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Welcome back to Empower You. I have my wife Liz with me for the first time on Empower You today,

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and she's been sharing with me this new concept that she's kind of given a name to,

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even though she's been living this all of our married life, been married 37 years,

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and it's called the Holy Spirit Channel.

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We're going to talk about the Holy Spirit Channel today, and I want Liz to kind of explain that

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to each of you, what she means by that, and how to live in that.

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And I just want to give a preface, Liz, to the fact that, you know, Jesus came,

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and his theme was the Kingdom of God, and Jesus was always talking about the Kingdom of God.

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But there was a second theme in the last week of his ministry that John, the Apostle John,

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really captured, and that was the Holy Spirit, the coming of the Holy Spirit,

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that when he ascended, that the Holy Spirit was going to come.

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John 14, 15, 16, 17, all about the Holy Spirit.

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So we're calling this the Holy Spirit Channel, and what, Liz, do you mean by Holy Spirit Channel?

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Well, you know, I love to have concepts that reflect natural things, like supernatural into the natural.

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So if you were to pick a channel, say YouTube channel, you're not listening to any other channel.

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You're listening to the YouTube channel.

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And when we choose the Holy Spirit Channel, we are rejecting other channels.

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And you could look at it as, you know, getting on your phone or turning on a radio station.

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You have to turn it on the right station.

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But there's a lot of, say if you're in your car, there's sound waves going on in your car.

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But when you turn on the radio and you turn on a specific channel, you hear that channel's speaker.

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So you're rejecting other channels and choosing this.

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And so I like to look at it that way because there's a lot of voices out there.

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There's our own voice. There's human voices. There's the devil's voice.

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And we need to choose the Holy Spirit Channel. He's the highest channel.

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And it's a challenge to do it, but it's so worth it.

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And you've been talking about this. I mean, you've been living this for a long time.

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We've been talking about it recently.

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And so tell us more about what that means and the impact it's had in your life.

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Yeah, well, the verses that come across to me as the Holy Spirit Channel

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and how the voice of the Holy Spirit works in us is found in Isaiah 55, 6, 7, 8, and 9.

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I'm just going to read that.

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And it says, seek the Lord while he may be found.

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Call upon him while he is near.

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So that's seeking is when you're like, Lord, I need to hear your voice.

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And you're asking, and it's specific.

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And you're kind of done with all the other voices, and you want to hear his voice.

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And then it says, let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts.

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Let him return to the Lord, and he will have mercy on him.

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And to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

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And when we're seeking the Holy Spirit, we're kind of done with ourselves.

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And let the unrighteous man forsake his way.

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And if we're not listening to the Holy Spirit, I'm going to say something hard.

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We're unrighteous because we were built.

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He lives inside us.

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If we're his vessels, if we're his disciples, he lives inside us, and he wants to speak.

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And so we can quench that, or we can listen to it.

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So it's kind of...I think at first, we get kind of done with ourselves and

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other voices, and we want to hear that voice.

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And so this is what the voice is like.

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It says, for my thoughts, this is God speaking in Isaiah 55, 8.

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For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord.

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For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways, higher than your ways,

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and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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And so you're availing yourself to this voice.

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And actually, I'll just say, I looked up what voice is in the Greek as of...you find

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it in John 10, when Jesus says that, my sheep will hear my voice.

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And voice is something...

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in the Greek that you see and you hear so it's seeing and

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hearing.

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So interestingly enough I kept seeing all these verses in the

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Bible about how God's people have ears to hear but they don't

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hear and eyes to see but they don't see.

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So basically God says that over thousands of years through

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different writers and it starts in I think the first one is in

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Deuteronomy and then the last one is maybe I don't know maybe

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in Revelation but I'm not sure getting close to that the end of

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the Bible and you just see that this is a problem for humans

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that we don't easily hear what he's saying and we don't see

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what he's doing and when we decide that we're done with

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ourselves and we want to get on the Holy Spirit channel we start

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seeing things in the spirit we start hearing things in the

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spirit and it's super exciting because it's higher than our

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ways higher than our thoughts.

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So it sounds to me like when I think of sound ways and I think

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about the voice of the Lord as seeing and hearing that there's

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just a lot of competition.

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Yeah right.

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Even for the Christian who is a believer who has the Holy Spirit

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to really tap in to that voice.

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What are the what do you think are the major difficulties to

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hearing God's voice in our lives today and this kind of modern

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21st century busy fast paced life.

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I know for me it's hard for me to slow down enough to listen.

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What are some of the ways some of the things that are

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impediments to hearing God's voice.

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Well I think you just said the word busy.

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Yeah especially for Americans we're busy and we can be busy too

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busy for human relationships but missing the relationship that we

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have with God is impactful in every part of our lives.

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So you know kind of I would just say that busy is a problem but

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there's also the spirit of pride and wanting to do it ourselves.

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I mean the Holy Spirit's called a helper but if you don't want

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his help you've just turned off the channel.

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Good point.

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So what would you say to those who would would propose that.

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Well you know I don't know if I believe in all this voice of God

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stuff that seems a little too mystical for me.

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I'm really into the Bible so I I dig the Bible and I know you

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just read from the Bible but like that's how I hear God's

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voice and I don't only the Bible only the Bible.

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Okay.

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Well that's fine.

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So what would you say.

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I would say always the Bible that God is it only the Bible that

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God speaks through how important is the Bible.

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What's God's word have to do with what you're saying.

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Well God's word has a lot to do with what we're saying what I'm

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saying and if we don't know the Bible then we're not going to be

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able to tell if we're hearing God's voice outside of it.

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So the Logos of the Bible is the written word the Rhema which is

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actually all over the Bible.

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We think of what is what is Rhema what is Logos.

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I'm just getting.

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Okay good.

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By the way we've been married a long time and we always interrupt

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each other.

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Well we're first borns.

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She's first born I'm first born so we're always kind of jockeying

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for who can talk longest.

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Got it.

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She usually wins though.

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I was the first or first born.

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I had to tell her recently can you quit praying so much so I can

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pray.

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Well that's not the worst thing someone could do.

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Remember that.

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Oh yeah.

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I am a prayer hog.

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So.

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Like I.

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She'll start praying something's really annoying and everything

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and I'm like OK I'm just waiting for her to just kind of take a

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breath so I can dig in but then she just never takes a breath.

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She's got.

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She's got lung power man just keeps on going.

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I said OK I've heard that prayer.

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Can I pray.

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Well.

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Back to Raymond Logos.

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OK.

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OK.

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So.

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Logos is the written word, and the rhema is God's...

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So when we think of logos, you're talking about the word that's on the page.

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Genesis through Revelation. And just so you know, here's something cool.

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So there's about over 31,000 verses. I believe we should be asking,

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God, which ones do you want me to read for today?

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Because we may need to read certain ones to prepare us.

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For what we're going to experience. And if we don't hear anything,

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then, you know, we don't want to make it up.

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So you can just kind of, whatever your first thought is,

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or maybe you have a Bible study program you're doing, do that.

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But I think he might, sometimes I get up and I feel like I'm supposed to read a certain book,

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or a certain passage, or a certain scripture. Have you ever had that?

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Cool.

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So what's rhema?

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Well, rhema is when you have God's voice speak to you about a certain situation

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you're praying about, or you're thinking about, or maybe you don't even know you need,

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but he'll bring... Actually, it says in John 14 that he'll bring to remembrance

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things you need to know.

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But if you don't have this book in your head, he can't do that.

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Right.

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So it's really important to be spending that time every day, even if it's kind of boring.

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Sometimes it's just not exciting, but God's going to use it.

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And it's kind of like when you and I talk about boring stuff, we have to do that.

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But, you know, sometimes, hopefully more than not, we're talking about exciting things.

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But that's part of a relationship is that it's not always exciting.

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It's day-to-day and sometimes kind of routine.

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So I think of the logo says the written word, and I kind of think of rhema as the speaking word

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or the writing word.

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In other words, God's writing something in your heart for a particular situation, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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And I hear what you're saying that's so accurate that if you don't, if there's no

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information to work with in your heart and in your head, as far as the written word, the logos,

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it's hard to discern whether that's God's voice or Satan's voice or just your own

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voice, the pizza you had last night, whatever, you know, in your spirit,

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because you don't have enough information to know God's ways.

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So you have to be in the written word, you have to be in the logos

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to increase the possibilities of the rhema.

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Mm-hmm.

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So like when you think of Holy Spirit Channel, the way, and we'll cover this in the next episode

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more probably, but you seem to know things, okay?

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Mm-hmm.

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You seem to know things about people that you shouldn't know.

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We classically would call that word of knowledge, kind of a word of prophecy, word of knowledge.

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But for example, if you're talking to someone and you hear divorce in your spirit, like you hear a

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voice, the voice is divorce, you're talking, you just met this person.

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So there's something in their life about divorce that you're going to speak to.

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And if you don't know the word, if you don't know the logos, you might say,

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are you supposed to get a divorce?

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Oh, that's true.

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You know, versus are you struggling with a divorce?

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And then that opens up kind of a spiritual can of worms.

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And you can start to minister in that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And let's just, we'll cover that in the next one.

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But any, as we close out this episode, any thoughts or comments?

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Well, I would say that if you look at John 10, 17, it says,

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so faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

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And a lot of times our English Bible doesn't distinguish very well between words.

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That would be Romans 10.

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That would be Romans 10, 17.

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And that's how we get our faith.

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But interestingly enough, it's not the logos.

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It's Rhema.

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So hearing God's voice is how we build our faith, and it comes to us.

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Right.

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Through hearing God's voice in particular situations.

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I'm sure we get.

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And so we're going to get empowered through hearing God's voice.

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Mm-hmm.

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And faith is so key.

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Faith will enable us to overcome the world, 1 John 5, 4.

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And if we don't have faith.

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We're gonna get clobbered out there and so being in God's Word is so important

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so that when the Spirit comes and He speaks we just know that we know and we

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know what to do or we know what to say. That's really good. And it's it's so

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empowering and so key for us to walk in this broken world. Yeah. Well good Liz

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that's awesome. I'm learning a lot. Fantastic. So we're gonna we're gonna in

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the next episode take this further in our understanding of the Holy Spirit

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channel. So check out the next episode. It's gonna be really good. All right.