what is the efficacious nature of God's Word?
Like, what are the effects of it that I need?
Yeah.
Because we eat good food
because it has an efficacious nature to strengthen us.
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Welcome back to the Steve Holt Podcast.
I'm Ryan Steyer, the Executive Pastor at The Road.
I'm here with Dr. Steve Holt,
and we are discussing the new book, Breakthrough Courage,
and we're gonna be in habit number five today,
Eat the Book.
What an interesting title.
I just have to open with a quote here
as we get into habit number five,
and this is coming from UC Davis,
Center of Mind and Brain Studies.
Meditation reduces stress.
An immediate, long-proven benefit of meditation
is reduced stress and a decreased level of cortisol
in our brains and bodies.
So as we start to get into this,
it was landing on me that, you know,
as card-carrying Christians, we hear every week
that we should be reading the Word of God.
But now in this one,
you're unpacking this idea of eating the book.
Man, unpack that for us.
Well, there's just so much information now
about the power of meditation,
the power of prayer,
the power of deep thinking for actually healing your brain,
to release the serotonin that our brain needs,
to release calming chemicals into our whole body
through how we focus our mind.
It's very interesting that the studies have shown
that whether you close your eyes
and even imagine you're at a river
or you're under a tree somewhere
and you're just trying to calm yourself,
or you're actually there by a river
or looking at a beautiful mountain,
brain doesn't know the difference.
Doesn't know whether you're really there
or whether you have programmed your mind
to think like you're there.
So isn't that crazy?
So that's the power of meditation.
So meditation, you can actually enter into a tranquil world.
And I'm advocating through scripture,
using scripture mainly.
Meditating on truth even convinces the cells of your body
that they should calm down, that they should rest.
And it has benefits that just are more
than just that you feel calm.
It's actually healing to your bones.
And the scriptures talk about that.
We meditate, it's cleansing and healing to our bones.
And so the power of meditation,
the idea of eating the book is from Jeremiah,
it's from Isaiah, it's in the book of Revelation to John.
So it's all over the place how important that is.
So I chose that phrase because of the word haggah,
which is the word for meditate,
which means actually literally doesn't mean
to get in a lotus position and hum
with your palms up in the air.
It's actually more like gnaw, like gnawing something.
So Isaiah's lion where he talks about a lion growling
over a bone is the image actually of meditation.
It's gnawing on something.
It's thinking about something deeply.
As a gymnast, I would go through my routines
on the bus going to the meet or sitting on the mat,
warming up, stretching before a big meet.
I would go through, I'd close my eyes
and I would just say, Lord, give me,
you know, a perfect routine in my mind.
And I would meditate on that and I would see that.
And even then they call it psycho cybernetics back then.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
The idea of you, you might say,
oh, he's psyching himself up.
Well, there's something to that.
People saying, oh, you're getting psyched up.
Well, you are.
It's called psycho cybernetics.
And it's the idea that your brain has so much power
that it can tell your body to react
and respond a certain way.
Well, now we're throwing scripture on it.
We're throwing the truth of scripture on it.
Think about the power of that.
So you have the layer of the way God
created our brain to work.
Then you have a layer of the Holy Spirit.
Then you have a layer of the word of God.
If we can bring all that together,
it's one of the most important habits that we can develop.
See that.
And culture, it's funny, even though probably somewhere in the background of the narrative
of a culture of our day, maybe saying slow down, self-care, whatever that means,
whatever we define it to mean for ourselves, there's so much contradictory noise and static
around the movement and pace of our culture, specifically in the Western hemisphere.
We're just running and gunning. We live on caffeine, you know, we're stressed out,
we're burned out, we're maxed out. And so this concept is foreign, I would think,
to a majority of Americans where we, what the Eastern philosophy is, don't just do something,
stand there, versus like we all grew up, don't just stand there, do something, you know?
So this really is a benefit as to the DNA of kingdom of God and how he designed us to slow,
to pause and develop the habit of meditation. And then we, what I hear you saying is that
through scripture, we 5X the benefits when we meditate on the word of God.
Yeah. And we see Jesus doing it. So Jesus, in the gospel of Luke is probably the best gospel
on this, but you see Luke as a physician, obviously looking at Jesus and recounting
what he thought were the high points of his ministry in his gospel. And he, more than any
of the other writers, talks about Jesus often going away to the desert, often being alone,
often being in prayer. So it's like almost every other chapter you see Jesus by himself
spending time in prayer. So Luke captured it, Jesus lived it. And when we start in Genesis
and work our way all the way through the Old Testament, we see the saints of old,
David probably being the best at articulating it in writing about meditation in the Psalms.
Oh yeah. And it's just all over the place. And this is a really important practice,
you know, and it's really hard for American Christians, super hard for West, I shouldn't
say American, I think Western Christians in general struggle with this. And having grown up,
so many years in Asia myself, Asians understand meditation better. I wouldn't say they're great
at it, especially in the modern age. But if you look at the code of the Bushido,
the Bushido code, which would be the samurai code in Japan, meditation is one of their high virtues.
There's this intrinsic value that our humanity connects with because we can feel it when we
slow down, we get the medicine from that and learning to do that. And it's funny that even
some other religions are modeling it better than Christianity today, but we do see that.
I love that example of Christ pulling away to restore, to refresh, modeling it for us,
how to do it. Well, that's so good. So Habit 5 lays out... Habit 5 is the act of getting the book,
the Bible, the word of God into our system. And so there's something about, something that's
unlocked through one of the kingdom of God's mysteries in us and our DNA, that this is
nourishing, reading his word, instruction, daily application, daily meditation. We would say PB&J,
prayer Bible journal at the road, right? And really trying to foster a culture of discipline
to be in your word daily and practice that. You unpack it because the scriptures do talk
about eating God's word, the scrolls and eating the scrolls. But we don't, I don't know, growing
up, I didn't even think of it that way. It was always just like, are you reading the Bible today?
Is it just reading? And so it became another text to just read versus extracting the nourishment
from it. And really this pause of meditation on something that you read and you go back over it
and you simmer with it, you sit with it and you let it bring healing, understanding, wisdom. It's
bringing light, kingdom of God light to your situation. What would you say where in the
process and journey, and we talked a little bit about the catalyst to write the book, post COVID
coming out of it, people either got more drawn into screen time in their home front because they
weren't having to commute to and from work. They're in the home, home bound, building good
and bad habits at the house, probably. But I'm thinking for you, was this, did this post COVID
kind of experiencing some lockdown and whatnot? Was there another level up in you and your walk
and kind of discovering this eating the book habit? I mean, you've been in ministry a long
time, brother. So just where you've seen yourself continue to grow in this discipline of meditation.
Well, I think the metabolizing of the word of God into our system takes time and it takes quite
it. You've got to have quiet. And that's just not the formula for success today. Everybody
wants you busy, busy, busy and going, going, going. And the ancient way, the ancient way
of God is us getting to know him and love him and love our neighbors, ourself. That
all is, that is all connection, right? So eating, eating the word, gnawing on the word
in our lives is really about metabolizing the truth of something that's before us on
that page through a personal, vital relationship with God. It's bringing God down. It's bringing
God out of the pages of scripture and moving into more of a dialogue, I think, with the Lord.
You know, the Lord is my shepherd. He's Lord. He's not just Savior, but he's Lord. Thank you
for being my Lord. You know, the Lord is. So he's not silent. He's here. He's speaking. The
Lord is. So he's, he's right here with us right now, right here in the studio. The Lord is. My,
the Lord is my shepherd. And, and so he's, he's shepherding me. I'm his sheep. He's my shepherd.
Yeah. He's my Lord. He is, he's a self existent one. He, he doesn't need me to acknowledge him
to exist. He's, he's self existent. He's also, he's also objective truth. So he's outside of
my subjective experience. So whether I'm experiencing his presence or not, the Lord is
here. So he's still there. He's right there. And so the Lord is my shepherd. Just an example here.
All I'm doing is giving an example is powerful in setting our hearts and our minds toward a kingdom
of God revelation of his presence right here. That's just been so helpful to me. That just,
it really helped me during my dark, in my darkest times. And even today, Liz, my wife, Liz is better.
She's actually better at this than me. She, she, man, she can't wait to get out of bed and go spend
time with the Lord every morning almost. And I'm like, I am not that way. I get up in the morning
and I'm like, I'm going to pump iron. Okay. So that's what I'm going to do. And I wish I was
more spiritual, but I'm not. And so I go in there and I'll lift, you know, and drink a lot of water.
Sure. And then somewhere in there, I start thinking, okay, I want to meet with God now.
I wish I could just say that that wasn't true. I think that isn't true for Liz. I think Liz wakes
up and she's pretty excited about the Lord every day. And she's definitely more spiritually in tune
than I am, but I'm trying to get there, man. You know, I'm trying to get there. I'm working toward
that. I mean, one, thanks for just the posture of humility and that, and just being honest about
that because I think we've all felt that. And it's funny because we see people who do in some ways
model things better than us in the areas that we want to grow in. Oftentimes it's our spouses,
and hopefully we're giving them things as well, you know, and there is a give and take in that
arena. You know, the other thing that we're talking about in eating and digesting, metabolizing the
book, you have, you've touched on it in meditation, but the equal part of that is the solitude. It's
the stealing away and, and being alone with God and how much of a distraction that the culture's
again, bringing at us in that. So there's gotta be some disciplines. And, you know,
on a weekly basis in my house, we're always challenging each other with kind of what's your
screen time for the week. And we're always trying to see who's got maybe the lower screen time hours
for the week. And did you beat last week's number? Well, so instead of making it a competition
between each other, now it's more like, how did you do for your own personal goals, you know,
to steal away? And are you less hours this week than you were last? And if you are,
then how did you use that time? Because use your powers for good. Use your time for good.
You know, how we're using our time and just finding solitude in such a noisy world that
we live in right now. Yeah. It's really hard. Yeah. I mean, that's a habit in itself.
It really is a habit. Like even today, so I get up and I work out and I had,
this is so bad. This is like.
Confession City and I'm the mayor, right, but so this morning I was having a great
time with the Lord. Hebrews 4.12. I'm in Hebrews 4.12. I'm meditating on that and
then and it's my phone and I don't normally bring it in. Normally I leave it
in the bathroom like it's on the other side of the house, but anyway I
didn't this time. So there you go. So then I was ruined. Oh. And not in a good way.
Sure. We sometimes say we're ruined around here. Yeah. And we think, oh I'm ruined for
God. No, I was ruined for that PB&J and it was just hard. It was hard for me to
get back into it. I think for any of us it's okay to have bad days. It's okay to
not have great days and I just think it's normal for that to happen to any
of us. Well. And so we're growing and learning together on all this stuff.
That's huge. I mean, one, identifying the distractors and being intentional to
place them elsewhere. I mean, there's just, when the phone rings or you hear the buzz
of the text notification, we're conditioned. Yeah. We're just conditioned to
want to respond and it is a quick, it just starkly pulls us out of where we're
at. Yeah. You can be in the most tender place with Lord. I mean, I'm raising my
hand. I'm relating to that and you're like, dang it, you know, and you get frustrated
with that. I think you've gotten a lot, a lot more mature in this area than when I
first met you. It seems like with some of the crises you've been through with
Mandy, some of the stuff that you guys have navigated, don't you have even
something you do on your phone to remind you of stuff? I mean, I think that's super
cool. I do joke about that. I don't do that. But you do that. I do. I use the
powers of the phone for good and not evil. I guess I joke about that as like a
thing. So yeah, setting reminders and I try and do it twice a day because of the,
right, the value of what was discovered in those crisis times where the
nourishment for the day, I mean, you're desperate for getting alone with God
because of the truth that he's going to speak to you about who you are, reaffirm
your identity and give you the meat, give you the manna for the day, right? That we
so desperately need. And I just, it's become a craving. And I noticed when I'm
out of my rhythms or out of my habits from that, but yeah, it was like 11 o'clock
am timer and then a 3pm. So I'm kind of getting that mid morning refreshment. And
then after the long part of the day, I have a 3pm timer go off and it's just a
reminder to pause. And it's a meditation. It's actually doing that very thing.
Really? Yeah, it is. And so what is your meditation that you do? So there's a
meditation that's out there. And I'd have to look at my phone. I normally remember,
I can't believe I can't remember it, but it's, it's a pause. And basically it's a
reading of scripture, just what we're talking about here. And the guy takes you
through it. There's a chill background. He takes you through a process of just
relaxing about 15 minutes, center yourself, calm your vitals, kind of
disconnect from the busy, and then goes through a reading of scripture and then
starts to just really dissect and literally gnaw on every kind of angle of
that piece of God's word. And then he'll bring in other translations of the same
scripture, just to give a different perspective. And then he'll pause and
give you, the listener, an opportunity to, it's called Encounter. There we go.
Thank you. It's in the Encounter app. And they have a meditation that goes out
daily, but then he'll ask the listener, give space, give it quiet and say, what
are you connecting with? What in this, or is your soul responding to? And you get
into a rhythm, right? And then the first time I did, I'm like, what am I connecting
to? And then you get in that habit and you're like, oh man, I like, I felt my
soul kind of like, you know, get excited about that word or that phrase. That's
really good. And you hang on that, right? Yeah. So it's super fun. And it's
addictive. Well, I just think what you're doing is great. That's better than
anything I'm doing. Mine's been more in the morning. Yeah. And then when I get
into bed at night, I usually try to, I'm reading so many books, you know, I've
got a stack of them over there, maybe four or five. Cause I go to bed early.
Like I get into bed probably at eight and then I probably, it lights out by
nine, 915 right in there. So probably that last 15 minutes, then I try to open
the word and spend time in the word there. I want to get in a rhythm. We got
noonday fire. So we got noonday prayer that happens on Wednesday, but I would
love to get in a three, three times a day, but I'm not there yet. I'd say it's
only two times a day. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, that's excellent, but just
the value of experiencing that. I mean, you're talking about it. I felt it
personally eating the book habit five. It's just, it's huge. You know, in here
you're referencing the story of Joshua. We know it opens up kind of the command
kind of calling out the feel fear for spirit. Do not be afraid, be strong, be
courageous.
Tucked in the middle of that, you know, in verse eight, and you write it down here, God's unpacking
to him, this is how you become strong and courageous. This is how you're going to renew
your mind and that all the things I'm calling you to do, if you'll sit, and I think it says
meditate day and night, right? It does. So it's like calling him back. That's right. We spend
ourselves in our day, bring refreshment in the evening too. That's right. And so there's value.
I used to say to our kids, create bookends in your day with time with God, open your day with
him and close it with him. Cause there's nothing that's going to happen on your phone. That's
going to make you sleep better or rest better than the word of God. Even if that's just listening to
a prayer at night. So yeah, it's really good. It seems like you're, you're trying to do that.
You're doing that with this app. You're doing this with probably PB and J fantastic. I just
think that's super not perfect. I'm not a hundred percent. I'm not seven, seven days out of seven,
but I'm doing it more than I don't. Yeah. And it's been helpful. Well, it is so healthy to do that.
I know that when I get anxious, when I find myself getting anxious and nervous about stuff,
it's usually because I haven't been spending enough time just slowing down and calming my
mind. I'm not taking care of my soul. My soul care is suffering because I'm too busy. I'm just
too busy, man. And pastoring is, is crazy. You're always with people. I was telling Liz the other
day, I'm never alone, except for when I choose to be alone. Everywhere I go, I'm with people.
Everywhere I go, people are asking questions. Everywhere I go, I'm problem solving. And you
know what? I'll be honest. I love it. I love it 80% of the time. And so I think that there,
there's a point in our lives where if you don't set aside the time, somebody's going to come in
and grab it and they're going to steal it from you. It's, um, that is so, it's so true. And I
think we just, I think that's worth just even pausing here for a minute on, because if there's
one thing we all, even our listeners, audience, our camera team, you, when we check in with people,
they check in with us. We check in with them. Hey, how's it going? How you been? Oh man. Good.
Just it's a busy season. And next thing you know, it's like the whole, all the seasons are busy.
Everybody says it's busy season and oh man, I'm looking forward to a slower pace next year,
next time, next season, whatever that is. But there's always this next thing. And there's
such a value for trying to create borders in your life for this solitude that is meant to
nourish us that we have to have. I mean, yeah, you're a people person. I'm a people person. We
get fed that way, but man, there comes a time in the week. And I know you've shared this too,
where you're just like, man, I need to retreat. I need to recharge and a little bit of solitude or
isolation. Um, and, and the opposite is, is, is bad too. So we can be overworked and over-peopled,
um, and then under solitude or isolated. Well, we're not doing soul care, right? What we're
doing is we're doing staff care. Okay. Staff care. We've got a big staff team here,
but we need salt. We need a personal soul care too. And that's where it's not just about getting
things done. It's also about taking care of your heart. It's huge. I didn't even realize probably
until maybe the last couple of years, well into my mid forties. And I'm just thinking,
I wasn't even being honest with myself about that need. I'm thinking I'm a commodity. I'm,
I can't be exhausted this way. And I need to be available to everybody, my family, you know,
church staff, and just always on call. Um, and the burn, that's where the burnout happens.
I think so. So many people get that. Oh, I think that's where you have all these
controversies now with pastors and leaders where they've gotten into sexual sin,
they're involved in sexual sin, they're involved in, uh, you know, some kind of weird entertainment
that they're doing. It's because they're burned out. They're not taking care of their soul.
So good. So true. And so because of that, they've gotten, they've gotten themselves in trouble.
I'm meeting with a pastor and his wife, you know, right after we're done here.
And, um, I bet you your bottom dollar because they're church planters that one of the biggest
questions they're going to have for me is how do you, how do you maintain some balance between
family life, personal life and ministry life? Because that's, that's such a big struggle for
the 21st century Christian and especially for the 21st century pastor. I mean, look at dogs,
dogs, get it. I mean, dogs really do get it. I've got two dogs and they're really well-trained
hunting dogs. Okay. And here's what I dig about dogs. It's what I dig about dogs. Dogs like are
there.
to just completely give your life pleasure and joy.
They are wagging their tail.
They're so excited when you're around,
even if you had to whack them on the nose an hour ago.
They're like, they just forgive.
Short memory.
I think they forget,
but whether they forgive or forget, I don't know.
But all I know is that when they get that bone,
they know there's something in that bone
that's good for them by the instinct God put within them.
And they just go over by the fireplace
and they just gnaw on the bone and they're just fine.
And we need to see the word of God as God's bone to us
to metabolize into our system for our own health
and our own well-being.
For sure.
And I said this, I think in a meeting we were in,
but I have to just, I think it's worth repeating here
that I so appreciated your analogy in that
and the times that I've heard you share it
because now my dog gives me convictions on two fronts.
I see her chewing her bone and I'm going,
I'm not chewing the word.
And then I'll see her sabbathing.
I mean, the other thing,
and I thought that's where you were headed,
is that how well dogs prioritize rest,
if they're not chewing or running.
They sleep like 80% of the time.
I know.
And I'm going, okay, there's a balance to be found,
but man, I walk in a room and I see my dog relaxed
and I'm just busy about my pace, my list,
and I'm going, and I'm jealous.
I'm looking at her, I'm like,
how do you have time to do this?
But she does.
She makes time to do it.
And wag her little tail.
And so it's twofold.
And then I'm reminded of the 10 commandments
and not to be overly religious
because I know this gets abused and misinterpreted,
but just that the idea of making the sabbath holy,
keeping it holy, not as a law to be bound by,
but to actually refresh us and just making the sabbath holy.
And what was the sabbath?
It's like manna stopped coming.
You collected it on the Saturday for the Sunday.
So you didn't even have to, and how much work was that?
It's like you had to go cultivate.
You just walked out and you caught your food.
But even then, Sunday comes
and you just eat what you collected Saturday.
You didn't have to get out of your bed
if you didn't want to.
So God so prioritizes in our DNA
and the makeup of us that deep need.
I mean, I've grown up in the pace of American culture,
so have you, and we just adjust and we morph into it,
but just developing that habit to pull away.
Yeah, I agree.
If we can just encourage each other, right?
The BSAs in each other.
I had a staff guy in my office last week
and I was asking him
because we get the quarterly days with the Lord.
And I said, dude, how many days with the Lord
did you take last year if you had four?
He goes, I didn't take one.
I said, okay, so let's make this year different.
So he's like, this week he was going
on his day with the Lord.
As Q1's ending up, it's like ending, so it's huge.
You know, we've got the cabin too up there available
for the pastors and everything.
And I mean, who ever uses it?
You use it, a couple others use it, and that's it.
So people just, I mean, they just go, go, go.
And I'm glad, I mean, I'm glad that we've hired
really high caliber leaders who go for it.
But I just think we've gotta come and encourage them
to take time to build up their own spirit
and make sure that they're slowing down enough
to find joy in their relationship with God,
not just doing ministry.
Ministry can become such an idol.
It's easy to worship at the altar of ministry
instead of the Lord in our lives.
I'm thinking about my times in the scripture,
and there's days where it's fast food Bible,
because it's on the go, because I'm on the go.
Chick-fil-A.
Totally.
Chick-fil-A Bible.
Chick-fil-A Bible, man.
And it's drive through time.
Chick-fil-A Jesus.
And I just, I'm check marking the box
to be a good boy today.
I'm like, yep, I got my scripture in,
but it was fast food, man.
I didn't sit and I didn't like meditate on it, with it.
And those days are lean.
So here's a question for you.
So how much fast food are you eating these days, bro?
Well, that's a good question.
Because, you know, that's the thing.
That's another thing.
Because you start getting all those chemicals
in your system, that'll,
I mean, I'm being facetiously serious.
Yeah, it's fair.
Yeah, and I know for me that sometimes
that hinders my time in the Word
because I've got a headache.
Or because I've got indigestion.
Or I'm not feeling good
because I've been eating crappy food.
And it's just easy to do.
For sure, it's convenient, it's easy.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, personally, just less than.
I mean, you and I have talked about alcohol, right?
So you're hardly drinking any alcohol these days.
Yeah, I don't drink hardly any alcohol anymore. Yeah. And largely, I think, for you and I is because we've, we've been thinking about our health.
Totally. Just there's no positive thing that comes positive for alcohol. Yeah, used to hear like the red, the red wine thing is probably a red wine company. So one who put that out that idea.
Totally. Yeah. There's no, I mean, whether that helps a little bit of digestion, either way, the consumption of the quantity probably well exceeds the benefits of what people should be taking it in.
And the thing about it is that how many people we know, even here at the road, they're alcoholics. I mean, they are, and they're in wholehearted men, some are on leadership, some are on leadership with us, that they're, they're going to be borderline alcoholics if they're not careful because they're drinking way too much.
That's all that comes into play. And I'll just say yes, on the alcohol. Yeah, we both talked about how just limiting that significantly. Yeah. And then the fast food thing. I mean, yeah, it's convenient, but you know, I try to
Well, you get an appetite for it. You can that's the hardest thing. Yes. Yeah. Oh, man, I would love to get you know, zesty Thai today or I really like to get a Big Mac today or whatever it is. I'll tell you what, man, I can tell you from experience, you can be free from that. And then you never think about it anymore. So I mean, I think about is like I did today in there in the kitchen. I had an apple. Yeah, you know, so it's good. You retrain, you kind of retrain your brain. And I think eating,
eating the book is retraining your mind to get excited about the book. Because that's what I was doing this morning, I was looking at Hebrews 412, that the Word of God is living and active and sharper than any two edged sword, that it's there to judge the thoughts and intentions of your heart. Right. And then it cuts between soul and spirit.
So good.
So to get excited about it, again, that's why I did that. That's why I read like five passages. And I actually wrote it in the, in the front of my, my study Bible, some of these passages. And that's what I was thinking about was, what is the efficacious nature of God's Word? Like, what are the effects of it that I need? Yeah, because we eat good food, because it has an effect on us.
It has an efficacious nature to strengthen us.
Yeah, you know, energy, focus, all the Word of God that way, I think.
Yeah, for the spiritual, for the spiritual digestion system. And even the and even the physiological, all the combination, the way it all comes together. It's awesome. As we're getting close here to wrapping up, I just want to give kind of the six practices of meditation. And this is in the book and the text for our audience.
So if you haven't had a chance to pick up this book yet, Breakthrough Courage, a link to getting it in the description of the video will follow. And I like how you kind of walk us through, here's the, if you're in the supermarket and you have your shopping list on how to get to meditation, step one, find a quiet place. Step two, kind of open your word and choose a passage of scripture.
Starting maybe even in Psalm 23 would be a great place to start. Step three, read the first line and then pause. The Lord is my shepherd. You were modeling that at the beginning. That's super good. And then step four, you are in his presence, acknowledging that God is there with you in that moment.
Step five, in this peaceful state, meditate on a word or phrase. And then step six is this, you know, concept of writing it in your journal, the PB and J, the prayer Bible journal, the J part, write it in your journal, what God is saying. And then, you know, I'm just a big advocate of, you know, if it's not written down, it doesn't exist. And sometimes I've been, I've been disappointed where I got a word or I got revelation.
And I didn't take the time. I didn't take the time to write it down. And then it's been lost, you know, and I missed it. And I'm like, oh man, just the value of writing it down, brother. So thank you.
Thank you, Ryan.
Thanks for this habit. And just as they continue to build us and grow us, man, it's going to be a good year. It's exciting.
It's going to be great.
Thank you guys for tuning in and we will see you next time for habit number six.