One live, testing, one, two, three, testing, one, two, three.
So we can go back here.
Let people in from the waiting room.
Let's see.
All right, testing, one, two, three.
All right, everybody's coming in.
Hello, hello.
Testing, one, two, three.
Let's see if this audio works.
What's up, Tiffany?
We got Marla's coming in.
Catherine, hello, hello.
I'm just getting everyone in from the waiting room here.
Got Michaela's in here.
Got the hand up already.
Way to go, way to go.
I know I was off traveling last week.
You guys had Megan in doing some deep dive.
That was real fun.
Also, there was the truly free
first accelerator bonus last week on Broasco.
Raise your hands who was able to make that one
or catch the replay.
I was able to catch about half of it.
So I'm excited.
I'm excited about where he's going with it.
I think Broasco is probably the,
it's one of the hardest ones to start with, to be honest.
It's pretty technical, but I'm really excited
as we keep going on.
Customer multiplier.
So he's doing two sessions on Broasco,
which again, if you're like really into the numbers
and learning all that stuff,
it's a really helpful concept to really catch.
However, if you're in the early stage of your business,
that might not make as much sense.
Strategy number two he goes into
towards the end of this month, early next month,
that's going to be the customer multiplier.
That's, I mean, when I think of truly free
and the brands he's built,
that's been one of the big things I've seen.
It's like just the word of mouth.
They've been able to engineer into the business
and then the fractal marketing will be how they end it.
So let me share my screen.
I'll just share kind of the overflow here.
So six sessions, right?
This was this last week.
And then these are the future ones.
I got an email as well from Jamie.
I don't know if you guys got that one,
but it basically was like a registration link
and a replay link.
Did anyone get that email?
If not, I'll put it in the chat here.
A replay link, replay link there.
It's a super long link.
And then the registration link,
I'll do another one will be the second link registration.
Yeah, really long links.
But yeah, so I got registered for the next one.
That's gonna be on September 27th tomorrow at 3 p.m.
And they are sending out the replays.
So just make sure you register, right?
You guys should all be on the list.
You should all be getting the replays,
but if you miss one, all good.
Just catch the replay.
Cool.
All right, with that, what we're gonna do,
can someone, let me just make sure my audio is working.
Someone unmute yourself, say hi.
Oh, you know what?
I think the audio is, same as system speaker.
No, that should work.
Okay.
Someone say hi.
Okay, cool.
Okay, sweet.
I don't wanna talk the whole time
and then have you guys muted.
So I've done that once.
Today I wanna kind of train on a specific thing
when it comes to the income topics.
I'd love to do that real quick at the beginning
and then we'll open it up for questions.
So if you guys are trying call to actions,
you're getting the freebie ebook out there,
maybe you're doing affiliate marketing,
whatever that pathway is you're choosing,
I would love to take a look at that,
see what's working, see what's not working
and consult with you on how we can take it
to the next level.
So I have a topic I wanna kind of dig into with you guys.
Also just a quick reminder,
keep filling out those accountability forms, right?
They go out every, we post it every,
basically today, Thursday.
And in that accountability form,
there's also a section where you can ask a question.
Of course, you can ask questions inside of the app.
And we look at the app,
I'm in there like two times a week,
one to two times a week,
just spending time answering questions.
We have team members in there as well.
We're even increasing that starting next week
on just when people are in the app.
So we're having more frequent help in the app.
But if you post it in the app, right?
And in the feed and you're not getting that feedback yet,
or there's something,
man, I'm just really stuck on this thing.
Drop it in the accountability form.
The accountability form goes to Tiffany.
She's on the call here.
And then it gets sent out to our success coaches.
But Tiffany takes a look at those questions
and then like organizes them,
like kind of finds, okay, here's like a trend,
like three or four people have asked the same thing
and she gets them to me or to you.
So I have kind of a list of those as well
that will sometimes hit right at the beginning
of these calls, okay?
So yeah, that being said, before we hop in,
are there any wins,
any wins in this influence income journey
you guys are seeing you want to celebrate?
Small, big, in the middle, any wins from this past week?
Breakthroughs you had, momentum you're seeing, anything like that
you want to share with the group.
I know there's a bunch of hands up for questions, so it is a small room.
So if you have a way and just click on mute and just go ahead and start talking.
Okay.
Because, uh, otherwise we're gonna have too many hands up.
So if you've got a way and share it, um, anybody, anybody, anybody,
Marla, Melinda, Heather.
I see Marla talking, but I don't see, I don't hear anything.
I know.
Nothing.
Yes.
Well, I have great views on my, um, the rate of that I'm posting.
Yes.
Great view in the thousands.
I started, you know, a thousand now I'm getting 40, 90,000.
So that's a huge win.
Wow.
That's incredible.
Speak on Marla a little bit too.
She updated her logo and her bio.
It looks great.
Her whole page, her content, everything is so good.
Wow.
Thank you, Tiffany.
Thank you for your feedback.
Of course.
One thing I like to do sometimes I'll show it.
It might take a second.
I put it in the background.
So it's loading.
Um, any other wins, any other wins, um, from the room, uh, momentum you're
saying in this influencing income journey, you can just unmute yourself
and say, cause I know we got hands up for a bunch of questions, but I see
one in the chat, Katie got over a hundred followers last night today.
I'm at one 28.
Wow.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
When you have a real hit, you know, sometimes it hits and
doesn't produce followers, right?
Sometimes it hits and it produces followers.
And that's when you see these things really start to bubble over.
That's awesome.
Okay.
Just for Marla, look at this.
Okay.
Sometimes I like to go to chat GPT and I just say, Hey, show
me a picture of 90,000 people.
Uh, oops.
There you go.
Look at that.
There's 90,000 people for you.
Isn't that crazy?
See, I always think about that view when I'm thinking, Oh,
I don't get in that many views.
I remember you always use that.
And I think I will have never imagined that amount of people.
Yeah.
That's pretty crazy.
Yeah.
I know sometimes on social media, you get desensitized to these numbers
and you're like, wow, that's, that's pretty wild.
That's pretty wild.
Uh, okay.
So, uh, any last chance for a win for, I hop into some content here.
Let me see if I'm good and share my iPad screen.
I should have connected this ahead of time, but let me see.
Quick time player.
There's a way I can do it.
I kind of wrote some stuff out on my iPad, but just kind of like a marketing
lesson that, that we have learned in our past, but we're still continuing learning.
And, um, uh, here we go.
It should just share in just a second.
As soon as it takes a second to connect the iPad.
So a new movie.
Okay.
It's going to work here.
Um, yeah, I think it'll work.
Okay.
Give me a thumbs up.
If you guys can see this here.
Um, screens, there we go.
All right.
Can you guys see that congruency?
Sweet.
Um, so I just want to do a quick training, five-minute training on this topic.
Um, keep it improving, you know, kind of your marketing skillset, right?
Because we know how to build influence.
Now we have a system to do that.
I'll take the consistency, refining that system.
And it's going to start to grow, start to grow, start to grow.
Right.
But then how do we take that influence and turn it into income and how do
we avoid mistakes along the journey?
So congruency is one of those things that I feel like I didn't get for years.
And then once we finally got it, it really started to help everything
start flowing in a lot of our businesses.
Um, and this really comes down to like, what is the, what's the
through line, you know, between what you're doing and where you're taking people.
Right.
The content that's really engaging people that they're, they're being drawn to
their commenting, liking, sharing that type of thing, how can you add elements
there where you're getting people to raise their hand, right.
And kind of like when people engage, they like, they view, they follow, like, it's
kind of like, I see them raising their hands and like, I'm this type of person.
Right.
And when you've defined your niche, you're getting people to
raise their hand all the time.
And so making sure your offer, right.
Where we're taking people when we're going to, you know, the
income side of this business is congruent, right.
It's like, it's very much in alignment with, or resonates with those people.
Um, but also this like kind of goes deeper.
If you're doing a freebie of some sort, right.
Like you're doing like a free ebook and then maybe there's an upsell of some
sort after that, or, you know, you're taking them from one thing to the other.
Making sure the through line between those is also very clear.
So, um, you know, again, we've learned this lesson many times in the marketing
journey, but like, even like this past bootcamp, we did, I don't know if any
of you guys went through the bootcamp, like, to be honest with you guys, it
didn't do great, like it was a really great experience that we provided for
people, um, really.
a lot of life on the training, but as far as like generating mastermind sales, right?
That's like where we were trying to take people.
It wasn't as congruent.
And so it didn't sell as much as normally an event like that would sell, right?
So we do big events like that to enroll students into the mastermind.
Of course, when I give them value, change their life, give mindsets in them.
Sometimes people take those and run with them and awesome.
But we do expect a percentage to come into the mastermind.
And we did have mastermind people jump in, but definitely way lower than normal.
And so I started like, I'm just sharing this with you guys transparently because this is
part of launching offers, right?
Part of, you know, turning influence and income is like, you've got to test stuff.
And that was a new front end test for us.
Like we have the backend, which is really dialed the mastermind, all that stuff.
It's there, but could we create another front end to bring people in, you know, that that's
slightly different?
I don't know.
So I had the bootcamp thing.
And and then when I get the numbers in, this is what I did, where I started digging into
the numbers.
Cause it's like, okay, obviously we definitely missed something.
It's just not our first rodeo.
We've done many launches like this.
We know typically this percentage of people will jump into the mastermind off an event
like that.
And it was like way lower than that.
So I go back to the data and I'm just telling you guys this, because this is what you want
to do too.
And you launch something or you do a call to action.
Like, you know, it's not, it's not helpful to just to guess, right.
It's helpful to look at the data and go, what am I, what, what do I know?
Right.
And so we started digging into the data of the bootcamp and, and who jumped in the mastermind
and we started to see like, oh, most people that jumped in the mastermind were not brand
new bootcampers.
They were people that have been through multiple things with us.
Right.
And then they did the bootcamp and that was the thing that kind of tipped them over into
the mastermind.
And it was like so drastic.
That was like, oh, okay.
What happened here is we missed this piece right here.
Congruency.
Um, the, the training we did, right.
The thing we offered for a low price, high value, it wasn't as congruent with the thing
we do in the mastermind.
At least we didn't have that through line as strong.
So it didn't create as much of a need or a belief or a, uh, we call it something as we
call it a gap.
Right.
We didn't create enough of a gap to say the mastermind feels that gap when we did our
previous challenge.
And I know some of you have come through a challenge, we teach a lot of Amazon and helium
10 and all that stuff.
It creates a lot of a gap where it's like, wow, it'd be really helpful for the mastermind
to help me with all those things.
But the bootcamp, we almost gave them too much and there wasn't as much of a gap.
So serve people at a really high level, but didn't have congruency.
It was kind of my hunch, but when I dug into the data, I was like, okay, that's it.
So I'm just telling you guys this because sometimes you put something out there, you
put a lot of effort into something, you, you do an offer to your, your, you know, your
list, your Instagram, whatever like that.
And it doesn't hit.
Um, it doesn't mean just throw it in the trash, right?
I think the bootcamp product, right?
Just think about like we create a product last week or two weeks ago.
That product is really solid.
It could be sold in a different way.
Potentially we could sell it as a mini course.
Potentially there's even a different backend to the bootcamp that we could sell.
And so we're actually going to test that next week to that bootcamp audience, people that
went through the bootcamp.
We're going to say, Hey, maybe the mastermind wasn't for you, but what about this?
Right.
Maybe there's something else, um, that is based on the data that they gave us because
on the last day of the bootcamp, I asked them, I was like, Hey, are you all in, are you,
are you all out?
Are you on the fence?
What's the reason?
Like, I was just, you know, the nicest way I could say, why didn't you buy this?
Right.
And so I put a survey out there and the biggest reasons are financial, financial, you know,
um, you know, there's, there's other reasons in there, but that was definitely the price
60% were people that said financial.
So we're going to have something for them next week that we're creating this week.
And we're like, Hey, we have an in-between offer and we're going to see if that works.
And if that works, we're going to plug it into the bootcamp, right?
As like, okay, now we know there's more congruency here between what they learned and what the
offer is.
Right.
And then in that offer, the thing we're going to sell from the bootcamp will be more congruent
to mastermind.
So eventually we'll bring them into mastermind.
So that's like, I'm just giving you the behind the scenes, you guys are in the mastermind.
So you get to see kind of behind the curtain, but this is like, ah, duh, Steven, like we
learned we, I know this lesson, you know, but I, we kind of messed it up with the bootcamp.
So just ask yourself as you guys are making offers and, you know, kind of testing things
on your, on your channel, um, why did they raise their hand in the first place?
Like, and that was the other thing, the bootcamp was like, I think I told you guys this, we,
we chose the bootcamp name based off of data as well.
So we ran 10 different names in ads, like low budget.
We spent a hundred bucks, you know, and ran just like little, you know, just a photo,
like just a purple background with like white text on it that said like the different names
of the challenge.
Right.
We've been doing challenges since 2019.
So we're like, let's just switch it up.
You know, let's just see if we can, we can come up with something different.
So like.
We had 10 different names and we ran all of them.
And the remote business bootcamp was the one that had the most engagement
clicks and actually had a couple of sales.
So we were like, okay, let's lean into that.
Right.
So they raised their hand with the bootcamp, but the problem was because
that was like two weeks before the bootcamp, we didn't have a ton
of ads for the bootcamp, right?
So we didn't have a ton of like really specific ads that said
what they were going to learn.
So our, um, our gal who runs our ad just used a lot of our existing ads.
And so there was again, incongruency, right.
Where people see one thing, they get another thing.
And then like, it's just like, it was messy, you know?
And so again, like, you got to ask yourself, am I creating
congruency between what I'm putting out on the feed and where I'm taking people?
So if you guys know what that monetization pathway is, just making
sure your content is congruent with that.
Not all, it doesn't have to be all the time you get PVC, PVC, but like
in your captions, you can start to lean towards that thing, right.
Start to hint at that thing.
Start to, you know, maybe affiliate is your pathway.
You're going to just have affiliate stuff all throughout your stuff.
So it just becomes like, wow, this is a thing.
This is like part of the DNA of this account.
Right.
Uh, the other thing that I would make sure is just that everything matches.
Um, people, especially online are very skittish.
I kind of like, like, you know, I heard someone train on this once
and he said, like, it's like, like it's a skittish cat, you know, just
like, you know, like a cat, you ever see those cucumber cat videos?
They put a cucumber behind the cat and like, it just, just, if you want to
have a fun time, go on YouTube, search cucumber cat, a cat, they're
just terrified of cucumbers.
Um, and so they put cucumbers behind the cat and the cat just like bounces
off the walls when they discover the cucumber, I think they think
it's a snake or something, but that's how people are online.
People have, they're hesitant to put in their email to like, even raise
their hand and comment on something.
They like, I don't know.
I'm not sure.
So of course, like we're building trust with the influence with the media
channels, but one way you can break that trust, or you can cause the
skittish cat to bounce off the wall is if something doesn't match up.
So if they like, you're saying one thing on, on your media channel and
you're like, Hey, click here to go to my thing, and then they go to the
thing and it's like completely different.
Or it's like even just slightly different.
Right.
It causes that skittishness to go like, Ooh, I don't know about this.
And they're out of there.
Right.
And you can see this, like, um, when you look at the, when you look at
the, the data, sometimes you're like, Oh wow, this may be able to click this
thing, but everyone bounced, we call that bounce rate, right?
So bounce rate is the amount of people that come to your page
and just immediately leave.
Right.
And so if it's not congruent, like your ad or your call to action says one
thing, but then they get to it and it's slightly different, like it's, it
doesn't, it's like, am I on the right page?
And they like, they're out of there, you know?
So does everything match up?
And then lastly, if you are doing any upsells or any like kind of through
lines through the products, like maybe you have a freebie, but at the end of
the freebie, there's something they could buy an affiliate product, a digital
product, something like that.
Right.
Just making sure it is congruent and complimentary.
It's not just like totally random.
You know, we do see that sometimes work, but you're just
like kind of taking a chance.
So if you have an Amazon product, let's say, and you're like media channels
completely about something else to be like, Hey, and also would you
be interested in this random thing?
It just like, doesn't make sense.
So you gotta have some sort of congruence.
If you were going to try to sell your Amazon product off the media channel,
have some sort of congruency where it really makes sense.
I know.
Um, I'm totally blanking on her name, but she's in her inner circle
and has the rock climbing holds.
I forget her name.
Um, I met her in Mexico and her husband, she's so awesome.
Um, and Kendra that's right.
Yeah.
Kendra.
Um, so Kendra is creating, like when we talked to her on here, you know, she's
creating, I think a guide for, you know, um, you know, like basically your kids
and like reducing, um, like having boys, right.
And they bounce off the walls.
How do you create an environment where they can like get all that energy out?
And so for that, like guide, um, based on her, she has kind of like history
with, I think I have her as child psychology or something like that.
Right.
Um, so she's got this history of that and she also has like a history
of rock climbing, things like that.
She's putting all this into a guide and then the guide it's so congruent
for it to link to the products.
Cause her products are like rock climbing holds for kids and these
like, you know, balanced beam things.
Right.
So it's, it's a very congruent guide.
If she did something on like, you know, how to have better
date nights with your spouse.
It wouldn't like be as congruent to her products.
You know what I mean?
So just think of that.
Think of where am I taking people?
Right.
Where do I want to take people?
Do I have an ebook?
Do I have a, uh, uh, affiliate pathway?
Maybe it's my Amazon product.
What's the backend.
And then kind of like look from the backend back, you know, and say like,
how can I start to warm this thing up, you know, and start to get people
raising their hand, who would be congruent with this thing, and then
how do I create a through line where everything matches up, um, I'm kind
of holding their hand through it all the way through to the end, you know,
where you're delivering that thing.
And, and it's incredible value.
So, um, yeah.
And I think that would be the last point I would put on here is, and
this is not about congruency, but it does help with, you know, long-term sales.
It's just adding tons of value, you know, like if you can add more value than
people expect, they're going to get with something, it's just, it's that
surprise and delight, right.
Where that makes, um, it's almost like you being congruent with future
offers, you don't even know you're going to make, right.
If you're going to make, you're trying different things, right.
Um, oftentimes when you get, when you kind of spoil somebody, you over
deliver, you add more value than, than what they feel like they paid for.
They're going to come back.
Right.
And they're going to, next time you have something, they'll be
like the first person in line.
So I think that's the key thing to know too, is like whatever that price point
you're landing on for the monetization pathway, just like make it, try to
make it 10 times worth that, you know, like, um, that's just a great, like
kind of mental thing to have in your head is like, okay, I'm selling a $9 thing.
How do I make this worth $90?
At least, you know?
Um, and sometimes it's stuff you advertise like, Hey, this has all these
things in it, sometimes it's stuff you see, you keep a couple of secrets.
So when they buy it, there's that surprise and delight.
Oh my gosh, there's something else in here.
I didn't even know that was in there, you know?
And it kind of is that wow moment.
So creating those wow experiences over delivering, adding value, having
congruency, this is all stuff that's going to help you guys on the journey
of selling online.
So, okay.
With that, um, let's hop into some Q and A.
Um, you guys have questions, you got things you want to review.
Um, I know the last call, I did a lot of influence stuff.
I'm happy to do that, but I really want to, if anyone's trying to call
the action, things like that, I think that's where I can shine the brightest.
Duke is really, you know, the expert on the, the influence side of things.
Um, I can of course speak to it, but, uh, if you have questions around the
income side of things, we'd love to lean into those.
Okay.
So, um, let's see here.
Michaela, you had your hand up, uh, right out the gate.
Um, what are you cooking up?
What can, how can we help you out, um, this week?
Um, okay.
So I had my, I had the, um, simply Caroline's and I was doing, um,
man, simply it's simply Caroline company is actually, um, it's you and your
daughter, right?
Yes.
So I have, um, our first product is actually, it was inspected yesterday,
so it should be on the way soon.
Um, but I'm pushing as far as the social media, I'm trying to do more.
So like raising entrepreneurs and like raising kids to not think they need to
go to college and work for somebody else.
So I kind of want it to, I've gotten to a point where, I mean, I'm getting
pretty good traction on my page.
Um, I mean, I have like a few that have gotten like over a hundred thousand
views, 200 and some thousand views.
I went, I just started posting on it two weeks ago and I started with like 30
followers and now I have almost 400, I think.
Um, so I want to start, I want to do my first like CTA and I'm trying to figure
out how to do that because I don't actually have the product yet.
So, you know, I've kind of been sharing it.
You said it was like a buttercrock or something, right?
Yeah.
It's a buttercrop.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, you could do something.
You could.
Okay.
What I would probably do if you know that you already ordered it.
It's like, you know, it's in the, it's in shipping kind of thing.
Yeah.
It should, it went through, it passed inspection last night.
So hopefully we should be in the process.
I would honestly, like, I would probably just start sharing the journey of it,
you know, um, of like, I had kind of done that for, I was doing, I had started
doing that back in the spring and then I had all these delays, so I actually
placed the order, my bulk order in February and then there was, I don't
know, catastrophic rain and then the rain messed with the drying process.
So then they were all wrong.
So they had to remake a thousand.
So lots of different things that had so slowed it down.
So I kind of like, I guess I didn't keep posting about it because, you
know, you know, people were kind of asking like, are you even still
doing that because you quit posting?
But the buildup was starting to not be a buildup.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you have like, those are, you know, you said you had 30,
I think followers, right?
So now you have, you know, 300 more people, right.
Who have no idea you're about to launch a product.
So I definitely would start talking about, even if you have old content
from back then you can repurpose, um, physical products, you know, because
it's not like it's that, it's not like it's.
that closely aligned to this page,
but it does, like the people who buy that product are moms.
So we do know it aligns with that avatar,
but it's like, it doesn't make sense for this page,
but I think what makes sense is you sharing the journey,
right, of like, hey-
Yeah, exactly.
So I kind of like, I was thinking,
in my mind, I was thinking about,
I would do like the Rainmaker affiliates,
so I could kind of say like,
hey, this is what me and my daughter did,
this is how you can do it.
That kind of thing.
That's, I guess, kind of where I'm leading.
Two-fold, you know, you could be,
you could start talking about it.
Do you have a sample in hand, like at your house?
Yeah, and I actually have.
So our pictures, our lifestyle pictures
that are going on Amazon are of me and my daughter
with the buttercrop,
and I had a friend that was with us when we did them,
and so I have like a video.
Actually, I saw that, I think Kathy did that.
She had like a video of when she did her lifestyle photos,
and I liked it.
So I did the, we did the same.
So I have that footage that I haven't used,
that I've just kind of been,
so that's, I'm planning on using that footage
to make a CTA,
but I just didn't know what my CTA was gonna be.
Yeah, I think for now,
because like the product's not like,
you know, it's not here yet, right?
So for now, I would honestly
just start talking about the journey.
So you still use PVC,
but it'd be like, you know,
three lessons I've learned, you know,
launching a product, you know,
launching our first product,
or like on the journey to launch our first product.
I'd almost be like, kind of just share the journey.
Like, you know, my,
have you ever seen those?
Like my journey to blank, you know,
like my journey to 50 pound weight loss,
or my journey to a million dollars,
or my journey to my first $10,000 online.
Like you might just like have a series
like that you kind of come out with,
and like you start sneaking it in.
It could even just be, you know,
I mean, not everyone wants to be on camera,
but you could just do little live streams, you know,
like lessons I learned on my journey to my first 10,
or follow me on my journey
to my first $10,000 online, right?
And you can just be talking about what you learned
and manufacturing and getting a sample.
You can just start talking about all that stuff.
And naturally people are going to go,
oh, I want, how'd you learn this?
Like, I want to know more.
And that's where you can bring the affiliate link in.
But the only thing you're doing is you're kind of,
people are starting to cheer for you, right?
And they're like, yeah, like I'm into this.
Like, I want to follow this journey.
And then when it comes, the product comes out,
you can kind of start talking to them that way.
Hey, it's coming out in two weeks.
If you want to be part of the launch, you know,
you need one of these.
I'd love to get you on my launch team.
And you just start to bring them in, you know?
So this may be more you to the camera,
but I think it's your profile photos,
you're behind the brand.
I think that makes a lot of sense.
And then naturally, as you talk about launching a product,
I think that's where the brand makers will come up in there,
you know, but you kind of do it more subtly
where it's just like, people will just ask you.
Yeah, well, cause like my bio and everything right now
is more towards the actual like sales
or the entrepreneurial type of it
rather than the actual product.
Yeah, no, I think that's totally fine.
So just use the product,
like you're basically going to use the product
and like being a mom, being an entrepreneur,
like the process, it's not about the product.
People will naturally buy the product because they like you.
Like they'll fall in love with you and your story
and they'll buy the product because,
oh, that's cool, I never heard of that.
But it's not going to be like, buy my product, buy my product.
It's going to be like, let me help you.
Like, if you have dreams in your heart,
you want to launch a product.
You want to, you know, do a business with your family.
Like that type of thing.
I think that will really,
that'll take it to the next level.
But yeah, it will require some of you in there.
If you don't want to be in it,
then you could use PVC content
and then do it in the caption,
you know, kind of like start telling the story
in the caption.
But I think it may be pretty powerful for just like,
do like two to three minute live stream
or video post of just you talking right to the camera
and just have like one topic per,
like don't talk about a million things,
just like just talk about one thing.
And you know, you ever see,
I'm thinking it's either like my journey to blank
is kind of the hook.
My journey to my first $10,000 online,
or it could be like,
you ever see those videos where someone's like
going to get some sort of procedure done?
Like they're like 60 days until I get my eye surgery.
And it's like 50 days until I get my eye surgery.
And they just like,
they're like, they keep doing that all the way up to it.
And then they kind of like do,
so you could do that.
Like you could also do like 90 days
till we launch our first product
and then just kind of like count down.
I know you don't know exact dates,
but you could also do something like that.
So it's either journey to blank
and it's some sort of like maybe revenue goal
or launching my first product online,
or it's like, you know, a countdown.
And then basically maybe once a week or twice a week,
you have some sort of update that's just like.
you know, day 52 on my journey to blank, right?
Like I see accounts like this all the time.
They do really well on Instagram.
I see a lot of like kids doing it, honestly,
like my day five on my journey to, you know, a million
dollars or like day five of doing a hundred, you know,
doing a pushup every day or every fall or something.
They do these like weird, like challenge things,
but people love to follow them, follow the journey,
you know, so I could see that working really well.
Okay. I'm sure.
I don't know if I can't be the only other person
that had this issue, but I didn't, the really free
and the accelerator, he was talking about the workbook
and then I never got a workbook.
And then they said that they sent,
they put it in the chat again,
but I never saw it in the chat.
I see, they emailed it to me.
Like I didn't, I see it in the replay.
I'm just getting all their emails.
Yeah.
You can see the chat in the replays.
I think I saw it, but I haven't watched it yet.
So I wasn't sure, but I kept watching for it in the chat
and he said he was, he had posted it
and I didn't see it for some reason.
Yeah. I have it.
Let me see. I have it here.
I'll put it in the Zoom chat.
I don't know if that'll work.
I don't know if you're on your, you have it on your phone,
but in the Jamie is on their team sent out,
like here's the replay and here's the registration link
for the next masterclass.
It's attached at the bottom of that one.
So yeah, if anyone else is looking for it,
take a look for that one.
His email is like trulyfreemarket.com.
So if you're on your email and search trulyfreemarket.com,
it should pop up.
Yeah.
Okay. All right. Perfect.
Thank you so much.
Yeah. Okay.
Amel, let's hop over to you.
My question is actually about Truly Free.
So I am Canadian and I've been trying to get
into Truly Free and it was a struggle.
And then I messaged Susan back and forth.
And then I said to Susan,
is it because I don't have an American address?
Do I have to have an American address?
And then she wrote me back and said, oh yes, you do.
So then I got a virtual mailbox from-
Okay, cool.
As per Megan, yeah.
And then, so I got that, that was great.
And then I was like retrying to sign up
and it still didn't work.
And then I went back to Susan, like it's still not working.
And I go, is it because I have a Canadian cell phone number?
And she's like, oh yeah, it's Canadian.
And I just found it so funny that I was challenging.
She was like, oh yeah,
it's because you have a Canadian cell phone number.
You need an American.
So how do I get, I'm in Canada
and I'm sure there's a way around it,
just like a virtual mailbox.
But how do I get an American phone number?
I wonder if Google, have you tried Google Voice?
Have you thought about that one?
Or that's the one I go to usually
because it's free, Google Voice.
But I would try it because it's free
and it won't take you long to set up.
And basically if someone calls it,
it'll go to your Gmail, you know?
So just search.
That's not sketchy.
Like, cause for example, what I mean by that is that,
like they said, don't do a P.O. box.
Cause then you're still gonna get a P.O. box.
And like, don't do a P.O. box, that won't work.
So I just want, I don't want Google Voice
to be another issue, I guess, that I find.
Yeah, I think I would try it and see if it accepts it.
But typically the Google Voice numbers
look just like normal numbers.
Like you can even, I think you can choose.
It's been a while since I set one up,
but I think you can choose the area code and everything.
So you could be like, choose the area code
in the same area as your virtual mailbox
and it'll look like you have a phone number and an address.
That should work.
I think that'll do it.
If that doesn't do it, then you may have to,
what's the other app we used to use?
Oh man, I'm trying to think.
There was an app we used to have
in our international students use.
Cause there was a thing we needed a phone number for.
I'm trying to remember what it was.
Try Google Voice first and then post on the app
if it doesn't work.
And then I'll look up that app.
Basically it's like Google Voice is free,
but this app is like paid.
It's like $5 a month or something.
And they would give you a US number base.
It's kind of like a, it would be on your phone.
It would actually go to your phone,
but it's just like a separate app, separate number.
I forget what it's called.
But Google Voice is, we use it.
Like we have a, I think we have a Google Voice number
as well for a couple of business things.
So, yeah.
Okay.
And do you know, I don't even know,
this might be too technical,
but do you know if I use, cause on my iPhone,
I think you could put in two SIMs, I think.
I have an iPhone 15, I like the newest one.
Okay. Yeah.
I think you can put two SIMs.
I'm not, I thought I remembered that.
I feel like the latest iPhone,
they got rid of the SIM card, didn't they?
So you can do like a virtual thing.
Yeah, I know.
Like, I think, I think they got rid of the SIM card,
but they have like a digital SIM card or something.
But yeah, try Google Voice first.
I think that's going to be your easiest low, low tech,
pretty, I mean, you set it up in a couple minutes.
Try that first.
And if that doesn't work, then,
then this app would do it where it looks like, you know,
it looks like a real thing.
And so that sign up fee that we're paying,
that's good for how many months?
before we start getting charged monthly?
I believe-
It was three months?
Yeah, I believe it's three months.
And then after that, it's kind of like,
hey, if you want to stay on the platform,
it's kind of like Amazon,
they have the recurring fee to be on the platform.
And so, Kassa kind of made a comment,
like, I don't have a physical product.
So, do you think I should get on there?
I'm going through all these hoops to become American.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I think you probably will at some point
have a physical product in 90 days or three months.
I don't know.
I also know that like their affiliate program
is really strong,
but I don't know if you have to have a seller account
to have the affiliate program.
They haven't gotten into that as much on the training yet,
but I know they will,
because the last two sessions,
I think on that affiliate side of things.
So, that's where I think a lot of people
are going to use Truly Free as well as the affiliate side,
not just the physical side,
but the affiliate side.
So, do you think I should hang out?
Because I was like, I was about to part ways.
I'm like, is this even worth it for me?
I'm not American.
I don't have all these things.
I don't even have a product.
Like, should I just part ways?
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like free included
with this program.
So, I would stick it out,
but then set a calendar reminder for like three months.
And it's like, if it doesn't make sense,
don't keep paying it, right?
Like, you don't want to wake up nine months from now
and be like, oh, I forgot about that subscription,
and I'm still paying it.
So, yeah, I would definitely set up.
Yeah.
I'm happy you said they're separate.
You could be an affiliate and not be a seller.
Oh, okay, yeah.
So, I don't know, when I signed up,
you had to be a seller to have the affiliate thing,
but that's cool.
If they're separate,
then you probably don't need the seller thing,
unless you have a physical product in the works
that is going to be there sooner rather than later.
But if-
Yeah, Steven, I know they-
I believe you said...
What was that, Tiffany?
Tiffany said that they would put a pause on the 90 day.
I think it's like a free 90 day as a seller.
And they would pause that for you
if you are like working on a product,
but it's not active yet.
So, I think you can do the affiliate thing
and then pick up with the seller and start that 90 days.
I do remember him saying something like that.
Cause I was like, yeah,
we have people that don't have products yet.
And he was like, yeah, basically we can,
we can basically pause it until you're ready kind of thing.
So, that's cool.
Then at least you're in the system
and it's easy when you do a product just to reactivate it.
Cool.
Jennifer said, confirmed it too.
Cool.
Okay, awesome.
Okay, Hafsa, let's hop over to you here.
Are you available now?
Sorry, my kids keep coming over asking me for stuff.
That's all right.
I wanted to...
I have a couple of questions.
I'm not sure which one to ask first.
They're mainly a Hookstory offer.
I just want you to check it out.
But my many chat is...
I don't know what I did wrong.
I know that I set it up
and I logged in from my personal account
and then I tried to comment on my channel
just to see if it would come through.
And I didn't get any of the stuff
many chat was supposed to do.
I didn't get the reply saying,
oh, sent in your DMs.
And then I didn't see anything in the DM either.
So, I don't know if I should share a screen
and then have you look at...
Maybe if you're logged into many chat,
we could just take a quick look at it.
Yeah, you can try sharing your screen
and then I'll just take a look real quick.
I'm guessing just that one setting is off or something.
There has been days that many chat
like kind of just glitches out,
but it's been pretty consistent lately.
So, it might just be a little setting in there.
So, it's either...
Sorry, you're sharing your screen.
I wasn't looking.
Okay, yeah.
So, yeah, go ahead and click on it
and we'll get in there and kind of dig in.
So, click on edit this automation.
Assume thing over.
Okay.
I'll just kind of go through it real quick.
So, on this left side, that's the trigger, right?
So, when a user comments on your post, that one's disabled,
but click on that one, click on that one there.
Okay, yeah.
So, I think what's happening is,
what I like to do is I like to basically
scroll up, sorry, to the top,
specific grosser reel, scroll down.
Yeah.
Let's set up a new trigger
and then we'll get rid of this one.
So, what I like to do is like basically...
So, what's I think happening
is you have it set to only work on one reel, basically.
Yeah.
Were you saying that you tried it on that reel
and it wasn't working?
Yeah.
That's the only one that Hookstory often
offer relevant to this keyword.
Okay, got it.
Yeah.
Well, what I would do,
and this is kind of for everybody.
So, I like to just set it to all reels
because like you're not saying on other reels,
hey, comment the word Sultan, you know, to get the thing.
So, but then, you know, this thing's always set up.
So if someone finds the reel later, or you do another reel and you want to try
this, because a lot of times these things are going to try more and
more like over and over.
Right.
Um, so I would, I would probably just change it to all posts and, um, uh, that
one, so if you just go new trigger, yeah.
New trigger.
We'll just set up a new one and just do, um, user comments on your poster reel.
Yep.
And then you're basically at the bottom, just hit all posts or reels.
Yeah.
There you go.
You need this one and then hit continue.
Oh, zoom might be covering it.
Yep.
And then you'll just say, include the keyword.
I think it was salt Sultan Sultan.
And then, um, yep.
Like continue.
And then kind of same thing.
You can put in some of those default replies.
Like you have to type it all out every time.
Um, yeah, you kind of do.
Unless you're like duplicating in a different one, but, um, all right.
Done.
Okay, cool.
You can come back and add more later.
And then, um,
it doesn't let me highlight, say, Oh, I have to do three of them.
Yeah.
I wonder if it wants you to do three.
Okay.
I guess so.
I think if you have too little, it'll, um, Instagram will flag you.
Sometimes if you get a lot of comments and you're just saying the same thing
on over and over, they're like, Oh, this is spam, you know, that should work.
Okay.
Save.
Okay.
Now scroll down to the very bottom of that section.
I just want to think, I think we got all of them.
Just let's double check.
Okay.
You did.
So now basically, um, the one that we just added was number nine.
It's the bottom one.
Oh, Oh, you see in the bottom left-hand corner, there's a little
toggle that goes on and off.
Yeah.
Turn that on.
Oh, man.
I think this is when people come to specific where you're posting.
I wonder why it's doing this.
Hold on.
Click out of it.
I think it's because you have so many, um, try to delete.
Yeah.
Try to delete the other ones.
See those ones.
If you click on those, click it and then, um, click, I saw it.
Like if you click, um, it's hard to like describe where I'm trying to go upper
left-hand corner, you see where it says post a real comments, number nine to the
left of that, there's like a little arrow that kind of, um, so, oh yeah.
It doesn't say down there.
I've been the upper left-hand corner.
It says it post or real.
Yeah.
That arrow.
Yeah.
Get out of there.
Um, just, yeah, just leave it for now.
And then we're going to, we're going to come back into these.
Yeah.
See those little three dots.
Yeah.
Just delete them.
You can basically delete them.
So I'm deleting eight and this is the one that we're working on.
I don't know where the other was.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Oh, Cappy and Laney are saying, okay.
So I didn't know that that must be a new mini chat thing.
So you're saying if you want to do the all post thing, it has to, you have to pay.
It's the pro membership.
Ah, dang.
Well, so if you want to pay, it's not crazy expenses, $10 a month,
but that'll require, that'll allow you to do that.
And I like it.
If you're going to do a call to action more than once, it's just nice to not
have to go into many chat every time.
You know, like we have ones that we set up like a year ago that
we're like, you just know, if we say the word start, you're
going to get this automation.
So it's nice to have, but it sounds like that is that's required.
Um,
so nobody's any, like for any of the call to actions that I've put that
have like affiliates, nobody's clicked or commented at all yet.
So I'm like, am I going to, um, you know, pay for it and pay $10 a month
if nobody's clicked anything or just try and see what happens?
Yeah.
I mean, if you want to save money in the meantime, you could do
the individual post thing and then you just have to update it for every
post you're doing, or there is, I think, I don't know, is it, is it
paid to do the next post Cappy Laney?
Do you guys know there's two settings?
There's basically like do it on specific posts, right?
Um, uh, there's do it on all posts and then there's do it on my next post.
So you could do one of those two, I think the next post or the specific post and
that way you don't have to pay the pro thing.
Um, and then I think what might've been happening was one of them was disabled.
One was enabled.
And I, I don't know, I feel like maybe it was because it was disabled
that it wasn't working potentially.
Um, but everything else looks like it's set up properly here.
Like you have the reply in there, you have the keyword in there.
Um, so it should work.
So for when I just come back and enable it now, I do this, this one's
going to want you to pay again.
Remember?
Cause that's the, for all posts one, but you could, you could switch it to the,
see that the top there's like the specific.
posts or the next post, you could switch it to that.
Where does it say it?
So that would be in the, under number one,
click on all posts or reels.
I think you can do it here.
Yeah.
It's not letting me click.
You can learn.
Oh, sorry, you gotta click edit, my bad.
Okay, so now I-
Yeah, so you basically would select a specific post
or you'd say, hey, my next reel, you know?
So it is kind of annoying to have to do it
for each post, because then you gotta go post it.
Then you gotta come in many chat
and like make sure it's dialed in, you know?
So it's extra steps.
Cappy said she didn't pay for it until she needed to,
like one of her posts was going viral.
And it's like, oh my gosh,
like this is a lot of comments, right?
You gotta, so then it's worth it, right?
But you might just do this for now.
If you want to test this one,
you could set it to an old post, right?
Make sure it's enabled.
I think that's the key thing is at the bottom,
you just have to make sure you enable that step,
which is, I guess you gotta save it, save it.
And then in the bottom left-hand corner,
there's that little enable button.
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's enabled.
And then you can always click preview
in the top right-hand corner.
You see that little preview button?
That'll also help you test it
and kind of see like what it's gonna look like.
Okay, all right, makes sense.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I know you said you had other questions.
Let's get through a couple more here.
If we have time, we'll come back to them.
Cool, okay, Jennifer Grant, Jennifer Grant.
Hey.
I just put my link in the chat for my Instagram
and I'm a little frustrated
because it was going really well.
And then you had me change to the template
and it has like tanked big time.
The first week wasn't too bad,
but the last two weeks have been really like-
Let me see here.
One of the worst weeks that I've had
since I started with the 30-day downpour.
Okay, I've gotta get reals here.
So when did you switch to the template?
How recent was it?
This is the third week.
Okay, so here this is pre-template.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Because these ones almost are not even like wrapped content.
They're kind of just straight repo.
So it's usually doesn't work, but that was working.
That's funny.
It was totally working.
Like I had, you know, I have one,
I know it's not like millions,
but for me it's close to 5,000.
And all of mine were hitting at least, you know,
there were a couple outliers,
but you know, at least a thousand closer to like three.
And then I don't think I even,
I have one that's like,
there was a couple that are in the thousands,
but nothing is two.
So-
Definitely a drop off.
I think like the big thing is like, you know,
consistency does compound,
especially with Instagram, right?
So changing templates all the time isn't good
because like Instagram is trying to figure out
who's liking this, right?
And so you've been really consistent with this one.
I mean, it does look like it's still kind of hovering.
It's not like it's,
it's not like your shadow band or anything, right?
That would mean like you're getting like five views,
two views, one view, right?
It's definitely still getting views,
but there was for sure, like a little,
definitely a drop off.
I think it definitely has to do with,
Instagram's trying to figure out
like the person is going to follow this style content,
you know, as opposed to this style content.
The other thing you could do is you could,
like it'd still look fairly clean,
is you could alternate, right?
So I don't, I don't love this style.
Cause I think like,
I think Instagram is going to crack down on it.
Cause like they even say like, don't repost content.
You know what I mean?
So I think like TikTok has kind of gone this direction.
If you post a TikTok repost video,
it's like, it's just pulled from someone's account,
straight on your account.
It'll just, it'll, it'll know.
It's a repost and it won't give you any views.
I could see Instagram going that way.
You know, I don't know, in the next nine months.
So I, but I think what you could do just to vary it up
is you could alternate.
You could do like kind of this black style, you know,
and then on the next post,
do like kind of a slightly different sound
and come back to black and come back.
And then your feed will kind of look like a grid.
Like it'll be alternating,
but that way it's kind of testing both ones
at the same time.
And then, and the, the in-between ones,
maybe it's just, you go for like the light style.
Like, so instead of black, maybe just go white.
But I think like the cropping is fine.
The text is fine.
It looks like, you know, yeah.
But if you want to, if you're thinking like,
oh yeah, I just want to try to switch it out.
I might just try that.
Just try.
Probably the lighter kind of white style, like this one, you know, um, but like
make it, you know, make, maybe try to make your thumbnails, because that could
be another thing is when you're, um, you guys know when you're posting a real,
right, um, before you post it, there's that little grid tab that kind of shows
like, here's what it's going to look like in the grid, right.
Um, that you could definitely crop it in like to the content.
So when people are looking at your, your grid, right.
Cause that's where it kind of gets a little messy, right.
It kind of looks like kind of cropped weird like this.
See that.
Okay.
Um, you could kind of crop it into the photo, or if you want to be a little
more advanced, you can upload a separate photo for like the thumbnail.
And sometimes that can be a thing that helps it kind of break out.
I guess I'm not, I'm not too super tech savvy.
So like even just getting the Canva template took, yeah.
A while to kind of get, um, uniform.
So, um,
we need to, I feel like we need to make a, like a thumbnail template.
I feel like, I don't know if we have one or not.
Um, but I bet Canva has one.
Let me see.
Instagram thumbnail thumbnail.
Spongebob, right.
Okay.
So let me see Canva templates.
I always look at their templates, see if they have anything.
So this is like the right, um, this is the right frame, right?
It's just like a vertical frame.
You don't want to, I mean, when you type in thumbnail, I'm not
gonna type in Instagram or Instagram story.
Like that'll work.
Like story is a vertical format, right?
So these are all vertical formats.
Um, so you might just pick one.
Now these look like super pretty, right?
Like of course, and there's too many words on them, but I would just pick one and
then we're going to just destroy it basically.
So I'm just going to grab like this one.
Okay.
And hit customize this template.
And I can even like share this with you in just a second.
Um, but basically what I would do is you'll have your, um, you have two tabs open.
I got my Instagram template.
I would call this one, like my thumbnails, right?
I type that up here.
So it makes it easy for me to find it later.
And then over here I would have my, um, you know, my PVC template, the one
that you've been, you've been using.
Right.
So, um, there we go.
So then once you have like content, right, let me just, uh, what is this?
Just grab something off my computer here.
One second.
Um, I'm trying to find like a, here's a photo.
Okay, cool.
So let's pretend this is a video, right?
Oops.
Oh man.
I actually feel like I have to do this with the video.
One second.
Oh, you know what?
I already have videos in here.
Yeah, we've done this before.
Uh, video, video, video, videos.
Okay.
So here's the video.
Okay.
So this is my PVC, right?
So what I would do is I have this, um, and then I have this.
So this is my PVC.
I'm gonna download my video.
I'm going to find a catchy frame from it, you know, like this.
And, um, I would honestly probably just like grab a screenshot of it.
Um, there's probably a way you can do that in Canva, but I don't know how.
Um, cause this is a video, so I can't really copy it, but I would
just grab a screenshot of it.
Or I would download it as a, um, you can actually download
these, even though they're videos.
You can download them.
I'm pretty sure as a photo.
So I can just like change this right here.
So I clicked on, um, share, download, change the file type to a JPEG, which
is a photo, and then you just make sure you're just doing that page, right?
The one that I'm on just page three, download.
Okay.
And then I would just come into this one.
This is your thumbnail.
Right.
And I would just upload it there.
So I just go upload it and just like this downloads.
Oh,
the reason I'm doing this is like, I want to just kind of like this, like
I want, I want him to take up the whole kind of like, you know, frame.
And then I might just put text over that.
That's a little more bold.
Cause like you have kind of like your current one as the text, kind of
like that at the top, but it's kind of small on your current, you know,
the way you're currently doing it.
If you did this, you could put some just like really bold text over it.
And
Honestly, this work, you kind of have to do once you, you know, you create, you
know, whatever it is, like your, your thumbnail style, you can even use some
of these texts, things down here.
So these like, they kind of look nice.
Um, but you might find one that kind of is catchy, you know?
Right.
So you kind of have some text on it.
Once you've done this once, then for future ones, all you gotta do is click
the duplicate and then all the stuff is still there.
All you gotta do is just basically, you know, swap out the photo for something
else.
Hey, here's, here's a different photo.
Cropped weird, but you get the idea and then you just would change the text.
So yeah, I feel like I'll just like, I'll go like this.
I'll get rid of all this stuff and just, I'll share this.
Cause this is at least the right size for you.
Um, this template, you can of course like just get rid of the background, hit
delete if you want, but I'll share this one because it's just the right size for
a thumbnail, but that could be something that helps you kind of like stand out a
little bit and just make it look a little bit, um, cleaner, you know, our, our
account is like that.
So when you click on our reels, they just look, they look a little more just put
together.
So we're usually grabbing a thumbnail from the content or just a photo of some
sort.
And then we have this kind of like little text we designed.
Right.
And so it's just a template.
We're just duplicating that for each one.
Right.
And then when you click on them, then you're kind of into that, that PVC
content, whether it's wrapped or not, you know, does that make sense?
I think so.
Okay.
We try it.
Um, yeah.
Let's see here.
See all.
Where is it?
Template link.
Okay.
So I'll just put that in the chat.
If you click on it, it'll just open up.
At least this will give you the right framing for a thumbnail.
Um, again, it's, it's not required to do, but sometimes like when you're trying to
like get Instagram's algorithm to kind of just reset, just trying a slightly
different style for a second, you know, can help.
Um, yeah.
You don't think that the change that already happened is going to mess with it
enough?
I don't know.
I guess I don't want to keep, I don't know.
I don't even, yeah.
You don't want to change like every day, you know, you don't change it.
You want to give things time.
You've given this one three weeks, you know, and it's kind of still hovering.
It could just be on the verge of breakthrough, you know, but that's what
I'm saying.
Don't change it completely.
I would, I would maybe alternate.
So I just keep using this template, keep doing things exactly how you're doing them.
But maybe every other post, you just switch it up slightly.
Maybe you add a thumbnail to that one and that's it.
That's the only thing you do different, you know, or maybe you just use the white
version instead of the black version.
Again, sometimes we're just testing things to see like, is this going to work
better?
Cause I don't know if something was working with these that kind of started
dropping off as soon as you went to this.
I don't know why, you know?
Um, so that's what I'm like, let's change it.
And some, and you gave it time, you know, and it is starting to like, it's, it's
more views than you had the first week.
Well, I guess you had one pop off the first week, but it's kind of definitely
hovering in those hundreds.
So there's no, like, I wish there was like a formula, you know, sometimes it's
just experimentation and you just got to try something, you know, I think the key
kind of concept of why everyone here is just don't, don't switch it every day,
you know, cause then you're not giving Instagram enough time to find those
people.
But if you've tried something for a good two, three weeks and it's like still not
working, then try a slight pivot.
And I try not to do like too drastic of pits.
I'll kind of like ease into it.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
Like do half and half for a season.
I'm just a slightly different style.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Erica, Erica here.
Let me just see.
There we go.
Hey Steven.
I had a question about a first digital product offer that I've been thinking
about.
That's actually based on a question that Hafsa asked last week at the office.
So thank you Hafsa for giving me this idea.
She has a question about whether or not she could offer a template and like some
downloadable instructions on someone else's, I think it was a cupcake video.
And so my page is about doing crafts for busy moms including non crafty moms that
they can do with their kids.
So I was thinking of doing a template that that would help.
So like, say for example, there's there's a lot of like tree crafts right now.
My PVC is like posting really high viewed crafts that are easy that first draw a
tree and then you do the tree craft.
So could I offer a template that is like the tree template along with three other
crafts that you could do, but then also you could use it with the craft that, you
know, is being displayed.
I like that a lot.
Yeah.
I think that's great.
I mean, a lot of those craft videos are not trying to monetize something.
You know what I mean?
They're just like sharing crafts.
They're not like buy our thing, you know?
So it's not like you're using someone else's content to kind of steal sales from them and
bring them to you.
You're just like offering more value and you're like, here's not just a cool video, but if
you want the template on how to do it, just drop the word, whatever template or tree,
you know, and I'll send it to you.
So you're actually taking it to the next level by like, not just like, you know, a cool video
bringing that to them, but you're bringing them the resources to actually do it, you
know?
So I think that's totally fine.
Yeah.
I like that idea a lot.
Kind of, kind of selling the, or like offering basically the, the implementation, right?
You bring awareness with the PVC and the crafts, and then you kind of have the implementation
packs that help people do it.
So yeah, we, we had someone on the podcast a long time ago and she, she made a lot of,
she made a lot of income just selling printables, you know, to moms.
Like she had a blog.
She was kind of like one of the, the first mommy bloggers back in the day and built a
big blog up and then just would sell printables, you know, and really easy to create really
easy to deliver.
Right.
People just print them off at their house and it's a digital product, but it kind of
is like a physical product that they get to print.
Right.
So there could be an element of that where you're just making things easier for them,
you know, and like, Hey, instead of having to go buy all this stuff or, you know, figure
this out, I already made it for you.
Just comment this right now.
I'll get it to you.
Yeah.
I was hoping to think, find a way to add value, you know, to the, to the, I'm just taking
it all the time.
I'm wondering though, specifically then that was first, whether or not that would be an
okay strategy for me to write with like other, other crafts.
So that's really good to know.
And then I was also wondering my follower count is very, very low, like very low.
My growth has been low, but I'm itching to like, start trying some like digital offers
and products.
So I would offer this for free obviously, but I'm wondering, is it, is there any way,
is it going to be harmful for me?
Because my follower account is so low.
Like I do get like reach, you know, some of my videos aren't shown very much, but then
like a couple of, you know, every couple of days I get something that's like in the high
hundreds or something.
No, it's not going to hurt.
I think like, as long as you're not too hardcore selling or out like eight, I would try some
freebie things, you know, just to see if you're getting people to engage, you know,
and you know, affiliate affiliate play could be also really good where you like each craft
probably has a list of materials, you know, like if it's like, oh, you need the red paint
and you need the sponges, right.
Drop the word supplies down below and I'll send you all the links to get, like, if you
want to do this, craft your clothes with your kids, drop the word supplies.
I'll send you all the links to make it really easy.
So you can start with that and then it kind of feels like, oh, you're just helping them
do the craft.
But there's that affiliate play.
And then from there, you kind of go into the, Hey, I'll provide the template and the affiliate
link to any of the stuff.
So you can kind of create PDFs eventually, but maybe you start just like free.
Just let me give you the resources to do this.
And that kind of tests the audience to see if they're engaging with stuff, but it also
gets people used to it when they go follow the account.
They're like, oh, I know that like, not only can I get cool ideas here, but I also, she'll
usually have the link to all the supplies or the resources or whatever.
Okay.
Awesome.
Okay, great.
Thank you.
Cool.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah.
There's no like, we've heard that question a handful of times of like, how soon is too
soon to like do, you know, try to monetize.
And I think as long as like, you're just being authentic about it and not like every post
is like, buy my thing, buy my thing, because you can burn out your smaller audience.
Once the audience grows though, not everyone sees your posts.
I mean, you know, you have, you know, let's say 500 people, you only have a percentage
of them see every post.
Right.
So sometimes you can actually do it more when your audience is bigger.
Like I think you was saying that he does like 10 or something posts a day and like two or
three of them are like ads, you know, every day, you know, it's like, that's crazy, but
he has 2 million followers.
So, you know, 50,000 people might see each ad, but that same 50,000 don't see the other
ones, you know?
So as you grow, you can definitely do more.
Cool.
All right.
Let's see here.
We got Susan up next here.
Hi, how are you?
I'm good.
Doing all right.
Yeah, great.
So I started over, I think we talked about this a few weeks ago.
And so I started, and I just want to know what you think about, I've only posted one
thing.
So, and I noticed that I only had four views.
I think maybe that's how they start out.
I can't remember now.
Yeah.
Okay.
Typically you're under 20, you know, views like on the first week.
On the first week.
Okay.
So maybe if you could just suggest.
some CTAs or something moving forward.
Okay.
What's the account?
Positively Dance.
Oh, cool.
Positively Dance.
One word?
Okay, I got it.
Yes.
Do you see it?
It has-
Yep.
Let me go.
Former professional dancer instructor,
researches for budding dancers,
finding room and joy,
tools and tips to support your journey.
Nice.
And I was thinking there's no real problems.
I mean, sometimes there's not a problem,
you know, or a question or a hook.
And that's why I just said it like that
without one of your suggested hooks.
Oh, are you talking about like in the-
Oh no, I just meant like as the hook
watches Tyler Peck recreates.
Yeah, that part.
Oh yeah.
I think that's totally fine.
I did put that question.
No, I like that.
I think this is a great start.
I think like all things,
oh yeah, All Things Dance.
Yeah, I like that a lot.
All Things Dance is the name.
Cause that really tells you exactly what it's about.
Professional dancer, resources for budding dancers.
Yeah.
I think as far as like call to actions go,
right now you're just trying to build the audience, right?
They got to be consistent with posting.
Let Instagram figure out who your people are, you know?
And I think this is fine.
That's kind of like a,
that's a catchy statement, right?
For this audience to go, what is this, right?
You know, oh, I love the last part of this dance.
Or watches, you know, that move she does at 30 seconds,
right?
You can use these kinds of curiosity hooks.
And of course people that find it,
they're going to read All Things Dance.
They're going to see the clip.
And if this is a viral clip already, you know,
then it's going to, Instagram will find these people.
And as far as like getting them into engage,
I would try to keep it like,
I like stuff like this here and there.
What's your favorite dance movie, right?
But I would also like,
you could also like just ask questions
about the actual dance move, you know?
Or like the dance video that you're playing
or dance, whatever.
So you could just kind of relate it to that.
But yeah, I think it's a good start.
I think it's, I like that.
It's like something you're, you know,
more passionate about.
You're already finding on Instagram.
I know we talked about that.
And I think for now, just work on being consistent.
Are there six followers?
Like, did that come from that one?
Are these, these are from earlier.
These are the same from the last account.
No, no, no, they're new and they're fairly legitimate.
I did spend like a whole weekend blocking bots
and things like that.
And so I seem to not get,
I seem to not be getting bots anymore.
So they're real people.
Okay, nice.
Yeah.
Oh, and Hafsa said, how do you know he's a bot?
When they have zero posts and-
Like no profile photo.
Yeah.
Yeah, sometimes you get those.
Yeah.
And I was getting a lot of them.
So I was like, what's happening here?
So I kept blocked.
I blocked about three of them.
Oh, and my-
Is this the same account as the last one
you just deleted stuff or did you start a new account?
No, I started new.
The other one was organization,
but I think I can get many more followers through this
because I just know a lot of people,
but I'm going to wait to ask the influences,
influencers until I post a little bit more.
So it's not like, hey, I have one post.
Do you want to follow me?
Yeah.
And that'll bring in people too.
Oh, just to follow up,
when you were doing the profile and the grid,
I just do that when I'm doing the preview
in Instagram preview grid,
then I can move it around to a picture that I like,
then I don't have to do all that that you did.
Yeah, you can do it on Instagram.
You just like, you basically just grab a thumbnail
from the video, right?
And you zoom in.
I just moved it over down on the bottom.
I just moved my thumb along the video
till I found a pretty picture.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you can do that for the grid.
For the thumbnail,
you can choose something from the actual video.
But I think if you want to have, let's say a certain,
let's say that guy makes a certain face, right?
And you want to have your text over it too.
You have to do it basically outside of Instagram, I think.
Got it.
I don't know of a way to do it in there,
but if you guys are in a hurry,
don't do the thumbnail thing, just like do like that.
Like just find it right there within the app,
just make it as best you can get it done.
The thumbnail adds another level of complexity
where it's like, if you don't have the time to do it,
just do it for now, you know?
That's totally fine.
Got it.
Cool.
All right, Victoria.
Hello, hello.
Sorry.
Hey, we got you.
The thing.
Okay, so.
I have a big question.
Um, so I'm a hairstylist and.
Oh, you got muted.
I don't know what happened.
It might've gotten hit your hairstylist and then it got muted in real life, I guess.
But, um, I've been doing it for over 10 years and now I felt like it's
time to kind of go away from it.
And, um, but I have a lot of people that follow me.
It's like my personal account slash like hairstyling.
And, you know, like I did bridal hair.
And, um, so over time brides get married and they get kids.
And, um, so now they're, when I would ask on stories, like, what
are they interested in learning?
They're more interested in learning for hairstyles for themselves and,
um, like how to do it on themselves.
But my content is more about how I do hair for brides.
Right.
And I'm like, I was trying to attract brides, but, um, now I fully kind of
wanted to do stop with brides.
And, uh, I was thinking, is it possible to transfer this page into like, start
posting how to do your own hair and reposting, uh, proven content from
other people, how they do their own hair.
Um, is that like something okay to be doing or no?
I think so.
I mean, since you're experienced with it, you could, in this account, like
you're saying this account already has followers that's been following it
kind of more for the bridal hair thing.
I would say, um, I would say probably now there's a lot of
hairstylists that are following, but also a lot of moms that are following
because they transitioned from the bride stage into a mom stage now, you know?
Okay.
Yeah.
It's like you did photography for brides, but then they transitioned.
Right.
I think that's fine.
Cause it's, we always recommend if you're going to do something completely
different person, do a new account.
Right.
But since this audience is going to be fairly similar, some of them might not
be into it and they might unfollow and that's okay.
Um, but, uh, I think it's close enough that you can make the pivot and a lot
of people will just kind of go, Oh, cool.
Like this is the new angle of this account, you know?
Um, sometimes people don't even notice.
Like, they're just like, Oh, I must've followed this.
They don't remember following it.
If the name changes and everything, you know, um, if the name stays the same,
then it's kind of like, they'll just, they'll get used to it.
So I think for me, like I, I shifted my personal, I had a personal brand, right.
Um, the ad stage D is one that was very much like filmmaking and I was posting
videos and things like that, and then we started doing rainmakers.
So then I started, I was more of that type of content.
And so because I was such a different change, like I had all these like
wedding video industry, cinematographer, people following the account.
And then I like started doing this.
It's so different that like, it took, it's, I mean, I'm still losing
followers as I gain followers because they're just like, they'll pop up
in their feed and like, what is this?
Like, I didn't follow this, you know, but that, that what yours, what
you're saying is so aligned as it's congruent, kind of like I was
talking about at the beginning.
Um, you should totally be fine, um, to make that pivot.
How about, um, the crazy question about like five years ago, I did a
giveaway with a person from Russia.
And now when I look at my statistics, um, they, there were, there's more
from Russia people than America, but like it's been five years and I kind of see
like they would be coming, going, I had like 50,000 now it's like 18 and it's
steady for like about two years now.
Um, so I was like thinking, is it still worth it if they're in Russia?
Cause then we have the time difference.
So they don't even see my posts.
Probably if I post.
You should be okay.
One thing I'll see if I can share my screen and show you guys this.
One thing you can do is, um, as you guys start growing your followers, see
here, I'm going to share my screen.
Advanced iPhone air play.
Okay.
Give it just a second here.
One thing you guys can do is check your, um, your, what do you call these?
They call them like, there's a name for them.
Basically when you, on your profile, can you guys see my screen now?
Okay.
Click on your followers.
So, um, 3,600 followers on this account.
So click it.
And then basically, do you guys see this?
Uh, it should load right at the top.
Do you guys see that flagged for review button right there?
Click on that.
Click on that and it'll actually help you find people that are like inactive now.
And like, so if you've done giveaways like that, like this one only has seven,
but then you can click that remove all button right at the top.
You can just remove them all, which is really nice.
It actually increased.
to your, you know, increase your engagement by doing that.
And I was just looking on, like, I mean, let's see if I can get into this account.
I might, I know, let me look at this one.
So 700,000 followers flag for review 22,000.
Isn't that crazy?
So I'm not going to do it.
Cause like I, the team will be like, what, what just happened?
But, um, but it's actually a good thing to do here and there.
And so, um, I know on, I did a couple of giveaways on this
account in the early days.
So I had a lot and I actually just went and like cleared a bunch of them out.
Um, yeah, like 578 still.
But sometimes these are like bought accounts and those are accounts that
like people were on and now they're like totally inactive sometimes they're.
Yeah.
I don't know.
So how can it be like two 22,000?
Like, isn't that like, are you hiring the person from wherever
you recommended, right?
Or no.
Um, the 22,000 that was showing on the Rainmaker family.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
Cause I'm like, just like followers that like are probably
not worth having as followers.
They're kind of just hurting engagement.
So it's kind of like, if you've done those giveaways and in a bunch of
Russia accounts, there's probably a good amount that are going to be flagged
for review that you could just remove.
And then the other ones, you just got to build up the U S audience.
You know, um, I, I think I'm like more thinking about who, who did you
who did you hire to post your posts?
If you're getting that much, does it mean they might've
bought the, the followers or no?
Like I would have family.
Oh, no, no, no.
That I would say because we do, um, I mean, it's just a bigger
account, 700,000 followers.
So it's just like, you kind of see a, a percentage of your followers
are going to end up being just bots and stuff like that over time.
So it's just pretty natural.
Um, the bigger the account, the more you'll see of those.
It's not like you have to check your person who was doing your posts.
Cause that was like, just considering to hire somebody, you know?
Oh yeah.
I mean, if you saw a lot right at the beginning, yeah.
Like I definitely, it'd be a red flag, but, um, that was
kind of the number I expected, you know, like it was hundreds of
thousands, like 200,000, like, okay.
Some things definitely someone's buying and followers and you
know, that that's no good, but it kind of naturally happens as
you're growing on Instagram, especially with these theme pages.
You know, they just get, they get bought followers from time to time.
Yeah.
Got it.
Well, I guess like I'll try that and then see how it works.
Right.
With, oh, and then if I did the PPC, would I still want to do it?
Uh, a pose that looks like, um, the one that we edit in Canva with my logo,
uh, if it's like proven content or do I, do I post it differently?
I would do it.
Canva template and then like, come up.
Like, it sounds like you're going to be posting like viral
hairstyles and tips and things like that.
So just kind of use language around that, you know, and, um,
if I did post my own, yeah, you could sneak your own in there too.
Yeah.
You could, um, basically if you have a template, it's like, you
know, best hair tips or something like best hairstyles.
Um, you could basically sneak your own videos in there.
If you have your own, uh, styles or tutorials and it would just
be part of like, you know, this is the new thing this accounts about.
You're going to see other people's, you're going to see mine, but people
don't even really know the difference, you know?
So, um, yeah.
Okay.
So consistency with that.
Yeah.
I appreciate it.
Totally.
Thank you.
Okay.
We got half, so we got Taylor, we got Shola.
Okay.
So let me see what time it is here.
Um, I could probably do these last three here, Hafsa, Taylor,
Shola, and then we'll, we'll, we'll round it out for the night.
Um, so Hafsa, go ahead.
Okey-dokes.
All right.
Can I, uh, share my screen again?
It should work.
Yeah.
Try it and let me know.
Okay.
There it is.
Okay.
Now we're in many chat again.
Yeah.
Um, I haven't posted this yet, so I'm just showing, like would post my
captions as comments for myself just so that I knew what to do.
Oh, that's a good idea.
I like that.
Um, and I'm going to take these question marks off.
That's when I had to ask you about, that's why I put a question mark.
Um, so for this one, I wanted you to check out the folk story offer for it.
Okay.
So, um, starting the post divine, these cupcakes are the prettiest I've seen.
And then, and then basically on the right-hand side, let's turn it off.
So you can just, yeah.
Bacon and mountain of cupcakes that look this good.
You need a mixer that can keep up whether it's the Bosch or anything else.
And this reel is sending cupcakes.
Sorry, I pressed the wrong button.
So this one is, um, is this an affiliate one affiliate angle?
No, wait.
Yes.
It's not an, well, it's the Bosch mixer is what you're going to be promoting.
Yes.
Now the Bosch mixer.
When I, when you, cause I'm not in this world, is that like pretty recognizable?
Like if I said like Vitamix, like kind of people know that's a blender.
Is Bosch kind of a similar thing?
Uh, kind of, sort of, um, I think most people know the
KitchenAid mixer a lot more.
Yeah.
So I was, I kind of introduced it here.
Like this is the Bosch, like I, cause I don't know this, but it would
be like a step above the KitchenAid kind of like it's better kind of thing.
It's built differently.
So the KitchenAid has like the motor on top of the bowl and the
Bosch has the motor below the bowl.
Interesting.
Okay.
So you're like this, this video shows you that, um, you can watch
everyone next, but in the KitchenAid, you have that big fat machine
in the way that obstructs.
Yeah.
Okay.
Go down to it.
I'm just kind of thinking of angles here because one, one thing we can do
with affiliate products is we can, we can either tell them what it is, right.
Or we can create curiosity and get them to raise their
hand to see what it is.
Right.
So I'm thinking with this one, if it's a more common thing, I might use
curiosity to kind of like, you know, I might even use the KitchenAid, right?
Like baking a mountain of cupcakes.
So like this good, um, like I'm trying to think like,
um, you need a mixture that can keep up.
Like, I'm almost like thinking like it's like, and it's not a KitchenAid.
I don't know if that's, that's true or not.
I don't know this niche well enough.
Like, is this like something that you could only do with the
Bosch or is a KitchenAid you can also do with that?
Okay.
So then let's not do, we don't need to lie about it, but we could use some, we
could do some curiosity on it.
Like, um, uh, baking a mountain of cupcakes is like, it's good.
You need a mixture that can keep up.
Um, let me think here.
I'm trying to like create a curiosity on it without telling people Bosch.
Like sometimes we'll say like on our Instagram, we won't say Amazon because
Amazon in itself has objections to it.
Right.
Like people are like, oh, I've heard this before, whatever.
We'll say like just something else.
And then when we have a conversation with them, we'll bring
them into a deeper experience.
We can kind of like more tell them about maybe the things they're believing
about Amazon that aren't true.
Right.
And so Bosch could be something similar where people are like, oh
yeah, I've thought about Bosch.
Right.
So you might use curiosity here to go like, um, I've found baking
cupcakes that look this good.
You need one thing, amazing mixer, you know, and for years I used a KitchenAid
and, you know, got to love them.
A lot of people have them, but it wasn't until I switched to blink
that like everything changed, you know, like, and again, we don't want to make
this up, but like, if the Bosch is significantly better, you know, like
then, then you're going to kind of try to sell it cause you're, you are selling it.
Right.
You're trying to get people to say, I want this thing and then get the link.
So you might just use curiosity, right.
But don't tell them it's a Bosch and then say like, if you want to know
like the mixer that I found that I love, drop the word mixer below and
I'll send you more info about it.
Right.
So you don't even say Bosch, then they say mixer, and then you
send them the link via the mini chat.
Right.
Like, Hey, here's the reasons why, you know, I like this mixer over this one.
Um, cause I would say that most people probably following have the
KitchenAid, that's like probably the more common one, but, um, if this is
an upgrade, maybe you can find a way to like position it as an upgrade.
Okay.
Did you have a question on that?
Yeah.
About when I'm writing the story, I'm worried about using the word.
I like, I found this and I was using this for years and stuff
because I never use this stuff.
Like I'm not a cupcake person.
I just eat cupcakes.
I don't make them.
So, um, I, I thought you were like a cupcake expert that you
chose this niche, you know, so I keep asking you questions.
So that's why I got it.
Okay.
Yeah.
So yeah, don't say I, you could say like, you know, um, you could say,
you know, a lot of people are, I'm seeing a lot of people switch to this or that.
You might do some research, like Bosch first KitchenAid, and you can
kind of come up with an angle there, but don't tell them here.
It's like, it's Bosch.
Basically just be like, you know, a lot of people use KitchenAid, but
did you know that there's another mixer coming on the scene that, you
know, um, doesn't have this, this, and this, you know, so maybe that you're
hitting the pain points of the KitchenAid.
Um, and if you aren't like, I'd love, you know, comment the word mixer
below, I'll send you the details.
And then you link to the Bosch mixer basically from there.
So yeah, I would, that, that'd be the only thing I would change to
this is just using curiosity in case there is like, cause this
feels like very much like an ad.
It's like, you know, with the Bosch mixer, you're going to
get this, this, and this.
Right.
So I, I would almost like bring that out of it and just use curiosity,
get people to engage with it.
Okay.
I will do that.
Thank you so much.
Cool.
See, I thought you were a cupcake person this whole time, but your
Amazon products, a cupcake thing.
What is the Amazon product?
Is it?
They're fancy cupcake liners.
They're made out of paper.
They're fancy ones.
So I'm like, okay.
You're slowly becoming a cupcake expert for this Instagram.
Oh, that's awesome.
Okay, cool.
Love it.
Um, okay.
Let's see here.
I like that Catherine in the chat.
I've used kitchen aid for years, but did you know that there's a
mixer that works in the bottom up?
Yeah, that's a cool angle.
You know, like, especially for that other post too.
It sounds like it's way less, um, way less messy, you know,
that thing gone up and down.
Okay.
Um, Taylor, let's go over to you here.
Taylor and family.
What's up?
Hi.
The girls have been waiting to say hi.
Um, okay.
I just dropped the link to my page.
Um, so it's, it's kind of a long handle, but it's muddy kids, Bible study.
And I was kind of curious what your thoughts are on the digital
offer I'm trying to do.
Um, the angle I'm trying to take is like nature loving families, like
your wild child that I don't know, wouldn't want like a traditional Bible study.
Yeah.
So I have like, like a 10 day wild child devotional and like muddy pedicures,
washing feet, like Jesus, like a couple of things that I've made so far.
Um, I've had maybe I started out just like doing free, but since I'm just
like sending it in the messages, um, I don't really get any feedback.
Like I asked for feedback, but I haven't really gotten anything.
So I changed it to do like 2 99 and I've made 15 or so people that I've sent it
to, but nothing like really come of it.
I just didn't know if you had any thoughts.
So you're getting people interested, but then when you send them, no one's buying.
Okay, cool.
Dang 6 million, 5 million.
That's amazing.
Very cool.
Those are the most recent ones.
Or did you pin these?
Are these like end of the top area?
That's cool.
Um, okay.
So tell me which one is a call to action one that has like a call to action on it.
Um, yeah, if you scroll down a little bit, there's one of like a girl
holding a funny right there on the right.
Like one person put bunny in that, for example, but okay.
10 day nature filled Bible study.
She learned and she cool.
Is there any other ones?
Um, yeah, if you scroll down, let's see.
There's one that like quite a few comment on, but it's a
little down a little bit further.
It's like a boy with a tackle box, but okay.
Say boy would tackle box.
Oh, I think it's higher.
Sorry.
I bet I could find it real quick and then send the link.
Okay.
No worries.
Yeah.
So what we're always doing, this is kind of for everybody, right?
So we always want to see where is the, imagine this like a funnel sales funnel.
The explore page or wherever people are finding these reels.
That's like the first thing, right?
Then we have our profile and then we have maybe them following the profile
and they're following it for awhile.
Then finally you say there's a 10 day thing.
Right.
And they comment, then they go to your stand store and then they check out.
Right.
There's like the whole journey.
So we always want to figure out like, where's the bottleneck, right?
Where are people getting stuck?
It sounds like you've got the content.
You got people starting to follow.
You even have people commenting on the call to action.
Potentially that one had one, but you said the other one had more than that.
So it sounds like the bottleneck is somewhere between there and, and,
and the stand store potentially.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah.
So let me go look at the stand start real quick.
So excuse me, let me see how again, congruency, right?
10 day nature filled Bible study, nature loving little one can connect deeper.
Jesus.
Okay.
So then we're going to click on this.
And then you have two of them, right?
Yeah.
So that's the one you'd be sending to people.
10 day wild child devotional.
Does this go back?
I see was like, okay.
This devotion.
I'll attend a wild child supposed to show now as devotion.
And I can graduates creations.
Yeah.
I think like, I like the low price.
That it's like, you just want to basically test.
I know you said you tested free potentially, but I think testing with
Yeah.
money is totally good and keeping it really low, you know, just to see
like, am I, am I even close on nailing it?
Um, I would say, I think the price is fine.
Um, you could, I see this like crossed out thing.
You could like tell them why it's crossed out.
Like sometimes having a reason for something is helpful.
Like, Hey, my, you know, launch sale or something like that.
So you might even put it in the title here.
This is, I think probably the title of the product, right?
So, um, and I would even put it, make it more about them.
So get your, get your 10 day wild child devotional, um, you know, on
sale now for limited time or something like that, or, or launch special,
you know, um, 80% off or whatever the percentage is from $10 to three.
Right.
It was at 70% off.
So you might just put that in the towel, get your blank launch special
70% off for a limited time.
Um, and then the only other thing I would change is you could make this
photo kind of like a mock-up, you know, have you ever seen like those mock-up
graphics, um, so there's a, I wish I had a better resource for creating those,
but like Fiverr, honestly, probably you could find someone like digital,
digital, uh, or like, I'll just do like ebook, ebook, mock-up.
You know, something like, uh, these are more like, oh, I need to sign in.
Hold on one second.
But having kind of something like, I know it's digital, but like in that photo,
kind of like, what am I going to get?
Right.
And so Cappy's, we showed her digital ebook.
Let me just, I could go to hers too, but it kind of shows like
the layout of it a little bit.
It's not giving them everything that's in there, but it's kind of like, here's
what you're going to see inside, you know?
Fiverr's like, not let me sign in.
There we go.
Okay.
So digital, digital product, mock-up your CD is like, you know, this is more for
like a course type of thing, but, um, you know, where it's like, wow, it looks like.
It looks amazing.
Right.
You could do something like this.
Right.
Cause it's like, okay, they're not going to get a box, but they are going to,
they could see it on their, on their computer.
Right.
And they basically kind of take a couple elements from your thing.
And then they just kind of like make it into something that looks like this, you
know, and then you're not getting a full book, but I think this would work.
Like you'd have like three pages that you can't read.
Right.
Um, and they kind of have like a nice logo and they show it here.
They show it on an iPad and then, you know, maybe you don't have these
boxes or something, right.
But it just makes it feel like, Ooh, wow.
Like, you know, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's
Ooh, wow.
Like this is cool.
Um, and then maybe even on some of the photos, you can just find some stock
photos or something of kids playing in the mud or something like that, but
that might just make it look a little more elevated, like, wow, I'm going to
get this thing.
And then the only thing I would change would be the copy.
I, what you said to me was like, I think more powerful at the beginning of this
call, you said like, this is for, you kind of describe the person, like you're
like, you know, kids who I forget how you said it, but like, they love to be
outdoors and get their hands dirty.
But the parents also like wanting corporate faith and spirituality, right?
Like, I think just describing it like that, like, you know, if you have kids,
like this is for parents of the wild childs who love to be outside, you know,
don't want to sit in pews, you know, but you still have a heart to have them
connect with God.
Like I created this for you.
And then I would, um, I would kind of make these like, we talked about this a
little bit earlier, what like make them.
So that statements, so like nature-based activities, so that blink and the, so
that is like, it's a benefit, right?
So nature-based activities, you know, so that your young ones can get all their
energy out while still growing spiritually, right.
Um, nurture faith and love for creation, you know, um, so that, you know, you know,
your kids can develop a pathway to connect with God that'll last their
lifetime, right.
Build a relationship with Jesus so that, you know, so you can come up with these
benefits that are like, um, the benefits of actually doing the thing, right.
Um, uh, yeah.
But I think besides those two things, you got good price there, easy checkout, um,
always test it, you know, like just to make sure it's working, it looks like
it's going to work, but just make sure, but yeah, that's the only two things I
would change.
And then, um, and then what you could also do is you could, since it's 70% off
for your launch special, you could just use that in a copy, you know, so on
something like this, you could say, you know, I just created a 10 day nature
field, but I was like, if you have kids that are this, this, and this, I think
the more you can describe.
the person, the more they're like, Oh my gosh, that's me.
You know, if you have kids that love being outside, you're looking for your,
you know, you were going to help them grow spiritually comment blank for my
10 day nature field Bible study.
It's 70% off for this.
It's 74% off this week.
Right.
And you can say that as long as it's 70% off, um, until you, you know, you
start getting velocity on it, then you start raising the price up, but that
could be like a nice, like just little thing to help bump it.
I like that.
I did find that other real too.
And I sent it in the chat.
Oh, nice.
Let me see.
There's the chats.
There we go.
Looking for a boss that relates to your nature loving wild kiddo.
Yeah.
That language.
I think the reason it has so many comments here is because it resonates.
Like, it's just like, Oh yeah, me, that's me.
You know, so the more you can say the words in their head, like that's, that's
going to the bunny one, what just wasn't asking her and didn't feel like this
and you're going right to it.
You're like, some kids love this.
Some kids are like this, right?
We're designing Bible lessons just for you.
Um, follow blank.
Oh, this one doesn't even have a call to action at it.
It had it, but, um, I removed it because it like, it's not getting any activity
anymore and I don't have many chat yet.
So I didn't want to miss people.
Oh yeah.
Totally.
Cool.
But you did have one on there.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Everyone's like upset about that.
And then the crazy mom kids are like, that's what kids do.
Like, yeah.
Well, you're getting, you know, your audience knows, like, this
is like totally normal, right?
And you're also part of good marketing is attracting and also repelling.
Right.
So some people it's like, this is not like, you know, for me and that's okay.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Good stuff.
Thank you so much.
Cool.
Um, we got Shola up last year.
Hey, what's up Shola?
I'm trying to cook dinner and listen at the same time.
So for my page, I've had this one reel that's really, really going, like my
phone's always pinging with this one reel.
And I'm not sure, uh, based on the type of media channel I have, how I can
offer some kind of freebie or monetize off of it.
Um, my page is Providence games.
Um, I'm going to put it in.
Gains.
Yeah.
Cause I'm also in Camden's class.
Um, cause I wanted, I'm getting my page more towards, um, selling a lot more
like eBooks and journals and things like that, because I already have a
book that I'm looking to publish.
So I'm not sure.
And it's the seventh one, like from the beginning, it's like this, um,
the seventh reel from when I started.
Not that one.
It's like, yeah, all the way down.
Oh, this is the one that like was going viral.
Is that what you're saying?
It still is.
It's like, people really love this little girl.
And I'm like, I don't know what to do with it.
I just ignore it.
I stopped responding because it was like, people just started
talking amongst each other and I just let it go.
It's her right there.
Go back down the one beneath Steve Harvey.
Yeah.
Her.
Oh yeah.
It's something like, and it's still going.
And I'm not sure what to do with it.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Facial expressions.
Yeah.
Okay.
So the angle of this, uh, empowering parents live bouncing faith finances
and waking life amusing.
So you're trying to think of something to, to monetize off of this account.
Is that what you're saying?
If possible, or should I just let it go?
It's hard to like, yeah, it's hard to monetize off an old post, you know?
But this is helping build your influence, right?
Like people are finding your account and following.
So I wouldn't try to come in here and change it, you know, and edit it for,
uh, hey, buy my thing now.
Yeah.
I would just let it do its thing.
So, you know, I kind of think of like sometimes posts, like their goal is to
get you in front of more people and then, you know, you have more intentional posts.
Like when we just looked at, right.
It was really intentional posts about, Hey, this is for kids that are like this.
I created this thing.
It's like way more specific towards the thing.
So, um, yeah, if you create something, just think about how you can serve, not
just people that like that one, but like people that are following this account
in general, right.
Um, and if you're having a hard time, like think of something, I don't know.
I might start pulling them, you know?
So when you post, there's a way to like add.
poll. Yeah, try that before new ones. Yeah. Yeah. You can also do it on your stories.
You could ask questions in the stories. Like what's, you know, I don't know. What's the most
frustrating thing about, you know, being a parent, but I'll try to grow your faith. Right. Or what's
the, I don't think of like pain point questions. That's like, okay. Or like our goal questions,
you can kind of go one of two ways is ask about the pain or ask about the goals. Right. So what's
one of your goals? Sometimes people don't share as much of the goals. Like it's hard to get the
real answers out of them. But the pains usually they're, they're, they're open to saying that.
So you could also see, like, if you see any content that like, it kind of
fits into, you could also ask that question in the, in the chat. Right. So like,
um, like I'm saying that any of these would make sense.
If you have any ones that you could like relate to basically a question, you know,
that's the more you're, the more you're asking questions, the more you're just learning about
your people. And like, you know, you have faith in here, but like, you know, is it if you post
like a more Christian thing, right? Like, is it, is that what they're into? Or are they just kind
of into like just faith in general, right? You can kind of like learn about them a little bit
and kind of see like what they're into. I'll post about like faith. I'll do financial, um, um,
responsible financial spending, and then I'll just do like everyday fun or just everyday parenting
Okay. Yeah. So you kind of see like, what's resonating is if, and then, so maybe it's the
parent thing. So then you start asking questions about parenting, you know, um, maybe there's a
resource you can create there or a, uh, a cheat sheet or, uh, um, some sort of guide, right.
But we gotta, you gotta ask them questions to kind of figure out what it's going to be.
And then, and then at some point you just got to test some stuff, you know, you might grab,
you know, there is a couple, um, in the app, I believe there's a handful of parenting
digital ebook type thing. Actually grabbed one. Um, there was one on there for a mindful
parenting and a journal. So I already have that in my STEM store. I just haven't. Oh, nice. Yeah.
I already created it through many chat. I just, I was trying to build my followers and it's been
steadily increasing. So, um, I just haven't launched it yet, but I do have two eBooks on my
STEM store already. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. But yeah, you could just test some of these,
you know, even if you're just doing freebies at the beginning, just to go,
Hey, I just created a reward chart. If you had like, say some, some proven viral content
with like, you know, like some kid doing something cool, you could have the caption be like,
you know, do your kids respond, respond well to rewards? Like I just create a free reward chart,
drop the word reward down below and I'll send it to you. Right. So you can just test that. It's
like, no, no comments. You're like, okay, uh, it's not rewards, you know, and just move on to
the next thing, you know, and just kind of test a couple of different things. Um, yeah. Okay.
Cool. Yeah. It's crazy. That post is still going. It's still going. I, I get this thing
like two o'clock in the morning. I check my phone and I see her face all the time.
I'm sick of this. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Just let it, let it ride. It's, you know, right. It's course
and just know it's building your influence and then, um, then you'll, you'll find a way to
monitor it. Okay. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Awesome. Awesome. Cool guys. Well, happy Thursday. Um,
that'll be it for today's call. Um, I know that we've got the truly free thing tomorrow. If you
can make it awesome, if not catch the replay, um, and I'll be back on next Thursday. I'm I'm
we're in town for a while, so I don't think of any crazy trial or anything going on. So I'll
be back next Thursday. So bring those monetization questions and, uh, yeah, we'll see you there.
All right. Cool. Cool. Bye.