Hallelujah.
Kia ora whānau.
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
Tā mi a hō. Kia ora.
Hey Scotty. Kia ora Sheree. Stuart. Catherine.
Hallelujah. Morning Marina. Oops sorry.
Bit of an earthquake going on over here. Not.
Hallelujah.
Welcome to day 18.
As you can see behind me. Day 18 but not much on the board.
Sorry.
Praise you Jesus.
Whānau.
It's about over 400 comments on yesterday's kōrero on church government.
Okay. Benji just messaged me and said that the handout day 18 is on the embassy site now.
And so we're going to go through that tomorrow because I've got the.
I'm going to take you through the stuff and I want you to get a copy of what I'm going to be teaching.
Because I'm going to help you fill in. It's a kinesthetic study.
And so it's got. I could send it to you with all the notes but no pictures.
And I don't operate without pictures. Jesus always used parables, pictures.
And I'm a kinesthetic teacher and I like to teach kinesthetically.
Not just by hearing but by seeing at the same time.
And so on the study that you're going to be getting there's pictures that help illustrate what I'm trying to say.
So having said that.
Having said that whānau.
I wanted to go on to part two of church government today.
But like I said I'm going to wait to do that tomorrow.
So actually tomorrow is Saturday isn't it. It's going to be the next day.
So anyway tomorrow or after the session please go into the embassy site which you're already on.
And if you can print out if you can print out the study the study notes day 18 that'll be good.
If you can't print it out it's okay.
You know I will give you the answers to put in because you've got blanks I think.
Anyway I'm not sure.
But we're on a roll.
So kingdom church government and kingdom expansion are synonymous.
They work together.
When the house is in order the kingdom impact is in order.
When there's unity in the house there's commanded blessing on the house.
When there's division in the house a house divided against itself shall not stand.
And you know I love the body of Christ.
I love the church.
Actually I've just spoken on Radio Rima about the 730 lift up a clap, a praise, sing the national anthem over our nation.
I love the church and I'm not in any way criticizing the church.
Without the church even in its present form I wouldn't be where I am today.
However God wants to bring divine order back into his house.
And so I'm just teaching stuff that I learnt and put together 2008.
So that's what that 10, 11 years ago.
And I taught it to our church and they received it.
I taught it but that didn't seem to be very popular to 11 years ago.
And so I took it to India and I taught it in India about church government and kingdom development and transformation.
And they received it incredibly.
The church grew from, as I said yesterday, it grew from 130 to 3,007 years.
And many of the principles were that the church operates according to church government and kingdom expansion.
And so for the last, what, 11 years, this has been just, this stuff has been sitting in my house.
a folder for 11 years, which has been sitting in my office for the time, and it's not the
first time that God hasn't given me something to sit on for decades.
So anyway, I can't help but thinking that it's new wineskin time, and so the things
I'm talking about, because as an apostle, I'm also a pioneer, and it's not because
I'm somebody, it's just because God created me like this, I'm a pioneer, I'm not a settler.
So as a pioneer, pioneers carve a path where there's no path, that's the ministry of
an apostle, prophet-apostle ministering together, they carve paths where there are no paths,
and if there's no one to go before us, and of course I submit to other apostles and prophets
in our nation and around the world, I've got a connection, and it's on a friendship,
it's on a relational level, not a dominational level, okay, I'm connected with other apostles
and prophets in this nation, and around the nation, around the world, and it's on a relational,
not denominational, okay, in fact some of these guys that I work with, some of these
ladies that I work with, males and females, five-folds, there's no gender, in that sense,
I don't even know, I don't even know what their denomination is of their church, if you ask me,
I wouldn't, I don't know, all I know is I've got a heart for Jesus, and the kingdom heart,
that they love God, and they love people, and they love the church, and we just, and so that's
relational, not denominational, and so, but all that to say that I have a pioneer ministry of
breaking through where there's no path, and I've had to break through into areas, into areas of
healing, for instance, I'm pioneering and breaking through, not just for my ministry to heal, but
showing others how to break through, and to release the supernatural culture of Christ into their
lives, into their ministry, into their churches, and so this stuff that I'm going to be teaching
about church government, and kingdom expansion, there's probably about two or three more studies
to do, so we'll do, we're going to do on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, and in that time I'll be
able to get the other studies sent through to you as well, I didn't bother emailing them to you,
because they're just going to, there's, you know, there's hundreds of you guys watching this,
so it's going to take all year to send an email, so unless you know, someone knows how to get all
the emails, put them together, send them to me, so I can just send one email out, and it gets to
everybody, if there's anybody out there in Facebook land, if you've got the technical
knowledge to do that, the gifting to do that, it's not my gifting, I know how to cast our devils, heal
the sick, and break through in areas, but I don't, technology, I only use it for what I, you know, only
I know my limitations, so if anyone out there knows how to do that, kaiti pai, well, so I break
through a pioneer, and so this stuff that's been written, it's, the word new wineskin keeps coming,
and the old wineskin, you know, the old wineskin, either to get, to soften the old wineskin up,
either put it in water and let it soak until it becomes pliable again, or just get a whole new
wineskin, and I can't help but thinking that God is softening the church up, that God is softening
believers' hearts up, that maybe God is softening us up over this 30-day period, so that we're going
to be more pliable to change, more pliable to allowing God to build the church His way,
and like I say, there's great churches in this nation that are being led by great leaders,
great pastors, great teachers, and great apostles, and prophets, great churches, I'm not putting them
down, and praise God we've got that, but there's good, and there's better, and there's best,
and we want best, we want, you know, we want it God's way, where there's a
collaboration and a collective of national apostles, and national prophets, and
national evangelists, and national pastors, and national teachers, that we're working together
on a relational level, not a denominational level, and where it's just Jesus is the heart, and the
kingdom is the kaupapa, and when we have that, and it doesn't mean we all have to try to copy
one another, and try to imitate one another, it's not about that, it's about imitating Christ,
and it's about us fulfilling what God has called us to do, and at our neck of the
woods, what God has called you and me to do.
to do, what God's called your church, my church to do, that we work together in collaboration.
There are 12 tribes of Israel, and every tribe is different. I mean, the Benjamites, they're
fighters. They can knock your eye out with a stone from 100 meters. And Judah, praise
and worship. And the Levites, into the ministry, into the tabernacle of the Lord. And Ephraim,
the double portion people. Every tribe has a different strength, a different personality.
But when those tribes come together, they form one nation. Yeah? One nation. They might have
different strengths, different personalities, and different assignments, but they're all the tribe
of Israel. They're one nation. And in the book of Revelations, you read about seven churches that
Jesus is speaking to. Again, they're in different locations. They have different strengths. They
have different weaknesses as well. They have different personalities, but they're His body.
Twelve disciples, twelve different leaders, different personalities, different strengths,
different abilities. But they came together to form the foundation of the house of God,
of the body of Christ. They might be 12 different men, but they're all one. They're part of the
church. And when we can catch that revelation, that, okay, we all have differences. House of
Breakthrough Tairaafeti is different to House of Breakthrough Oamaru. House of Breakthrough Oamaru
is different to House of Breakthrough India. We are different, but we have the same principles
and the same patterns. We have relational connection. And we work together for God's
cause to do in our neck of the woods, in our town, in our city, in our nation. And we're not
trying, we're not in competition with other churches. We're not in competition with other,
because they're our brothers, our sisters. It's like when the kingdom of Israel was divided,
when they're in competition with each other. But when they came united under David, whoa,
when they were united under Joshua, nothing was impossible. When the kingdom of Israel was united
under Joshua, under a leadership appointed by God, when they came together, they took the land,
they took possession of the land. And I believe when the body of Christ comes together, united
under relational, not denominational, that we're going to take this land. We're going to take it.
It's the inheritance. What I mean, take the land of the people of the land,
giving Jesus so that people can choose the God of heaven. It's not that we enforce or impose
Christianity on anybody, but there is a way of, of reflecting Christ, lifting Christ up over our
land, over our people. Hallelujah. So I'm going to be getting into detail on the continuing of the,
of the church government. And so the, what I'm going to do on Tuesday is about the church. What
is the church? And because a lot of confusion out there, what the church is, what is the pattern of
the church? So in the lesson, I'm going to illustrate the importance of building the
church according to God's pattern. I'm going to explain what the pattern is, and then I'm going
to show you how you can be part of the, of the solution, part of building, part of the pattern
for building God's awesome church. Okay. Now I know I can hear out there, my pastor's controlling,
but my, this, all that, all this negativity out there. I understand, but God, God is doing
something. You know, I believe that the Holy Spirit is soaking us over the 30 day period.
And there's a, where, you know, there's a, a flexibility coming in the hearts of God's people
and I pray that in his leaders and that they're going to be more willing, perhaps to change and
to consider looking at what would church look like built according to God's pattern. How does,
how does that look? What does it look like? Don't ask me. I've got the revelation of it.
I've got the interpretation of it, but the application of it, that's not my part. See,
I taught about the, the, the, the three, three levels of the three parts of, of what a prophet
or an apostle must have revelation, interpretation, and application. And we don't get the whole three.
We only get the two. Let one prophet speak and by two or three, by another two or three,
they weigh up what he's saying. And that's when, when we come together collectively,
when the apostles came together, the prophets came together and they weighed up what was being said,
and they got the mind of Christ. We have the mind of Christ, not me, me, me, we, we, we,
as plural, not singular. And I think that's been a problem in the body of Christ for a long time
as that got strong leaders and doing great things for God and, and totally anointed.
You know, God's power has fruit.
fruit of the evidence is upon them. But sometimes, you know, we can get caught up and think that,
I've got the key. Me has got the key. And you can look down on smaller churches,
well, you aren't as big as me. So, you know, maybe you need to learn from me. But it doesn't
deny that. It doesn't matter about the size of the churches. Is that a person with a gifting of
God on their life. I know there are apostles, there are prophets, they may not have great
ministries that are shaking the world, but they have insights that I need. They have insights,
and we're going to look beyond the size of our ministry and look to the gifting that God has
graced each member of the body of Christ, especially when it comes to the fivefold
leadership. And we've got to look beyond the size of the ministry, the size of the church,
and look at the function or the gifting of God upon that leader. And the things we have to look
for, of course, is, it's got to be some fruit, because if we're connected to Jesus, you can't
help but be fruitful. So there's got to be evidence of fruit, but more than fruit, there's
got to be evidence of the character of God, the character of Christ. So, you know, the dove has
got two wings, of course, every bird's got two wings. But I heard that the dove has nine bones
or nine feathers on one wing and nine on the other. I don't know whether that's right or not,
but it sounds nice and spiritual. But nine is a number of the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit,
the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit. And that God wants us to grow up, that believers that know how
to move in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but they don't have the character of Jesus, then that's an
unbalanced thing. That doesn't represent Jesus. And then, on the other hand, believers who move
in the fruits of Jesus, the character of Jesus, the love and the compassion and the mercy,
but they don't move in the supernatural, the power of Jesus, that's also an imbalance.
Having said that, I'd rather work with somebody who's got the character of Christ
and that doesn't move in power, than work with somebody who's got the power of Christ,
but doesn't have the character. I'd rather have the character, because at the end of the day,
God is not more so much concerned about what we do as who we become.
At the end of the day, God is working on not so much, He's not impressed so much by what we do,
but who we become. Did we become like His Son? Did we allow Him to conform us to the image of
the firstborn, Romans 8, 29? It's who I become. It's who I become as a son to God is of greater
focus and a greater
priority in the heart of the Father than just what I do for Him. You know, you can do a lot
of things for God, but it doesn't mean you're mature. You can raise the dead for God. You can
do miracles for God. You can prophesy for God. But if it's reflecting the power of God, but not the
nature of God, it's a false witness. It's not bearing witness to Jesus. And we're given power
to bear witness to Jesus. And just to bear the power, but not the character of Christ,
it's bearing false witness. Acts 1.8, you shall receive power from on high. You shall receive
power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you, and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea,
Samaria, and the outermost parts. And so, just because a person moves in the power of God,
doesn't mean they're mature. It doesn't mean, okay, I'm going somewhere with this.
So, Paul said to the Corinthian church, you can prophesy. You can have the gift of faith to move
mountains. You could speak in the tongues of men and angels. You could sacrifice everything to give
to the poor. But he said, you've got no love. You've got nothing. You're just clinging on.
And so, what does God look like? God is love. What does the character of Jesus look like?
It's love. It's love. And so, Paul's saying you can have all the gifts, basically, the Corinthian
church, but you don't have the nature of Christ. You're just playing, playing, playing. And you
know that. You've seen people operate in the power of God, but there's something bitter.
There's something, there's something about them that's not gelling with your spirit.
Okay? And so, to have the power of God, but not the nature, the character of God develop,
it's an imbalance. But to have the character of God, but not the nature of God,
rather, to have the character of Christ, the nature of God, but not the power of God,
that's also an imbalance. Okay? And Jesus wants to build his church out of sons and daughters
who are walking in balance. You shall receive power.
after the Holy Spirit comes upon you should be my witnesses. So to be a
witness means to have the character and the power. Now you've got to be careful you
don't focus on the power of God. You've got to be careful you're not focusing on
your destiny more than your identity. Make sure you're establishing
your identity first, destiny second. Identity first, destiny second. Identity
first, destiny second. Know who you are first before knowing what you're called
to do. Know who you are first before knowing what you're called to do. Know
who you are first in Christ before you're trying to find out what you're
called to do. Because if all you focus on is what you're called to do and you're
achieving things all the time and you'll never be happy, you'll never be content
because a sense of achievement will never replace a sense of significance.
And significance is about who you are. Significance is a state of being and
destiny or ministry is a state of doing. And you can do and do and do stuff for
God and still not know Him. You can do stuff for God and still not be close to
Him and not even know who you really are. And you've been doing stuff for God out
of an effort to please Him. Because you don't know. You already please Him.
You haven't got that revelation that He loves you for who you are. He doesn't
love you for what you do for Him. He loves you for who you are. He loved you
before you gave your life to Him. While we were yet sinners, this is love. That
God loved us. He loved you before you did anything for Him. So the fact that you
get born again and you start doing stuff for God and thinking that God's going to
be pleased with you now, it's deception. To think that God's
going to love you now because you're doing these works for God. You've
got a ministry and you're doing stuff. You're achieving things for God. To
think that God loves you now is a deception. He loved you before. And you've
got to get this in your heart. You've got to get the revelation that He loves you
for who you are. It doesn't mean you don't do anything until you get that
revelation. I didn't. I just went out there and did stuff that I could. And in my
journey with Jesus, He revealed more and more how much He loved me. And so
my motive behind doing things for God became more and more away from trying to
please God to, wow, I am pleasing to God. And so my motivation behind what I did
changed after over a few years actually. You grow into this. It doesn't
come at once. And so don't focus primarily on your ministry
and neglecting your character. We'll talk about that shortly. You know, there
was a group in Luke, I think it was, and Jesus said, many will come to me on that
day and say, Lord, Lord, didn't we cast out devils in your name, prophesied in your
own name, all these wonderful miracles in your name. And the Lord says,
I didn't know you guys. I didn't know you. And it's better to know
Jesus. And it's better to know that you're known by Jesus. It's better to
focus on relationship. See, Jesus is not impressed by their ministry. He's not
impressed by the things they did for him. He said, I didn't know you. I didn't know
you guys. It's more important to know Jesus and for you to know him and him to
know you. It's more important to have a relationship with Jesus first, not
ministry with Jesus. And so that's been one of the great, I guess it happens
in every generation, but unfortunately I've seen it as quite a widespread
thing in our nation. See, before I was born again, I was an insecure guy, very
insecure. I hated being Māori for a start because me and my brothers and
sister, we were the only Māoris in the school down in Ōmaru at the time, so we
used to get called nigger and darkie. And so I grew up with the disdain of being
Māori. I also didn't want to be poor and my parents were poor. And I loved my
parents, but a lot of the other kids came from wealthy farmer
families and we didn't. And so I felt sort of a sense of shame and it
wasn't them. They didn't impose that on me. This was just my perception and I
perceived myself as just a poor, insecure Māori. And I hated my identity.
I hated who I was. And so I grew up with this chronic, I would call it
chronic insecurity. It got so bad, it's funny now, but when I was, I don't know
what the age would be, nine, ten, twelve, I don't know.
But me and my brother, we would get Johnson's baby talcum powder, white powder,
and we would rub it in our arms, and on our face, and on our legs, so we could try and look like Pākehā kids.
See, I had this deep, deep sense of insecurity, and so we'd put talcum powder on to look like a Pākehā kid.
As I grew up, this deep insecurity, this sense of rejection, as I grew up, it began to work in me,
and it turned from insecurity and rejection to rebellion. And I grew up, in my teenage years,
in my adolescent years, I just had this resentment towards society,
which I imposed on myself. I felt that everyone was rejecting me, that everyone looked down on me,
so as I grew up, I thought, I'll stuff you, then I'll give the world the finger.
And so as I grew out of that, as I left high school, while I was at high school, Waitaki Boys High School,
one of the best in the nation, my dream every day was to be a Hells Angel. My career choice was to
be a Hells Angel. And I just wanted to live a life of rebellion, and a life that stuffed the world.
And I was taught evolution, and evolution teaches that there's no future, that you come from nothing,
you go to nothing. You come from a black hole, and you go to a black hole. And so, because I
didn't know Jesus, that's the only teaching that I had about life. I thought, that sucks.
If all we do when we die is go to a black hole, and no one remembers the good or evil that we did,
why do good? If no one's going to remember whether you're Adolf Hitler or Mother Teresa, why do good?
And so the seed of rebellion got into me, and I became a white man. I got around with the gangs,
and caused heartache, and hell, and caused heart attacks to my own father, because there's a deep,
deep sense of insecurity. There's a deep, deep sense of not knowing who am I, my identity.
I was so fearful, and so insecure, that unless I was drinking, then I was bold as brass.
But I was so insecure, that my best friend asked me to be his best man at his wedding,
years and years, this was decades ago. And I knew if I become his best man, that I'm going to have
to do a speech at the wedding. And that just scared the crap out of me. And I refused. I just,
I had to, I had to, I had to, I didn't accept the invitation, the honor of my best friend. I,
I turned him down, broke his heart. And he never understood why. And the reason why,
because I was so insecure, to stand up in front of people and speak. Oh, shame. So I carried a
lot of shame, a lot of a sense of shame and insecurity in my life. It was chronic. This
is right up till about age 22. And it was when I was 22, when I had an encounter with God.
And if you, I don't know if I shared my testimony with you the first,
well, I'll share it with you now. How did I meet Jesus? I met the devil first,
and then I met Jesus. I met the devil and Jesus on the same night. And it was after I met Jesus,
that I discovered who I was. And so we'll come back to that. Is that okay? Let's put it on pause.
Okay, this is how I met Jesus. I was living in Sydney at the time, in a place called Waverley,
which is on the border of Bondi Junction and Bondi. And my best friend was a, was a pimp.
He had pushed heroin. And he also had had a high class prostitute working for him.
And as well as made his wife work in a massage parlor. And he was bringing home six to eight
hundred dollars, or she was bringing home, his prostitute was bringing home six to eight hundred
bucks a night. So we would party, smoke drugs, hire cars. And because I was a fighter and I
liked to fight, and I was a, I was trained to be middleweight, a middleweight boxing champ by 27.
That was my goal back then. And so I was training every day. And I could fight. I loved to fight.
He, because we were best friends, when he went selling drugs, doing the deals, he took me with
him to be like his minder, which I didn't mind because, you know, I got, I got free dope for it.
So he was my best friend and we were like that. And one day, my best friend, he slowly started
getting impressed. And one day we're going to the King's Cross and he had his prostitute in the
back seat while she was driving her over there. And he just snapped in his brain because he had
a car accident and he had damaged his brain cells or brain cells. And, but he kept taking LSD and
chemicals and drugs. We both did. And those chemicals began to eat away at the, what I sense,
what I understand was at the, um,
damaged nerves, or the damaged brain cells.
And he, so he's driving and he just stops the car
in the middle of the street, puts the brakes on,
and he climbed over the back seat
and he's trying to strangle this high class prostitute.
So I had to grab him and just pull him off
or, you know, try and put him back,
snap him, slap him together.
And I remember thinking at that time,
far mate, you need, you're a mess.
You need to get a grip on your life.
And I thought, you know, my life was bad enough,
but my mate, he was worse.
And I know, I love my mate, still do.
So anyway, he's frothing at the mouth
and he's driving the car,
I think, far, what's wrong with you, man?
And then he'd come right and then he'd go crazy again.
So he was up and down, he was just a real unusual,
going through some hell, he has a few demons in him.
And so anyway, one day he lived in Vaucluse,
a posh suburb in Sydney,
and it was way up and they had this little cable car
that took you up to the door of this big drug flat.
So it looked like Disneyland
and it was brought in on drug money, he had the best.
So one day I went up there,
cause I would go up there and party all the time.
One day I went up there and he's gone.
The house is empty, the furniture's gone,
there's no one there.
So I thought he's been busted, he must be in jail.
And, but I found out a few weeks later
that he's not busted,
he's living in a little flat over at King's Cross.
So I found out where he was,
I wasn't a Christian at the time.
So I went over there, I thought we'll party.
And I had a bottle of Jim Beam
and a big bag of dope in my pocket.
And I banged on the door and buzzed him
and he looked out the window,
he, Norm, Norm, come up.
So I was like, where you been, you mongrel?
That's how we were.
And so he let me up, I was running up the stairs,
opened the door, went into the flat
and there's, he's sitting on the,
we're giving him a hug.
He's sitting there, his wife and his prostitute.
And they're all sitting there beaming, just smiling.
And I got the bottle of Jim Beam
and I said, come on, let's party.
Where have you guys been?
Tell me what's been happening and blah, blah, blah.
And they said, oh, have you been drinking, Norm?
Oh, it stinks.
I said, yeah, yeah, of course I have.
This is what we do.
And they said, we don't need that anymore.
We found Jesus.
What?
He said, we found Jesus.
Because I thought they were stoned
because they were so happy.
I said, what are you guys on?
He says, we're not on anything.
We found Jesus.
Now, if it was anyone else, I think,
oh, what a lot of crap.
In fact, I said, oh, no, come on.
That's what, he's a fairy tale.
It's like Easter bunny and all that.
He's not real.
He's like Santa Claus.
But my mate, because we're like that,
he says, nah, man, he told me I was so depressed
that I nearly lost it.
And I cried out of my heart to Jesus
because I know who he is.
So my mate was from Thessalonica.
He's a Greek guy, Greek fella.
He had it tattooed across his puku, Thessalonica.
And he says, and I gave my life to Jesus
and he put my mind back in the right place.
And he said, I'm never going back.
I said, what?
And then his wife and the prostitute says,
we saw the change in him.
We thought, this is for real.
And so they turned to Jesus as well.
And the ex prostitute, she married a preacher.
She's in Greece, as far as I know.
And so I'm looking and I'm listening
and I'm stoned, I'm drunk,
but after listening to them, I'm straight as.
And I know this has to be for real.
Jesus must be real
because nothing could change my mate.
And he's my mate.
He's not lying to me.
And I can see the change in his life.
And over the next few weeks, months,
I saw the change in his life.
The fire, Jesus is real.
But for me, it was a bit of a problem.
I thought, oh, if Jesus is real, the devil's real,
heaven's real, hell's real.
And if I die, I know I'll go to hell,
but I don't want to be a good Christian.
And so I said to my mate, I says,
how do I get to heaven without having to be
like a Christian?
He says, it's not about religion, Norm.
It's about having a relationship with Jesus.
And he says, on your deepest, darkest moment,
a time in life, on your deepest night of your life,
call on the name of Jesus.
Call on the name of the Lord.
He'll help you, Norm.
I said, oh, whatever.
And so there's a bit of a dilemma in my heart.
There's a heaven and a hell.
And I know if I died, I'd go to hell.
But at the same time, I don't want to be a Christian
because I thought it was about rules and regulations.
Okay, move forward about, I don't know,
two months, three months.
I don't know what the timeframe is.
It was back in 77.
So now I'm with some mates and we're having a session.
So we got a bong and we're sucking up the old hash.
And the hash is, it's crap hash
that mafia put stricken horse tranquilizer
to give it more of a boost.
And that's what they would do over there.
They can cure it.
So I was sucking up this horse,
this hash laced with horse tranquilizer.
Now I was born with a heart murmur.
And so when I was sucking in the hash,
you know, the horse tranquilizer.
It's full of horse hearts.
When it hit me, my heart went crazy.
We actually, all of us in the house OD'd.
They all fell on the floor.
I fell off my chair and I crawled out to the front
because my head was going boom, boom, boom.
My heart was going crazy.
I felt like I was gonna die.
My head just kept spinning.
And so that made me want to vomit.
So I crawled outside, lay face down and started vomiting.
And as I'm lying face down,
this paralysis came over me and I was paralyzed
and I couldn't move, I'm just boom,
face down in my own vomit.
And as my head spins, the vomit keeps coming up.
The more my head spins, the more I vomit.
It came up, the vomit covered my mouth,
covered my nostril and I had one nostril above the vomit.
And as I'm lying there in my own vomit
and there's no one around to help,
this is in the middle of night,
I am just freaking out and many of my friends
or some of my friends had died,
they drowned in their own vomit
and I thought I'd never die like that.
But here I am, paralyzed,
lying face down in my vomit about to die.
And I'm freaking out.
I'm not afraid, I'm just angry.
I'm just like, how could I die like this?
And it's just, I can't move.
I couldn't even move my eyelids.
I just can't move anything.
I'm just like rigid.
And then I felt somebody's feet come up to me
on the left side.
I felt somebody's feet was on my feet that's down there.
I felt someone's feet there.
So in my mind, I'm willing them, help me, help me.
Turn me over, just move my head, help me.
And whoever it was just laughed at me.
I heard them laugh at me, a real evil laugh.
And then they said, I've got you now.
I've got you now.
And I knew, I didn't believe in the devil or God
in that sense, I wasn't following God.
But I knew right then that was,
I thought that must be the devil.
That is such the most evil person,
evil voice I've ever heard.
And what I thought is it's come to drag me to hell
and I'm gonna die and I gotta go to hell.
This thing's gonna take me to hell and hell's real
and I'm stuffed.
That's what I was thinking, face down in my vomit.
And so at the same time,
my mate's words, the words that he said to me,
Norm, in the darkest hour, call on the name of Jesus.
And now I've never prayed in my life.
And I couldn't talk
because my mouth is underneath, submerged.
So all I did find, I just thought,
I just, in my mind, I just thought, Jesus, help me.
And so I did, Jesus, help me.
I tell you, as soon as I thought that up,
thought that, that thought went out of my head,
my head stopped spinning.
Literally, it stopped spinning immediately
and peace came on me.
And because my head stopped spinning,
it stopped my gut from vomiting.
And so I was able to lie there
and breathe through that one nostril.
And I think it was about a half an hour later,
the perilous, I felt it just lift off my shoulder,
lift off my body.
And I was able to sit up.
And I'll never forget, I had the hair down to here then.
I was long-haired, long-haired lout back then.
And all the vomit, all the carrots,
all the chunk of the, it was all in my hair.
I remember pulling it out of my hair and it stunk.
And I remember thinking,
there's no way I'm gonna be able to get a taxi
to take me to my flat after this.
But at the same time, I was thinking,
I'm alive because I called on the name of Jesus.
He's real.
And so that was 1977, probably about November, 1977.
That's when I met Jesus.
I met the devil and Jesus on the same night.
And it wasn't in church.
It was right there on the gates of hell.
That's how I met Jesus.
Okay, so it was my first encounter with God,
with Jesus.
Now, I didn't become a Christian in the sense of,
I didn't start going to church,
but I knew that Jesus was real.
And I knew that I shouldn't be doing the stuff I'm doing.
I knew that what I was doing now was sin.
I just had a conscience.
I knew lying, stealing, fornicating,
getting stoned, getting drunk.
I just knew inside my conscience
that I shouldn't be doing this.
And so in my mind, I would say to God,
hey, look, God, look after me.
Don't let me overdose this month
and I'll give my life to you next month.
I literally said that to God every month.
And month after month after month.
And this went on for two years.
And in that two year period, I met Jess.
And we got pregnant.
She got pregnant.
Well, I got her pregnant.
And, but I loved her and I wanted to make it work.
We got married.
And when we got married, well, I'll tell you what,
we were ready to divorce 10 months later
because I had demons in me.
I had stuff all my life.
I had insecurity.
I had terrible stuff happening in me.
But before that happened, before that happened,
and that's another story.
I'm gonna bring Jess online sometime on this course.
And we're just gonna share how God took us.
from the honeymoon from hell to where we are today,
the honeymoon from hell to the marriage from heaven.
We're gonna talk about that.
She can share some of her story and her side of the story.
So, why am I telling you all this?
I've met Jesus and after 24 months, okay,
I knew that I can't keep living like this
because my marriage was ready to split up
and I know that if I go back to my old life,
I'll go back, I'll go to hell.
Anyway, that's another story.
So, let's go back there.
Back to 1977, I have an encounter with Jesus.
Suddenly, I feel a sense of, not significance,
but a sense of belonging that, wow, I'm not a mistake.
I'm not, I didn't come out of nothing.
I came from God.
That's different from coming from evolution, from a monkey.
So, I went and bought a Bible, a Good News Bible,
and I sat in Central Park down in Sydney
and I read from the book of Genesis 1 to 3,
chapter 1 to chapter 3.
Good way to start, eh?
And by the time I had finished chapter 3,
the spirit of God came on, gave me a revelation
that all the creation that I saw
did not come from evolution,
that God created the tree I'm leaning against,
that God created those birds, that God created the grass,
and this wow, it's like being stoned, came on me, wow!
And then I realised that God created me.
And I spoke at my heart to God,
I didn't have a pride, you made me the way I am.
And I sensed, He said, yeah, part Maori and part Pākehā.
I thought, Joe, really?
Oh, and from that moment, my insecurity left me,
from that moment.
All that to say, I learnt who I was.
I found my identity.
I found my identity in God.
And two years later, we came to Christ.
I gave my life fully to Jesus.
And as I gave my life fully to Jesus,
I learnt more about Him and about His love for me.
And as I learnt about His love for me,
I also learnt how to minister
and how to develop the ministry
and the calling on my life at the same time.
But the sense of identity was restored to me.
And I no longer was ashamed to be Māori or Pākehā.
I was no longer trying,
I didn't put a staffing belt on me anymore, anyway.
So all this to say that, whānau, know who you are.
Know who you are.
And love God and love yourself, man.
Love yourself, accept yourself.
Don't be carrying robes of shame
or guilt of who you used to be.
I remember who I used to be, but that's not who I am.
When God looks at me, He sees who I am today,
not who I was yesterday.
But the devil, he lives in the past.
So all he does is call you back.
Oh, I remember this, oh, I remember that,
oh, you did this, oh, you were that,
oh, people remember, whatever.
God says, I'm a new creation in Christ Jesus.
All things are past, all things are made new.
So all that to say,
the character of Christ and the power of Christ,
the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit
and the nine fruit of the Holy Spirit.
We're called to represent Jesus,
to be conformed to His image, to become like Him.
It's who we be, who we become.
That is more important than what we do, you know?
My kids, I love them, my mokopuna, I love them.
And they can achieve a lot in this world,
but it's who they are that I love.
I would hate to raise kids that are just real jerks.
They might accomplish and achieve lots,
but if they're total jerks and they're mean
and they're harsh and they just do bad things to people,
they might be movie stars
or they might have millions of dollars.
They might have achieved things
that others have never achieved,
but they had terrible character,
then they'd be shameful.
It'd be, I love them, but it's more who they are.
And I thank God, I've got great kids.
Me and Jess, we've got great kids, great mokopuna.
And we're so proud of who they are.
Not just what they do, but who they are.
And God's like that.
The Father's like that.
He's proud of who you are.
He loves you for who you are.
Not just what you do, but who you are to Him.
You're His son every day, 24 hours, 24 seven.
I mean, when you're sleeping at night,
He's hovering over you just going,
ah, can't wait for you to wake up.
My son, my daughter can't wait for you to wake up.
I know that.
Just like I used to hover over my kids
and over mokopuna when they're asleep,
just, oh, hurry up and wake up.
I just want to hug you.
Just want to kiss you.
Just want to hold you.
You know, that's what God is like.
The Father's like, He just loves you.
Just wants to hug you, hold you.
You know, He just loves you.
And I've got that sense of significance.
It comes out of relationship, significance.
And out of, from significance comes,
then my ministry flows out of that relationship,
significance, and therefore I'm able to achieve more
because I'm not trying to do things
to try and get His love to become significant.
I already am.
And so I am relaxed in what I do and how I serve God.
I don't have to try and make him happy, he's happy.
I don't have to try and make people happy.
So as I make God happy, people are generally happy.
When a man's ways please the Lord,
even his enemies are at peace with him.
So that's what I recorded all this morning.
I don't even know what you would call that.
But I guess it's relational, letting you know
a bit more about myself, where I come from.
It's funny that I couldn't speak at my best friend's wedding,
where there'd be probably, you know, maybe 40, 60 people.
And now I speak to thousands without any form of shyness
or lack of confidence.
It's because I know who I am.
I know who I am.
I belong to him.
And I'm bold, and I'm bold in my God.
I'm not bold in myself, but I'm bold in my God.
I'm bold and I boast of what he can do for people.
And I boast of what he can do for you.
And I boast of what he's done for me
and what he's done for Jess.
But at the same time, I believe in myself as well.
And I back myself because he backs me.
And you need to, some of you need to back yourself
because he backs you.
At the same time, walk in wisdom.
So I had a father, I had a good,
one of the best spiritual fathers you could have.
And you need somebody to tell you
when you're being an idiot.
You need somebody to tell you when you're being an idiot.
You need it.
Okay, as long as you've got this love,
and you know that he loved,
I knew that he loved me,
and therefore he could speak into my life.
I didn't take it personal
because the Lordship of Jesus
doesn't allow you to take stuff personal.
If you take it personal, then you're not dead yet.
You can't follow Jesus unless you had your funeral.
Figured a funeral.
So there you go, Father.
Let me just look at some of these things
that I wrote out that I'm not gonna do right now.
I think we've just come to the end right now.
World changes.
River, the different stages of fire.
So I'll talk about the fire of God down the track,
and the three different stages of fire.
You know, there's first degree burns,
secondary burns, and third degree burns.
And then the natural.
So in the spiritual, the Holy Spirit,
he likes to burn us.
He likes to inflame us.
He likes to infuse us.
He likes to empower us and be a flaming fire for him,
or as ministers, flames of fire.
How to take a city.
Identity, I just talked on that.
Identity and destiny.
Pioneer of the future, Joshua generation.
Understand church government, that's what we're on.
Understand the kingdom of God.
We'll talk a bit more about that
after we've done church government.
Understand your part in it.
The marks of a five-folder history maker.
You get what you receive.
How to get your ministry to follow you.
How to get your gift to seek you.
Is your eye evil because I am good?
Oh, there's some awesome stuff here.
The tithe is not under the law.
Oh, I just probably lost a few right there.
The tithe is not under the law.
Yeah, one that is a hit for most believers
because I hear so often Christians say,
I just want to know what my gift is.
I want to know what my ministry is.
I want to know what my calling is.
I want to know what my assignment is.
And oh, my, my, my, to me, to me, to me.
And some Christians end up chasing their ministry
instead of Jesus.
And you know what?
My ministry chased me.
I didn't go hunting for it, it came hunting for me.
And I want to teach you, if you don't know,
how to get your ministry to come hunting for you.
How to get your gift to come hunting for you.
How to get your ministry to come hunting for you.
Because when you walk in the way you're meant to walk,
it will seek you out.
You won't need to look for it.
It will seek you out,
and others will acknowledge it on your life.
But when you seek to find it and seek it out,
it becomes an obsession with so many people.
And that is because they are still insecure.
That is because they still haven't developed this,
they don't know their sense of identity,
their sense of significance isn't developed yet.
And so they think if they can find their ministry,
their calling, and feel like they're achieving something,
they're accomplishing something,
they think, wow, maybe I'm there.
But you won't be there.
Because the sense of achievement
is not a sense of significance.
Significance is about who you are,
state of being, identity.
Achievement is about what you do, the state of doing.
Okay?
So I point people first to Jesus,
get to know him, get to know yourself,
get to know him, and then to your destiny,
not the other way around.
It doesn't mean we just sit there and twist.
our thumbs and do some navel gazing do nothing there's plenty to do there's plenty to do before
you operate and develop or know what your ministry you're calling us there's heaps to do anyway
father that's us this morning and uh the holy spirit said i could pray for you this morning
i can pray for the sick this morning hallelujah i just gotta uh
i'm going to be on uh tough little john's uh site tonight 9 p.m doing a ministry teaching
on healing and praying for the sick so that's on tonight at 9 p.m that's tough tough little
john who's one uh he's a young maori an apostle young maori apostle that god has raised in our
nation there's there's several of them in this land that i'm connected with there's more than
several there's hundreds of them but i'm just connected with a few of them and uh i'm helping
uh ones like taff and and and marlene weep in there who's a maori prophetess over up there in
auckland my one of my spiritual daughters um i got uh earnest and latent here and uh
repentance church jcr church jesus christ repentance church and quite he did an amazing
job here they're like a son and well they're a son and daughter to me it's good i'm so honored
maori sons and daughters maori pākeha is anybody it's the body of christ hallelujah so okay if you
need healing and some of you uh you feel you're gradually getting better you're under recovery
okay a miracle is where it's instantaneous i just receive a testimony from a brother called manasa
he's a pastor over in fiji and he he he played that video clip of the woman who came in rip out
her stomach his is the first testimony i've got back of when he watched it and touched the screen
he said his back has been in pain for six months and he said the moment he touched the screen boom
the the back's completely healed he just he just uh missed me again this morning to thank me
yeah and of course we know it's jesus but it's being a steward of this of the gifts that he
gives you and i like to use that gift right here right now so so a miracle is when you get healed
instantaneously and a healing is where it takes a recovery time a miracle is you often a creative
miracle as well where there's been a bone replaced or a body part replaced but not all the time not
necessarily it could be we have had a disease and affliction in your body for for years or decades
and it's gone instantaneously like that it's a miracle whereas a healing uh is a recovery okay
and it's mark 16 17 jesus said will lay hand that that these signs will follow them who believe
in my name you'll cast out cast out devils speak in tongues lay hands but you'll lay hands on the
sick and they'll recover and when you take a panadol for instance not that i do that very
often but if you take a panadol your headache doesn't go straight away but you know it will
because there's a chemicals going in that then in your you're going to recover it doesn't go
instantly it's over a time period and recovery healing is over a time period sometimes uh jesus
prayed for a guy didn't get healed straight away he had prayed twice it was a guy with the eyes
another time it says they were healed within the hour and so a recovery healing can be within the
hour can be within minutes and within the hour can be within the day can be within a week can
be within weeks but the recovery power goes into you so when i pray when i release the the power
of god his power and you touch the screen lean forward and touch the screen his recovery power
has gone in you his miracle power has gone and it's up to the holy spirit where he's going to
do a miracle or recovery it's not up to me he moves as he wills not as i will that's how they
move that's how the gifts operate so when i pray for you you lean forward touch the screen you're
going to get a recovery or a heal or a miracle um and there's some of you as you were in recovery
now every day it's getting better and better and better okay just give god thanks when the power
went in it didn't take it out it's just operating just thank him every day lord i'm getting better
and better okay on the count of three i want you to lean forward into the healing presence of jesus
can i give you a testimony first yeah hallelujah hallelujah so i'm um doing a a meeting in church
and there's a lady sitting in the second third row and i don't know her she doesn't know me
she only knows about me and i didn't know but she had cancer in a womb and she was going to
get it cut out uh that was a sunday morning she was going to get it cut out on monday
she'd all gone through the test and diagnosis and all that and they said that's what it is
it's a bike or blah blah blah and so she didn't have any children and her womb was going to be
cut out but she came along to the to the healing to the church service because all our services are
healing meetings because you get we don't make healing the agenda we don't make healing the
event when jesus is in the house healings in the house he's the healer so uh it's just a church
service so i actually yeah you know she's sitting there and um and she never even came forward for
prayer and a lot of people healed that day and this is the testimony this is what she told me
Her name's Ana. So she said as she was sitting there when I was praying she felt like a force
go into her puku, into her stomach, into her womb, and she didn't know what it was.
So the next day, the Monday, she went to the hospital up here, Tairawhiti, Gizzi,
and was ready to be operated on, to have her womb cut out. For some reason, don't ask me why,
for some reason they did some more tests and they says, we're not going to do the operation for us.
It says we, I don't know whether they found out that day or a few days later, but whatever it was,
they said we can't find any trace of the cancer in your womb anymore. And so she, and I didn't
know this, she didn't even tell me this until months later. So about a few months later though,
the swelling came back into her stomach. And so she thought, oh, it's come back,
the cancer's come back. So she goes up to the hospital and has a, you know, a checkup.
And the doctor said, it's not cancer, you're pregnant. The swelling is you're pregnant.
So the very womb that was going to be ripped out, and so all the children, she didn't have children,
well, that God restored that womb. It's in a sense He gave back the dead come back.
And not only did she have that child, I think she got three children now, three children. That's
just sitting in a meeting where I'm speaking and I didn't even touch her. I don't have to be there
to touch you. Holy Spirit is everywhere. He's omnipresent. He's at all places. But in order
for the omnipresence to become manifest presence, you need an act of faith. You can have a torch,
and the batteries carry the electricity to light the bulb, to light the filament. But unless
the battery connects to the bulb, unless there's a point of contact, you can carry the power,
but it's not going to bring any light into the dark. And so I'm carrying this power of God in me,
but it's not going to do you any good until there's a connection with that power,
for the power of light to drive out the power of darkness. And so that connection is a point
of contact. The point of contact is faith as an action. The point of contact is when I pray for
you. The point of contact is when you lean forward and touch the screen and I'm praying for you.
That's your point of contact. When you make that point of contact, that's how faith works.
You make a point of contact. Stop looking for faith. You already got it. It's learning how to
use the faith God gave you. Romans 12.3. He said he's given you a measure of faith. It's not about
needing more faith. It's about using what he's already given you. But faith is an action. You
need a point of contact to activate your faith. So when I pray and I'm going to tell you to lean
forward, touch the screen, that's your point of contact. That's when the power of God's going to
come upon you. Okay, you ready? I want you to lean into the supernatural presence of Jesus,
the healing presence of Jesus. Be still and know that I am God. Be still and know that I am God.
Be still and know that I am God. Some of you might need healing for your ears after hearing my
singing. No, just joking. You are the God that healeth me. You are the Lord my healer. You took
their sin and healed their disease. You are the Lord their healer. You are the God that healeth me.
You are the Lord my healer. You took our sin and healed our disease. You are the Lord our healer.
In thee, O Lord, do I put my trust. In thee, O Lord, do I put my trust. In thee, O Lord,
do I put my trust. Jesus, Lord, as your son, as your daughter leans into your presence,
as they, Lord, use the faith you've given them, and Lord, as they make this point of contact,
but by stretching, leaning forward on the count of three and touching the screen. Lord,
as they do that, as they make that point of contact, I thank you that, Lord, it's like the
switch on the torch. When it's turned and it connects, there's that point of contact. There's
your power can flow. I thank you for your miraculous and supernatural presence, Jesus.
You who have healed thousands through me over the years, I give you praise. Lord,
there are tens of thousands yet to heal. So right now, that son, that daughter that's watching,
that's in pain, right now, that son, that daughter that's got those ulcerated mouth, Lord,
now that son, that daughter who's got that issue with the internal organs and that...
Blood coming out, Lord, that wound that doesn't seem to heal up, Lord, I give you praise.
Lord, that son, that daughter that's got the spirit of affliction, the spirit of sickness
on their bowel bodies, right now I thank you, Lord, as they lean forward into your presence.
The point of contact is to you, Lord.
Although they're touching the screen, it's not me.
It's not the screen that can heal any more than the robe, your robe could heal.
But it was you that wore the robe.
As many as touched your hem of your garment were made whole.
You're the same yesterday, today, and forever, Jesus.
You are here right now.
And people about to touch you, Lord, they're about to touch you, Lord, as they lean forward,
honor their faith, Lord, I know you will.
Thank you, Lord.
I thank you for the miracles that are about to break out.
I thank you for the extraordinary miracles.
Okay, those watching and needing healing, the touch of God right now, I want you to
lean forward on the count of three into the presence of the healing presence, the miraculous
presence of Jesus.
And as you lean forward, I want you to touch your screen, to reach out and touch my hand
on the screen.
You ready?
On the count of three, one, two, three, lean forward, come on, touch my hand, touch my
hand right now.
Touch the screen.
Thank you, Jesus.
And Father, right now, I thank you for the power, your virtue flowing through this hand,
flowing through, Lord, my hand into this, into their hand, flowing through my hand into
my friend's hand right now.
I thank you, Lord, that you're flowing through my friend's hand right now.
You're flowing through your power, your electricity, your dynamic, your dynamas, and even your
exousia is flowing through my hand into my friend's hand right now.
I thank you for touching my friend.
I thank you for touching your son, your daughter.
Thank you, Jesus.
You are the same yesterday, today, forever.
Lord, when you laid hands upon Batamayus, Lord, when the woman touched the hem of your
garment, oh, Jesus, that power flowed.
You said, who touched me, I felt power leave me, and she felt power go into her.
Some of you are feeling power go into your body right now, drying up that wicked disease.
I rebuke that wicked disease.
I rebuke that wicked spirit of infirmity.
I rebuke that wicked spirit of death.
I rebuke that wicked spirit of suicide in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
I rebuke those troubling thoughts, those lies, that slanderous voice that's spoken to you
and called you all sorts of names.
I rebuke that voice, and I command you to get out of those ears in the name of Jesus
Christ.
I thank you, Lord.
You open those ears to hear the voice of the Good Shepherd.
Thank you, Jesus.
That power just flowing, Lord, through this screen.
Lord, as handkerchiefs and aprons are brought to Paul, and extraordinary miracles by Paul's
hands, that there was a transference of the divine substance of you, Lord Jesus, through
Paul's flesh, into the handkerchiefs, into the fabric of the material, that whoever it
touched, Lord, the demons came out, the sicknesses left them, that Father, through the touch
of the screen, Lord, that you're doing extraordinary miracles, Lord, and the transference of divine
power through this electronic medium, by this, Lord, electronic medium, thank you, the Holy
Spirit, you get into all things.
You got into the bones of Elisha, and even in the bones of Elisha, your power was still
there.
I thank you, Lord, Holy Spirit.
Oh, there's so much healing going on, so whanau, here's what you're going to do.
Those of you who know you're healed, it's not by faith, you know you're healed.
You can do something now you couldn't do before.
You can move a body part, you know it's free, that thing's gone, that lump's disappeared,
that eye can see clearer, that ear can hear, that pain, you know you're healed.
Not going to be healed, not by faith, believe you're healed, you know you're physically
healed.
Something's happened in your body, you do something you couldn't do right now, that
healing heat burning through your body, and what you're going to do right now, you're
going to message me, and you're going to tell me three things.
What you had, how long you had it, and how you know you're healed.
Listen to me again.
What you had, how long did you have it, and how do you know you're healed?
Just answer me those three questions.
What did you have, how long did you have it, and how do you know you're healed?
I give you glory, Jesus.
To testify is to glorify, and we glorify your name.
Lord, I thank you in advance for those miracles and testimonies, for those miracles and healing
that's taking place right now, Lord, all across the Motu.
Even Lord, over there to Illinois, even Lord to Bryan, Texas, to Houston, Texas.
Thank you Lord, all the way to Fiji, Lord, all the way to Adelaide, Lord God, all the
way through to Melbourne, Father, up there to the Tory Islands, to the Tory Straits.
Lord, to Thursday Island Father, Lord be praised, to Bamaga, thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus,
there's no limitation to you. They can lock down humans but they can't lock down your presence
Jesus. Let me give you glory and all the saints said Amen. God bless you whanau, see you on
Tuesday. Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. God bless you.