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There. How are you guys doing? Pretty sure we're live right now. Let me jump in here and

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just double check. Hey Michelle, good to have you. Great to have beautiful people with us.

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Cool. Very nice. Hey, good to see you. Hi. How are you doing? Really good.

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That is cool. Very, very cool. Hey Kerry. Hey Michelle.

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Good to have you guys here. And I'm just checking in on the...

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This is cool. We've got a couple of people watching the live as well. The link is there

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for anyone who's in the live. Hey Rod, I see you there, my man. Very cool. If you are watching

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in the Facebook group, live or delayed, then always feel free to be chatty. And then I know

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you're there. I love tracking with you guys. So that is very cool. Beautiful.

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So, how are we doing team? How are we doing? We'll just take a moment here

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and then we go get right into it just in a moment.

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Have you guys been finding the hard things challenge? What's been happening?

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Here's my little chart. Oh, champion. Yeah. And I've been getting the mark like every day.

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That is fantastic. Does that feel great? Oh, it does. It feels fantastic. Feels amazing.

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That is excellent. Do you know what that feeling comes from?

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Success. Every single time you release one of those tics, your brain rewards you with a chemical

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called dopamine. And dopamine is the feel good chemical. So nothing feels so good like achieving

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something because your brain goes, yes, and it rewards you with a good hit of dopamine.

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So that's good. It's good news. And then also you get to just see

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results as well. Are you seeing any results for yourself?

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Actually, I had something happen to me in my car. I was on the way to the city and I had like a

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whole day that I had to do things and I was driving and I just like deliberately decided to do the

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trigger while I was driving. And all of a sudden I had this tangible experience of the presence of

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the Trinity in the car with me. And it was like, they were happy to be with me. Yeah, they were

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happy to be with me. And I had this sense that they were looking forward to spending the day

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with me. And it was almost like a jokey, funny kind of experience. And I just burst out laughing.

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And then I started to cry. And then I was laughing again. I've never had anything like that happen

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to me. It was just, yes, it was really, really amazing.

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Oh, that is fantastic news.

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Yeah. Hi, Michelle. Welcome, Ramila. Great to have you guys. Hey, well, let's pray.

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And we're just going to keep this session to an hour and pray for a moment. And then we'll jump

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right into it. But feel free to be chatty in the Facebook group or here in the Zoom room.

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And we're going to have fun in this session. We're going to be talking about the Christian

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spectrum of beliefs around hell and also going into a PowerPoint presentation on the origins

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of the gospel. So we're going to break this into two sessions. We'll do one today. We'll do one

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next Wednesday.

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So, yeah, feel free to ask questions as we go, but let's pray for a moment and then just

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see what happens.

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Hello Yeshua, Holy Spirit, we love you, we delight in you, we worship you, we give you high praise, we exalt you, we are delighted in you, we are delighted in you, we are delighted in you.

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In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen.

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We welcome your flow, Holy Spirit, we welcome your glory, we welcome your nearness, we welcome visions, and dreams, and encounters, and we welcome signs, and wonders, and miracles, and we welcome angels, and we welcome the cloud of witnesses, and we welcome all of heaven, we welcome the throne of heaven, and the atmosphere of the throne of heaven to flood this time.

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We want you to be enthroned on high, Jesus, we want your name to be lifted high, we enthrone you in our praise right now, we enthrone you in our adoration right now, we declare you are the King of Kings, we declare you are the Lord of Lords, and we love you.

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We thank you for your kingdom manifest in this place right now, we thank you for your love, and your presence, and your power, and your word, and your spirit moving in this place, we thank you for the lightnings of God, we thank you for fresh encounter, we thank you for fresh nearness, we thank you for wrapping people up in your love, I thank you that you break out in front of them with breakthroughs, and signs, and miracles, we thank you, Lord, we thank you for that encounter for Haiki this week, we thank you for more, more, more.

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We thank you for the miracles that have unfolded this week, we thank you for all that you've done this week, we love you, we honor you, we bless you, we thank you for grace to do hard things like never before, in Jesus' name, amen.

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Amen.

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Wow, I'm very, very delighted to be enjoying him, so good to be with you guys.

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Just a hands up again, who's enjoying the concept around doing hard things?

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Who's getting some value out of that?

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Very cool.

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I can't underestimate and can't, I guess I can't emphasize enough the value of the doing hard things component, that practical component.

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You know, we are at day eight, right, but this is day eight, day eight is week five, and we've still got, you know, like, six weeks to go.

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Seven weeks to go, seven weeks to go, so we've got a long way to go, you know, we're just beginning but that's where the growth is and the consistency and remember our objective in the Open Heaven Masterclass is the divine life being reproduced in our lives.

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And if we look at the, again, if we bring it back again to the parable of the sower, it's not the seed that's the issue, it's the soil.

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And we have to recognize that the seed of the gospel is being planted in our hearts our whole lives, right?

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The seed's not the issue.

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If the seed of the gospel, if the seed of our knowledge of Christ has not, you know, produced everything that we desire it to produce, there's no point in going around and blaming other people and looking at other places, we want to look at the soil, right?

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That's a confronting moment when we realize, oh, wow, this is probably less about the seed and more about the soil.

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soil. And so the doing hard things on a daily basis is about

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tending to the soil of our hearts and our minds. Even the

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physical things that we are doing, you know, just moving our

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bodies that releases chemicals, okay, that gets chemicals

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flowing through our bodies that help our minds function better.

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And the better our mind can function, the easier we can

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renew it. You know, if our brains aren't functional, it's

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very difficult to renew our minds. But when we move our

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bodies, we release chemicals, you know, your brain is

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constantly releasing chemicals, either the fight or flight

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chemicals of cortisol, and adrenaline, or it's releasing,

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you know, like the positive chemicals of your endorphins,

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dopamine, oxytocin, and serotonin that we need in

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exercise, you'd be amazed at how much just moving your body

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releases chemicals that you need to renew your mind. The water,

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again, that's blessing your health, that blesses your gut

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health, your gut is the only other place in your body that

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has neurological pathways. So your neurological pathways are

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in your stomach and in your brain. So part of the part of

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you know, like, I've got this gut feeling that saying I've got

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this gut feeling, it's because you've got neurological

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pathways, your stomach thinks, your stomach has neurological

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pathways that are thinking, that's why you get a gut

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feeling because your stomach is thinking, well, your water is

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going to help with your gut health. And that's going to help

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with your overall health, that's going to enable you that's going

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to tend to the soil, right in the spirits going to tend to the

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soil, reading the words going to tend to the soil, gratitude has

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a huge capacity to increase our brains neuroplasticity. So it's

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our brains ability to renew the mind. With no, if you don't have

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any neuroplasticity, your brain can't learn, you can't renew

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your mind. So gratitude, as well as bringing the atmosphere of

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the presence of God and the atmosphere of heaven, renews

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your mind. So everything that we're doing, we're tending to

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the soil. Is that good news? Is that a good plan? Yeah. Yeah. So

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don't underestimate the daily, okay, the daily is more

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important than what I'm going to all the learning, okay, the

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learning is important. But if we keep throwing lots of seed on

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the same soil, you know, sure, are we really going to get much

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of a different outcome? We need to tend to the soil. Cool, cool.

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So we are chatting. Yes, I see Paul there saying soil.

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Lavinia is getting good value from doing the hard things. Yeah,

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loving people. Oh my goodness as well. Like loving people is

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nothing more powerful. Yeah. There's nothing more powerful

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than loving someone to soften your heart. And your ability to

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renew your mind depends on the softness of your heart. Is

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anyone else getting that echo that Patti, I just see Patti

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dropped the message about echo. Shouldn't be anything different

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on my end. Okay. Yeah, might be those. Okay, cool. All right. So

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right now, let's drop any questions you've got about hell

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in the comments. I'm not. So I just want we're going to talk

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about hell now. So we're going to transition into that part of

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we're going to transition to that part of the chat now where

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we are talking about we're going to talk about the Christian

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spectrums of belief on hell. So why don't you drop in the

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comments, ideally on Facebook, drop your comments around hell.

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What are your questions? What are your beliefs? Anything you

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like? Okay, so we're just going to like brainstorming about how

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what do you think about hell? And we're going to chat, we're

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going to chat all sorts of things about hell. So okay. Now

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who thinks that hell is not just a scary place, but a scary

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conversation? For me, hell is a scary conversation. If you're a

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minister of any sort, talking about hell is really, really

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scary. Because what you think about hell

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people will judge like everything else about your life based on what you think about hell.

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How crazy is that right? And so um and I guess it's a belief that whatever you think about hell

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or whatever your conversations are around hell it's uh it's a topic where there is a huge amount

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of punishment right? Um just last week a little five-year-old girl asked my wife this question

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she at so my wife and her friend both christian ladies were hanging out and this little five-year-old

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girl asked him hey do you think Jesus would forgive the devil if he said sorry?

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Now a five-year-old is allowed to ask that right but if you're 25 or 35 or 15 or 65 you are not

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allowed to ask that question right like you get a lot of punishment you know for your thoughts

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your perspectives even just your conversations or wanting to ask questions about how you get

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a lot of punishment right you guys notice that like have you have you have you experienced that

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yes or no? I'm watching the I'm watching the comments as well just to the idea here is just

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to engage you know initially engage um some conversation around this dynamic of hell um

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oh Neil's asking has a pagan idea of hell influenced our christian view of hell?

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Um what is the fire? Is it complete separation from God?

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Um yeah so there's just a range of comments coming here in the Facebook group as well so

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first first thing that I just want to do is I just want to say that it's okay to be on a journey

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around this it's okay to ask um questions I haven't really found many safe places in my life

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to dialogue around this okay so especially if you're a pastor or a minister um they're like

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it's not a it's not a safe conversation to have with people like it's um it's something that

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seems to generate a lot of uh I would say almost irrational emotion like you get a lot of emotions

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going down um Kerry said never looked at it brought up catholic um lived in hell uh

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yeah I guess you know like experienced hell on earth okay hey Raewyn good to see you Andy good

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to see you um so Raewyn you've just jumped in we're just um just chatting about hell um so

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um I guess what I'm trying what I'm trying to create right now is just a little bit of

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safety for you guys around the conversation because it hasn't been a safe conversation

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in my life okay so wanting to know wanting to learn wanting to grow wanting to understand

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it hasn't been a safe question or topic to ask about how so I want to kind of take this slowly

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and here's here's a um here's a mindset where that kind of um here's a mindset that

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has made talking about hell an issue okay so just think about this kind of this paradigm where um

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when we've grown up in church a lot of the time we've been taught what to think

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and not how to think and it's not just that and that's because in seminaries and bible colleges

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you're taught what to think not how to think you're taught this this is the interpretation

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this is it and you have to believe that and you have to stick within the confines of this

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definition all right and if you don't you fail if you don't you're punished if you don't like

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you have this so that church that culture starts in how we train our leaders where we punish our

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leaders if our leaders don't think exactly down the line down the status quo of that particular

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group of people okay so um interestingly if you change groups of people the um the thin line

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changes as well does that make sense you go into this particular group of people and there's a

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thin line now it's not just related to the topic of how like it's just a mindset in general around

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um organizations that want to control people teach people

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to think not how to think okay so organizations that don't mind like you know there's not many

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organizations right that just are happy to teach people how to think and how to look at things

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objectively and subjectively and just take deep conversations and explore things and there's not

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many yeah so like Andy's saying you know it can go the other way if you if you believe and there's

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this whole performance-based culture again as well right so you're you're going to be accepted

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in that group or not accepted in that group based on what you think at that particular point in time

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and we have to understand like who here has changed what they thought about something in their life

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yeah I have changed what I've thought about thought about so many times and so what I'm

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inviting you guys into is I'm not gonna like approach this topic and give you what to think

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okay and for some people who are used to being told what to think that will be really frustrating

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because you just want to go Benji what do I believe and I'm not going to say this is what

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you believe okay I'm gonna I'm gonna say here's some ideas that have been talked about for

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thousands of years why don't you explore it why don't you research it so so for some people they

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just want to be told what to believe like just tell me what to believe and I'm not going to

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tell you what to believe okay I'm uh I've been journeying on this you know for well over a

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decade myself exploring it you know uh doing in-depth study on it and you know sometimes

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you know you have bandwidth for that and you go real deep on it in that particular season then

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other other seasons you don't quite have as much bandwidth to go real deep on a particular topic

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so you're like okay I'm gonna have to explore this later so I guess here's me setting the context of

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safety here's me creating the culture of I'm like sometimes here's a little a little different

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like kind of dynamic for you as well like if someone if you're preaching right when you the

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whole dynamic of preaching is to like hammer the truth into someone right that's the that's the

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objective of preaching right when you're preaching you're trying to you're trying to impart you're

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trying to put that truth in a person but a sermon is a different thing right uh it's different like

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a sermon versus preaching a sermon is supposed to actually just cause people to ask questions and

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you know in the Jewish culture if um if you went to a to a rabbi with a question

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the rabbi thought they'd succeeded if you left with a hundred more

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right the rabbi's job wasn't to answer your questions the rabbi's job was to get you thinking

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so Jewish culture is far more revolved around how to think and kind of the Greek mindset that we have

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established in all of our kind of western world is what to think so you've got to this is what

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you've got to think that a Jewish mind is more like let's be curious let's explore let's ask

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explore let's ask questions in fact um when a rabbi is teaching in the Jewish seminary

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the greatest uh the greatest achievement or the greatest accolade that they can give their

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students in a Jewish seminary is when they're teaching something is is this you raise a good objection

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it's the opposite it's the opposite of a punishment culture right they celebrate it

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if someone can raise a good objection to what they're teaching

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because it's it's about the critical thinking it's about the learning process oh this is how

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we think this is how we process this is how we explore and what that creates is much more depth

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more depth to your conviction much more depth to your perspective much more

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Christian's perspectives on hell

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who's got a left hand and a right hand all right put your left hand out show me your left hand if

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you're on um if you're on Facebook just say left hand okay left hand um yeah Neil's just saying uh

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I am getting just getting some good comments in the Facebook there I can't comment all of them now

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but um left hand

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Right hand. Let's see the right hand, left hand, right hand. Say left hand, right hand.

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You're going to use your hands as the spectrum of belief. Your left hand. I'm about to talk

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to you about what your left hand represents in the spectrum of belief. Say again with

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left hand. All right. Actually, we're going to change it. We're going to change up. It's

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going to be right hand. We're going to start with right hand. Say right hand. Right hand.

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Okay, right hand. Benjamin. My name, Benjamin, means son of the right hand. So we're going

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to start with right hand. So the right hand represents the most extreme perspectives on

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health in terms of the most extreme punishment. And the left hand represents the most extreme

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redemption. Okay. Say punishment and redemption. Right hand is punishment in this particular

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spectrum. Right hand is punishment. Left hand is redemption. So remember, this is a Christian

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spectrum of the beliefs of hell. So it's not just hell. It's salvation. It's inclusion. It's all

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these things. So on the right hand and the most extreme side of judgment, you've got this small

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group that lives in a place called Maramarua. All right. Now, please bear in mind that this

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particular group is made up. Okay. They don't actually exist. I'm just making this up

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for an example, but you'll get the picture as soon as I get into it. So the small group of

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people in Maramarua, and there's 12 of them. Okay. There's 12 of them in this whole group,

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and they got the revelation. They discovered that they are the only ones on the planet who actually

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receive the true gospel. Right. They're the only ones. No one else is saved. Just this group of 12

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people in this little country area called Maramarua. Right. And in that group of 12,

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there is the 12 of them, but they're not really sure about six of them.

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And then two of them are kind of iffy, and one's right on the fence, but there's three that they're

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pretty much certain they're going to make it. Right. But the rest of humanity won't.

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okay, only three of us out of all humanity are really actually going to make it through. We're

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the only ones that got the revelation. Everyone else is going to hell, and they're going to suffer

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unending, unspeakable torments in hell. Okay. So you kind of get that picture, right? That's

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the extreme version. And then just down, right, probably on your risk. Okay. So now on your risk,

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a little bit further down the spectrum is you've got extreme Calvinism. Okay. So extreme Calvinism

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has a dynamic called double predestination. So double predestination. And double predestination

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is the flip side of predestination. So predestination is God decided before time

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who would get to go to heaven and who would go to hell. So that's the flip side of predestination.

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So obviously, if he decided who gets to go to heaven, he also decided who gets to go to hell.

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So extreme Calvinism, their picture on this is the ones that don't go to heaven that God chose

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before the foundation of the earth, he chose to send them to hell. And that's what gives him great

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pleasure, right? This was God's pleasure. Before the foundation of the world, God chose to send

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them to hell. And when they're in hell, they suffer unspeakable, unending torment at the hand

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of God, right? It's God is the one that's actually taking pleasure in their torment, in their torture.

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So I don't know about you, but to me, that sounds like that God is a satanic psychopath.

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Agree or disagree? Does that picture of God sound like God is a satanic psychopath?

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Yeah. To me, that is worse than Hitler, right?

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like there's no comparison like hitler's like hitler makes you know like hitler in that context

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as a saint um that concept that god would before the beginning of time predestine the majority of

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humanity to suffer unending unspeakable torment is pretty gnarly right yeah so let me pause there

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for a moment because millions of people believe that right now on the planet millions of people

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believe that millions of people in churches are being taught that every week okay so it's not

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like that's some bizarre thing that doesn't exist no millions of millions of christians around the

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world are taught that and what do you think that does for your image of who god is and what god's

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life does that you know like what now something that something that makes this this topic of how

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so important is that there's there's no like our second i always i talk about identity all the time

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right identity is one of the most powerful beliefs that you'll ever have it's your second most

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powerful belief your your first your single greatest most powerful belief in your belief system

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is who you believe god is what's he like that's why it was jesus number one

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focus when he came is to reveal the nature of god

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so that's what jesus did he came to reveal the nature of god because it's our most powerful

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belief and if right if you can shift that one belief of the nature of god your image of god

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if you've got a if you've got a false image of god this is what it's like if you've got a false

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image of god it's like a demon aircraft carrier

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in your in your life all the infrastructure nearly all the demonic infrastructure satanic

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infrastructure of satanic beliefs and satanic curses and bondage are built on the foundation

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of a corrupt image of who god is so when you get rid of a false image of god it's like sinking a

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demon aircraft carrier that's why i might make the focus of my ministry revealing the father

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and revealing identity because if you deal with those two lies what i've seen so many times is

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all of a sudden people go i feel so free i feel so free wow because those are the foundational

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lies that all the other demonic infrastructure gets built on those two lies so if you just focus

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on that it actually like the rest almost takes care of itself if you if you nail those two things

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nearly everything else in your world will fall into place so this is one reason why talking about

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hell is really important because whether you have consciously processed it or not your beliefs around

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hell dramatically shape your image of god

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and it might not be something that you think about consciously right but

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subconsciously and unconsciously if you think that god does you know predestined the majority

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of humanity to suffer unending unspeakable torments in hell before the foundation of time

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you know before time began if you think that's what he did and you think it gives him pleasure

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to do that and to cause them you know people to suffer unending torment in hell um if that if

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that's what you honestly believe is the truth what do you think in your heart you're going to actually

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feel like god is like yeah um i think you're going to think that he is actually at heart

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a twisted satanic psychopath and you're really not going to want anything to do with it right

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okay so that's just one so uh that's one picture of hell okay now um catholics talk uh a bunch about

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um catholics talk a bunch about purgatory which is you're in hell for a time for a season

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um tammy welcome good to have you tammy and sue welcome good to have you with us

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So, St. Peter's Basilica, who knows what St. Peter's Basilica is?

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Let me, give me one second, I'll pull up for you a picture of St. Peter's Basilica.

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St. Peter's Basilica is one of the most phenomenal pieces of architecture in the world.

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Let me screen share here, I'll just show you a few pictures of St. Peter's Basilica.

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Okay, here we go, this is like, oh I don't know, I think we might be covering that up

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a little bit, here we go, look at that, can you see that?

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sneaky. So, look at the ornateness of St. Peter's Basilica, look at this, this is crazy,

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this is like crazy amazing. So, Michelangelo, the famous Michelangelo, this was one of his

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masterpieces, he actually died before it was finished, but he was the main, you know, one of

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the main guys involved. This place, St. Peter's Basilica is off the charts, phenomenal, one of

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the single greatest pieces of artwork on the planet, like this, this is just mind-blowing,

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this place. Okay, so, so the interesting thing about St. Peter's Basilica is that it wasn't

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cheap, right, that was really expensive, but they did their fund, a lot of their fundraising, right,

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the Catholics did a lot of the fundraising for St. Peter's Basilica by selling indulgences,

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and this is one of the things that's, you know, that was a catalyst of sparking the Reformation

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with John Calvin and Martin Luther, is that the selling of indulgences, they, they told people,

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so this is important because this is deeply ingrained in people's mindsets around health,

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is that they told people how badly their relatives were being punished in purgatory.

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Like, oh yeah, I mean, they've got another 10,000 years to go, and then do these elaborate teachings

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on the extreme tortures that people are going through, and how long they're suffering there,

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and then at the end of that say, but, you know, like for 10 bucks, if you give me 10 bucks right now,

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I'll talk to the boys, and we can actually, actually get them out, and so what we'll do is,

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we'll actually give you a certificate that shows and proves this certificate, it proves

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that we got him out of purgatory, and people were like, yeah! Now, not just a few people

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believe that, right, remember, look at how expensive St. Peter's Basilica was,

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they made a lot of money doing that, okay, so that again is, is that teaching people what to think,

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or how to think? What was the purpose of teaching people what to think? Control,

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manipulation and control was the purpose, okay, and they were obviously just blatantly

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just blatantly swindling people, so that has a big impact on the psychology, you know, of

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people's perspectives around hell, all the imagery that came around it, all the

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emotional talking about it, you know, that all had a big deal, you know, create a big impact around it,

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so that's another aspect of hell, and then, then the next kind of, if you kind of move along, right,

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so you've got Calvinism, and then most Christians, most Christians are aware of Calvinism,

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and then they're aware of Arminianism, okay, so Arminian was a guy, he actually was a Calvinist

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initially, he was part of that crew, then he was like, no, I'm not into this predestination stuff,

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I think it's wrong, so Arminian, he came out of Calvinism, and he created some new ways of thinking,

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which is what most of the Western Church would be nowadays, or kind of class themselves as Arminians,

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so an Arminian perspective is that

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God didn't predestine people to be saved, or, you know, go to hell, or anything like that, everyone...

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has a fair chance to choose, right?

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Calvinism is predestination.

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You get to choose Jesus or refuse Jesus.

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and you don't get a choice.

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God's decided this for you.

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It's your choice to come to Jesus.

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like, hey, would you come and receive Jesus?

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And so, but then ultimately, right?

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if you don't choose Jesus right now,

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you go out of the church tonight

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you're gonna go to hell forever and ever

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and you're gonna suffer intense,

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unspeakable torment forever and you will never escape.

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That will be your lot.

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that you get annihilated.

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You just get, you cease to exist.

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That's your punishment.

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That'd be kind of the middle of the road perspective.

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and majority of people are out.

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if you're in or out,

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but still majority of people are out.

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you know, like 10% of humanity ever

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and 90% of humanity suffer unending,

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unspeakable torment in hell forever.

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So, going all right with this so far?

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apart from Calvinism and Arminianism, okay?

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on the origins of the gospel and all those things,

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This is the only way of thinking.

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there was other ways of thinking.

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I was like, I thought I was real clever

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that Calvinism was another way of thinking.

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I was like, oh, wow, there's another way of thinking

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that Calvinism exists.

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That's crazy.

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I didn't know that there was another way of thinking.

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Whoa, this is a big paradigm shift

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to discover that there was,

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remember how I told you in a particular type of group,

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they just tell you about one way of thinking

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or you'll be punished in that group.

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oh, Calvinism, wow, that's a thing as well.

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And then after really getting into the gospel for a while,

416
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.560
I started to discover Trinitarianism.

417
00:43:52.560 --> 00:43:55.440
I'm like, oh, wow, Trinitarianism, what's this?

418
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.240
This is another huge dynamic.

419
00:43:58.240 --> 00:44:02.240
And actually when we go do our next session next week,

420
00:44:02.240 --> 00:44:05.000
we will do the origins of the gospel PowerPoint.

421
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.720
We won't get to the PowerPoint today,

422
00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:08.560
but we'll do the PowerPoint next week.

423
00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:09.800
And I'll show you, I'll take you back

424
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.240
to all the key players in this process.

425
00:44:12.240 --> 00:44:14.520
And I'll show you the origins of the gospel.

426
00:44:14.520 --> 00:44:17.240
I'll take you back to all the key players in this process.

427
00:44:17.240 --> 00:44:19.160
So, you'll see all the people

428
00:44:19.160 --> 00:44:20.440
that were involved in the process.

429
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:25.440
But the gist of Trinitarianism is that when it comes...

430
00:44:26.560 --> 00:44:30.440
So, a key point here is inclusion, okay?

431
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.680
So, Calvinism, God only predestined a few people

432
00:44:34.680 --> 00:44:36.280
to be included in Christ.

433
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.520
Because if you look at your inheritance,

434
00:44:38.520 --> 00:44:39.720
if you look at the Bible,

435
00:44:39.720 --> 00:44:42.200
all the good stuff comes if you're in Christ, right?

436
00:44:42.240 --> 00:44:44.640
If you're not in Christ, there's no good stuff.

437
00:44:44.640 --> 00:44:47.880
If you're in Christ, you've got everything, right?

438
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:49.320
So, that's the big concept, right?

439
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.280
Who's in Christ?

440
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.720
So, inclusion is a major, major factor here, inclusion.

441
00:44:55.720 --> 00:44:57.520
And at a later date, we'll do more,

442
00:44:57.520 --> 00:44:59.240
I'll be like, to this session,

443
00:44:59.240 --> 00:45:00.640
I'm not giving you any Bible.

444
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.720
versus it's just kind of more chatting, setting the scene. At a future date, and probably not

445
00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:09.040
in the master class, but in a future date, I'll get all the scriptures out for you for inclusion,

446
00:45:09.040 --> 00:45:13.520
and we'll go through, you know, like do a real word study on inclusion, okay? But today,

447
00:45:13.520 --> 00:45:16.880
we're just going to racing through chatting, setting the scene for next week's history lesson.

448
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.400
So it's all about inclusion, right? Because if you're in, then you go to heaven. If you're not

449
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:26.800
in, you go to hell, right? That's the conversation. So the big question is about how do you get in?

450
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:34.880
So Calvinism, you get in if God decides before you're born. Arminianism, you get in if you

451
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:41.760
respond and you accept Jesus, then you're in. And Arminianism is like you can be born again,

452
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:45.600
but then if you're backside, all of a sudden you were born again, and now you're backside,

453
00:45:45.600 --> 00:45:50.960
now you're born, you're not born again. You're in, you're included, but you're backside,

454
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.960
and then you're not, and you do that twice in one day, and you feel like a yo-yo.

455
00:45:55.600 --> 00:46:02.800
So then Trinitarianism, which you guys will all know that Trinitarianism is more

456
00:46:03.520 --> 00:46:07.920
like kind of the area that I preach from and teach from is more of a Trinitarian

457
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.440
dynamic. So the Trinitarian perspective is that when it comes to inclusion,

458
00:46:14.160 --> 00:46:20.800
all humanity has been included forever. Like we've always been included in him.

459
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:30.400
That's why when Paul preaches in Acts 17, you know, through there he's in Acts 17, 27, 28,

460
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:36.560
those verses he says, in him we all live and move and have our being. So Paul's message to

461
00:46:37.200 --> 00:46:44.720
the unbelieving people was a message of inclusion before they believed, was a message of inclusion

462
00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:51.520
before they knew God. Paul's message was actually all humanity is included in Christ.

463
00:46:52.160 --> 00:47:01.120
So, and you know, lots of people wouldn't agree with me there because they would be

464
00:47:01.120 --> 00:47:04.640
in the Arminian camp or if they're in the Calvinist camp. So if they're in the Arminian

465
00:47:04.640 --> 00:47:09.440
camp or the Calvinist camp, they'll be like, no! And bear in mind, I used to be in the Arminian

466
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.440
camp and I would have said, ah, nah, I don't think so bro. What is this thing you're talking

467
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.560
about? You and your crazy ideas. Then as I got deeper into it, I was like, holy moly,

468
00:47:20.560 --> 00:47:27.280
these crazy ideas work. So that's the Trinitarian perspective is that all humanity is included

469
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:32.800
in Christ. But when it comes to Trinitarians talking about hell, they don't say so much

470
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:39.760
about hell. Not that they don't believe that hell exists, but just in the Trinitarian

471
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:48.960
mindset, there's not a huge conclusion about everyone's eternal dynamic. A good way of putting

472
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:57.840
the Trinitarian perspective was C.S. Lewis was a raving Trinitarian. So C.S. Lewis in his book,

473
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:05.280
The Last Battle. Does anyone know the book, The Last Battle? Yep, cool. The Last Battle by C.S.

474
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:12.640
Lewis. I think it's the end of the whole Narnia series. The very end of the whole Narnia series

475
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:19.120
that starts way before Narnia and goes on way after the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. So

476
00:48:19.120 --> 00:48:26.160
the very final moment of that entire huge series, that's one of the most outstanding

477
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:34.000
series of novels on the planet. The way that that finishes is C.S. Lewis, there's these dwarves,

478
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.120
there's been this big battle, there's these dwarves, there's the goodies and the baddies,

479
00:48:37.120 --> 00:48:44.080
and they all kind of had this awakening in this new place. It's kind of like everything goes dark

480
00:48:44.080 --> 00:48:47.840
and they have this awakening in this new place. And there's like the dwarves and who are the baddies,

481
00:48:48.640 --> 00:49:00.000
and their level of consciousness in that place is darkness and chaos. But everyone else who's

482
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:05.920
in the exact same dimensional space, they're in the exact same place, their eyes and their

483
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.440
perspective is totally different. They're enjoying each other, it's not dark for them,

484
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.680
it's light, it's paradise. What they're experiencing in the exact same dimension

485
00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:18.960
is heaven and what these dwarves, I think they're dwarf creatures, what they're experiencing is

486
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:29.840
hell basically. And so that was kind of how he leaves it in the last battle. And that was C.S.

487
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:37.440
Lewis creating his picture, his perspective on hell and another C.S. Lewis quote. So remember,

488
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:41.760
I'm not saying this is what to believe, I'm just saying these are different perspectives and you

489
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:48.880
explore them yourself. C.S. Lewis quote would be, hell is a door locked from the inside.

490
00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:54.080
Okay, so that's a really interesting dynamic

491
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.760
of him saying that hell is a door locked from the inside.

492
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.520
So those are some Trinitarian kind of concepts.

493
00:50:02.520 --> 00:50:05.600
And then after you go, okay, so we're going down

494
00:50:05.600 --> 00:50:08.880
a little bit further now, we're going down here.

495
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.880
We get to another mindset called apocatastasis in the Greek.

496
00:50:14.080 --> 00:50:15.680
Okay, apocatastasis.

497
00:50:15.680 --> 00:50:20.680
Now, apocatastasis, let me bring this up for you.

498
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.080
Give me one moment here.

499
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.440
I'm just bringing up a little bit of Bible for you.

500
00:50:35.720 --> 00:50:40.720
And I'm going to bring you Acts 3.21 and Matthew 17.11.

501
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:45.280
So you can hear where these guys are coming from.

502
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.640
Say apocatastasis really fast.

503
00:50:50.640 --> 00:50:53.760
We're looking at Acts 3.21, it says,

504
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:54.800
it's talking about Jesus.

505
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.600
Heaven must receive them until the time comes

506
00:50:57.600 --> 00:51:01.440
for God to restore all things as he promised long ago

507
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:02.800
through his Holy Spirit.

508
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:04.960
So say, restore all things.

509
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:06.800
Restore all things.

510
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.200
And then Matthew 17.11, Jesus replied,

511
00:51:10.200 --> 00:51:15.080
to be sure Elijah comes and will restore all things.

512
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.800
All right, so that's Matthew 17.11 and Acts 3.21.

513
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:26.240
And that's where you get a Greek phrase, apocatastasis.

514
00:51:26.240 --> 00:51:29.000
And the Greek phrase apocatastasis means

515
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.120
the restoration of all things, okay?

516
00:51:33.120 --> 00:51:36.320
So the restoration of all things is another dynamic.

517
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.520
And like I said, next session, we'll get the PowerPoint out,

518
00:51:40.520 --> 00:51:43.200
we'll jump through, we'll race through church history.

519
00:51:43.200 --> 00:51:44.960
It's going to be pretty dynamic

520
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:48.040
and we'll meet some pretty amazing characters there.

521
00:51:48.040 --> 00:51:51.720
And some of the characters that we'll meet next week

522
00:51:51.720 --> 00:51:55.240
preach this dynamic apocatastasis

523
00:51:55.240 --> 00:51:58.440
in the church mainstream for centuries, right?

524
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.320
And so the restoration of all things

525
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.160
has a few different levels to it within itself, okay?

526
00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:07.200
So level one of the restoration of all things

527
00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:10.320
that a number of church fathers taught for centuries

528
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:15.200
is level one is all of humanity eventually gets saved.

529
00:52:15.200 --> 00:52:18.200
So they're not saying that hell doesn't exist,

530
00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:20.840
but what they're saying is hell is finite.

531
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:25.960
They're saying that hell isn't age, there's a season

532
00:52:26.200 --> 00:52:28.200
and that hell passes and that ultimately

533
00:52:28.200 --> 00:52:30.440
hell is about purification

534
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.400
and that there's a process there that people go through

535
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:38.400
and then, yeah, but ultimately all humanity gets restored,

536
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:42.640
okay?

537
00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:44.920
That's one line of thinking that was taught.

538
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:48.280
Another line of thinking that was taught is that,

539
00:52:49.080 --> 00:52:51.440
yes, all humanity gets restored

540
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.280
and all the fallen angels get restored.

541
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:55.840
And then there's another line

542
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.040
and then there's another way of thinking that says,

543
00:52:58.040 --> 00:53:01.760
yes, all humanity gets restored,

544
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:04.120
all the fallen angels get restored

545
00:53:04.120 --> 00:53:07.200
and Satan himself actually gets restored

546
00:53:07.200 --> 00:53:10.280
and that's what the restoration of all things is, okay?

547
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:14.920
So that's another like, whoa, there's a whole new paradigm

548
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.760
and that's something that you could get yourself

549
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.640
into lots of trouble, even just for mentioning the fact

550
00:53:19.640 --> 00:53:22.040
that that has been historically taught,

551
00:53:23.080 --> 00:53:25.760
you get in trouble for even being aware

552
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.400
of history about that, you know?

553
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.240
Like, there's been a lot of punishment come on people.

554
00:53:31.240 --> 00:53:34.680
So all I'm saying, not saying you should believe that,

555
00:53:34.680 --> 00:53:35.680
not saying I believe that,

556
00:53:35.680 --> 00:53:39.000
I'm just saying that's what was taught for centuries.

557
00:53:40.720 --> 00:53:45.000
And then the reason that, I think one of the reasons

558
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.040
why people really rage against that,

559
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.720
yeah, so I see different people's comments there,

560
00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:57.160
doesn't sound like what it says in Revelation.

561
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.840
Like I said, right now I'm not going real deep

562
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.680
on all of those things,

563
00:54:03.560 --> 00:54:06.520
but she says it doesn't sound like,

564
00:54:06.520 --> 00:54:09.320
doesn't sound like what it says in Revelation.

565
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:10.560
I'm not preaching this to you,

566
00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:13.080
I'm not teaching this to you right now.

567
00:54:13.120 --> 00:54:16.640
All I'm saying is this is the historical story, okay?

568
00:54:16.640 --> 00:54:19.800
So if you did miss the start of,

569
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.160
if you did miss the start of this chat,

570
00:54:27.160 --> 00:54:28.720
then you probably wanna go back

571
00:54:28.720 --> 00:54:31.120
and just kind of like catch the beginning,

572
00:54:31.120 --> 00:54:33.520
let's set the context to make sure everyone's like,

573
00:54:33.520 --> 00:54:36.480
boom, like vibing with us, cool, cool.

574
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:41.480
So then the next,

575
00:54:42.080 --> 00:54:47.040
so apocatastasis or the restoration of all things

576
00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:50.440
is also called Christian universalism, okay?

577
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.080
Now, Christian universalism,

578
00:54:53.080 --> 00:54:56.680
there's another dynamic to universalism, okay?

579
00:54:56.680 --> 00:54:59.600
So Christian universalism,

580
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.280
So everyone's, every knee bows, every tongue confesses,

581
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.760
Christ is still your savior,

582
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:06.400
Christ is still no way to the Father

583
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:07.880
except through Christ, okay?

584
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.080
So that's Christian universalism,

585
00:55:10.080 --> 00:55:14.360
but there's another thing called Unitarian Universalism.

586
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:16.300
And in the Second Great Awakening,

587
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.560
there was, you know, it wasn't just Christianity

588
00:55:19.560 --> 00:55:22.320
that really flourished during the Second Great Awakening,

589
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.320
Mormons flourished across the states,

590
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.680
all sorts of different dynamics, you know,

591
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.920
of spiritual beliefs flourished across America,

592
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:36.240
including what is known as the Unitarian Movement, okay?

593
00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:38.000
Or the Unitarian Universalist.

594
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:43.000
So Unitarians, they had their origins in Christianity, okay?

595
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.600
But then they came out of Christianity

596
00:55:45.600 --> 00:55:50.600
and created their own dynamic of Unitarianism,

597
00:55:50.720 --> 00:55:53.680
but Unitarianism is not a Christian belief

598
00:55:53.680 --> 00:55:57.280
and it is a Christless salvation is what they teach, okay?

599
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.120
They teach a Christless salvation.

600
00:56:00.120 --> 00:56:03.280
So it's not even on the spectrum of Christian belief,

601
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:04.320
okay, it's off the scale.

602
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.080
So if you're looking at the left hand,

603
00:56:07.080 --> 00:56:11.120
so Unitarian Universalism is off the scale,

604
00:56:11.120 --> 00:56:15.200
it is not on the spectrum of Christian teaching, okay?

605
00:56:15.200 --> 00:56:17.680
It is not a Christian doctrine.

606
00:56:17.680 --> 00:56:19.520
And this is something that's really important

607
00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:23.520
because historically there's a big like,

608
00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:25.920
whoa, these guys are crazy, they're teaching it,

609
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.240
like this is a Christless salvation.

610
00:56:28.240 --> 00:56:33.240
And what people don't realize is that Christian Universalism

611
00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:36.960
that was taught for centuries,

612
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.920
apocatastasis, the restoration of all things,

613
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:43.000
Christian Universalism and Unitarian Universalism

614
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.080
are two completely different things.

615
00:56:45.080 --> 00:56:48.080
Unitarian Universalism is not a Christian teaching,

616
00:56:48.080 --> 00:56:50.480
it's a Christless salvation, okay?

617
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.960
So that is not something,

618
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.640
like that is something that we absolutely

619
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:01.080
don't agree with or we don't endorse that concept

620
00:57:01.080 --> 00:57:04.080
of a Christless salvation at all in any way.

621
00:57:05.240 --> 00:57:07.000
So that's not on, right?

622
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.800
It's gone beyond your left hand, it's not on the scale.

623
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:11.920
I hope that makes sense, right?

624
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.360
So we've got way over here that little home group

625
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.360
that thinks that only the three of them are gonna make it

626
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:23.120
all the way through extreme Calvinism,

627
00:57:23.120 --> 00:57:27.760
Arminianism, Trinitarianism, apocatastasis,

628
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.320
the restoration of all things or Christian Universalism

629
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.320
where all humanity gets restored,

630
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:34.440
where humanity and the fallen angels gets restored,

631
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.680
where humanity, the fallen angels and Satan get restored.

632
00:57:37.680 --> 00:57:39.920
And then off the scale on the other side,

633
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:41.840
like off the chart where there's like,

634
00:57:43.080 --> 00:57:45.680
so the very far part of the left hand,

635
00:57:45.680 --> 00:57:48.600
that would be that everything humanity,

636
00:57:48.600 --> 00:57:49.840
fallen angels and Satan,

637
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.600
everything that God ever created gets restored.

638
00:57:52.600 --> 00:57:54.840
That's like, that's the extremity, right?

639
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:55.680
Of the left hand.

640
00:57:55.680 --> 00:57:57.480
And then just past the extremity

641
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.960
in the area of non-Christian beliefs

642
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:02.400
is Unitarian Universalism.

643
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.920
So I hope that makes sense.

644
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.560
And I wanna wrap it up with a few questions

645
00:58:08.560 --> 00:58:09.880
that I wanna kind of like,

646
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:15.400
kind of, and a couple of issues, right?

647
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.200
A couple of problems that I'm seeing with people

648
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.280
as our generation starts to explore some of these.

649
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.880
There's some issues, some problems that I'm seeing

650
00:58:25.720 --> 00:58:30.720
that are causing people to miss out on their destiny.

651
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.040
These are actually big issues, okay?

652
00:58:34.040 --> 00:58:35.880
So that's one thing, right?

653
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.080
There's the perspectives.

654
00:58:38.080 --> 00:58:38.920
Okay.

655
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.520
Now, I very rarely teach this.

656
00:58:45.520 --> 00:58:48.000
I spend most of my time talking about identity, okay?

657
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:49.640
And you guys will understand,

658
00:58:49.640 --> 00:58:51.360
that guy, he just talks about identity all the time.

659
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:52.520
He's got like a school called

660
00:58:52.520 --> 00:58:54.640
the School of Sonship or something.

661
00:58:54.640 --> 00:58:59.640
So let me ask you a quick,

662
00:58:59.640 --> 00:59:01.280
let me ask you this question.

663
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:04.800
What would, how would it change your life, right?

664
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:06.440
How would it change your life?

665
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.240
This is just a hypothetical, so you can relax.

666
00:59:09.240 --> 00:59:11.800
It actually gets to the point of identity

667
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:12.640
at the heart of it.

668
00:59:12.640 --> 00:59:17.240
But how would it change your life if hell didn't exist?

669
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.440
How would it change what you do today

670
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.160
if hell didn't exist?

671
00:59:23.640 --> 00:59:26.160
I want you to think about that, right?

672
00:59:26.160 --> 00:59:27.000
I want you to think about,

673
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.480
how would it change your life if hell didn't exist?

674
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.400
If it wasn't a thing at all?

675
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:33.920
Which I'm not saying, okay?

676
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:34.760
I'm not saying that.

677
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.440
I'm just asking this to get to more of an identity question,

678
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:38.280
okay?

679
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:43.160
Because if it would change your life in any way,

680
00:59:43.160 --> 00:59:44.520
if hell didn't exist,

681
00:59:44.720 --> 00:59:47.600
then there's an identity problem.

682
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:51.920
Okay, that's an identity issue.

683
00:59:53.120 --> 00:59:55.840
Because for so many people,

684
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.200
their motivation is hell.

685
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.000
And that what they do, they do because of a fear of hell.

686
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:09.440
Okay. And I want to say that is an identity issue.

687
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.100
And I'm, you know, plenty of times,

688
01:00:11.100 --> 01:00:15.220
hell has been a good start to motivating people.

689
01:00:15.220 --> 01:00:18.180
And I'll agree, you know, there's been countless people.

690
01:00:18.180 --> 01:00:20.940
And my personal belief is hell is real.

691
01:00:20.940 --> 01:00:23.180
Okay. So don't think that I'm saying that hell isn't.

692
01:00:23.180 --> 01:00:25.940
I believe hell is a real place.

693
01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:28.340
It's amazing how many people have had encounters

694
01:00:28.340 --> 01:00:29.580
that have gone there, been there.

695
01:00:29.580 --> 01:00:31.980
The Bible talks about all sorts of dynamics

696
01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:35.380
of how Jesus taught about all sorts of dynamics of hell.

697
01:00:38.020 --> 01:00:39.140
And actually, interestingly,

698
01:00:39.140 --> 01:00:40.860
we won't be going into it on this chat,

699
01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:44.060
but actually, if you look at the words

700
01:00:44.060 --> 01:00:46.300
that are translated as hell,

701
01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:49.340
when Jesus talked about hell or the Bible talks about hell,

702
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:52.740
most of the times, Jesus wasn't actually talking

703
01:00:52.740 --> 01:00:56.340
about like a literal place called hell.

704
01:00:56.340 --> 01:00:58.020
Like Sheol wasn't hell.

705
01:00:58.060 --> 01:01:00.060
Sheol was a place of rest.

706
01:01:04.420 --> 01:01:05.580
Oh, come on, man.

707
01:01:05.580 --> 01:01:08.140
Brain's just letting me...

708
01:01:08.140 --> 01:01:09.140
Gehenna, right?

709
01:01:09.140 --> 01:01:10.420
Gehenna, right?

710
01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:11.620
Gehenna is not hell.

711
01:01:11.620 --> 01:01:16.100
Gehenna was the rubbish dump outside of Jerusalem.

712
01:01:16.100 --> 01:01:19.500
And so Gehenna was a place where there was, you know,

713
01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:21.140
always constant burning fires

714
01:01:21.140 --> 01:01:22.820
because that's where they burned the rubbish dump

715
01:01:22.820 --> 01:01:25.620
and it smelled really, really bad.

716
01:01:26.540 --> 01:01:28.580
But what happened with the translators

717
01:01:28.580 --> 01:01:32.220
is they took all these different places

718
01:01:32.220 --> 01:01:34.020
and translated them all as hell.

719
01:01:34.020 --> 01:01:36.500
So Gehenna, Sheol,

720
01:01:38.780 --> 01:01:40.620
just quickly off the top of my head,

721
01:01:40.620 --> 01:01:42.340
that's all I can remember right now.

722
01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:44.660
But they all got translated as hell.

723
01:01:44.660 --> 01:01:45.820
If you actually look at the context,

724
01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:47.300
he was actually talking about the rubbish dump

725
01:01:47.300 --> 01:01:49.660
out of Jerusalem, but we interpret it,

726
01:01:49.660 --> 01:01:51.100
we look at it from our context as,

727
01:01:51.100 --> 01:01:53.340
oh, this is about hell, oh my gosh,

728
01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:54.860
he's talking about a rubbish dump,

729
01:01:55.140 --> 01:01:57.060
a place just over there that I can see.

730
01:01:59.020 --> 01:02:01.940
So not getting into that,

731
01:02:01.940 --> 01:02:02.940
coming back to this question,

732
01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:04.180
we're gonna wrap this up pretty shortly.

733
01:02:04.180 --> 01:02:05.420
But the question is,

734
01:02:05.420 --> 01:02:10.420
what would change if hell didn't exist?

735
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:14.420
Okay, and so the reason that's an issue

736
01:02:14.420 --> 01:02:18.380
is because so many people just do what they do

737
01:02:18.380 --> 01:02:19.980
out of obligation.

738
01:02:19.980 --> 01:02:21.900
And if you're doing what you're doing out of fear,

739
01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:24.060
or if you're doing what you're doing out of obligation,

740
01:02:24.060 --> 01:02:27.140
or if you're doing what you're doing because of hell,

741
01:02:27.140 --> 01:02:30.340
you've got the wrong motivation.

742
01:02:30.340 --> 01:02:32.140
Because you're not supposed to do what you're doing

743
01:02:32.140 --> 01:02:35.260
out of fear, obligation, or because of hell,

744
01:02:35.260 --> 01:02:39.820
you're supposed to do what you do because of who you are.

745
01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:42.980
And if you know who you are, you are love,

746
01:02:42.980 --> 01:02:46.100
and you do what you do because you are love.

747
01:02:46.100 --> 01:02:49.420
And if you are love, right, if you are love,

748
01:02:49.420 --> 01:02:52.340
the existence of hell is irrelevant

749
01:02:52.340 --> 01:02:55.860
to how you want to impact people's lives, okay?

750
01:02:55.860 --> 01:03:00.860
And it's not, if you're,

751
01:03:03.140 --> 01:03:04.940
if you understand that you are love

752
01:03:04.940 --> 01:03:06.740
and your motivation is love,

753
01:03:06.740 --> 01:03:10.140
your motivation is not just to get people into heaven,

754
01:03:10.140 --> 01:03:13.260
your motivation is that you really help people right now.

755
01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:16.860
Oh my gosh, people are suffering hell right now.

756
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:19.740
We need to help people right now, right?

757
01:03:19.740 --> 01:03:22.180
We need to help people right now

758
01:03:23.020 --> 01:03:24.340
and the best way that we're gonna help them right now

759
01:03:24.340 --> 01:03:25.740
is bring heaven to earth.

760
01:03:26.620 --> 01:03:29.980
Like we want to bring real change into their life.

761
01:03:29.980 --> 01:03:32.260
We're not just concerned, like, did they pray a prayer?

762
01:03:32.260 --> 01:03:35.900
No, we're concerned for the holistic transformation

763
01:03:35.900 --> 01:03:37.820
of their entire life.

764
01:03:37.820 --> 01:03:42.220
What we're concerned for is that the life of Christ

765
01:03:42.220 --> 01:03:44.940
comes to full fruition in them.

766
01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:45.780
That's what we want.

767
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:48.180
We want heaven on earth for people.

768
01:03:48.180 --> 01:03:52.140
We want the divine life manifest in people's lives.

769
01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:55.180
We want the fruition of all the promises

770
01:03:55.180 --> 01:03:56.300
that God has for them.

771
01:03:56.300 --> 01:03:59.340
We want them living in the fullness of heaven on earth.

772
01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:01.940
We want them living in the fullness of all their promises

773
01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:04.700
and all their gifts being right now, okay?

774
01:04:04.700 --> 01:04:07.820
So that's what we want.

775
01:04:07.820 --> 01:04:11.220
Yeah, great, Rowan there, quoting 1 John 4 as well.

776
01:04:11.220 --> 01:04:14.180
The perfect love casts out all fear, absolutely.

777
01:04:14.180 --> 01:04:18.180
So our motivation is not to be fear or obligation or hell.

778
01:04:18.180 --> 01:04:21.780
Our motivation, the thing that moves us is who we are.

779
01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:23.620
It's not because of how we love,

780
01:04:23.620 --> 01:04:26.780
because it's who we are.

781
01:04:26.780 --> 01:04:29.940
And then the other dynamic that I want to just say

782
01:04:29.940 --> 01:04:32.820
where I'm seeing a real issue popping up for people

783
01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:37.820
is people exploring this concept, right?

784
01:04:37.820 --> 01:04:38.660
So there's people going,

785
01:04:38.660 --> 01:04:41.300
yeah, we're free to explore this concept, whoo,

786
01:04:41.300 --> 01:04:43.460
which is great, you know, I celebrate that.

787
01:04:43.460 --> 01:04:46.260
But then they're coming to this conclusion, right?

788
01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:48.860
And this is Christians.

789
01:04:48.860 --> 01:04:53.860
Christians coming to conclusions that kind of miss,

790
01:04:55.140 --> 01:04:58.340
that are, again, not connected to their identity, right?

791
01:04:58.340 --> 01:05:00.060
So Christians that come.

792
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.400
to conclusions like say they say they come to a conclusion we've seen this a lot right we see a

793
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:09.360
lot of Christians going oh no everyone gets saved right everyone gets saved so why bother doing

794
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:18.000
anything it's exactly the same problem right it's like dude you've got a major identity problem what

795
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:22.400
do you mean and so there's no motivation at all because like everyone gets saved well there's no

796
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:28.160
point in doing it that's the same right as the same conclusion that people came to in extreme

797
01:05:28.160 --> 01:05:33.200
Calvinism right well like well God does everything so there's no point in us doing anything anyway

798
01:05:33.200 --> 01:05:39.680
so they just sit back and do nothing and let the world go to hell right so that is a major

799
01:05:39.680 --> 01:05:47.440
major issue again and it that issue too flows out of an identity problem right it flows out

800
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:53.680
of an identity issue it's like hey you're not grounded and established in love because if you

801
01:05:53.680 --> 01:05:59.680
were grounded and established in love then you wouldn't go oh well we don't need to do anything

802
01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:06.000
because there's people suffering all around you there's people in desperate need if you understood

803
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:11.200
that you'd probably even realize that your own life is really dysfunctional and you need the

804
01:06:11.200 --> 01:06:17.200
Christ life in you right so there's this other major issue there with it's like oh my gosh people

805
01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:21.840
like Christians are exploring all this they're getting the books on it and they're going shallow

806
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:27.200
they're missing it you know like they're going oh yeah everyone gets saved like God restores

807
01:06:27.200 --> 01:06:32.000
everything yeah cool I don't have to do anything it's like what that is just as much an identity

808
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:42.480
crisis you know as as the person who is living in in this place of fear and obligation those are two

809
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:46.080
major problems that we've got happening in the world right now so there are two things to be

810
01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:54.640
majorly concerned about but let me let me um I think I've got I think I've got two questions

811
01:06:54.640 --> 01:07:00.480
to so this this other here's another thing right because remember we what we talked about at the

812
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:11.360
start um Michelle's saying we do things to make life better what I'm saying is we do things out

813
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:20.240
of love right we do John 5 19 which she said I do what I see the father doing we do Matthew

814
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:27.280
6 9 and 10 which was we bring heaven to earth we so if you look at what the father was doing in the

815
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:33.600
life of Jesus he was always serving people he was always love looks like something right so

816
01:07:34.240 --> 01:07:40.480
so love looks like something if we understand our identity love looks like something and we

817
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:46.080
step into that right love has purpose love has destiny love fights for the least of these love

818
01:07:46.720 --> 01:07:52.640
um love rages against the giants of darkness love fights for nations love disciples nations loves

819
01:07:52.640 --> 01:07:59.440
destroys poverty love destroys abuse love fights like um you know like William Booth said I'll

820
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:04.000
fight I'll fight to the very end you know love looks like something so that's what I'm saying

821
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.280
is you know when people have an identity issue they'll just go like oh it doesn't matter it's

822
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:16.319
like whoa dude love fights man love is seriously engaged in what's happening right now another

823
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:21.279
reason why the conversation of hell is really important is because remember our very most

824
01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:31.920
foundational belief is our image of God now um if you were to take two dangerous thoughts right two

825
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:38.479
dangerous perspectives that I disagree with right here's two dangerous perspectives that I totally

826
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:45.520
disagree with and ask which one's most dangerous all right so which which perspective is more

827
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:51.359
dangerous okay the perspective of Unitarian Universalism which is a Christless salvation

828
01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:58.240
right I don't endorse that that's a lie it's not a thing we don't endorse Unitarian Universalism

829
01:08:58.240 --> 01:09:05.279
the concept is a Christless salvation right but another lie which I also don't endorse is

830
01:09:06.160 --> 01:09:11.920
Calvinism's concept of double predestination where God before the foundation of the world

831
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:19.040
and this is considered a Christian doctrine okay this is Unitarian Universalism is not part of

832
01:09:19.040 --> 01:09:27.120
never been on the Christian spectrum of belief Calvinism extreme Calvinism is strongly on the

833
01:09:27.120 --> 01:09:31.680
Christian spectrum right you know it has been millions of Christians around the world believe

834
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:36.000
this but which is more dangerous Unitarian Universalism which is a Christless salvation

835
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:47.200
which I don't endorse or um a Calvinism which says God pre-designed that the majority of humanity

836
01:09:47.200 --> 01:09:51.920
would suffer unending unspeakable torments forever and that gives him great pleasure and he is

837
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:58.720
actually involved in the torment of all of these of all of this you know of all of what's going on

838
01:09:58.720 --> 01:09:59.840
which one creates

839
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:04.400
a worse image of God.

840
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:10.240
Calvinist one. I think actually, to be honest, I think actually the Calvinist

841
01:10:10.240 --> 01:10:16.480
image of God is more dangerous because that would drive a person

842
01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:19.920
away from God. That would drive you into hiding. You would not actually

843
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:23.200
feel safe around that God, whereas the Unitarian Universalism

844
01:10:23.200 --> 01:10:26.640
doesn't really even say much about God. It's kind of like this open,

845
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:31.520
it's kind of a new, almost a new agey kind of space, which is actually,

846
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:35.040
like I said, I'm not endorsing that, but I'm just saying one completely

847
01:10:35.040 --> 01:10:38.080
corrupts your image of God, and one doesn't really say much about your

848
01:10:38.080 --> 01:10:44.960
image of God. So they're both extremely dangerous, but my point is

849
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:50.640
that in the Christian spectrum of belief, we celebrate this

850
01:10:50.640 --> 01:11:02.960
image of a maniacal being gets celebrated, and it's not

851
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:06.400
challenged. It's not even talked about like that's an issue, but I'm

852
01:11:06.400 --> 01:11:10.480
kind of like, okay guys, that might be an issue, right? That might be an

853
01:11:10.480 --> 01:11:15.440
issue that's causing us to have a corrupt image of God, and remember our

854
01:11:15.440 --> 01:11:20.240
image of God becomes a demon aircraft carrier that all of the satanic

855
01:11:20.240 --> 01:11:23.600
infrastructure gets built on. So I'm kind of like, guys, do we realize that

856
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.600
we're causing all our own problems? Do you wonder, are you wondering why

857
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:32.240
Christians have got so many problems? It's because we established a demonic

858
01:11:32.240 --> 01:11:36.720
aircraft carrier with these corrupt images of God that set people up to

859
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:41.520
fail and be oppressed and live in bondage, rather than stepping into the

860
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:45.440
Christ-like, where they've got the divine-like manifest in them, which is

861
01:11:45.440 --> 01:11:48.320
what happens when you discover the Father, which is why I like

862
01:11:48.400 --> 01:11:53.120
Trinitarianism, because the whole focus of Trinitarianism is helping people

863
01:11:53.120 --> 01:11:59.120
to reveal the Father, helping people to discover the image of who God really

864
01:11:59.120 --> 01:12:07.840
is. So there you go, I think that's us for today, and we'll pick up again next

865
01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:16.400
week with part two. It'll be Origins of the Gospel, it'll be PowerPoint, and

866
01:12:16.480 --> 01:12:19.360
we'll look at some of these historical characters who've been teaching this

867
01:12:19.360 --> 01:12:27.920
stuff. What do you think? Yeah, sounds good. Wonderful, Benji, thank you so

868
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:34.800
much. Welcome. Any last comments or feedback from anyone? Anyone got anything

869
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:41.200
burning on their heart that they wanted to jump out and say? I'm loving reading

870
01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:48.160
John. It's so good to revisit it, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. I've been reading

871
01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:55.920
it in the Passion Translation with some of the notes, and one of the verses that

872
01:12:55.920 --> 01:13:02.880
sticks out that I just love is that picture of the, I can't remember if it's

873
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:08.800
John 6, I think it is, the picture of the crippled man by the pool, and how

874
01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:17.120
Jesus heals him and says, but heals him by saying, get up with your mat and walk,

875
01:13:17.120 --> 01:13:22.800
and that picture of rest, he's actually saying, he did it on the Sabbath,

876
01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:29.200
but he's actually in the action saying the Sabbath is something you carry around

877
01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:37.600
with you all the time. You are a person of rest. There's no sin in you now, you are

878
01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:47.280
rest, and I just love that picture. I think it's so cool. Beautiful, fantastic, love it.

879
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:55.360
So, was someone else going to jump in there just quickly before we wrap up? Benji, can I ask a

880
01:13:55.360 --> 01:14:04.480
quick question? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, with our declarations, the one of vision, is that

881
01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:13.040
more the vision how we see ourselves, or is that the vision that we have for how we want to see

882
01:14:13.040 --> 01:14:20.160
the earth, or how we want to see the earth restored? It can be anything at all, you just ask this

883
01:14:20.160 --> 01:14:27.120
question, what do you want, and then fill in the blanks. Yeah, okay. What do you want, that's your vision.

884
01:14:27.120 --> 01:14:33.280
So, what do you want, fill in the blanks, and you can ask that question as, you know,

885
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:38.560
with as much detail as you like, you know, you can answer the question as detailed as you like,

886
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:42.240
about anything that you like, and yeah. Okay, thank you.

887
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All right, Benji, we'll bless you all, catch you soon, love you.

888
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So, let's keep up with the daily side of things, and let's, I just want to encourage, I guess the

889
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thing I would like to challenge everyone on is keeping your accountability.

890
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levels high on the posts each day right so each day I'm dropping the posts in there and I want to

891
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encourage everyone and challenge you with accountability on that because this is where

892
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you're going to see the growth is the consistency and the accountability and actually doing it on

893
01:15:17.360 --> 01:15:23.120
the daily okay so you want to um I'm trying to keep you accountable to your greatness that's

894
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what I'm wanting to see is I want to see your greatness and where I want to see your greatness

895
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:32.880
is I want to see your greatness demonstrated with um you know like actually engaging every day like

896
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:37.600
putting up your picture or putting up like how you're doing so that's that's an accountability

897
01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:43.840
dynamic that will drive you to greatness so I'd love to challenge you with all that you're like

898
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:45.040
really I'm going to put you

899
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it's frozen

900
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I want to see you guys getting in on it sweet sweet well I love you bless you bye