Hey. How are you? I'm doing good. How are you? Good. Good. Where are you headed? I'm
headed to Greensboro, North Carolina, and I'm actually, sorry, let me put this, oh,
I think I have to type it in. I got a new address. I'm going to, just a second. Well,
I don't know. Now, if I want to go there first. No, I don't. Sorry. I thought I had a new
address that I needed to go to instead of the one I was calling to, but we'll just stick
with this one. So, sorry about that. That's okay. That's it. Such an interesting day today.
I just got off the call with one client. Now, I'm on a demo with you. I will, as soon as
I get off with you, I will check into my hotel, leave my little dog there, then go to a pastor
friend's house. They're making supper for me, but before we eat supper, they're going
to set me up someplace in their house from which I'm going to do the, I'm in Natalie's,
I'm a guest trainer at Natalie's workshop tonight. You know, Natalie, the member of
the rest intensive. So, anyway, and then after I get off that workshop, which I don't know
if that's going to end at 6.30 or 7, then we're going to eat. It's a wild day. So, how
are you? I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good weekend. I'm feeling good. Yeah. Good. Good.
So, what's going on? Well, I wanted to talk to you more about what we started talking
about on the Thursday night call about, like, how do, you know how you were talking about
using, like, the open-ended questions and empowering them to enroll themselves and everything.
I've really been working on my money mindset and trying to, like, I'm really struggling,
like, I have been struggling with how to charge, you know, a certain monthly amount that would
be, you know, totally worth it for what they get, but I want to serve everybody. So, I'm
having a hard time not almost going the route you're going, where I'm like, just pay what
you can, you know. Here's the minimum, but pay what you can. And I love that idea, but
at the same time, I know it's not super, I don't know, I think that kind of messes with
my head a bit, because I see you doing it that way. And I think, am I, I'm struggling
between I should charge money, because, you know, that's part of me getting paid for the
business, and separating that out from my ministry, versus making my business my ministry
and just saying, you know what, people can pay whatever they want, because then, I don't
know, then they can afford it, and then they get what they need to get. So, I'm really,
I think I'm struggling with that, because I almost look at you as being able to do it
from this place of rest, this place of God's my protection and my provision, and then I
look at me, and I'm like, is my only way of, and you're going to say no, but I'm like,
or maybe is the best way of living in that space of believing God for my protection and
provision, saying that people can pay whatever they want. And if I'm asking for, you know,
hundreds of dollars a month for the program, am I focusing too much on money? Am I worshipping
money? Or, like, I'm really kind of struggling with that.
Yeah, well, yeah, that makes sense. And you always ask really big questions, a lot of
really insightful ones. I mean, ones that are, like, at the root of things. So, in other
words, that you boldly face them, and boldly face them for yourself, and then ask them.
And then other people are just too afraid to go there, so they don't even articulate
it for themselves, let alone actually voice it to someone else. So, first of all, know
that this is not something that I used to train people how to do, you know, the way
that I used to, my price structure. And my business coach, my business coach did not
coach me into doing what it is that I'm doing. She was coaching me.
to charge very high tickets, which I did for a while, and I got people in it.
But there was something that wasn't quite settling with me, and it was because God had something different for me.
In other words, it's all Spirit-led. So, what is it? Remember what Paul says.
He says, everything is permissible, but not everything is ratified. In other words, it's all about the Source.
It doesn't matter what we do, what matters is where it is that we're coming at it from.
Do we feel that we're in fear, and that's why we're making the decision?
Or do we understand, not just understand, but we've actually positioned our heart, our intention,
we've risked our very lives, like internally, emotionally, our souls,
we've risked our very essence to do this, but we are on God, and believe that He's going to protect and provide for us,
and then we make our decisions from that place.
So, people can make the exact same decision, but be coming at it from two different places.
So, if God wants you to do what it is that you're doing, like say, for instance, charge $4,000, like I used to.
Charge $4,000, but you're coming at it from the tree, feeling like, oh my goodness, I'm scared, I feel like I need $4,000.
Well, then you believe that $4,000 or that charging money is your source, and that's how you're going to be provided for,
then that's operating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Not charging $4,000, it's all a heart issue, it's all the attitude.
As opposed to God's being like, no, I really did want you to charge $4,000, but I want you to do it out of relationship,
knowing that I will bring clients that can pay $4,000, and then the clients that can't pay $4,000,
those, by the way, are the clients I don't want you to take.
So, it's all attitude and a heart, so you don't have to worry about...
My point in saying all of that is it always comes back to the source,
and we don't ever have to worry about the actions as being a good or bad thing,
which I know you're not, because you talked about the fact that, well, no, I understand it's the attitude.
I just wanted to mention that, though, before I went on to the next thing,
and that is the fact that because what I said is true,
it's important that we put our own oxygen mask on first and understand that,
okay, in order for me to be able to know what I should charge,
should it be $4,000, should it be $200, I don't know.
We have to go, we have to stop looking at money,
and we have to start looking at and start risking our, by money I mean like,
well, we have money in our position, a specific dollar amount or whatever,
and say, okay, God, this goes further back than the money.
This goes further back than the business.
This goes to the fact that I don't feel like, I feel like you're always,
that you're looking at me, expecting me to make something worse,
or you are, you gave me a talent, and I'm not,
and I'm trying to make sure you use it, or you gave me a story that's got to be heard,
or you gave me whatever.
We've got to go all the way back to that, and if you choose to release yourself,
it all goes down to release.
So part of the struggle here is, you know, like, oh, well, I don't know about this,
and I fear that it's this.
It's all of this struggle, and that kind of a struggle is resistance.
So we have to start struggling.
We have to stop resisting.
As soon as we just let it go, clarity comes.
We shift into rest.
You know, we intentionally choose that.
God's our guide.
We shift into rest first.
Then you'll get your answer instead of just trying to figure out the answer.
It's letting, it's even letting go your ownership of the fact that you have to have an answer.
I mean, because that's what our resistance does.
And so as soon as I started, when I was questioning the Lord about what I should charge,
I was struggling so much.
I said, Lord, I just want to do your will.
Do you want $4,000, or do you want $200?
I mean, I don't know.
I'll do anything you want.
Just tell me.
And the longer that I pushed, and I strained, and I struggled,
the more elusive that the dadgum answer got.
And so finally I had to release my ownership of the fact that I had to have an answer from him.
I stopped holding him accountable.
for giving me an answer and just let him be who he was and just enjoy him and I'm like hey Laurie, I'm yours and I had to intentionally choose that.
Intentionally choosing to rest in you, intentionally choosing that I enjoy you for who it is that you are, I seek you for who it is that you are.
And then from that place I no longer felt afraid.
I shifted into rest because I no longer felt like I had to provide for myself with money, business or whatever.
I no longer felt God, you know, was ahead of me.
I was just enjoying him. I was releasing everything.
And God's like okay, now that you've released yourself to me, here's your answer.
Here's how much I want you to charge.
Here's the exact dollar amount.
And then you'll know in your spirit, here's why.
Does that make sense?
So it's actually the opposite of what we think.
We think we'll get an answer by pressing in harder and harder and harder and it's the opposite.
We let it go.
Because that's where some of our fear is manifesting.
Is our straining after it and our desperateness and our aggravation and struggle that we can't, that the answer's elusive.
Even when we make it sound godly and we're like oh, I'm just working on myself and I know that the problem's me and I'm trying to figure me out.
Even that is, we're still straining and struggling and striving.
It goes pretty deep.
No, it does.
I'm just wondering, I don't know if, do you have like earbuds in or I'm getting like a lot of background noise so it's really hard to hear.
I don't know if it's possible.
Or like is a window open or something?
No.
Oh.
Is that better or not?
I think so.
What did you do?
I turned the, I just now realized the microphone is right over the air vent so I tried to turn the air vent off.
Is that worse or not?
That's a bit better, yeah.
We'll stick with that for a bit and see how it works.
I just don't want to miss, I don't want to miss what you're saying.
I know.
Well, I tried to find my earbuds too before we got on the call.
I don't know where I have them.
So I'll try to look for them.
So did you hear what I said or?
Yeah.
So, yeah, totally.
I did kind of make it out.
Okay.
So, so where I'm, what I'm like thinking when you're talking is that.
I created this whole program out of a place of.
My own healing and what God,
the journey he took me through and everything. So.
When it comes to charging more money.
I, I feel guilty because I want to serve everybody.
And I don't need the money.
Like, we've, we've got enough to make do we can.
Yeah.
I'm not, I'm not in lack. I've always had enough money. I've never.
Ben necessarily in the overflow, but I've always had enough.
And so I'm like, okay, God's blessed me with enough.
So I want to bless other people who need it.
And so it's more of a.
Yeah.
But like, I know.
My mission,
my mission field could be separate from my business.
Like my business could be my business.
I could have my tithes and offerings and giving.
Going to a different place. Like, I,
I almost need to disassociate the two.
Because I'm making them one in the same.
I'm making my business the same as where I give my tithes and
offerings.
Which.
Oh, wait, wait, where you give it.
Well, so it's like.
I don't know how to explain it, but it's kind of like,
It's like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm.
I'm giving money and tithes and offerings.
To my business.
When I'm giving people discounts.
field using it as the way I give back instead of looking at it as if I make
more money I can give 10% to my church as usual and then I can give money
elsewhere as well or gifts elsewhere as well it might you know what I mean so
I'm I'm kind of like wondering if it's a problem of me not separating out the two
and making my business my business and making that a place where I derive
income and then making my tithes offerings giving all of that separate
in a place of you know not associated with my business necessarily you know
what I mean but because I look at my business as my mission field as the
place where God wants me to give back I'm not I'm not like disassociating the
two okay can you hear me oh that's much better yeah my air conditioner has been
going and I've been acting like it's going in and out and so I've had to
speak to it today and then it'll get cool and then I'll decide to go out
again I'll speak to it again I love it I'm practicing so speaking to creation
having dominion remember that Amy was doing that you know she was talking to
oh I don't know if you joined the rest of the time she was yeah she was yeah
she was talking about talking to her okay so so glad that this works and
that's good to know that this is better I have an air have air pods but we're
not currently charged okay so sorry the last thing that you said it's kind of
like I'm I'm trying to disassociate my business from my tithes and offerings
because I'm associating that yes okay well for one thing remember that we
don't have to worry about separating things like our business from you know
from our ministry from our whatever because to God it's all one in the same
it's our spirit flowing into the earth and it just flows into the earth in
different ways flows through business flows through marriage flows through
finance flows to ministry whatever so honestly it always really bothers me
when people talk about ministry as being something different I'm not saying that
bad it's just that our association with the idea of ministry is that it's like
this separate spiritual thing and everything else is unspiritual I'm not
saying that's what you're saying I'm just I'm just walking you through my
mental process at this oh I think that sorry let me check that feed here okay
didn't want to be speeding so okay so I'm good
now it wants me to go somewhere let me see where I'm supposed to go okay well
I know just just to address what you just said like it's not that I look at
it as bad like I've always wanted to associate my business with my ministry
problem I'm having the problem I'm having is that I'm struggling to charge
money for it because I think it should be my mission field and I should not be
making money at it yes yes okay yes so here's here's the thing though that
that's kind of my point is if there's if there's no separation then there
should be no concern of like well I do this type of thing with money in
ministry but I don't do this type of thing with money in business it's one in
the same so you can do the same thing with minute it was money that you in
ministry that you can in business because there's no difference ministry
is the way in which we operate in life where our spirit flows out of us so that
business is not secular business is God given and you can run your business
however you want you can do your you can do your or you can do discounts in your
business to give people I mean even secular people even non-christians I do
that with their business they give charity they get a discount they do
whatever they want especially for small mom-and-pop places they do give away all
kinds of stuff for free you know free services free whatever and we're talking
big like full-on hey you know sir it's this $500 charge is completely on us you
know I mean they do stuff like that so
And my point is that you don't have to have to worry that, that it has to be different.
And, and I know that you want to just please that you want to please the Lord but that's, that's my point is it.
It's much deeper than money, it's going all the way back to is the Lord, is the Lord pleased with me with how it is that I am.
And therefore, together, because it's pleased me because we operate in life together. This is how we want to charge, as opposed to God what do you want me to do for me to charge like this or not charge like this because this is good, this is bad.
Trying to figure out how to say.
So, you can, you can get discounts you can get stuff for free the first people that join the rest intensive. God told me give it to all of them for free. The first five people.
Those are the, those are the people in April.
And, and so, so I did.
And, and anyway, and so, and I had no idea about after that how it's going to price structure everything all I knew is I said hey, give it free to all of these people like, Okay, then Lord, I'm, I'm choosing therefore that you will then provide
financially, because you told me to give it to all these people for free and so I'm choosing that you're my provision, not my business. So therefore I will do whatever in my business that you told me to do because that's just me living.
It's not me ministering, it's not me doing something spiritual. It's me and you operating together in life, and we do that, whether I'm going to the grocery store, or whether I'm in business with that.
Am I answering your question.
Um, you're asking.
I think, I think my main question is, how can I justify charging hundreds of dollars a month for my program.
Like, yeah, I can't, because right now.
Like when when you're telling me this stuff about how you do it this is what's this is what's kind of messing with me a little bit is that part of me feels like I should do it the way you do it and the other part of me wants to quit my full time job as a teacher,
and I just want to do this and make money at this because I love it and I want to be able to do it full time so.
And I can't do that if I'm not making the money so but I can't justify charging.
So we can't do that money's the provision.
Does that make sense. It's like, well, I can't. Okay, so, you know, thought I can't quit my job and do what I want to do because I have to make money in order to be able to do that.
The money is the provision in God's like no on the provision.
It's that it's that it's that foundational it's that mind blowing, it's that different.
But I get that but so I don't know if like we're connecting properly on this because I feel like I'm trying to understand how I can actually justify charging money for my program because I want to be able to quit my job so.
So, can we talk about it that way like how, how would I be able to actually say it's okay for me to charge hundreds of dollars, like, I want to quit my job.
If I don't, if I don't make money like I'm a I make good money teaching if I worked full time I'd make six figures, and that provides it like the income for our house to function for my husband for our daughter like.
And you know what I could go quit my job but my husband's going to be very angry with me. And I like I could quit my job but I'd have to make money somewhere because the money pays for things.
So, I'm trying to figure out how I can justify charging money because I think I should be not from a place of somebody else saying it but I believe that I should be compensated for my time.
And, you know, I pour I'm going to be pouring a ton into these people so I do think it's important that I'm compensated, but yet I keep swaying toward.
I should just do what you do and like people can pay whatever they want but if people do that, they're like it's not gonna, it's not going to have the same result of me like wanting to quit my job because I'm able to bring in the income somewhere
So, like I don't want to be teaching anymore I want to do this full time.
But yet, I can't justify making money on it so this is where I'm
struggling, like, I don't really know how to make sense of it.
And then, I think, I don't, I don't know if I quite understand
exactly how you're explaining it, like, how, how can I justify
charging money for it?
Um, okay, so, um, let's go. Okay, let's come at it from a
different, let's come at it from a different, let's just, um,
when, so, your, so, money with, who was I talking to about this?
I'm trying to remember, so it could help remind me of our
conversation. But the, the, your, maybe it was Lori, maybe
it was on that call, the community call, that, that your
money, the money that you're charging is, or so to speak, the
money that they're paying is not in exchange, necessarily from
rest. I'm not talking about from, from the world system,
because I don't teach that way anymore. It's rest intensive. So
that's why this is the answer you're going to get. If you want
a different answer, it goes around, because the other
answer is not wrong. I just don't teach that, that. But
okay, so let me, let me tell you how I used to teach. You used to
teach, again, not from the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil. You can do that. And that's perfectly, that's
perfectly fine. If that is what I used to do, that is under from
the perspective that, okay, I have to have the money. So
therefore, if I'm going to put in this amount of time and this
amount of effort, I need this amount in return, if you're
looking for an X, an equal exchange, then what you to what
you traditionally do is and this is what I used to train on, then
what you do is you figure out, okay, what, what amount of
money would equal that amount of time, effort, energy that you're
going to pour in? What would help in the eye in the mind of
the customer create a sense of the value that they would be
receiving? And I don't mean necessarily the value and
actually what you put in, it's the value of the church. Is that
change to that? Is that a 4000? Is it is is that how much their
life will change? Is it worth $4,000? Is it worth whatever?
And typically, what you do is something like this, like trauma
or whatever you think, okay, it's worth this amount of money
or say it's priceless, but whatever, like say it's worth
$10,000. Normally, what you would do is if it's worth 10,000,
you charge a formula for it would be you charge 1000. Some
people go by the rule of thumb that you charge a 10th of the
value that they will receive out of it, but understand that that
is going at it from an exchange. This is this is what
they're, they are paying for something they are getting. So
if you're wanting that answer, there's that answer. But from
rest, it's from
this is how I'm interacting with her that that person is coming
into is something that they do in order to to determine it that
they give in order to identify for themselves how much that
thing is going to mean to them. So I suppose either way, it kind
of works out. It sounds the same, but it's different. You're
coming at it from a different source. One is spirit. But
anyway, it goes back to the client, not not you. It's not.
So therefore, everything is on the client, you don't have to
feel the burden of I feel bad, charging for someone else's
healing, charging them for something that they should have
a right to, as the Son of God charging them to allow them to
giving them an opportunity to heal from an abuse that they
receive.
See that just doesn't feel right. No, the money is then putting not skin in the game
But money from again from a place of rest is the client's way at first
Choosing to step out and take action on there on making their own shift because you can't shift them it if they can't shift
In that way, then they're not going to be able to do the other stuff
Which is what I talked about because the money is the easier thing
Because it's easier to do money than it is to face
Oneself and to do what one has to do and to change myself and all of that because they have to face their emotions
and
So which is what we talked about on the call and is so what are your thoughts so far?
Yeah, no, this is great this I feel like we're on the same page now
Yeah, no, I feel I apologize
I just kind of felt like I felt like what I was thinking and I think what maybe I was
Communicating wasn't coming across in the way that I meant for it, too. So I apologize
Yeah, so basically
then
If we were to take the so I know you're not gonna say anything's right or wrong
But would you agree with the statement like if I'm truly living in the spirit and truly living at rest?
I would let people decide what they're going to invest
No, because that it's all your source. You can do whatever you want
Like for instance for instance the conference that I'm going to I am going with a friend
Who doesn't charge for any of his conferences?
but
The guy who's going to be speaking at the conference is
one of his best friends and he charges a lot for his conferences and
Even my and my friend will stand up for his friends and say hey look
You know, everyone is
responsible with with how as a king of God for how he
rules and how he has dominion and how he manifests heaven into earth and
He said it's there's nothing wrong
With charging money money isn't bad
We've been made by the world
Bill and I's money and made it like this thing that provides form protects that kind of like if it's like a
Loaf of bread in front of a hungry child and that take in that charging money is
The equivalent of taking the bread away from somebody who's who's?
Hungry and has no way of feeding themselves
Otherwise and you just took away their means of feeding themselves that mean it's abusive and that is not true
People do not have to but for instance
You are
Not how do I put?
right word that
God will
Heal someone and work with him
and
With or without
You will God will not allow you and how much you charge
to
Keep someone from receiving their healing
Even with working with you who's going to be the biggest
Obstacle to their healing. It's the same obstacle that they're dealing with before they hire you and that's them
You are not in their way
Your money and how much you charge is not in their way
They are in their way and
And so it however
They God
prompts you to accept someone and to lower the price or give them a discount and you don't
Well at the end, you know, that's between you Lord, but I'm not but I would admit that usually people who are very
very
Sensitive to this spirit are not likely to miss the Lord like
It's because their relationship with the Lord is such that they're very
That they're that they're that they recognize it really quickly. Oh, by the way, I apologize. Am I talking too loud?
No, of course. No, no
I don't talk this forcefully, you know, but I'm in a car where it's very loud and
Let me
Loud and I'm always thinking that people can't hear me. So in the car, I think that my a
fight
personality that
Had to like deal with
That had to deal with a very strong man in corporate situations
It's down. It can I have to put that voice on and I'm not meaning to I promise
I really do promise my attitude my heart, you know my attitude my heart. I'm just trying to talk over my car
No, it's a you're perfect. I can always I can
always turn you down if I need to but I haven't needed to and you know and I want to I just want
to touch on something for a second so before when I was asking you about like help me understand how
I can justify actually charging because yeah I can justify and justify and justify charging nothing
I can justify charging whatever they can pay like all of that I can understand I can justify that
because I get it and it makes sense and so I'm looking at like the pendulum swinging because
what I don't have is enough evidence for the other side to be able to kind of make sense of it myself
like I've prayed about it I've asked God I don't know what the answer is so I'm like okay if I
understand why it's okay to charge money and then mixed with my feeling that I shouldn't charge
anything or just a little bit then I'll feel like a little bit more balanced you know what I mean
okay so I'm sorry you said you you're not understanding the other side what's the other
side yeah no no no I am now more like you've been talking I just mean from before like that's what
I was kind of getting at when okay um but what you're saying to me right now is helping me with
the other side so that I can kind of just be able to discern better because I feel like right now
my own programming is getting in the way of like my own thinking is getting in the way of what God's
trying to say oh yeah yes yeah well it yeah it it always is I mean that's always the case that's why
I always talk about we have to put on our own oxygen masks first it's always our beliefs from
which we frame our worlds our actions how we hear God if we believe we can't hear God you know whether
we're muting God because we feel that you know uh we feel that there is something that we have to
do to engage with in order to be able to hear him that belief hinders us from being able to hear him
it's so funny usually very interesting point to make because it was something I was thinking about
while while you were talking and I was going to mention this in case it's helpful but but the more
the the long the more we try to not do something the more likely we are to do it kind of and then
and people talk about uh and then the more likely we are to manifest it so say for instance and
people that uh that worry a lot they're trying to avoid trouble
and I watch this person and people I know that the people that worry the most and constantly
are trying to be the most risk averse end up manifesting the the worst uh and the most
tight struggles in their lives and so we would think the opposite or the most the strong the
long the harder that someone tries to not be like their mom or their dad the more likely they are to
become their mom or their dad yeah whatever it is that we try to do so in other words my point is
that the more we try to get an answer or the more we try to uh not be a particular way or the more
we try to avoid displeasing God the more we try to do the right thing the harder that it makes us
for us to actually do it we actually end up resisting the very thing we're trying to get
and we end up manifesting the thing we're trying to run away from because whatever it is we focus
on we we create more of yeah so it's a way to help us get out of like these cycles of like
trying to get an answer well why am I confused the more that we stop and the less that we do
and the more that we let go of the the clearer that things come it's really wild yeah no I I
definitely agree with you and I think I don't know why I process things the way that I do exactly but
I feel like if I can at least on some level understand a little more about why it
like I it's literally like I need the information at the moment to be able to understand
what what would be okay about charging money so what you just said about you know your two
friends the one or the one friend who doesn't charge anything and the other friend who charges
a lot and it's like I get it's not about the amount of money but I'm trying to reconcile
it in my spirit so that I can understand like that God would even be okay with me charging any money
yes so that comes from
well it comes from a lot of things
so that was where I was going before so what I did is uh sorry just one second
um if I've arrived is the gear on you it's because I keep checking my my map yeah no
we're I think I think I'm in Greensboro and so I'm like I've got to make sure I know where I'm going
so uh anyway um are you okay if you don't if you don't see me and I just follow my map for just a
little bit because I literally am now in town and like having to follow it yeah no problem okay
sorry about that okay so what I was saying earlier um about the whole you know because
you're talking about you know money mindset and how it's not okay with me actually charging money
etc um is I got okay with money when I realized that money was not when money lost its power in
my world and it lost its power when it didn't when it no longer it no longer provided for me
and God provided for me and that's what I was talking about earlier and I had jumped right to
it I'm sorry if I created confusion by going to the deeper root issue but this is the root issue
of it and that is the like a money mindset and this is what changed my mindset about money
because nothing else did it things started to like when I I worked with my high ticket coach
um um and he was trying to shift my perspective on money because I was like hey I don't understand
how I can charge so much money I'm just trying to help people surely I should just charge like
100 or maybe I should give it away for free or whatever so he worked on my mindset as well
but even he didn't get me to where God got me and that is the fact that when I realized okay
money does not provide for me God does I finally uh I finally uh money no longer bothers me so much
you would be shocked and um you would be shocked about how many times I have been down to
uh almost zero um and and actually yeah I mean like pretty wild I did tell you about this story
didn't I the last time six dollars fifty four cents I think I told you that on Marco Polo right
I think so yeah you cut out for a second was it two dollars I mean that was just one example
six dollars and fifty four cents no I don't think you did tell me about that I think you I heard
two dollars I thought you were talking about something else so what was it about this one
I don't think you told me where I was down to six dollars and fifty four cents one time
and uh and I had just uh I had just committed to um something to a whole bunch of clients
that I was going to do something for them and then it was going to end we were going to interact
together and it was going to be whatever well uh uh that was my last day of my internet and
I needed seventy dollars to continue my internet because with the amount of data that I go through
it would shock you um and uh so I have unlimited I have unlimited uh data on the internet that's
how in order to function at the level that I do you know with my business that's what I needed so
I lay down I just completely left so now that I've gotten further in my story
is it still not familiar no you haven't told me this story okay I just wanted to make sure so that
you wouldn't have to like sit and listen to the whole thing and be like at the end you're like
yeah so you told me now okay I would I would just tell you okay good good so I uh uh I like I left
my work I was feeling very stressed as you can imagine I was feeling all the stress and anxiety
come up I literally had six dollars and fifty four cents is it you have to understand no credit
cards six dollars and fifty four cents this was earlier this year I didn't tell a human soul so
I lay down on my bed and I told the lord like okay lord um I know that you tell me that you're
my provision and that you love me and that you're good to me I do thank god I'll be honest it's not
something that I understand and but you know I'm choosing this I'm choosing that if you say this is
who you are I'm choosing that that in my world this is who you are and this is how you will
manifest so therefore you know I'm just I'm just asking you very gently of what would you like to
do this is my situation you already know my situation but I'm just going to tell you you
know that you know I've told all the clients I'm going to do this and I this is the last of my day
of my internet and I owe 70 dollars or if I want to have it the rest of the month you know what or
for the next month what what should
I do, what would you like to do?
And then he reminded me, he said, Ashley,
have your parents paid you your birthday money yet?
Like, oh, well, I think so, but I don't know.
So I checked, sure enough, I couldn't find it,
so I called my mom and she said,
no, Ashley, I haven't paid you that yet
because I wanted to make sure that, you know,
you were good with it and everything was okay.
Do you want me to go ahead and transfer it
into your bank account now?
And I said, oh yeah, sure, yeah, no, it'd be good.
Well, they paid me $75 for my birthday.
So right then, immediately, I got $75.
So that paid for my internet.
And so it's like, okay, Lord, I got it.
And then, I mean, because otherwise, I mean,
see, we look at that situation on this side of things.
We're like, oh, yeah, see, you know, it was just so easy.
But in the situation, I had no idea where I could get money.
No clue.
I was like, Lord, I don't know,
other than like asking for charity, what do I do?
And the Lord reminded me of something very odd.
That was, Ashley, did your parents give you the birthday,
your birthday money?
Because they were gonna give it to me early.
My birthday wasn't for months.
So anyway, so there was that.
And then a couple of days later,
I had multiple things up on Facebook.
And I do mean a gob of things on Facebook.
Let me hear.
I had a gob of things on Facebook.
Can you see me?
Yep.
And, whoops.
And they were not moving.
And nobody was biting, nothing.
And I told God, I said, hey, God,
you know, I need to go to the grocery store
and get some groceries.
And you know that I only now, since I paid for my internet,
I now have $9 and something in my account.
And what would you like me to do?
So I asked him, I said, would you please bring,
this is like the next day or the day after,
I think it's probably the next day.
And I told him, I said, you know,
what would you like to do?
And he immediately brought someone in
to purchase multiple things.
And it was $17.
I was able to finish everything out within a few hours,
go drop it off, collect the $17.
All from rest, I was like, okay.
I just, because I knew, Ashley, you can't strive for this.
You can't get anxious.
You can't worry.
Take it all in stride.
God's providing, it's all okay.
Act like it.
If I can't act like it,
I'm going to be very calm about this whole thing.
And I'm not going to stress, I'm not going to worry.
I'm just going to act like I have a million dollars
in the bank.
So I went, collected the money,
went to the grocery store,
and then I got, I went through
and I didn't calculate anything.
I just got what I would normally have gotten
at that grocery store.
I even got something that I thought,
I don't know if I should get this
because I don't really need it.
I thought, Ashley, is your God that good?
And so I, it was the milk.
And so I told God, I said, God, I don't need this,
but I believe you are so good
that you would just give me milk just because I like it.
So I, this is me, God, choosing that you are this good.
I literally said that as I reached in and I grabbed,
and I grabbed it because I'm having to tell my soul,
so this is what you believe now.
This is how you're acting.
So I put all this in the cart.
I go up, I had just been given $17.
I ring it all up.
I forced myself to not look as the total was adding up
because I had forced myself to not calculate
and add up all of these products and how much they were.
And I finally looked at the end total
and it was $17 and like 56 cents or something like that.
So God was showing me, Ashley, I provide, I provide.
And so since then, what he's done,
he has like, I asked him not,
I asked him at some point sometime after that,
Lord, okay, Lord, you've been showing me
how you come through in the 11th hour.
I'd like to see you, what it looks like,
because I know that you say
your character operates in abundance.
I would like to see you come through abundantly.
So, excuse me, I don't remember what it is that I needed.
I needed money for something,
but it was probably just a few.
I don't remember how much it was,
but I needed just something.
And well, he like multiplied it by at least,
I think he multiplied it by 10 times,
what it either five or 10 times what it is that I needed.
And I didn't need a small amount.
And I never had that much money that had come in.
And boom, it came in from out of nowhere.
I mean, it was not a new client.
It came out from the middle of nowhere.
In fact, I thought it was a mistake.
So I contacted the person and said,
just to clarify, I think that this wasn't intended for me.
And they said, no, that is for you.
And here's why.
Here's what happened to us.
We weren't expecting it.
We wanted to bless you with it.
So I so it suddenly enabled me to not only pay for what it was that I was trying to pay for
but it also enabled me to to do things that I didn't that
it to step out and
prepare for
Things that were coming in the future like in other words things that God's like hey, Ashley
You're gonna need this and so as soon as I got the money
I was like, oh you want me to get that now in order to have it for later
He could have had me do it in the 11th hour
But I had asked to see him
Provide for me before the 11th hour and provide for me in abundance and then beyond that I had money left over
So and then that's another thing I do money just can't mean anything to me
So sometimes I'll get money and I will give away half of it
And we just have of what I just got in because it doesn't matter
It's good the more it's gonna come in and then it's gonna go out and then I'm gonna and it so my point is that
when I
When I learned that I really true that God provides for me
Money doesn't because so often people will gift me things. I have had
thousands of dollars that people have gifted to me and not just money but goods and services just
Given I didn't ask for it. Hey, Ashley, would you like this? Hey, would you like this?
Hey, would you like to stay here? And would you like to do this? And hey, we'd like to take you out
We don't just like what anyway because I chose God you're my provider not God
You give me money and so he gives it to me in a variety ways
and when I chose that he was my provider and money wasn't then it helped me take my
hands off of money so now
It can I I don't worry when my account gets down really really low
I don't worry about what it is that I'm going to do not going to what am I gonna have money for not have many
For that's God's God's problem. I just rely on his character and that helps me make decisions about
money because sons of God make money based on big money make decisions based on
Not on money, but on will
So
But in order to do that, I had to make God my provision
Not say that God provides me money because then it makes money my provision and when I realized money wasn't my provision
I stopped it loses its power. So therefore it doesn't bother me when you know when people
If some people have paid five thousand to get in the group some people have paid two dollars and twenty two cents
But and they've paid everything in between
It doesn't matter
It that money means something to them. My God provides provides for me and he provides for me without money. So
That's what I'm talking about. That's the money mindset issue. It's not
Okay, how do we appropriately see money? It's that no. No money isn't our provision at all
God's the provision. God's not the provider of money. That's the provision and he can give without money
Right that
That's what I was referencing earlier. It's like they're really really deep issue of this question
But I'm sorry if I went too deep too fast and it sounded like I wasn't addressing your question because I realized I was I
Was addressing it, but it didn't sound like it and so I thought you know
I need to just address your question first and then eventually you asked this one once that one made sense. So sorry about that
No, no, that's okay. I knew there was like, yeah. No, that's perfect. And I totally understand what you're saying there and I guess
You know, I
God is definitely my protection and my provision. You're right. He doesn't he
It's not that he provides me money
He is just my provision in general so that definitely works
So it's basically about kind of letting go of
The any power money might have over me so like things like well
I need money to be able to do this. I need money to be able to do that
more like God will give me the opportunity to do those things and you know, I I
Really like yeah, or I really want to
What else was I gonna say, um
Like God will bring me the right clients
Like you said before no matter what I charge whatever I line up with him, whatever I feel he's saying to me
He will bring me the right people and honestly, I'm not opposed to giving people
Like if I if I decide on a price like let's say it's like, you know
397 a month or something
I am not, which is what?
Nothing.
What did you say?
Nothing, because then I, no, no, no,
because it doesn't, it depends,
and no, I was about to say something,
but then I realized, no, because if I say that,
but then if it's received in the,
when you're in transition from shifting over here,
it could sound, if you hear it from over here,
it could sound totally different than the way I meant
to see it, when it meant it to be received,
and it would be very confusing, so nevermind.
Go for it.
If God tells, if you and God decide 399
is what you wanna do, then what?
I would really love, though,
for you to consider telling me,
maybe not what you said,
but the meaning behind what you said,
because I'd really like to understand
what was going on in you at the time
that you said whatever you said,
even if you don't tell me what it was,
maybe the spirit behind it.
Spirit behind it?
Oh, behind what I was saying, okay,
so I was about to make a comment about the amount,
because I thought the amount still meant something
to you in your world.
And so I was going to address it from that,
and then I realized, no, I don't need to answer
your question, assuming you're still coming at it
from this perspective.
I needed to give you an opportunity to come at it
from this perspective first, and then whatever dollar,
whatever I would have said about that amount
would be received as meaning something different.
Does that, so anyway, that's what I was concerned about,
and I realized, oh, wow, Ashley,
that don't address it thinking that this is how she thinks,
because I was making an assumption
of how you would receive it, which is wrong.
So anyway.
How did you think I might receive it?
That the amount matters.
In other words, that you still can't charge money,
that you're still struggling with charging money
for what it is you do.
I wanted to give you an opportunity
to get away from the conversation process,
what you believe about money.
And I would felt mentioning it would confuse it
when you're still not sure what you think.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
That's why, I was, because it was like,
Ashley, why are you talking about it?
You're just trying to give her an opportunity
to process the whole mindset.
Why on earth are you like bringing something up now?
So that was it.
It was just, I was being confusing, I'm sorry.
No, that's okay.
And so like 397 a month would be,
like 397 a month would feel totally worth it to me.
Like if somebody paid that,
I would think that's a really nice middle ground.
But if I talk to somebody on the phone
and they were in such a great place and they were willing,
I could tell they really wanted to invest in themselves,
but I could tell
that they were really struggling financially.
I could always give them something to see
how committed they really were in a sense.
Like there's a book called
Battlefield of the Mind by Joyce Meyer.
And I really like it.
And I would almost say to somebody, you know what?
I'm happy to give you,
a pretty significant discount on that.
If you're really committed,
I'd be happy to take like 50% off that price
and do it for 197 a month, for example.
But what I'd like you to do,
if you're open to it is go and read that book,
come back to me in like two or three weeks when you're done
and give me kind of a bit of an idea
of what you learned from it.
Cause if they're willing to do that,
if they're willing to go and like spend time reading
a really, I think profound book based on the Bible,
based on your mindset, things like that,
similar to what I teach,
I would think that would show me
that they're really committed.
And so God's kind of put that on my heart lately of,
you know, how can I get the right people
into the program that I know are committed
without sort of having them have to pay the full price?
Like, how does that feel to you
when you hear me talk about it?
Well, I mean, I think that, I mean, that sounds great.
What's important is, you know,
whether or not that's resonating with your spirit.
Like, okay, I feel, I mean, even if you don't fully,
even if it's not a fully fleshed out feeling of an idea,
you feel kind of a direction.
You feel like, I think that might be life for my spirit.
You know, remember that there, there can be a, God provides us a playground to experiment
with things, et cetera.
So the, one of the really interesting things about what you're talking about, that's what
I do.
What I require is change for almost free where people can pay whatever they want.
And why can I do that?
I can do that because people have just have, people have, I go through this whole hour
with them in which I get them to recognize this seriousness of the rest intensive and
the fact that what it requires is change because I take it very seriously.
And when they realize how serious it is, all of a sudden they take it very seriously.
And so you do know that at least half, at least half of the people that I've talked
to, if not more than half, have not joined the group when it's essentially free.
Because they realize, okay, there's not an exchange of money.
This is actually going to require me to change.
And that's not something I'm willing to pay.
So my point is that that is what, and also I don't market.
So far everybody has, I do ask for video testimonials, but so far everybody has been referral.
That's not a more godly way to do things.
Remember I used to market, I used to go to big conferences and sit next to people who
were doing, who were marketing like me for Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, I went to the really
big stuff.
That's what I used to do for a living, marketing, it's not bad.
But I'm just saying that I have them chase me.
They have to find me.
They have to work hard.
They have to think, there's no place on my page that other than like one post that's
buried way down, like back in March, that people even know that I have a program or
how to get, or how to access it.
The only way is that they could think, well, I don't know how to get on this program that
all these video testimonials are talking about.
Everyone keeps saying just contact Ashley, so maybe I'll message her.
I don't even tell people, hey, message me, I mean, unless I'm being interviewed.
My point is that they have to, so if they have even gotten to me, they've had to do
a lot of work.
Say that I send them my, I only send them, I asked them if they want me to send them
my Calendly link, and then they have to tell me yes, and then I will send them the Calendly
link, and then they have to actually pick a good schedule for them, then they have to
make it, then we have to sit for an hour.
They have to do a lot of work.
They have to do all of the work, and then I tell them that I'm there if they want something,
and then I go away, and I don't ever contact them again.
It's not that I don't want to, and it's not that I don't care about them, but hey, if
it's important to them, then they'll reach out.
My point is I don't chase them, they chase me, and that's one of the things that lets
me know how serious that they are, so none of those things are magic, it just ends up
being what I've done, and I wasn't planning on doing any of those things when I started
the program.
It's just what I now look at now and realize, oh, that's apparently how I do it, so that
is how they show me how serious that they are, how they have, the fact that they have
had to take a lot of responsibility, so I think that what you're talking about sounds
like a great ... What's important is that resonating in your spirit, and even if you're
not quite sure, try it.
If you think it's enough of an idea that you should go for it, then go for it.
It doesn't have to be perfect, it doesn't have to be like, oh, I know this is what I'm
going to do for the next 10 years.
Oh, I don't know, this might work.
I'll try it on one person.
I can tell you the number of things that I experimented with and tried on one person.
It's funny, because with you and I, I feel like it was so easy.
Oh, that's nice.
You know what helped me with you?
I had to work hard.
You had, I don't know how many conversations, I've never had so many conversations with
one person before they joined the Rest Intensive, as I did with you.
I was like, wow, she really worked this.
I did.
Can you hear me?
I felt, yeah, I felt it was, I felt it flowed very easily between.
In you and I, like we just kind of went back and forth and had these conversations and yeah.
I wanted it, but I also wanted to make sure that it was something that I really felt in my spirit was going to move me kind of into a greater deeper relationship with God.
yeah.
Because I felt.
You know what I mean.
pursued it for yourself is what I mean.
yeah I really want to know is this.
myself.
I can.
Sorry we're stopped at the at the hotel so i'm i'm sorry i'm gonna have to go in about five minutes, but that's why she's all all anxious today go ahead, so you thought it was so it did it played really well with that between us.
yeah yeah I felt like the flow was really good and it just I guess I kind of assumed that you would have had the same type of thing with everybody where.
Somebody would find out about it and they'd be like oh i'll just ask a few questions i'll hop on the phone we'll chat like at first, I think, when I met you at first I saw you as kind of like somebody I wanted to.
You know, like I wasn't thinking about at first, you being my coach.
Good i'm glad yeah.
And then yeah.
Oh i'm glad that's where I want it yeah.
yeah and then I.
And then, when you had a yeah and then, when you were like talking to me about the rest intensive I thought yeah I know this sounds like really great, but I always liked that you and I sort of had that basis of kind of a friendship before.
You became my coach and also from my experience i'm really, really, really discerning about who I allow to speak into my life or coach me right.
So yeah you were one of the first people I actually allowed to fully speak into my life into the in that time, because I was still healing right so.
yeah it felt like I guess I thought that everybody kind of would do that they'd meet you they'd.
really enjoy you they'd enjoy what you had to say about the rest intensive and they would just join, because why would money stop them because they don't have to pay a certain amount.
But yet it's interesting that you say that people will join in 50% of the time and 50% of the time they won't and it's like shocking to me that some people are not.
They they're not fighting for their life in a sense they're not like I want this, I want to grow closer to God, I want this life for myself like why not.
I know well it's the same thing with with a you know with anything with trauma or whatever it's like yeah, but what do I have to give up to do it, and some people just aren't willing to do that so.
that's a good.
Actually.
And I am so very sorry.
i'm actually gonna have to go.
yeah no it's all good it was great chatting with you enjoy your time.
You too, I hope that you got the answer you were looking for enough one to be able to pursue it, you know more with the word.
Good for sure, thank you.
you're welcome good to talk to you.
You too, have a good one bye.
bye.