All right. Welcome to Men's Heart Check-In Monday night. This is February 10th and 2025.
So welcome, gentlemen. Good to have you all here. Don't have anybody that's a complete newbie on
here, so that's good. Welcome all. And we had a pretty good discussion last time. I liked it.
Things are some good stuff there. And then we didn't record it, so that kind of sucked. But
praise God. God is merciful. He's graceful and all the things.
So anyway, I just want to open it up. What is on your mind? What is on your heart?
What is going on? Any follow-up from last week that you need? Any questions?
Yeah. I do have a question for you, Thomas. Did you get any clarity on some of the stuff
that you were navigating through last week? So last week, for those who weren't present,
I was asking about what do you do when you feel like you hear some things from God about
things to look for or pray for? And I think the general answer was to kind of put it on the shelf
and also follow peace. I think were kind of the two kind of main things that I heard from that.
I think that I feel a lot of peace about kind of, and I also, I've reached out to some of my
closest friends and kind of run it by them and kind of try to get their perspective. I do feel
a lot of peace about kind of moving forward with praying for the things that are on there.
I think for me, like in terms of my theology, putting it on the shelf is very different from
what 1 Timothy 1.18 says when it says fight with the promises that you've been given.
So for me, I think that there's kind of this question of like, how do you judge words accurately?
And then so I think for me last week, maybe I was approaching with kind of like a question of
what's the right rule, which is frequently not the most helpful question maybe.
So figuring out how to be kind of loving towards God, towards my future wife, towards community,
while keeping in mind kind of good wisdom principles is kind of what I've been thinking
about. So I think for me, kind of the answer, the main answer that I was given is different
from kind of how I tend to think or believe, but I very much appreciated the feedback and
and choosing to continue to kind of very much kind of like keep it in mind and process,
if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, well, there's a couple things with that. And I want to
talk to that a little bit, because there's some, it's relevant to the conversation we've been
having in our business, even in our family, just in our small circle here, where we're at,
with regard to the prophetic, if you will. And of course, there's a couple different things that
you have to clarify when you say that, because first and foremost, even if you've been involved
with prophetic type of teaching movements, that kind of stuff, there's still some clarity.
There's individuals who are not as familiar with what do you mean when you say the prophetic?
I mean, Paul specifically talks about the spirit of prophecy or the gift of prophecy that
it's a spiritual gift that he wishes all people desire. And I think a really simple definition of
just prophetic voice is simply like, what is God saying? You know, capturing, trying to capture
the moment of what is God saying to me, an individual? What is God saying to our culture?
What is God saying to our community? What is God saying to the world abroad? And really just like
hearing the voice of God, rather than trying to come up with, oh, this is a prophetic thing,
it sounds really cool, whatever. I'm trying to like get real deep and weird and like different
and cool, rather than, you know, try to do that with the prophetic. It's just simply trying to
say, you know, Lord, what are you saying? And what are you saying either for this person? Or what are
you saying in this situation? And lots of times, you know, I'm attached to really good friends with
Dan McCollum and Bethany Hicks, and they're the leaders of a movement called Prophetic
Company. And they do a lot of just hands-on practical...
training not making it weird in the prophetic and prophesying and being
encouraging edifying and as far as the body which is based in scripture right
so when you're speaking prophetically to someone it's supposed to be for the
uplifting edification encouragement of that individual that that place that
body that local assembly or you know whatever the context is in the moment
and they are they have this one thing they teach all the time they said you
know if you receive a word from somebody however it comes how it comes
to you if it's something that doesn't really like resonate with you matter of
fact if it even like disturbs you or like you know sometimes words could be
challenging a little bit of an invitation like hey you might not be
really comfortable but this I think but I think God's inviting you into a
greater level of whatever right that may be challenging that may be something
it's not as comfortable but it shouldn't be like evilly disturbing
like oh like that's not me at all or that's not my heart's desire I have like
I don't even know what you're talking about they're like when that happens
just have grace for the person because the great person's probably at least
trying we're gonna give them the benefit of the doubt then in good faith that
they're trying to give an accurate word or prophetic words some sort of
encouragement or whatever they thought and it goes and just take that word and
flush it so the encouragement to take things that simply literally just don't
resonate with you don't have any context for your life there's way out on left
field you have every right as an individual as a son or daughter of God
to just flush of that and say I can't just take everything as a word from the
Lord there's that the other thing is that the sitting with you know lots of
times I really feel like you know God gives us indication God's gives us clues
I really believe in in the love and the grace and the mercy of God tries to give
us a heads up a lot of times if we're listening if we're trying to pay
attention if we're not trying to not make it too confusing but if I Lord you
know you're walking along and there's lots of times he sort of has to get our
attention and so sometimes we might receive a word we might receive some
sort of I want to say predication but it's a like a like a what do we what's
that word will come back to me in a second but some some sort of like idea
or cognizance of the future you know I'm saying like this may happen or this is
something that I feel like is whatever but you don't have any direct
information on it you don't have any direct confirmation even in the natural
or someone said something or anything but you have this like set the word
predication like your premonition premonition sort of a premonition sort
of an a foreknowledge of something that could be and I think sometimes the Lord
in his grace tries to prepare our hearts for things that he wants to make come
about in our lives or wants to lead us into or wants to say hey have you ever
thought of yourself as something more than what you're doing right in this
instance and I think in that case and even for future relationships so to
speak right so I think in that case that's part of this the journey so when
I say like when you put things on the shelf I mean that sometimes there are
things that come to us that's like huh I have to ponder that just like Mary did
Mary pondered the word of the Lord the angel that came to her the word of the
Lord the angel Lord that came to her and gave her the word she pondered it in her
heart so this is sort of what I'm sort of addressing like when things come to
you and you're like I don't know what to make of that and I don't know whether to
trust it or this or that that's something you just have to sit with for
a moment I guess that's kind of where I was coming from and then there are times
when you're like you know I really believe that's a word of the Lord
that's very encouraging because I was looking for that exact sort of like
confirmation if you will that to me is where you take a word like that and you
contend for it you're like okay I believe I've received a strong word in
this I really believe this is God he's leading me into this this is a definite
yes now I'm trying to contend for the natural circumstances to line up with
what God's doing in my life so it's a little bit different a couple different
ways to look at it so what I'm trying to get at and I think unfortunately here's
sort of the bad side I think a lot of our church cultures if you're not in
this culture this brand if you will of church then don't worry about it but
there's there's a certain church prophetic culture that has really taken
the prophetic to like the nth degree
to the point where it's like, um, there's the old school version.
There's a little bit of a new couple generational versions of this to where
it's kind of like people put way too much emphasis on the prophetic, like,
Oh, this prophet came to me and said this thing.
It doesn't, it came out, you know, like if they were to be honest, it
probably came out of left field or, or it probably had some like
connections to some things, but then they're trying to fit their life into
that, or they're trying to be obedient that, and then they elevate some
prophetic word over every red flag that's in there, that's in their life
to say, no, this is not it.
This is not healthy.
This is not good.
This is why we need community.
This is why we need good family.
This is why we need good community.
This is why we need good friends.
We need good people who are faithful in the Lord in our lives.
We understand that in the natural family has deteriorated in our culture.
You know, good, um, you know, friendly neighbors have even
deteriorated in our, in our, in our culture.
So we have to modify, we have to like, Hey, if you don't have a great family,
there is family in, you know, what we're doing every Monday night, there's
family in, you know, your, hopefully you have a faith community that you're a
part of, but you have somebody around you that you're doing life with, that
you can trust people that have good wisdom, good advice, are they the
strongest, most greatest, best Christians?
I don't know if that's completely necessary.
It's wonderful.
When you have people that love Jesus, they can also give you good wisdom,
but I found a lot of people that are just really wise, sound people that
aren't necessarily the most sharp Christian or Christian at all, but
I've gotten good advice from them.
I've gotten good, like solid wisdom from them.
So it can come from a lot of different places, but it is nevertheless, the
basic thing is it is why we need community is why we need each other to
say, Hey, bro, um, I see where you're coming from.
I, I feel your heart in this.
I said, let me, let me shed some light on something else that
may be a little bit different.
Maybe you're thinking about this a little bit different or let me
question that, or let me, let's have a conversation.
Let's have a dialogue about it.
You know, and that's kind of a lot of what we do on this call.
Um, but I think that's helpful and I think that's good.
And I love the fact, cause Thomas, I mean, you, you came last
week with that, those sort of heart.
You're like, Hey, I believe in this community.
I believe you guys, and I trust you.
And I, I just want to put this out there and want to see, you know,
if this is something that, you know, what do you think about it?
And that's, that's a beautiful, it's vulnerable and it's, but it's a
very beautiful thing to do in community in a, in a, you know, community
that's built on values and love and the heart of heart of God.
So, and brotherhood.
So I love that.
So that's kind of like my comments.
Cause you know, coming back to that a little bit on that, I
hope that brings some clarity.
Um, thanks for Shane.
Anybody else have anything to comment on that?
Does that, does that help at all, Thomas?
It helped.
Yeah.
I, yeah, I think, um, it's always good to get kind of the perspective in the
context and I think it's, you know, of course, helpful to hear kind of what
you're saying and, um, it's also interesting just to hear, you know, that
your, your reference like Dano and, you know, that kind of, that kind of community
is, and so, yeah, it's, it's his book that, um, kind of really informed kind
of a lot of like the encouragement to like judge words and that kind of stuff.
So, um, so, uh, so yeah, um, but, um, yeah, continuing, I think, I think it's
so interesting to me, the idea of, of just like faith and just doing our best
and like Proverbs three, five and six and saying, you know what, like we do our
best and then we trust that God's going to work it out as we, you know, as, as
we really, I think God loves it when we do our best and, and I, someone was
praying for me Sunday and, and was saying like, you know, God loves being
with us as we learn and as we learn, even if it means course correcting
or whatever it means.
And, um, it's not necessarily, and I think you've said this before, David,
this person said, it's not as much about like becoming perfect as much
as kind of like experiencing the journey with God and with others.
Yes.
Yeah.
I have this, I have this little phrase, I have this little like vignette
that I rehearse every once in a while.
And it's kind of, it kind of goes like this.
It's like, um, I have this imagination where God looks down on us and kind of
puts his arm around you like a, like a father would and just go, Hey man,
you're doing a great job.
It's not at all what I expected or anticipated or had in mind.
But you're doing a great job, you know, like you're doing good.
Like it is isn't at all what I had in mind, but you're doing great.
You know, like I feel like he does that individually.
I feel like he does that with sort of our religious systems
and our cultures and our even the world at large.
It's like you're doing great. I love you.
You know, and that's kind of like this little thing I rehearse a lot.
And I feel like that's, you know, what happens.
So who else what else is out there, guys, what do you got?
Abrams going to be on the dating game tomorrow night.
Awesome, Abram. Congratulations.
And good luck and Godspeed and good job, Abram.
Look forward to it, man.
Going to be good.
So the dating game, that's that's separate from the spotlight.
Is that something like if you want to be on the dating game,
then you have to request being on the dating game instead of spotlight?
Well, the dating game and the spotlights
were kind of designed to do the same type of thing,
which is from a different from two different perspectives.
The dating game is a lot of fun.
The spotlights, we used to highlight a couple individuals, even one individual.
And now she's doing a little bit more like speed.
She's doing some sort of different format to where we're trying to kind of get through more spotlights,
give at least sort of a chance for more people to be spotlighted faster, men and women.
So that's a little bit.
Yeah, I guess, you know, I don't know if it'll be handled in the same session
because I don't know if it's going to be handled in the same way.
But I think it's going to be a little bit different.
I guess the thing is that I kind of felt like, you know, gypped in a way, unfortunately,
because I feel like there was a lot more people.
And then it's not like I'm trying to hog all the time, but it's just like I feel like.
Like in order to be noticed by the women, I would need to get more time,
like there's a lot of guys, you know,
then it's like less is focused on each guy.
And I felt like I wasn't asked as many questions as other guys.
So I don't know.
I just kind of felt.
Did you do a spotlight with just a couple other you and a couple other guys?
Is that what happened?
Well, there was a lot of guys and there was a lot of women.
Oh, there were about like six guys on your night, Andy.
And then and then the women kept asking, like, what, how tall you are.
And all the guys were saying, like, like, I'm six foot.
And I was the only one that said, like, five, four.
I'm like, not that I'm conscious of my height, even.
It's just that it's kind of annoying.
And like, why do they have to ask about height?
And like, I'm the only one that's short.
Like, what the heck?
This is this is the thing with women.
This is a weird thing with women and the height.
I it's just like it's the same thing with like guys have their own other little issue.
As far as like, what is a beautiful woman?
You know, like there's so many people that respond with blonde hair, blue eyes.
I'm like, that's not my thing at all.
But that's sort of the typical thing.
The other thing, this is the thing with girls.
They just do this thing with height.
And Jackie's like, look, all guys in all of America are five, eight.
So just get used to it, ladies.
Just like, you know, five, nine or whatever she says.
And because that's actually the average height of like all males.
It's like five, nine or something like that.
It's just really like, you know, most people think, oh, like the average height of males
is like almost six feet.
It's not not at all.
And so this is the thing.
So I don't know.
I ask, ask a lady next time, you know, that you're around us.
Why is height such a big thing?
Like ask somebody that you trust, not somebody that you're on a date with.
And of course, a lot of women ask us the same thing.
Why is it about being skinny or looking like those models that you see on the magazine?
Or on the media?
Yeah, I think culture is changing on that a little bit.
Yeah, I did.
What is going on?
We can have a discussion about characteristics and physical characteristics of men and women
if you want to the rest of time.
Or we can actually talk about something that really kind of matter.
I have a question about a method of dating.
It's I guess it's kind of like I'm not sure if it's like a gentleman thing or if it's
like something within the Christian concept of dating.
I went on a date recently with someone and I offered to pay for the coffees that we had.
And she was like, oh, I don't want ownership over me.
No, thank you.
I was like, what the heck is that?
Like, it's not I'm not owning you for buying you a coffee.
I think that's a little strange.
Jackie has the phrase, she says it all the time.
You know, how does it go?
It goes something like chivalry went where ladylike went.
So, you know, it's a weird thing in our culture.
I mean, kind of tread lightly, but at the same time,
try not to be offensive, but at the same time,
for crying out loud.
I was just, I just didn't understand what it meant.
People pay it forward in the drive-through lines
all the time, so I don't know what the big deal is.
It's just chivalry.
Yeah.
Chris, you had your hand raised.
I thought you had an idea that you wanted to share.
Yeah.
Well, first of all, testimony.
I got through last week.
I went to bed Monday night, kind of in a pretzel.
I asked for prayer for a decision last week,
and I woke up at 3.30 in the morning,
on Wednesday morning, kind of a wreck.
And as I was praying and pondering,
God brought Proverbs 22.1 to my mind.
Good name is more to be desired than great wealth,
and favor is better than silver and gold.
And I won't go into all the details,
but it was kind of a, at that point,
it was like a decision of job transition,
state transition, everything that had to be made
Thursday night, and I just came to peace with it,
and God gave me resolution.
So anyway, so that was a really cool,
like God showed up moment.
But I had a question about if anyone,
and I guess this is a little bit general,
you know, like I know that my sheep hear my voice,
like we all can hear God's voice.
And does anyone have any lessons they've learned
or they've been able to adapt on the difference
between anxiety or fear and cautions from the Holy Spirit?
I do.
Like I did, because anxiety is when you're concerned,
worried about something out of your control
and more concerned about what you want
versus what God wants.
A budging from the Holy Spirit, like I was tempted,
I went to a Super Bowl party with my boss's house,
they call company, a lot of people were cussing,
and I look at it, I was gonna think about cussing a lot,
and then the Holy Spirit just nicked at me saying,
you know, don't swear.
So I was the least, I cussed the least at the party.
And of course, everybody was drinking
and I only had one beer, and that was that.
Basically, that sort of thing.
Thanks, Hunter.
I'll throw something in.
Anytime the Holy Spirit's like giving you a word of warning,
it's gonna come with peace.
If it's driven by anxiety or fear,
it's gonna be that sense of anxiety and worry.
So like everything from the Lord is gonna come with peace.
I think so. Amen.
I put two and two together.
I think one of the things that really is important
for that to be true is that we have to be totally surrendered
because if we're fighting it
and God's telling us something,
like it really messes up the emotional balance.
At least that's kind of what I'm discerning.
Any thoughts, David, or?
What do you mean by totally surrendered?
I'm just kind of listening to everybody's responses.
Yeah, I do have thoughts though.
You know, I always do.
Anybody else?
Yeah, I just wanted to get what he meant
by totally surrendered.
Like, would you put like a quality to that, I guess?
A quality or an example, maybe?
Is that another way?
Yeah, like put it in some type of measurable terms of like.
Okay, so my thing right here is moved on to Florida.
Like basically it was quit my job right now,
be paid for eight months,
wrap up everything and move to Florida.
And I was just,
and I was just, you know, I was kind of like,
I've been, I've wondered in my mind,
like kind of like David was saying,
like God will give us like leading.
And I've been kind of like wrestling with it.
Like, I wonder if he's leading in a certain direction.
And all of a sudden this like hammer came down
and it was like this do or don't opportunity.
And it was kind of a perfect way out
from all the obstacles.
But at that point,
I just decided that there was a,
I decided that basically God was gonna give me another way.
If there was, if this was him,
he was gonna work out another path
because there was too much anxiety in the process.
And it's also come up in relation to,
in relation to dating for me,
because like I've never felt peace in any relationship.
ship except unless I'm not really interested, you know, like, you know, it's just like when
I'm really interested in someone, I've shut it down, because I'm like, I don't feel peace
in this. And I mean, God speaks to me, but I was just kind of just figuring it out there.
Let me ask you, Chris, just for clarification, is the move to move to Florida? Is it for
the reason of pursuing a relationship? No. Oh, it's a job opportunity or? Yeah, it was
a job opportunity. And it's a job opportunity. And I happen to know there's some great churches
down there. I've got a great church too. I don't I don't want to leave my church. That
was part of the problem. I don't want to leave my church. It was a really cool. It's
a really cool job opportunity. And yeah. Yeah, I mean, this is where I think I don't I don't
want to run. I don't want to just do a wide I mean, like I'm struggling with this where
I want to go with this. But like, this is where I feel like I feel like this is a practical
sort of situation where it's like you have an opportunity to, I'm assuming, advance your
career. So a lot of people would be like, well, why wouldn't you do that? You know,
they're just very practically minded. They're not really thinking about anything relational,
anything community wise. And, you know, like they think those things are secondary. You know,
some people are just like, oh, you have advances, you know, that would be the obvious thing to do.
You advance your career and make more money, do whatever, have more, whatever, you know,
it comes along with that. I think there's conventional wisdom like, hey, what's the
smart move, you know, type thing. What's the smart like, you know, if you could buy something
for less over here than over here, the smart thing would do to buy the thing that's less,
you know, it's just practical, very, you know, practical wisdom. I think that's very valuable
in a lot of ways. And I think, especially I think with believers sometimes, I think believers
sometimes can get a little bit spiritually minded to where like the practicality goes out the window
and it's like, well, bro, let's just come down here. Just like, let's just think about this for
a second. So there's that. I think that also there's a, I believe there's also what I was
asking maybe a few months ago, which is kind of like, what do you want, you know? And sometimes
I know that's hard to decide because you're like, well, I want this, but I also want that too.
And it's just like, okay. But like, if you drill down into the, what do you want question,
I feel like this has a lot to do with that because it's like, when you have very little at stake,
like if you're in a situation where they're, Hey, there's a relationship and relationship is on the
forefront of your sort of pursuit right now, because of where you're at in your life, i.e.
the fact that you're connected to even just this community. Right. So, but assume that maybe
you might seriously consider making a move. It was, it was for a relationship,
but this really isn't that you're not telling me that, you know, there's no relationship of
odds. It's just a career move. But the other thing on the other side of that is
you're probably thinking, well, if I do this, Lord is not so bad. I mean, I don't want to
leave my church, but at the same time, there's other great churches. There is a career advancement
and who knows, maybe what I'm looking for in a relationship is in Florida. You know,
who knows what this suddenly, sometimes you make decisions just to see, you know,
maybe you could make a career move. Maybe you could move down to Florida. Does it have to be
the last thing you ever do in your life in terms of a career move and a major decision? Probably
not. Can it be undone? I mean, it probably could with some, you know, because if you get down there
and you move, I've had people move all the time and they moved down for a couple of years and
they're like, you know what? This really wasn't what I thought it was going to be. And so they
moved back or whatever. The practical, the practical idea of the fact that you can always
sort of do what it is you want, go back, go forward, whatever it is, that takes a lot of
the pressure off. But at the same time, it's still kind of always comes back to that. What do you
want? Like, what do you want to do? Like, not in a hard no sense, but like, hey, if you could just
sort of like quiet the noise for a moment and just get into your heart and go, I really believe like
whatever the Lord has put in my heart.
These already give me some sort of desire for what's the right next move.
And if I just simply answer the question in a moment of peace, like,
what do I really want to do? And if you could contend for that,
you actually might find a solace, a peace in making a good decision.
Also, just to add a caveat to what Zach had said about that word from the Lord's not gonna
be outside of love. It's not going to come with any fear either. If you remember the story of Job,
he talks about, oh, what I've always feared has come to pass.
So because he was operating in fear, all these things were able to attack him.
So just it's not going to be anything with any sense of
anything outside of love, anything having to do with fear in your movements and your guidance.
If that offers any further stability for you, Chris.
Yeah, this is hardcore vulnerable, but I've been realizing that I think
I do think I do a lot of what I do mostly out of like fear of being in the wrong place.
Like it's more like I'm above all else. I'm afraid of getting out of God's will,
because in my mind, that's just like an absolute mess and pain and stuff like that.
So it's like, yeah. So anyway, but that's a huge roadblock.
I was listening to a podcast tonight about about like tension and fear in relationships,
and it made it kind of was like, OK, what do I do with this? You know, how do I.
Yeah, if God's already told, you know, about something that's that's no. But if it's just
if you're 41 and it's just like this constant, like never feeling right about anything,
it's like, OK, well, I am. I basically I've set aside like however long it takes. I've
quit working on the house. So I basically come home at night, spend time with Jesus.
So it's changing. I'm like aggressively working on it. But
but anyways, maybe that was too deep. I just wanted to throw it out there.
It's really not deep at all. Not too deep at all, man. I
a vulnerable share for me like I have been.
After completing the hard work, realizing that I've been lukewarm for a long time, like I
kind of only read my Bible when I need to, like when I feel anxious or whatever in life is going
on. Or like when I'm at church or doing a Bible study with my men's group, not like a daily
practice. So like every day for the last five days, climbed a mountain, spent like
a good two hours just consuming the word and opened up to one of my pastors on Sunday.
I was like, yeah, you know, real talk. I feel like all of you are perfect. And I'm like the
only one that's like not reading my Bible daily. And he's like, no, you're not the only one.
I guarantee it. None of us are almost most of us are like definitely not reading our Bible daily.
Life gets in the way. Other things get in the way. So and I'm 40 years old and
it's it's not the same thing as being afraid of being out of God's will type of fear, but it's
like definitely a fear of sometimes I feel like I'm inadequate in being able to do what's accepted
or do what's expected. If that helps, Chris, like, I don't know if that's the same thing that
you're feeling, but it's like stuff from. I guess the stuff from my childhood and also stuff from
when I was in the military that I'm just like always like more so setting impossible standards
for myself. So almost like I'm stuck in that self-fulfilling loop of I'm never good enough.
I have to keep striving. I have to keep seeking higher and higher, pushing myself harder.
And sometimes it's just me beating my head against a wall for no good reason.
Thanks for sharing. That's I definitely hear you.
Abraham, did you have something? I don't know if you like I saw a facial cue that
said you were going to say something. I didn't know if you got something on this or not.
Earlier, I was going to make a joke about David with the coffee that now that you bought her
coffee, you own her. It was just a stupid joke. She just makes, she just has to do whatever you
say all the time because you bought her $3 coffee. No, that was just a stupid joke. That's power.
Obligation. It's a cup of coffee. I don't know. Yeah, it's a cheap investment. Yeah, I think there's a little chip on that shoulder for me
fear is
Fear is that is the I'm not unknown
because I mean if you knew that it's gonna be this this and this and you had control and
But when you don't have control there's fear because it's all and then you start going
Well, what if this happens and what if this and what if I don't find a church and what if I you know
I feel the same you
yeah, and for me sometimes when I have decisions like a different job or something or
And I'll go well if money wasn't the motivation or I had all the money
would I even take that job and if or would I even do that or do this and
If the answer is like no because I'm doing it for some other reason. I'm all okay, so
You know because we get motivated by other things
But yeah for me is fears when I don't have control of something and that can be in relationships, too
Right because you don't know how it's gonna be so you can be fearful
Even starting what I appreciate that John
Um, I mean not to justify myself and I won't go into details
But like it was part of it involved like leaving a job
Leaving like what I feel by an order of magnitude is the best job for me in Cleveland
and I would not be able to get it back just because of the circumstances like it was like if I walk out here this
is done and
But if I do this if I don't if I didn't do this now if I didn't like rush myself based on this offer
That didn't have to be the case
You know, which was kind of part of like, you know, like the enemy was trying to put me in a box
And then I will say like there there is a relationship here in Cleveland that Jackie
Doesn't think
It's done and
I am really struggling with you know, but so there's that in a time, you know in the mix as well
and
So, yeah, so between those two things and not wanting to like, you know waste my life
If I'm supposed to be in Florida because you know if if I'm supposed to be in Florida, she's probably in Florida so it's like
Anyway, but thanks for hearing me out. Man. There's so many things so many things going on here
I have a ton of things are going on with me too. But like again, there's not really enough time to talk about me
Me too, but I just like to I'm just open. I figure we need and we hear from other people what's going on?
I'm I'm
Just feel like my days of being single or I just got a sense of this last year singles
Programming letting go thinking man. Mary God has already numbered the days of being single for me
Interesting and Chris when you were talking about like the door open
I mean when that thing I offer came real fast in my mind. I pictured like a door just slung open and
And you know, which does that happens fast? It's like, you know until the door opens
It's just like a wall then Austin door opens and there's just this new path
And that's when you said that it was abrupt and whatever. That's what just popped in my head
That's interesting. I just listened to
one of the replays from
it wasn't a
Main event. I think it was actually the prophetic night
from
December 30th or something
Where Jackie was talking about a door hinge?
Hmm
But
And it feels like a God wink moment all of a sudden
Yeah, like some abrupt
Because it that offer didn't exist a couple like months ago, right
Thomas you have your hand raised. Are you I wanted to comment on this that was that what that's for. Yeah, I mean, I
I know I've talked a lot last week in this week. It's I really I'm hoping you know, I don't I don't want to
You change especially, you know, if you said Andy that there are things you want to share
But I just I do Chris since you asked and there are a couple things that kind of feel maybe right to share
Just as general ideas first. I just want to say thank you to to you and David for being real. I
really appreciate it a lot and
I think it's it can be so frustrating
I also just want to offer some empathy. I feel like it can be really frustrating and really painful
when you're like really wanting so bad to do the right thing and kind of getting jerked around and
tormented almost even it sounds like
And that that's really rough I think in terms of some things that have happened over the last couple months
things that I've personally have found helpful.
I think it's been
One question is, is the voice loving?
Like one time I was just being torn apart inside
and I feel like God kind of stopped everything
and he was like, this is the enemy.
And it was like all these kind of like accusations.
He's like, this is you.
And it was just like this voice of total confusion.
And he was like, this is me.
He's like, I love you, you're my son.
And it felt so different.
So I think I'll be praying for you and for all of us,
for discernment.
Two, I think testing the spirits,
like first John three says, can be really helpful to ask,
like, is Jesus the word made flesh
to the spirit that's trying to talk?
Cause there were so many spirits.
I just used to do anything whenever I got
like a spiritual impression or something.
But it turns out, I mean, like to me, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not in a place to judge, but it sounds strange to me
that like something would come to you and say like,
you need to get off this really great thing
that you're doing and like, kind of go over this way.
But three is, if you aren't complying,
does the voice get mean?
I think is something to maybe keep in mind.
Like Abby Stumball talks about how like she always used
to follow this voice.
And then a kind of prophetic minister said,
what happens if you disobey?
And so one time she tried doing something
slightly different and it got really angry
and mean really fast.
And which is a symbol that it's really
probably not the Lord.
And then another one is like a fleece, you know?
So like the fact that you asked for like a confirmation,
I think that's can be very biblical.
I don't think that that necessarily means
you have a lack of faith sometimes.
If you're like, I really don't know.
I really got asking you to like confirm this, you know?
And then number five is just that question of like,
is the voice causing torment?
Because I don't think the torment is from the Lord
for you at all.
But I don't know, I believe in you.
And I really am proud of you for just making
the best decision you know how.
And I don't know, I'll be praying for you this week.
That's good.
A couple of things I read out.
Daniel, you have your hand raised.
Go ahead first.
Yeah, hey, I wanted to, Thomas,
I appreciate your gentle spirit.
That's admirable.
Chris, you know, I was just gonna say like,
I think there's a lot to be said
for our own free will, right?
I mean, Jesus says like, I'm with you
to the ends of the earth.
And that includes Ohio and Florida, right?
And so I think you have a certain,
I think you have freedom to like,
it goes back to what David was saying.
Like, what do you want?
I mean, do you wanna go to Florida?
Or does that sound totally horrible?
And I think, you know, one of the things,
a teaching that I came across recently
that was really, that I just appreciated a lot
was the idea that, you know, sometimes,
I don't know that we are always guaranteed
a sense of peace when we walk with God.
He says he's with us.
But I don't know that we're always guaranteed
a sense of peace.
And they were using the passage
where the Israelites refused to go into the promised land
because they didn't have peace about it.
And it wasn't like, you know,
you'll know to go into the promised land
because you have a sense of peace about it.
It was like, you'll know to go into the promised land
because I'm with you and I'm leading you into that path.
And so the main takeaway from that teaching
was like, the promises, the Holy Spirit
is always gonna take us into the promised land
and like deeper into God's will for our life,
deeper into like an understanding of who he is to us.
And yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I think sometimes we seek peace
at the expense of entering the promised land.
So yeah, but also, I mean,
and also I was gonna say,
I hear you on like the relationship piece.
And I wanna just tell you like,
keep on the path that you're on
because it is possible to have a relationship
that brings you peace.
It's like really great.
So keep on the path, man.
Don't give up.
And we're here with you too.
So you're not alone.
You were gonna say something else?
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Yeah, that's all.
That's real good.
I appreciate that, Daniel.
Thanks and everybody chiming in on this.
So good.
I just wrote down a couple of statements
that I just kind of collecting from things
that other people have already said as well,
but they're just like,
They're just kind of absolutes, and they're based in Scripture, because first and foremost,
we can't ever—this is something we need to contend for, guys—we can't ever be motivated
by fear.
Now even though we are, even though fear has a way of actually lighting the fire underneath
you, we have to find a way to not be motivated by fear itself.
And we could talk a long time about the difference between fear or the difference between a good
sort of like—there's times when I get up and when I awake in the morning, and sometimes
I lie there, and I'm my own boss, so it's not like I have to like get to a nine-to-five
or anything like that.
I don't have like a schedule like that, so my schedule's my own.
But I lay there for a second, and sometimes I'm like, I just want to lay here and go back
to sleep, or I just want to do whatever.
But then something gnaws at me, and it's just like, no, you need to get up, because something
really needs to be done.
Because if you don't do that, you know, then you're just going to get behind in your day,
and you know this is always going to happen.
So it's just kind of like this internal thing that's like, you know, sort of like trying
to be an impetus for me to like, no, just go ahead and get up now, because, you know,
it'd just be better if you would, because the earlier you get started, you're just going
to get behind.
You know how you go.
You know, it's kind of like my inner voice talking to me, going, you know how this routine
goes.
Like, you're going to get behind, and this is what—so just get up now.
Just do it, right?
Other people, like my dad, he transferred—the voice in his head is, get your ass out of
bed, Bobby.
That's basically—that's my dad's version of the same thing.
You know, like, alarm just went off, you know, get up.
So whatever the internal voice is, but is that fear that's motivating me?
I don't know if it's fear.
It doesn't feel good.
It feels like a sort of like a nervousness, it's like anxiousness.
I don't know what to call that, but I'm not necessarily calling that fear.
Urgency.
Urgency, maybe, however you want to call it.
Moving with purpose.
Yeah, so living with purpose, you know, sort of the good sort of thing.
So there is, like, I'm not talking about those kinds of things, but I'm talking literally
about we cannot operate from the position or be motivated from the position of the fear
of loss or just fear itself, intimidation and fear itself, all that kind of thing.
We have to reject fear because it literally is the opposite of the currency of the kingdom
that we live in.
We live in the kingdom of light, and love is the currency of the kingdom.
So we have to operate.
We have to contend for that.
So fear, no bueno.
Fear has to be out.
If that's a struggle, then we have to come against that, right?
So that's just a principle I want to lay down.
The other thing in terms of, like, Dan was talking about peace, there's another thing
that kind of goes with peace, and I felt like we've led, like, I had experience like this.
It's not only peace, but it's also grace.
And what I mean by grace is there's sometimes things that we feel like we're supposed to
do, or that even we want to do, that we go about the process of going to do them.
And then there's all these things that really stand in the way.
And I'm not talking about just, like, obstacles keeping you from your destiny.
I'm talking about just, like, things are just not working out.
And then some people are so committed to their sort of, like, false narrative, if you will.
Like, I have to do this, or I should do this, or I'm supposed to do this, that they literally
force the thing.
And there's, like, no grace in it at all.
So it's not just peace, but it's also grace as well.
There's a time that we learned this, Jackie and I, we did it, we learned this as sort
of an object lesson when we bought a car a couple cars ago.
And we're like, did you notice how easy that process was?
We're like, yeah, that was really weird.
Usually buying a car is not an easy process.
It's like this long, belabored sales thing, and you have to go through all of these rudiments.
And everybody knows when you go into a dealership, you have to go through all the hoops and everything
to do that.
And it just wasn't that way.
And we're like, man, this is so cool.
We just felt the grace on this.
We felt like we felt that was God showing us, like, hey, it doesn't have to be difficult.
You know, sometimes it is a little difficult, and sometimes you want to persevere through
stuff.
But there's a certain grace sometimes that can come through.
and be gone with things that are like of the Lord,
if you will.
And so there's peace and grace.
So if you're forcing something, that might be a clue.
Persevering through obstacles
and sort of like the obstacles of your enemy is one thing,
but also forcing something that like,
either you think you should want or whatever,
that doesn't seem to be filled with grace.
So there's that.
And then the other one,
the other thing I wanna say is that rules are for babies.
Take that in for just a second.
Rules are for babies.
You agree with that or disagree?
Yes or no?
Thumbs up, thumbs down.
I agree.
Rules are for babies.
They're also for rebels.
Rules are for rebels?
Yeah, because people think that because we're a rebel,
we can do what we want.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, rules are meant to keep rebels at bay.
Yeah, I get you.
And also when we get where we don't have rules,
we can do what we want,
we end up into more captive.
We end up having our captivity of our own.
So the scriptural precedent for this is very, very strong.
We understand from Romans,
we understand from the Old Testament
in terms of the law that was given.
I'm not gonna quote all the scriptures,
but I think we understand that,
my five-year-old has rules.
I don't have a five-year-old.
Actually, my twin grandbabies are two.
They're about to be three.
So they have rules and they have rules.
They have rules and they have,
can't do this, can't go there,
can't go up the stairs, can't do this.
You know why?
Primarily at that age, because it's for their own safety.
They do not know any better.
They need to know what is this and what is that.
They need to know the difference between right and wrong.
This is the purpose of the law that was given.
You needed to know.
It says in Romans, I believe,
that when the law was given, that sin increased.
We're like, oh my God, sin increased.
That wouldn't be something that God would want.
Why would God want sin to increase?
Why do you give him the law to begin with?
Because then sin increased.
Why would that, that doesn't make any sense.
No, what it means is that once the law was given,
the dark line was drawn in the sand,
then people knew what was good and what was bad.
Then the understanding, the consciousness
of what was acceptable or not, i.e. sin, was clarified.
And then it was understood, oh, I'm way over the line here.
I need to draw this back and get my life, you know,
or I'm doing really good in this area.
But again, it is for an immature, young,
Paul talks about this, I believe it's Paul.
He talks about, you know, when I was a babe,
I did the things as a child, and now I do things as an adult.
And of course, the New Testament
also gives us this understanding.
Paul says that everything is legal.
Everything is allowed.
Just not all things are expedient.
Just not all things are the best things.
And religion has a way of putting this yoke
upon good, well-meaning, Jesus-loving people
that says, you can't do this.
You have to do it a certain way,
and you have to do it in certain constructs,
and you have to follow God.
And if you don't, you're gonna be out of the way,
and you're gonna mess up your life.
And it is a burden, it is a yoke,
and it is the yoke of religion that does that.
And it keeps you in a level of immaturity.
It doesn't allow you to be freely receiving
and freely operating in the fullness
of what God has called you to be.
And we all deal with it.
Even if you didn't grow up in a religious environment,
there are certain cultural norms that say,
you can't do this.
You're from the wrong side of the tracks.
You're not the right skin color.
You're not, you know, you can't do this, blah, blah, blah.
All these shoulds, all the stuff that's put on you.
And then it's important scripturally,
I think, to also come against that,
to come against that as a mindset,
and begin to like freedom.
Have you ever wondered why you look at somebody like,
why does that guy seem so free?
Why does that guy seem,
does he just do whatever he wants to do?
Like, I don't understand that.
And the thing about it is,
is he never pays the consequences.
He's like actually doing good things, successful.
I guess that guy just seems like he can just do
whatever he wants to do.
And sometimes it's, you know, really good stuff.
And sometimes it's not so good stuff,
but he never gets in trouble.
Well, he never pays the cost for it.
Why are there people that just, they're just so free?
Because at some point in their life,
they either didn't have the yoke of like a religion
or something like that that was put on them,
or they came out of that mindset at some point,
a coming of age or whatever it is.
And I think it's very important
to be intentionally resistant against that
because that's such a thing that holds people back.
So it's almost like I get inspired by phrases
like, what would you do if you know you couldn't fail?
This is the whole point of like,
when God comes around to you, puts his arm around,
he says, you're doing great.
So all what I expected, but you're doing a great job.
That's actually funny.
And it's like, they're like sad,
but it's also very encouraging on the flip side of that.
It's like, bro, just go and do
and allow God to like help you sort it all out.
That's such a huge lesson in life.
It's like, it's easy to say, but it's hard to unravel.
So I feel like it's in a way,
I feel like it's what we all deal with,
and what we're all persevering against.
When I was just looking up the scripture,
Psalm 37, four, delight yourself in the Lord,
and he will give you the desires of your heart.
John 15, seven from the New Testament.
If you remain in me and my words remain to you,
whatever, ask whatever you wish,
and it will be done for you.
Those are really strong statements.
That has, those two statements in and of itself,
and I can't just take one scripture
and just like write your whole theology on it.
I'm just saying, these are really strong statements.
These are biblical scriptural statements
that are encouraging you to step into,
like I've said this weeks ago.
It's like, when I'm asking somebody, what do you want?
I'm not asking, do you want,
like, well, I wanna go out and sell drugs
and do illicit things and do terrible things
and, you know, bang prostitutes and go out and smoke crack.
I'm not asking people who wanna do that.
I'm asking, I'm talking to people who are good people,
who are law abiding,
who really want to do the right thing.
They have the desire to like do good things with their life.
Are they perfect?
No, but at the same time,
I'm not asking a criminal, what do you want?
I'm asking a good God-fearing person, what do you want?
And then if you could reveal that in yourself
and really embrace that and be free in that answer,
I think there's a lot of powerful breakthrough
that could be had in that.
And I think it can be a real strong motivation
to go after something and say, you know what I want?
I really want this.
So I'm gonna go after that.
I'm gonna break that down into,
what does it take for me to, you know,
monthly, weekly, daily, hour by hour to accomplish this?
Then that becomes your motivation instead of,
oh my God, if I don't do this, I might lose something.
I might do the wrong thing.
I might do the wrong, I might be in the wrong place.
I might be the, that has to be broken.
That has to be broken and challenged in your life, resisted.
Because I don't think that's the way God
lovingly wants you to be.
I think God is like, bro, come on, let's go.
Let's do this.
Holy Spirit is, the other thing is,
difference between like fear and anxiety
or the motivation of Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit doesn't convict me of you're doing it wrong
that's not good, that's not the right,
dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
That's not what Holy Spirit does.
The whole voice of Holy Spirit in my life
reinforces everything Jesus said,
reinforces every principle of heaven.
And he does it with a convincing.
Like, let me just tell you more of who you are.
Let me convince you more of what's really going on.
Let me tell you the truth about this person
that's this situation.
Let me give you some insight so that you can be more full
and free to step into the reality
of who you really, really, really are.
That is super powerful.
That is like the most loving father coming in and go,
you can do this, bro, let me help you.
Let's go, let's do this.
That is what we are connected to in the kingdom.
That's what we're connected to in brotherly fellowship.
So I don't know, that's just my thoughts on that.
I could say a lot more, but we're over the hour,
and I don't want to go too much longer.
But any reactions to that?
Another thing is when you mention fear,
when they say God-fearing, they don't mean fear of God,
like a literal fear, but do fear out of reverence.
Well, there's some kinds of fear that are healthy.
Some are fear of the consequence.
Like, for example, I know that when I drive and do my job,
I don't want to hit anything because of fear of consequence.
So that's because of boundaries.
But you can't do it out of fear.
You want to say, oh, I don't want self-consequence,
so I'm going to avoid that.
Because the fear is to discourage you
from wanting to go commit stuff.
So is that an OK fear?
Because that really helped me, I'm acting all immature.
The fear of God is not being afraid of God, Hunter.
It's the love of God.
That's it.
That's what I mean, reverence.
That's what I mean by fear of God.
There you go.
That's what I was telling you.
Anybody else?
Clapping, all right.
Well, I'll say something.
Yeah, go ahead.
So my life, guys, I messed up.
Well, I made some mistakes when I was younger.
And so I went to a lot of counseling.
And this one counselor, he was super hard on me.
Because I think you just saw a young guy.
And so long story short, you're kind of like a prisoner
in your own mind.
And you need to get out of jail out of your own head, right?
So you're trapped in your own head.
And for me, some of that mechanism
has always been using God as a key, right?
So God and my faith and stuff has always
been a part of my process continually
to free myself from when I fall back into bad thoughts,
like bad thoughts meaning lack of confidence.
Maybe you think you cannot do it.
Maybe you think you're not good enough for future things.
And so everyone here has their own little mechanisms.
But David kind of sounds like he's
like you got to free yourself from your own bondage
in your own head.
And so you could be free to move forward.
And so that's what I kind of heard.
And so we all do that differently.
But yeah, you definitely got to free yourself.
Once you're free, man, sky's the limit.
You don't have to do anything.
But yeah, so if you could use God
and maybe try to help him free you from your own walls
or cages or bars, get out of jail, man.
Sucks in there.
Hate it.
I hate it in there.
I'm never going back.
Never going back.
Yep.
I hate to quote something secular,
but if anyone has ever played the video game Assassin's
Creed, nothing is true.
Everything is permitted.
Even though you get freed from your jail,
almost like Plato's Allegory of the Cave, what Abram said,
the sky's the limit, is like, I'm free out here.
But now there's like all this stuff
in the world that will bring me right back
into that same mental prison of jail.
And so it's kind of like how they
talk about how the devil is like a hungry lion that's
stalking you.
So it's almost like a double-edged sword
of not operating in fear of things,
but just being cognizant of like, hey,
you know, pretty sure the Bible's pretty
clear about sexual immorality.
Yeah, I don't have to be afraid of these people
or these women out in the world, especially some of them
that dress not modestly.
But at the same time, I'm also going
to make sure not to walk along that cliff's edge.
And to, and like for me especially,
because of my past, flee in the face of anything
that even resembles it.
Because I'm sure we all have pasts, and I love.
A heck of a past.
That's all for me, Dave.
Oh, I was just like, okay, yeah.
That's good.
You guys ever seen that cartoon
where somebody's standing behind a wall with bars
and he's looking out through the bars
but there's no walls behind them or on the side of them.
It's just the ones that are right in front of them.
Yeah, and he thinks he can't go anywhere, so.
No, seriously though,
it's like when you come out of your cave though,
it can be very intimidating
because you'd be like, oh, wait a minute.
Now that is sort of another thing that kind of comes out
of this complete a whole nother discussion
but now the weight of everything
in terms of like the responsibility of like,
oh, wait a minute, you mean I can go out of here?
Some people retreat back into their cave
just as soon as they get out of it
because they're like,
hey, it was a lot more comfortable in the cave.
I was a lot more used to,
I was a lot more secure,
it was a lot more like I didn't have to like rely on,
you know, myself and everything.
So it can be intimidating coming out of that
but at the same time, you know, we have to move forward.
Yeah, there's this thing that in my head always tells me,
it's kind of like, I have to do this,
I have to move forward,
I have to face my fears if you will
because if I don't, I'm not gonna grow, you know?
I'm not gonna, I'm not going to,
I'm not gonna go and accomplish
and be the things that I feel like I want to be, you know?
I feel like I want what I feel like I aspire to be,
I want those things to be true.
In other words, I don't want to aspire to be something
and then just like be it in name
or in sort of like position only.
I want to actually be credible in that.
And so in other words, for me to be able to have that,
I have to go do the tasks, I have to do the assignment,
I have to get it, you know, I have to be legitimate, you know?
I had a thought the other day that was really not good.
It was a perverse thought,
it was just walking through the store
and I just had this sort of like scenario
go through my head and I had the choice.
I was just like, I could entertain that scenario
or I could like cut it off.
And so I didn't feel like in the past,
just cutting it off, like saying, no, that's not good,
that's bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It doesn't work for me.
Because at some point I get to the point where I don't care.
I don't care if it's not good.
I just, you know, whatever feels good, right?
And that to me doesn't work.
What works for me is if I have a conversation with God
to call it out.
I'm walking and I'm literally talking to myself
while I'm going through the store by myself,
just doing grocery shopping.
And I'm like, Lord, seriously?
I'm like, why this thought?
Where's this coming from?
Like, what is around me?
And I was like, seriously, I need help with this.
Like, you have to get me out of this
or you have to get this out of my head
or you have to like help me understand
how long is this gonna be?
How long am I gonna contend with this?
You know what I'm saying?
And what if I am contending with it
for just the rest of my life?
Does that mean I'm not good?
Does that mean I'm not growing?
No, it just means I'm continually probably being tempted.
Jesus was tempted.
Jesus was perfect.
That doesn't resonate for some people
because, well, he was tempted.
But do you understand that temptation is not the deed,
right?
You understand that temptation is not the act.
You understand that temptation is not the, you know,
drawing on and feeding on coming down into your heart.
You understand that, right?
So that's kind of where you're like drawing the line
if you wanna do it that way.
But hallelujah to that, David.
That actually feels very invigorating
to hear the conversations with God in the midst of things.
I mean, I-
Yeah, because the thing about it is I can't,
you have to do that because I can't regulate myself.
I mean, I can try, but eventually I'm just gonna fail.
Especially in things that are like the things
that are like whatever my thing is,
whatever your thing is.
Yeah, my paradigm.
Yeah, whatever my paradigm.
Like smoking a cigarette, going out and doing drugs
and just drinking myself as a stupor, not a big deal.
Doesn't bother me a bit.
Can I have a drink of beer?
Yeah.
Can I drink two beers?
Yeah, not a big deal.
That has no bearing on me.
Other things, yeah.
It's just like, yeah, man, that's like a,
I'm gonna struggle with that.
What's that gonna be like?
So I just started calling it out.
And this is years ago, I was just like,
Lord, I just, I'm not gonna try to regulate myself anymore.
I'm just not gonna try to police myself.
This is ridiculous.
I'm gonna start calling it out.
You know, so I just have a conversation with the father.
I said, Lord, God, seriously.
Like me, like is my dad.
Dad, come on.
You know, I need an answer here.
I need a help.
I need a way out.
What's gonna happen?
And that works way better than,
and I don't beat myself up for like,
well, where did that thought come from?
My God, that was horrible.
That like, that's just like wicked.
I don't be, I'm like,
cause it just comes from without.
It comes from a source of, that's not inside me.
It's trying to connect to me, but it's not me.
It's not who I am.
I don't know if that helps.
Totally does, man.
Like only after starting, getting back into the word,
it's just kind of easier to pick up on God's voice.
Like I've had conversations with him in the past
and it's more like, kind of like sad to say
far and few between in the last three or four years.
And is it formal?
Is it formal?
Yeah, like a formality to it.
Like, oh, this is me, lowly, da, da, da, coming down.
No, no, no.
Is that formal?
Like a suit and tie or what?
Some people formalize the relationship
or some people always put it in the context of like,
the bad puppy dog that bays the tail between your back.
No, not at all.
He's just kind of like a warm embrace.
Good.
Kind of like how my grandfather used to hug me
and hold me by the hand and like build me up type of feeling
and it's actually reminds me of a,
like not to put down Catholics,
cause I know that that came up recently in like some
whatever path session or a single spotlight thing
where somebody was talking in the chat.
But like I grew up Catholic and my mom was a Catholic.
And when I became just a born again, Christian,
spirit filled, she talked to me about how
she got to tour Europe and she got to experience
the cloth of Turin,
you know, the shroud that encapsulated Christ.
And she was expecting to feel all of this anger,
rage, wrath, just all the horribleness of, you know,
the world because it was basically the destruction
of like the perfect human being.
And she's like, and you know what I felt?
I'm like, yeah, love.
And she's like, how'd you know that?
It's interesting.
Yeah.
And it's that type of feeling.
It's more of those, like it's great when,
you know, it's kind of like detecting furniture
in the dark with your shins
in the sense of a spiritual battle.
Like it's great when I'm, it's great.
Yeah. Right.
It's great when I'm prepared
and I've like got my defenses up.
Like I'm at home, I'm going through like some dating thing.
And it's like some profile of like,
I just don't understand why I'm single, blah, blah, blah.
And then I'm like, oh, this seems like, all right.
And I feel that Holy spirit nudge of like, nah.
And I'm like, huh?
And I scroll down the page and it's like,
by the way, homosexuality is not a sin.
Transgender is not a sin.
I'm like, thank you, Holy spirit.
Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. But it's, but it's, it's different when it's like
how you said, Dave, when I'm out in the world
and I'm like, especially in Vegas of all places,
like that's why for the most part, I don't go to the strip.
I don't do anything down there.
Cause it's just like a lot of,
well, for one, it's overwhelming, but two,
it's just like a lot of people come here
to not be good Christians, you know, but yeah.
But it's, but it's, but it's like that,
you telling me that you're having a conversation
with God out in public is like, man,
that actually ties into like how God's talking to me
about practicing, speaking things out loud.
So like, in addition to how I've been reading my Bible
and reading this 31 days of praying for my future wife book,
out loud, I've been on my way up singing worship music
and got, oh, not in trouble, but just an awkward moment
where I just, I jumped onto Supernatural Saturday,
turned off.
my audio logged in before I started hiking so I didn't lose
the signal, put in my AirPods to listen to music and then started
singing. When I put in my AirPods, it turned my audio back
on on the zoom call. I got and thankfully, I wasn't like
cussing or nothing on the way up. But I definitely sounded
like probably like a dying dog moving uphill. Like even though
I'm in shape, I'm still like, Oh, man, I hate cardio. You
know, and I got to the top pulled out my phone. I'm like,
Oh, my God, my audio is on. And there's like 130 people on this
call already. And I just hear Thank you for the serenade. I'm
like, I feel awkward.
But yeah, it's a thank you. Thanks for your input tonight.
Thanks. Good conversation. We'll close it off here for now our
way over but love y'all. God bless y'all. Have a great, great
week. Pray for us. We're traveling a little bit this week
and and I wanted to hit this I made this comment. I'll put that
in the comments there. Do not be motivated by fear. Rules are for
babies. Grace, peace and grace comes back to what you want
because God wants to fulfill the desires of your heart. So God
bless y'all. Have a great, great week. See you soon.