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Yeah.

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So I have my friend.

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Oh, sorry. I was asking Ray is.

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Cause I'm an artist. Right. So.

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Yeah.

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So is that helpful?

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And do I need to be doing more than that with a lot of stuff right

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now?

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That's actually a really good question. So tomorrow.

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I'll give you a preview of it now, but tomorrow.

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I'm going to talk about the.

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The potential of falling for multiple things in a single application.

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Oh, okay.

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I didn't, I didn't want to go into that.

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I know.

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You know, there's a way because people get really confused.

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It's kind of like, let me talk to you a lot about.

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About following multiple copyrights at once and people go, well,

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what's the copyright.

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I got to kind of let it lay down the foundation for it.

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So, but yeah, there is a way you can follow what it called.

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Like compilations or you can file multiple applications.

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In one, but all of the senior case, it's okay.

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But it's the same.

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The same.

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If you do one of those filings.

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That every single one of those filings.

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Has the same artists.

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Right. Or the same creator.

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And if that's the case, then you can file.

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There's a certain type of filing could do that has multiple different

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works.

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Like an entire body of work.

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Yeah. Yeah. But there there's.

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What I would suggest for you.

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Cause I've seen your work.

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If you have certain,

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If you have certain pieces that you want to be more prominent or more

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important.

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Sure.

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And others.

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I would file those separate.

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Right.

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I would follow those.

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I do have some that the prints I've been selling for like 15,

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20 years and they, people still are buying the same.

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It's like, those are the ones.

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Five pieces.

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Right. Those are the ones that.

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That you wanted to like on my wall, I have.

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Oh, did you really.

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Awesome.

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So.

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So.

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That's that's actually a finger painting.

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I know I've watched.

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That just blows my mind that she could do a finger painting and that

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type of detail.

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But then like other ones are oil on canvas.

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The one that we were not allowed to see that one. Are we.

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So that, that one.

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That's the one I'm the most curious about.

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When we hang out, I'll show it to you. Right.

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Your husband come over, we hang out. Thank you guys.

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You know, we'll do stuff and I'll show you the painting. Yeah.

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Cause all I need her to go is like, nobody can access that.

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It's like, okay, okay.

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It's her work. So I don't want to play games with it.

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But so what I would do is.

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I don't know.

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I hate to let, I hate to say something like this,

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but the less important works.

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I would follow those together, but then the ones that are.

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Extremely valuable that people tend to want to.

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Like that one there.

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The bald ego with Jesus.

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There are thousands.

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And thousands of those, like that have been created.

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People want that everywhere.

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And so like she actually walked into.

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A dentist's office.

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Was it a dentist? I think she said it was a dentist's office.

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She looked and one of her paintings were on the wall.

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And she said to them.

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Oh, wow. How did you get the painting? They said, oh, well,

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we saw it on the internet.

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So we took that picture and we brought it to the corner shop and we had

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to turn it exactly.

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And had it turned into like a two foot by three foot kind of big.

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You know, canvas.

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And so that's, that's how it came to be.

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And how did it come to be?

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I don't remember ever upload images on the internet that you could print

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like bigger than this.

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And want to.

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So, so when you look at that, that kind of situation.

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As an artist, what are the kinds of things you should be doing?

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As an artist, you want to, you can do a few things.

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Number one, you can use low DPI.

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When you upload anything on the internet.

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I don't know.

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I'll type it in a chat too.

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Or actually can is.

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Okay.

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Everybody's working on something else right now.

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That's cool.

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Good. Okay.

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Is that a website?

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Low DPI.

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No, no, no.

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Low DPI is low dots per inch.

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Right. So your.

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Your image, your image has a certain.

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A certain number of DPI dots.

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High resolution has high DPI low resolution has.

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before I upload it and I'll upload my low quality files.

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Right, so number one you can do is not only use low DPI,

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but then after you do the low DPI,

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you can also put a, what's the word?

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A watermark on the low DPI.

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So don't watermark your high resolution images.

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Watermark your low DPI images,

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because now the person who's trying to copy it,

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first of all, they can't make it bigger,

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because if they try to make it bigger,

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they lose, the resolution becomes so low

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that it's not usable, right?

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So you use a low DPI to upload,

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and then on top of that, you watermark the low DPI

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and embed it in the same layer if you can.

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Don't make it a separate layer,

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try to make it the same layer.

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So now what happens is they gotta pull out the watermark,

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and there is software to fix all this, by the way,

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obviously, if they really wanna get it.

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I've done it to other people's graphics.

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Right, right.

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There is software there that will, you know, that will-

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I'm very good with Photoshop, I know, I can do that.

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And so, but what I would do is I would, again, low DPI,

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on top of that, I would watermark the low DPI,

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not the high resolution image.

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And then separate from that, when you're going to,

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because I've seen your work,

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I saw your work at the conference

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that we were just at last weekend.

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When your work is finished,

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there are these things that they sell.

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I've seen them on the internet,

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I have to see if I can find it again,

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because I had a number of artists ask me about it.

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It's almost like a sock that has four corners,

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and it hits the corners of your painting,

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and it's a material,

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so that people can't just take a picture of it

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at the conference, right?

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So if, because if you just have,

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what are the issues as an artist

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if you're hired to do your work,

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and then that work is going to be auctioned off,

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which happens quite often at these conferences,

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then people will just go over and go,

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oh, that's awesome, boom.

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Now they've taken a picture

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with one of the best cameras in the world,

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high, high resolution,

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and they can take that thing

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and they can make it a background image,

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they can put it on their website,

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they can do anything they want, you can't control that.

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So they sell these,

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these like stretchable stocking type of things

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that hit the two corners and the two corners,

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and it's almost like,

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so you can see the image,

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but it's in between this black X.

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So for somebody to just come over there and take a picture.

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That sounds extreme.

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That's what some people are doing.

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Now it's not, and just to be clear,

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it's not so big that you can't see the image.

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It's just, it's just protecting it.

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And Lynn Lineski, ask her,

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like when you talk with her,

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ask her about this,

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because she's one of the people who has been hurt badly.

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Well, she didn't,

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the last couple of events that I saw her at,

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she didn't have anything like that.

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Yeah, what she did instead was she took like a sign

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and she put it on the image and said,

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you know, no picture taken.

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Like she put that right on there.

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Yeah, I stood guard for her actually,

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by her painting at one point to make sure.

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Exactly, I think Ray, let me see something.

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Is Ray trying to get in?

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Oh, Ray's trying to get in, hold on.

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She just called me.

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There we go, I just let her in.

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Yeah, okay, well, that's good.

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But so for stuff like that I produce at home,

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but if I just, if I, at the very least,

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if the first thing I do is take a digital photo on my phone,

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so it has a timestamp,

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like that's a good place to start, right?

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No, it doesn't matter.

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It doesn't really do anything.

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I mean, it shows that you created it.

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It does show that you created it, which is great.

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So, I mean, that's one benefit.

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It does actually show that you created it,

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it does tell the time that you created it.

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So if somebody else creates an image,

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you know, it does do a little bit for you, right?

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So it is kind of like proof of creation.

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And the beauty of pictures

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is that when a picture is actually taken,

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the copyright for that starts from the date of fixing.

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So the second that the picture is taken,

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the copyright office came out and said,

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well, if you take a picture of something with a camera,

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it is copyrightable immediately, right?

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And you actually automatically have a copyright,

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even though you don't file it with the copyright office yet,

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you actually have a copyright under the federal rules.

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So-

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A camera, like as a camera photo or as a painting?

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So the painting-

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Both.

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Both.

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Both, yeah.

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But the second you paint-

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Okay, but that's where the photo-

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help back up my case that yes I did indeed create this on this date. Yeah so that's correct. Right

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so if you took a picture of your painting then if somebody else comes out three years later

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with the same painting you could say well here's a here's the digital date of the picture the

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photograph I took of my painting. So you could definitely use that as evidence. Obviously the

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best evidence is to file a copyright application because you know you've got a federal registration

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you've got a filing date as well but by all means yeah if you do take a picture you now do have a

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digitally recorded image it does have a time date stamped to it it also has certain metadata

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associated with it to confirm the date of creation right and you can utilize that to

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prove that that is when you started using it. Okay I think so then the only other sorry I don't

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want to take up too much more time but so if I have then I have physical products that I create

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with my artwork on them so it's actually something that we need to talk about in our meeting because

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I just realized I need to be charging my company because I have business partner a licensing fee

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for using my artwork. Now you get it. I know I'm like I anyhow when it was just me it didn't really

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matter but now I have a business partner and but so then I take pictures like my photos

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of the products to post online and so one of the things I've been noticing especially as I'm

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outsourcing overseas and they do it all over India and all over China is I will see the same exact

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product photo on everybody's websites for any way so right is there any way to protect my product

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photos from them being stolen and used other yeah so there's um there's an individual Stephen Diaz

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love him he runs this group called Rainmaker Family. I met them too. Yeah they're great people so

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he sent me a number of people over who have run into problems in this area so as an example one

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of them created a painting and then that painting they put on a I describe it it was it's like a

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frame with a prayer right that's what they created and so what happened was some entity from Asia

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just took that same image created it themselves and sold it for like seven dollars less than

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the woman that created it and so she says she reached out to Stephen and Stephen sent her to me

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and I asked her do you have a federal registration and she was smart she actually had

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a federal registration for her original work so I said well all you need to do is file a complaint

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with Amazon or within in this case it was eBay and give them the federal registration number

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associated with your copyright when you do that and you file a complaint based on the other party

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it'll not only pull their product but it'll also mark them as a copyright infringer going forward

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and they did and the other party got shut down like literally their their products disappeared

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and so that's the power of a copyright now if you just complain to them they'll do nothing

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because they'll say well how do I know you created it first and they didn't I'm not willing to be in

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the middle of the battle you're gonna have to prove that you have a copyright or a trademark

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okay yeah well great stuff I mean you definitely you are rich you're rich with issues so um

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yeah you'll definitely gain a lot damn I've been making a list and trying to actually itemize

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like specific things and questions so that when we meet I'm ready this is one of the reasons why

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I changed the format to let people know about the offer literally up front because then now that

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they know yeah during the next few days they can actually do what you're doing like write down oh I

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need that I need this I need that I need that oh I love that you did that because I'm about to launch

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my own online thing and that's what I want the more I've been I'm like I just want to tell them

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right up front this is what we're doing like I have lots of great information to share with you

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in the meantime but right this is really like this is what I want to offer you anyway no I was so

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grateful that you did that because um anyway yeah that's good all right so Kenya um when you

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um or when you decide to join in what I'll do is I'll send you our preparation checklist right away

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typically I wait to send it with a letter yeah I bought it already got in today great I will send

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it to you actually I'll go send it to you now but it's going to help you organize what you want to

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bring it's a good launching point awesome perfect so much thanks you guys thanks for so much time

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absolutely absolutely questions now no problem let me go to Nadine Dr. Nadine James

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Hi.

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Hi.

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So Peter, I've been asking this question since the first night we started, but I was asking

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in the chat.

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And so my question has to do with, I have an idea, and I've had this idea for some time,

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for about 10 years, and I sat on it, and I sat on it, but it has to do with AI and machine

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learning.

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Now, my background is in, well, actually, let me not get into that, but my background

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is research, oncology, and long story short, I got this idea.

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And so recently, something popped up on my computer where it was asking about, do you

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have an idea?

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Blah, blah, blah.

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So I filled out the form, and I think it was two.

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but I've seen these caveman things and all these sites.

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Oh my gosh.

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So go ahead.

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I'm cringing as you're speaking right now.

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I wasn't sure what to do or where to go in regards to fleshing out that idea.

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And so I was approached by, I'm going to say a reputable company.

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And so I initially met with the person who screens, and then I didn't give much details

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when I submitted the online thing, and so he wanted to know, well, what is that about?

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And so I initially met with him, and I gave him a little bit, and then eventually I met

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with the VP of development or something of the sort.

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And as I was meeting with them, I was giving them more.

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So I'm speaking about the idea, right?

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Actually, before that, I had signed a contract, and I think I had reached out to you to see

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if you could help me look over this thing.

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But the timing that they gave me, they're like, well, you know, you have to pay by this

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time and be ready by X time.

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So I didn't have enough window, and so I paid, and I started divulging this idea.

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And they did a search, right?

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And they found that there were some patterns that kind of had similarities.

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And so long story short is they then sent me like a pre-development stuff.

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And then next thing, they came back and said, well, oh, when they took it to the next level,

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they were like, well, this idea is, I want to use exact words, speculative and litigatious.

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Right?

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They're saying it's, are they saying that it potentially infringes upon somebody else's

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patent?

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No, no, that's not what they're saying.

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No, that's not what they're saying.

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What are the words they used?

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Speculative and litigatious, meaning that the idea have, there's like, oh, that would

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be hard to do, blah, blah, blah.

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But the patents that had products, similar products, there are not many on the market.

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And I'm not even sure what to ask.

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Well, the point of the matter is they gave me a pre-development portfolio, but it doesn't

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include all of what I told them.

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Okay.

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Right?

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So it just includes the little portion that I wrote when I initially applied online.

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It just includes that little thing.

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It doesn't talk about my description of everything.

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And so I've been asking, could you provide me with my description, everything that I

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told you, so I could see where exactly you're saying that this could be potentially litigatious

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or speculative.

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And to this day, I haven't gotten it.

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So I just want to know, what is my right there in terms of, I don't know, copywriting or

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yeah, I'm not sure what.

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It's okay.

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Let me walk.

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All right.

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So let me, I'll answer.

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All right.

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Let me start out here.

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There's a lot of, you'll see online, a lot of programs are out there that'll say, hey,

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you know, you.

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got an invention and one of them actually has a caveman.

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He has a tire that he's been chinking at, made out of rock, right?

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And so he says, if you want to get your ideas protected, hire us.

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In my experience.

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When something sounds really, really, really, really good, meaning like,

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oh, hire us and for under under a thousand dollars, you can have a patent done

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like it's impossible to have a patent done with under a thousand dollars.

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To do a patent search well cost over a thousand dollars.

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Like it's just there. Just be careful, please.

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Like if you're not sure about something, talk to somebody who knows

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what they're doing in that field and ask them.

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It may be that the deal is amazing.

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And then that person should tell you, my gosh, that's incredible.

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Take ten of them, you know.

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But in this case, from what you're telling me.

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When you if I sit down with somebody and I talk about my invention,

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I want a non-disclosure, non-compete agreement in place.

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That's the first thing that I want in place.

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Well, they gave me an agreement, but it was more as I when I read through it,

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it was more to me was more like protecting them.

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And so when I of course.

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Yeah, they're not going to give you an agreement to protect you.

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They're going to give you an agreement to protect them.

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That that's how they make money.

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And so let's let's assume for for discussion purposes that.

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I give a disclosure to another party, but I don't have an NDA in my name,

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meaning that I don't have something that says, all right, other party,

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that third party that I'm giving the information to,

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you can't disclose it to anybody else.

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You can't make that thing.

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You can't even compete with me on that thing.

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Then I've essentially just.

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Given my idea to somebody and in hopes

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that they're going to fulfill the requirements of doing a patent search

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or determining if something is potentially protectable

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and hope that they do not pursue it themselves.

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That's a dangerous thing to do.

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It's very dangerous to do.

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So let's assume for purposes of discussion that they are good people.

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Let's just assume they're good people and that they're not trying to steal anything

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and they're not doing anything corrupt.

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Let's assume that first.

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I don't want to go the other route first. Let's just assume that.

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So then now they come back and they say, hey,

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well, you're what you're actually disclosing here is

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the two things that they said actually don't go together like.

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You use the word of litigators, I think you mean like litigious.

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OK, whatever. OK, right, right.

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So if that's the case, let's say this.

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So just so you know, what the word litigious means

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is that litigation will result from using that product.

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OK, that's what litigious.

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I don't know if this is OK.

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All right. I guess that's what they said.

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OK, sorry. Go ahead. Mm hmm. OK.

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So. I should have preface

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with this is not legal advice, so I could.

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So I'll say it now.

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This is not legal advice. Yes, I know. OK.

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Oh, so what happens is that let me just see is Jennifer.

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She is. OK, good.

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I saw she was trying to get in earlier.

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I want to make sure she got in.

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My friend, Jennifer. Awesome. All right. So.

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If somebody says to me, your technology is litigious,

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what that means to me is that if I make this thing,

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it will likely result in a lawsuit.

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That's what litigious means.

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OK, likely to have litigation.

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That's not a good thing.

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All right. But then separate from that.

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They use another term, and I think you said it's speculative.

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Yes, they said it's that was the first word.

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It's speculative and.

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It's just the two of them don't go well together.

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So just to be clear, like if something is is litigious,

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that means that when I create that thing, there's a high likelihood of being sued.

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If something is speculative, that means that it hasn't been refined

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to provide a final embodiment so that something can be implemented.

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So by the very nature of the two words that are utilized, they don't make sense.

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That's like me saying to you, oh, my gosh, you know,

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like that person is alive and they're dead.

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It's like, no, are they alive or are they dead?

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Like they can't be both.

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So how can something be speculative and be litigious?

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It doesn't make sense.

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And so that's why I had I asked several times

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for a copy of what I divulged.

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So I tell you when we were this is these were phone conversations.

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We didn't have Zoom or anything like that because they were like

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they had some issues with Zoom and blah, blah, blah.

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So for protection purposes.

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But to protect myself, I recorded those conversations, right, because they were, as I was speaking, they were writing or typing, whatever they were doing, I don't know what they were doing on their end.

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And so I asked for a copy of what they wrote to see how it would, how what I said would be lethargic or speculative, right?

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Basically, you're trying to figure out how did they make up their mind? How did they come up to this decision? What data did you use to get there?

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Right. I wanted to see for myself because I'm a visual learner. So I wanted to see for myself what how did you translate what I was saying in your writing?

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So if I could see it, I could say, well, no, that's not what I meant. This is this is. Yeah, that's right.

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But I have not. But they haven't given you anything.

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They only sent me the.

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What about did you ask? Did they record it? Was it audio recorded or video recorded?

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I don't know. I had requested to talk on Zoom and stuff, and I know they were recording.

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They were writing it. I know they were writing as we were speaking, but I don't know if they were recording.

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I recorded it. If they were recording, they had to tell you beforehand.

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So because you can't record other parties without their consent, unless it's in a public forum.

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Like if you're if I'm in a restaurant, I can ask you any question, record it because it's a public forum.

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There's no expectation of privacy. But but if I'm in a private meeting with you one on one, that's why I tell everybody here, you're going to get the recordings.

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Like I tell people right up front, there are recordings, so I can use them any way I want.

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And so but in any case. So if I were in a situation where I sat down with somebody, I disclose my my technology.

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There's no disclosure. There's no NDA non-compete in my benefit.

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I disclose it over the party. They come over and say it's purely speculative and highly litigious,

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meaning that there's a high chance that there's going to be litigation on this.

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And then on top of that, there's a high risk of loss to you for creating this thing.

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I think you asked that part. I didn't say that part.

493
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Well, you said speculative. That's what speculative means. Oh, speculative means that there's a high risk of loss to you.

494
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:36.000
That's what the term means. So so if that's the case, then then what I would.

495
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:42.000
I would do like, you know, yeah, I'm in a situation where I want to see what your assessment was based on.

496
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:54.000
I think that's a fair question. What you asked. I mean, at the end of the day, my concern is if this thing was extremely high value, what exactly is going on with what I gave them?

497
00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:02.000
That would be my biggest concern. You know, I mean, and there's really nothing there's nothing you can do.

498
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:11.000
I mean, under copyright law, you're protecting something that's fixed. So that's a writing or recording that is already done before you give it to them.

499
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:18.000
So, like, let's say you have a legal you have a written document that describes things and then you hand that to them.

500
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:25.000
If they grab that legal writing and they use that legal writing and creating something else, that could be called copyright infringement.

501
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:31.000
But if I'm having a conversation with somebody. That's that's the danger.

502
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:35.000
Yeah, but they're recording what I'm saying. So isn't it?

503
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:47.000
Yeah, but this goes towards Adelaine's question, which I'm sure which I'm going to get to in like one minute, which is if I'm doing a podcast, who has the legal rights to the recording?

504
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:52.000
It's the party who actually is doing the recording. That's who has the legal rights.

505
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:58.000
Right. So I'm a guest. So like right now, you're on my you're on my program. Right.

506
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:05.000
I have the legal rights to this recording. Right. Nobody here has a legal right to this recording except me.

507
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:18.000
So you you're having a meeting with them. If they're recording, they have the legal rights for the recording, not you, unless somewhere in the agreement as written, which is what I'm going to talk to Adelaine about.

508
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:27.000
You know, you get something in in the legal in the writings of the agreement, making it clear that I have certain legal rights to this.

509
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:38.000
Otherwise. No rights under copyright law, trademark doesn't apply because trademarks is like logos, slogans, wordmarks, nothing there.

510
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:45.000
This is the danger. And this is so just so we're clear, Nadine, this is why I'm doing this.

511
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:51.000
I have so many people come to me like weekly in situations like you're mentioning.

512
00:29:51.000 --> 00:30:00.000
And I go, oh, my gosh, like if they knew about copyright and trademark and patents and they understand the statutory bars and.

513
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.760
how non-disclosures work, non-competes work,

514
00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:04.320
why non-competes necessary.

515
00:30:04.320 --> 00:30:08.400
If they get this, they won't get in a situation

516
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.760
where they lose or potentially lose something

517
00:30:11.760 --> 00:30:13.520
that's highly valuable to them,

518
00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:15.560
that's been bestowed upon them

519
00:30:15.560 --> 00:30:17.480
where they're trying to be a good steward of that thing

520
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.160
and they lose it because they don't know these things.

521
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.920
Like who here has gone to law school for three years?

522
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:24.760
Anybody?

523
00:30:25.900 --> 00:30:27.160
No.

524
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.520
I mean, who here has spent 20 plus years

525
00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:30.720
studying intellectual property?

526
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:31.560
Anybody?

527
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:33.480
No.

528
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.800
Who would want to?

529
00:30:34.800 --> 00:30:35.900
No, I'm just kidding.

530
00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:38.960
But in any case, like that's a lot of work.

531
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.080
And so like if I wanted to learn more

532
00:30:41.080 --> 00:30:43.380
about certain software, I talk to a software engineer.

533
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:44.920
If I wanna learn more about podcasting,

534
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.200
I talk to Adelaide, painting to Kenya.

535
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.240
Like there's different people that I talk to for things.

536
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:51.480
That's why I'm doing this,

537
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.400
to try to bring this awareness now

538
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.220
because there is no awareness.

539
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:57.880
This is how the world works.

540
00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:58.720
What you're talking about

541
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.040
is literally what happens every day

542
00:31:01.040 --> 00:31:03.080
and why these companies make thousands of dollars

543
00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:05.480
and we can't do anything about it.

544
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.660
Like look at the original contract.

545
00:31:07.660 --> 00:31:08.500
That's what you wanna do.

546
00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:10.920
See if there's anything in the original contract.

547
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.680
But anytime that anybody here works

548
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.560
with a third party entity where you're revealing anything,

549
00:31:16.560 --> 00:31:19.440
you need a non-disclosure, non-compete agreement.

550
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:20.600
Every single time.

551
00:31:20.600 --> 00:31:24.200
There needs to be an NCA in your NDA.

552
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:29.200
FYI, you need an NCA in your NDA, A-O-K, that's the way.

553
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:32.320
Hey, hey, hey.

554
00:31:32.320 --> 00:31:33.400
What is NCA?

555
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:34.240
No way.

556
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:35.080
No way.

557
00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:36.760
What is NCA?

558
00:31:36.760 --> 00:31:39.000
An NDA is a non-compete agreement.

559
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:39.840
So-

560
00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:41.440
Oh, what is the NCA?

561
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:42.760
Non-compete agreement.

562
00:31:42.760 --> 00:31:47.640
N-C-A, N as in Nancy, C as in Charlie, A as in Apple.

563
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.800
It's called a non-compete agreement, N-C-A.

564
00:31:50.800 --> 00:31:53.040
So what an NCA does to an NDA,

565
00:31:53.040 --> 00:31:55.640
an NDA basically is telling the other party,

566
00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.640
an NDA, name, you know, D, dog, A, apple.

567
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.520
NDA is making sure that the other party

568
00:32:04.520 --> 00:32:08.160
doesn't disclose what you say to another party.

569
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.800
NCA says that what I'm disclosing to you, you can't do.

570
00:32:12.800 --> 00:32:14.360
You can't compete with me.

571
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.240
So the combination between an NDA and an NCA is powerful.

572
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.720
So if I'm gonna sit down in a meeting with somebody

573
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:26.600
who could potentially become a competitor

574
00:32:26.600 --> 00:32:28.640
or potentially take what I'm teaching them

575
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.480
and build an entity, you know, to my demise,

576
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.800
like utilizing what I give them,

577
00:32:34.800 --> 00:32:39.760
I want an NCA in the NDA so that they can't do that.

578
00:32:39.760 --> 00:32:41.360
That's what that agreement does.

579
00:32:41.360 --> 00:32:45.240
Now they're locked in under contractual obligation

580
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.720
not to violate that agreement.

581
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.560
And if they do, I can sue them under contract law.

582
00:32:51.560 --> 00:32:53.760
Otherwise I can't do anything.

583
00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:56.560
I'm in a situation where I disclose something

584
00:32:56.560 --> 00:32:59.000
and they're just gonna say, so you told us, like.

585
00:33:00.520 --> 00:33:05.520
Yeah, okay, so eight things found in terms of patent.

586
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.360
And so I wanna know, like moving on,

587
00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:14.200
how could I, well, take it to someone else?

588
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.120
And I don't know.

589
00:33:16.120 --> 00:33:17.800
Yeah, let me get to Adelaine

590
00:33:17.800 --> 00:33:19.160
and let me take another question first

591
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:20.080
cause I've been going through this

592
00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:22.200
for about 12 minutes or so.

593
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:23.880
So let me take another question first.

594
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.120
And then if nobody else has a question,

595
00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:26.200
I could jump back in.

596
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.840
But this is a really good example of things that go well

597
00:33:28.840 --> 00:33:30.560
in the foundations and IP thing.

598
00:33:30.560 --> 00:33:33.600
How do you set up a business structure

599
00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:35.280
to bring a new invention out

600
00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:37.920
and keep in mind the three statutory bars,

601
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.000
the offer for sale bar, the publication bar,

602
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.440
the public use bar,

603
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:44.200
use a nondisclosure non-compete agreement in place

604
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.280
to make sure that you're highly successful,

605
00:33:46.280 --> 00:33:48.160
get a licensing agreement in place

606
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.600
so that you can do things

607
00:33:49.600 --> 00:33:52.360
without actually having to make something.

608
00:33:52.360 --> 00:33:54.240
Like you don't always have to manufacture something.

609
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:55.360
You could just own the IP

610
00:33:55.360 --> 00:33:57.640
and license it to another company

611
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:58.840
and make money off of that.

612
00:33:58.840 --> 00:34:00.720
People make tons of money doing that,

613
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.640
just sitting back and making checks.

614
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.720
There's ways to do that.

615
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.200
And that's what we do in that the one-on-one time

616
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.199
where we can dig in in a lot of detail.

617
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:10.320
Ray, go ahead, my friend, what's up?

618
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:12.000
Okay, cause Peter won't sell.

619
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.400
You know, that's just not his MO.

620
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.280
I will, we actually do have an NDA

621
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.800
with an NC for our members.

622
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.360
So if you guys are interested in that, email me.

623
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.840
I'll drop my email here in the chat

624
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.360
and we can get you taken care of.

625
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:29.360
All right, so let me go over to Adelaine.

626
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.239
Adelaine, let me grab her.

627
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:33.080
Awesome.

628
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:35.280
Now I can see her.

629
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.719
I'm gonna lower her virtual hand.

630
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.800
I'm gonna answer her question.

631
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:41.639
Hey, what can I do for you, my friend?

632
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.159
Yeah, I got salt, so I'm here

633
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.360
and I still don't know what I'm doing here.

634
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.480
Cause I feel like everything I have is in such infancy

635
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.360
and I've been like really slow to, you know,

636
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:55.360
take action on my ideas.

637
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.080
So you answered the question about, you know,

638
00:34:57.080 --> 00:35:00.040
the person who records owns.

639
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.600
the recording, is there a difference between something that is very, that where there's

640
00:35:05.600 --> 00:35:13.340
only minor edits that have been done? Because in the podcasting space, there's some that

641
00:35:13.340 --> 00:35:18.240
only slap on an intro and outer and push it out. And then there's some that are more,

642
00:35:18.240 --> 00:35:26.120
I would consider them art, as in, you know, you've edited it in a way, you've edited for

643
00:35:26.120 --> 00:35:31.280
compelling conversation, you've taken out certain things, you've made sure some things

644
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.040
are left in on purpose, you know, to create an emotion, so things like that. So is there

645
00:35:36.040 --> 00:35:38.400
a difference between those things?

646
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:44.600
Yeah, so a few things that we want to consider under copyright law, number one, is every

647
00:35:44.600 --> 00:35:53.200
created aspect that is added to a copyrightable work, we look to see if that added element

648
00:35:53.200 --> 00:35:58.640
in and of itself becomes copyrightable, right? So let's say that there's a painting, the

649
00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:06.000
Mona Lisa, and I add a hat to her, right? That hat that I added doesn't make the Mona

650
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.760
Lisa with the hat become like a new copyrightable work, it's just a derivative or a modification

651
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:16.680
of the original work. Now, if I change her face, so that like, she doesn't have a nose

652
00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:20.200
or you know, or something like that, and I do something with her mouth, and I move it

653
00:36:20.200 --> 00:36:24.520
in another way to make it look more like Picasso, that becomes like a new work that

654
00:36:24.520 --> 00:36:32.000
is copyrightable. So let's bring it into the audio world. So now or the video world. Let's

655
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:38.000
go with let's go with video first. So if I'm working because video is more easy to to conceptualize.

656
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.160
So I've got an interview that I'm doing with you right now, right? And so this is being

657
00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:48.480
recorded. And then Ray goes and she adds an intro and she adds an outro to that video

658
00:36:48.520 --> 00:36:53.840
recording. The question is, is that that video with the intro and the outro in and of itself

659
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.000
like a new work, meaning it needs another copyright application file on it or not. If

660
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.480
what's being added is the intro and outro in and of itself is not something that's copyrightable

661
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:10.400
or has rise risen up to the level of being copyrightable, then I can just rely upon my

662
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:17.080
original copyright and not worry about the intro and the outro. Now, if if Ray decides

663
00:37:17.080 --> 00:37:24.280
to have some creative genius, which he has all the time, and she throws in something

664
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:30.400
that is completely unique, then it may get to the level of being a new copyrightable

665
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:36.360
work because she added something that's copyrightable into it. And together, they may become a new

666
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:42.680
copyrightable work. So I might file a new copyright on the combination of them all.

667
00:37:42.680 --> 00:37:48.840
But really, the question that you should be asking is, who owns rights to the original

668
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:54.080
work? If you own rights to the original work as the one who's doing the podcast, and then

669
00:37:54.080 --> 00:37:59.680
you add an intro and an outro, who cares who owns it? You own it. Like at the end of day,

670
00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:06.680
it's all yours. You see what I'm saying? And look, it's not legal advice. I'm just saying

671
00:38:06.680 --> 00:38:11.560
this is why you should sit down in the foundation's IP thing and kind of like do your and again,

672
00:38:11.560 --> 00:38:15.640
I'm not trying to everybody here should know I'm not trying to push this just to be clear,

673
00:38:15.640 --> 00:38:21.440
like actually make more money just being a lawyer just so people know. But in your situation,

674
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.760
if you're trying to build a business that has podcasting, you're trying to create videos,

675
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.040
you're trying to turn that into something that's going to be online that you can sell

676
00:38:29.040 --> 00:38:33.760
as well. You're going to create a series, you're going to have an entire catalog of

677
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:38.080
a lot of different things that are available. And you want the public to come in, you got

678
00:38:38.080 --> 00:38:43.280
more issues. You've got licensing issues. You've got issues with regard to let's say

679
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.600
somebody comes in, they want to purchase one, you want to sell another one to them as well.

680
00:38:47.600 --> 00:38:52.560
Should you sell it as like a single access to the whole platform? Should you sell it as

681
00:38:52.560 --> 00:38:57.280
something that they can now incorporate into their own courses? You know, in which case,

682
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:02.880
as an example, Ohio State just reached out to me. They want me to create their IP curriculum

683
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:09.760
after they saw this training that I've been doing. So now I am actually creating an online

684
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.400
course for them that they're going to use within their university where students can obtain

685
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.600
college credit for that, right? But I still own the legal rights to that. So I'm not just

686
00:39:19.600 --> 00:39:24.000
giving it to them. I'm giving them a license to it. I'm going to take that same material

687
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:29.920
and offer that potentially to other universities. And now what I could say is, oh, this university

688
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:35.680
actually has it as required curriculum. Now I'm telling like a hundred other universities,

689
00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:40.480
blah, blah, blah. Now they're more likely to jump on board as well. So there's licensing issues.

690
00:39:41.120 --> 00:39:48.240
There's also where am I uploading the materials? If you upload your stuff on the Facebook,

691
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:54.800
Facebook, I'm pretty sure you're not doing that. But as an example, Facebook in their terms and

692
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.840
conditions actually tells you that you give them a non-exclusive license to any.

693
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.740
thing that you upload. So that means if I upload my course onto

694
00:40:04.740 --> 00:40:07.100
Facebook, they can now take it and do whatever they want with

695
00:40:07.100 --> 00:40:09.940
it. And I can't stop them. So these are the kind of things

696
00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:13.140
you got to look at. And when we sit down in that foundations and

697
00:40:13.140 --> 00:40:16.920
IP analysis, we look at every single aspect of the business to

698
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:21.000
see what's right, what's wrong. But in your case, to go back to

699
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.720
this video thing in the podcast thing, you have audio you have

700
00:40:24.720 --> 00:40:29.980
video, here's the original work. If if you're on my show, number

701
00:40:29.980 --> 00:40:32.200
one, I should have a legal agreement that makes it very

702
00:40:32.200 --> 00:40:36.780
clear to you that I own it. Like, it should be if anytime

703
00:40:36.780 --> 00:40:40.180
you do a podcast, there should be a legal agreement for anybody

704
00:40:40.180 --> 00:40:43.360
who signs up, it should be online, very easy to go to the

705
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.280
bottom and sign it, because 90% of people aren't going to read

706
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.360
it. I just hate to say that. But that's just what's going to

707
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.320
happen. So and one of those sections in that agreement should

708
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.240
make it very clear intellectual property, it should say

709
00:40:56.240 --> 00:40:59.320
intellectual property. And under that section, it should go into

710
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:03.020
detail. So you know, as to who owns what, and what's

711
00:41:03.020 --> 00:41:05.380
copyrightable, what's trademarkable, things like that.

712
00:41:06.340 --> 00:41:10.420
So if you own that, and then you add whatever you want to it,

713
00:41:10.460 --> 00:41:15.180
it's still yours. Right? So then the question becomes, well, from

714
00:41:15.180 --> 00:41:18.460
the things that I'm adding, I got to make sure I'm adding

715
00:41:18.460 --> 00:41:21.780
things that I'm allowed to add. So what do I mean by that?

716
00:41:22.060 --> 00:41:26.340
Right? If you go into Canva, Canva has terms and conditions.

717
00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:29.300
There's certain things that you can't just take the stuff that

718
00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:33.080
is in Canva, and use it for commercial purposes, you have to

719
00:41:33.120 --> 00:41:37.080
you have to fall within what they say you can do. Right. And

720
00:41:37.080 --> 00:41:41.180
there's other sites that say the same thing, you you have to pay

721
00:41:41.180 --> 00:41:45.440
a fee to obtain a legal right to use their material for commercial

722
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.820
purposes. And some of them actually go so far as to say, if

723
00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:52.640
you don't continue paying that fee, you lose the right on the

724
00:41:52.640 --> 00:41:56.480
commercial, the commercial license, which means that you

725
00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:02.260
actually can't sell that product or that service using

726
00:42:02.260 --> 00:42:05.780
their stuff without continuing to pay a monthly fee. So let me

727
00:42:05.780 --> 00:42:11.580
make this a practical example. You you use ABC software, and on

728
00:42:11.580 --> 00:42:15.820
AB software, it has a really cool intro, right? Really cool,

729
00:42:15.820 --> 00:42:19.820
like music, great music, Ray's great at this, she finds this

730
00:42:20.060 --> 00:42:23.300
really cool music, that's really cool graphic, and she throws it

731
00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:26.460
at me. And I'm like, Where'd you find that? She's like, I've got

732
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:30.120
all these resources. So anyways, she finds this great thing. She

733
00:42:30.120 --> 00:42:33.240
throws it like in the front. And I'm like, that's great. Let's

734
00:42:33.240 --> 00:42:37.480
run with it. Well, there's a commercial license to use that

735
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.120
for commercial purposes. If you're selling that is

736
00:42:40.120 --> 00:42:45.240
considered commercial purposes. So now it's it's in my video. So

737
00:42:45.240 --> 00:42:48.200
now my videos are running. If that license agreement says that

738
00:42:48.200 --> 00:42:51.320
you have to continue paying a monthly fee to be able to use

739
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:55.520
their resource for commercial purposes. The second I stopped

740
00:42:55.520 --> 00:42:58.940
paying that subscription, I lose the legal rights to sell my

741
00:42:58.940 --> 00:43:04.700
own videos. You see that? Yeah, because their content, which is

742
00:43:04.700 --> 00:43:07.820
copyrightable, which I obtained a commercial license to is

743
00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:12.260
actually in my video. So this is why it's vital to understand,

744
00:43:12.540 --> 00:43:14.860
you know, terms and conditions and using this different stuff.

745
00:43:15.180 --> 00:43:18.580
But your first question, again, is, do I own the original

746
00:43:18.580 --> 00:43:23.900
podcast? Yes, I add an intro and outro. Is it mine? Yes, no

747
00:43:23.900 --> 00:43:27.200
problem. Is it? Is it licensed from another party? Okay, what

748
00:43:27.200 --> 00:43:30.880
are the terms and conditions? If it has a commercial license,

749
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.460
and I'm selling it, I'm fine, as long as I'm, it might be that I

750
00:43:34.460 --> 00:43:37.600
have to continue making a subscription to the service so

751
00:43:37.600 --> 00:43:40.680
I can sell, you just have to dig into that as a business owner.

752
00:43:40.680 --> 00:43:43.640
And this is the kind of stuff that we dissected the nth degree

753
00:43:43.640 --> 00:43:46.280
in the foundations and RP thing. Yeah.

754
00:43:46.680 --> 00:43:50.160
Okay, can I also ask because I get all these random ideas for

755
00:43:50.160 --> 00:43:56.520
things that I want to start. And they're not, I wouldn't call

756
00:43:56.520 --> 00:43:59.780
them unique ideas. I call them inspired by different things.

757
00:43:59.780 --> 00:44:04.780
And I had a previous coach who said, I think if you changed

758
00:44:05.780 --> 00:44:12.460
something by I don't know what was like 10 or 20%, then you

759
00:44:12.460 --> 00:44:16.420
know, then you can claim it as yours. So I don't know what

760
00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:18.560
Yeah, if you know,

761
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.260
know that there's no such thing as change 10 20%. That that is

762
00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:30.000
not true. I've, I've litigated in Texas, California, like

763
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.680
Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Florida, not once have

764
00:44:34.680 --> 00:44:39.160
I ever heard a judge ever on any case ever say, Oh, well, that's

765
00:44:39.160 --> 00:44:44.200
15%. It's okay. Like, there's no such thing. It always comes down

766
00:44:44.200 --> 00:44:47.740
to the essence of the copyright. That's the language. That's the

767
00:44:47.740 --> 00:44:50.740
statutory language was the essence of the copyright. So if

768
00:44:50.740 --> 00:44:53.460
you take the Mona Lisa, you know, I like the Mona Lisa as an

769
00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:56.460
example, because there's so much stuff in the background. So I'm

770
00:44:56.460 --> 00:44:59.020
going to take Mona Lisa.

771
00:44:59.580 --> 00:44:59.980
Yes.

772
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.920
tell your coach to come take Peter's training. Oh my gosh, I

773
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.320
don't want it.

774
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.720
No, it's a benefit to help.

775
00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:11.480
I mean, just you know, in their defense, that's a common

776
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:15.080
mistake that people make. They say that all the time. So all

777
00:45:15.080 --> 00:45:18.200
right, here's the Mona Lisa. Let me I'm going to share my screen

778
00:45:18.600 --> 00:45:22.360
to kind of give a real example when I'm talking. All right,

779
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:27.160
that is the Mona Lisa, right? Let's see popped up. There it

780
00:45:27.160 --> 00:45:32.920
is. Okay, that's the Mona Lisa. Now, if I go by that rule of Oh,

781
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.320
if you change it by 1020%, it's not infringement. If I change

782
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.560
the sky here, this this is probably more than 10%. If I

783
00:45:40.560 --> 00:45:47.760
change the sky to be let's say the color red or purple, that's

784
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:51.840
changing it a good 10%. You're still going to get sued for

785
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:56.240
copyright infringement. I guarantee you why the essence of

786
00:45:56.240 --> 00:46:00.440
this copyright is her face is her hands crossed over. That's

787
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.880
the essence of it. Okay, now, what if I just get rid of the

788
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.640
water here? I would argue that has nothing to do with the

789
00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:12.040
essence of copyright. If I decide to make this green where

790
00:46:12.040 --> 00:46:17.320
the water is, so it looks like I'm like a field. That's still

791
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.360
copyright infringement. All right. Actually, let me let me

792
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:26.200
rephrase that. Let me go deeper with this. If I change this to

793
00:46:26.200 --> 00:46:30.480
be to be a field on here, I don't think that's the essence

794
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.520
of the copyright. So I'm going to take that back. And I'm going

795
00:46:32.520 --> 00:46:38.880
to say if you if if you change, let's say you copied this

796
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.000
portion here, I wish I could draw a line here. Let's say you

797
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:48.000
actually grab the water here. Meaning the way that is painted

798
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.760
here, and you grab this water sequence, a little bit of water

799
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.240
here, a little bit of water there, a little bit of water

800
00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:57.320
here. And you put that in your own painting. The question is,

801
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.760
is that copyright infringement of the Mona Lisa? I think

802
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.600
there's a low chance of you being sued for copyright

803
00:47:04.600 --> 00:47:07.960
infringement. If you grab this portion of water right here.

804
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.560
Let's see, is it what is it doing? It's refreshing. Okay. If

805
00:47:13.560 --> 00:47:15.600
you grab this portion of water here, and you throw it in your

806
00:47:15.600 --> 00:47:17.840
painting, I think there's a very low chance of you being sued

807
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.480
for copyright infringement. Because it's not the essence of

808
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.720
the copyright. So it always comes down to what's the

809
00:47:24.720 --> 00:47:28.280
essence. And then in the analysis, you have to figure out

810
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.600
what exactly is the essence. And so, you know, one person might

811
00:47:32.600 --> 00:47:35.200
think the essence of what thing another person might think it's

812
00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:39.480
another thing. It's it's not. It's not always as clear, clear

813
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:45.320
cut. So let me go over to Jennifer. Next. Let me answer

814
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:52.560
something for her. Jennifer at Penn. Jennifer's pinned. How are

815
00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:57.680
you? Good. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I've

816
00:47:57.680 --> 00:48:02.720
really been enjoying everybody's questions. Oh, that's wonderful.

817
00:48:02.720 --> 00:48:05.840
I'm glad to hear that. Let me um, let me see if I can get your

818
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.160
audio a little higher because your your audio is really low.

819
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.280
Does that help? It's a little higher. No, it's not Ray. It's

820
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.760
still really low for you to Yeah, it's pretty low. Yeah,

821
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.640
see, maybe there's some setting in my audio. There might be.

822
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.760
Yeah, I can hear you. But hopefully other people can hear

823
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.040
you as well. But go go right ahead.

824
00:48:27.520 --> 00:48:35.800
Okay, so, um, my question is, is about systems and teaching

825
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:43.040
methods. How do you define a method? Is it copyrightable? How

826
00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:44.640
do you lay that out? And

827
00:48:44.720 --> 00:48:49.240
yeah, that's a really good question. This clip right here

828
00:48:49.240 --> 00:48:53.160
is going to be really valuable for a lot of people. So if you

829
00:48:53.160 --> 00:48:56.480
have your own training method, your own course, your own your

830
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:00.800
own way of doing something, and you want to protect that, there's

831
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.400
certain aspects of it that are particularly important. So if

832
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.040
aspects of it that are protectable. So let's say that

833
00:49:08.040 --> 00:49:12.440
you have a course, course is easy, right? copyright, that's

834
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.560
definitely something that's protectable. An online course

835
00:49:15.560 --> 00:49:18.400
videos protectable by copyright audios protectable by

836
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:22.640
copyright. But what about the materials that you hand out? The

837
00:49:22.640 --> 00:49:25.240
materials that you hand out are protectable under copyright as

838
00:49:25.240 --> 00:49:30.160
well. So your single sheets, your questionnaire sheets, your

839
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.320
your additional descriptions of things, if they're electronic,

840
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.200
in an ebook, or if they're physical, they're both

841
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:41.840
protectable under copyright. Your flowcharts, whenever you're

842
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.960
teaching people things, you often use flowcharts, you'll say

843
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.320
do this first, then do this, then do this, take this and

844
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.680
combine it with that to do this, and you get that result. That

845
00:49:51.680 --> 00:49:56.520
flowchart, if it's, if it's an ornamental, not ornamental, if

846
00:49:56.520 --> 00:49:59.760
it's, if it's an image, like a picture, like,

847
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.180
like the one that I showed all of you on day two

848
00:50:02.180 --> 00:50:03.860
that I gave to everybody,

849
00:50:03.860 --> 00:50:06.060
that picture, which essentially is a flow chart,

850
00:50:06.060 --> 00:50:08.720
is protectable under copyright law,

851
00:50:08.720 --> 00:50:10.760
also protectable under copyright law.

852
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.900
So there's multiple things when it comes to teaching

853
00:50:13.900 --> 00:50:16.440
that are protectable under copyright law.

854
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.600
The other question is, well, what about the method?

855
00:50:18.600 --> 00:50:21.880
Is the method protectable under patent law, right?

856
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.020
Because patents allow you to stop others

857
00:50:25.020 --> 00:50:26.200
from making, using, selling,

858
00:50:26.200 --> 00:50:29.860
or importing your technology or your method, right?

859
00:50:29.860 --> 00:50:34.260
So if you could get a patent for a unique way of teaching

860
00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:35.940
or a unique way of doing something,

861
00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:37.940
then you could shut down the entire industry

862
00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:40.700
from doing that thing, and they can't compete with you.

863
00:50:41.700 --> 00:50:45.620
The unfortunate situation is that when it comes to teaching

864
00:50:45.620 --> 00:50:47.340
or training methods,

865
00:50:47.340 --> 00:50:51.020
your chances of getting patents are pretty low,

866
00:50:51.020 --> 00:50:53.700
unless it's involving some kind of software,

867
00:50:53.700 --> 00:50:57.900
some kind of technology that is being implemented

868
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.540
with the training.

869
00:51:00.540 --> 00:51:02.240
So let's say that I have,

870
00:51:03.680 --> 00:51:07.980
I'm teaching people on how to have more money

871
00:51:07.980 --> 00:51:09.700
for retirement, right?

872
00:51:09.700 --> 00:51:12.880
And in that training, I created a software program

873
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.260
that actually interacts with your bank

874
00:51:15.260 --> 00:51:17.340
and does certain things with the money

875
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:19.400
and does certain calculations.

876
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.260
And it actually, using this software in this program

877
00:51:23.260 --> 00:51:26.260
is gonna result in you having more money for retirement.

878
00:51:26.260 --> 00:51:29.180
If it has unique functionality in it,

879
00:51:29.180 --> 00:51:32.980
I might be able to file a patent for that functionality,

880
00:51:32.980 --> 00:51:35.180
which is part of my teaching

881
00:51:35.180 --> 00:51:37.060
because it's using a software package

882
00:51:37.060 --> 00:51:38.660
that may be protectable.

883
00:51:38.660 --> 00:51:40.380
That's part of my teaching.

884
00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:43.100
So there are, copyright tends to be

885
00:51:43.100 --> 00:51:44.120
one of the biggest things,

886
00:51:44.120 --> 00:51:47.560
but then finally, the next part is, well, trademarks.

887
00:51:47.560 --> 00:51:48.580
What's it called?

888
00:51:48.580 --> 00:51:50.620
What's the course called?

889
00:51:50.620 --> 00:51:53.860
What's the logo that's utilized on all the materials?

890
00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:56.020
Those are all protectable under trademarks.

891
00:51:56.980 --> 00:51:59.420
Go ahead, I saw your hand go up.

892
00:51:59.420 --> 00:52:00.620
Oh, Vicky was leaving.

893
00:52:00.620 --> 00:52:01.700
I was waving goodbye.

894
00:52:01.700 --> 00:52:03.140
Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha.

895
00:52:03.140 --> 00:52:03.980
Bye, Vicky.

896
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.300
So if somebody takes your infographic

897
00:52:10.300 --> 00:52:12.420
showing your flow chart

898
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:16.660
and they just sort of keep,

899
00:52:16.660 --> 00:52:18.580
they just reorganize it,

900
00:52:18.580 --> 00:52:23.580
is it the same concept or is it the idea,

901
00:52:23.580 --> 00:52:27.420
the flow of the process that's important?

902
00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:28.580
Yeah, it's a good question.

903
00:52:28.580 --> 00:52:33.580
So copyright protects not the functionality,

904
00:52:34.700 --> 00:52:36.440
not the concept.

905
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.700
It protects the embodiment that's fixed.

906
00:52:40.700 --> 00:52:43.460
That means the image, all right?

907
00:52:43.460 --> 00:52:46.580
So if you have five steps in your process

908
00:52:46.580 --> 00:52:48.460
and they're shown in an image,

909
00:52:48.460 --> 00:52:50.460
you do not own the functionality

910
00:52:50.460 --> 00:52:52.700
of the process through copyright.

911
00:52:52.700 --> 00:52:55.940
You own the picture showing the boxes,

912
00:52:55.940 --> 00:52:58.360
showing the words inside

913
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.780
with the different colors that are used.

914
00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:03.180
That's what you own.

915
00:53:03.180 --> 00:53:06.900
So let's say somebody moves box number two

916
00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:08.820
in the position of box number four

917
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:10.360
and they swap those two.

918
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:11.900
Is that copyright infringement?

919
00:53:13.780 --> 00:53:14.620
It might be.

920
00:53:14.620 --> 00:53:15.740
I mean, it might be considered

921
00:53:15.740 --> 00:53:18.220
to be a derivative of the original work,

922
00:53:18.220 --> 00:53:20.660
like a slight modification of the original work,

923
00:53:21.620 --> 00:53:25.100
in which case you're enforcing

924
00:53:25.100 --> 00:53:27.180
your legal rights to the image,

925
00:53:27.180 --> 00:53:29.540
not the functionality though.

926
00:53:29.540 --> 00:53:31.700
The only way you can protect functionality

927
00:53:31.700 --> 00:53:35.300
in intellectual property law is either a patent,

928
00:53:35.300 --> 00:53:36.500
which allows you to stop others

929
00:53:36.500 --> 00:53:38.820
from making, using, selling, or importing the functionality

930
00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:41.740
or the system method apparatus,

931
00:53:41.740 --> 00:53:44.460
or trade secret on the trade.

932
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:45.700
What did I miss?

933
00:53:45.700 --> 00:53:46.780
I missed something.

934
00:53:46.780 --> 00:53:48.700
It's just the way you rattled it off.

935
00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:51.380
You're like, oh, la, la, la, la, la.

936
00:53:51.380 --> 00:53:52.740
Yeah, I'll go slower.

937
00:53:52.740 --> 00:53:53.580
So I've had a lot of-

938
00:53:53.580 --> 00:53:57.100
No, I can tell you've said it a lot of times in your life.

939
00:53:57.100 --> 00:53:59.700
Oh, I've taught thousands.

940
00:53:59.700 --> 00:54:01.940
Yes, I've done it for a while.

941
00:54:01.940 --> 00:54:03.900
Yeah, so trade secret,

942
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:06.300
the way trade secrets work is

943
00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:09.340
you have to maintain that thing as confidential,

944
00:54:09.340 --> 00:54:12.360
meaning nobody has access to it.

945
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:13.980
It's on a single computer

946
00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:16.900
that's not connected to the local area network.

947
00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:18.580
It's not on the internet.

948
00:54:19.580 --> 00:54:22.900
Please, it's not saved in the cloud.

949
00:54:22.900 --> 00:54:26.220
You can't hold a trademark by putting things in the cloud.

950
00:54:26.220 --> 00:54:27.780
Those things don't work together.

951
00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:31.780
So as someone who's doing a training or a teaching,

952
00:54:31.780 --> 00:54:34.200
your copyright is gonna be your best friend,

953
00:54:35.100 --> 00:54:38.100
but if you're trying to protect that functionality,

954
00:54:38.100 --> 00:54:41.820
only thing that's available are really patents

955
00:54:41.820 --> 00:54:42.660
and trade secrets.

956
00:54:42.660 --> 00:54:46.300
And if you're teaching people the thing by its very nature,

957
00:54:46.300 --> 00:54:47.540
you can't get a trade secret

958
00:54:47.540 --> 00:54:48.660
because you're teaching people it.

959
00:54:48.660 --> 00:54:50.860
So it's already publicly known.

960
00:54:50.860 --> 00:54:52.980
So that just leaves you with patents.

961
00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:54.740
Right, they give me the idea,

962
00:54:54.740 --> 00:54:56.660
I put it in my opaque box

963
00:54:56.660 --> 00:54:58.080
and then the solution pops out.

964
00:54:58.080 --> 00:54:58.920
There we go.

965
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.320
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

966
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:08.080
So it's a little tricky to obtain the legal rights when you're a teacher,

967
00:55:08.080 --> 00:55:15.600
but I've taught a lot of people in the foundations and IP package about the teaching part,

968
00:55:15.600 --> 00:55:17.240
and the thing that always comes out,

969
00:55:17.240 --> 00:55:19.680
I'll say 90 percent of the time is copyrights.

970
00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:21.800
That's usually the area.

971
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.920
Then we start to get really creative with audio and video

972
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:29.160
and other things that you can do with your materials.

973
00:55:29.160 --> 00:55:31.760
I mean, you could actually get copyrights on your e-mails,

974
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:33.480
like your format of them.

975
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.160
So there's different things you can do.

976
00:55:35.160 --> 00:55:36.000
Yeah.

977
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:42.800
Yeah. I'm just wondering because in the field that I'm going into,

978
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.360
because I'm currently in photography,

979
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.120
there are a lot of industry standards,

980
00:55:50.120 --> 00:55:54.920
and so it sounds like it's a pretty open field for me to

981
00:55:54.920 --> 00:56:03.920
re-explain in my own words and my own process using a framework that's established,

982
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.840
but I'm re-imagining it.

983
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:08.800
Yeah. So you got to think of other things,

984
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:11.840
like if you're taking somebody else's framework and you're incorporating it in,

985
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.040
are you going to take their images?

986
00:56:13.040 --> 00:56:15.120
Are you going to take their descriptions?

987
00:56:15.120 --> 00:56:18.120
What exactly are you incorporating into your thing?

988
00:56:18.120 --> 00:56:20.800
So I would look into all those things,

989
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.840
and copyright is one of the biggest things that's going to be,

990
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.400
you know, your friend or enemy, basically.

991
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:27.240
Okay.

992
00:56:27.240 --> 00:56:29.720
So let me go over to Kenya. Hopefully, that helps.

993
00:56:29.720 --> 00:56:31.480
No, that really helps. Thank you.

994
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:33.520
Sure. It's your thing.

995
00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:38.240
To Kenya.

996
00:56:38.240 --> 00:56:38.880
Boom.

997
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:39.920
Here we are.

998
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:41.240
Hello.

999
00:56:41.240 --> 00:56:43.440
Hopefully, sorry, this will be quick, I think.

1000
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:48.920
I was looking over my list,

1001
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.480
and the service providers,

1002
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.280
I just, third-party service providers,

1003
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:56.800
what does that include?

1004
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:00.720
I mean, like I have online shops on Shopify,

1005
00:57:00.720 --> 00:57:03.600
would they be considered a third-party service provider?

1006
00:57:03.600 --> 00:57:04.840
Shopify would be third-party.

1007
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:08.760
Okay. And what about like PayPal or Square or places I take money?

1008
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.240
Those are third-parties for financial transactions, though.

1009
00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:14.200
If you're dealing with things that are,

1010
00:57:14.200 --> 00:57:16.200
yeah, if you're dealing with things for like paintings,

1011
00:57:16.200 --> 00:57:18.440
and are you looking at the checklist for the meeting?

1012
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:19.280
Yeah.

1013
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.000
Yeah. So I don't care about PayPal and Stripe.

1014
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:23.640
That's just financial transaction.

1015
00:57:23.640 --> 00:57:28.280
It really has no effect on your personal IP.

1016
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:29.760
It has no effect on it at all.

1017
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:33.400
So what would be other, I mean, like even Facebook,

1018
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:35.440
would that be considered a third-party service provider?

1019
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.880
If you're putting your stuff on Facebook, that's one.

1020
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:41.920
If you're using Zoom, that's another thing.

1021
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:42.360
Okay.

1022
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:43.440
I don't know if you knew about this,

1023
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.720
but Zoom decided at one point in June,

1024
00:57:46.720 --> 00:57:48.560
I think it is, they came out with an announcement saying

1025
00:57:48.560 --> 00:57:53.480
they were going to take all of the recordings that people create

1026
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:57.120
and train their internal database,

1027
00:57:57.120 --> 00:58:01.720
their internal engine on how to provide good results

1028
00:58:01.720 --> 00:58:05.080
to people in transcriptions and other things like that,

1029
00:58:05.080 --> 00:58:07.120
using our content.

1030
00:58:07.120 --> 00:58:08.920
They came out and said that.

1031
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:12.800
And then two days later, somebody caught wind of this

1032
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.320
and it got onto what's now called X, I guess.

1033
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:18.720
It used to be Twitter.

1034
00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:20.680
And it went viral.

1035
00:58:20.680 --> 00:58:22.640
Like people just went crazy.

1036
00:58:22.640 --> 00:58:27.640
And so they reached out to Zoom and said,

1037
00:58:27.720 --> 00:58:30.600
hold it, I'm having confidential meetings

1038
00:58:30.600 --> 00:58:33.560
with my clients on your platform.

1039
00:58:33.560 --> 00:58:34.760
And you're telling me that you're going to take

1040
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:38.080
the video recording of my confidential meeting

1041
00:58:38.080 --> 00:58:41.440
and utilize that to train your internal engine?

1042
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:42.760
I don't think so.

1043
00:58:43.720 --> 00:58:44.560
That's not happening.

1044
00:58:44.560 --> 00:58:46.440
And so it went, people went crazy about that.

1045
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.000
And then finally Zoom came out and said,

1046
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:49.440
okay, no, we're not going to do that.

1047
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:50.880
And they stopped.

1048
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:52.520
So why do I mention that?

1049
00:58:52.520 --> 00:58:55.560
Yeah, if there's certain platforms that you're using

1050
00:58:55.560 --> 00:58:57.640
for your products, wherever you're putting them,

1051
00:58:57.640 --> 00:58:59.000
your paintings or where you're selling,

1052
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.920
it's good to raise those up.

1053
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:01.920
Okay, sorry.

1054
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.520
I probably would have waited other than I was curious

1055
00:59:04.520 --> 00:59:06.800
and I thought might be helpful for other people.

1056
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:10.040
No, I think that list that you just received,

1057
00:59:10.040 --> 00:59:12.600
what I've found over many years are those are the things

1058
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:17.760
that will most likely dictate the direction of guidance

1059
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:18.720
that you receive.

1060
00:59:18.720 --> 00:59:22.000
So that's why I, are there eight or nine, right?

1061
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:22.840
So there-

1062
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:23.680
I don't remember.

1063
00:59:23.680 --> 00:59:25.400
That was number six.

1064
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:26.240
So it's-

1065
00:59:26.240 --> 00:59:27.200
I believe there's seven.

1066
00:59:27.200 --> 00:59:28.200
Is it seven total?

1067
00:59:28.200 --> 00:59:29.040
I think so.

1068
00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:29.880
Eight or nine.

1069
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.240
There may be another one I needed to add.

1070
00:59:31.240 --> 00:59:33.560
I will tell you right now, actually.

1071
00:59:33.560 --> 00:59:34.640
It's seven.

1072
00:59:34.640 --> 00:59:35.480
It's seven?

1073
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:36.320
Yeah.

1074
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:37.160
Okay, yeah.

1075
00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:38.280
Yeah, so I have to take a look at it again

1076
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:40.360
and see if there was something I needed to add to that.

1077
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.800
But yeah, that list will help.

1078
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:45.320
It'll help you a lot.

1079
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:46.160
Okay.

1080
00:59:46.160 --> 00:59:50.160
Yeah, no, I just was curious what a third-party provider,

1081
00:59:50.160 --> 00:59:52.120
like what that encompassed, so.

1082
00:59:52.120 --> 00:59:53.200
Right, so that's everything

1083
00:59:53.200 --> 00:59:54.840
from your domain name provider

1084
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:57.120
to the people who created the websites.

1085
00:59:57.120 --> 00:59:58.440
That was on my-

1086
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.240
You know, whoever is storing your-

1087
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.640
Material things like that just and the reason why I raised that up is because then in our in our conversations if I know

1088
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:13.480
Go daddy was hired to create the website and go daddy came up with the domain name the very next thing

1089
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:18.720
I'm gonna be thinking is okay. That means you're licensing this thing month or year after year after year

1090
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:21.920
Versus you own it, right?

1091
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:26.880
And so now if you're thinking of potentially going after a trademark that's similar to the domain name

1092
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.520
There's certain things that we need to look at so

1093
01:00:31.080 --> 01:00:35.120
The name cheap for domains so you just get a one-time fee with them

1094
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:37.880
well

1095
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:44.360
You can purchase it per year or you can do it in five-year blocks. Okay, so that part of you want that parts

1096
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:49.880
The same as go go daddy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's my domain through go. Daddy is fine

1097
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:54.400
They don't but I know just as long as I don't have anything built by them, correct

1098
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:00.480
Yeah, and even having things built by them is okay just realize that in some of their agreements they own the license

1099
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:09.080
Yeah, and so once you stop working with them, you have to either buy it outright or you can lose rights to whatever

1100
01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:15.200
You know you purchase from them. Okay, and then but then there's other agreements like I've done with go daddy. Go daddy is not bad

1101
01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:21.120
I've used them on different things. It's just you need to know what you're getting into. So we talk about stuff like that as well

1102
01:01:21.560 --> 01:01:28.200
Okay, awesome, thank you, you're so welcome. All right last question for today today's been questions and answers

1103
01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:33.760
Like just pure Q&A. Let me see. I will go back to Adelaide

1104
01:01:34.720 --> 01:01:39.600
Better spotlighted already. Okay. Thank you. Yes. No stop hitting people

1105
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:43.760
Shall I speak

1106
01:01:45.600 --> 01:01:47.200
Okay, um

1107
01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:50.040
So, I don't even know whether my ideas are worth

1108
01:01:50.680 --> 01:01:56.200
Copywriting if they're just inspired by you know, so for example an idea that I had was to add

1109
01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.920
you know how people have websites and they have all these tabs on the top and

1110
01:02:02.160 --> 01:02:05.560
Some people have podcasts so they'll have a tab. That's podcast

1111
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:14.120
but for people who don't have entrepreneurs who don't have the bandwidth or the energy to run a podcast I

1112
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:21.920
Had this idea for to help them create just a short series of audio stories or interviews

1113
01:02:22.240 --> 01:02:24.240
So they can have you know

1114
01:02:24.680 --> 01:02:31.000
And I thought maybe I didn't just call it just add audio or something or other that they can add to their website

1115
01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:35.040
So just that one off but at least people get a different

1116
01:02:36.040 --> 01:02:41.120
Way of engaging with that. It's it's it's enhancing a different sense. Yeah

1117
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:48.520
So it's not that like not too different from you know, someone adding a podcast and sticking an additional tab up there

1118
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:54.360
But I guess I have not really seen anybody have this specific idea

1119
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:59.040
I just don't know whether it's actually worth, you know, it's something that's so easy to copy as well

1120
01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:02.200
Um, I don't know whether it's actually worth copywriting

1121
01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:07.920
Yes, so that wouldn't be that wouldn't be copyright a bull I mean adding

1122
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:10.880
If there's a website and

1123
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:17.840
On the top of the website there used to be an area with a drop-down for podcasts and I change it over to audio

1124
01:03:18.600 --> 01:03:20.800
That's not a copywritable thing

1125
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:26.760
That's just you know, it's a new feature. The question is is adding that new feature

1126
01:03:27.560 --> 01:03:29.560
potentially patentable and

1127
01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:32.240
not legal advice, but

1128
01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:36.160
In my just kind of

1129
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.480
Looking at is

1130
01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:42.440
Adding a feature of audio instead of video in and of itself

1131
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:45.440
Patentable, I wouldn't think so

1132
01:03:46.080 --> 01:03:48.760
you know for for potentially owning so I

1133
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:55.480
Would I wouldn't spend a lot of time and now let's let's say that there's a unique way that you provide the audio though

1134
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:01.000
Like there's something that you're doing that's different from others that unique thing may be patentable

1135
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:06.440
But just allowing somebody to listen to audio instead of watch a video

1136
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:12.280
You know that in and of itself doesn't seem like oh my gosh. Yes patent

1137
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:18.960
Because the the avail the ability to listen to audio on websites already exists

1138
01:04:19.600 --> 01:04:26.440
That's not a new thing. Now the ability now for a specific audio. This is actually a good point. We'll close on this

1139
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.800
Providing specific functionality

1140
01:04:31.080 --> 01:04:33.080
to someone

1141
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:39.120
In a field that where it has not been provided before. So what do I mean by that?

1142
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.440
Let's say this concept of providing audio

1143
01:04:44.120 --> 01:04:49.960
On the on the site is is unique in this area like nobody's done that before

1144
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:51.720
but we know that

1145
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:53.880
But we know that

1146
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:59.800
The idea of having a website where you can select from audio and play different audios already exists. That's not new

1147
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:09.940
It's just that these people, let's say that it's for doctors, and there's no doctor site

1148
01:05:09.940 --> 01:05:16.760
where people can listen to audios in their car, that just doesn't happen, is the fact

1149
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:22.600
that I'm taking a technology that already exists and I'm making it available in a field

1150
01:05:22.600 --> 01:05:25.240
where it's not really used, does that make it patentable?

1151
01:05:25.240 --> 01:05:26.240
No.

1152
01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:28.320
That in and of itself doesn't make it patentable.

1153
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:30.040
Does it become copyrightable?

1154
01:05:30.040 --> 01:05:35.440
No, because for something to be copyrightable, it needs to be new.

1155
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:41.040
The new audio that's created is copyrightable, like the podcasts are copyrightable, the audio

1156
01:05:41.040 --> 01:05:47.560
recordings are copyrightable, but just the fact that I'm using audio instead of video,

1157
01:05:47.560 --> 01:05:48.560
not copyrightable.

1158
01:05:48.560 --> 01:05:49.560
What about trademarks?

1159
01:05:49.560 --> 01:05:53.840
With trademarks, when I do an analysis, I look at this and I say, well, is there a new

1160
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:55.160
logo for what I'm doing?

1161
01:05:55.160 --> 01:05:56.960
Is there a new name for what I'm doing?

1162
01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:02.400
That might be protectable, but in and of itself, copyrights are supposed to be an identification

1163
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:06.280
of a source of goods or services, meaning you see that name and that's what you want

1164
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:07.600
to go to.

1165
01:06:07.600 --> 01:06:13.200
You see the name Spotify, I want to go to Spotify because I know I have many different

1166
01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:20.320
choices of music to listen to, but that's not protecting the functionality of providing

1167
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:23.120
audio on a site that typically would have video.

1168
01:06:23.120 --> 01:06:25.120
Does that make sense?

1169
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:31.000
Yeah, so I guess in my case, just be happy just to do it as a service and be happy with

1170
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.960
the fact that someone else will probably copy it.

1171
01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:37.280
Well, again, it depends on how you're implementing, right?

1172
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:41.800
We're talking theoretically and all we've really said is instead of doing videos or

1173
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:46.200
showing audio, there may be a way that you do it that's unique, that might potentially

1174
01:06:46.200 --> 01:06:48.120
be protectable.

1175
01:06:48.120 --> 01:06:52.840
I just don't have enough information to be able to tell you that and that's not what

1176
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:53.840
you do here.

1177
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.160
We don't go disclosing this stuff here.

1178
01:06:56.160 --> 01:06:58.880
There's other people here, so we don't do that here.

1179
01:06:58.880 --> 01:06:59.880
Okay?

1180
01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:00.880
Okay, thank you.

1181
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:07.160
All right, my friends, well, this was a huge Q&A session, which is awesome.

1182
01:07:07.160 --> 01:07:08.360
Hopefully that was helpful for people.

1183
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:13.800
I know there's some people that didn't ask questions during this session, but tomorrow

1184
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:18.800
it's going to be more like training, teaching, which I'll be doing during that time.

1185
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:20.880
And oh, there's a bunch of messages here.

1186
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.880
What are all these messages?

1187
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:23.920
Rae, are you pinging me?

1188
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:28.920
I was pinging you and telling you to stop pinning people.

1189
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:29.920
Oh.

1190
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:33.920
I was spotlighting people and then you would pin them and it would take them off and make

1191
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:38.920
them, it rotates between you and them and then I would have to go back and re-spotlight

1192
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:39.920
you and then re-pin.

1193
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:41.920
And it's going to be a disaster on the replay.

1194
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:42.920
That's hilarious.

1195
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:43.920
It'll look like I'm juggling both spotlights.

1196
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:44.920
Are they going to go like this?

1197
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:45.920
Yep.

1198
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:46.920
Oh, that's hilarious.

1199
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:47.920
I love it.

1200
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:48.920
That's hilarious.

1201
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:49.920
All right.

1202
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:50.920
Awesome.

1203
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:51.920
Well, thank you for doing that.

1204
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:52.960
I appreciate you doing that instead of Larissa.

1205
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:53.960
That's great.

1206
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:54.960
All right.

1207
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:55.960
All right, my friends.

1208
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:56.960
Well, I'm going to let you all go.

1209
01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:57.960
I hope you have a wonderful evening.

1210
01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:58.960
Tomorrow is day four.

1211
01:07:58.960 --> 01:07:59.960
We're going to do copyrights part two.

1212
01:07:59.960 --> 01:08:00.960
It's going to go deeper into more difficult concepts.

1213
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:01.960
Like fair use is a very difficult concept to understand.

1214
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:02.960
So I'm going to take it very slowly so people can understand that.

1215
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:03.960
And I'm probably going to release, no, I think maybe I'm going to release a video

1216
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:04.960
tomorrow.

1217
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:05.960
I don't know.

1218
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:06.960
I don't know.

1219
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:07.960
I don't know.

1220
01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:08.960
I don't know.

1221
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:09.960
I don't know.

1222
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:10.960
I don't know.

1223
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:11.960
I don't know.

1224
01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:12.960
I don't know.

1225
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:13.960
I don't know.

1226
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:14.960
I don't know.

1227
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:15.960
I don't know.

1228
01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:17.120
Okay.

1229
01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:18.120
So I'm going to take it very slowly so people can understand that.

1230
01:08:18.120 --> 01:08:25.600
And I'm probably going to release, no, I think maybe on day five I'll release a scenario

1231
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:27.439
for people to look at to see.

1232
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:30.319
This way you can determine whether you've learned things or not.

1233
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:36.920
I have a real life scenario that will go through one by one, and each line you can figure out

1234
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:41.340
what's the area of IP that pertains to that one line.

1235
01:08:41.340 --> 01:08:44.740
So you can see how you've actually become idea protectors.

1236
01:08:44.740 --> 01:08:47.600
How you've actually now understand certain things.

1237
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:52.680
You may not understand things 100%, but you understand them enough to identify them now.

1238
01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:55.840
So now it just becomes a matter of getting better and better at it.

1239
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.080
And so that's why we provide all the things that we do.

1240
01:08:58.080 --> 01:09:03.880
So with that, I wish you a wonderful evening and I'll see all of you tomorrow.

1241
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:04.880
All right.

1242
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:05.880
All right.

1243
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:06.880
Take care.

1244
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:07.880
Bless you guys.

1245
01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:07.880