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Yes, good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning to everybody I'm sure we've going to have some, some people jumping on here.
Any minute but everyone welcome to day two of the three day.
If you joined us yesterday we covered some, some pretty, some pretty good content some pretty good stuff talking about, you know, what is, what is the cycle.
What is this hidden cycle of disconnection that is, you know, been kind of secretly trickling its way down through the generations right.
And if you missed that session. Be sure to hop on and catch up with us here today but this morning, guys, we have the privilege and the honor of, of joining our good friends Matt and Renee lands down guys just say hi to everybody.
Yeah, so, um, guys, it's an honor for me to be to be doing this alongside you guys.
I, you know, for a long time I've kind of looked up to you and, you know, there was, there was a once upon a time I'd probably be very intimidated to be doing this alongside you guys.
Just because of how much I look up to you and respect you guys and what you carry what you have on your life.
And so, for those of you guys who don't know Matt and Renee they, they were part of Bethel School of Ministry which I also was part of.
You guys, you guys both did the School of Ministry there right. Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, so I spent, I spent three years there as well that's where I met my wife.
And, and these guys went through the ministry there launched out of that came straight back here to New Zealand, and pretty much straight away planted Bethel church is that correct.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we had we had our first daughter.
Okay, we moved to Whangarei and started Bethel church. Yeah, yeah. And so that, you know, that has been an incredibly fruitful ministry here in the nation of New Zealand and so massive respect to you guys for what you carry and what you've built, and, and for what
you're building so and tell us where you're at now guys.
So we, yeah, we, we felt.
We're in Whangarei for 10 years with Bethel church, and we felt that it was.
It's a long story but in short we felt that it was, it was time to move on from there.
Really, really amazing healthy good transition. Yeah, great. And, and we're now located in Taira on the Coromandel which is a really cool town in New Zealand, and
we know we're meant to be here we're not 100% sure what we're what we're doing here.
Yeah, which is a funny kind of a weird place to be and it's surprising how many other people we've talked to her in similar positions. Yeah, but we do know that our focus is creativity prayer missions.
Yeah.
In the context of family so that's, that's pretty cool and there's some really cool kind of.
There's an amazing community here and there's some cool things just starting to spring up in this place. They're all in seed form at the moment, but, yeah.
Yeah, I find that quite exciting we're in kind of pioneer mode so yeah it feels, it feels and it sounds to me like there's something really happening in that space you know there's a lot of a lot of interesting movement, you're also over there with Benji which is
cool. Yeah, yeah.
So, um, did you guys I don't actually know this part of the story did you guys meet before at Bethel ministry school or after we met.
We met each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
yeah no we met before um uh we how long have we been married before before we went to business
we've been married for two years right and we went over in 2008 got married in 2006
okay so yeah um we went over as a married couple yeah cool cool cool yeah i had the privilege of
meeting my wife there and we actually got married while we were in the ministry school together so
that was oh you got married while you're at school yeah we got married while we were in school
yeah we had just started um our internship when we got married so pretty cool pretty
cool place to have a foundation of a marriage yeah definitely yeah yeah um so maybe you guys
could could fill us in a little bit um actually i think first what we'll do um i think we could
just open up in some prayer and then i'll ask you a couple more questions and then we're going to
talk a little bit more about sozo um but matt would you mind just opening us up and in some
prayer and just um you know inviting holy spirit right yeah yeah yeah yeah father we thank you god
that you are so good we thank you that you're a good god and a good mood and you do good things
and that's the gospel and right now jesus we honor you we just um acknowledge your presence here
yeah holy spirit we thank you that you are um in every room represented by anyone uh logged into
this call into this session and we thank you god that you're with each one of us um
and we just thank you for that god we thank you that you're in the very air that we're breathing
and we just bless this time i ask you god for um living wisdom to be imparted into people's
hearts and minds into their families into their parenting into their marriages and into their
hearts yeah god in this session and that there will be real transformation not just fleeting
transformation but a lasting transformation out of this session and out of this time in jesus name
amen amen amen thank you awesome and this is going to be powerful guys this is really powerful
talking about this morning um has had a radical impact in my life um as well as many
uh many lives of people that i know and um you know lasting transformation like what i meant
is talking about lasting transformation but you know i'd love to hear a little bit more
um about your stories you know we're kind of talking about these encounters with god that
changed the way we think about him right and changed the way that we um even thought about
ourselves or things that we believed um i talked a little bit about that for me yesterday but
i'd love to hear um a bit more from you guys about your personal journeys around you know
some of these encounters that changed the way you um believed about god um some of this lasting
transformation so um would one or both of you like to just share a bit about you know some maybe one
or of you know a bigger picture of your journey around um those encounters that kind of changed
everything yeah yeah um well there's you know i think there is a short story yeah which is is
still long but could be made as short as possible and then there's a long story which has multiple
different you know encounters and and um treasures along the way but um yes in short we can answer
that question what um do you want to say anything well i have a bunch of testimonies i'd love to
share not just my own but some sources that i've walked through with some people um but i'll do
our journey first yeah so shall i go first well do i mean that's up to you do you want to share
a story about how you encounter god so um i love i've basically got to make it really
streamlined connected to sozo so that people understand like for me so it's all about just
connection with god right that's it yeah and when you have connection with god so much beauty
and breakthrough freedom and love happens and so um yeah one of my biggest ones which is interesting
um was getting breakthrough with my brother and with myself because um i'm the eldest of four
and my relationship with the four as a child was motherly and like i found
a lot of responsibility.
And I felt like the weight of the world was on my shoulders
to make sure that those beautiful siblings of mine
that I would die for, literally,
were doing well in life.
And carrying that kind of thing as a child was my choice.
My parents never put that on me, but it was my perception.
But when my mom and dad asked me to do something,
the personality that I was created with and designed with
would receive that in a way that I perceived,
okay, they're relying on me 100%, which they weren't.
So the way the child perceives
what is being done in their world
is different to what the reality really is.
And so there's a lot of stuff that needs to be released
or forgiven because of perception.
It's not necessarily real, but you receive it as truth,
but it's actually a lie.
And it becomes a barrier in your adult world
when you can't let that go, that it will sabotage.
So basically, I was realizing in my sozo
that I had decided because I had failed my brother,
and then my parents had failed my brother,
and then God had failed my brother.
So, shoot, I have to be God for my brother.
Yeah, right.
Literally, I was like,
I didn't know that I had created that,
what would you call it?
Covenant with my brother subconsciously,
but I had decided no one has been good enough for him.
And so I'm gonna have to stop being God for him.
And for me to say, I repent,
I pretty much needed to say, I'm sorry, God,
I've been trying to do your job.
And invite him into that space and ask God, where were you?
And what did it feel like for you, God,
when these things happened to my brother?
And what were you doing for him?
And just allowing God to fill me with truth,
like how he felt about my brother
and how he felt about the things that happened to him
and how he felt about the things that happened to me
because of that and releasing.
I couldn't say, I couldn't get the words out
for like a good five minutes in my sozo
of I release my brother.
So I didn't realize how intensely I was wrapped up
and trying to be the protective guardian of my brother.
I still am in a sense,
cause that's why God designed me as the eldest of four,
but I'm not ever meant to take God's place.
And I was like, I can't believe I can't say this.
And that brought so much freedom for me
to actually be present with my own family
if I'm gonna like put my brother above my children,
I'm not, yeah.
Lots of different layers happened for me
before kids when I had this sozo,
but just realizing the level of priority
I'd put my brother in my life,
an unhealthy salt I.
Right.
Yeah.
Isn't it interesting that so much of what we believe,
I talked a little bit about this yesterday,
but so much of what we believe
we don't know that we believe.
Yes, exactly.
No.
Yeah.
And it's all wrapped up in kind of this subconscious
or this inner child space of things that our psyche
or our inner child interprets.
You know, it's kind of like,
we're great as humans at receiving information as kids,
but because our brains haven't developed,
we're horrible at interpreting that information, right?
So we kind of latch on to these notions and these ideas
and these beliefs that are so core to who we are,
but we have no idea that they're even in there.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, that's really powerful.
So, you know, did you wanna talk,
I'll leave this to you, Renee,
did you wanna talk a little bit more
about kind of the breakthrough moment
and how that came about,
or do you wanna share more about those testimonies?
Yeah, well, I believe the moment for me,
cause I felt like I could no longer,
I was too scared to connect with people
because I naturally want to rescue.
Yeah.
And learning that about myself and the so-so,
like, what's a healthy way to be,
I've always had the prophetic word,
you're gonna be a mother of mothers,
you're gonna be mother of natives.
And I'm like, that's quite a big, heavy load.
I don't think I wanna do anything related to that.
And walking through healing with like,
no, this is your calling,
but there's a healthy and an unhealthy way of doing that.
And God showing up and saying, no, he will be God.
Right.
I can trust him.
And so much like,
weight lifted off my chest, lifted off my device around me.
Wow. Seeing his goodness in that.
So I was just like, so there's so many breakthrough moments,
but that was quite a personal one related to family because it's my brother.
It's so powerful.
Yeah. And how it related to Jesus.
Like, yeah.
So, yeah, that's just one little.
I love it.
For me, that's powerful.
That's powerful. Thank you for sharing that.
Over to you guys.
Matt, do you want to share your any, you know,
any experiences that you've had in that space?
Or Renee, do you want to talk?
You mentioned you want to talk some more about testimonies.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, one of the, as far as the moment where God,
where I realized that I was believing a lie about God
that was preventing me from coming nearer to him.
Yeah.
In terms of my relationship with him,
I had one of the standout moments for me was in Ecuador.
This was actually while we were at BSSM as well.
I think it was the first year, second year, one of the years.
And I was with a guy.
He's actually passed away now.
Jim Legend.
I don't know if anyone on this live knows Jim from Ecuador.
American guy.
He's such a champion.
We were praying together.
And as we were praying, the presence of God just came over both of us.
We're actually meant to be going out.
It was like a prep, you know,
like a team talk before going into the meeting with the team.
And we were meant to be in the meeting,
but everyone, our whole team left.
And me and Jim were left in the room.
He's like the leader of the whole movement.
And we just ended up on the floor under the presence of God.
Yeah.
And it was kind of a crazy experience.
What happened was I could actually, in my encounter,
I could actually see Jim and he could see me.
Like, you know, we're kind of unconscious on the ground.
And we're in this kind of encounter, like this spiritual space.
And I can see him and he can see me.
And we're flying together.
And both of us are with Jesus.
And that was just kind of a cool fact.
But then we're flying around.
We're just sort of almost just playing with Jesus.
And then he said to me, he said, man, I want to take you somewhere.
So I sort of said goodbye to Jim.
And me and Jesus went somewhere.
And we went to this big house.
Now, this is kind of, you know, you could say this is in my imagination,
but it was in my imagination.
And it also felt very real and substantial.
There's just a bit of chatter in the background.
Hopefully that's fine.
That's fine.
I woke up again.
I think maybe.
And we walk into this house together.
And he said, there's someone I want to take you to.
Yeah.
And I said, cool, cool.
I was all excited.
It was really everything was all so fun and exciting up until this point.
Yeah.
And then we got to this big door and I knew what was behind the door.
It was the father's office.
Wow.
Now, when I was growing up, my childhood was a great childhood.
And my dad's an amazing dad and incredible dad.
One of the things that one of my kind of exit wounds from home
was I was never allowed to interrupt dad when he was in his office.
So when dad was working, he was unavailable to me.
Right.
Wow.
Off limit.
You have access to dad, but when he's working, which was all the time.
Right.
You have no access to dad.
Work is more important than you, Matt.
Yeah.
That's the lie I grew up with without really knowing it.
And so I realized we're going to the father's office.
And I'm like, oh, no, no, no.
I'm trying to back out.
My feet are moving the other way and Jesus pushing me forward.
And he's like, it's going to be fine.
It's going to be fine.
And then I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
And he opens the door and I see the father and he's just on his desk.
And it looks like the most important work in the world.
He is in the focus zone, just getting his work done.
There's like bits of paper and pens and maps and plans.
I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is like the worst moment.
him in his office. And I'm freaking out thinking I'm going to get rejected by Father God.
And then the father looks at me, sees me and he says, he just all in one motion, he gets his one
hand, swipes everything off his desk, all over the floor. And then he looks at me and he says,
Matt, I've been waiting for you to see me here in this place. Come here, I want to show you
something. And I walked over to Father God, he put me on his knee and he was just so delighted
that I would interrupt him. That I would know that I had the place to interrupt him, which I
didn't know I had that place, Jesus had to show me that. But then I knew I had the place to
interrupt him in the middle of his busy work. He took this book off his shelf and it had Matt,
my name written down the spine of the book, opened the book up and I sat down with the
father and we started to plan my life out together. That became his, we started a new project.
And it just marked me, I realized from that point, like, wow, I actually have access to God.
Like I'm invited. I am delightedly invited into the presence of the father at all times.
And so that was a real marker moment for me. Wow. That's such a powerful story, Matt. And it's so
in line with what we're talking about, right? Because it's like how we've experienced our
parents is how we subconsciously we receive that information and we interpret it in such a way
and it stays with us. And then that's how we interpret God. And for me, one of those examples
is just briefly, and then we'll back over to you, is when I was a kid,
my parents or my dad, a lot of times they would say, we're gonna, this weekend, we're gonna go
do this. We're gonna go do that. We're gonna go to Disneyland or we're gonna go out and
play baseball or whatever it is. And quite often when the time would come around,
they'd just be too tired. And so I've realized recently that, but not always, right? So,
but half the time it would happen and half the time it wouldn't. So I've kind of realized recently
that I've, is really recent for me, right? I've kind of realized I've projected that onto God.
Like he says, he's going to take care of me. But the reason it's really difficult for me
to actually believe that is because I have this subconscious belief that he takes care of me
about half the time. And so that's why it's hard for me. And I still struggle with like,
oh, I can just rest in peace and knowing he's going to take care of me all of the time because
he's, you know, he's God. But we get so connected to these experiences and we project them onto who
he is. So that's just another practical example. But wow, thank you for sharing that, man. It's
powerful. That's really powerful. And then I guess, Renee, I guess over to you, like what
would you like to kind of take us into a little bit more about SoZo and then lead us into what
it looks like? Yeah. Well, basically, there is a bunch of different tools that are just perfectly,
beautifully designed to connect you with God, to find out the lies that you've been believing
since pretty much your childhood or interactions with relationship. That stops you from receiving
love, stop you from feeling safe around God, even stop you believing the truth about God. And
I basically love just hearing experiences because it shows you what a SoZo is. So that
amazing story you just shared, I have one as well, where my dad would work an hour and a half away.
And so he'd leave before light and get home late. But he had told me when he was home,
but because he wasn't at home, during a lot of my young years, I perceived that he didn't have
time for me. So I perceived I wasn't good enough, even though when he was with me, he would do what
Matt didn't do. And he would wipe his way and stuff. And I could sit on the top of his work
and just have fun with him. But I'd have to go down to the
rumpus room to find him. He felt like my perception was I was facing that connection. And so
when God showed me that, that was a lie that I'd believed. And the truth is,
he always has time for me that I
I am enough for him, that I am worthy of love.
And he put me on his shoulders like a big lion.
And he took me like Aslan with Lucy, just all over the show.
I just cried for probably a good 10 minutes
of nuzzling into his mane and feeling like,
okay, this big, beautiful, amazing lion is my Papa God.
Like, no matter what business he's got to do,
whether it's lying down in the pastures and resting,
or whether he's got some business to do,
I can be right there and riding on his back.
And I am good enough to be there next to him,
no matter what his role is in the world.
And that was a huge breakthrough for me.
So really it is, it's just,
the main tool I want to take everyone through today
is called the Father Ladder.
And it's connecting you with one of the three God heads.
So Father God, Holy Spirit, or Jesus.
Because I've had to walk a lot of people through saying,
I forgive you, Dad,
for not being a good representation of Father God.
After they've found out some beautiful truths
that are then put into their hearts,
they realize like, oh, okay,
God is not like that.
And he's not going to treat me like that.
And from today's date onwards, I'm going to believe that.
And I'm going to keep coming back to that
when I want to go down the old familiar pathway
of I'm not good enough.
Actually, no, on the 17th of September, 2021,
God reminded me and showed me a beautiful breakthrough
that that's no longer my truth.
So yeah, the Father Ladder.
So the Father in our biological world,
he is the one that brings us,
he's got the gifting of protection.
He's got the gifting of provision.
Not that the mother can't do that,
but there is a gifting that God has put on the man
to do that, to create identity.
The mother can bring identity.
The mother can bring provision.
The mother can bring protection.
But there is a gifting and an anointing
on the male to do that.
And so we also, when we parallel that to Father God,
there is some lies that we've believed
that he can't provide for us sometimes,
that he can't protect us sometimes,
and that sometimes our identity in him is all skewed.
The learning to realign and find out
what are the lies you believe about Father God
are quite parallel to some wounds and lies
that have happened to you through your years as a child.
So yeah, I want to walk some people through that today.
Yeah, great.
It'll be fun.
And the same with the mother,
there's some anointings on the mother
that are just what God's created and designed into humanity.
And same with your siblings.
There's some anointing on the siblings
so that relate to Jesus with siblings.
So it's really powerful stuff.
It can be real simple and cheesy,
and people want to just like flip it off
and like actually know these things
that you think are just a cheesy truth
end up being like, wow, I really needed that.
Yeah.
So many people that have walked into Sosa's
have said, look, I don't listen.
I don't hear God.
I don't, he doesn't, I can't like hear what he has to say.
And every single person that's walked out,
and I've been doing it since we were in Bethel in 2008,
has gone out with God speaking to them.
So a lot of people confuse that when you ask God a question,
he doesn't talk to you in English sometimes,
it's through your senses.
Actually, because it's you, he's talking to you,
and it's actually your voice.
Because you're the vessel he's talking to you through.
So it sounds like your voice,
but if it's not encouraging, endorsing,
uplifting, loving, kind, it's not God.
Right.
Yeah.
So when you're asking God for truth,
Father God, what's the truth?
And it's none of those good things.
It's not God's voice.
It's like, okay, no, that's probably an old voice,
or it's my insecurities trying to be loud again.
Yeah.
Who else do I need to forgive God?
When did this first happen to me?
Is there something deeper, a deeper route
that you want to show me where you were, God,
and what you were doing and who I need to forgive there?
So I encourage people to book in with a sozo,
but we're going to do a small thing.
Yeah.
If I can, I just want to share something really briefly
on that note.
I actually had a sozo about two weeks ago,
just did a Zoom thing.
And I was just going after some stuff
that I've been wrestling with.
And, you know, I traditionally just...
vulnerable traditionally have kind of been one of those people who've been like, I really kind of
struggled to hear from the Lord. And it's all wrapped up in this experience with my parents.
And that's another story. But, you know, I guess my point is, I came out of that sozo,
even though it wasn't like this, you know, in the moment, it didn't feel like this revolutionary
thing. I did feel like I heard a couple things that were actually, you know, really relevant.
Um, but on the other side of it was kind of like, yeah, that was good. That was good. You know,
but then moving forward from that, it just felt like something almost immediately shifted
coming out of it. And I'm like, suddenly I'm like, Oh, I feel like I'm hearing the Lord say this to
me. That's interesting. I'm hearing like, I feel like I'm hearing the Lord say this thing. It was
like after the fact. And I think sometimes just the simple act of positioning yourself in a place
of hearing from him and receiving from him, even if it doesn't necessarily happen in that moment,
is like a prophetic act that breaks something. Yeah. Yeah, that's so good. There's a lot of
power in just positioning yourself. And, you know, even if necessarily in this moment that we're
about to have it for the people joining us now doesn't feel like something's happening right
now. And for many of us, it will, I think just knowing that it's that positioning your heart
in a place of saying, hey, I'm actually ready to take the next step with you, God. And it's this
prophetic act that actually breaks through things in the spirit realm and unlocks them
and allows things to start flowing as you move through it into the other side of it.
Yeah. I think too, just to interject for a second, when God speaks and your heart is open to receive
his word, when you recognize it, even if it feels like dull and, you know, maybe subtle and quiet,
when you're open to receive it and you recognize it and you say yes to it, which is what you would
have done in that sozo. Yeah. The thing about God's words is they're all like seeds and they
all grow and they all bear fruit. Yeah. And so you notice that something that starts so small
and often so subtle becomes almost like louder and louder and louder and more and more shaping
as the days and weeks go on. It's quite a fascinating thing. I can recognize what you're
saying. I've experienced the same thing in my life. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Cool. Over to you, Renee. Yeah.
Yeah. So
sometimes you can get triggered, though. Yeah. Because of your own personal,
I have no idea because I can't see the people that are here today.
Ari's singing really loud in the background. Our kids are getting ready for school, so I'm just
going to cruise off for a second and come back. They're like, Ari's singing at the top of her
voice. I don't know if you can hear that. That's great. But I might just remind them that we're on a call.
Yeah. So what I love about sozo is you've got,
it's all about, it's your sozo when you're in a room with someone that's hosting you,
that's outside of your emotional connections to your past. And they're there because they
love you. They're there because they want to honor and respect where you're at. And you can
hear thoughts that you wouldn't necessarily hear yourself.
But you can actually have a sozo in a shower if you know the right tools. Exactly. When you're
alone going for a walk on the beach, when you're driving your car and just realize I've just been
triggered when I had a conversation with my mother on the phone call. Like, okay, Father God,
what's going on there? Do I have an unhealthy cell tie there? Do I have some lies, I believe,
where I'm handing over unhealthy power to my mom? Or like, how can I bring health to
the discomfort and feeling I've got after my phone call with mom? Because I know she loves me.
You're right. I love her. But there's stuff going on that I can't see right now. So bringing it to
Father God or bringing it to Holy Spirit. Right. Because that's the parallel. Yeah. And saying,
okay, this is a scary space for me, Holy Spirit. Jesus, could you be with me while I do this prayer
with Holy Spirit? You can look so many different ways. If you feel safer with one of the Godhead
than Holy Spirit, then just say, Jesus, I need you to be right here next to me. Come close
while I am doing this prayer with Holy Spirit.
I just realized maybe my mom was a little bit of a whirlwind
when I was growing up because she was busy and just so much.
And I feel a little bit unsafe in that atmosphere.
Right.
Yeah.
And Jesus, I need or Father God, whichever that you're safest with.
Can you just be right here with me while we do this?
This prayer and releasing whatever it is that I'm needing truth in.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So we've got a little PDF thing that I thought would be helpful
to share with you guys afterwards.
And it's super basic because I won't be in the room with you.
So it's Holy Spirit that you need to go through any prayer that you do.
And it's all based on forgiveness.
That's so it's God commands it in the Bible.
And there is a really big reason.
And there's a lot of teaching behind that.
But we know it as Christians.
And we have got our beautiful little five year old here with us.
So, yeah, I don't know.
Do we just launch into walking through that?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so.
And I'm just I'll bring it up just in case I forget what I said.
You guys like to get that.
Yeah. And we'll figure out how to post this on the Facebook guys.
It's a really cool tool.
That Renee's put up for us.
So thank you. Thank you for that. Yeah.
Yeah. So if you are feeling triggered,
then you just need to say, Jesus, come close.
Yeah. Yeah. Where are you right now?
Whichever one that you feel safest with, come close.
Like, really, what do you say about me, Jesus?
So this is not a fatherly at all.
Whenever I do a social with someone, I want them to leave feeling
loved by God and safe.
Yeah. Loved by God and safe that they've connected with God
in a place that they fully are loved and fully safe.
So if they are like a worst scenario,
father wasn't physical abuser
because we're going to start with Father God or your dad.
Look, just switch it out to Jesus and maybe go and have a social
with someone that can walk you through that in a place that you can be safe.
Otherwise, say, Jesus, come close.
Where were you in that moment?
That's a tool called presenting Jesus.
And what were you thinking about me?
And what were you saying over me when this event was happening?
So these kind of questions are just so powerful to bring God
into a painful memory and any lies that we've picked up from that event
and find out the truth about who God really is and how he was like.
I've had experiences where Jesus showed them that he was in between them
and the perpetrator and how he was just crying and cuddling them.
And it just brought so much healing to that beautiful woman.
Yeah. Of Jesus being in that moment and all the words
he was saying over her as he was cuddling her in that moment.
So, yeah, it's an important tool when you're feeling super triggered
is to say, Jesus, where were you in that moment?
What were you saying?
And how do you feel about me?
So we always start with getting information with the tools.
So if you guys want to close your eyes, you're not distracted.
Let God be.
The one giving you the main information, it's not my voice
or Tyler's voice or Matt's voice, it's God's voice,
that's the most important when you're wanting truth.
I can give you truth, but your heart won't necessarily believe it.
When God gives you truth, your heart accepts it way more
than the truth that I can share with you.
It's something that he just knows how to get to spots that I have no idea about.
He knows you. He knows you so beautifully.
So the information.
So when you close your eyes.
I'm just going to pray.
Thank you, God, so much for this opportunity to be here with so many.
Throughout the world, and I just ask right now for your voice
to be the loudest voice in the room to put a protection around them,
to surround them in your angelic law, God, to make them feel safe right now.
No, God. Yeah.
To bring your love.
Yeah, but that have some amazing breakthroughs
going forward from today onward.
Look, will you show them where you are in their lives and who you are
in their lives and who they are in your heart, little girl?
So as your eyes are closed, I just want you to say this out loud.
Father God, are the God of the God.
How do I see you? How do I see you?
And the first thing that comes to your imagination, just roll with it.
Even if you're like, I don't actually think I believe that about you, God, or wow, I didn't
expect that, or I'm not sure how I see you, but I can sense you.
I can feel you.
And if you aren't sensing or feeling, ask Father God, whereabouts in the room with me
are you?
And according to what you're sensing is where you have the control to say, is there something
between me and you, Father God, that's hindering our relationship?
Yeah.
And because I'm not in the room with any of you, I'm not able to help you guide who you
need to forgive and what it is you need to forgive.
But I believe God is speaking to you now.
And if you feel like God is far off in the room, or if you feel like God looks not as
friendly as you would hope, then you ask Father God, what is it I need to forgive my dad for?
Do you need to forgive your dad for not being there for you emotionally, like the way that
you desired as a child?
Do you need to forgive your dad for not being there for you physically, the way that you
desired as a child?
Do you need to forgive your dad for not knowing how to celebrate you when you needed him the
most?
Do you need to forgive your dad for not knowing how to stand up for you and have a voice in
your life when you needed him the most?
Do you need to forgive your dad for the way you've perceived him to be?
I forgive you, dad.
For how you made me feel.
And I don't know any events that have happened in your life, but just releasing now in your
own words, forgiveness, for not showing up for you when you needed him, for not
giving you the words of affirmation that you needed.
And as an adult, we can justify and understand why these things didn't happen, but as a three
year old, you've perceived it in a way that's brought you harm and misunderstanding.
Yeah.
And we're just going to do the next part of this, which is, and I renounce the lie.
I renounce the lie.
That you, Father God.
Would treat me in any of those ways.
Yeah.
I renounce the lie that you, Father God.
Wouldn't know how to love me.
Wouldn't know how to show up for me.
Wouldn't know how to love me in a way I needed.
Wouldn't know how to love me in the way that I needed.
Jesus.
Yeah.
And Father God.
What is the truth?
What is the truth about you, Father God?
the words or he's showing you imagery right now, like he did
with Matt in the office room, like he did with me and the
lion. Allow him to show you that truth. It's super subtle
sometimes, almost miscible. And as for the God, the God, the
God, what is the name you're calling me by in the season?
What is the name you're calling me by in the season?
Father God has many, many names. And I believe that, you know,
he prays without ceasing. And he calls us his beloved. He calls
his child, his chosen one, his delight. Just as I call my
children many different names. And the name he's calling you by
in the season sometimes has great meaning that brings a
breakthrough and a safety and a connection with him that you
need right now in the season. Yeah. Father God, would you come
close? Would you come close? Father God, would you come
closer still? If you're not feeling safe with that, say
Father God, is there somebody I need to forgive? That's holding
me back from you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then ask, Father God, do
you have a gift for me today?
Father God, do you have a gift for me?
How do you want to love me today, Father God?
You want to love me today, Father God?
I encourage you to write down all the good things that you're
hearing, sensing, feeling, knowing, whether they be
imagination journeys, or Bible verses, or simple little things.
Because it's like a prophetic word that's straight from God's
heart to you to remind yourself within the future. When you need
it the most. Yeah. So that takes a little bit longer than what we
went through just now, because there's no interaction between
me and you. But it's a good base to learn how to talk with God.
Yeah, come on. Yeah. That's so, so good. Yeah. It's really
powerful, isn't it? Yeah. You can feel his presence. My whole
body is aware of God right now. Just aligning yourself to put
your eyes on him. Yeah. And inviting him into your space.
Yeah.
Consciously.
Yeah, I had a during that I had a picture of, you know, I'm kind
of on the ground on some sort of, you know, plateau, and I'm
looking up at, you know, kind of like Father God and Jesus and
the angels are all up there, you know. And, and I just had a
picture of every ever all the attention shifting and turning
towards me. Wow. And then Jesus and Father God just being like,
what are you doing down there? So down and grab me and pick me
up. And just carried me up into the heavens with them. You know,
like, Wow, don't be down there. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Circle. Yeah.
This is powerful. You know, you give you give them an
opportunity to speak. Yeah. And it's just it's powerful to
realize that he actually wants to speak more than we want him
to speak. Exactly. He desires that connection with us so much
more than we can even think or imagine. Right? Because that's
what he created us for. So it's just giving him those
opportunities.
being amazed when he actually shows up, we shouldn't be surprised by it.
Oh guys, well Rene, is there anything else before we wrap up that you want to share?
Dale from Invercargill leads Sozo New Zealand and she's an absolute treasure in this land,
honestly, she is a golden treasure, she is a mother of mothers, she's a mother of,
I'm going to cry, so if you really are not sure how to access this particular tool and want to,
definitely go after it and Dale's in charge of the nation here with the Sozo
Ministry and I trust her a thousand percent, I think she's wonderful.
It's so good to know, I didn't know that, I'm going to be reaching out to Dale.
She's wonderful, it's a special gift to be able to just find out what's hindering you
from Holy Spirit or Father God or Jesus and realising that your relationships with your
siblings, your mum or your dad can easily be turned around and it brings health between
your peers and when you go after it, it's simple and it's beautiful.
Yeah, come on, that's so powerful, thank you so much Rene and Matt. Matt,
is there anything else you want to share before we wrap up?
I just love you all and yeah, I think that ultimately at the end of the day,
I think everything, I love Sozo, I love all the tools and I think that it's just all so cool
and underlying all of that is just a massive invitation from God to spend time with them.
And sometimes it can be hard to know how to spend time with God
and so if you're kind of in that position and you're like, I kind of want to
continue or begin a conversation with God and spend time with them, but how do I do that?
Honestly, the hardest thing about doing that is doing that.
Yeah.
And what I mean by that is it's just taking some time in your day and just setting that time aside
to say, I'm going to actually, I don't know how to do it, but I'm going to just have some time
and trust that you're going to help me do it, Lord.
And that might be going for a walk or it might just simply be sitting on the couch and waiting
and sort of going through the seemingly sometimes kind of awkward stage of like,
I don't really know what I'm doing, but I'm doing it.
Yeah.
And just trust that in that space, if you create that space and make that space for God,
He will actually utilize that time.
And some of you won't know until hindsight,
until maybe weeks and years or days or hours later.
Yeah.
Where you'll realize, oh, wow, God actually did,
like something actually did transpire in my heart in that time.
Yeah.
Or it might be in the moment, but just know that God will utilize that time.
And there is a big fat invitation from God to hang out.
Yeah. Come on.
That's so good.
I was going to share sometimes people just need to read the Psalms.
And when they feel like there's a truth in there that I don't actually believe,
invite God into that.
Like with Psalms 23, the Lord is my best friend.
This is the passion version.
The Lord is my best friend and my shepherd.
I always have more than enough.
And if that's as far as you get with being triggered, then that's okay.
Going, oh, that doesn't feel fully true to me, God.
That I would have more than enough.
Yeah.
Father God, I invite you right now just to help me find out what's the lie I'm believing.
And is there a corresponding person to that lie that I need to forgive?
Yeah.
When did this lie first enter into my life?
And who's in that moment that I need to forgive and ask, what's the truth there, God?
What do you want to say to me about that?
Yeah.
And fight truth to help you believe the word.
Isn't that awesome?
Believe has reigned a word for you.
Yeah.
Ah, guys, so powerful.
It really is revolutionary.
It's life changing.
It has been, you know, for me, and it continues to be for me.
you know, kind of just to circle back around, in context of
parenting, you know, this is, this is so foundational, in our
parenting journey. Because if we have a false view of Father
God, it will ultimately even if it's in a subconscious level, it
will ultimately inform how we're representing him. Yes, to our
kids. Yeah, absolutely. And that's the cycle. That's the
cycle of disconnection is because we're creating that
model gets passed down. And so what we're doing here today, is
actually the process of making it so that they don't have to be
going back in their future and dealing with some of this stuff.
It's a lot easier to start right, then have to go back and
fix it, right. But um, but even if that's the case, awesome,
because God can do that. So that's all good. But um, but if
we're parenting from a place of connection, and, you know,
alignment with the truth of who Father God is, then that's the
foundation. That's the foundation of family and the
foundation of parenting. It's funny, if I've spent so much
time, diving into kingdom parenting, resources and
courses, books, and not a single one of them has talked about
this. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. It is interesting to me. I'm
like, yeah, look, you get the foundation sorted. Yeah, right.
So, um, so guys, thank you so much for for being with us. And
for leading us. I fully believe that this is the beginning and
the launchpad of a movement for families and connection. And we
actually get to be a part of something really significant,
really special right now. So I'm going to figure out I don't
know if I can post that PDF in the comments just as a PDF form
on the page. But we'll find a way to either link it, or
somehow may not show up right away. But we'll make sure that
that the tool, the father letter, letter, letter tool that
you that you made up first, Renee, I will figure out a way
to either put that in the comments or link it in the
comments. And then you can kind of go off and, and walk yourself
through this over and over and over and over. Anytime there's a
trigger. And we're actually tomorrow, we're going to be
talking more about triggers and how to deal with those. Right.
So this is really relevant. Yeah. So this is really
relevant for tomorrow's talk. So we're going to be talking
tomorrow more about like self care. Right? So, you know, let's
get connected and aligned with the truth of who God is. And
then let's get aligned with actually dealing with ourselves
and self care. And then once we've dealt with that, then we
can launch from there. Right. So. So join us tomorrow morning,
we're gonna be talking about self care and triggers, and
boundaries and some really, you know, some really foundational
stuff as well. But guys, thank you so much for for what you're
doing, and for the anointing and the ministry in your lives. And
for joining us this morning, I'm confident this is going to be
revolutionary and life changing for so many. Alright, so
awesome, man. Thanks for having us. Yeah, absolutely. Such an
honor and a privilege to be journeying with you guys. And
but we'll, we'll see where we go from here. But guys, bless you,
everyone who's watching. Be blessed. And let's run forward
together after wholeness and connection and family. So you
guys are awesome. That's us for this morning. We'll see you
tomorrow morning. Same time 7am. Yeah, it's gonna just keep
getting better, guys. All right. Come on, man. All right. Awesome.
Love you. Just love you guys. Thanks again. Cheers. Bye.
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