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Yo, yo, I think we are live now, my beautiful friends.

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So I just realized that I forgot to drop the link to you here, so here's a Zoom link.

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I'm just dropping the Zoom link into the group now for you.

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There you go, Zoom link is in the group, yeah, so if you want to jump on board for the Zoom,

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you can grab that in the group, let me email it to you right now as well, so you've got

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it on email as well. If you're not in the group, I'll just shoot it to you now too so that you

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have it on email. But how are you doing? Yeah, we'll just chill out here for a moment while

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we wait for people to jump into the Zoom room. I'm just checking in here,

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that it's all working, yep, we're live. Yeah, so just click into the Zoom room here, guys.

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It's always more fun to do Q&A with people live like that. So yeah, oh, there we go.

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People are jumping in here. Excellent, very cool.

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Well, yeah, good to have you here, gonna be a fun session.

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How are you doing? Feel free to get chatty. Jennifer, good to see you.

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I've been here. Tell me about your day, tell me how you're doing today.

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Slow start today. Slow start today. Yeah, hard to get out of bed. I mean, it's locked down, it's cold, it's cloudy.

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Just staying in bed, eh? That's all right. It's nice if it's...

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Hang on a second. Just checking that I've got...

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I'm just sending you on that link to just grab the link out of the Zoom room now.

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So you guys, I see a couple more of you guys in there on the live. Feel free to jump in here

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if you want to. So lockdown for you guys again. What's happened that you guys are back in lockdown?

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Someone from... was in quarantine in South Australia, came back home to Victoria

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and then discovered he had COVID, but not until he'd been out and about a bit.

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And so we've got, I don't know, quite a number of cases, so they're just trying to put a bed on it now.

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Yeah, yeah. That's a bit rude, isn't it? A bit rude.

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So, yeah, that's the one that I wanted.

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And have we got from the people who are watching us on Facebook, have you guys got questions there

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ready to go? It's always a little bit trickier to chat with you guys when you're there. So I like

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this Zoom room. That's why I'm hanging around here just trying to invite you guys to come join in.

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But we've got a couple of the questions that people have asked in the group already, which

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we will definitely get to. But then we've also got, yeah, like just drop any questions you've

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got now as well. And we can, we can check those all out and we're going to have a bit of fun.

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We're going to be wrestling with a pretty deep, deep topic today, but I think it's going to be

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pretty awesome.

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Cool. So I'll drop those questions here in the comments as well. Jennifer, do you, would you like

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to pray for us as we get going? Oh, OK. I guess you don't have many other options, do you?

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Yeah, I'm just going to do not disturb my phone first. I just really want to pray for you.

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I'm just going to do not disturb my phone first. I just realised that's true.

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Oh yeah, go for it.

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Well I just thank you for this opportunity to really dig deep

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and to to come to know the truth and I just ask for your

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spirit of revelation to be honest now so we can see see

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you see truth and know truth and live in truth and just be

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founded in the truth. So I just ask you really bless Benji as

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he as he brings words that you grant him clarity as to the

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questions I've asked what the deep thing is that needs to be

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dealt with not maybe not just the surface thing and I just I

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just ask these things in the precious name of Jesus. Yeah.

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Amen. Very very cool. Um Sweet. Good to see some of you guys

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jumping in here and we were just saying thank you very much

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for praying Jennifer. I was just saying that if you want to

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and you're looking for the Zoom link it's posted here in the

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group. So I'll just I'm just here we go. I'm just let's see

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if I can edit this on the fly.

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Oh yes I can. Okay cool cool. I'm just putting the Zoom link

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for anyone if you are missing it. It's in your emails. It's

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here in the post in the group and now it's also in the

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description of this video. So there we go. We've got lots of

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places now where the Zoom link is available. So there you go.

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If you wanted to get on the Zoom link you shouldn't have a

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problem now. It's everywhere. Um and it's good times. Okay so

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well I see a couple of new questions. Corinna's working and

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listening. Kerry's waiting for the link. So just so you know

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Kerry there you go. Kerry's jumping in there right now.

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She's found the link. Lisa's listening from the UK. Anna is

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with us from the States. So we've got Australia. Um well we

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got three from Oz. We got the States. We got the UK. We got

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New Zealand. We got a good good representation on the team. So

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cool cool. Well um Jennifer we should start with your question

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but just before we start with that question let's just take a

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couple of minutes now just to pray in the Holy Spirit. Pray

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in the Holy Ghost for a little bit and let's just um lean into

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that space as well where the Spirit of God is flowing

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beautifully and sweetly. He's always flowing. Let's just uh

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just pray in the Spirit for a little bit and open our hearts

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up to everything that God wants to do in us.

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No name higher than your name is Jesus. We lift you up.

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We lift you up. We exalt you in our hearts and in our lives and

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everywhere we go we lift up your name. You're sure Messiah. We

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decree we declare that Jesus you are the king of kings and the

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lord of lords. We decree and we declare that every knee will bow.

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Every tongue will worship. Every knee will bow. Every tongue

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confess that you alone are the king of kings and the lord of

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lords and we give you

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all the glory and all the honor. Yeshua Messiah, we say he lifted high in us like never before.

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We thank you right now Holy Spirit for everyone in this journey in the Online School of Sancho.

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We thank you for doing a work now on our minds Holy Spirit. We thank you for doing a work on

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our hearts. We thank you for the softening right now by your Spirit, the softening of our hearts

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and the softening of our minds that there would be a softening so that it's like rain on dry soil

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so that the weeds can be pulled out effortlessly. Would you release rain on our minds? Would you

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release the softening of our minds so that you can go deep into our subconscious, our unconscious,

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deep deep deep into us and pull out those deep-seated lies and cheats and say,

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whoa would you go deep in us Jesus? Well we submit a phrase to you, we submit to your word,

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we submit to your name, we submit to your presence, we submit to your voice, we submit to your Spirit

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and we welcome you to do a deep work in our hearts and in our minds like never before. Go deeper in us,

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wrestle out the lies that that have made themselves comfortable in the core of our being.

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We thank you for wrestling those out and establishing truth in us that positions us

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for effortless oneness, effortless bliss, effortless union, whoa in you. Wow, amen, beautiful.

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All right, hey Inna, good to hear from you. Oh look, there we go.

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I've got some more love jumping in here. Okay, so Jennifer, this is beautiful. We

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should start with your question. Good morning, evening, where are you coming from?

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Alberta, Canada. Alberta, Canada. Right, well good evening. Hi Benji. Good to see you. Now

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how do I say your name correctly? Heike. Heike, that's good. Yeah, it's German.

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It's what, sorry? It's German. It's German, Heike. German, yeah. I was born there but

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immigrated when I was six. Yes, well you sound like you immigrated a long, long time ago.

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I did. Now let me test you on your German roots. If I said very, very quickly, if I said

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what did I just say in German? Okay, say that one more time.

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Yes, very good. You passed, right? Very good. That's all my German. I've just unleashed all my German on you.

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Okay, so yeah, Jennifer, why don't you take it away with your question? This is a pretty good one.

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Well, I didn't print it off, so I'll have to go from memory, but it was basically,

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it seemed to me that there are places in the New Testament where Jesus was saying we were sinful,

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and in Romans it talks about we've been rescued from our, you know, we've been freed from our

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sinful nature, which sort of means we had one. We've been freed from the power of sin, so we're

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under the power of sin. Yeah, so I can't quite see how that sort of works with being perfect,

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or having always been perfect. And how could you possibly have always been perfect if there's

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evidence of imperfection? Yeah, and if I look in my own life, there's still evidence of imperfection,

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especially if you ask my children. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Don't ask your children.

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So yeah, that is a brilliant question. First of all, let me ask you guys another question.

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Do you want, what answer would you like to be true? I'm just teasing now, like what answer

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would you like to be true? Would you like it if I prove to you from the Bible, if I got my Bible

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out here, would you like it if I proved to you that you were rotten to the core?

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Yeah, or would you like it if I proved to you that, I'm just asking you, like for you, what

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would you actually, what would you like the answer to be? This is not theological, you know, this is

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just like me just playing, teasing you, but you know, what would you like the answer to be? Would

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you like the answer to be that actually you're perfect, and you're made in the image of God,

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and you are?

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righteousness of God in Christ Jesus or would you like the answer to be that you've got a sinful

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nature and you corrupt to the core and you you're a reprobate you're depraved and there's something

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you know intrinsically wrong with you? I'll take the first one. Okay you'd like you'd like it to

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be true that you're made in the image of God you're the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus and you're

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perfect? Yes. Okay Kerry and you guys in the comments feel free to um chuck out your thoughts

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to the Facebook world as well. Kerry and Jennifer what would you like to be true? I'd be happy to

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believe I was perfect but yeah I don't know. Okay so you'd like to believe that but yeah like you'd

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like to believe that but there's a few big buts there stopping you from accepting that as a viable

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option. Yeah. Okay Kerry? I'd like to believe I'm perfect. And how do you sit with it at the moment?

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Pretty well. I had a vision of sonship when I was in my early 20s and I that's how I thought

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that we were perfect. Great and how about now?

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Uh I get it's a bit confusing when you talk to people um because you've got to bring sin in

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somewhere somehow with with some people. Do you or don't you? Oh well it's your story you're living it.

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Okay I'm sorry. Hi Jackie. Pardon me? Oh I'm just saying hi Jackie. Jackie just jumped into the

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group uh into the zoom as well but. Hi. Hi Kerry. Um I came into this knowledge of you know being

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perfect probably about four or five years ago and it like literally changed a lot of things for me.

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Um so that verse from Galatians 2 20 became my go-to verse like I've been crucified with Christ

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it's no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me and the life that I live I live by the faith

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of the one who loves me and died for me. And when I struggle with sin I would just quote that and it

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would set my mind and my heart towards that truth. Okay Micah are you okay if we get some

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like if we utilize your life as a bit of an example and go deep? Sure. And how comfortable

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are you with vulnerable questions? Uh very vulnerable just come right out and ask. Okay

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sweet. All right so when you're struggling with sin what what what are you struggling with? You

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know what's what's the stuff that you personally struggle with? Your secret stuff? What is it

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that's the junk that you've wrestled with? Well um about eight years ago my husband passed away

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and um I would lay at night in bed longing for intimate touch and wanting um

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yeah just to have someone and he wasn't there so I was very tempted to pleasure myself

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to be totally blunt with you and I just I just struggled with that I didn't want to fall into

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that so and that is when I got this knowledge about that I don't have to sin I don't have to

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go down that road and I started quoting that verse and it just set me free like literally within

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a minute or two the temptations would leave and I would just be able to go to sleep and be at peace.

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Okay well good stuff well thank you very much appreciate that. Is I too deep and vulnerable?

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Not at all not at all we can talk about masturbation another time anyway it can be

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for another conversation whether or not that's an issue whether it's terrible or whether

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does masturbation make you gay?

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we'll leave that for now but I'm just saying no it's totally fine to be vulnerable it's

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totally fine to be transparent um huge amount of what we wrestle with is sexual

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just a big part of our identity and our journey so that's and also because that's also a big part of

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um where most people's shame lies yeah so if we it's and i won't say you know it's just all i'd

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say is it's a high percentage for people is that our shame is somehow fused with our sexuality

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and it's no accident because that's always the path that Satan wants to go after that because

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he understands that anything that's sexual carries a higher level of shame with it so for me my my

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secret sin you know that i was uh you know when i was a little kid was just playing doctor nurses

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you know with some of the other kids around but you know because there was nudity involved and

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it felt like a you know it wasn't actually really anything sexual but we're running around naked as

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kids and things like that that that dynamic of it uh put this insane level amount level of shame on

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me you know i just i was i was my identity was fused with shame and so my yeah the conclusion

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that i came to for myself even as like a little kid you know like six years old you don't have

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to be very old to come to powerful conclusions about yourself and this is why Satan always attacks

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people's sexuality you know sexual abuse is rampant you know in New Zealand sexual abuse is about you

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know 25 percent of girls by the time they're 16 being sexually abused and about 20 percent of guys

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so this is not like a small area and that's just by the time people are 16 you know never mind the

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rest of your life and all the rest of your journey and um and whatever else is happening

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and that's just people abusing you let alone the ideas that we come to and the conclusions we come

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to about ourselves so the the core of our being and for me i even as you know a six-year-old i came to

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this conclusion there's something intrinsically wrong with me right like i come to that conclusion

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there's something intrinsically wrong with me and this is really really significant to the

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conversation that we're having right now the questions that we're going to ask and answer

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and wrestle with right now is the moment that we come to the conclusion that we're anything less

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than perfect shame will come on us to to one degree or another okay so the moment that we

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are convinced that we're less than perfect in any way then there's a vacuum right that fills that

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gap so anywhere that anywhere in our mind that is less than fully persuaded that we are already

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100 perfect and we're already 100 the righteousness of god and christ jesus

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anywhere where that is not uh we're not fully persuaded of that inadequacy fills the vacuum

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so we come to the conclusion that there's something wrong with us if you're not perfect

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then you've automatically you automatically come to the conclusion that there's something wrong

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with you right and the moment that you come to the conclusion that there's something wrong with you

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you know two things happen a whole not just two things the moment that you are convinced that

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you're anything less than perfect it starts off an entire chain reaction of orphan dysfunction

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so the first thing that happens the first thing that happens is inadequacy you know that that

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sense of okay there's i'm inadequate i'm not enough there's something wrong with me

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something's dysfunctional something's broken about me all right and then when we conclude that

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um once we come to that conclusion so this is deep psychology and it's really important to

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understand that you know i've said this before i said this in the um in the open heaven intensive

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is that our psychology is our spirituality and people haven't people christians haven't understood

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this you know christians haven't understood that most of what jesus talked about in regards to

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truth and repentance and faith is actually psychology so jesus is very very very interested

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in our psychology because our psychology is our spirituality and our psychology is our theology

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our psychology determines our identity our psychology determines our intimacy with the

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trinity our psychology determines the divine doubts our psychology determines our state of being so

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psychology is extremely important and jesus made psychology one of his big big topics so

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anytime jesus mentioned the truth it was the topic was psychology anytime he mentioned the word

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the topic was psychology so um so the psychology of what happens to us the moment we believe that

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we're anything less than perfect we come to the conclusion that we there is something wrong with

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us okay that there's something something wrong with who we are then it brings shame on us okay

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and shame is hey how you doing good to see you all the way from vietnam here i am in your town

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good to see you too sorry it's so late um i i've been out um getting some necessities for

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online schooling and got caught up at the gate because of my temperature read 37.5

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oh so i had to cool down to let me in

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very cool well good to see you good to see you too you're looking great by the way

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oh thank you thank you very much i'm cooling down i'm sure it's the cooling yes

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so here we are we're talking psychology um we're talking about what happens when we come to the

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conclusion that we're anything less than perfect okay so inadequacy fills our heart shame fills

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our heart and shame is another um shame and self-hatred are the same thing right we don't

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necessarily realize it but shame and self-hatred are exactly the same thing and directly connected

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with that is isolation okay and in the butte one of the one of the most classic places that we see

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that is the garden of you know of eden when when the fall happens right so there's a psychological

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process happen takes place at at the pool that results in isolation and dysfunction okay so

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you're always gonna whenever there's whenever there's a inadequacy it will lead to isolation

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whenever there's a conviction that you're not enough that will lead to isolation and god won't

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be um it's really important to understand that god isn't initiating our disconnection god isn't

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initiating our isolation that's something that we do all by ourselves and we do it subconsciously

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and unconsciously it becomes our it's a it's a chain reaction it's a default becomes a default

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setting anytime that you believe you're not you're less than perfect in any way you become the source

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of your own separation and and that happens at a deep level so even if on a conscious level you're

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like i want god i want god at a subconscious and an unconscious level you're running from him

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you're not consciously aware of that you're doing that but that is always the uh that's

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always the fruit of believing that you're not perfect is that it causes you to run from him so

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for me as a little kid coming to the conclusion that i wasn't um i wasn't perfect that you know

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because i've been playing doctors and nurses that have fused shame uh into the core of my

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being i hated myself also produced a big trigger you know so satan just needed to press that button

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and holy you know i would i would go into full-scale rage mode and not you know like this

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was for years and years and years well over a decade before i got free of that well over a

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decade um for some people it's you know like 50 years 60 years 70 years they just die with it you

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know they never they never resolve those triggers they never resolve those conclusions that they

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make about themselves in those moments who yet as a child came to the conclusion that you weren't

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perfect that there was something wrong with you yeah what voices what voices

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spoke into your life and and endorsed the idea that there was something wrong with you as a child

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my parents yeah what did they do what did they say what happened well i remember one time i came home

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uh with a test and i had had like 98 on it and my dad i wanted

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encouragement i wanted praise and instead he said uh why didn't you get a hundred

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yeah yeah totally and that can be a that can be a big blind side for a kid you know they can hit hard

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Yep, someone else who, just tell me another reason, another something that convinced you

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that you weren't perfect as a child.

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I think it's a lot of my self thoughts Benji, and that I remember you know lashing out at

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my brother or something like that because I was angry, and then thinking, that's not good, you know?

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That's not good, that's not very negative stuff, look I'm sure you were more brutal than that.

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Yeah, I don't know how to put it into words because it was kind of like, just a realisation that I, you know.

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Yep, who, now I never went through any, you know, any abuse or anything like that, anyone here been through abuse as a child?

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Yep, yep Kerry, is there anything that you would say was a particular lie, or was there something that you believed

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through that process, something you believed about yourself through that experience?

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For me? Yeah. I guess what, I guess, I guess that the projection that was projected onto me through the nuns and things like that

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made me feel not good about myself. Yeah. And so, and in some ways the projection that they projected then

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kind of backfires and you have a life like that, if you can understand. Hi Lottie, welcome.

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So what you're saying is, it became a self-fulfilling prophecy? Yes.

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Right, so what did they say about you? Basically that I was boy crazy, which probably I wasn't,

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but just that projection, and I can remember as a, when I was about six or something,

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a boy pushed me off this wall and I got gravel rash all up my leg, but then I saw him being

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strung up from the rafters, and just the, just things like that, and I can remember I was looking

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out a window, there was a funeral going on, and this nun, you know, I'm just daydreaming out there,

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not thinking anything, and just those things that they thought then got projected back on you.

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Yeah. Okay, so someone speaks alive, have you, hey Eli, good to have you with us buddy.

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Hey, how's it going? Good, my man, good, good. It's been a while. Yeah, it's good to, good to see you, but

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so they speak something over you, and you come into agreement, and then it ends up becoming a

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self-fulfilling prophecy, and it bears fruit in your life. Yes. Yeah, it happens all the time,

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it happens all the time, you know, there was a girl who lived not so far down the road from me,

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I didn't really know her, but my dad was a pastor, and he was involved in things in the area, and

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you know, her parents raised her calling her a pig, and they raised her outside, and you know what,

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she thought she was a pig. She started, you know, acting like a pig, living like a pig,

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why? Because everyone told her she was a pig, you know, all the people in their life told her she

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was a pig, and treated her like a pig. What do you think? What do you think's going to happen?

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It's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it's empowered, right, the power of it comes

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from our agreement with them, and our agreements can happen, they don't, your agreements don't

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necessarily happen, and actually, majority of the time, they don't happen at a conscious level.

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You don't sit down to yourself, you know, with yourself and go, you know what, I mean, sometimes

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you do, sometimes you make an inner vow, and you go, right, from this day forth, wow, or sometimes

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it's not even an inner vow, sometimes you just make a vow, but the majority of the time, the

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agreements that we come to, they're actually really deep, subconscious and unconscious

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agreements, and this is why the renewing of the mind is so critical, and why it has to go real,

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real, real deep, is because our agreements are so deep that you don't get to the place where you

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uproot your agreements, you know, you don't get to that place of uprooting those agreements just

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casually. You've got to think about it like really hard ground, in a sense. Now, hard

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ground can get softened really quickly. Absolutely. That's what supernatural encounters are so

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good at doing, because a supernatural encounter will take you from where you are to where

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you never imagined to be in a split second. Who's experienced a supernatural encounter

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with God, where maybe in some way, just in some way, the power of God made his love effective

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and the power of God brought home to you a truth that you hadn't been in agreement with

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before that moment. Yeah, for sure, right? The power of God, the love of God, supernatural

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encounters have this phenomenal ability to go real deep, real fast and penetrate the subconscious

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and unconscious mind. That's one of the beautiful things about praying in the spirit,

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about fasting, about spiritual disciplines, about reading the word. It's like rain on the hard ground

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of your subconscious and unconscious mind, and the rain just slowly softens it, softens it,

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softens it, softens it, so that the deep, deep agreements and lies that are in the core of our being,

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those agreements can actually just slowly start to be lifted out. So for me,

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yeah, it wasn't until I was 18 that God started, you know, God dealt with me on my

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agreements around my secrets, and actually it was longer that he dealt, you know, it actually

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took a lot longer for me to deal with the agreements, because what's terrible for Christians,

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right? What's terrible for Christians is we have these negative experiences, traumas, we don't need

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anyone to help us with our conclusion that we're not good enough, right? You don't need anyone

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to help you with that. You're going to come to that conclusion by yourself. If you don't

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come to that conclusion by yourself, it's an absolute like one in a million miracle, if you

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don't manage to come to the conclusion that you're not good enough all by yourself, right? The problem

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is, as kids, especially Christian kids, we come to the conclusion that we're not good enough, and not

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just Christian kids, everyone comes to that conclusion, but the problem with Christian kids

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is they come to the conclusion that they're not good enough, and then they go to Sunday school,

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and they hear that the word of God is that they're absolutely not good enough. You know, you

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thought you weren't good enough, let me tell you how bad you really are, you know, like you've got a sinful

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nature. What? What does that mean? Oh, you want to know what that means? It means you're corrupt to the very

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core. What? Yeah, there's something intrinsically wrong with you, and that's what it means to be human.

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Oh, gosh, right, wow, gosh, yes, well, I guess I did need a few more reasons to hate myself,

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well, that's taken care of now. Great, see you next Sunday. So,

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well, so we're wrestling with these two questions today, and we might just focus on the one,

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the two are connected, but the two questions that we're wrestling with is, what in you, you know,

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why do you believe? Is there anything in you that believes that you aren't perfect? And then,

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is there anything in you that believes that you aren't seamlessly one with God all the time? Okay,

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so those are the two questions we're wrestling with, and they go hand in hand, okay, because,

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like I said before, is if you believe that there's something wrong with you, you become

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the source of your own separation. So we'll focus in on that question for today, and we'll look at

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seamless oneness, and we'll look at that question of separation next week, but

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here's an interesting way to, did anyone see that post that I put up yesterday,

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last night in the master class, how did you meet Jesus? You know, how old were you when you met

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Jesus? And it's interesting how many people met Jesus without someone sharing the gospel with

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them, and it's interesting how many people said, I just always knew God. I don't know how, but I

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just always knew God, isn't it? I mean, there's been hundreds of people reply to that post,

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hundreds, and crikey, it took me over an hour reading just some of them this morning. I was

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like, holy moly, this is amazing. It's like reading a whole book. It's like reading the book of Acts.

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Bible for this morning, just reading like all of these miracles and encounters.

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because, you know, like Paul, you know, how Paul gave his life to Jesus

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is Jesus just turned up and knocked him off his horse, didn't even say anything.

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That's interesting, isn't it?

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That's an interesting way of preaching the gospel.

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Now, let me ask you, did it produce like did it actually get Paul free?

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Did it get Paul free?

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OK, it got Paul free, but nothing was really said.

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Here's what we have to understand, what we have to really, really grapple with.

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And this is something where religion is so confusing.

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Christians are so confused with this.

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And, you know, I'll say something like this and they'll think I'm a total heretic

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because, you know, the cross, the cross in itself,

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like just the cross, it doesn't set anyone free.

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Jesus never said the cross would set people free, you know.

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And let me let me contextualize that with this.

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How many people in the world still aren't free?

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Billions. Yeah, billions, right.

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So billions of people, despite the cross, has happened.

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Billions of people still aren't free. Yeah. Yeah.

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This is something that I think that Christians do not do very well

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with their theology or psychology is actually

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try and actually test it in the real world.

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They actually actually test it out and just see if it actually makes sense,

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as opposed to this is what we got told in church.

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Well, let's actually just look at that and see if it actually makes sense

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and if it actually works in the real world.

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And just see if your theology can handle the test of reality.

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You know, whereas your theology just crumbles in the face of reality.

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So Paul, for example, he's wandering along and and Jesus just turns up

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and he gets knocked off his horse and all of a sudden starts experiencing radical freedom.

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Was it? Did anyone get? Did he?

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But nothing was said.

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Except I am Jesus, the one who you're persecuting.

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That's what he needed. He needed truth to set him free.

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And truth can come in lots of different ways.

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Truth doesn't even need to be spoken.

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Jesus is the truth.

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Just his presence will start setting you free like you never imagined.

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It can happen through osmosis as just, you know,

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you're in the presence of God and by osmosis, you start receiving revelation.

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because you received it at a deep spirit level.

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and your conscious mind is not even aware of it.

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What's happening? Jesus is working at it.

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you know, unconscious and subconscious level,

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actually bringing freedom into the core of your being.

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This freedom is just bubbling up.

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So let me connect this with our question here about freedom.

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About imperfection.

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This whole journey is about truth.

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It's about lies.

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So who here believes that they're not 100% perfect?

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Who here believes that they're not as perfect as God is?

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So anyway, put your hands up if you believe you're not as perfect as God is.

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Okay, Raelyn's straight into it.

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Okay, and here's one reason why you don't.

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I have to stress this over and over again

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because if you don't get this one point here, you'll never get free.

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You'll never be able to step into your identity

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because you'll always define your own identity based on your experiences

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rather than based on who God says you are.

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And the problem is that at a very, very deep level,

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we have fused the idea that our behavior in some way reflects our identity.

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And there's lots of reasons why we would think that.

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You know, we've been to church or we've hung out in our own mind,

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which tells us that a lot over and over and over again.

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We've hung out with other people who've told us that we're not enough,

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who've endorsed the concept of our own inadequacy.

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It's all these reasons and all these ideas that we get

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that endorse the idea that we're not perfect, okay?

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And because we have fused the concept that our performance, what other people say, our

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life experience has some bearing on our identity, we come into agreement at a very, very deep

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level in our own heart that we are not as perfect as God is.

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But that is exactly what it means to be made in the image of God.

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To be made in the image of God means He made you as perfect as He is.

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To be the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus means that you are as perfect as He is.

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But the lie that you have to break and the idea that you have to break is this fusion,

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and it's a fusion that people have, but God doesn't have this problem.

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That's why God's so happy to say, I made you in my image, and He never retracts that even

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when we're in our darkness, right?

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So even when you're, someone tell me something really sinful and wicked that they've done.

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Come on, Lottie, I bet you've got something real naughty, something terrible that you've

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done.

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I dare you to go deep for us for a moment, otherwise I'm going to have to ask Jackie

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because she's got tons, she's got a whole diary full of naughty things she's done.

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Say Jackie, Lottie, go on, save her.

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Can't think of anything bad you've ever done?

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Not one thing?

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Not that I want to share.

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00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:35.920
Not that you want to share, that's all right.

435
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:42.360
Jackie, can we come to you and see if you can tell us one thing, one wicked thing that

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you've done?

437
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Are you talking to me?

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Definitely talking to you, Jackie.

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Okay.

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Waiting in a shop when I was a child in the country, living in the country, and nobody

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would come to serve me, and there was some chewing gum in front of me, and I stole a

442
00:47:04.120 --> 00:47:07.760
packet of Juicy Fruit chewing gum, which was one of those four-pallet packs, you wouldn't

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know about it, Benji, you were too young.

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And I kept that for three weeks before I snuck into the shop and returned it to the packet

445
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because I was terrified somebody would have seen me.

446
00:47:18.520 --> 00:47:20.520
That's about one worse thing I did.

447
00:47:20.520 --> 00:47:22.520
Okay, well that's something terrible.

448
00:47:22.520 --> 00:47:24.520
That's hilarious.

449
00:47:24.520 --> 00:47:26.520
I can't believe it.

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How did you get into this school?

451
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Terrible.

452
00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:34.520
No, nothing changes.

453
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It's a long term.

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So here's the thing, is that we somehow have used the idea, hey Andrew, good to see you,

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hey Rhys, we've somehow used the idea that in our darkest moments, that those dark moments

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somehow are a reflection of our identity, and for God that's never the case.

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Right?

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It's never, never, never the case.

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So if we want to be able to break free from this, we have to break the weld with the idea

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that our behavior, our performance, our life experience has anything to do with our identity

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at all.

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And you have to break the idea that your good behavior has something to do with your identity

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as well.

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Your good behavior is not a reflection of your identity.

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Right?

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And your bad behavior is not a reflection of your identity.

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You couldn't change your identity if you tried.

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You never had anything to do with your identity.

469
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Right?

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That was not something that you ever did.

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That was sovereignly done by God before you were even born.

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So this is what, you have to understand that your identity was set in stone before the

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foundation of the world.

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Two beautiful places to understand that is that Genesis 1.

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Genesis 1 is a great place to start with this.

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Just meeting a couple of people because there's some weird sound in the background.

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We have to understand that right from the very beginning, God made humanity in his image

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and that was never retracted.

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Okay?

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Most of the gospel is actually in Genesis.

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Genesis 1 has actually got most of it.

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I just see Raylan saying in the comments, she said, totally.

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I am a good girl.

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So if I'm not good, then I'm not perfect.

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Know that he sees me as perfect, but I don't.

486
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Yeah.

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That's a real issue.

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That's not going to...

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David Riddell has a good quote.

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He said, where will you go if your mind is not your friend?

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When will you go if your mind is not your friend?

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So Genesis 1 talks about our identity being set in place, you know, before we were born.

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Who was born here before Genesis 1?

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Anyone?

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No, no one here was born before Genesis 1, but you were made in the image of God.

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The next place that we see this, and I've said this over and over, in this verse here, John 17, verse 22 is probably the perfect verse for the question we're talking about, because Jesus has, in this verse, Jesus welds identity and intimacy together.

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John 17, 22, he said, I have given them the same glory, and that word you can take to mean identity as well, it's the Greek word doxa, substance, worth, value, you could say identity, I've given them the same identity, the same glory, the same

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doxa that the Father gave me.

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The first thing he's doing is he's speaking in the past about your identity, and he did something beautiful here that made it impossible for religion to steal your identity by making it a past tense statement about a future people.

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And he also made it very, very clear which glory he gave you, right?

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So everything has a glory, or the Greek word is doxa, and everything has a doxa, the tree has the doxa of a tree, now a dog has the doxa of a dog, a chair has the doxa of a chair, but what doxa do you have, and when did you get it?

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Jesus made it really clear that the doxa that you have is the same doxa that the Father gave him, the same identity that the Father gave Jesus, he has given to you, when? Before you were even born.

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So let me ask you this, what did you have to do with it?

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Nothing.

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You never had anything to do with your identity, and you still don't, right?

506
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.320
You don't have anything to do with your identity.

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00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:17.000
It's by the grace of God that you are who you are, right?

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You don't have anything to do with your oneness with God either.

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00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.760
In Corinthians 4, it's of God that we are in him.

510
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It's not your work, it's not my work, and it's by grace so that we can't boast.

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It's beautiful that it's by grace, because otherwise we would start turning it into performance, right?

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And so the problem with performance is, if you're doing good, you're doing good, but if you're not doing good, oh man, it's a bad day.

513
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:50.520
It's a bad, bad day.

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00:52:50.520 --> 00:52:53.880
Religion has some dark, dark days to it.

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I've had so many dark days because of religion, and even as a pastor, and even as a evangelist,

516
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and even as someone leading a ministry training school.

517
00:53:03.720 --> 00:53:13.720
I had so many dark days, dark religious days, until I understood how to break the fusion between identity and performance.

518
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:19.320
How to break the fusion between identity and what other people said about me.

519
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:24.760
How to break the fusion between identity and my life experiences.

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00:53:25.640 --> 00:53:32.120
And the key is understanding that you were made in the image of God before the foundation of the world.

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Now, let's talk about some of the religious hooks, the things that break, like the things that endorse our inadequacy.

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Because everyone's into the sinful nature, right?

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00:53:41.560 --> 00:53:45.640
If you've got up in church, it's like, oh, what about my sinful nature?

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Yep, who thinks that that's a stumbling block right now?

525
00:53:50.200 --> 00:53:52.360
Jennifer, I know that's one of your questions, right?

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00:53:55.080 --> 00:54:04.840
So, Romans 7 was one of your challenges, and people always get this going on with Romans 7, right?

527
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So, Romans 7, first thing that we want to do in terms of contextualize this,

528
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first thing that we want to do to contextualize this is, we want to ask ourselves a question here.

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Who now thinks that Paul is trying to convince us that Jesus was lying?

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00:54:27.080 --> 00:54:30.520
Who would think that that was Paul's goal here?

531
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To convince us that Jesus was lying about giving us our identity before we were born?

532
00:54:37.160 --> 00:54:38.680
Probably not true, right?

533
00:54:38.680 --> 00:54:40.920
Probably not what Paul's trying to do.

534
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:43.960
Who here thinks that Paul is now trying to convince us

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00:54:44.520 --> 00:54:48.200
that what God said in Genesis 1 was never true about us?

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00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:52.200
Probably not what he's trying to accomplish, right?

537
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.960
Now, so you have to realize, you know, if you've done the Open Heaven Intensive,

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you'll realize that we've had centuries...

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of really bad theology and some of the people who were some of the dodgiest

540
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:12.680
theologians were, guess what? The translators! And a lot of them were major

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orphans. A lot of them had, they were corrupt people. A lot of them had

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00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.200
seriously, you wouldn't, they wouldn't be allowed to be a minister of church. Now,

543
00:55:20.200 --> 00:55:26.080
no way! You'd be like, oh sorry bud, you're like, you don't even pass the police check.

544
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So, that's the first thing, you know, like, it's good to read the Bible, but, you know, I

545
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:38.280
don't actually trust a Bible, you know, if I look at something, I'll read it, then I'll

546
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probably read it in, like, 20 different translations.

547
00:55:42.560 --> 00:55:49.440
20 translations, if we go real deep, we'll go, like, 30 different translations. And that's easy to do, it's not difficult, you just go into Bible Hub.

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Just go to Bible Hub, put your verse in there, boom, 30 or more translations pop up and

549
00:55:54.120 --> 00:55:57.600
you can just go, okay, right, let's read it in 30 different translations. And you know what?

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Sometimes you read in 30 translations and you go, this, like, this still doesn't

551
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:07.920
even align with the gospel message, because some of this stuff is just

552
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.800
twisted. If you go real deep, sometimes you'll find that some of the things that

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00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:15.040
people are translating that don't sound right, it's because they're not in the

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actual original text. And they were added in, you know, 500 years ago, just added in

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because it made it, it actually endorsed their particular idea of Scripture. So,

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Scripture is beautiful, but the translations that we have in our hands,

557
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:33.400
we have to dig real deep on them, okay? Especially if something seems to be

558
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:40.360
contradicting the truth that we already know. So, okay, right, let's go deep on it.

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00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:48.000
So, Romans 7, verse 7, what shall we say then? Is the law sinful?

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Certainly not. Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin is, had it not been

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for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was, if the law had

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not said, you shall not covet. But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the

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commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was

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dead. Once I was alive, apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin sprang

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to life, and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to

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bring me life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by

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the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So, then, the

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law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good. Did that which is good

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then become death to me? By no means. Nevertheless, in order that sin might be

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recognized as sin, that you used what is good to bring about my death, so that

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through the commandment, sin might become utterly sinful. So, we have to understand

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as well what sin is, okay? So, I'm not saying that we can't sin, I'm just saying

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that, and you talked about, you know, Jesus speaking to people as sinners, and

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that's fine, right? When Jesus is going to speak to someone about sinners, what we

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00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:07.400
have to understand is that he's not making identity statements about

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00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:11.440
them, he's making behavioral statements about them, and there's nothing wrong with

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00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:15.160
admitting, oh my gosh, I've got some terrible sin happening in my life, okay?

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00:58:15.160 --> 00:58:19.560
I've got some really, you know, like, I've been doing some bad stuff. There's nothing

579
00:58:19.560 --> 00:58:24.440
wrong with saying that, but there is a problem with taking your identity from

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00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:30.080
it, because what will happen if you take your identity from your failures and from your

581
00:58:30.080 --> 00:58:34.800
negative behaviors and your negative emotions, if you take identity from that,

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00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:39.240
it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy, just like if someone else comes and starts

583
00:58:39.240 --> 00:58:41.640
calling you, like that little girl that was raised as a pig, she'll start

584
00:58:41.640 --> 00:58:49.120
believing you, and you'll start having major psychological issues, in the sense

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00:58:49.120 --> 00:58:51.760
that, you know, if you believe that you're not perfect, you've got a major

586
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:58.680
psychological issue, and it's going to have major ramifications. So, the first thing we

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00:58:58.680 --> 00:59:05.720
want to do is identify what sin is, right? Sin is Romans 3.23, for all have sinned and

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00:59:05.720 --> 00:59:10.360
fallen short of the glory of God, with the Greek word there, like you've heard me

589
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:15.560
say before, mostly, is the Greek word there is the word doxa, okay? For all have

590
00:59:15.560 --> 00:59:21.480
sinned and fallen short of the doxa, and sin is an archery term, first of all, okay?

591
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.320
So, when you're actually going around calling people sinners, you're actually

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00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:29.760
calling them, well, it's an archery term that means to miss the mark, okay? So, in each

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00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:35.160
language that you read, it means the same thing, it means to miss the mark, but you

594
00:59:35.160 --> 00:59:41.040
can't, the thing is, you can't be lost if you didn't first belong, right? So, you

595
00:59:41.040 --> 00:59:46.680
can't miss the mark, you can't live outside of your identity, if something, if

596
00:59:46.680 --> 00:59:51.680
it isn't already your identity, okay? You can't miss the mark of living outside, so

597
00:59:51.680 --> 00:59:56.560
what it means to sin, to miss the mark, first of all, glory, to all have sinned and

598
00:59:56.560 --> 01:00:01.840
fallen short of the glory, the glory is what? What Jesus described already.

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01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.400
in John 17 22 Paul uses the exact same word that Jesus used to describe your identity and he said

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01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:11.920
this is who we are this is our identity when all have sinned and lived outside of their identity

601
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:16.720
so basically what sin is sin is any time you live outside of your own identity and what's

602
01:00:16.720 --> 01:00:24.400
your identity the glory of God anytime you live outside of the glory of God that's sin all right

603
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:29.440
so there's a lot of missing the mark going on but the more you take your identity from the

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01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:35.760
times that you miss the mark the more that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy and the more

605
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:45.840
you'll miss the mark so renewing your mind you actually have to like renew not just your

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01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:51.440
individual thoughts but you have to actually renew the whole mindset the whole psychological process

607
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:58.880
of how you process information right if you're in your darkest hour if you're you know like

608
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:06.160
Jackie's hideous terrible despicable act that she described us earlier which I can't even repeat

609
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:13.200
so much darkness you know if you were living in that level of depravity

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01:01:14.640 --> 01:01:19.440
the worst thing that you could do right is then take your identity from it

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01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:27.680
um someone brought up the concept of masturbation earlier right master and and always a good topic

612
01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:33.600
to bring up with Christians um I've done lots and lots of uh revival schools and training schools

613
01:01:33.600 --> 01:01:37.280
and things like that and there's always a good contingent of young people so we always have

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01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:42.880
sex talks in the schools so it's really funny because we always have a big Q&A comes it's

615
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.760
good good entertainment but they always bring up conversation and masturbation always comes up

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01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:52.160
nearly every training school I do so it's good entertainment but here's the thing is when you

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know when young people are asking about that or anyone's asking about that I'm like well the worst

618
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thing is actually not the act right it's if you take identity from it afterwards and and that and

619
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you actually take identity from it so regardless of whatever your action is the action is one thing

620
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but if the devil can get you to then take identity from your failure or from an act

621
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:26.960
then it's even worse right and um and I'm not I'm not making any judgment calls on whether

622
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:31.120
masturbation is good or bad anyway like I said earlier we can have that conversation another time

623
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it'll be entertaining but um all I'm saying is anytime you feel like you've failed

624
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anytime you feel like that it the worst thing you could possibly do is take your identity from it

625
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then and take a sense of worth or value or determine you know like and analyze that and

626
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go okay yeah this this means that I'm really not good enough this is evidence of my own

627
01:02:54.480 --> 01:03:02.400
imperfection okay so let's keep reading um uh

628
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uh

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which but okay so we verse 14 we know that the law is spiritual but I am unspiritual sold as a

630
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slave to sin I do not understand what I do for what I do for what I want to do I do not do but

631
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:30.560
what I hate I do there you go that's what we were talking about and if I do what I do not want to do

632
01:03:30.560 --> 01:03:38.240
I agree that the law is good it's almost like reading a Dr. Seuss book um and it is as it is

633
01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:44.960
it is no longer I myself who do it but it is sin living in me for I know that the good itself

634
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does not dwell in me that is in my sinful nature

635
01:03:49.840 --> 01:04:02.000
uh or my flesh um for I have the desire to do what is good but I cannot carry it out

636
01:04:02.560 --> 01:04:08.800
for I do not do the good I want to do but the evil I do not want to do this I keep on doing

637
01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:17.760
now if I do what I do not want to do it is no longer I who do it but it is sin living in me

638
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that does it so I find this law at work although I want to do good evil is right there with me

639
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:28.560
for in my inner being I delight in God's law but I see another law at work in me waging war against

640
01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:35.920
the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me what a oh what

641
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:43.680
a wretched man I am who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death thanks be to God

642
01:04:43.680 --> 01:04:49.360
who delivers me through Christ Jesus our Lord so then I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law

643
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but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin oh there you go well that's very interesting is it

644
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so if you

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If you want, and this is where most people have taken their perspective on the sinful nature,

646
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that everyone's got a sinful nature, you were born with a sinful nature, this is who you are.

647
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But then Romans 8, therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

648
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because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from

649
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the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerful to do because it was weakened by the

650
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flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering,

651
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and so he condemned sin in the flesh in order that the righteous requirement of the law might

652
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be fully met in us who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

653
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So what you have to understand is all of what Romans 7 is talking about is what Paul's life

654
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used to be like in his religious roller coaster, in his religious world of the hamster wheel of

655
01:05:57.600 --> 01:06:04.160
performance, the hamster wheel of religion, and religion is a system rigged to fail.

656
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Here's the problem with Christianity, right, is that Christianity

657
01:06:10.640 --> 01:06:16.800
or religion, I would say Christianity because it's not true Christianity, I'll say religion,

658
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:21.520
here's what religion is, religion demands perfection but prophesies failure.

659
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Wow, exciting, right? Religion demands perfection but prophesies failure. Who's going to enjoy that

660
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:37.280
world? Who wants to even live in that world? It's a system rigged for success, for failure,

661
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:41.760
it's a system rigged for failure. You cannot beat the system and that's what

662
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Romans 7 was all about because that's all Paul knew beforehand is a system where it demanded

663
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perfection but prophesied failure because it's like, oh no, you're a sinner. I was at a Christian

664
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event and they were trying to, you know, it was actually a marriage retreat and they were talking

665
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about stuff, they were talking about identity, right, and I was like identity is my thing and

666
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so they're talking about identity so I'm relaxed and they're like, all right, so we're all sinners,

667
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and making it, so there's one thing to say, you know, I sin as a behavioral statement,

668
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:19.840
there's another, it's a totally different thing to say as an identity statement. So never, ever,

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ever agree with someone or come into agreement or make an identity statement about yourself that

670
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anything less than the fullness of the perfection of God, right, because if you agree with it,

671
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it'll become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now even if you don't agree with it, it's going to take a

672
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good chunk of time to break the deep agreements within yourself so they actually stop, you know,

673
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stop the momentum of all those agreements of a lifetime of agreements. Does that make any sense?

674
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But these people were like, so you're a sinner, right, and they specifically looked at me and

675
01:07:54.560 --> 01:07:58.640
they're like, you're a sinner, right, and I was like, no, in front of everyone, they're like,

676
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and I was like, no, you're not putting that on me at all, and I will, I'm very happy,

677
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like, it doesn't matter what context, if someone tries to put a false identity on me,

678
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I wore false identities for so long that I'm like, I'm not going to wear that to please anybody,

679
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and the problem is that all the sinful nature is, is a false identity,

680
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right, so what is the sinful nature? The sinful nature is believing you have a sinful nature.

681
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The sinful nature is the lies about your identity that fill the void

682
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in the absence of the conviction that you're already perfect.

683
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So when we, when Paul talks about, you know, I put, I die daily, or we put to death the sinful

684
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nature, we put, you know, we put the flesh to death, all he's talking about is, he's talking

685
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about, okay, we put, every time there's a lie that comes up that speaks about our identity,

686
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we put those lies to death by declaring the truth that we are the righteousness of God and

687
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Christ Jesus. Do you think that Paul's making an identity statement about your identity when he

688
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says, what a wretched man I am? Is he trying to make an identity statement right there?

689
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Well, I'll tell you what, there's been countless preachers who've turned that into an identity

690
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:39.520
statement, and realistically he was talking about what life used to be like when he didn't understand

691
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:46.399
his identity, and the very next few verses talk about how now he's totally free from that world.

692
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It's, it's about the past life he lived when he was bound by religion and lived in that nasty

693
01:09:54.080 --> 01:09:58.240
world of religion where religion demands perfection and prophesized failure. What

694
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terrible place that's going to be.

695
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And if you look at the context as well, Romans 7 is sandwiched between Romans 6 and Romans 8.

696
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Now Romans 8 is just so crazy glorious. Romans 8, you know, talks about the unveiling of the

697
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sons of God, more than conquerors, we were pre-designed. This is so good. Romans 8 29,

698
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for those God for you, he also pre-destined to be conformed to the image of his son.

699
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What does the process of being conformed to the image of his son look like? The process of being

700
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conformed to the image of his son is not like becoming someone you aren't, it's becoming who

701
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:53.680
you already are. This whole journey of repentance is the process of becoming who you already are.

702
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It's about stripping away the lies that have veiled the truth about who you are. And if we

703
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look at Romans 8 19, for the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be

704
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revealed, the sons of God to be revealed. It doesn't say creation waits for the sons of God

705
01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:21.760
to be created or to exist, right? So if something has to be revealed or uncovered,

706
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.560
it means that there's something over it. It doesn't mean that they're not there,

707
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:30.880
it just means there's something veiling it, there's something hiding it. So what is it that's

708
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.520
hiding the sons of God, that all creation is longing for the sons of God to be revealed?

709
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:41.200
What is it? It's just the lies that blind us to the present reality of who we already are.

710
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:45.680
That's what all creation is longing for, you to wake up to the present reality that you're

711
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:51.600
already as perfect as God is. Because what do you think is going to start happening in your life

712
01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:58.640
when you start believing that? What do you think is going to start happening in your own life when

713
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:05.520
you start believing that you're exclusively defined by the trinity? When nothing, no experience you go

714
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:09.600
through, nothing that anyone says, nothing that you go through could ever show you that you're

715
01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:15.680
fully persuaded that you're as perfect as God is. How do you think you're going to feel in your own

716
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:30.960
skin? Okay, so recess. So it's like our nature is simple, but at heart we are perfect. No,

717
01:12:32.480 --> 01:12:37.280
our mind, that's a good question. So it's like our nature is simple,

718
01:12:38.080 --> 01:12:48.400
but at heart we're perfect. No, let me say it another way. You're just perfect.

719
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:59.680
You're perfect, right? You're 100% perfect. The nature, the path that corrupts, right,

720
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:05.440
is in your mind. And it's only corrupt because it believes it's not perfect.

721
01:13:08.160 --> 01:13:12.320
Does that make sense? It's only corrupt because it believes that you're not perfect.

722
01:13:14.480 --> 01:13:18.080
That's where the corruption comes in. That's where the defiled mind comes in.

723
01:13:18.080 --> 01:13:23.360
The defiled mind comes in believing that you're not perfect or that you're perfect because of

724
01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:28.560
your own, like you did something, your own righteousness made you perfect.

725
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:35.600
Now, I'm not talking about self-righteousness, that you made yourself perfect. I'm not talking

726
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:41.200
about that at all. I'm talking about by the grace of God, what God has done and what God alone has

727
01:13:41.200 --> 01:13:48.800
done can do is God made you in his image and you had nothing to do with that. It is entirely by

728
01:13:48.800 --> 01:14:10.880
the grace of God that you are who you are. Sin is the fruit or the evidence that we don't believe

729
01:14:11.120 --> 01:14:25.360
that we are who God says we are. Sin is the evidence that we aren't persuaded we are who God says we are.

730
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:32.400
So, Reese, so sin comes from our mind? Sin comes from lies, Reese. That's where sin comes from. Sin

731
01:14:32.400 --> 01:14:39.360
comes from lies. If you're wondering where sin comes from, sin always comes from lies and better

732
01:14:39.440 --> 01:14:47.040
lies and truth. Lies and truth live in our mind, but they don't come from our mind. Jesus is the

733
01:14:47.040 --> 01:14:55.120
truth and John 8, Jesus says, you know, the truth will set you free. He also says that Satan is a liar and the father of lies.

734
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:59.760
So, sin is the result of believing a lie.

735
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:09.000
and freedom is the result of believing the truth. The divine life is the result of breathing, believing the truth.

736
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:18.000
I hope this is tracking for people. Let's look at Romans 6 again.

737
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Before we do that, let me talk about something. This is another part of context that Christian theology neglects in a really, really bad way.

738
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Most theology doesn't take the Old Testament into context.

739
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They forget about the Old Testament, about how people could have freedom in the Old Testament.

740
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Does anyone believe that there were wicked people in the Old Testament? There were some really bad people.

741
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:10.000
Put your hand up if you agree there were some really bad people in the Old Testament.

742
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.000
Yeah, okay, there were some really bad people in the Old Testament. We know that.

743
01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:18.000
Goliath, what a bad guy. What a bad guy.

744
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:21.000
Do the uncircumcised Philistine.

745
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:27.000
But does anyone understand that there were some people who walked in righteousness in the Old Testament?

746
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:37.000
Does anyone understand that in the Old Testament, they were also promised salvation an untold number of times?

747
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:48.000
God promised to save them in the Old Testament and just countless times God promised to save the people in the Old Testament.

748
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And he promised them something in the Old Testament. He promised them salvation in the Old Testament as well.

749
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So this is a really big deal because people talk like until Jesus came, that it wasn't until Jesus came that reality didn't apply until Jesus came.

750
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People talk like you couldn't have intimacy with God before Jesus came.

751
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:23.000
Or people talk like there weren't righteous people and wicked people before Jesus came.

752
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:29.000
But that's not the truth. In the Old Testament, God constantly promised them shalom.

753
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:37.000
Shalom, which is the Hebrew word, doesn't just mean peace. It means everything functioning according to divine design.

754
01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:42.000
It's the same promise as what Jesus promised in the New Testament when he promised them the divine life.

755
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:47.000
That's what sozo is, the divine life. Or shalom is the divine life.

756
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So the divine life was a huge theme in the Old Testament, promised and prophesied over and over and over and over again.

757
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And many people walked righteous lives and many people walked in shalom and many people walked in extreme intimacy with God in the Old Testament.

758
01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:18.000
But it seems like New Testament theology just comes waltzing along when Jesus turns up and it's only at the cross that all of a sudden people can get free or people can get forgiven.

759
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:22.000
It's actually not the case. God forgave people in the Old Testament all the time.

760
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:30.000
The whole Old Testament is just full of God forgiving people. It's full of people walking in righteousness.

761
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:36.000
It's full of people walking in shalom. It's full of people walking in amazing, amazing intimacy with God.

762
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:46.000
And the point always is, do you believe the truth that you were made in the image of God or do you believe a lie about your identity?

763
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These are the things that have been the things forever, not just after the cross.

764
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These were always the things for humanity that we walked in.

765
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So it might sound revolutionary to you, but it wouldn't sound revolutionary to anyone in Israel.

766
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But people could get free before the cross. People could walk in righteousness before the cross.

767
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:20.000
God could forgive effortlessly and freely before the cross.

768
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:27.000
Even Jesus is saying to people all the way before the cross is like, your sins are forgiven.

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Your sins are forgiven. They didn't have a problem.

770
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:34.000
The Pharisees didn't have a problem with the concept of the sins being forgiven.

771
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:42.000
They just had a problem with this 33-year-old punk builder walking around telling everyone their sins are forgiven.

772
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:48.000
He's like, who the heck are you? You can't go around. What is this guy doing? Who do you think you are?

773
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So they had a problem with Jesus, not with the concept that sins could be forgiven, because sins were forgiven all the time.

774
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So what I'm trying to say is...

775
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:05.520
bring up is this concept of the sinful nature that you've always had a simple nature and it was only

776
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:12.320
at the cross that the simple nature could be dealt with okay not so all right not so

777
01:20:13.200 --> 01:20:19.120
not so not so not so but we have to understand about the cross is that the cross

778
01:20:22.240 --> 01:20:26.400
the cross is a medium to communicate something more powerful than the cross

779
01:20:26.400 --> 01:20:33.360
there is something more powerful than the cross that the cross is trying to communicate

780
01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:40.000
there is something more powerful than the blood that the blood is trying to communicate

781
01:20:42.160 --> 01:20:46.960
and we go to john 8 32 to understand this and jesus never said that the blood would set you

782
01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:54.080
free jesus never said that the cross would set you free and this is where we have to be really

783
01:20:54.080 --> 01:21:00.240
careful with our theology is because people go oh yeah um you know it's the blood the blood that

784
01:21:00.240 --> 01:21:05.360
will set you free it's the cross that will set you free how many people do you know and this

785
01:21:05.360 --> 01:21:08.960
post that i put out last night which has had hundreds and hundreds of people sharing their

786
01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:15.600
testimony of how they meet god how they meet jesus um there's just one one small layer of

787
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:21.280
evidence to the fact that people can meet jesus without knowing anything about the cross right

788
01:21:21.280 --> 01:21:28.400
jesus just turns up in people's rooms all the time 50 of the muslims getting saved right now

789
01:21:28.400 --> 01:21:32.880
there's a radical outpouring of muslims getting saved and 50 of them that are getting saved get

790
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:38.960
saved either because jesus physically turned up in their room in a country where it's illegal to

791
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:47.040
be a christian or he turned up to them in a dream or in a vision and it's not he doesn't have to

792
01:21:47.040 --> 01:21:51.280
preach the gospel to them right he doesn't have to he doesn't have to tell them anything about

793
01:21:51.280 --> 01:21:55.600
the cross he doesn't have to tell them he can if he wants to but he doesn't have to because there's

794
01:21:55.600 --> 01:22:01.120
something more powerful than the cross that the cross is trying to communicate there's something

795
01:22:01.120 --> 01:22:05.520
more powerful than the blood that the blood is trying to communicate and that is jesus

796
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:11.760
and jesus said in john 8 32 you will know the truth and the truth will set you free

797
01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:20.240
and this truth has been powerful for all time and will be powerful for all time and

798
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and so jesus said in john 14 6 i am the way the truth and the life so what you need to get free

799
01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:32.880
is the truth and you don't need to know about the cross to get free you don't need to know about the

800
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:37.280
blood to get free i can sit down with someone and you know if they're bound up we can have a

801
01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:42.480
conversation i can walk them into freedom without ever mentioning the cross or ever mentioning the

802
01:22:42.480 --> 01:22:50.240
blood i can just talk to them about jesus why because the truth will set people free i'm not

803
01:22:50.240 --> 01:22:54.640
trying to diminish the cross i'm not trying to diminish the blood at all i'm just trying to put

804
01:22:54.640 --> 01:23:03.040
it in context of history and in context of of jesus himself jesus is the one that sets us free

805
01:23:03.040 --> 01:23:07.520
truth is the thing that sets us free truth isn't just a doctrine truth is a person

806
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:17.360
truth is a person in him his presence he will be he's the one that will set us free um so

807
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uh so when we look when we look at the

808
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when we look at the cross okay because everyone seems to think this is this is why i was creating

809
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:33.440
some context around this because everyone seems to think like it's only at the cross that people

810
01:23:33.440 --> 01:23:38.800
could escape the sinful nature but if you think like that you're forgetting

811
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:44.960
4 000 years of history that's just unfolded where people could walk righteously with god

812
01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:55.200
here's here's what gets outrageously different at the cross okay in the old testament you had

813
01:23:55.200 --> 01:23:59.280
some people that walked righteously but not that many okay so

814
01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:05.840
there was the truth could set people free in the old testament just not that many people

815
01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:12.000
had access to the truth okay this is a real big deal lots of people walked in extreme intimacy

816
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:16.480
with god in the old testament with more intimacy than most new testament believers have ever

817
01:24:16.480 --> 01:24:23.040
imagined possible now who can imagine you know that this moment that happened with uh

818
01:24:23.040 --> 01:24:31.040
moses nadab and abihu and aaron and 70 elders of israel in exodus it says that they were sucked up

819
01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:36.880
into heaven and they ate a covenant meal with god on the sea of glass before the throne of god

820
01:24:38.320 --> 01:24:43.200
you know over 70 people all got taken to heaven corporately together to have a covenant meal with

821
01:24:43.200 --> 01:24:52.800
god in heaven that's a big deal okay so that so we had lots of people in the old testament

822
01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:57.600
having those experiences but as a percentage of humanity as a percentage of the people in the

823
01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.760
planet it wasn't that many so

824
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.480
Yes, over the context of 4,000 years of history,

825
01:25:02.480 --> 01:25:04.400
lots of people had that experience,

826
01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:06.520
but was it accessible to the average person?

827
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:07.640
Was it common knowledge?

828
01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:08.600
No, it wasn't.

829
01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:10.520
So what happens at the cross

830
01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:15.520
is the most dramatic explosion of revelation

831
01:25:16.360 --> 01:25:18.120
that the world had ever seen,

832
01:25:18.120 --> 01:25:20.000
that the world will ever see.

833
01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:21.200
And what happened at the cross

834
01:25:21.200 --> 01:25:23.680
was deeper levels of revelation

835
01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:27.840
than humanity had ever seen put on display before.

836
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:29.520
There's deeper levels of revelation

837
01:25:30.120 --> 01:25:30.960
that you're like,

838
01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.560
this is the single greatest revelation of the Father

839
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:34.880
and the revelation of identity

840
01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:37.920
that humanity has ever seen unfolding on the cross.

841
01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:41.000
And it blows it open in a spiritual round

842
01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:42.640
and it breaks open the heavens.

843
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:44.400
And after the cross,

844
01:25:44.400 --> 01:25:46.680
history changes forever after the cross

845
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:49.680
because all of a sudden this revelation that was hidden

846
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:52.560
is now put on display for the whole world.

847
01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:54.760
It breaks it open and you just start seeing

848
01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:57.440
like an open heaven break out into the world

849
01:25:57.440 --> 01:25:58.360
and just revelation,

850
01:25:58.360 --> 01:26:00.560
just freedom, it starts exploding.

851
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:02.280
Where in the Old Testament, it's a handful of people.

852
01:26:02.280 --> 01:26:05.680
Now it's hundreds of millions, billions of people

853
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:07.000
who've had access to this revelation

854
01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:10.560
because Jesus at the cross blew it open like crazy.

855
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:14.840
But what is, you know, it wasn't that,

856
01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:18.440
what the cross communicated was true before the cross.

857
01:26:19.480 --> 01:26:21.080
It was true before the foundation of the world.

858
01:26:21.080 --> 01:26:22.640
That's why revelation says the land was slain

859
01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:24.240
before the foundation of the world.

860
01:26:24.240 --> 01:26:27.960
The truth didn't all of a sudden become true at the cross.

861
01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:31.000
The truth was always the truth

862
01:26:32.120 --> 01:26:34.800
because the truth is a person, not a doctrine.

863
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:37.800
All right, and you didn't need,

864
01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:40.360
and even in the Old Testament and the New Testament,

865
01:26:40.360 --> 01:26:43.080
whenever, you didn't necessarily need the cross.

866
01:26:43.080 --> 01:26:45.040
What you needed was Jesus.

867
01:26:48.040 --> 01:26:52.480
So the point that I'm getting at,

868
01:26:52.480 --> 01:26:55.120
the point that I'm getting at is that people think

869
01:26:55.120 --> 01:26:58.280
that you actually have a sinful nature

870
01:26:58.280 --> 01:26:59.960
that the cross has to deal with.

871
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:03.200
You don't have a sinful nature

872
01:27:03.200 --> 01:27:04.800
that the cross had to deal with.

873
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.440
You believed lies that the cross had to deal with

874
01:27:08.440 --> 01:27:11.080
by communicating a truth that's greater than the cross,

875
01:27:11.080 --> 01:27:12.400
which is Jesus.

876
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:18.640
Hope this is making sense.

877
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:21.200
Benji, can I ask a question?

878
01:27:21.200 --> 01:27:23.320
Can I ask a question?

879
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.120
I'm just thinking back to the Old Testament

880
01:27:26.120 --> 01:27:30.880
where God required the sacrifice

881
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:34.600
of a shed blood, like of an animal,

882
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:37.640
for the forgiveness of the Israelites.

883
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:40.080
Not true.

884
01:27:40.080 --> 01:27:43.960
Okay, then explain to me, okay.

885
01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:44.800
Not true.

886
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:48.240
Actually, if you look at all those sacrifices

887
01:27:48.240 --> 01:27:50.040
and if you look at Hebrews,

888
01:27:50.120 --> 01:27:53.480
Hebrews says that the blood of bulls and goats

889
01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:57.120
was useless.

890
01:27:58.280 --> 01:27:59.480
It didn't achieve anything.

891
01:27:59.480 --> 01:28:01.240
It didn't achieve any forgiveness.

892
01:28:02.320 --> 01:28:04.360
So it specifically says in Hebrews,

893
01:28:04.360 --> 01:28:05.640
when they're writing about sacrifices,

894
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:09.800
the blood of bulls and goats didn't achieve any forgiveness.

895
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:11.840
And when it came to forgiveness,

896
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.120
if you look at the sacrifices,

897
01:28:13.120 --> 01:28:14.240
you could have a grain offering.

898
01:28:14.240 --> 01:28:15.600
If you couldn't afford something like that,

899
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:17.120
you could just throw some grain, right?

900
01:28:17.120 --> 01:28:19.400
So blood wasn't the issue.

901
01:28:19.400 --> 01:28:20.440
You could be forgiven.

902
01:28:20.440 --> 01:28:22.520
So if you actually want to look at it in the Old Testament,

903
01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:23.920
could you be forgiven,

904
01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:26.200
just forgiven in the Old Testament without blood?

905
01:28:26.200 --> 01:28:27.040
Yes.

906
01:28:27.040 --> 01:28:28.680
Why do we get hung up on the concept

907
01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:31.400
without the shedding of blood,

908
01:28:31.400 --> 01:28:34.480
there is no forgiveness from sin.

909
01:28:34.480 --> 01:28:36.640
Okay, people get caught up on that all the time.

910
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:39.240
It's because the Greek word for forgiveness there

911
01:28:39.240 --> 01:28:40.920
is the word a thesis,

912
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:44.040
which doesn't mean forgiveness, right?

913
01:28:45.160 --> 01:28:46.600
Forgiveness is just a small part of it.

914
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:48.400
It means freedom.

915
01:28:48.400 --> 01:28:50.200
And it doesn't just mean a little bit of freedom.

916
01:28:50.200 --> 01:28:52.400
It means freedom to fully participate

917
01:28:52.400 --> 01:28:54.960
in the fullness of the divine life.

918
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:57.240
And so why is it that there'll be no freedom

919
01:28:57.240 --> 01:28:59.840
to fully participate in the divine life?

920
01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.040
It's because when the cross,

921
01:29:02.040 --> 01:29:04.240
at the cross, what happened

922
01:29:04.240 --> 01:29:06.960
is there's a massive outpouring of revelation, okay?

923
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:09.280
So without the shedding of blood,

924
01:29:09.280 --> 01:29:10.600
there is no forgiveness of sins.

925
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:11.440
You're gonna have to put it,

926
01:29:11.440 --> 01:29:13.600
you actually have to do some math on it though, okay?

927
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.440
Because what you're trying to say

928
01:29:15.440 --> 01:29:16.720
and what Christian's trying to say is,

929
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:17.760
without the shedding of blood,

930
01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:19.800
there is no forgiveness of sins.

931
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:21.360
And then they go right in the Old Testament,

932
01:29:21.360 --> 01:29:24.480
God couldn't just forgive, rubbish, rubbish.

933
01:29:24.480 --> 01:29:27.360
Who sacrificed, you know,

934
01:29:27.360 --> 01:29:29.680
like who sacrificed on behalf of Noah?

935
01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:31.120
There was no sacrifice in Noah.

936
01:29:31.120 --> 01:29:33.680
God was like, okay, right, no, I'm done with that.

937
01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:35.520
We're moving on.

938
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:36.480
There was no sacrifice.

939
01:29:36.480 --> 01:29:38.560
There's lots of times in the Old Testament

940
01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:41.520
where God just forgave people.

941
01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:43.600
There's lots of times where Jesus

942
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.200
before the cross just forgave people.

943
01:29:46.200 --> 01:29:47.720
So we have to put it,

944
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:49.080
and like, if we're gonna go, okay, right,

945
01:29:49.080 --> 01:29:50.360
without the shedding of innocent blood,

946
01:29:50.360 --> 01:29:51.720
there's no forgiveness of sins.

947
01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:54.720
Maybe actually you can just like pause a moment

948
01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:56.000
and put that in context and go,

949
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:57.000
is that what it really means?

950
01:29:57.000 --> 01:29:59.600
Does it actually mean that God couldn't forgive?

951
01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:00.440
No.

952
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:01.800
Because if you look at the sacrifices,

953
01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:05.480
if they couldn't afford to go out and kill a cow,

954
01:30:05.480 --> 01:30:06.720
they could just chuck some grain

955
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:08.480
and then count it as their sacrifice.

956
01:30:08.480 --> 01:30:10.320
But then if you look at it in Hebrews,

957
01:30:10.320 --> 01:30:13.840
Hebrews says, oh yeah, and even if they did sacrifice

958
01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:16.640
a bull or a goat, yeah, even those didn't take away sin.

959
01:30:19.320 --> 01:30:21.160
So I hear what you're saying,

960
01:30:21.160 --> 01:30:23.040
but it is a little bit messy.

961
01:30:23.040 --> 01:30:26.680
It takes longer, it takes more time than we have to,

962
01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:28.720
takes more time than we have to just go through

963
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:31.680
and hit all those points for you.

964
01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:34.480
But every great question has a great answer.

965
01:30:34.480 --> 01:30:39.480
I will say again, though, that it's not about,

966
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:44.840
it wasn't about forgiveness for Jesus, right?

967
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:48.800
Jesus didn't come so that you could be forgiven.

968
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:50.680
And if you haven't seen it yet,

969
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:53.680
you wanna watch, because I did a whole session on this

970
01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.160
at the end of the Open Heaven intensive,

971
01:30:56.160 --> 01:30:58.840
and you really wanna watch it on the difference

972
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:01.000
between the Old Testament sacrifice

973
01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:02.960
and the New Testament sacrifice.

974
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.280
There's a whole session on it.

975
01:31:04.280 --> 01:31:05.600
So if you haven't seen it,

976
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:08.840
you really wanna go back and see that session.

977
01:31:10.080 --> 01:31:12.080
Actually, it was the last session,

978
01:31:12.080 --> 01:31:13.440
I think I did a bonus session

979
01:31:13.440 --> 01:31:16.000
to help clear this up for people.

980
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:18.160
And it's a session that you probably won't hear

981
01:31:18.160 --> 01:31:21.480
anyone else, I've never heard anyone else ever speak on it.

982
01:31:21.480 --> 01:31:23.720
And it's the whole book of Hebrews

983
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:25.520
is trying to communicate the difference

984
01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:27.160
between an Old Testament sacrifice

985
01:31:27.160 --> 01:31:28.480
and a New Testament sacrifice.

986
01:31:28.480 --> 01:31:30.760
So I'll just say, if you haven't heard that one,

987
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:31.600
go back and hear it,

988
01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:34.040
because it's really, really critical to,

989
01:31:34.040 --> 01:31:36.280
if you're wondering about sacrifices, go back,

990
01:31:36.280 --> 01:31:38.200
I just did a whole message on sacrifices

991
01:31:38.200 --> 01:31:40.440
and what's the difference between Jesus' sacrifice

992
01:31:40.440 --> 01:31:42.680
and the Old Testament sacrifice.

993
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:44.920
And that will be really crazy helpful for you.

994
01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:46.800
It's a message that really, really, really,

995
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:48.720
really needs to get out to the planet

996
01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:50.560
and no one's talking about it,

997
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:53.000
but it brings so much freedom when you get it.

998
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:53.960
But it's really important.

999
01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:56.520
It's really important to understand that Jesus didn't come

1000
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:58.240
so that you could be forgiven.

1001
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:06.840
People, and this is what that message will clear up for you,

1002
01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:08.600
is people always think that Jesus came

1003
01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:09.640
so you could be forgiven.

1004
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:11.800
And that's not the case.

1005
01:32:13.040 --> 01:32:14.400
People always talk about the cross

1006
01:32:14.400 --> 01:32:16.240
as though the cross had to change.

1007
01:32:16.240 --> 01:32:17.920
And like you might've seen,

1008
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:19.600
did you guys see some of those posts I put up

1009
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:22.080
as did Jesus come to reveal the father

1010
01:32:22.080 --> 01:32:23.760
or change the father?

1011
01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:26.440
And people say both.

1012
01:32:26.440 --> 01:32:28.320
If you think the answer is both,

1013
01:32:30.480 --> 01:32:35.280
you're spiritually schizophrenic in a kind way.

1014
01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:37.640
And just like I was for many years,

1015
01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:41.520
it's spiritual schizophrenia that leads you to say both.

1016
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:43.680
Jesus was both revealing God

1017
01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:45.640
and changing God at the same time.

1018
01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:47.280
But, and then because I say,

1019
01:32:47.280 --> 01:32:49.200
did Jesus come to reveal the father?

1020
01:32:49.240 --> 01:32:53.240
You know, or change the father.

1021
01:32:53.240 --> 01:32:56.280
Everyone says, oh, reveal, but maybe both, both.

1022
01:32:56.280 --> 01:32:57.120
I think both.

1023
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:03.960
So Jesus didn't come so that you could be forgiven, right?

1024
01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.240
God was able to effortlessly forgive people

1025
01:33:07.240 --> 01:33:10.800
in the Old Testament, and he did many times over.

1026
01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:14.200
And Jesus demonstrates that in the New Testament

1027
01:33:14.200 --> 01:33:16.880
before the cross, he just goes around forgiving people, right?

1028
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:18.440
The woman caught in adultery.

1029
01:33:19.480 --> 01:33:21.000
The woman caught in adultery,

1030
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:23.680
that's a beautiful picture for right now

1031
01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:25.960
where all the people who think that Jesus came

1032
01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:28.640
to change God or satisfy the wrath of God,

1033
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:31.200
just go to the beginning of John 8,

1034
01:33:31.200 --> 01:33:32.440
the woman caught in adultery.

1035
01:33:32.440 --> 01:33:33.280
Just read John 8.

1036
01:33:33.280 --> 01:33:35.640
It's the most powerful chapter on freedom

1037
01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:37.000
in the whole Bible.

1038
01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.440
John 8 is the most powerful chapter on freedom

1039
01:33:39.440 --> 01:33:41.280
in the whole Bible.

1040
01:33:41.280 --> 01:33:44.840
John 8 starts with the woman caught in adultery.

1041
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:46.360
You know, it's all about condemnation.

1042
01:33:46.360 --> 01:33:47.800
And they think, right?

1043
01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.040
They think that God demands justice

1044
01:33:50.040 --> 01:33:51.840
and his wrath needs to be satisfied.

1045
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:55.560
And Jesus is like, oh no, I can actually just forgive.

1046
01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:56.920
How about this statement?

1047
01:33:56.920 --> 01:33:58.560
There is no condemnation.

1048
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:02.520
Didn't she need to be, she should,

1049
01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:04.200
surely she should, isn't that worse

1050
01:34:04.200 --> 01:34:07.480
than stealing some gum?

1051
01:34:07.480 --> 01:34:10.720
You know, she was caught in the act of adultery.

1052
01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:12.600
That's not very nice.

1053
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:14.280
That's not very nice at all.

1054
01:34:14.280 --> 01:34:16.920
Bit of a home wrecker, bit of a home wrecker, eh?

1055
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.040
She's not like, she's not a saint.

1056
01:34:19.040 --> 01:34:21.240
She's just been out there having an affair with someone,

1057
01:34:21.240 --> 01:34:23.800
wrecking someone's marriage.

1058
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:25.000
She's not a saint.

1059
01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:26.920
It was a bit naughty, what she was doing.

1060
01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.160
She was a little bit naughty.

1061
01:34:29.160 --> 01:34:31.800
They picked a juicy, ripe sinner, you know,

1062
01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:32.840
and brought her to Jesus,

1063
01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:34.560
because they're like, there's no way,

1064
01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:36.760
there's no way that this person doesn't,

1065
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:38.600
according to the law, deserve death.

1066
01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:44.040
And so they bring someone who's totally guilty,

1067
01:34:44.040 --> 01:34:47.600
caught red-handed, and first of all,

1068
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:48.680
you kind of wonder, hey, like,

1069
01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:50.040
what were those guys doing?

1070
01:34:50.040 --> 01:34:51.600
Like, what are they up to that they're like,

1071
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:54.760
okay, she's in the now, okay.

1072
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.800
A bit sneaky, like P.D. Tom, kind of, you know,

1073
01:34:58.840 --> 01:34:59.680
a bit rude.

1074
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.200
Anyway, interesting story.

1075
01:35:02.200 --> 01:35:03.840
So there they are, like,

1076
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:05.680
yeah, can you imagine being that guy?

1077
01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:08.560
They're like, you run in while two people are having sex

1078
01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:11.840
and you just grab the naked body.

1079
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:13.360
They grab this naked chick and just go,

1080
01:35:13.360 --> 01:35:14.680
ha, gotcha!

1081
01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:15.800
Right, let's go, boys!

1082
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:16.640
And not just one or two,

1083
01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:20.000
like a whole group of you run in while they're having sex

1084
01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:21.400
and just grab your naked body and go,

1085
01:35:21.400 --> 01:35:22.880
ha ha, gotcha!

1086
01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:24.520
Right, you're coming with us!

1087
01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:25.360
Like, oh!

1088
01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:28.400
Anyway, that's what happened.

1089
01:35:28.400 --> 01:35:29.680
So a bit of an interesting story there.

1090
01:35:30.320 --> 01:35:31.760
And then they drag her downtown,

1091
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.320
just drag her through the streets.

1092
01:35:34.320 --> 01:35:35.160
Where's Jesus?

1093
01:35:35.160 --> 01:35:38.200
We've got a naked person we want to introduce him to.

1094
01:35:38.200 --> 01:35:41.440
And here's a beautiful story for all the people

1095
01:35:41.440 --> 01:35:44.040
who think that Jesus came to satisfy the wrath of God

1096
01:35:44.040 --> 01:35:46.680
and that, you know, oh, what does Jesus do?

1097
01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:49.200
Oh, just effortlessly forgives her

1098
01:35:49.200 --> 01:35:51.800
as the exact representation,

1099
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:53.560
as the exact revelation of God,

1100
01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:55.840
as the exact revelation of the nature of the Father,

1101
01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:58.080
effortlessly forgives before the cross.

1102
01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:00.840
And one thing we can learn from that

1103
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:05.840
is that Jesus didn't come so that we could be forgiven.

1104
01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:10.920
Okay, forgiveness is always given.

1105
01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:13.080
It's just, it's there.

1106
01:36:13.080 --> 01:36:13.920
It's yours.

1107
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:14.880
All you have to do is receive it.

1108
01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:17.920
Old Testament, New Testament, freedom.

1109
01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:19.280
Sorry, forgiveness is right there.

1110
01:36:19.280 --> 01:36:22.360
What we didn't have is we didn't have freedom.

1111
01:36:22.360 --> 01:36:25.440
Okay, that's the thing that Jesus really came

1112
01:36:25.440 --> 01:36:27.680
to get for us, is freedom.

1113
01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:29.120
Freedom, freedom, freedom.

1114
01:36:29.120 --> 01:36:29.960
And they had some freedom,

1115
01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.680
but they didn't have as much freedom as they could have.

1116
01:36:34.240 --> 01:36:36.640
Like I said, a handful of people

1117
01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:37.920
in the Old Testament walk in freedom,

1118
01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:39.480
but not as many as could have.

1119
01:36:41.320 --> 01:36:43.240
Jesus came that we could have freedom.

1120
01:36:43.240 --> 01:36:44.800
That's why without the shedding of innocent blood,

1121
01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:47.040
there's no freedom.

1122
01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:50.680
Sorry, without the shedding of blood,

1123
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:52.240
not the shedding of innocent blood.

1124
01:36:52.240 --> 01:36:54.480
That's the wrong thing to say by a long way.

1125
01:36:55.480 --> 01:37:00.480
So, that's a good chunk for today.

1126
01:37:03.440 --> 01:37:04.680
It's a good chunk.

1127
01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:14.080
Let me try and sum up, wrap up.

1128
01:37:14.080 --> 01:37:19.080
Who believes that the truth is true before you believe it?

1129
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:36.120
Does anyone out there believe that the truth

1130
01:37:36.120 --> 01:37:38.000
is the truth before you believe it?

1131
01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:40.520
Yeah?

1132
01:37:41.400 --> 01:37:42.240
Okay.

1133
01:37:43.240 --> 01:37:44.480
That's really important.

1134
01:37:45.440 --> 01:37:48.800
So, if the truth is the truth before you believe it,

1135
01:37:51.280 --> 01:37:54.280
and if the truth is that you're made in the image of God,

1136
01:37:58.480 --> 01:38:00.080
pause there.

1137
01:38:00.080 --> 01:38:03.600
If you're the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus,

1138
01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:06.120
how much sinful nature is in God?

1139
01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:08.400
None.

1140
01:38:10.480 --> 01:38:11.320
None?

1141
01:38:11.320 --> 01:38:12.520
Are you sure about that?

1142
01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:15.080
Are you sure that there's no sinful nature in God?

1143
01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:20.840
I'll tell you what you can have.

1144
01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:23.800
You can have as much sinful nature as you want.

1145
01:38:26.080 --> 01:38:29.080
You can have as much sinful nature as you want,

1146
01:38:29.080 --> 01:38:31.560
and it will always be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

1147
01:38:35.360 --> 01:38:37.160
You know, the people who were the biggest

1148
01:38:37.160 --> 01:38:40.640
and harshest and most wrath-filled people

1149
01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:41.920
about the sinful nature,

1150
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:43.720
you know,

1151
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:46.800
they're not free from sin.

1152
01:38:48.400 --> 01:38:53.080
You know, John Calvin, despite all his wrath and rules

1153
01:38:53.080 --> 01:38:53.920
and things like that,

1154
01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:57.600
his own kids were breaking the laws on adultery.

1155
01:39:03.160 --> 01:39:06.240
You know, the mess was in his own family.

1156
01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:12.360
So,

1157
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:19.720
are you trying to tell me that there's no,

1158
01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:23.160
God has no sinful nature?

1159
01:39:23.160 --> 01:39:26.680
Is that what you guys are trying to tell me?

1160
01:39:26.680 --> 01:39:27.520
Yes.

1161
01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:32.680
You're trying to tell me God has no sinful nature?

1162
01:39:34.160 --> 01:39:35.200
Yeah.

1163
01:39:35.200 --> 01:39:36.360
And you were made in his,

1164
01:39:36.360 --> 01:39:38.400
and are you also trying to tell me at the same time

1165
01:39:38.400 --> 01:39:40.000
that you were made in his image?

1166
01:39:41.640 --> 01:39:42.480
Yep.

1167
01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:45.800
But did God used to have a sinful nature?

1168
01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:49.040
No.

1169
01:39:49.040 --> 01:39:51.720
He didn't used to have a sinful nature.

1170
01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:54.040
Is he going to have a sinful nature?

1171
01:39:54.960 --> 01:39:57.280
Has he got a bad day coming up?

1172
01:39:57.280 --> 01:39:58.760
What's he like on the weekend?

1173
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:06.000
So he's not going to have a bad day where he all of a sudden has a sinful nature.

1174
01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:10.000
And he never had a bad day where he was going to have a sinful nature.

1175
01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:12.000
Hmm.

1176
01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:16.000
Okay, so he never had a bad day where he had a sinful nature.

1177
01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:20.000
He's not going to have one, and you're made in his image.

1178
01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:22.000
And the truth.

1179
01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:26.000
Are you trying to tell me that the truth is the truth before we believe it?

1180
01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:30.000
Or is it more?

1181
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:34.000
Do we make the truth true by believing it?

1182
01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:38.000
No? The truth is just true?

1183
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:40.000
Okay, listen, the truth.

1184
01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:41.000
Huh?

1185
01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:45.000
For us, we make the truth the truth.

1186
01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:49.000
Yeah, you can change your mind about what you think is true.

1187
01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:50.000
Yeah, for sure.

1188
01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:56.000
So if that's the case.

1189
01:40:56.000 --> 01:41:02.000
Is it true that you were made in the image of God before you believe it?

1190
01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:04.000
Yeah.

1191
01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:08.000
So it's true that you were made in the image of God before you believe that.

1192
01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:19.000
But before you believe that, what did you believe about yourself?

1193
01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:21.000
What did you believe about yourself?

1194
01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:23.000
About your identity.

1195
01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:25.000
That I was a sinner.

1196
01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:27.000
Before.

1197
01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:29.000
I knew the truth.

1198
01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:31.000
When were you a sinner?

1199
01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:33.000
Pardon me?

1200
01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:39.000
So if you ask me, am I a sinner?

1201
01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:41.000
Is there sin in my behavior?

1202
01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:43.000
I'll happily say yes.

1203
01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:47.000
If you ask me that as an identity statement, are you sinful as an identity?

1204
01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:49.000
I'd be like, no.

1205
01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:52.000
And you know what? When I started to believe that I was perfect,

1206
01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:57.000
guess how quickly my life started changing.

1207
01:41:57.000 --> 01:41:59.000
So fast.

1208
01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:05.000
Guess how easy it started to become to enjoy the bliss of the divine life.

1209
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:07.000
So easy.

1210
01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:11.000
Guess how easy it started to become to experience effortless union with God

1211
01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:13.000
and seamless union with the Trinity.

1212
01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:18.000
Guess how easy it started to become to experience the divine dance.

1213
01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:20.000
On a moment by moment basis.

1214
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.000
Way too easy.

1215
01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:26.000
Way, way, way too easy.

1216
01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:31.000
So.

1217
01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:38.000
All the sinful nature is, is every lie that you believe about yourself.

1218
01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:47.000
The power that the sinful nature has is in your agreement that you have one.

1219
01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:50.000
So never let anyone tell you you've got a sinful nature.

1220
01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:55.000
And if there's a church that preaches simple nature from the pulpit.

1221
01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:56.000
Holy moly.

1222
01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:00.000
Be very, very careful about the toxic religion that you're missing with.

1223
01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:03.000
To be honest, it's going to be very hard to find a church that doesn't.

1224
01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.000
I would say 90.

1225
01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:06.000
Nine.

1226
01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:09.000
98%. Even of the churches that talk.

1227
01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:14.000
Still preach simple nature.

1228
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:18.000
Even if they, even if they say they don't.

1229
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:20.000
When you start scratching their theology,

1230
01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:25.000
they still don't believe that you got rid of the simple nature until you,

1231
01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:27.000
until the cross.

1232
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:30.000
As opposed to you were just made in the image of God.

1233
01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:33.000
This is a real big deal.

1234
01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:36.000
Because it takes you up for a life of performance.

1235
01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:41.000
That's rigged to fail.

1236
01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:45.000
Right. When people get, when people say.

1237
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:54.000
When people say.

1238
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:57.000
The cross dictated your identity rather than Genesis one,

1239
01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:00.000
The cross doesn't dictate your identity before the cross.

1240
01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:04.000
The cross doesn't dictate your identity. Okay.

1241
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.000
The cross releases a revelation.

1242
01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:09.000
That destroys the lies that you believe about your identity.

1243
01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:11.000
The cross doesn't see your identity.

1244
01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:12.000
Identity was sick.

1245
01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:13.000
And Genesis.

1246
01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:16.000
One.

1247
01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:19.000
The cross is about helping you remove all the lies that you believe

1248
01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:23.000
about your identity.

1249
01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:26.000
The cross is about helping you.

1250
01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:33.000
In a ridiculously insanely powerful way.

1251
01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:36.000
And the way that a handful of people in the old Testament captured it,

1252
01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.000
but Jesus broke up in a crazy whole new way for people.

1253
01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:44.000
Going forward.

1254
01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:45.000
Yeah.

1255
01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:49.000
So.

1256
01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:55.000
Yeah.

1257
01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:58.000
Get it in there.

1258
01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:00.000
In my challenge.

1259
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:06.240
with it is that I guess I want to go all the way, I want to get you halfway there, okay?

1260
01:45:06.240 --> 01:45:11.360
I want to get you halfway there and set you up for a life of performance-based freedom,

1261
01:45:13.120 --> 01:45:17.840
because it's not actually freedom. And the only way that you're going to get there is if you

1262
01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:24.400
become fully persuaded, you become fully persuaded that you've always been perfect,

1263
01:45:25.360 --> 01:45:29.520
and it had nothing to do with you, it's just the truth that you were made in the image of God,

1264
01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:36.880
and that's what made you perfect. Now the cross is going to bring a powerful revelation into your

1265
01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:44.560
life that's going to help destroy all the lies that have tried to clamber over and smother your

1266
01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:58.800
perfection. Should we wrap it up there? Yeah, good. Righto, thanks everyone for a good chat.

1267
01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:05.280
We're going to do another Q&A Friday next week, but

1268
01:46:09.200 --> 01:46:15.920
yeah, so we're going to do another Q&A Friday next week. I want to encourage you guys to

1269
01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:21.440
wrestle with this, we're going to probably, you know, we've got 12 weeks on this

1270
01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:29.200
masterclass, and we want to, if you can remember the three things that we really need is

1271
01:46:29.200 --> 01:46:39.920
really good foundations, then we need the renewed mind, you know, and we need great work ethic,

1272
01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:46.880
you know, or diligence in that area. So we're going to do a little bit of work

1273
01:46:52.080 --> 01:47:00.480
on that. So Reese is just saying, what was the cross for? I really want to recommend you guys,

1274
01:47:00.480 --> 01:47:08.080
if you haven't, you should totally finish off the Open Heaven Intensive to help you out with this,

1275
01:47:08.080 --> 01:47:13.280
especially the whole thing about the cross and the whole, yeah, the Open Heaven Intensive is

1276
01:47:13.280 --> 01:47:17.520
going to really help you out with this, because we just, we did so much about the cross in there

1277
01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:26.080
and about sacrifice, so that's going to be really cool. Yeah, I just see Reese, even this,

1278
01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:33.760
your question here, I might do things that are wrong, but I am perfect, even the first part of

1279
01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:40.800
this message that you weren't here for is what we just, we just spent all that time chatting that

1280
01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:50.480
through. All right, I'm just checking some of the comments, I'm going to catch up with everyone,

1281
01:47:51.360 --> 01:47:59.600
and then next, it's Monday, we've got our next session, so Monday we're going to be doing,

1282
01:48:00.480 --> 01:48:08.640
we're going to be talking more around our activation. Monday, bring some coloring

1283
01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:15.040
pencils or something, we're going to do an activation, okay, so Monday, it's Monday 10am,

1284
01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:21.680
we'll go with, so Monday 10am, bring some coloring pencils and we're going to go with an activation

1285
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:31.360
to really go deep in intimacy. Sound good? Okay, yeah, lots of journey on, lots of time to process,

1286
01:48:31.360 --> 01:48:40.560
enjoy and bless you, and we'll catch you soon. Bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye, see you.