WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:25.320 Good to see everybody today. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Who's ready? Who has got day five 2 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:31.960 on your mind? Day five, ready for the last download. Actually, 3 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:36.800 not true. There's gonna be a bonus day. You asked for it. 4 00:00:36.800 --> 00:00:42.040 The crowds have spoken and Peter's replied. So as you're 5 00:00:42.040 --> 00:00:45.080 all getting in, I am gonna run the video. 6 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:04.920 I didn't realize that there was, you know, the state registration. I've done that. And 7 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:09.560 then you got the state trademark registration and then the federal registration and that 8 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:14.640 there were all these different levels and how important it is to make sure that you 9 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:24.120 are protecting your idea at all of the different levels and just not to mess around with staying 10 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:29.480 small that's like just go right for the federal level. Everything is online. It's not like 11 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:36.200 you're not going to be doing business across the whole country. And of course, we have 12 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:41.200 a lot of Canadians here. So and a lot of that goes across the country lines as well. So 13 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:45.320 that was super helpful. I think for me, it's the strategic planning 14 00:01:45.320 --> 00:01:50.080 that how long is it really going to take for you? You can put your application in, but 15 00:01:50.080 --> 00:01:56.760 how long will it take you to actually get it approved? And then if you make a mess up 16 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:03.040 how you know, the setback in time and lost opportunity money that that really could cost 17 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:08.000 you. I have learned so much about how to protect 18 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:16.440 myself and I am just, you know, just on cloud nine. So thank you. 19 00:02:16.760 --> 00:02:20.600 So I came in knowing pretty much nothing like, I don't even know what's the difference between 20 00:02:20.600 --> 00:02:24.440 a trademark and a copyright. And then last night I was able to actually walk somebody 21 00:02:24.440 --> 00:02:28.920 through the USPTO website and go, here's what you would need if you wanted to trademark 22 00:02:28.920 --> 00:02:32.400 what you're trying to trademark. And here's how you would do your recitation of goods 23 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.680 and services. Like I was able to walk her through the thing. It was cool. We were like 24 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:41.840 looking up the classes and like the international classes for her stuff. And it was really, 25 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:47.160 it was really cool. I was like, I actually learned something this week. 26 00:02:47.160 --> 00:02:52.040 One of the things I appreciate the most, I took like pages of notes on. It's just the 27 00:02:52.040 --> 00:02:59.200 wisdom that he gave, the advice that he gave, that you can just tell he knows and he's a 28 00:02:59.200 --> 00:03:05.040 pro, but it goes beyond just his knowledge of the type of job that he does. But just 29 00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:09.920 insight in so many different areas was incredibly helpful. And we're just really grateful that 30 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:15.640 we now have a plan to move forward, like you said, but we are grateful for his time. It 31 00:03:15.640 --> 00:03:22.160 was truly a blessing to be able to sit with him and share our story and find out some 32 00:03:22.160 --> 00:03:24.680 things we're doing wrong and how to fix them. 33 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:31.240 If you need some help, boy, Peter is the man to go to. And hopefully you guys can take 34 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:36.400 advantage of what he's offering. And guys, it'll be good. It'll help you and quickly 35 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.400 as well. 36 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:38.960 Yes. And we're so grateful, Peter. Thank you. 37 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:43.960 I really appreciated this challenge because the guys I work with, the course creators 38 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:50.520 and I could build websites. So always people are wondering about protecting their content 39 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:56.240 and just going through it with Peter is just meant that even today when I was talking to 40 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:03.200 a client, I was able to just share things that I'd learned just yesterday. It was like 41 00:04:03.200 --> 00:04:10.320 so exciting. It's so exciting because it's like, oh, I can help you with that just a 42 00:04:10.320 --> 00:04:17.640 little bit more than before. So yes, the way everything has been structured has helped 43 00:04:17.640 --> 00:04:24.320 me personally navigate this whole realm with so much more clarity. 44 00:04:24.320 --> 00:04:27.760 All of the creative things that I've done has always been around trademark copyright. 45 00:04:27.760 --> 00:04:35.400 And I've had this like very tangible fear and anxiety around trademarks, copyrights. 46 00:04:35.400 --> 00:04:41.040 And it's because of all the legal jargon and spending so much money doing it wrong has 47 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:47.040 been the fear. And I have an inordinate amount of attorneys in my life. So just getting friendly 48 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:54.840 advice, literal friendly advice, right. And from my friends have encouraged me throughout 49 00:04:54.840 --> 00:04:59.200 the years, but it didn't put me into action until now, right? 50 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.240 By side, step-by-step, click-by-click, 51 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:09.240 trademark application in the VIP, life-changing. 52 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.080 Like it slayed a giant for me 53 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:15.360 that has been looming over my head, 54 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.000 intimidating me for a long time. 55 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.640 And that giant is dead and slayed. 56 00:05:22.700 --> 00:05:23.540 Hey, I'm Bruce. 57 00:05:23.540 --> 00:05:26.300 I just wanna give a quick shout out to my friend, Peter. 58 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:30.300 Peter jumped on a call with me last night 59 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:35.300 and in 30 minutes, totally fixed our entire landing page 60 00:05:35.500 --> 00:05:36.740 from a legal perspective. 61 00:05:36.740 --> 00:05:39.220 We had used some trademark logos. 62 00:05:39.220 --> 00:05:41.880 We had used some trademark phrases 63 00:05:41.880 --> 00:05:45.260 promoting a particular challenge we had coming up next week 64 00:05:45.260 --> 00:05:47.980 and just got off a call, Peter jumped on. 65 00:05:47.980 --> 00:05:50.960 We basically went top to bottom through the page 66 00:05:50.960 --> 00:05:54.620 and I just fixed it in real time as he gave suggestions 67 00:05:54.620 --> 00:05:56.060 and it was super helpful. 68 00:05:56.820 --> 00:05:58.140 So I'm glad we dodged that bullet 69 00:05:58.140 --> 00:05:59.500 that we're not gonna get in trouble 70 00:05:59.500 --> 00:06:03.580 for using any trademark language or logos in our page, 71 00:06:03.580 --> 00:06:05.060 but highly recommend it. 72 00:06:05.060 --> 00:06:07.420 If you get a chance to work with Peter, 73 00:06:07.420 --> 00:06:09.780 definitely recommend Coach Mary. 74 00:06:21.020 --> 00:06:23.540 We are gonna stop the share there. 75 00:06:23.620 --> 00:06:26.300 What I love to hear, welcome everyone. 76 00:06:26.300 --> 00:06:30.140 Welcome to day five of the Protect Your Idea Challenge. 77 00:06:30.140 --> 00:06:34.420 It's Friday, Friday, Friday, Saturday for Libby down under. 78 00:06:34.420 --> 00:06:38.260 She's waking at the pre-crack of dawn. 79 00:06:38.260 --> 00:06:40.820 Extra kudos to her as well. 80 00:06:40.820 --> 00:06:42.220 So good to see everybody. 81 00:06:42.220 --> 00:06:47.100 And while we have just a couple minutes, 82 00:06:47.100 --> 00:06:48.620 take a moment if you would, please. 83 00:06:48.620 --> 00:06:50.540 How great is this challenge? 84 00:06:50.540 --> 00:06:54.420 Please fill up the chat with your impressions, 85 00:06:54.420 --> 00:06:58.540 how wonderful this is, how valuable the content is, 86 00:06:58.540 --> 00:07:02.940 and raise your hand if you've got a golden nugget, 87 00:07:02.940 --> 00:07:07.300 another takeaway, wow moment from any of the last four days, 88 00:07:07.300 --> 00:07:12.300 regular VIP, what is gonna be, 89 00:07:12.420 --> 00:07:14.780 when you're top, never forget, 90 00:07:14.780 --> 00:07:17.780 writer downers, golden nuggets. 91 00:07:17.780 --> 00:07:20.140 Use the chat, raise your hand if you'd like to speak. 92 00:07:20.740 --> 00:07:21.740 We wanna hear from you. 93 00:07:27.140 --> 00:07:28.700 Has anybody made any progress? 94 00:07:28.700 --> 00:07:29.820 Okay, Krista. 95 00:07:33.940 --> 00:07:35.020 You need me to unmute. 96 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:40.460 Okay, so this is just yesterday specifically 97 00:07:40.460 --> 00:07:43.380 with the patenting was actually huge for me. 98 00:07:43.380 --> 00:07:44.340 I've said in my lives, 99 00:07:44.340 --> 00:07:46.860 I've submitted a patent back in September, 100 00:07:46.860 --> 00:07:49.420 like been two years into it. 101 00:07:49.460 --> 00:07:52.980 And I've learned more in this challenge 102 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:55.660 for the last five days or four days now 103 00:07:55.660 --> 00:07:58.260 than I have working two years with my lawyer, 104 00:07:58.260 --> 00:08:00.460 which is ridiculous, right? 105 00:08:01.380 --> 00:08:03.300 You know, $8,000 later. 106 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:05.140 But one thing that I can tell you 107 00:08:05.140 --> 00:08:06.980 that what taught me yesterday was 108 00:08:08.540 --> 00:08:12.380 I hadn't searched the back patent office 109 00:08:12.380 --> 00:08:17.380 for if what I even patented was infringing on anything. 110 00:08:17.540 --> 00:08:21.420 Okay, I didn't even know that jargon just so that you know. 111 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:26.420 And I had two friends that had gone to that site 112 00:08:26.700 --> 00:08:28.980 two years ago and they were like, 113 00:08:28.980 --> 00:08:33.179 there's over 3,000 patents we'd have to weed through. 114 00:08:33.179 --> 00:08:34.700 But they didn't know what they were doing. 115 00:08:34.700 --> 00:08:36.419 One of my friends is a lawyer, 116 00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:37.820 but she's not a patent attorney. 117 00:08:37.820 --> 00:08:39.700 So she has, this isn't her field. 118 00:08:39.700 --> 00:08:43.340 So she had no idea how to get on that website and search. 119 00:08:43.340 --> 00:08:46.460 And so when Peter specifically said, 120 00:08:46.460 --> 00:08:49.740 here's where it's at, put this in that area. 121 00:08:49.740 --> 00:08:51.580 I got on yesterday and I did that 122 00:08:51.580 --> 00:08:55.140 and felt a release to do that. 123 00:08:55.140 --> 00:08:57.340 And there's like 30 patents 124 00:08:57.340 --> 00:08:59.740 that I narrowed my search down to. 125 00:08:59.740 --> 00:09:01.980 And I was like, 30 patents, oh my gosh. 126 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:04.900 Like I thought there was like 3,000 127 00:09:04.900 --> 00:09:06.100 and I was able to go through 128 00:09:06.100 --> 00:09:09.380 and just see that nothing touches what I filed. 129 00:09:09.380 --> 00:09:12.620 Nothing was even in the realm of what I was doing. 130 00:09:12.620 --> 00:09:16.620 So I feel like that was a huge win. 131 00:09:16.620 --> 00:09:18.460 I'm like, oh Lord. 132 00:09:18.460 --> 00:09:20.060 And I already knew, 133 00:09:20.060 --> 00:09:22.780 because I was okay with filing 134 00:09:22.780 --> 00:09:24.060 and not having it to go through 135 00:09:24.060 --> 00:09:27.220 just out of obedience to what I was asking me to do. 136 00:09:27.220 --> 00:09:28.340 But how good is he? 137 00:09:28.340 --> 00:09:29.180 Like, wow. 138 00:09:29.180 --> 00:09:33.700 So that's my huge like, so that's it. 139 00:09:34.540 --> 00:09:35.380 Oh, good. 140 00:09:35.380 --> 00:09:36.540 Thank you for sharing it. 141 00:09:36.540 --> 00:09:41.540 Let's applaud Krista for jumping into that USPTO website. 142 00:09:42.140 --> 00:09:44.300 And let's hear from John. 143 00:09:44.300 --> 00:09:45.660 No shenanigans, John. 144 00:09:48.140 --> 00:09:49.100 Learn my lesson. 145 00:09:52.420 --> 00:09:54.700 So the big thing, big takeaway was this, 146 00:09:54.700 --> 00:09:58.060 that there's certainty, okay? 147 00:09:58.060 --> 00:10:00.020 And this really dovetails on... 148 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.360 For those of us who are in level two and 100x, 149 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.160 there's a lady that came on and she just really wasn't clear. 150 00:10:05.160 --> 00:10:07.640 There were so many unanswered questions 151 00:10:07.640 --> 00:10:09.880 that she didn't even know who she was serving. 152 00:10:09.880 --> 00:10:14.720 But I mean, her message, the products and what happened was 153 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.120 Peter just said, just you need to you need to have less 154 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:18.760 question marks in your life. 155 00:10:18.760 --> 00:10:23.280 And what Peter's done here is remove the question marks 156 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:25.240 or the uncertainties or the unknowns, right? 157 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.320 Sometimes the unknown is the scariest part 158 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:30.480 because it's unknown. 159 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:32.320 But now there's a known, there's a commodity, 160 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:35.400 there's a certainty that any questions I had 161 00:10:35.400 --> 00:10:39.560 with intellectual property, trademarks, copywriting, 162 00:10:39.560 --> 00:10:41.680 I know enough to just be dangerous, right? 163 00:10:41.680 --> 00:10:45.200 So that I can get to the point where I can take all that 164 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:46.920 to somebody who's skilled in doing that. 165 00:10:46.920 --> 00:10:49.520 And so that's my big takeaway from all of this 166 00:10:49.520 --> 00:10:52.840 is there's a level of uncertainty that has been removed. 167 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.520 And I think all of us are gonna benefit from that 168 00:10:55.520 --> 00:10:57.160 because now we can move forward with confidence. 169 00:10:57.160 --> 00:10:59.640 And so thank you, Peter, for giving us confidence. 170 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:02.880 So good. 171 00:11:02.880 --> 00:11:05.880 Lynn, unmute yourself and I'm gonna give you the highlight. 172 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:11.080 Hey family. 173 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.760 I have a really good friend who had an invention 174 00:11:14.760 --> 00:11:17.280 a few years back and she did a lot of research. 175 00:11:17.280 --> 00:11:20.400 She ended up going with some attorney online 176 00:11:20.400 --> 00:11:22.840 and it was a horrible experience. 177 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:24.600 I don't remember how much she spent 178 00:11:24.640 --> 00:11:28.680 but I just felt dissuaded to even pursue my God ideas 179 00:11:28.680 --> 00:11:30.840 because I'm like, I don't need that aggravation. 180 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.720 I don't need to waste my money. 181 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:35.360 And it was just the first day of the challenge, 182 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.680 not let alone the VIP that Peter 183 00:11:38.680 --> 00:11:40.600 just walked us through everything. 184 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:44.200 And I'm like, oh my gosh, I would have paid more. 185 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:45.240 Don't tell him. 186 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.960 But it was so, just so informing. 187 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.920 And just like everybody else has said, 188 00:11:50.920 --> 00:11:53.960 he does step-by-step and the clarity 189 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.320 that we receive, whether it's live or in the replay 190 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.040 is just, it's invaluable. 191 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.280 I'm just, I'm very, very grateful for his knowledge 192 00:12:02.280 --> 00:12:05.240 and for his obedience and heart of sharing and giving. 193 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.960 So, and thanks for leading too, Larissa. 194 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:10.880 My pleasure. 195 00:12:10.880 --> 00:12:11.720 Thank you. 196 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.560 Kim, did you wanna share or was that just a random unmute? 197 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:19.920 No, yes. 198 00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:20.760 Okay. 199 00:12:20.760 --> 00:12:23.040 Libby, you've got your hand up, unmute 200 00:12:23.040 --> 00:12:24.640 and I'll give you the spotlight. 201 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:34.160 Apologies. 202 00:12:35.160 --> 00:12:36.200 Let's look closely. 203 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.680 Good morning, everyone. 204 00:12:37.680 --> 00:12:39.480 I'm here, look. 205 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.280 Thank you for your prayers yesterday. 206 00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:43.240 Hallelujah. 207 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.240 The lower back is just, I could actually feel it. 208 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.760 I was lying there yesterday, 209 00:12:48.760 --> 00:12:50.600 that wow, there's something going on. 210 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:51.960 It's starting to feel a bit better. 211 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.760 It's starting to feel a bit better. 212 00:12:54.760 --> 00:12:57.560 And yeah, so thank you. 213 00:12:57.560 --> 00:12:58.400 Yes. 214 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.800 You don't realize what life is like 215 00:13:02.800 --> 00:13:07.800 until your back's locked up and you can't move. 216 00:13:08.280 --> 00:13:10.840 So, or the only movement that you can do 217 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:15.280 is either to walk really slowly or lie straight flat. 218 00:13:15.280 --> 00:13:18.200 So yeah, so that's, thank you guys for your prayers. 219 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:19.480 Really appreciate it. 220 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.560 But my new and good regarding Peter 221 00:13:21.560 --> 00:13:26.560 is just going through these past four days so far, 222 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.040 looking forward to today, 223 00:13:30.040 --> 00:13:34.880 has unraveled all that spaghetti, 224 00:13:34.880 --> 00:13:37.280 spaghetti of legal jargon. 225 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:42.080 And the way he unpacks it, 226 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.440 makes it realize it's just words 227 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:52.320 that have been put together to form a pattern, 228 00:13:52.800 --> 00:13:57.800 a trademark, a copyright, a trade secret, et cetera. 229 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.440 And he's unpacked it in such a way 230 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:07.440 that makes it really clear where each bit goes. 231 00:14:07.880 --> 00:14:11.160 And then also with some of the questions people have asked 232 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:14.040 where it's a little bit murky, 233 00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:18.160 like you'd really need to get legal advice 234 00:14:18.160 --> 00:14:22.440 and follow through with a lawyer to unravel that bit. 235 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:27.440 So there's so much more that I can do for myself 236 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.520 and for others, if I'm ever in that position, 237 00:14:32.760 --> 00:14:37.760 that I can see that this is going to save me. 238 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:42.000 I think I put it in a poster legacy really, 239 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.680 because if you go the wrong way, 240 00:14:45.680 --> 00:14:47.800 it's going to cost you everything. 241 00:14:47.800 --> 00:14:49.480 So thank you, Peter. 242 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:51.040 Thank you so much. 243 00:14:51.040 --> 00:14:55.840 Unbelievable content and his heart 244 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:57.760 and everything that he puts into it. 245 00:14:57.760 --> 00:15:00.120 It's seriously guys, as you- 246 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.640 You know, I've been waking up before for every day. 247 00:15:02.640 --> 00:15:03.720 Today was a struggle. 248 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:04.520 I will admit 249 00:15:06.640 --> 00:15:10.040 to be up, to be here, to be live every day. 250 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:15.760 It is totally, completely worth every lost second of sleep. 251 00:15:17.280 --> 00:15:17.880 Amen. 252 00:15:17.880 --> 00:15:19.320 Bless you, bless you. 253 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:23.120 Because I have a appreciation of how much that, 254 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:26.920 you know, she's doing to put this together to support Peter. 255 00:15:26.920 --> 00:15:29.280 And, you know, and I think 256 00:15:30.400 --> 00:15:33.240 some of you guys can light up the chat with that for Larissa. 257 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.160 I mean, honestly, Larissa, I think, has done an incredible job here. 258 00:15:37.560 --> 00:15:40.240 Just thank you so much for your commitment, Larissa. 259 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.120 And you're just your incredible demeanor. 260 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.480 And you've done an incredible job with all this. 261 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.000 And just for all of you, I mean, I just want to celebrate all of you. 262 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.000 I know this has been a time commitment for everyone. 263 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.280 I mean, obviously you've invested into this, but I see some alumni here. 264 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:55.640 Oh, my gosh. 265 00:15:55.640 --> 00:15:57.680 There's some alumni here, too. 266 00:15:58.040 --> 00:15:59.960 There's Todd and Tamara and some others. 267 00:15:59.960 --> 00:16:01.120 Praise God. 268 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:05.160 This is really a family like this is, you know, you've got members. 269 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:06.760 A lot of us know each other here. 270 00:16:06.760 --> 00:16:07.880 And there's some others that are new. 271 00:16:07.880 --> 00:16:09.600 Welcome to the family. 272 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:13.200 But this is a when you're dealing with idea of protection. 273 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.400 This is a very unique area of the law. 274 00:16:15.400 --> 00:16:18.440 There's not a lot of people that do this kind of stuff and 275 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.200 and don't confuse the world, quite frankly, because most of the people 276 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.760 that I know, you talk to them about this stuff and it's just like you. 277 00:16:27.640 --> 00:16:29.960 It's very difficult to kind of follow. 278 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:34.000 And so I just my my heart on this was really to equip you, 279 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:37.800 because like I said, from day one, when I was ready to get started 280 00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:41.240 and I heard the word pioneers out loud, very clear. 281 00:16:41.880 --> 00:16:44.640 I knew the caliber of the people I was going to be working with. 282 00:16:44.640 --> 00:16:47.280 And I had to make sure that I equipped you properly. 283 00:16:47.640 --> 00:16:50.480 That's why I've been you know, some of you have been sending me the emails 284 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:53.080 and saying, you know, you could have done less. 285 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:54.600 You know, thank you so much. 286 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.080 But, you know, dude, really? 287 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.160 Like I was like, yeah, really, you guys are worth it. 288 00:16:59.640 --> 00:17:03.640 So and with that, I also received additional emails saying, 289 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:04.760 is there going to be a bonus day? 290 00:17:04.760 --> 00:17:05.720 Is there going to be a bonus day? 291 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:07.200 Is there going to be a bonus day? 292 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.319 So, yes, there will be a bonus day. 293 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:14.440 So tomorrow, Saturday at 12 o'clock, I'm just going to give you a bonus day. 294 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.480 We're just going to kind of wrap up a few things. 295 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:20.160 One thing in particular that somebody asked, which I thought was brilliant. 296 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.280 I mean, all of you ask great questions. 297 00:17:22.280 --> 00:17:25.960 One thing in particular, somebody sent me a communication 298 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.680 saying, how do you search logos? 299 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.400 Because logos don't actually have words. 300 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.920 So how do you search logos? 301 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.280 There's a way to search trademark logos. 302 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.560 Tomorrow, I'm going to start out with that. 303 00:17:38.560 --> 00:17:39.720 I'm going to teach you how to do that. 304 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:43.600 There's a secret to it that people get wrong all the time. 305 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:47.480 And I mean, all the time, like they do it wrong and then they get into trouble. 306 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.680 I'm going to show you a back end way to search logos. 307 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.640 I'll show you exactly the sequence step by step. 308 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:56.640 OK, so we'll do that tomorrow. 309 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.960 And for those of you that can't make the bonus day, don't worry. 310 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:02.600 I'll put the video in the Facebook group. 311 00:18:02.600 --> 00:18:06.600 I'm putting the I'm doing the bonus day for you, honestly, because you requested 312 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.800 because I think you've you've got more than enough already. 313 00:18:09.800 --> 00:18:13.840 But I figured since you asked for it, I'm going to give it to you anyway. 314 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.600 Um, by now, you should have all of the videos. 315 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.600 All of the videos have been uploaded. 316 00:18:20.600 --> 00:18:23.560 All of the text chat files have been uploaded. 317 00:18:23.560 --> 00:18:26.280 If you're in VIP, it's been emailed to you. 318 00:18:26.560 --> 00:18:30.200 You've got day one, two, three and four has already been sent to you. 319 00:18:31.080 --> 00:18:34.200 If you signed up for VIP late in the game 320 00:18:34.840 --> 00:18:37.400 and you were not so you weren't on the original list, 321 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.240 I've been updating the list literally every single day. 322 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:44.000 We literally had some two people sign up for VIP yesterday. 323 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:46.960 So so we added you to the list. 324 00:18:47.320 --> 00:18:50.920 But if you are on VIP and you didn't get that email, just DM 325 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:56.080 either Larissa or myself and we'll get you the email. 326 00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:58.440 Don't worry. Just be here. 327 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.640 Be here and just just absorb the materials coming to you. 328 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:03.080 You're going to get the recordings. 329 00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:06.560 If you're in the challenge, you get the recordings for 30 days. 330 00:19:07.120 --> 00:19:08.360 Then they're shut down. 331 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:10.920 If you're in VIP, you get them for 90 days. 332 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:13.400 Then they're shut down. 333 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:17.960 Now, if you're in the protection portal, you get them for the whole year. 334 00:19:18.520 --> 00:19:22.480 OK, now with that, I just want to take a moment before we jump into 335 00:19:23.080 --> 00:19:26.600 three topics that I think are very important in the patent arena 336 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:28.920 that I think you need to understand. 337 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:31.400 And then I'm going to kind of summarize everything for you. 338 00:19:33.320 --> 00:19:35.360 Let's talk a little bit about the protection portal. 339 00:19:36.120 --> 00:19:40.640 So the protection portal is like VIP, but it's more than VIP, 340 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:44.160 because some some people were saying, yeah, I like VIP. 341 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:45.160 That's what I want to do. 342 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.280 I just want you to understand that the differences between a protection portal 343 00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:52.280 and and the and then I'm going to let Todd and Tamara speak 344 00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:53.440 because they're amazing. 345 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.240 They're in the protection portal already. 346 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.440 And I think Miss is here, too. 347 00:19:58.440 --> 00:19:59.960 She's in the in the protection. 348 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.920 portal. So in the protection portal, not only do you have a 349 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.340 similar experience to the VIP, but you get to email beforehand, 350 00:20:09.080 --> 00:20:13.300 my resources are at your disposal. So that means you run 351 00:20:13.300 --> 00:20:17.520 into legal issues in Germany, I give you my agents, you know, 352 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:21.280 you're looking for a specific individual has some legal 353 00:20:21.280 --> 00:20:24.020 experience in another area, I give you my contacts. So you'll 354 00:20:24.020 --> 00:20:29.040 get that. Separate from that, I put a lot of additional 355 00:20:29.040 --> 00:20:32.280 resources in not only in the portal, but separate from that 356 00:20:32.280 --> 00:20:35.400 you get them emailed directly to you. So it's it's a different 357 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.400 it's kind of it's like VIP, but it's kind of like VIP on 358 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:42.440 adrenaline. Let's just put it that way. And it's very family 359 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.160 oriented. Everybody knows each other. And so we try to help 360 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.740 each other out in the portal. And with that, Todd and Tamara, 361 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:52.400 can I unmute you? Maybe you can just kind of give your own 362 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:56.860 experience in with the protection portal just for a 363 00:20:56.860 --> 00:21:00.220 minute. And thank you so much for joining. Just love you guys 364 00:21:00.260 --> 00:21:03.140 and what you're doing with your own challenges. Just amazing. 365 00:21:03.620 --> 00:21:04.140 Great. 366 00:21:05.140 --> 00:21:07.640 Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for inviting us. This is 367 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.100 great. We love you too. You're amazing. You're awesome. 368 00:21:11.620 --> 00:21:16.580 You go way beyond, way beyond anything we could ever imagine. 369 00:21:16.780 --> 00:21:20.100 But thank you so much. We've really, really enjoyed the 370 00:21:20.100 --> 00:21:23.260 challenge. We've enjoyed the protection portal. We're getting 371 00:21:23.260 --> 00:21:26.820 so much out of it. We loved our one on one and really that 372 00:21:26.820 --> 00:21:30.220 helped unlock a lot of things and help us move forward in 373 00:21:30.220 --> 00:21:35.420 this. This month, we're running another challenge next week. It 374 00:21:35.420 --> 00:21:41.260 allowed us to create some business assets. And there's so 375 00:21:41.260 --> 00:21:44.700 much to do to get things in place. And we have more more to 376 00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:45.940 go. We need to hire somebody. 377 00:21:48.460 --> 00:21:51.660 Just from what we learned when we took, because we were in your 378 00:21:51.660 --> 00:21:55.340 first challenge. But in taking that challenge, and we have now 379 00:21:55.340 --> 00:21:58.900 gone through and trademarked everything. I've got copyright 380 00:21:58.900 --> 00:22:03.020 all over everything. We're just, you know, we're just covering 381 00:22:03.020 --> 00:22:03.780 our assets. 382 00:22:04.940 --> 00:22:07.700 Website tuned up with everything as well. 383 00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:11.860 Yeah, workbooks that we're doing are now marked correctly. So it's 384 00:22:11.860 --> 00:22:15.380 just a beautiful thing when you offer Peter, just a basic 385 00:22:15.380 --> 00:22:19.540 knowledge of what we need to run business, a successful business 386 00:22:19.540 --> 00:22:24.100 that's protected legally, is huge. We talk about this all the 387 00:22:24.100 --> 00:22:27.820 time in our, in our group that we mentor, you know, some of our 388 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:30.460 people are in here. So we're super excited to see that. 389 00:22:30.460 --> 00:22:33.980 So we coach and mentor nonprofit leaders, Christian nonprofit 390 00:22:33.980 --> 00:22:35.980 leaders, we have a lot of fun with that. And we see some of 391 00:22:35.980 --> 00:22:38.460 you in here. And you guys are awesome. I'm glad you're taking 392 00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:41.820 advantage of this training. This is amazing. 393 00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:44.580 With regard to that, in particular, I have a question 394 00:22:44.580 --> 00:22:47.860 for you, because a lot of the people here are coaches. Like 395 00:22:47.860 --> 00:22:50.380 there's a lot of coaches that are in this group of people that 396 00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:53.580 are responsible for a lot of other individuals. Can you take 397 00:22:53.580 --> 00:22:57.260 just a minute and explain with regard to the protection portal? 398 00:22:57.780 --> 00:23:01.620 Are you taking the issues of your people and presenting them 399 00:23:01.660 --> 00:23:05.020 in the portal to get you the feedback that you need? So not 400 00:23:05.020 --> 00:23:07.820 only can you take care of them well, but they in fact, will be 401 00:23:07.820 --> 00:23:10.860 equipped well, to take care of the people that they take care 402 00:23:10.860 --> 00:23:13.780 of. So maybe you could talk a little bit about that for a 403 00:23:13.780 --> 00:23:14.780 minute. Yeah. 404 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:18.020 Yeah, absolutely. One of the beautiful benefits of being in 405 00:23:18.020 --> 00:23:21.900 the protection portal is access to you, Peter. So we've got 406 00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:26.740 people in this challenge with you now, because of what you got 407 00:23:26.740 --> 00:23:30.620 to bring to our people, just in the basic education knowledge 408 00:23:30.620 --> 00:23:33.780 that they needed to have to even know how to move forward to 409 00:23:33.780 --> 00:23:37.380 protect their ministries, and their nonprofits that they 410 00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:42.380 started. So it's invaluable. What you offer in the ripple 411 00:23:42.380 --> 00:23:46.260 effect of what you offer is huge. So we've heard back from 412 00:23:46.260 --> 00:23:49.020 some of our people who are in this challenge with you, and 413 00:23:49.020 --> 00:23:53.020 they are so excited, so thrilled, so grateful and 414 00:23:53.020 --> 00:23:58.540 thankful that yeah, we can't speak highly enough of how you 415 00:23:58.540 --> 00:24:01.580 being available to us through the protection portal has 416 00:24:01.580 --> 00:24:06.420 blessed our who, the people we serve. And then by ripple 417 00:24:06.420 --> 00:24:09.340 effect, the people they serve. So we're excited about that. 418 00:24:09.340 --> 00:24:10.020 Thank you. 419 00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:13.500 Thank you so much. Yeah, just so people know, I'm not doing this 420 00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:16.340 to try to get accolades. The reason why I'm doing this is I 421 00:24:16.340 --> 00:24:19.740 want you to understand that in the protection portal, you don't 422 00:24:19.740 --> 00:24:22.500 just have to bring you don't, you're not limited to your own 423 00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:26.820 situations. You can actually bring your client situations in 424 00:24:26.820 --> 00:24:29.900 and don't feel bad about it. Because I've in the protection 425 00:24:29.900 --> 00:24:32.780 portal, I've gotten many emails where people are saying, Is it 426 00:24:32.780 --> 00:24:36.100 okay that I asked you this? It's not my situation, my clients 427 00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:39.580 running into this, my clients run into that, what do I do? And 428 00:24:39.580 --> 00:24:42.980 so by all means, yes, if you're in there, I don't care. I 429 00:24:43.020 --> 00:24:47.100 really don't, it's your time. The only thing I ask is, one 430 00:24:47.100 --> 00:24:50.460 other question that people ask is if they have a partner, can 431 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:53.660 the partner be in the protection portal as well? All right, 432 00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:56.620 that's the one question I get. And the other thing is, if they 433 00:24:56.620 --> 00:24:58.860 have an administrative assistant or a secretary or 434 00:24:58.860 --> 00:24:59.700 paralegal, 435 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.900 Can the paralegal be in the portal as well? 436 00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:04.360 So the answer to all of that is yes. 437 00:25:04.360 --> 00:25:06.580 Okay, but there's one requirement. 438 00:25:06.580 --> 00:25:08.840 If you do that, what I don't allow, 439 00:25:08.840 --> 00:25:11.280 and Todd and Tamara and others can attest to this, 440 00:25:11.280 --> 00:25:14.560 I don't allow doubling up on your questions 441 00:25:14.560 --> 00:25:16.520 in a single session. 442 00:25:16.520 --> 00:25:18.440 The reason why is because it's not honoring 443 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:20.000 to all the other people. 444 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.360 So if you have yourself, your paralegal and your assistant, 445 00:25:23.360 --> 00:25:25.320 and so your paralegal is asking the first question, 446 00:25:25.320 --> 00:25:26.760 your assistant asking the second one, 447 00:25:26.760 --> 00:25:28.780 and your partner is asking the third, 448 00:25:28.780 --> 00:25:30.460 we haven't gotten to anybody else yet. 449 00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:33.860 And it's hard for me to monitor that in real time. 450 00:25:33.860 --> 00:25:35.860 So I just ask that you would honor that. 451 00:25:35.860 --> 00:25:38.480 If you're gonna have two other people listening, 452 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.320 I don't care. 453 00:25:39.320 --> 00:25:41.300 I wanna make sure you're well-equipped, 454 00:25:41.300 --> 00:25:43.620 but please don't like double and triple up 455 00:25:43.620 --> 00:25:45.540 and tag team in that time, 456 00:25:45.540 --> 00:25:48.260 because then it stops others from being able to receive. 457 00:25:48.260 --> 00:25:51.500 So thank you so much, both of you. 458 00:25:51.500 --> 00:25:53.540 Just totally honor you, love you guys, 459 00:25:53.540 --> 00:25:55.420 and especially what you're doing, 460 00:25:55.420 --> 00:25:58.620 the way you're doing the incorporation in ministry. 461 00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:00.500 Everybody really needs to know about that. 462 00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:03.500 So I'll definitely be passing your information on as well. 463 00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:04.340 Yeah. 464 00:26:04.340 --> 00:26:05.180 Thank you both. 465 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:06.000 Thanks Peter. 466 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:06.840 Absolutely. 467 00:26:06.840 --> 00:26:08.700 I'm just gonna ask for one more. 468 00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:11.180 Yeah, can you guys like type into chat how awesome they are? 469 00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:13.460 Like they are, I just love those two. 470 00:26:13.460 --> 00:26:15.080 If you don't know them in your ministry, 471 00:26:15.080 --> 00:26:17.340 you really need to get to know them. 472 00:26:17.340 --> 00:26:20.140 They just, they have a lot to offer. 473 00:26:20.140 --> 00:26:21.940 And I'm gonna ask for a contribution 474 00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:23.700 from one other person I see here. 475 00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:27.100 Mits, how are you? 476 00:26:27.100 --> 00:26:28.340 Hi, everyone. 477 00:26:28.340 --> 00:26:29.180 Hi, Peter. 478 00:26:29.180 --> 00:26:30.900 It's really great to jump on here. 479 00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:32.580 So thank you for inviting me. 480 00:26:32.580 --> 00:26:33.420 Oh, absolutely. 481 00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:35.900 Your challenge, your last challenge was amazing. 482 00:26:35.900 --> 00:26:36.740 I love that. 483 00:26:36.740 --> 00:26:38.060 That was really good. 484 00:26:38.060 --> 00:26:38.900 Yes. 485 00:26:38.900 --> 00:26:39.980 Thank you so much. 486 00:26:39.980 --> 00:26:42.940 So you've been involved with the, 487 00:26:42.940 --> 00:26:44.180 obviously the earlier challenge, 488 00:26:44.180 --> 00:26:45.780 and then you went into the Protection Portal. 489 00:26:45.780 --> 00:26:47.620 Maybe you can give a little bit of your oversight, 490 00:26:47.620 --> 00:26:49.900 because yours is different from Todd and Tamara's. 491 00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:52.060 So I just wanted to get that kind of contrast. 492 00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:53.500 So go right ahead. 493 00:26:53.500 --> 00:26:54.340 Yeah. 494 00:26:54.340 --> 00:26:56.740 So the thing I love about the Protection Portal 495 00:26:57.380 --> 00:26:59.180 is the challenge is absolutely brilliant. 496 00:26:59.180 --> 00:27:01.060 Like it blew my mind, 497 00:27:01.060 --> 00:27:02.700 but there's always so much more. 498 00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:04.860 There's, you know, so many more nuances 499 00:27:04.860 --> 00:27:07.740 and details for your specific situation. 500 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:10.740 So it's really valuable having that opportunity 501 00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:12.380 to go deeper with you, Peter. 502 00:27:12.380 --> 00:27:13.420 I've loved it. 503 00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:15.540 And I saw what Debs wrote, you know, 504 00:27:15.540 --> 00:27:18.540 are there questions that you just feel embarrassed 505 00:27:18.540 --> 00:27:20.220 or awkward about sharing? 506 00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:23.460 And the answer is, you don't have to feel like that at all, 507 00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:26.260 because I'm the one who has all the like 508 00:27:26.260 --> 00:27:29.340 really basic questions and a simple mind 509 00:27:29.340 --> 00:27:32.220 trying to wrap my head around how things work, 510 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:35.660 especially in an industry that is not just black and white, 511 00:27:35.660 --> 00:27:38.420 but there are so many gray areas too. 512 00:27:39.300 --> 00:27:41.100 So you can ask anything. 513 00:27:41.100 --> 00:27:44.420 And like Peter said, it does feel, you know, family, 514 00:27:44.420 --> 00:27:46.260 that we're on this journey together. 515 00:27:47.260 --> 00:27:51.100 And I love what, you know, everyone's been saying so far 516 00:27:51.100 --> 00:27:54.060 that it's not just for your benefit, 517 00:27:54.060 --> 00:27:56.700 but it's been invaluable for the people you work with, 518 00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:58.060 but for the work I do, 519 00:27:58.060 --> 00:28:01.340 it's also the people I collaborate with. 520 00:28:01.340 --> 00:28:03.860 So in this day and age where information 521 00:28:03.860 --> 00:28:06.580 is such a big thing and everyone's a builder, right? 522 00:28:06.580 --> 00:28:09.300 You're all building something. 523 00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:12.300 Like it's good stewardship to not only build, 524 00:28:12.300 --> 00:28:14.580 but to protect. 525 00:28:14.580 --> 00:28:16.660 And I've not had anyone explain it 526 00:28:16.660 --> 00:28:20.380 as well as you have, Peter, with such simplicity. 527 00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:22.300 And I'm actually based in the UK. 528 00:28:22.300 --> 00:28:25.940 So there are nuances to this industry. 529 00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:28.100 And I still jumped in anyway, 530 00:28:28.100 --> 00:28:30.660 because to have an overall understanding 531 00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:34.900 and to know how it works internationally on the world scene 532 00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:36.740 and to have the opportunity 533 00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:41.740 to have your individual situations, you know, tailored to, 534 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:43.580 is absolutely phenomenal. 535 00:28:43.580 --> 00:28:46.180 And just to start off on the right foot 536 00:28:46.180 --> 00:28:48.260 gives you such peace of mind, 537 00:28:49.100 --> 00:28:50.940 not just for your own business, 538 00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:53.740 but, you know, for the others that you interact with, 539 00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:57.660 it's so valuable and such a thrill as well, 540 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:59.380 when you'll be able to share. 541 00:29:00.820 --> 00:29:03.580 Who knew IP could be so fun, Peter? 542 00:29:03.580 --> 00:29:04.420 But yeah. 543 00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:07.500 Well, you'll be happy to know 544 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:08.980 that I'm going to have a special guest 545 00:29:08.980 --> 00:29:10.580 from the United Kingdom for you. 546 00:29:11.580 --> 00:29:12.420 Yes. 547 00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:13.260 So, yeah. 548 00:29:13.260 --> 00:29:14.700 So Mrs. from the United Kingdom, 549 00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:16.380 in case any of you didn't know, 550 00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:20.140 we had a special guest, as you all know, Paula Clancy, 551 00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:21.660 who is from Canada. 552 00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:22.900 Well, we're going to have a special guest 553 00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:24.260 from the United Kingdom 554 00:29:24.260 --> 00:29:26.700 on one of our Protection Portal gatherings 555 00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:28.340 so that they can address some of the issues 556 00:29:28.340 --> 00:29:29.540 in the United Kingdom, 557 00:29:29.540 --> 00:29:30.980 especially because of, you know, 558 00:29:30.980 --> 00:29:34.660 the differences with the EU and the UK and all that. 559 00:29:34.660 --> 00:29:37.580 Big deal, big deal. 560 00:29:37.580 --> 00:29:39.340 And if you don't understand the differences 561 00:29:39.340 --> 00:29:41.780 between the two and that there are separate legal rights, 562 00:29:41.780 --> 00:29:44.060 you can end up in a lot of trouble. 563 00:29:44.060 --> 00:29:44.900 And so we're going to go through that. 564 00:29:45.340 --> 00:29:46.980 Every stage of business too, 565 00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:49.580 even if you're just starting out, you know, 566 00:29:49.580 --> 00:29:51.180 even if you're just getting your first, 567 00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:52.740 for example, website up, 568 00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:55.660 being able to navigate the legal scene, 569 00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:57.020 you know, sets you apart, 570 00:29:57.020 --> 00:30:00.620 but also it's so important in this day and age. 571 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:07.520 age where ideas are so prevalent and people are working with you know there's so many collaborations 572 00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:14.880 you just need to have a good sense of absolutely safe so absolutely thank you so much for joining 573 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:21.600 i love the pictures on uh facebook of the university wow that from yesterday that the 574 00:30:21.600 --> 00:30:25.600 architecture associated with that absolutely amazing i'll touch base with you later absolutely 575 00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:31.200 gorgeous yes so bless you both thank you for joining you're welcome to stay obviously if you 576 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:37.440 want and if uh you're always welcome so i just want to jump into a few things hopefully that 577 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:43.680 helped to give you a perspective from people that um that run ministry-based services and coach lots 578 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:48.640 of people and others perspectives uh and we're going to have a little feedback later in this 579 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:54.480 as well from another individual but i wanted you to see that you know you're allowed to bring your 580 00:30:54.480 --> 00:31:01.120 issues into the forum it doesn't have to be just you okay so with that let's go into the patent 581 00:31:01.120 --> 00:31:07.600 realm a little bit i want to talk about two other areas in the patent realm one that's incredibly 582 00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:17.520 important that will god permitting make your life a lot easier all right the patent world's different 583 00:31:17.520 --> 00:31:24.160 from trademarks copyrights and trade secrets okay in the patent world if you perform a certain 584 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:31.600 action you can lose all of your rights meaning you cannot file a patent application you cannot 585 00:31:31.600 --> 00:31:36.960 um oh some people are asking if you could drop the link all right um i'm getting dms can larissa 586 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:42.080 can you drop the link again for the protection portal uh if you wouldn't mind that'd be a 587 00:31:42.080 --> 00:31:50.320 blessing thank you so much um there you go so that's where you can sign up uh so in the patent 588 00:31:50.320 --> 00:31:55.840 realm if you have a new idea so it's a an invention apparatus a system a method any of those 589 00:31:55.840 --> 00:32:02.560 kind of things and you perform one of the following three things one of these three things then your 590 00:32:02.560 --> 00:32:09.040 idea is considered donated to the public what i mean by that is i don't care how much money you 591 00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:14.880 spent on it in the research development or anything it's gone you can't own it all right 592 00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:22.080 these are called statutory bars okay somebody typed that in the chat they're called statutory bars 593 00:32:23.520 --> 00:32:24.960 okay this is the way they work 594 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.560 statutory bar there's three of them the first statutory bar 595 00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:37.040 good job patricia yeah one of the first statutory bar is called the on sale bar okay 596 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:44.800 what the on sale bar or offer for sale bar says is if your invention is considered to be 597 00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:53.120 substantially complete and you provide a commercial offer for sale 598 00:32:54.800 --> 00:33:02.000 you have one year from that date to file a patent application if you do not 599 00:33:02.080 --> 00:33:07.200 if you do not it's considered donated to the public and gone 600 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.840 what does that mean that means you could file a patent you can get an issued patent but then when 601 00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:19.760 you try to enforce it it'll be invalidated another party will find out about it they'll 602 00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:24.320 file some invalidation proceeding and you'll lose the entire litigation you'll lose your patent 603 00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:31.840 it's called the on sale or offer for sale bar why is this important so for those of you the some of 604 00:33:31.840 --> 00:33:36.160 you know what autocad is if you know what autocad is raise your hand look at that we got a lot of 605 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:44.800 brainiacs here okay all right so in autocad you know how you do it like a 3d rendering 606 00:33:44.800 --> 00:33:49.600 so you come out with this really neat design if you have a really neat design and it's substantially 607 00:33:49.600 --> 00:33:55.280 complete that's that's enough that's considered that that means your invention is substantially 608 00:33:55.280 --> 00:34:00.160 complete complete if you combine that with a what's called a commercial offer for sale 609 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.240 the two of them together means that from that date forward the clock starts if i do that today 610 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:11.440 i have one year from today to file a patent application if i don't my invention is considered 611 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:17.199 donated to the public gone can't do anything about it all right now here's the clincher here's what's 612 00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:22.719 really important about this and this is this is what's very troubling if you have a company 613 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:30.880 if you have a company and you're the inventor of the technology and your head of marketing or your 614 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:38.080 partner goes out there and makes an offer for sale even though it wasn't you if the invention 615 00:34:38.080 --> 00:34:45.760 is substantially complete and a commercial offer for sale is made the clock starts even if it wasn't 616 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.440 you this is why it's really important that if you're working with other people within your team 617 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.600 you tell them hey don't say anything until i file patent applications 618 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.840 don't market this don't put it on your website 619 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.080 Don't go trying to build partnership. 620 00:35:02.080 --> 00:35:06.600 Don't do anything until I tell you it's time to go forward. 621 00:35:06.600 --> 00:35:11.560 People violate this all the time, literally all the time. 622 00:35:11.560 --> 00:35:14.840 And the result is they spend $15,000, $20,000 623 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:15.880 getting a patent. 624 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:16.880 They try to enforce it. 625 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:18.320 It gets invalidated. 626 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.560 And then they just basically lost all the money. 627 00:35:20.560 --> 00:35:25.040 Remember the example I gave you on day one, 628 00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:26.800 the pharmaceutical company? 629 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.720 Does anybody remember that by a show of hands? 630 00:35:28.720 --> 00:35:30.080 Anybody remember that? 631 00:35:30.080 --> 00:35:31.360 OK, a few people remember that. 632 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.760 So just to summarize real fast, that's OK. 633 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:34.280 It's OK. 634 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:35.080 No, it's all right. 635 00:35:35.080 --> 00:35:36.520 We've talked about a lot of stuff. 636 00:35:36.520 --> 00:35:38.360 It's OK. 637 00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:43.040 So what happened was a pharmaceutical company finally 638 00:35:43.040 --> 00:35:44.680 received FDA approval. 639 00:35:44.680 --> 00:35:49.400 Finally, after all this time, received FDA approval. 640 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.160 But before they filed their patent application, 641 00:35:53.160 --> 00:35:56.640 one of the heads of, what was it, the CTO? 642 00:35:56.640 --> 00:35:57.720 Not the CTO. 643 00:35:57.720 --> 00:36:00.480 It was one of the board members, went to a trade show, 644 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.160 offered the drug for sale to other people 645 00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:08.760 before they filed the patent application. 646 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.680 Then after they got FDA approval, 647 00:36:10.680 --> 00:36:13.040 they started selling the drug. 648 00:36:13.040 --> 00:36:14.640 A generic came on the market. 649 00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:18.200 They sued the company who made the generic drug. 650 00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:20.160 The company that made the generic drug 651 00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:24.320 found out that this board member was at a trade show 652 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.040 offering the drug for sale. 653 00:36:28.040 --> 00:36:31.840 So the other company that got sued just basically said, 654 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.200 look, you actually disclosed this and offered it for sale 655 00:36:35.200 --> 00:36:37.520 more than one year prior to your filing of your patent 656 00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:38.040 application. 657 00:36:38.040 --> 00:36:39.320 Your patent's dead. 658 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:40.400 It's invalid. 659 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:41.760 They won in court. 660 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.160 The result, generics came on the market like that. 661 00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:47.760 And the millions of dollars that went 662 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.280 into development of the drug just disappeared. 663 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.720 And somebody got fired. 664 00:36:52.720 --> 00:36:56.560 And you probably all can figure out who that person was. 665 00:36:56.560 --> 00:36:58.200 So it's a really big deal. 666 00:36:58.200 --> 00:36:59.960 Make sure that if you have partners, 667 00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:01.440 you explain this to them. 668 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.840 If you have individuals that are on your team, 669 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.200 in your corporations, explain this basic principle. 670 00:37:07.200 --> 00:37:09.440 Don't violate the on-bar sale. 671 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.120 If you do, you violate the on-bar, the offer for sale, 672 00:37:14.120 --> 00:37:17.480 statutory bar, again, you can't recover. 673 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:18.560 There is no recovery. 674 00:37:18.560 --> 00:37:21.920 This is one of those abysses that you don't get out. 675 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:22.920 It's over. 676 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:23.400 That's it. 677 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.560 There's no second chance. 678 00:37:26.560 --> 00:37:30.680 The second one, the publication bar. 679 00:37:30.680 --> 00:37:33.040 Somebody tap in the chat, publication bar. 680 00:37:35.600 --> 00:37:36.880 Publication bar. 681 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.640 Publication bar, publication bar, yes. 682 00:37:42.640 --> 00:37:44.240 Why am I having you type this stuff? 683 00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:46.400 Because I need you to remember these things. 684 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.120 Because these three things are things 685 00:37:48.120 --> 00:37:50.120 that you cannot recover from. 686 00:37:50.120 --> 00:37:51.920 You violate this, and it's over. 687 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.640 There's no recovery. 688 00:37:53.640 --> 00:37:58.240 So the publication bar says that if you disclose your invention 689 00:37:58.240 --> 00:38:02.040 so that it's readily available to the public. 690 00:38:02.040 --> 00:38:04.200 So think of a website. 691 00:38:04.200 --> 00:38:06.480 Think of writing an article. 692 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:12.160 Think of any publication, a white paper, anything 693 00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:13.720 like that. 694 00:38:13.720 --> 00:38:18.120 If you do that, and more than one year passes, 695 00:38:18.120 --> 00:38:20.880 so you describe it in enough detail 696 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.840 so somebody can practice the invention, 697 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:24.720 and more than one year passes, your invention 698 00:38:24.720 --> 00:38:27.080 is considered donated to the public. 699 00:38:27.080 --> 00:38:28.520 Gone. 700 00:38:28.520 --> 00:38:29.760 Why am I telling you this? 701 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.560 Don't put your inventions on your websites 702 00:38:33.560 --> 00:38:36.120 until you file a patent. 703 00:38:36.120 --> 00:38:37.320 Don't do this. 704 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.200 Oh my gosh, college dissertation. 705 00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:41.440 Yes. 706 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:45.480 That's one of the biggest problems, college dissertation. 707 00:38:45.520 --> 00:38:48.080 That is literally one of the biggest problems. 708 00:38:48.080 --> 00:38:52.480 When somebody is trying to obtain their PhD, 709 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.240 what do they file? 710 00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:55.960 Somebody, like, unmute themselves. 711 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:57.960 What do you file, what do you have 712 00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:59.720 to submit when you're going for your PhD? 713 00:39:03.720 --> 00:39:05.560 What's it called? 714 00:39:05.560 --> 00:39:06.880 Yeah, Libby. 715 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.400 I'm not sure what you call it, but it's like all your work. 716 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.520 It's all your, you've done a research on something, 717 00:39:12.520 --> 00:39:14.680 and it's a very specific area. 718 00:39:14.720 --> 00:39:15.880 A thesis, that's it. 719 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.800 Right, so you actually have to file your thesis. 720 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:18.840 Sorry, couldn't think of it. 721 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:20.480 No, no problem. 722 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.680 So you actually have to submit your thesis 723 00:39:22.680 --> 00:39:25.520 to get your PhD, OK? 724 00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:26.800 So here's the thing. 725 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:32.000 A lot of students who are going for their PhD 726 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.840 will create their thesis and submit it to the college 727 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.480 or to the university. 728 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.960 Well, what do they do after they receive them? 729 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.720 They review them, and they, exactly, 730 00:39:43.720 --> 00:39:45.000 I see people mouthing it out. 731 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:45.760 They publish them. 732 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.200 They put it in their libraries. 733 00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:49.760 They make it readily available on their website. 734 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:50.840 That's what they do. 735 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:55.040 So a lot of these PhD students, what are they trying to do? 736 00:39:55.040 --> 00:39:57.280 They're trying to build a corporation, right? 737 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.720 So they take their PhD student. 738 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:06.960 graduate program curriculum and they come out with some kind of new technology and then they 739 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.680 build a corporation around that technology but they put that in the thesis and they submit it 740 00:40:13.680 --> 00:40:18.960 so then they leave the school and they start out a corporation. Two, three years down the road 741 00:40:20.160 --> 00:40:24.880 they say you know this thing actually is doing okay I think we're going to file patent application 742 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:31.920 too late it's gone it's gone I've I'm telling you I've done presentations at MIT I've done 743 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:38.080 presentations at Dartmouth College and when I say this the last one I did at Dartmouth College 744 00:40:38.080 --> 00:40:42.720 it was for the head of the medical device industry or the medical device curriculum 745 00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:53.760 Keith, Keith Poulsen and students I'm not kidding you students got up the second that I said this 746 00:40:53.760 --> 00:41:01.040 and ran out of the room literally because they were terrified because they realized 747 00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:07.200 that they had to reach out to their professors and beg them not to publish what they had just 748 00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:11.360 submitted because they hadn't filed a patent application yet and they're already trying to 749 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:18.640 start a corporation on that specific idea so for that reason do not do not do not submit for 750 00:41:18.640 --> 00:41:23.760 publication your ideas until you file at least a provisional or utility patent application I'll 751 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:32.960 explain what a provisional is to you in 10 minutes okay all right that was the second bar that's 752 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:40.640 called the publication bar the first bar was called the on sale bar what's the third bar the third bar 753 00:41:40.640 --> 00:41:49.360 is called the public use bar public use bar somebody type in the chat public use 754 00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:58.160 this one is tricky this one's tricky I'm gonna explain it to you I think you're all gonna get 755 00:41:58.160 --> 00:42:02.000 it right away you'll understand it very fast but I'm gonna explain to you why it can be tricky 756 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:08.720 public use public use public use yes there you go public use bar all right here's what happens 757 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:19.520 if a third party if a third party is using the invention for its intended purpose 758 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:26.640 and more than one year passes the invention is considered donated to the public that that's the 759 00:42:26.640 --> 00:42:34.480 rule so just think third party using the invention for the reason the invention was made that's all 760 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.080 third party means not the inventor 761 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:47.120 the one who creates the invention is called the inventor right I'm I create the invention 762 00:42:47.120 --> 00:42:53.920 therefore I'm the inventor that's it very simple very straightforward right if a third party the 763 00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:01.600 party who is not the inventor uses that invention for its intended purpose the clock starts I'm 764 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:08.800 going to give you a practical example let's say I create a bicycle right and so I create this 765 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:14.240 bicycle in my garage and my neighbor I want to find out whether or not this works for people 766 00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:19.600 in different weight classes like I want it I want the smaller I want the children to try it out I 767 00:43:19.600 --> 00:43:24.400 want the adults to try it out I want like people who are light people who are you know heavier 768 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:30.240 whatever the case is I want different people to try this out so I give a prototype which is an 769 00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:38.400 example of my products I give a prototype to my next door neighbor to the right of me who's like 770 00:43:39.200 --> 00:43:47.360 250 270 pure muscle and then I give another prototype to my other neighbor who's like 771 00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:53.840 10 years old you know I give it to him so he can give it to his kid to the so the kid can try it 772 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:59.840 out I'm getting different weight levels to see how the bike works right and I just give it to them 773 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:05.760 and I say here go try it out go use it see what it's like and they go about and they do 774 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:11.520 their business and they report back to me hey Pete yeah there's like the shock is really hard 775 00:44:11.520 --> 00:44:15.600 like for the guy who's really built it really hurts when I ride this thing and the kid's like 776 00:44:15.600 --> 00:44:21.280 I can't even reach my pedals it's not working this stinks this is the worst gift ever you know so 777 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:26.400 you know I'm getting all these different opinions and I'm using that to determine how to modify the 778 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:31.760 invention right that's a third party using the invention which is a bicycle for its intended 779 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:37.360 purpose that is okay because that's called experimental use that's using it to get some 780 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:44.800 feedback I'm just using it to get some feedback here's where the problem comes in if the third 781 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:52.880 party is using the invention for its intended purpose and I'm making money off of it that's 782 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.040 considered a sale that's not that's not called experimental use that's a sale 783 00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.840 you can say all day long well I just want 784 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.280 I wanna see what my neighbor wants 785 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.040 as I gave them a bike for 300 bucks. 786 00:45:04.040 --> 00:45:05.580 I was just trying to get feedback. 787 00:45:05.580 --> 00:45:07.320 Yeah, maybe you're getting feedback, 788 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.240 but that's really a sale. 789 00:45:08.240 --> 00:45:10.520 So that's a violation of the on-sale bar. 790 00:45:12.640 --> 00:45:14.760 So a third party is using the invention 791 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.040 for its intended purpose. 792 00:45:16.040 --> 00:45:17.440 If I'm just trying to get feedback, 793 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.480 I give it to them for a limited time. 794 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:21.720 They give me some feedback 795 00:45:21.720 --> 00:45:23.600 and then I take the bike back, right? 796 00:45:23.600 --> 00:45:25.760 I might just kind of say, you know what? 797 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:27.120 I got my feedback, thank you. 798 00:45:27.120 --> 00:45:28.540 I got the prototypes back. 799 00:45:28.580 --> 00:45:30.620 So there's no money being exchanged, right? 800 00:45:30.620 --> 00:45:32.980 It's just testing, testing, testing. 801 00:45:32.980 --> 00:45:35.140 That happens in software too. 802 00:45:35.140 --> 00:45:38.180 Alpha versions of software, beta versions of software. 803 00:45:38.180 --> 00:45:40.300 That's testing, testing, testing. 804 00:45:40.300 --> 00:45:41.420 You need somebody to tell you 805 00:45:41.420 --> 00:45:42.840 whether or not the software works. 806 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:43.680 What do you do? 807 00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:45.060 You send them a beta version 808 00:45:45.060 --> 00:45:46.700 and you say, look, I need your feedback, 809 00:45:46.700 --> 00:45:50.100 but you don't charge them 150 bucks for the software. 810 00:45:50.100 --> 00:45:51.620 Cause if you charge them 150 bucks 811 00:45:51.620 --> 00:45:53.700 and said, give me your feedback, you just made a sale. 812 00:45:53.700 --> 00:45:55.900 You just got a perk in that the person's gonna give you 813 00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:58.500 some feedback, but that's still a sale. 814 00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:01.900 So for that reason, you have to make sure, 815 00:46:01.900 --> 00:46:05.260 the general rule is a third party using the invention 816 00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:08.660 for its intended purpose, a person who's not the inventor. 817 00:46:08.660 --> 00:46:11.660 If they do, then it's considered a violation 818 00:46:11.660 --> 00:46:15.220 of the public use bar, okay? 819 00:46:15.220 --> 00:46:18.100 So if my neighbor came up with a bike 820 00:46:19.100 --> 00:46:23.820 that looks like mine, okay, without me, 821 00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:25.780 then that's a third party using the invention 822 00:46:26.660 --> 00:46:27.500 for its intended purpose. 823 00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:30.460 So that's the public using the invention. 824 00:46:30.460 --> 00:46:33.820 You know, I really can't do anything about that, okay? 825 00:46:33.820 --> 00:46:35.900 But that actually falls into another area of law. 826 00:46:35.900 --> 00:46:37.580 I'm not gonna, I don't wanna complicate things. 827 00:46:37.580 --> 00:46:40.500 So basically, why am I telling you all this? 828 00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:41.340 Keep it simple. 829 00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:42.960 Just keep it very simple. 830 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:45.460 If you have an invention and you wanna get feedback, 831 00:46:45.460 --> 00:46:46.460 don't charge for it. 832 00:46:48.100 --> 00:46:50.300 That's the simplest way to do this. 833 00:46:50.300 --> 00:46:52.260 Simplest way to do this, okay? 834 00:46:53.260 --> 00:46:56.940 I'm giving you my prototype, you can test it out, 835 00:46:56.940 --> 00:47:00.180 you can give me some feedback, give me my prototype back. 836 00:47:00.180 --> 00:47:04.420 You know, I may pay you to give me the feedback, 837 00:47:04.420 --> 00:47:06.400 but I'm not, you're not, 838 00:47:08.660 --> 00:47:12.500 that person is not paying me for the product, okay? 839 00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:13.540 Does that make sense? 840 00:47:14.600 --> 00:47:18.980 If that person is paying me to use the product 841 00:47:18.980 --> 00:47:20.700 I'm giving them, that's a sale. 842 00:47:20.700 --> 00:47:22.700 I don't care how you paint it. 843 00:47:22.700 --> 00:47:24.700 I don't care if it's a goat, you put it in a dress, 844 00:47:24.700 --> 00:47:26.620 it's still a goat, all right? 845 00:47:26.620 --> 00:47:29.580 You can put it a goat in a dress and try to go to the prom, 846 00:47:29.580 --> 00:47:31.820 it ain't working, it's a goat, okay? 847 00:47:31.820 --> 00:47:33.160 That's just the way it is. 848 00:47:33.160 --> 00:47:37.500 So the situation is that if you take your invention 849 00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:40.860 and you sell it to another person and try to get feedback, 850 00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:42.980 that's a violation of the on-sale bar. 851 00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:44.740 Why am I stressing this? 852 00:47:44.740 --> 00:47:48.320 Because I handle these cases in litigation all the time. 853 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.380 In Massachusetts Federal District Court, 854 00:47:51.060 --> 00:47:52.140 in Eastern District of Texas, 855 00:47:52.140 --> 00:47:53.780 in Southern District of California, 856 00:47:53.780 --> 00:47:56.020 in Florida, in New Hampshire, 857 00:47:56.020 --> 00:47:58.020 like these are the cases that I litigate. 858 00:47:58.020 --> 00:47:59.260 It happens all the time. 859 00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:01.400 People don't know this basic thing. 860 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:02.780 Three statutory bars. 861 00:48:02.780 --> 00:48:06.100 One last time, a goat's a goat, even in a dress. 862 00:48:08.820 --> 00:48:11.140 The things we learn in a challenge. 863 00:48:11.140 --> 00:48:14.060 A goat is a goat, even in a dress. 864 00:48:14.060 --> 00:48:16.240 This is, these are our takeaways. 865 00:48:16.240 --> 00:48:18.720 All right, so there are three statutory bars. 866 00:48:18.720 --> 00:48:20.880 Let's go over them one more time. 867 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:25.360 Three, first one, offer for sale bar. 868 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.880 If the invention's considered substantially complete, 869 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.280 think of AutoCAD, all right? 870 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.760 Think of your beta versions of the software 871 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:34.960 and you offer it for sale, 872 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:36.720 meaning a commercial offer for sale. 873 00:48:36.720 --> 00:48:38.760 Even if you're not the person doing it, 874 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.720 if it's a member of your company or a partner, 875 00:48:41.720 --> 00:48:43.320 that's considered an offer for sale. 876 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:44.680 You have one year from that date 877 00:48:44.680 --> 00:48:45.800 to file a patent application. 878 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.800 If you don't, gonzo, it's considered donated to the public. 879 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.140 Second bar, the publication bar. 880 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:58.240 If you take a description of your invention 881 00:48:59.720 --> 00:49:01.040 and you describe it in a manner 882 00:49:01.040 --> 00:49:03.200 so that somebody of ordinary skill in the art, 883 00:49:03.200 --> 00:49:05.080 somebody like you could pick up that document 884 00:49:05.080 --> 00:49:07.440 and practice the invention from your description 885 00:49:08.640 --> 00:49:10.520 and it's readily available to the public, 886 00:49:10.520 --> 00:49:12.020 meaning it's in a publication, 887 00:49:12.020 --> 00:49:14.080 that's why it's called a publication bar, 888 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.560 then if one year passes, it's donated to the public. 889 00:49:18.560 --> 00:49:20.840 It's gone, all right? 890 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.120 And today, just so you know, in Facebook today, 891 00:49:23.120 --> 00:49:25.560 I'm gonna drop a document for you 892 00:49:25.560 --> 00:49:28.240 that has each one of these and describes them for you 893 00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:29.880 so you can take it with you, okay? 894 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:31.040 Make your lives easier. 895 00:49:32.160 --> 00:49:34.500 All right, that's the second bar, the publication bar. 896 00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:37.740 The third bar, public use bar. 897 00:49:37.740 --> 00:49:39.920 If a third party is using the invention 898 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.280 for its intended purpose, donate it to the public 899 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.960 if more than one year passes, okay? 900 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.960 Now, just so you understand the reasoning for this, why? 901 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.400 Like, why is it the case that if you publish the invention 902 00:49:59.080 --> 00:50:00.580 and more than one year passes? 903 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:07.060 passes. You can't own a patent. Or why is it that if you offer it for sale, you can't 904 00:50:07.060 --> 00:50:11.300 file a patent later? Or why is it that if a third party is using it for its intended 905 00:50:11.300 --> 00:50:16.100 purpose, you can't file a patent? The reason why is because you put it out in the public 906 00:50:16.100 --> 00:50:19.940 in the public season, the public's using it, the public's interacting with it. Now you 907 00:50:19.940 --> 00:50:23.580 wait five years and then all of a sudden you have this enlightening moment and say, let 908 00:50:23.580 --> 00:50:28.780 me file a patent. Then you're going to stop all the people that think it's publicly available. 909 00:50:28.780 --> 00:50:34.180 That's not fair. So the government says, I think the government got it right this time. 910 00:50:34.180 --> 00:50:40.060 So the government says, hey, if you're going to offer it for sale, if you're going to publicly 911 00:50:40.060 --> 00:50:44.300 make it available, or if third parties are going to use it for its intended purpose, 912 00:50:44.300 --> 00:50:47.980 you've got one year to file your patent. If you don't, we can't take a chance on the public 913 00:50:47.980 --> 00:50:53.340 starting to do what you've made publicly available. And then you decide, I'm going to go ahead 914 00:50:53.340 --> 00:50:59.900 and sue everybody after I did that. That's not fair. Okay. Does that kind of make sense? 915 00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:06.780 The three stat story bars. So all you have to remember is don't publish it. Don't talk 916 00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:12.520 about your invention. This is why when I go into challenges or where I go into other environments 917 00:51:12.520 --> 00:51:20.540 where people are throwing their ideas back and forth, I cringe because I think this idea 918 00:51:20.540 --> 00:51:26.340 may be worth a million dollars and they're here disclosing their invention. And if they 919 00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:31.380 violate one of the statutory bars, they have one year to file something in the United States. 920 00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:35.900 If they don't, it's considered donated to the public. They may have just lost their 921 00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:40.140 invention. Now we just talked about the United States and the United States. You have one 922 00:51:40.140 --> 00:51:52.220 year. Everybody has to hear this. In foreign countries, there is no one year. Exactly. 923 00:51:52.220 --> 00:52:01.420 I see a lot of faces in shock right now. What does that mean? That means if there's a publication 924 00:52:01.420 --> 00:52:09.420 with regard to your technology, the second you published, it's gone. The second you 925 00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:19.060 disclosed it, it's gone. This is why it's important to be careful what you talk about. 926 00:52:19.060 --> 00:52:26.100 This is why when you signed up for this challenge, I made you check a form that says, you understand 927 00:52:26.100 --> 00:52:35.580 this isn't attorney-client privilege. There's no legal advice. One of the other things I've 928 00:52:35.580 --> 00:52:41.820 talked to you about is don't bring your inventions in here and talk about them. I've had people 929 00:52:41.820 --> 00:52:48.060 try to do that and I've shut them down midstream. Why? Because I care about you. I don't want 930 00:52:48.060 --> 00:52:54.660 you losing the blessings that you're receiving. This falls into that realm of just to get 931 00:52:54.660 --> 00:53:00.180 spiritual for a second here. This falls into that realm of if the Lord is blessing you 932 00:53:00.180 --> 00:53:06.860 with an idea, the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy. What's his first, his literally 933 00:53:06.860 --> 00:53:14.740 number one assignment? Steal. What better way to steal than to make you start disclosing 934 00:53:14.740 --> 00:53:20.420 your invention? Second you disclose it, you now can't obtain any rights to it. You essentially 935 00:53:20.420 --> 00:53:26.180 sabotage your own situation. This is why the three stat story bars are so important 936 00:53:26.180 --> 00:53:30.260 to know. They're going to be in writing. They're going to be in the Facebook group. You can 937 00:53:30.260 --> 00:53:37.020 look at them and so you can digest them over time. I want to make sure that you are actively 938 00:53:37.020 --> 00:53:41.620 partaking in this part here. That is probably the most important part of patent law. What 939 00:53:41.620 --> 00:53:45.660 I just told you right there is probably the most important part. Now I'm going to tell 940 00:53:45.660 --> 00:53:53.500 you the second most important part. We kind of touched base on this yesterday. This will 941 00:53:53.500 --> 00:54:00.460 be the last substantive thing that I'll be sharing with you. Then right after that, let 942 00:54:00.460 --> 00:54:08.060 me see. Then we have a special guest. Rowena! Rowena! Oh my gosh. So good to see you. Do 943 00:54:08.060 --> 00:54:15.140 you have five more minutes? I do have five more minutes. Yes. Okay. All right. Let me 944 00:54:15.140 --> 00:54:22.100 share this quickly. Rowena already knows this. So, okay. In the patent world, patents 945 00:54:22.100 --> 00:54:27.380 are expensive. Very expensive. Okay. Filing a patent application costs you $9,000, $10,000, 946 00:54:27.380 --> 00:54:33.700 $11,000, $12,000 just to file it. Okay. The government knew this. So the government created 947 00:54:33.700 --> 00:54:39.340 what are called provisional patents. That's all you need to know. Provisional patents. 948 00:54:39.340 --> 00:54:45.900 You talk to a lawyer, just ask them, what's a provisional patent? Can I file a provisional 949 00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:52.780 patent instead of a utility patent? Because it's going to cost a lot less. All right. 950 00:54:53.660 --> 00:54:59.820 It's a secret to the industry that most people don't talk about. Okay. 951 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.680 That's, I wanted to mention that to you, OK? 952 00:55:03.680 --> 00:55:06.320 What a provisional patent is, is the only requirement 953 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:07.760 is a title and a description. 954 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:08.600 That's it. 955 00:55:08.600 --> 00:55:11.280 A utility patent has a title. 956 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:12.440 You can just listen to this. 957 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:13.480 You don't have to write this down, 958 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:14.960 because you're not going to be able to write all this part 959 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:15.640 down, just so you know. 960 00:55:15.640 --> 00:55:17.220 I mean, you can write if you want to. 961 00:55:17.220 --> 00:55:21.020 But a utility patent has a title, cross-reference 962 00:55:21.020 --> 00:55:24.200 to the related applications, field of the invention, 963 00:55:24.200 --> 00:55:27.280 background of the invention, summary of the invention, 964 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.800 abstract, claims, brief description of the drawings, 965 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.680 and a detailed description, and at least one drawing, 966 00:55:33.680 --> 00:55:36.120 if necessary, to understand the invention. 967 00:55:36.120 --> 00:55:38.280 It's a big document. 968 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:43.000 Provisional, title, description, period. 969 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.320 There's a difference in cost. 970 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:50.480 So if you're doing a startup, it would be absolutely brilliant 971 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:52.720 for you to ask your attorneys, hey, look, 972 00:55:52.720 --> 00:55:53.880 I don't have a lot of money. 973 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:57.080 Can I file a provisional, just to maintain the filing date? 974 00:55:57.080 --> 00:55:59.720 And if I can, within a year, I can 975 00:55:59.720 --> 00:56:02.200 determine whether or not I can file a utility patent. 976 00:56:02.200 --> 00:56:04.120 So just remember the word provisional. 977 00:56:04.120 --> 00:56:04.640 That's it. 978 00:56:04.640 --> 00:56:06.760 That's all you need to do, OK? 979 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:10.280 Now, we've got a special guest here who I absolutely adore. 980 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:12.760 And the reason why I asked her to be here 981 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.280 is because she is an incredible coach. 982 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.760 She's guided a lot of us over time. 983 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:21.240 And she was actually in our first challenge. 984 00:56:21.240 --> 00:56:23.880 And I just wanted to get her to have a moment 985 00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:27.480 to just kind of talk about how she's implementing this stuff. 986 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:30.040 Because while you've learned a lot of different things, 987 00:56:30.040 --> 00:56:31.520 there's a difference between learning things 988 00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:33.080 and knowing how to implement them. 989 00:56:33.080 --> 00:56:34.400 There really is. 990 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.560 And so what you're going to find is, 991 00:56:36.560 --> 00:56:39.360 remember how I told you one of the most important things 992 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:44.360 that I wanted to make sure you could do was to issue spot? 993 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:46.480 You don't have to understand absolutely everything. 994 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:49.960 But if you can issue spot, being in a meeting with your people, 995 00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:51.680 with your who, who you love and adore, 996 00:56:51.680 --> 00:56:52.960 you're trying to take care of. 997 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.000 And they mention something. 998 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.840 And all of a sudden, you get this gut feeling 999 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:57.240 like something's wrong. 1000 00:56:57.240 --> 00:56:58.840 I don't know what it is. 1001 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.720 But man, that's either like, is that a Circle R issue? 1002 00:57:01.720 --> 00:57:03.000 I know it's trademarks. 1003 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:03.800 Where's my chart? 1004 00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:04.440 Oh, there it is. 1005 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:05.600 It falls under there. 1006 00:57:05.600 --> 00:57:06.200 There it is. 1007 00:57:06.200 --> 00:57:07.760 That's where it goes. 1008 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.240 Let me go speak to somebody who knows what's going on, all 1009 00:57:10.240 --> 00:57:10.880 right? 1010 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.000 So Rowena, can you kind of speak towards this? 1011 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:14.800 Because I know you have a lot of experience in this area. 1012 00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:16.960 And I just want to kind of honor you and give you 1013 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.520 a moment to kind of help the people out to understand that. 1014 00:57:20.520 --> 00:57:21.600 Absolutely, Peter. 1015 00:57:21.600 --> 00:57:22.560 Thank you so much. 1016 00:57:22.600 --> 00:57:24.600 I love seeing so many of my family members here. 1017 00:57:24.600 --> 00:57:26.760 I'm proud of you. 1018 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:27.760 Got girlfriends in here. 1019 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:28.560 That's so cool. 1020 00:57:28.560 --> 00:57:30.280 Love y'all. 1021 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:34.880 OK, so Peter, I learned about Peter's Protect Your Idea 1022 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.840 challenge when we were going through his funnel 1023 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:40.600 at the workshop. 1024 00:57:40.600 --> 00:57:41.640 Yeah, and you helped me. 1025 00:57:41.640 --> 00:57:42.160 Yeah. 1026 00:57:42.160 --> 00:57:43.200 At the castle. 1027 00:57:43.200 --> 00:57:44.960 Yeah, so I distinctly remembered when 1028 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:47.280 you said December 13th was your challenge. 1029 00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.080 And so some of you might relate to this. 1030 00:57:50.080 --> 00:57:51.600 But for years and years and years, 1031 00:57:51.600 --> 00:57:56.320 I have really wanted to file trademarks and copyrights 1032 00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.400 and didn't really understand the patent world, 1033 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.320 obviously, because I was in the fashion and creative realm. 1034 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.040 And then going into the digital, transitioning all of my skills 1035 00:58:06.040 --> 00:58:07.760 in the digital realm, and knowing 1036 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.080 that there is risk of losing some 1037 00:58:11.080 --> 00:58:15.600 of my proprietary frameworks, right? 1038 00:58:15.600 --> 00:58:19.240 And so when I learned about Peter's Protect Your Idea 1039 00:58:19.240 --> 00:58:21.480 challenge, I knew it was something 1040 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.400 that was like a response to the desire. 1041 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:29.880 I've always wanted to be able to protect my own ideas. 1042 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:33.560 But then now, as a coach and a consultant 1043 00:58:33.560 --> 00:58:38.040 in the niche digital space, there's 1044 00:58:38.040 --> 00:58:41.040 a greater sense of urgency to protect not just myself 1045 00:58:41.040 --> 00:58:43.640 and the frameworks that the Lord has given me, 1046 00:58:43.640 --> 00:58:47.400 but also to protect my clients and the brilliant ideas, 1047 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:54.720 frameworks, methodologies, copy, slogans, logos, names, 1048 00:58:54.720 --> 00:58:57.200 ideas that they have that are God-given, 1049 00:58:57.200 --> 00:58:58.520 I believe God-given. 1050 00:58:58.520 --> 00:59:01.440 But they're just so, they think, oh, the minute, 1051 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.320 I want to be first to talk about it. 1052 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:07.120 And they start naming their companies 1053 00:59:07.120 --> 00:59:09.400 on their Instagram accounts and their Facebooks 1054 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:12.480 without protecting or checking if there is anybody trademark 1055 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.000 or protecting that, their name, right? 1056 00:59:16.040 --> 00:59:21.840 So when Peter talked about the statutory bars, 1057 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.360 the publication blew my mind, y'all, 1058 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.560 when the minute he said that the moment that you say out loud 1059 00:59:27.560 --> 00:59:31.080 your God idea, your framework, your methodology, 1060 00:59:31.080 --> 00:59:34.800 your potential trademark, your potential and your invention, 1061 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:38.000 the minute the statutory bar clock starts ticking, 1062 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.280 you have up to a year to protect that idea. 1063 00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:43.840 Otherwise, it's a gift to the public. 1064 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:47.400 And that's how the enemy steals our stuff, right? 1065 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.360 And so I felt like it came at this appropriate time 1066 00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.880 so that before I start taking on clients 1067 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:57.760 and consulting clients, coaching clients, 1068 00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.360 that this is going to be an opportunity for me to add. 1069 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.160 to my toolbox, my skill set, to be able to not just, to be knowledgeable in this area of how to 1070 01:00:06.160 --> 01:00:11.840 protect their frameworks and their ideas, right? And their inventions, and even the books that 1071 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:18.240 they're looking to write, right? Or have written, or how can you protect, you know, a script? So, 1072 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.720 a recent conversation I'd shared within the Protection Portal when we had our meeting last 1073 01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:27.600 week was, I was in, I was having coffee with a friend and they wanted to turn a book that, 1074 01:00:27.680 --> 01:00:32.560 a book they did not write, it was somebody else's book, and they wanted to write a pilot program, 1075 01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:37.520 a television pilot for it. And I said, hey, do you have permission? And they're like, no, 1076 01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:42.320 we want to launch the pilot and then we want to then talk to the author. I was like, 1077 01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:50.400 major red flag, major red flag. I think that you have, there's infringement, at the very least, 1078 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:55.200 there's infringement involved in the original author, since you don't know him, you have no 1079 01:00:55.200 --> 01:01:00.160 relationship to him, and you haven't yet to contact him. So, I said, before you put all this 1080 01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:06.000 money into filming the pilot, we need to have another conversation. I actually have a call 1081 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:11.280 tomorrow with, in the Protection Portal, and that's how I was able to bring that up to Peter, 1082 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:18.880 and we were able to discuss how to, what sounds like infringement, you know? What is an issue? 1083 01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:23.680 Is this a TM issue? Is it a circle art issue? Is it a copyright? Is it a patent? And so, 1084 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:30.080 I felt like this is a great community, just to talk about how do we begin to understand 1085 01:01:30.080 --> 01:01:36.800 protecting our ideas? How do we begin to caution our clients on how to protect our ideas? And so, 1086 01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:41.760 that's what I felt like was invaluable to me, joining this community. And so, I love getting 1087 01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:47.520 to see all my friends here, my coaching friends, my 100x friends, crush it friends. So, yeah. So, 1088 01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:51.040 is there anything else that you'd like me to share? That was brilliant. I mean, that, honestly, 1089 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:56.560 that situation that you just laid out is so practical, and it's such a real-life situation. 1090 01:01:56.560 --> 01:02:02.400 And if I recall, one of the things that we looked at was, with books, inventors or the 1091 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:07.280 original authors sometimes give the rights to the publishers or give the rights to another entity. 1092 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:12.080 So, the question is, who is the party who actually owns the rights to the books now? 1093 01:02:12.080 --> 01:02:17.040 Because you might go reaching out to the original author, but the author doesn't own the rights. 1094 01:02:17.040 --> 01:02:22.160 It's another company. So, now, you get the author who's saying, oh, yeah, I, by all means, 1095 01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:26.720 give you rights to go and make a movie. You go making a movie or go make some kind of series, 1096 01:02:26.720 --> 01:02:30.960 and then you get sued. And you go, how did that happen? I got permission from the author. That's 1097 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.800 because the author already sold the right title and interest to the publisher or to another entity 1098 01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:42.720 that actually owns the rights. I mean, I actually represented Ben Deanda in attempting to obtain 1099 01:02:42.720 --> 01:02:48.560 rights to Carol Kuhlman's entire collection. And we were trying to go down this route. And, 1100 01:02:48.560 --> 01:02:53.760 by the way, looking at some of Carol Kuhlman's stuff, oh, my gosh. I'm sorry, Catherine Kuhlman's 1101 01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:59.680 stuff. Yeah. I mean, just, oh, my gosh. Just amazing. And so, he was trying to put the whole 1102 01:02:59.680 --> 01:03:05.040 collection into one area so everybody could go online, become a member, and then have access to 1103 01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:10.720 it. But the fact was that a certain university had the rights to it. So, we tried to work through 1104 01:03:10.720 --> 01:03:15.520 them. So, even though we spoke to the foundation and the foundation saying, yeah, go for it. You 1105 01:03:15.520 --> 01:03:20.080 know, that's cool. It's not a big deal. I said, hold it. Do they really own the rights here? 1106 01:03:20.720 --> 01:03:26.000 And then, as we dug in, they didn't have the rights. So, the foundation is saying, go forth 1107 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:30.880 and prosper. And in the meantime, the university is saying, I don't think so. You should speak to 1108 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:35.520 our lawyers because we have all the rights here. And we're not ready to let somebody else take the 1109 01:03:35.520 --> 01:03:40.800 materials and put it online and have a membership thing. That's not happening. So, these are real 1110 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:46.640 life situations. So, Rowena, you just, you bring so much to the table and, you know, just love you, 1111 01:03:46.640 --> 01:03:51.920 honor you. You're awesome. So, and thanks for helping me on the first funnel. That was awesome. 1112 01:03:51.920 --> 01:04:00.400 Thank you. So, all, just thank you so much. This is incredible. I'll take like one or two questions 1113 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:06.880 and then we'll close out our last day. We do have a bonus session tomorrow at 12. I'm doing this 1114 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:12.240 because you've requested it. So, we'll get together. We're going to do a real live search for logos, 1115 01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:19.120 which is very unordinary. Most people don't know how to search logos on the internet. I'm going to 1116 01:04:19.120 --> 01:04:25.040 show you how to do a trademark search for logos. And separate from that, guys, just light up. Oh, 1117 01:04:25.040 --> 01:04:29.440 you're already doing it. I was going to say, can you light up the chat for Rowena? It's already 1118 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:36.400 done. These people just love you. That's awesome. So, let me open up the line for anybody who has 1119 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:46.240 a question. Jennifer, Coach Jennifer, go right ahead. So, what Rowena was talking about and the 1120 01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:54.000 example you gave made me think that even before I take on a client, I might want to know some of 1121 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:59.840 those things because I'm guessing if they are already in violation of something in some way. 1122 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:08.000 And I'm not going to take you on then as a marketing client to continue doing what you're doing when you're already in violation. 1123 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:12.000 You go fix that first, then we'll talk. 1124 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.000 Or I can help you with this other stuff, but not that stuff. 1125 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.000 Because I'm guessing that would make me complicit, potentially. 1126 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:21.000 Yeah, and you know, it's amazing. 1127 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:23.000 You're nailing major legal issues. 1128 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:30.000 What you just talked about, see, in the patent world, it's anybody who makes you sales or imports. 1129 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.000 I don't care if you're the original person or the second person or the third person or the fourth person. 1130 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:39.000 Anybody in the chain runs into the problem. 1131 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:45.000 So if somebody has a patent on a certain process and you're helping this party go forth in performing that process, 1132 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:50.000 you essentially can fall into a section called indirect infringement. 1133 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:51.000 That's a possibility. 1134 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:56.000 So you're not a direct infringer, but you could possibly be an indirect infringer. 1135 01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.000 That's an analysis that we would have to do over the circumstances. 1136 01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:03.000 But it's really important to understand beforehand, are there issues? 1137 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.000 Are there not? 1138 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:10.000 Am I essentially becoming an accessory to those issues or not? 1139 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:14.000 And so at least now you can identify the issues. 1140 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:19.000 Before, you're just kind of blindly working with people and you didn't know there were any issues at all. 1141 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:25.000 Now, at least, you know, there may be something to kind of be careful about. 1142 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:30.000 Yeah. And like Kathy just put in the chat, like this now goes on my client intake form, right? 1143 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:31.000 Like, what are we talking about? 1144 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.000 And right, because I'm not really interested in sharing a cell with you. 1145 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:38.000 So let's just let's just get this cleared up now. 1146 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:45.000 There aren't too many. There aren't too many people who commit patent infringement in the D block, you know, in maximum security. 1147 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.000 Just so you know, because they wouldn't survive. 1148 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:52.000 They would not survive a day. OK, so. 1149 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:56.000 Yeah. But maybe blue collar prisoners. I don't know. But not too many people go to prison. 1150 01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:00.000 But there are very, very stiff fines. Very stiff fines. 1151 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.000 Yeah. So, Larissa, you had a question. 1152 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:07.000 I want to bring up a question that was asked about sharing your wedding inventions. 1153 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:11.000 What if you're sharing with a close like a family member, personal friend? 1154 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:21.000 It doesn't matter. There's no such there's no such there's no measuring stick that says how close are they in relationship to you? 1155 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:25.000 It doesn't doesn't exist. It's a third party. 1156 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:31.000 I'm the inventor. I'm sharing it with. Now, remember, the three stats to rebars, the way they work. 1157 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:36.000 The offer for sale bar is it's a commercial offer for sale. 1158 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:41.000 Right. So it doesn't have to be in writing, though. A commercial offer for sale doesn't mean in writing. 1159 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:49.000 You can speak a commercial offer for sale. If the other party can accept the offer for sale, then it's considered a commercial offer for sale. 1160 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:54.000 All right. And then with regard to publication, it has to be readily available to the public. 1161 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.000 And it has to describe the invention so that one of ordinary skill in the art could practice it. 1162 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:02.000 So somebody picks it up and says, I could practice that invention. 1163 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:07.000 Right. And then public use is a third party using it for its intended purpose. 1164 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:16.000 So it but in foreign countries, which we didn't go into in detail, and I don't want to confuse people, but you have the recording so you can listen to it. 1165 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:23.000 In certain foreign countries, the second you disclose it, gone to the United States has these three these three statutory bars. 1166 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:29.000 So if I'm if I go right here and I say, you know what, I've got this great new idea has to do with a cell phone. 1167 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:40.000 And the way it works is if you take one piece of hair and you drop it into this slot, all of a sudden it will give you access to your bank accounts and all this other stuff. 1168 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:44.000 And now you can just kind of speak to a cell phone and it's going to do all your transactions. Right. 1169 01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:48.000 That'll probably lead to a lot of really corrupt people pulling people's hair. 1170 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:53.000 But anyways, we're going to put that on the side for a moment. 1171 01:08:54.000 --> 01:09:04.000 The fact that I just kind of talked about that I talked about the portion that would be protectable in the United States, that wouldn't be a publication that wouldn't be an offer for sale. 1172 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:12.000 And that wouldn't be a public use. So that's not a problem. The problem is in foreign countries, there's an absolute non disclosure requirement. 1173 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:27.000 So the fact that I disclosed it at that level may be a problem in certain countries. So to be safe, just when you talk about things, just say, I've got a new way of using a cell phone that uses some biomaterial. 1174 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:39.000 But keep it so high level that people don't know exactly what it is. So when you go into as an example, when you go into your meeting rooms, if you're jumping into challenges, which we all do. 1175 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:50.000 And in that challenge, it says, hey, I want you guys to go into, you know, I want you guys to kind of talk about your inventions, like, don't go in detail on your inventions. 1176 01:09:50.000 --> 01:10:00.000 What you do is you just add a top level. So like if my invention is a bicycle, well, I found a way to not use a motor and get from a first point to a second point. 1177 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.560 point by just sitting on something, that's it. 1178 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:04.360 That's top level. 1179 01:10:04.360 --> 01:10:06.220 Nobody knows there's at least two wheels 1180 01:10:06.220 --> 01:10:09.920 rotatably connected to a center mass 1181 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.240 with pedals that allow for acceleration, 1182 01:10:12.240 --> 01:10:14.400 a braking system on a handlebar 1183 01:10:14.400 --> 01:10:15.960 that's connected to the first wheel. 1184 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:17.260 Nobody knows all that. 1185 01:10:17.260 --> 01:10:19.360 When you start going into that level of detail, 1186 01:10:19.360 --> 01:10:21.040 now you're disclosing too much 1187 01:10:21.040 --> 01:10:23.240 that may be a problem in foreign countries. 1188 01:10:23.240 --> 01:10:24.940 In the United States, you're fine 1189 01:10:24.940 --> 01:10:26.080 because it's not a violation 1190 01:10:26.080 --> 01:10:28.440 of any of the three stat story bars. 1191 01:10:28.440 --> 01:10:31.040 But again, I don't want to give you... 1192 01:10:31.040 --> 01:10:32.520 If you're in the portal, 1193 01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.760 you can get a lot of this detail. 1194 01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:39.760 We go into a lot of slow drawing out of things 1195 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:41.720 and scenarios and what about this? 1196 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:43.640 What if it's Tuesday? 1197 01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:45.560 What if it's a lunar eclipse? 1198 01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:48.000 Like, you know, we go into everything. 1199 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.740 But for here, I just want to keep it short. 1200 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.820 Christa, you had a question. 1201 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:57.560 Larissa, is your second one quick? 1202 01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:00.360 All right, let me go to Larissa's really quick 1203 01:11:00.360 --> 01:11:01.440 and then I'll go to you, Christa, okay? 1204 01:11:01.440 --> 01:11:02.340 What was your quick one? 1205 01:11:02.340 --> 01:11:03.400 Good. 1206 01:11:03.400 --> 01:11:05.320 Libby asked, and you can determine 1207 01:11:05.320 --> 01:11:08.380 if you want to like fold this to VIP or otherwise, 1208 01:11:08.380 --> 01:11:09.840 and she might need to clarify, 1209 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:11.960 what if you contributed to a book? 1210 01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:13.400 Sort of like, I am the contributor. 1211 01:11:13.400 --> 01:11:14.840 We got to cover that in VIP. 1212 01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:16.600 That's very detailed. 1213 01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:18.640 That's a VIP thing, Libby. 1214 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:19.920 Yeah, it's a great question. 1215 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.060 It's going to take about five minutes to answer that. 1216 01:11:22.060 --> 01:11:23.320 That's a big one. 1217 01:11:23.320 --> 01:11:25.120 Christa, go right ahead. 1218 01:11:25.120 --> 01:11:27.320 I feel like my question might be a little too detailed. 1219 01:11:27.320 --> 01:11:29.120 So maybe we wait for VIP. 1220 01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:30.360 Okay, go ahead. 1221 01:11:30.360 --> 01:11:31.200 You want me to ask it? 1222 01:11:31.200 --> 01:11:32.020 Go ahead and ask. 1223 01:11:32.020 --> 01:11:32.860 I'll let you know. 1224 01:11:32.860 --> 01:11:34.760 Okay, specifically with a patent. 1225 01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:36.800 So you're talking about international stuff. 1226 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:39.160 Like I was trying to determine whether or not 1227 01:11:39.160 --> 01:11:40.840 if I should file a patent, 1228 01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:44.400 like where it would be manufactured possibly. 1229 01:11:44.400 --> 01:11:45.880 I'm hoping it's going to be the States, 1230 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:49.680 but what if I'm manufacturing over in China 1231 01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:51.480 but I don't have a patent there? 1232 01:11:51.480 --> 01:11:53.960 Then I'm like, oh, they're going to steal my idea. 1233 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:55.160 Yeah, great. 1234 01:11:55.160 --> 01:11:57.320 You always have incredible questions, Christa. 1235 01:11:57.320 --> 01:11:58.560 I mean, this entire series, 1236 01:11:58.560 --> 01:11:59.880 your questions have been really good. 1237 01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:02.920 So just want to celebrate you, really good questions. 1238 01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:05.040 So this is what I would say. 1239 01:12:05.040 --> 01:12:06.360 I'm going to keep it very top level. 1240 01:12:06.360 --> 01:12:09.440 And when we go on VIP, we'll go deeper, right? 1241 01:12:09.440 --> 01:12:12.080 The way I tell people for protection and patents 1242 01:12:12.080 --> 01:12:14.480 is I tell them, look at two things. 1243 01:12:14.480 --> 01:12:15.800 Where are the sales? 1244 01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:17.080 Where's the manufacturing? 1245 01:12:18.200 --> 01:12:20.480 Always own the place where you got the sales. 1246 01:12:20.480 --> 01:12:22.600 That is the most important. 1247 01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:24.400 Because if somebody manufactures in China, 1248 01:12:24.400 --> 01:12:26.640 but they only sell in the United States, 1249 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:28.480 then if I get rights in the United States, 1250 01:12:28.480 --> 01:12:30.280 then they can manufacture anywhere they want, 1251 01:12:30.280 --> 01:12:32.120 but they're never going to be able to sell. 1252 01:12:32.120 --> 01:12:34.640 So I could shut down the manufacturing 1253 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.720 merely by the fact that they can never sell the product. 1254 01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:39.240 All right, so that's one thing. 1255 01:12:39.240 --> 01:12:42.400 That's if I can't afford to get protection 1256 01:12:42.400 --> 01:12:44.080 in the United States and China. 1257 01:12:44.080 --> 01:12:45.600 Because if you try to protect things in China, 1258 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:47.080 you got to deal with translations, 1259 01:12:47.080 --> 01:12:48.400 you got to deal with a different, 1260 01:12:48.400 --> 01:12:50.240 it's a different legal system, all right? 1261 01:12:50.240 --> 01:12:53.280 And I filed patents in China, so I know the legal system. 1262 01:12:53.280 --> 01:12:55.680 And for those people here that do manufacturing 1263 01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:58.440 and work in China, if you're in the protection portal, 1264 01:12:58.440 --> 01:13:00.440 I can get David Zhao to be a guest. 1265 01:13:00.440 --> 01:13:01.920 He's one of my agents in China, 1266 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:03.520 so he can come and talk to you directly 1267 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:06.280 about how do you deal with manufacturing in China? 1268 01:13:06.280 --> 01:13:08.440 What do you do about domain name disputes there? 1269 01:13:08.440 --> 01:13:11.960 What do you do about filing for patent rights there, 1270 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:12.840 enforcement? 1271 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.160 He can hit all that stuff. 1272 01:13:15.160 --> 01:13:16.920 So I might actually ask him to be a guest 1273 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:18.200 in the next few months. 1274 01:13:18.200 --> 01:13:23.200 So to answer your question, place of sale, number one, 1275 01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:24.720 the most important. 1276 01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:27.840 Place of manufacturing, second most important. 1277 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.000 The reason why I always say it's manufacturing 1278 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.000 second most important is because 1279 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:33.640 if they can manufacture it in China, 1280 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.040 chances are they can manufacture it in Malaysia. 1281 01:13:36.040 --> 01:13:39.000 Chances are they can manufacture it in Indonesia. 1282 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.360 So for those reasons, you may shut down this country, 1283 01:13:42.360 --> 01:13:43.720 but now, boop, they go over here, 1284 01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:45.200 and then boop, they go over there. 1285 01:13:45.200 --> 01:13:47.520 But if the only place they sell is the United States, 1286 01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:50.680 I shut down the US, you can boop, boop, boop 1287 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:52.880 all you want, but you're not gonna ka-ching. 1288 01:13:54.200 --> 01:13:57.680 So that was free. 1289 01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.920 That's my beatboxing for today. 1290 01:13:59.920 --> 01:14:02.440 Okay, so that's it for the day. 1291 01:14:02.440 --> 01:14:03.520 Bless you all. 1292 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:05.920 This has been incredible. 1293 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:09.520 I absolutely like, I was like coming to tears yesterday, 1294 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:12.360 kind of thinking about this being the last day. 1295 01:14:12.360 --> 01:14:13.760 We will get together tomorrow, 1296 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.840 for those of you that can at 12 o'clock. 1297 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.640 If you cannot, it's been such an honor serving all of you. 1298 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:20.560 You're amazing. 1299 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.760 Your giftings are incredible. 1300 01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:25.200 Right back at you, Patricia. 1301 01:14:25.200 --> 01:14:27.720 You're pointing that way and that way. 1302 01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:29.800 Is that like, you're trying to find a new thing 1303 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:30.640 to copyright? 1304 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:31.840 Is that what you're doing? 1305 01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:36.520 The public wants to know, are there any more prizes? 1306 01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:38.040 Oh, yes. 1307 01:14:38.040 --> 01:14:39.000 Oh my gosh, that's right. 1308 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:40.960 We have one more to go through. 1309 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:41.800 That's right. 1310 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:45.840 I'm not ready. 1311 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:46.680 Tomorrow? 1312 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:47.600 No, no, let's do it now. 1313 01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:48.840 Let's do it now. 1314 01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.240 Yeah, and I'm going to give, some of the people dropped off, 1315 01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:53.040 I'm going to give it to them, even if they're not here, 1316 01:14:53.040 --> 01:14:55.880 because I know who was in here originally. 1317 01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:58.320 So I'll be able to know who will get this one. 1318 01:14:58.320 --> 01:14:59.560 All right. 1319 01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:00.400 This. 1320 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:06.920 one is kind of a big deal. That's so funny. Thank you, 1321 01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:10.920 Larissa. Do you have the wheel up? 1322 01:15:12.240 --> 01:15:15.720 I do. I want to make sure I have all the names. So give me a 1323 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:19.560 second because we added like, I think two more people yesterday. 1324 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:21.000 So I just want to make sure they're on there. 1325 01:15:21.040 --> 01:15:25.240 But that Elizabeth and Amber. Yep. And they need to be present 1326 01:15:25.240 --> 01:15:26.120 to win. 1327 01:15:26.440 --> 01:15:28.960 As long as they were here when we started, as long as the 1328 01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:31.800 people were here when we started, because we kind of 1329 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:36.240 waited to the end. So this is for the one hour alone with me 1330 01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:39.720 on any topic in intellectual property. And just so all of you 1331 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:44.120 know, the way this work I bill, it depends on the circumstance, 1332 01:15:44.120 --> 01:15:47.840 but I bill for anywhere from a half hour to 90 minutes, I bill 1333 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:52.920 $2,000. Because I cover all three or all four areas, any 1334 01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:56.200 area of intellectual property. Okay, we'll touch a little bit 1335 01:15:56.200 --> 01:15:58.760 tomorrow on trade secret. There's really nothing in trade 1336 01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:01.360 secret that you really need to know all that much. Because most 1337 01:16:01.360 --> 01:16:05.800 people don't really deal with trade secret law. But why don't 1338 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:10.800 we go ahead and run that? Go ahead and run that. Please. 1339 01:16:14.120 --> 01:16:15.960 Are y'all I have slow internet. 1340 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:17.560 Oh, it's fine. It's fine. 1341 01:16:22.440 --> 01:16:24.760 Sue Mae, I don't think Sue Mae was here today. 1342 01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:28.240 We go again, run it one more time, just in case. I'll double 1343 01:16:28.240 --> 01:16:32.120 check on the records and see if she was here. But if not, I 1344 01:16:32.120 --> 01:16:34.800 didn't see her at all. But that's 1345 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:45.440 another awesome. Alright, so that's the one hour one on one. 1346 01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:50.760 And that was the last one. Okay. So bless all of you. For those 1347 01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:56.080 minutes or so. And for others, I will see you tomorrow. We can 1348 01:16:56.080 --> 01:16:59.640 make it and if you can't make it for either. It's been such an 1349 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:03.480 honor serving all of you. I hope you receive a good amount that 1350 01:17:03.480 --> 01:17:06.960 will help you on your way so you can do your issue spotting. And 1351 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:10.600 so that things will, you know, be easier for you. Larissa, I'm 1352 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:13.320 going to jump off you can handle any other administrative stuff. 1353 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:15.760 Catch you guys later. Thank you. 1354 01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.400 Before you leave scale of one to 1010 being superb. Don't even 1355 01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:28.360 go Peter, everyone else. Let's give Peter some love. Scale of 1356 01:17:28.360 --> 01:17:31.640 one to 10. One being okay. 10 being fantastic. How has he 1357 01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:32.240 felt? 1358 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:35.680 Awesome. 1359 01:17:37.400 --> 01:17:38.960 One gazillion. 1360 01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:41.360 Libby. 1361 01:17:44.080 --> 01:17:45.080 How many zeros? 1362 01:17:46.080 --> 01:17:52.560 10 XX XXX incredible, incredible infinity and beyond. Absolutely. 1363 01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:56.280 One to the infinite. One to the infinite still. 1364 01:17:59.240 --> 01:18:02.880 I'm not a mathematician, but I do do math for a living. Awesome. 1365 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:06.080 Awesome. Well, thank you again, everyone for being here. Five 1366 01:18:06.080 --> 01:18:09.080 minute bio break for those of you going to VIP. We'll see you 1367 01:18:09.080 --> 01:18:13.240 soon. Thank you so much and bonus day tomorrow.