Okay, well, excellent.
So we'd like to kick it off for this month's Inner Circle.
Again, this is, you know, we set aside two hours
and it's broken into three segments.
The first segment is we will,
the first segment is as we go through this,
we're going to be looking very carefully
at a very specific leadership topic for you.
The second segment is much more of a,
sorry, just letting, making sure everyone's coming in there.
There's the other one.
And what we're doing in the second segment
is we are looking at doing some laser coaching,
hot seats and so forth.
Hey Glenn, welcome.
And then, you know, we're going to be looking
at the third section, which is how do we take
all the edge training that we did
and how do we build the team from that?
But this is your view of it.
How do you use it?
And now that it's all automated
and you have it all on the app.
So a couple of quick things,
couple of quick announcements just to catch you up.
We've been very, very busy here in the background
putting together various versions of this program.
I think to, before when we got it to sort of,
when we did it last year, we did it,
I threw this in as an extra just to help those
who were on the edge at the time.
And then we met monthly and then at the end of the year,
we decided to make a program out of it
and we called it the Inner Circle.
Well, subsequent to that, you know,
we've been looking at creating affinity groups
around Inner Circle.
Like for instance, Inner Circle for real estate,
Inner Circle where you can get to specific people.
Right now we're looking at real estate
and we're doing one for minors only
as in those people who mine,
not those people who are under age.
So just for clarity.
So we're looking at doing an Inner Circle
for specific affiliate groups.
So if that's something that appeals to you,
that's a partnership program I put together
that I'm doing with other people.
And Glenn's on the call here
because he and I are working on
the Enterprise Edition of the Edge.
Hopefully we're working on building this
for big corporations.
So what occurred to us in our own learning
is that the passion here is to be able
to change the way we lead.
If our leadership was life-giving
and the people who come to and work for us,
you know, experience a much higher degree of life
and they experience a place where they're celebrated,
where their contributions matter,
where we give meaning to their jobs.
When we do that, I think there's so few people
in the world who enjoy that,
you know, who have that, who have access to that.
So that will set us apart.
And as part of this learning,
it also occurred to us,
and this is the big announcement
I mentioned to you on the email,
is that we wanna make this group a kingdom group.
Because now with the different circle,
I don't have to keep everything, you know, covert.
We can now make this an overt kingdom discussion.
And I'm excited about that because, you know,
there are different feeders to this program
that we can use.
And what we're looking for in this session
is so we can speak openly.
And more importantly,
I really wanted us to have a discussion
around what is our kingdom advantage as leaders.
So let me just go through a couple of housekeeping things
and then we'll jump right into it.
Any questions so far?
Remember, this is a discussion, not a presentation.
It's not a webinar.
So jump in, this is your meeting, enjoy it.
But just before we get going,
I'd love Todd or Tamara to just introduce yourselves.
I think most people know you,
but just give us a little of, you know,
who you are, what you do.
And then we'll give everybody a quick opportunity
just to introduce themselves.
Thank you.
I'll start and then hand it off to Tamara.
We're Todd and Tamara with Destiny 508.
And we help ministries and churches
get their tax exempt status with an alternative tax code
other than 501C3.
It is 508C1A for faith-based organizations.
Tamara.
I know, we're big fans.
Yes.
You set up brilliant church for us.
So yeah, well done.
It was good, thank you.
So I'm Tamara Ingwall, my handsome husband there.
But we also have, as part of that,
we do a very robust training for people
who are just getting into being a nonprofit
and starting a church or starting their ministry.
So we have a huge training program
and about almost 500 people that we mentor.
and helping them grow their ministries and be compliant and all that kind of good stuff.
So we love loving on our people and that's what we get to do.
Yeah, and we live in Texas have an office in Washington State and our larger ministry
parent organization Divine Alliance International is there to equip leaders
who are expanding the kingdom of God in the marketplace ministry and missions.
So that's what we do.
Oh great.
Well, I hope you'll you guys particularly will enjoy this is your place where you
get to receive and enjoy and and you know, I think these inner circles are set
up so that we can enjoy an open conversation at a certain level and that's why
I was excited to be able to make this an overtly Kingdom group and so very
exciting Glenn.
Do you want to jump in just introduce yourself to the group who you are and
what you're doing?
Yes.
Thank you.
Yeah, and hello everyone.
As Dylan mentioned Dylan and I will actually I'll preface if I said you and
I actually go quite for quite a way back.
We've we originally met in in when we were in the military together and have
had the privilege of working together in building businesses.
Ministries and and so on my career has largely been in in the corporate space
consulting and I was with PricewaterhouseCoopers PwC until I retired just
in January and at this point in time, I'm working with Dion to see how we can
take the Edge program and actually translate that to what I believe is a
massive opportunity in a need which is these large, you know Enterprise
organizations that really struggle with I believe a lot of the issues that the
Edge can address and in particular, I think what's really exciting to me is
the kingdom dimension of this.
So as you mentioned, there's an overt and a covert in talking to the Enterprise
that would be, you know, a little bit more covert, but I'm really super
excited as well on the overt side in terms of really having these type of
conversations of you know, a Kingdom Advantage and how we as believers can
really be pursuing what the Lord has for us.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Thanks, Glenn.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, so translating this to different organizations also by having different
inner circles.
We can have also have different guest speakers who address the very specific
elements that we're interested in in our particular inner circle, but I love
this particular group because we all know each other and we've all been
together for a while and we have some traction and history together and so we
can just click it up a notch and take it to where it needs to go.
So yeah, as part of this is yeah, we do meet the first Wednesday 1 p.m.
Eastern every month when I first told you I said we'll do it for 10 months.
We're just going to do it every month because people are joining at different
times and trying to administrate which which month they do and don't get as
complicated just be generous and give it to them.
So we're just going to do it every month.
So if you can't make it, you know, you do have the app.
So if you go to my edge dot group, that's the web version.
I believe within this month.
We should get the iOS version Bruce.
Is that right iOS and Android versions?
Yep.
And and so but the chat the chat group has also been added in there.
So if you're looking for the bot if you want access to all the training we did
on the edge and all these sessions what we're going to do is I'm going to make
a unique bot just for this inner circle meaning we're going to bring all the
kingdom stuff into this.
So when you ask it, hopefully it gives a somewhat intelligent answer.
Sometimes the bots is some really dumb things.
So don't just be aware.
It's a bot.
It's a piece of software, you know trying to be smart.
So but it says it very boldly and confidently like a five-year-old who
doesn't know anything, you know, sometimes it does that.
So there you go, you know use your own discretion.
But the idea is to give you a quick reference like, you know, you know, so
that you can access the information super quick.
So the way that bot was programmed is we literally create a transcript of every
one of the 40 sessions that we did on the edge.
So all that that edge training we did all 40 sessions.
We shoved that through an AI put a created transcripts and then fed the
transcripts into the bot.
Actually, it's all set up to run automatically as we finish these calls.
They automatically go in they automatically get transcribed.
They automatically get pushed to the bot.
So as we keep talking the bot should catch up over time.
So I hope that's useful to you.
If you want a quick reference and you want to know what's where.
Also, we took the 40 sessions and divided them into nine modules so that it's
more manageable.
And what we're going to do is
every month when we get together,
we're going to talk about one of the modules.
And since we sort of did a bit of a reset,
we're gonna go back to module one this week,
but each module's got four talks in it.
So they're on the app, your team can watch it.
I, and I would really, again, best practice,
one of the best practices I've ever done
moving into a new business is setting up weekly training.
Whether it's half an hour, an hour, absolutely do this.
And the reason is the, yeah,
so the Edge training then is all in the,
it's all in the app,
and your whole team can get access to that app.
So there's two groups in the,
when you go to the app, there are two groups.
One is in a circle that only you see,
and the other one is Edge training, which is for everyone.
So if you go to myedge.group, you should be in there.
If not, let us know.
If you need anybody, if you need help,
just email me directly
in the absence of Dion not being available.
So just Dion at I-49 group.
Bridget can drop that in the link.
I'm sure you all have it.
So, excellent.
In the kingdom of Apple.
I was just reading the comments.
Great.
So good.
Are we all ready to go?
So when we do this laser coaching,
when we do this session two,
if you have something ahead of time,
or you want to make sure we get to it,
you're very welcome to go on the app.
There's a section called community, and there's questions.
Put them in there,
and then I'll review that before the next meeting,
and we'll just make sure you're up for the hot seat stuff.
So if you want to say,
hey, I'd really love the whole group's input on this.
I'm really struggling with this.
I'm struggling with that.
You know, we've done hot seats before,
but we want to do it every single month.
We want to get down to solving real problems together.
Okay, so, and then the last point is,
you know, part of these 12 meetings,
two of them will be in person,
one on the West Coast, one on the East Coast.
The one on the East Coast is going to be great
because it's going to be at the Atlanta Motorsport Parkway,
which is, if you've never been on a track before,
and you've never done anything like that,
you will love this.
This is designed for complete beginners.
You don't have to have any experience at all.
If you do have some experience, you'll enjoy it anyway.
It's one of the most challenging tracks,
and they've got instructors, but they also have go-karts.
So we can do two tracks.
We can take the light go-kart version
and just go out and have a lot of fun and hang out.
We'll do about half an hour of training.
You can ride off with your taxes as training day,
and we're all good to go.
That'll be here in Atlanta.
The other one will be on the West Coast.
Awesome.
Anything else?
Okay.
Very good.
Yes, Robin, go for it.
The bot that you were talking about,
if we go to,
if we want to access that,
is that where it says what's on your mind
and you put your question in there?
You can go to the replay.
It's in there.
In about a week or two, Bruce,
we'll be able to have the bot
as an actual connection in the app.
In the meantime, if you want to copy down the link,
I just dropped, it's there too.
If you want to just go directly there.
Okay.
All right, I see it.
I see the bot.
Yeah, yeah.
So you can just go to the bot
and it will do all things, the edge.
Thank you.
Okay.
So we'll just use the web version
until the iOS and the Android versions are available.
So we're improving it every,
we are trying to improve it every month.
Okay.
So the objectives for today are threefold.
One, we want to talk today
about light and effective leadership,
your big kingdom advantage.
Number two, we'll do some laser coaching.
Number three, we'll get into the edge program for your team.
Most of it will be on this first part.
What I'm excited about being able to do
is to be able to talk kingdom advantage.
And the, you know,
there must be some advantage to our leadership.
You know, when I was running,
when I was running Catalyst,
I loved it, you know, in 2018,
many of you heard me say this,
we did, you know, I can't remember a lot of events,
about 17 events and trained over 70,000 leaders.
And they were Christian leaders.
I would say about 30, 40% were business leaders.
And we brought all these leaders in and authors
and they presented and the leaders were amazing.
I mean, leadership is a grace gift.
If you look at the gifts, the father gives,
the gift Jesus gives,
and the gifts the Holy Spirit gives,
the Holy Spirit, we know the nine gifts
the Holy Spirit gives.
We know the five gifts Jesus gives,
you know, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists.
And then there are the 17 gifts.
that the father gives, leadership, you know, mercy, administration, and so on. Each one has a gateway
gift. In the grace gifts, it's leadership. Leadership gift opens up the way for all the
other gifts. Of the fivefold, it's the prophet. The prophet opens up because the first generation
prophet calls the next generation apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, and then of course on the on the
nine gifts of the spirit is speaking in tongues because it's the only one that's completely at
your will. You can just speak in tongues. The rest you have to, you know, receive the gift.
That's the one you get to turn on and off and get to practice. Paul said, I speak in tongues more
than you all. So, you know, but love is the big thing. All right, so let's go back to that doesn't
mean don't speak in tongues if you love. I love the way that gets preached sometimes. Okay, you
just need to be loving. Forget the tongues. And I go, no, no, tongues is key. It's a power gift.
Don't forget it. So, here's the deal with the kind of leadership. So, then I noticed sitting
at Catalyst, the leadership was helpful. Downstairs leadership is a helpful thing.
You know, Proverbs says, wisdom calls aloud in the streets. So, wisdom is wisdom. Doesn't matter
where it comes from, right? And so, we can learn from anyone. We can learn from the world. We can
learn leadership. But what's the upstairs leadership? And of course, is why we launch
Brilliant Leadership or now the Brilliant School of Leadership to really focus heavily on this. But
this conversation with you, I would like to take to a whole different level.
I would like to talk about, at some point, how your kingdom leadership feels to you.
How that affects you personally, where you live as a kingdom leader. And so,
I'm going to read a well-known scripture, if you've been around Brilliant any length of time,
you know, there are a couple of scriptures we really spend time on. People say, you do know
there's more than four scriptures in the Bible through this course, right? And here's the reason
why. At first, we hear a scripture, we know about the scripture. Then we start to learn what it means
and then we become it. So, the question is, if you hear a verse and you say, I've become that,
that's good. And then you're probably becoming more and more of that. So, Matthew 11, 28 to 30
is where we want to pick our landing point. So, Jesus said this. Now, think of this purely in
leadership. I'm going to apply this totally to your leadership. Come to me, all you are weary
and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle
and humble in heart and you will find rest for your souls. My yoke is easy and my burden is light.
This is a really fun scripture because from a kingdom viewpoint, from a leadership viewpoint,
let's translate some of those words into more leadership words without changing the meaning.
Weary and burdened. Can I change that to stressed or anxious, right? Okay,
leadership word for yoke. When God puts his arm around you, when he yokes with you,
we could call that partnership, right? Would that be all right? So, what if we change yoke
to partnership? When he says, learn from me, he's not just saying learn spiritual things,
he's learned everything you need for your life and for your business. Would everybody agree to that
description? Yeah. Now, the word easy there in the Greek is literally the word Christos,
and it's where we get the English word Christian from, where we get our, so the derivative, it means
it means pleasant and helpful. The word literally translated from the Greek, and there's a lot of
variants of that word, but fundamentally it means comfortable, pleasant, enjoyable, but massively
effective. So, I'm going to change easy to effective and pleasant, and then burden is what he
actually wants you to carry. Most of us carry the weight of the outcomes of our business, right?
We feel the weight. I got to do payroll end of the month. We feel the weight of a new initiative. We
feel and carry the weight, and the Lord is saying, that's what I want to exchange for the one I want
you to be carrying. So, we need to be taking a second say, so what is it we should be carrying?
So, let me take those five words and rewrite the Kingdom Leadership Edition, and it would sound
something like this. Come to me, all you are stressed and anxious, and I will give you rest.
Take my partnership on you, and learn everything you need for your life and for your business
directly from me. I'm gentle and humble in heart.
you will find rest for your souls for my partnership is effective and pleasant
and you carry only what i want you to carry and that is light
now right away we can say yep not my leadership maybe days i have that
but that's not what the lord's offering us what's on offer from jesus here and this is a verse
that we have taught so much on in the last three years at brilliant that i'm thinking okay i know
that well i might know about that i might even be learning but have i become that can i truly say
that there's a lightness and an effectiveness that comes from my leadership am i leading from
a place that's light and massively effective because i my confidence is 100 based in who
the lord is so my question to you is
what jesus is offering what's available to you personally this light and massively effective
leadership that's so confident in his partnership that we find rest for our souls what does a
restful leader a calm restful leader that's functioning at that lightness what is that
like for your team to be around you firstly what is life for you
what is that like for you what would what would change for you if if that were if that were your
permanent state of being if there if the lightness of being that came from that type of partnership
with the lord is so established in you you know um how would that how would that what would that
change for you anybody want to jump in maybe you've experienced some of it anybody experienced
some of it say i've had i've had days yeah i've had my days yeah go ben i think we catch glimpses
of it right i mean i i would love to spend more time in that place um it's peaceful it's effective
it's uh it's fun it's lots of fun and and i'm generally fun to be around when i'm in that
so yeah i would rather spend more time in that place yeah yeah and jesus is offering it so that's
cool interests are aligned if i can add something like one of the things i think i struggle with
is i don't sound like a person from rest when i'm trying to communicate or hold people accountable
you know like i'm trying to let them wear the jacket of pain or make sure they get it if that
makes sense and i think that yeah that doesn't make me i don't i don't how do you hold someone
accountable and practice rest at the same time yeah well you're raising a big issue there that's
a great question yeah somebody else was going to comment yeah i was going to say that's that kind
of hit the nail on the head for me because you know i can do pretty my so just to kind of back
up just a tad abiding is really the key for me and how to sum that up versus the visitation
you know the visitational versus the habitational you know with the spirit and just walking in that
whenever i whenever i take on the the response the ultimate responsibility that's when i put that
weight on and it's just and i'm burdened and i'm stressed out and i have all this pressure
but as soon as i put it back and i'm like no lord you know i'm just your steward i'm just you're the
ceo you know um you know it all really boils down to trust you know am i trusting in him to do
everything and he's carrying the weight or am i my is this all by my doing and obviously the reality
is it's all him and so the pressure he gets as well and he his shoulders are big enough to to
carry it when and um i'm you know it really weighs heavy on me at times and i and then i take it out
on a lot of times my family it just bleeds over and i'm just you know i'm just so wound up and
stressed out and you know i i go overboard in my disciplining and i just sometimes i just take it
out on them and it's and then i feel horrible and i'm just in this kind of spiral because i'm just
so mad at myself i get angry that i'm dealing with things in this way and then i just finally
have to go to the lord and just reset start over apologize to everybody and then uh and repent
But to what we were just talking about there, what was it?
What was it?
Oh, the jacket of shame thing and all that.
That's kind of a big one for me, because I feel like I
want to represent this peace and calm and all this kind of stuff.
But when I'm trying to convey things to the team,
and I want them to understand the gravity of the situation,
you know what I mean, of certain things.
We can't neglect certain things.
And there's consequences and repercussions
if we don't manage things properly.
And I'm trying to really get that through to them.
And sometimes it doesn't come across as easy and light
and all that kind of stuff, you know what I mean,
because I'm trying to just get them to get the picture.
But in the meantime, I'm sounding like worrisome and overly,
I don't know, I just.
Well, you're saying the same, you and Tyler are saying,
you got the same root challenge that you're bringing up, right?
And so how do you decouple the downstairs stuff
that you have to deal with, with the upstairs peace and lightness?
Let me have Robin and then Tamara weigh in.
Yeah, I had two examples.
Maybe we can talk about some of these in the hot seat sections.
But I know I was in a deposition last week regarding,
I don't know if you guys are aware of the Nelson's situation
that it's a park.
And I thought in my mind that I had turned this over to God.
I said, God, if you want to give it away, fine, it's all yours.
If you want to give it to me, that's fine.
Whatever you want to do is fine.
Then in that deposition, there were some accusations,
some lies and things like that.
And all of a sudden for three nights, I can't sleep, you know,
because I thought I had given it away.
And then my relationship with money
apparently isn't where I thought it was.
So that was one example.
And then last night I woke up at two o'clock.
And usually I guess it's the nights tell me
where my heart's at.
But anyway, and I was anxious and was what was going.
And what I was thinking was I'm hearing, you know, the economy
and all the things that are going on in the world.
And I was thinking, well, maybe I need to buy that 20 acres
in Virginia up on that mountain.
I need to get a bunker up there and put to you.
I mean, these are thoughts that are going through my mind at two o'clock
in the morning.
And it's and it was because of this anxiousness and fear
of what I see happening around in our nation and in the world right now.
So I just I think it was Billy Graham wrote a book, Peace with God.
And I just keep going back to that.
I just want to have peace.
And that that one verse in Colossians three says,
let the peace of Christ rule in your heart.
And I just kind of jump on that scripture and and rebuke the devil.
And that's kind of the way I handle it.
But I thought it was somewhere when I'm, you know, upstairs.
But really, I was really working from the downstairs.
Yeah. Well put, Tamara.
I love that question, and I'm happy to feel
years of Graham Cook pouring out of me at this moment
because I'm thinking of the answer that
I find it easier to extend that kind of peace
and grace and kindness and gentleness and that response,
that godly response to other people on my staff or on my team
or on whatever, rather than I do to myself.
So I catch myself a lot in
what I'm thinking or storytelling in my head
that expands whatever the situation is into something much bigger
than God ever made it to be, which is that, you know, that's
that's this earthly realm storytelling rather than bringing God into the journey.
The one thing that I've learned in the last several months,
God's been really teaching me how to do this probably the last six months
is how to have what I'm calling clearing conversations.
And first with God, before I start trying to have a clearing
conversation with anybody else in my team or my family
so that what I represent to them is from upstairs and not downstairs.
And so if I can get rid of the downstairs with God first,
before I start approaching the challenging people in my world or the situation,
I have yet to conquer really the sense of overwhelmed.
I love how you rephrase this, because overwhelmed seems to.
happen in my work world. It doesn't generally happen in my, my, my personal world. Todd,
you can correct me on that. But my work world is where overwhelmed hits. And so I love the
rephrasing of that. And I've been reading it in the passion translation while you were talking.
But if you could anyway, write that up and just kind of send it to us to look at.
Yeah, I appreciate that. I also just dropped in the chat the that was the,
you know, there was the new kingdom leadership version, never to be published.
So you guys are raising the same core issue, right? So the core issue around here is what
we're talking around is, is there a disconnect? Can we decouple the downstairs from our upstairs?
And it's less about decoupling or what the Bible calls self-control. So remember that
self-control is like your pause button, you can get put the pause on your circumstances,
you can hit the pause button on the person you're talking to. But more importantly,
put the pause button on yourself. So you don't have to get sucked down into the downstairs
so that you can be mean and tough. So you can deal with an employee who's not getting it.
Then you go back upstairs and be peaceful. You can do both. And there's this is the,
this is that pause button is the key. By the way, thanks for all the compliments about Graham. I
appreciate that. Because that's Graham was one of the people in my life where I think came at such
a critical time. I've known Graham much longer than we've worked together. And we've known each
other in a I think he first came to stay in my home about 2014 or 13 or around there. And we got
to know each other. And, and I remember about a year into that conversation, Graham said to me,
you're one of the few people in the world I can sit to and I feel like it's a it's an equal,
you know, and an equal sharing, which I thought was a massive overstatement, because I didn't
feel very equal at all. But kind, but through the process of the own our own deep issues in
business that we had to walk through Bridget and I, it was several years. And although at the end,
the Lord's promise to us is that nothing will become of this. And that's exactly what happened.
Nothing became of it. You know, lawsuits were dropped, and all the other stuff, you guys know
the story. But what I want to bring out here is, it was a phenomenal opportunity in the midst of it.
I remember Graham saying to me, here's your time to learn this, because you're going to help so
many other leaders learn this too. And you know, the best time to learn it is when nothing's
peaceful, you're in the middle of a lawsuit, stuff's happening, your employees are bailing on you,
you know, the revenues and what you thought, you launch a new program, and that collapsed,
you know, your new, your new ventures is struggling. Fantastic learning opportunity.
I don't believe for a second God frustrates anything we do. But I did. And by the way,
the thing, you know, when Graham and I sat down last year, and we said, what's the biggest
contribution we can make in our organization. And we realized that him and I spending two to
three hours every week just working on our theology, and its various applications.
I'm so excited to see that those applications. So when we launched Brilliant Church,
Richard and I just did four weeks of marriage counseling purely from a new man perspective.
You know, if you discovered who your partner was in Jesus, you'd fall in love all over again.
And we went through this, and it was the type of thing I've never taught anywhere.
And not to say that some aren't. But my point I'm making is, now we're making the application here.
This is not a fairy tale, wishful thinking. Well, that sounds lovely. This is a hardcore invitation
from the three. And Jesus specifically lays it out for us. He said, come and learn from me.
Why did he say that? Why didn't he say learn from the Father? He said, come and learn from me.
And that's why we coined the term direct learning. Because Jesus, Paul later on said, don't do that
sin stuff. Don't do all that silly stuff. That's not how you learn to Christ. There is a learning,
certainly not an earning. But in the kingdom, there's all about the learning. As you know,
the downstairs is, you know, you work your knowledge up until you qualify, you know,
becoming a doctor. So you study all the doctor stuff, and then you gain enough information,
then you big, a big test, and then you qualify. In the kingdom, you start off with fullness.
and then you learn to walk into it so you start with a reward you start with a qualification
and then you learn to use it's like become you're made a doctor and then you learn to be a doctor
and you learn to be what you are in the lord and i say that because i want to demystify
for me for the longest time somehow in my mind i managed to separate out that spiritual stuff
this is real leadership and so i would be you know sweet leading worship on sunday or not lead
worship preaching on sunday but then being tough with employees during the week because i thought
that's what it needed i thought i had to be and then i realized from the lord i can be super clear
i can hold employees accountable and i can stay upstairs i can call him out and call him up
you know and saying this is not who you are you're so much more than this but this thing
you just did this could cost you your job that if this happens again you've got 30 days to fix this
and if this is not addressed and that's what it looks like have your resume in order because
you're leaving we're going to release you to an environment that will put up with that sort of
thing this is not one of those but hey that's not who you are you're so much more than that
start calling him up so you can be super clear as you call them out but then be clear as you
call them up and even if they don't necessarily know the lord or they're very young in their
relationship with the lord that's okay you know you can still say things like that in fact i think
recently jenny and i had to do exactly that we had a very very clear conversation and these are the
three things that are causing you but your job is not at risk right now nobody needs to live here's
the kindness thing nobody needs to live wondering if they the next call into the office is the end
of their job nobody ever needs to live like that god doesn't do that to you don't do that to your
team so when it is like that tell them where the 30 day clock has started in 30 days time this is
what we want to see if that's not there we're done you're out so and it's amazing how many times when
you call that 30 days they resign within a week right which is fine you know let them go to a place
which wants to put up with that or maybe there's nothing wrong with them it's just that their
learning is so slow and the gap is growing your team is growing faster than them and that gap is
getting bigger and bigger it's unkind to keep people in that space it's just unkind so i i'm
trying to be super practical route down to it so what does this partnership actually means
i would like to propose that when jesus made this offer he wasn't being transactional
every time you're stressed come and get rest i think a lot of us are in that mode i think ben
you alluded to this earlier i have my moments right what if he wasn't asking for that what
if he was offering a permanent exchange what if we outlawed stress in our lives
what if we said from this day on i'm going to so take the lord up on his offer
that i'm outlawing stress so hey the old the old man still has habits because where does stress
come from what is it it's you feeling alone under the pressure you're in right that's would
you agree that's the source of stress because if you knew the law was with you like as i-41
promises i'll be with you i will help you surely i'll be with you i'll strengthen your right arm
i'll go with you and then he says and everything that comes against you i'll be with you and i'll
make all that opposition as nothing all that headwind you're taking from your markets from
your some of the failures from your learning from your stuff i'll i'll make it as nothing
and then thirdly i'll make you a threshing sledge and you will crush down mountains and make big
issues small that's what god's going to teach you to do but then there's
the fourth level that he comes up with so here's what i think is his plan at least the way i'm
learning it directly from him it might be helpful to think of a building with floors
not messing with the upstairs downstairs analogy for a second but just a different analogy
level ground level where we have to learn to walk with the lord is from as i-41 i will be with you
so it's he it's it's his presence help i'll be with you i'll strengthen you and so on the next
level up is the next floor up is i will give you protection help when you take on that new
venture when you bring on that new employee when you step out in faith and it doesn't work and all
that stuff happens i'll protect you i'll go with you and i'll protect you the next floor up is he
saying, I will make you a powerful weapon. I'll make you effective in your industry. I'll make
you effective in business. I'll make you effective in what you're doing. That's level three. But did
you notice, if you know that scripture, you know that level four exists and doesn't involve you.
Seven times afterwards the Lord goes and says, and I will. And then he says seven things he's
going to do. And then he says, and everyone will know the hand of the Lord has done this.
The floor four needs the other three floors to exist.
If you start this adventure, you're about to unleash at level four. God says, I will make
rivers in the desert. Cedars I'll plant in the desert. There will be springs in the valleys
and the poor will be fed and have water. And then he goes through all these miraculous things he's
going to do. And there's not a single mention of you in it. That's the plan folks. You want to blow
into that, into the kingdom realm. There's a point in which the King says, I got it. Thanks. Thanks
for providing the three floors. We got it. Floor four extends all the way into heaven.
It's not a floor anymore. And notice how they build on each other. It's not like one, you know,
all three have to exist. You can't say now I'm past level one. Yes, you are always doing. That's
why he says three times, I will help you. Level one, I'll help you. Level two, I'll help you.
Level three. And then I will do all this cool stuff. A lot of times as Christian leadership,
I've heard is all the level four stuff. I'll do all the level four stuff. Just trust me.
And I don't see that in the scriptures. There's a learning
from Jesus. So why learn from Jesus, not the three? Because Jesus had to learn.
Jesus had to learn. He had to learn from the father. And the same way Jesus learned
is the same way you learn. Because what the father designed to work for Jesus was designed
to work for you. So when Jesus says, be this, do that, let peace reign, let do this, do this,
you have a capability of that type of leadership in you, in him. And that's why you can't do it.
Graham recently proposed the idea that the word yo could be replaced as God's putting his arm
around you. I love that. It's very, very personal. In a business context, he's your, he's, he's,
he's linking with in a true partnership. And a lot of times we say, okay, Lord, you lead this.
And so Lord, no, no, let's lead it together. It's co lead this thing. But to learn to co lead,
you have to learn to co know, you have to know what he knows. So co, co leading, means co knowing,
which is the Greek word metanoia to change, we clearly translated as the English word repent.
And what it really means is part of agreeing with God about you agreeing with God about
this partnership, which which then speaks to a very close conversation.
And the craziest thing is God trusts you. You know, sometimes you do. Sometimes you have a
partner and they go out and do something and you just trust them and they're gonna do it right.
Other times you, you talk about things, and then you and your partner go and do different things.
You know, so I see we're looking for a verse as I 41. Yeah. So I have 41.
Is I 49, by the way, is where I 49 gets its name from, just in case you're wondering.
So let's go through this, this break this down. So there. So here's what the how the Lord taught
it to me. I said, Lord, teach me this. And the Lord said, there is no need for you to carry the
weight of outcomes. I want you to exchange that. I said, for what he says for the delight in our
partnership, the rest, exchange that for rest. And then and then it dawned on me. We all know why God
put you in Jesus, right? Give you a new nature, give you eternal destiny, your adopted child.
We know why God put you in Jesus. But why did God put Jesus in you?
Good question, isn't it? You know, a few Christians can answer this.
Why did God put Jesus in you, you put you in Jesus, you are hidden with Christ in God,
we get this part, our salvation, our new nature, everything Jesus paid for is ours,
we have an inheritance, because Jesus in you is that deep partnership, the oneness of what it
would be like if he were running this business. You are the Jesus running this business, not.
get weird but just for a second if you give me a little latitude there what we're saying is Jesus
in you is the one who's you're partnering with that must mean several things one he has passions
about what you're doing he has opinions he wants to hire this person not that person
the lord the lord has if if we can't translate what a normal partnership would be like with
someone else those are the same partnerships so the questions then is we may not be asking the
lord all the right questions we might be just being in child obedience my lord tell me what
to do i'll go and do it mode and and he's like no we're not that would be weird i don't want to do
that i want to treat you as a son or a daughter i want to treat you at that level so what do
you think we should do so i think it comes down to this key word um and that is and then i'm gonna
wrap this up jesus said this is eternal life you know jesus defined what eternal life was
does anyone know what he defined as eternal life top of your head yeah that you may know
the one true god and jesus christ whom he sent so eternal life is knowing jesus knowing your
partner knowing the father knowing his heart knowing the holy spirit and then he said the
glory he's praying to the he's praying to to the father and he says father the glory you have given
me i've also given them so that word glory is an interesting word because it speaks of an exalted
state by the way that's where brilliant perspectives gets its name its root source is
this higher perspective this exalted state the living upstairs if you like there's a glory
which is this unbelievable lightness of being and massively effective
people can't people who aren't upstairs can't do this and i just haven't seen a lot of teaching
around okay this is how you leave from your glorious exalted state but let's be i'm sure
the lord is gonna i'm sure there's many who are going to be doing this and i'm sure many are i
just haven't heard them but that doesn't mean they don't exist so if you're up for the plan here
i'm up for the plan so i asked the father because we're all into this direct learning thing you know
now we're talking about jesus i said jeez if you sat down if if we invited you as the special guest
to our inner circle which you are anyway because we all brought you here so obviously he's here
we brought him into the meeting right so um i we don't we don't have an orphan spirit so we know
he would just talk to us so i said so i'll put myself out on behalf of these leaders
tell me how you would teach us if you said it to us straight and so i wrote that for you
see see how this sounds so this is jesus this is my impression uh full disclosure my
understanding of how jesus would teach us this directly if he were our special guest here today
beloved you're my bride you're the object of my affection i love you and i adore you
i want you to be a part of my life as much as i want to be part of yours
i want to be in your leadership with you i've already paid a price for you to have a glorious
inheritance this includes your leadership how you lead brings life to those around you
my kingdom is being built by such kingdom leaders your leadership is meant to be like no other
because you and i are one there are no limits to your leadership in me there is no need to carry
the weight of the outcomes rather i want you to be delighted in our partnership together
my partnership is easy it is pleasant to you and it is so effective it will amaze you
i desire that you be a leader that has an inner lightness of being because your confidence is in
me as you learn to lean on our partnership you'll live astonished by my goodness
you will learn you already have all the favor you need from heaven because you are in me and i
am in you let me teach you how
are to let that favor go before you
and make a way for your business.
Every day, I ask you to make this exchange.
Give me the weight of outcomes,
and in return, you find rest for your soul.
I love our learning together.
I will teach you my ways in your business specifically.
You will discover my passion for leading together with you.
I have a dream for our partnership
and every venture that we embark on together.
I can accelerate your learning in this partnership.
I am a quickening spirit.
What used to take a year could take a month,
and what used to take a month could take days,
and what used to take days could take hours.
This is what will make you an astonishing leader.
It is not how much you know,
but it's how comfortable you are in our partnership.
This is our new partnership together.
You are free to stop doing things for me
and start doing things with me.
The glory the Father gave me, I have given you.
You are meant to live an exalted life in me.
Your leadership is designed to be light,
pleasant, and highly effective.
Take up my offer.
You're not limited to come to me just when you're stressed.
I'm inviting you to live a stress-free life
and amaze those around you.
Make this your permanent place from which you lead.
Abide in me, and you will bear the fruit
the Father has prepared before and for you to walk in.
Amen.
So,
did that touch you guys?
I hope it did.
Yeah.
So-
I want that.
No.
Amen to that.
Or do I sign?
Yeah.
You sign, yeah.
Yeah.
Cool things are e-paid for.
Yeah.
I can, I'll drop that in the app when we're done.
For you.
Yeah.
I just wanted, I wanted to,
to catch the way the Lord talks to me.
And the way the Lord talks to me,
I realized is the way he wants me to talk to my team.
He's modeling the mode and tone of leadership with me,
the same way he wants to model the tone of leadership,
you know.
So we can do, we can take on tough things.
We can deal with all the tough issues
and never be pulled downstairs.
We just abide up there in the place of our inheritance.
So, how exciting is that?
Game changing.
Yeah.
I always wonder, you know, people, so, you know,
we talk in our group a lot about, you know,
find your fight and you don't have to have an opinion
on every fight.
You just have to have his opinion on your fight.
And that frees you up from all this politics
and this stuff and the stuff that's going on in society.
And, you know, do I have to have an opinion on this
and this and this?
I don't, I don't have to opinion on all of this.
And, you know, if something comes towards me,
I can pray and bless and help others who are doing it,
but I don't have to make their fight my fight.
And I think for me personally,
this is very deeply personal,
my fight is to change leadership.
I wanna change our business around and led,
and I wanna change our families are led.
That's what Bridget and I have dedicated our lives to this.
And we wanna also change our ministries are led.
Because it's all great when you're part of,
when you're in the ministry,
and then when you get behind the scenes,
my goodness, you go, are we really even a ministry?
We're a church?
Whoa, you know, why is that?
And why do 70% of pastors in their lives
not serving the Lord at all?
I'm not talking about being in the ministry,
I'm just not serving the Lord at all.
Because what happened is their inner world,
what they had to, the territory they wanna try to take
was bigger than the territory
they'd taken in their own hearts.
Until you take that territory upstairs,
it's very dangerous.
to try to take that territory downstairs. And God in His kindness will often not let us do that.
He will not let us extend ourselves to something that the pressure outside will be greater than
the pressure inside, and therefore we implode. That's why you see ministries marriages implode.
What's happened is they've built beyond their inner world. They've built beyond what their
marriages can support, beyond what their inner life can support. So I have this dream.
What if we created kingdom leaders who functioned like we just talked about,
who had this lightness of being, were massively effective, stayed upstairs, always at peace,
totally calm, dealt with the issues super head on, no messing about when it came to dealing with
and calling out stuff. Can call it out, but can also call it up. And people around them feel
it's so life-giving. They're like, I will do anything. I don't believe what they believe,
but my goodness, whatever they believe, I love it because I'm the beneficiary of it.
And that they don't want, they don't have to wonder
what it would be like to have Jesus lead their team because they've got you,
Christ in you, the hope of glory. So there we go. That's my fight. Welcome.
Welcome to the kingdom. I always want to talk about the king more than I talk about the kingdom.
I'm always nervous when I hear kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom. Oh yeah, PS king,
kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, PS king. I don't like this. I don't think that's an
upstairs view. I think it's a downstairs excitement about the kingdom. And I don't
want that for me and for the people around us. So, okay. Let me ask you quickly where we can
jump straight into a little bit of hot seat stuff. We can go to section two, but before we do that,
any thoughts, what's your takeaway? It'd be great to have some feedback. I'm not looking for
compliments. I'm looking for what helped you. What are your, were you just right now when we
read that direct learning piece, what did the Lord open up in your own heart? Love to hear.
Why don't I give everyone a shot? I heard the, the word permissions, you know, that
God gives me permissions to do and go certain ways. And that's one of the first questions I
think I have to ask is, do I have permission? Not only in my personal life, but in business life
too, you know, do we have permission to take this territory or not? And I spend, spin my wheels a
lot of times going places that I don't have permission for. So that was what I heard.
That's fantastic, Rowan. Jenny, do you want to go next?
Oh, sure I can. I think the thing is that is really, I'm just thinking about right now is
the internal territory that we take in order to take the external territory, because it's always
about the relationship that we have with him first and foremost, and out of that place of connection
and growth in him, we take the external territory. And so, and I like the levels that you have,
because that goes in levels and layers, and we're constantly learning in those levels and layers.
So that's really what's sitting with me right now. That's great. Bridget?
I love those levels. And, you know, I think when you really learn to depend on him,
then he takes into a whole new level of abundance. And we, it's not up to us anymore,
but we do have to come and partner ourselves with him. But I also love that permission that
Robin spoke of, I think that we tend to sometimes have a very limited expectation of the Lord and
what he can do in our business. And I think being able to just expand that is wonderful and be,
you know, moving his permission. Yeah, well, but for those who don't know,
Jenny is here as the leader of Brilliant Perspectives and Bridget on Brilliant Church.
So they're here in their own right in their own area of responsibility, just so that, you know,
so that's their application. Todd? Partnering with Jesus, I don't know, it just hit me different
and not being responsible for the outcome. And so that allowed me to focus internally on
getting Jesus in the partnership of creating the business and being able to do my part better.
And then instead of being split on like, I'm also responsible for the outcome.
Now it's just being, what is it called me to do? What's my assignment here?
So that was very supportive of what you said. Thank you.
And Tamara, do you want to follow?
I do. I have lived the last several years of my life soaking with Graham, but the voice
that you spoke from your heart as Jesus, I instantly heard his voice. So that was very
precious to me, because I could take it in. I feel emotional about that. I'm not in this alone.
No, you're not. I have a really powerful partner.
Yep. And I get to do my part, and he gets to do his. And how much easier in life is that?
Yeah. I don't have to know everything he does. Yeah. You know, so I just appreciated the stepping
into hearing him coming at from, you know, the words you said, speaking at it from the perspective
of, it's almost like, will you get out of my way and let me do my job? It's kind of where I took
that. And he's like, I just, please let me do my part. And I've given you your part. You're going
to be awesome at it, but let me do mine. Stop taking mine. You know, it's that I have to be in
control of all things moment. So I appreciated that perspective from him to be able to
kindly say, get out of my way and let me do my part. So thank you.
Yeah. Rich, what did you get?
Let's see. No, I would have to agree with Robin. It was definitely that moment of from that
perspective. It's all, this is newer on my end. So, and I'm more of a person that absorbs,
thinks it through, and then digests it and gets it out. So I'm, I'm soaking this in.
Most welcome. We're all learning. So no wrong answers, Ben.
So the media. No, to Ben, it's fine. Yeah. Sorry, Ben and Glenn sound the same. I suddenly realized.
I, I'm, I'm, I'm just enjoying his presence. That was beautiful. An invitation. I feel like just a
beautiful invitation to, to trust him. Those, those different floors. I think I do see the
progression and I've, and I've got to taste it, you know, just taste it. Man, I,
he is brilliant. And I love, like, if, if I could, if I could, you know, just continue to walk in
obedience and faith, you know, it's, it's amazing what he accomplishes around us. So I, I, it was
absolutely beautiful and an invitation that, man, is so, I want more, you know, I want more.
Yeah. Oh, thank you. Glenn, since we double booked you.
Like Todd, what really stood out to me was the freedom of not having to carry the weight of
outcomes. That, that is, I think that's where a lot of that stress comes from. It's just that,
that feeling like you're alone, you're having to carry everything. That's not the case. And then
the comment about, you know, the Lord's partnership is, is not transactional. You know,
if we shift into sort of servant mode, then it tends to become transactional,
but we send them out, send them out. And that's, that's that partnership. And I think that's so
incredibly free and, and joyful. So, yeah. So good. Yeah. Bruce.
Yeah. I love the idea of the, the doing this with me, not for me, I think. And then the,
the, the partnership that got a bunch of notes, but that's what really stood out to me.
And I imagine it like, like you said, if you, if you were doing a partnership of some kind and you,
you know, if you were the technical founder and you had someone who was insanely good at sales
and marketing, and then as a technical founder, you were doing it for, you're trying to do sales
like for that person. And he's like, oh, this is, that's really good. Like, do you want to let me
do the sales? Cause I can do the sales if you want, like I feel like that's a little bit of
the Holy spirit, just like sharing you know, that, and so it's, that is the with me. Hey,
like, how about you do the sales and marketing and I'll do, okay, that's a much better idea.
idea, you know, and it's the doing it with them. And then, of
course, doing it in each of those roles, you know, if you're
a founder, you're, you're typically bouncing, wearing a
lot of different hats, but it is partnering with Lord in each of
those those things and doing, okay, let's do this role
together. Like, let's do that role together. So I think that
that's what was kind of stood out to me.
Love it. Love it. Tyler. Now we'll go to Jeremy.
Yeah, I mean, I know my biggest moments of growth here has been
with the Lord, like it's been fully when he's told me
something or directed my thoughts or my steps. And like,
I think this morning, I was just reminded by well, direct
learning in general, and then that process of learning of
here, learn and then become. And that was really, really good.
Like I asked the question earlier, you know, how do you,
how do you hold someone accountable from a place of
rest, you know, and the thought that I was getting was me, I
just need to be a father to him. Like I've got to come to him as
a father, and ask questions. And like Jesus would do. I mean, I
preached on a last weekend, but like he answered everything
with a question. But it was still an answer. You know, like
he, which could be frustrating, but at the same time, like he,
he wanted learning to take place through the answer. And so I've
got to remind myself to be patient enough to ask questions.
And just be a father to those around me and not worry about
the outcome so much. So very good. Jeremy.
Well, you know, something that just that I've just that always
kind of comes to me and definitely has been been, I've
been hearing and, and what you spoke is just how, you know, in
the in the kingdom, how everything is just there's a
flow, you know, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's
just there's a flow, you know, and that's kind of how the
spirit likes to, to operate. And that's that light, you know,
wind in our sails, you know, when we're, when things are in
alignment, and we're in harmony with him, it's just, it's just,
there's just a default that just happens, it just happens. And,
and so I feel like, you know, in order, we can only impart what
we have ourselves, you know, and like you said, you know, just
taking that that ground upstairs, and it'll naturally
flow and transpire, you know, and that's that, that's the
beauty of it. And, you know, I try to keep the practical way to
say it, sometimes it's be like, you know, a lot of people in the
culture, it's about grinding, you know, grinding, we're
grinding. And I like to think of more of a grooving, you know what
I mean? Like, we're just grooving, it's just less
friction. With Holy Spirit. It's just like, you know, even when
you hit turbulence, like you said, that inside pressure, you
know, exceeds the outside pressure. And that's the
important key is just, it's all about the abiding and, and
hearing his voice and knowing his voice so that and, you know,
naturally, we're going to model his tone because we just we've
just become, you know, we've become, you know, so it's
beautiful.
I love that. Well, your leadership has to become
pleasant to you at some point, right? Before it'll be pleasant
to others. You know, about six months ago, the Lord put me on a
direct learning mode around, I want you to be as kind to
yourself as I am to you. I was like, oh, my, we have some
conversation to have. I'm sure many of you immediately connect
with that. Well, let me let me stop this part of the recording.