 01:13:18.700
Okay, good, good.

1288
01:13:18.700 --> 01:13:20.680
Yeah, because I knew she was in the middle of something.

1289
01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:22.140
So I'm going to jump off.

1290
01:13:22.140 --> 01:13:24.340
I don't think we need to close off on anything else

1291
01:13:24.340 --> 01:13:25.580
as far as I know.

1292
01:13:26.940 --> 01:13:28.460
So I'm just going to jump off,

1293
01:13:28.460 --> 01:13:30.900
and I think we're all just shut off from here.

1294
01:13:30.900 --> 01:13:32.180
Okay, right?

1295
01:13:32.180 --> 01:13:33.060
Okay.

1296
01:13:33.060 --> 01:13:33.940
All right, bless you guys.

1297
01:13:33.940 --> 01:13:35.180
Have a wonderful evening.

1298
01:13:35.180 --> 01:13:37.500
Tomorrow is day five.

1299
01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:39.660
We're going to cover a little bit of repetitious stuff,

1300
01:13:39.660 --> 01:13:41.500
show you some implementation,

1301
01:13:41.500 --> 01:13:43.100
what you actually already know,

1302
01:13:43.100 --> 01:13:45.540
and we're going to hit patents as well, okay?

1303
01:13:45.540 --> 01:13:48.140
And don't forget, you have the bonus day on Monday.

1304
01:13:48.140 --> 01:13:51.700
I'm just throwing in for you guys to help you out, okay?

1305
01:13:51.700 --> 01:13:53.220
All right, take care, everyone.

1306
01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:54.060
Bye-bye.