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then turn off the video and then we'll then we'll have them over it, or answer a question.

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Hello.

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How's it going?

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Good how are you?

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Doing good it's been a while since we visited.

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How is your business going.

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I've been seeing lots of activity.

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Yeah it's going well I just ran a five-day self-love challenge this week which was really

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good.

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It was my first time doing one so I was kind of like in this place of kind of like a love

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offering with it like to really help the women who were coming in and if anyone wanted to

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work with me afterwards that was cool but I really sort of wanted it to be a place where

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I came from trust and love and yeah you know not with an expectation of anything necessarily

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which I know we're sort of taught in business to you know set intention about how many people

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you want to like buy your program and all this stuff but I'm like I'm like what if I

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just come from love and and like wanting to give and then you know God's gonna do what

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he's gonna do so that's what I did.

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Great I'm so glad I'm so glad so how many people are in the group?

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Well I have about in the group I have about 440 I think but in the challenge itself I

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think I had maybe about 20 like hardcore participants.

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So that was my first one so I was pretty happy with that and then I thought you know yeah

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it just it just was like a different come from than I've done in the past I think not

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that I've done a challenge but just not putting pressure on myself and every once in a while

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I could feel that pressure rise like I should be selling something after this I should be

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doing this for a reason and then I'm like stop.

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That's right I know just just let that let the spirit flow and then the Lord is going

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to call you know it's going to resonate with you he intends it to resonate with and they

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have to make an intentional decision and then it means that the people who are attracted

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are going to be easier to work with because they make the choice for themselves they weren't

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sold on it they had to pursue it and yeah I think that's wonderful that's great.

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Yeah it's good and and I mean you're doing a five-day thing right now and you know it's

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really interesting because the last like it was like a few weeks before we before I think

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you messaged me and we had had that like thing where I had booked a call and you'd missed

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it somehow so I around that time it was weird because I felt like this shift in I felt like

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something was happening in your life I felt like there was like a shift in you or something

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that was going on in your life that was like changing which was weird because I was like

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that's odd like I wonder why I'm thinking that so I was I was praying for you and I'm

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like okay God I don't know what this is but I feel like something's shifting in her life

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and so I was praying for you and then you reached out and you said that you are starting

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to charge for sessions now and you are doing this like five-day rest intensive so I wondered

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if that was something that was like kind of percolating a little bit at that time where

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you were sort of like looking at what was shifting maybe I don't know.

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Yes yes it was so very sensitive to the spirit so that's that's incredible yeah I've been

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doing a lot of shifting but yeah there was that was that was a shifting time and one

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of the things that I was thinking about is how do I want to change things that I do how

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do I want to change my business from what I've been doing and so in order to do it because

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I just felt from the Lord that there needed to be a shift but I was trying to determine

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well so what does that shift mean what does it look like I don't want it to change I like

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it is but I just felt that there was something that needed to so so it's like okay so I need

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to look at it I so I reviewed the past year and the shifts that that had been made and

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how things had gone and everything had gone really really well I was very pleased with

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it and then there were just some things that just kind of just were highlighted to me things

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that I had not felt peace to do before I had not felt peace to charge for the consultations.

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even after the four weeks.

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So currently I'm still offering,

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people join Rest Intensive on the 30 day

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to still offer the free four consultations,

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one per week for the first four weeks.

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But then after that, I've decided, okay, to charge for those

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and I'd never felt peace to do that before.

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And so I'd continue to offer them, tell everyone,

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hey, if y'all feel like you need one,

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please understand that you have the opportunity

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and to reach out and schedule one.

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And so this is the first time that I'd suddenly felt

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that I needed to, that it would be healthy

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for just the situation for myself, for other people,

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whatever, to start charging.

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And anyway, so that's what I'm doing.

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I haven't announced it in the group yet,

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but I've just been telling individuals.

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I just need to like write it all up

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and have everybody all hear the same write-up,

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same information.

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But yeah, that's what I'm doing.

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That's what I'm doing now.

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So there was that, just personal stuff that's going through,

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but obviously the business is an extension of the personal

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because the business is me, so to speak.

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It's my spirit flowing into the world in a particular way.

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And so it's just the, I was making some tweaks

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as to the structure of how all of that works.

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And I still am.

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After the five-day intensive, I'm now wondering,

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just like I shifted into the group program,

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what this shows me that I now wanna do moving forward.

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So I'm looking at that.

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Again, all moving in even more healthy directions.

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So it's not like, oh, getting rid of something

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that was really good.

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No, it's moving things into healthier directions.

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How do I help people?

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How do I help people more?

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How can I help them shift faster, more effectively?

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And what things end up helping people more than others?

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And so I need to not offer the things

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that aren't helping people as much.

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And what's the timeframe and what, anyway.

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So, and apparently the five-day thing

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really got people's attention because it was,

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it felt, I think, more doable, more consumable

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than hearing the word, hearing the number 30, 30 days.

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So anyway, just still looking at that.

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It was just a lot of information to put into five days.

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And I'm not offering private consultations

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during that time.

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So I really want people to know

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that these experiences that y'all've had

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have been because you've chosen

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and you've had time to process these things with the Lord

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and make choices.

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It's not simply, oh, I heard a lesson.

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I'm totally changed.

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You know, you actually have to internalize it

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and follow through with it in the Lord.

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And there's reasons why we've said no up to this point.

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So there's a process of getting to the point

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where we feel safe enough with the Lord to say yes.

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And so much of that happens after five days.

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A lot of shifting can happen in five days.

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And it has even with people who join the 30-day intensive.

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But anyway, I'm just trying to,

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looking at how things have gone in five days

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and figuring out what it is that I liked

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and wanted to tweak.

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And it all went well, just figuring out, okay,

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how do I, what can maybe, I don't know,

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provide people with something even more valuable.

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So for you, why did you start the five day?

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Because you said you've never done one.

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I thought you've done a five day though before.

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Maybe not a love challenge, but you haven't.

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I haven't done a five day before.

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But I, before we shift over to me,

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I still want to, I want to hear a little bit more.

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I'm super curious to know about you.

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I want to shift.

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That's very sweet.

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I know, usually you ask about me more than anybody else.

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You're so sweet.

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Oh, I love hearing about you.

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I love just hearing you speak

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and like hearing what's on your heart.

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And, you know, I'm so curious,

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like the whole shift that came in for you

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with your business and like, you know,

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deciding to charge and all of that,

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did it come from like feeling like you were spread

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a little bit too thin or feeling like you thought

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it might like help people if they were to invest

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in themselves more?

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Like what, what kind of was behind that?

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I'm super curious.

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Excuse me.

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I noticed that there was an extent to which it was effective

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but if people knew that it was available,

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then it subconsciously, do you, oh, how would,

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okay, I know what I'm trying to say.

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How do I say it?

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It would,

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They, they did you articulated it well, they, there was a way in which they started leaning

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on me a little bit too much, not extreme understand because there are other ways and people in

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which people like go to counselors, for instance, and they just go to just get to have somebody

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listen to them and somehow they expect after they're going to spend all this time venting

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that one day magically they're going to change and feel better, as opposed to taking ownership

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of their, of their own lives.

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So it wasn't that extreme.

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It was just that I noticed that there were that subconsciously they were just kind of

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like, okay, well, well, Ashley's always there.

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And, and even though they were taking on ownership between them and the Lord, I noticed that

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the people that shifted the fastest were the ones who didn't reach out as often.

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I worked really hard to make sure it wasn't going to flip out.

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I have used this stand for so long that I think that the, that the padding in it on

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the sides is like, has like really just kind of packed in so it doesn't make as tight of

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a clip as it needs to.

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So my dad, that would be very good at helping me like get some like foam to replace it with.

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I'm going to go get a nice pack.

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No, no, it's funny.

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I, and, and you know what, like that, I hear you because I get that same experience with

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certain clients who are like really reliant on me and it's like this gradual release of

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It's a gradual release.

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It's not immediate, but it is gradual because they're like, it's always there.

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Pardon?

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It's subconscious.

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They don't mean to, people don't mean to.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And I think it's, I think that makes so much sense.

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It's like, you know, they get that autonomy and if they know you're always there, they

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might end up leaning on you a lot.

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Now, I guess I'm curious when you say that, and you're always welcome to be like a hundred

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I love honesty.

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Would you say, was I one of the people who you thought was kind of leaning on you a lot?

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I think that you are one of those people that has really owned all of this with, with

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Tremendous.

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I believe that you're one of those people that has really, that has really owned it

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between you and the Lord.

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As far as whether or not you were leaning on me in any way that you, that you believe

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was unhealthy that way or not unhealthy, but that, that felt like you were releasing

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as I don't know, almost like that there.

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I'm sorry.

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I don't know why.

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I apparently may drink more coffee.

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I don't know why I can think of what I'm trying to say in my head and it's not coming out.

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So point is basically short version is that is something that I do not know.

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That would be, that would be you to know as to whether or not, and I would actually

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be very curious.

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That would give me good feedback.

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Talking to someone who's, who's very open and honest as in very, very self aware if

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what you think about my thoughts as far as, and I understand you can only speak for your

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experience versus like all of these other people, but I've had multiple people that

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just really have, I don't know that I had multiple people that really started leaning

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on me and whether or not that's one that you were one of those people, I don't, I don't

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know to what extent that you felt that it happening.

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What are your thoughts on it?

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Yeah, that's interesting.

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So if I were to kind of like analyze my experience, I think, I think when I met you, your wisdom

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and insight on like rest was so different from anything I'd experienced that I was like

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almost like a sponge, right?

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Like I'm watching videos and I'm just like taking it all in.

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It was like when I first became a Christian, just like I went to three church services

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every weekend cause I was just like a sponge and I, I loved it.

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I loved the information.

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I loved practicing rest.

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I was like, I can do this.

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I can do everything for, I can run a marathon from rest, right?

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Like anything can be done from rest.

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And so I enjoyed, I think I enjoyed you.

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Like I enjoyed talking to you.

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I enjoyed, I enjoyed your like, I think for a while too, I was sort of in this place of

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really trying to figure out what to do with the whole cult experience.

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And it all kind of came to a head when I had the opportunity to, to speak at, like

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April spoke out, the leader ended up contacting her because she was speaking out.

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I was speaking out, but behind the scenes.

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I was passing the information and April was the one who was speaking out about it more.

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And so I got to this point where I was like, do I want to keep pursuing this?

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Or is this like healthy for me?

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Remember, we were talking about that.

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And I was like, I don't know if I should just move forward with my life or if I have a mission

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to help these people.

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And at one point, I had the opportunity to message a whole bunch of the people who are

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now like working for free that are setting up these personal masteries, which is the

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first weekend.

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And I had it all kind of planned out how I was going to reach out and I talked to April

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about it.

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I talked to some other friends about it.

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And within about three hours, and I don't know if I don't think I don't remember if

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I talked to you about it.

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I think that was the night I was going to jump on the call and ask you about it.

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But I ended up asking three other friends about April, my chiropractor, who I just talked

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to about everything.

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And she's so great.

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She's so wise.

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And I love her.

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I talked to the hairdresser.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's like our version of a bartender.

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Totally, totally.

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And I have a friend who's a licensed clinical social worker in Manhattan.

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So she's a friend of mine, too.

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So I talked to all of them about what I was thinking about doing.

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And none of them would have talked to each other.

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But within about three hours, each of them said to me, I don't think it's safe for you

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to do that.

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I don't think that you should put yourself out there that way.

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You've got a daughter to protect.

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You've got a family.

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Don't mess with them that way.

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Because you're messing with darkness.

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You're messing with evil.

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And I think you and I had touched on this a little bit, but it was like, you need to

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protect yourself in a sense.

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You need to think about what can happen if you were to really go there.

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You think it will be relatively okay, but you don't know what they're capable of.

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And I was like, yeah, you know what?

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It actually struck me.

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And the fact that three people said it, and these three people I've talked to about this

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situation multiple times, like I have with you.

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So for them to all say it within three hours, I was just kind of shocked by it.

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And then I thought, you know what?

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Maybe it is better if I just move forward and that I don't put my effort and energy

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into helping those people because maybe it's not my mission.

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Maybe I need to just stay in the light and not go back and back and forth from the light

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to the darkness to try to help people.

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It's almost like you get out of a brothel, but you want to go back to the brothel and

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rescue the other girls, right?

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And that's how I felt.

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And then I'm like, but every time I go back to the brothel, I'm going into the darkness

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again.

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So do I want to keep going into the darkness or do I want to focus on the light?

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So finally, with that experience, and then a few other things that happened, I had this

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experience.

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I had so many experiences, it was crazy.

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God just kept revealing more and more things to me.

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And finally, I just shifted, I shifted out of that place of needing to help them and

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almost in a sense, like needing to matter that way, like, okay, maybe God will use me

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this way.

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I'm like, you know, God can use me by just being, but I didn't see that.

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My chiropractor was saying that to me, she's like, he's using you by just being you.

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You don't need to do anything.

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I'm like, I know, it's so true.

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But at the time, I just kept thinking I needed to do something.

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So I've really just been in this place of being.

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And so when you and I were talking to bring it back to that, like, I think I was gaining

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so much wisdom and insight from the things you were like, helping me understand about

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just all of that situation, which was so complicated for me at the time that I think I reached

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out to you because I saw you as someone who was just really easy to talk to about.

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And every time I came away from a conversation, I was like, yeah, I feel like I've got, I'm

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getting deeper into why I'm feeling this way and like how to get out of it, how to

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be at rest.

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And so, yeah, I, that's, I think that's what I did because of what I was going through,

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but I always knew there was a light at the end of the tunnel and that it would just like

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eventually shift.

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I was just kind of like, kind of gathering the wisdom, I guess, I'm like, okay, God,

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you know, you've got something in this for me, your spirits working through her in my

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life.

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And I'm just like, soaking it up a little, you know?

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Yeah.

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I'm so glad.

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I am so excited.

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Oh my word.

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You have no idea.

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There are so many things.

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There's a, there's at least, you're, you're at least the second really big thing, you

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know, really big story and testimony that I have heard.

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or the past, oh, maybe it's two days.

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Maybe the other one I heard was yesterday.

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I mean, there have been some major things

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that people have been talking about.

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They're like, oh my word, Ashley, I shifted like this.

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And I think yours is the second one

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that I have really, really been wanting someone to get

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and to understand that I kept trying to express

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and figuring and trying to understand

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how I could express it.

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So many times, you know, when we would have this conversation

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I'd be like, okay, she needs to know that she can just be,

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that she doesn't have to like do it and whatever.

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But I would try to say it as best as I could

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without coming out and saying it too much

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because, or too hard,

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because I know being in your situation,

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and maybe you're not like this,

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but when I've been in your situation,

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people have talked to me,

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I was not in a situation to hear it without being hurt.

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I would hear it and I'm like,

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I'm actually, instead of helping me,

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my feelings are now hurt.

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And so I was like, she needs to hear it from the Lord.

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She needs to understand that from the Lord.

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So I can like, I can like give her ideas

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that she can latch onto if she chooses

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and that her spirit and her soul can work on it

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while she's not conscious of it.

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But I didn't wanna say too much,

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because again, I didn't wanna hurt your feelings

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and the fact that it can do damage

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because with your heart

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and what you were wanting to do is good, you know?

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But if you can, but in that place,

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if people have this really sweet

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and tender heart before the Lord,

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and then they hear a different perspective of,

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oh, but you know that you don't have to,

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and you, whatever,

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it can be heard through a filter

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that instead of hearing it as encouragement,

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the encouragement that it actually is,

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it actually hurts.

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And it does, it creates the opposite effect

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of what it is I'm trying to say.

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And I did that with someone,

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with one of the other clients in Rest Intensive.

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There was something I had not only been wanting them

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to understand, but multiple women in the group

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to understand.

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And I've been talking to all of them about it,

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but I've tried to be very careful about how I do it

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because if I came across a different way,

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and trust me, I've done this by experience.

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If I push a little too hard and like really,

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but you know, their feelings get hurt.

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I mean, majorly.

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And then it starts doing damage, internal damage,

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and because they can only receive it as self-condemnation

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of, oh, I'm not heading in the right direction.

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Something's wrong, something bad.

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And I'm like, no, that's not what I'm saying.

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That's the only way that they can hear it.

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So I heard from them yesterday that the Lord told them

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and finally got them to shift

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and finally got them to understand

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something about in their life.

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They're like, oh my word, Ashley,

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I didn't know life could be this great.

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And I'm like, I'm so excited.

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But so the thing is, this is why I keep telling people,

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I can't fix it for them.

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I can just present different things to them,

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but I want them to always, and the hard part,

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the really hard part of where that shifting happens

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and where it's hard to let go

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and where, yeah, there might be a bit of pain

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and a bit of hurt.

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I want as much as possible

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for that to happen between them and the Lord.

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And because I want to provide them with a safe place,

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a safe place that's speaking the truth,

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but as much as possible sees the filter

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through which they're gonna hear something it is that I say

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and me try to avoid saying it at a time

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where it actually hurts instead of helps

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simply because of where they are

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and how they're hearing it.

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So I understand that people have to say hard things

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sometimes, but I have this balance

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that I'm trying to make of like,

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yeah, but they're not even gonna hear it

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as a positive thing.

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They're actually not in a place to hear it

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and it would hurt.

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This is the wrong time.

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And I want to be safe

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because the kindness of God leads to repentance.

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And I wanna look like my father as much as possible.

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Now, if he tells me to really say something,

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I have said it before,

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but just generally as much as possible,

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I just follow the Lord's spirit.

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Okay, Lord, are they open enough to hearing this or not?

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Cause I want them to always feel safe

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because the more someone feels safe,

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the more that they feel safe to step out into change

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and the more safe that they feel

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to step out into letting go.

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If they don't feel safe where they are,

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they're not gonna feel safe letting go.

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And the Lord just has put it on my heart

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that the vast majority of the experience

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that I have with other people,

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90, 95% of my interactions with people.

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um, with my clients is to speak it in such a way where there's, they still walk away

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hearing the truth, but feeling safe.

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And that's just what the, the, my ministry is, so to speak is providing safety because

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so many other places in life, they're going to hear truth without safety and they reject

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it.

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So anyway, I'm so excited because only the Lord can reveal those things to our spirit.

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This was between you and the Lord, and I just, I just, um, tried to fill the place

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that the Lord said, Ashley, this is your place and this one isn't.

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And so anyway, I feel like, I feel like you're so right.

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Like he, he like changes my, he changes me, but I really feel like he works through people

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too.

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Like, I feel like he gives people a sense of his spirit and like the ability to speak

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into, like, I feel like he gave you, for example, like the ability to like, be sensitive

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to the spirit too, and know like, what do people need to hear?

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What's going to help them feel safe and supported?

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What's too much?

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Like you're good at kind of like downloading kind of on a vertical level and going at it

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from giving it a horizontal level in a sense, right?

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Like you, you kind of do that download and let it flow.

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And I feel like that for me, it was beautiful because, I mean, I'm pretty good at hearing

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the truth and like moving through it, but, but that, that whole cult experience was so,

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I was so sensitive.

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I was so, um, broken.

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Understandably.

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Yeah.

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It was hard.

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It was a tough one.

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And I feel like the, um, the bondage of it has been broken, which is, yeah, it's huge.

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It was, it was huge.

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It was huge.

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Cults are powerful.

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The powers of darkness, very powerful.

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And I felt like I was in bondage to the darkness still, and I didn't know how to escape it.

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I didn't know how to get out of it.

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And so it was really helpful to kind of hear your insight because I was just ingesting

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it like a sponge, just trying to allow the Holy Spirit to change me, to do something

487
00:27:15.560 --> 00:27:20.400
in me, to help me shift out of wanting to go back and like help people because it's

488
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:24.400
still going back, you know, no matter what way you look at it, whether I'm going back

489
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.640
to help people or going back in myself, I'm going back.

490
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:34.280
And so it's like a dog going back to its vomit, right.

491
00:27:34.280 --> 00:27:38.680
And so it could be a mission, but my mission, like, I realized my mission got to look a

492
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:43.400
little different and it was supposed to be a mission that was moving forward from that

493
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:47.040
into the light instead of moving back into it in any way.

494
00:27:47.040 --> 00:27:53.600
And so yeah, thinking about being, being me, like I thought if I don't do something, I'm

495
00:27:53.600 --> 00:28:00.440
not helping the situation, but being me, allowing God to like guide me and help me through it

496
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.440
and like send the right people into my life to help me gain that insight and awareness

497
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.080
and be able to shift.

498
00:28:06.080 --> 00:28:09.280
It was like a really cool combination.

499
00:28:09.280 --> 00:28:14.960
So I'm really, really thankful because that was a, I was in a lot of bondage to that,

500
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.520
but just coming out of it, I knew God was like revealing amazing things to me and he

501
00:28:18.520 --> 00:28:21.920
has, he's brought me to a whole new level.

502
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.720
Like I don't, I feel cleaner.

503
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:32.520
I feel like, yeah, I feel like I took an internal shower and it's just like cleaned out.

504
00:28:32.520 --> 00:28:36.280
Oh my word, this is huge.

505
00:28:36.280 --> 00:28:40.640
This is really, really, really huge.

506
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:48.080
I mean, what you've done and, you know, having the courage to be open to hearing the truth

507
00:28:48.080 --> 00:28:55.040
from the Lord and then leaving the cult and then having courage to, you know, desire to

508
00:28:55.040 --> 00:29:02.320
help them and man, I was encouraged to hear the Lord say, no, you're enough.

509
00:29:02.320 --> 00:29:03.560
You don't need to.

510
00:29:03.560 --> 00:29:11.080
You have the, you have permission to let go and then choosing to let go when so much

511
00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:12.480
was wrapped up in it.

512
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:20.280
All of that is choosing to release yourself from bondage and, and that those are all huge

513
00:29:20.280 --> 00:29:22.880
major steps and you've done all of them.

514
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:28.920
So that's just, I don't know, I cannot express how excited I am.

515
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.760
I know I see it in your face, it's so cute.

516
00:29:30.760 --> 00:29:31.760
I love it.

517
00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:38.360
And, and it's like transferred over into every other area because I feel, I know with business

518
00:29:38.360 --> 00:29:42.200
eventually I do need to, you know, bring more money in because it supports me and it pays

519
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:46.040
for, you know, really like I'm paying money to do this business.

520
00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:48.760
So I want to at least make back what I'm spending.

521
00:29:48.760 --> 00:29:49.760
Right.

522
00:29:49.760 --> 00:29:54.720
And I think, you know, even that I'm coming from a place of like trust and love and rest

523
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:59.920
and not like forcing it or making it a have to, but just kind of a, well, they

524
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.640
get to do it if they want. I've got this amazing, like program

525
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.740
for them, if they choose it, it's here, I'm like, it's

526
00:30:06.740 --> 00:30:10.280
available to them, and they just get to choose it, instead of you

527
00:30:10.280 --> 00:30:13.760
need to do that, you know? And yeah, exactly. So it's like

528
00:30:13.760 --> 00:30:17.120
shifted into my business, it's shifted in even that situation

529
00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:19.200
about with the teachers at school.

530
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:21.280
Yes, I wanted to hear about those.

531
00:30:21.600 --> 00:30:26.480
I had Yeah, I had so such an interesting experience. Like

532
00:30:26.520 --> 00:30:29.400
remember, I said it was three teachers. And within, you know,

533
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.880
a couple weeks, like I had them all get upset with like, really

534
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.960
upset with me. The one guy was like, almost shouting at me

535
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.920
about something that made no sense. He was just stressed. My

536
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.800
principal even said, I said to her, could I have done anything

537
00:30:42.800 --> 00:30:46.040
differently? And she's like, No. So she's like, you did

538
00:30:46.040 --> 00:30:49.320
everything fine. He's just really stressed. And I'm going

539
00:30:49.320 --> 00:30:51.080
to move you out of his classroom. So you don't have to

540
00:30:51.080 --> 00:30:53.840
work with them anymore. So it's like, perfect. So that worked

541
00:30:53.840 --> 00:30:57.400
out to have that support. It was I was surprised. I was crying a

542
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.920
lot when I was after it happened, though. So I think my

543
00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:02.920
principal was like, shocked because they don't usually see

544
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:09.240
me. So I think she understood how how I didn't understand like

545
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:13.520
what just happened. So there was that and I with him. I've just

546
00:31:13.520 --> 00:31:17.080
left it because I feel like when the time's right, he'll talk to

547
00:31:17.080 --> 00:31:21.280
me or we'll talk. Then there was the other woman who was like

548
00:31:21.280 --> 00:31:25.320
very accusatory and telling like kind of in my face just like

549
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.480
being very, it's kind of like a dictator to me about what I can

550
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.520
and can't do. She's not my like, she doesn't lead me. She's 100%

551
00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:36.600
on the same level as me. She's another teacher, but she had a

552
00:31:36.600 --> 00:31:40.080
very controlling kind of like angry attitude. And then the

553
00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:43.800
other one had heard some incorrect information. And she

554
00:31:43.800 --> 00:31:46.760
was upset with me too. And I was like, this is so messed up.

555
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:51.640
Like, why? Why is this all happening? And so then the one

556
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.880
teacher, the one woman who was being very accusatory toward me

557
00:31:54.880 --> 00:32:00.320
the next two days later, I was back in her classroom. And I had

558
00:32:00.320 --> 00:32:03.480
found out from my principal just randomly that she was moving me

559
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.000
out of that classroom up into a different classroom. So I was

560
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.080
like, okay, because I get moved around a lot depending on with

561
00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:13.800
COVID. Everything's kind of like moving around a lot. So yeah,

562
00:32:13.800 --> 00:32:16.720
that makes sense. I went to this teacher and she was sitting at

563
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.680
her desk and I knelt down sort of beside her and I said, I

564
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.600
don't know if Linda the principal talked to you yet,

565
00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:24.400
but I'm actually going to be moving out of this classroom.

566
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.960
And I had not seen her talk to her since that conversation. And

567
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.000
in the conversation, I was trying to like show grace and

568
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.440
show, you know, I was literally like talking to myself going, I

569
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.200
know this is about her. I know this is not about me. I can be

570
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:41.120
kind, I can show love and like, just not retaliating, right?

571
00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:44.800
Because I wanted to. And so this was how long after the the

572
00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:48.080
incident, this was like two days after that incident. So I'm

573
00:32:48.080 --> 00:32:51.800
kneeling on the sort of floor beside her desk. She puts her

574
00:32:51.800 --> 00:32:56.160
hand on my leg after I tell her about this, you know, news about

575
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.600
me getting moved out. She's like, puts her hand on my leg

576
00:32:58.600 --> 00:33:02.560
and she's like, Well, that must have made you pretty happy. That

577
00:33:02.560 --> 00:33:06.760
must have been good news for you. And I was like, Oh, wow,

578
00:33:06.760 --> 00:33:12.440
like she does not feel good about herself. And it was just

579
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.120
eye opening to me. And I was so glad that I was kind to her in

580
00:33:16.120 --> 00:33:21.120
the moment because I realized how sad she was in that moment.

581
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:26.920
And ever since then, she has been so sweet to me. So nice, so

582
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:31.080
sweet, like and it just all it was was me just being in a place

583
00:33:31.080 --> 00:33:34.080
of like loving her where she was at being kind and not making it

584
00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:38.120
about me, which I have historically done almost all my

585
00:33:38.120 --> 00:33:41.080
life is made it about something being wrong with me something

586
00:33:41.080 --> 00:33:44.680
that I did wrong, right. And I've started to shift out of

587
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:49.440
that a lot too. And then the other teacher, we didn't speak

588
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:54.680
for two weeks. And I went to her and I and when I got moved, I

589
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.400
also got moved to work in the same room as her. I was like, Oh

590
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:02.120
my gosh. So I went up the first day I was in the room with her

591
00:34:02.120 --> 00:34:06.480
and I said, Hey, maybe we should like have a conversation about

592
00:34:06.520 --> 00:34:10.880
what happened. She's like, you know what, I am so sorry. I was

593
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.679
not in a good place. I should not have treated you that way.

594
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.280
If I wasn't so stressed about these other things, I would

595
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.000
never have reacted that way. And I'm so sorry. And she was so

596
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.000
apologetic. And again, it was just one of those moments where

597
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.639
I thought this isn't about me. This is about other people's

598
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:33.639
struggles. And I can't make it about me because it's not and my

599
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.600
insecurities in the past would have said it was. And even when

600
00:34:36.600 --> 00:34:39.560
I said to you, like, I think I'm the common denominator here. Why

601
00:34:39.600 --> 00:34:41.840
is this happening? Because it was a lot all of a sudden at

602
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.960
once I thought, what am I doing? But just even your Marco Polo to

603
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.719
me and just your answer about that was so helpful because I

604
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:53.040
realized, you know, just just being me and not making it about

605
00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:57.320
me and not and just like being with God being in the spirit and

606
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.320
it was it was a big realization.

607
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:03.920
when you sort of talked about it not being about me.

608
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:05.800
And you also talked about,

609
00:35:07.680 --> 00:35:10.860
you know, how some people might be in resistance

610
00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:13.020
to me in some way.

611
00:35:13.020 --> 00:35:15.040
And I had never thought about that before.

612
00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:17.000
I thought they would only be in resistance to me

613
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.280
if they didn't like me,

614
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.780
or if I was like mean or something.

615
00:35:20.780 --> 00:35:23.120
I didn't think about them being in resistance

616
00:35:23.120 --> 00:35:25.880
to like the light in somebody.

617
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:27.480
So when you said that, I was like,

618
00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:29.600
oh, maybe I guess that,

619
00:35:29.600 --> 00:35:31.880
but that was, I guess you're in a sense,

620
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:32.720
if you were thinking it,

621
00:35:32.720 --> 00:35:34.760
it must have been partially your experience.

622
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.320
Like you must experience some kind of light in me,

623
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.040
I'm guessing, maybe.

624
00:35:40.040 --> 00:35:40.960
Oh yeah.

625
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:41.880
Okay.

626
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.020
Cause I was like, wow.

627
00:35:44.020 --> 00:35:44.940
And that was huge.

628
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:46.040
That was huge feedback

629
00:35:46.040 --> 00:35:49.260
because I don't think I see myself that way.

630
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:52.560
I think I see myself as very normal, very average,

631
00:35:52.560 --> 00:35:55.400
very like, I just go about life.

632
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.080
I don't really think I'm that special in any way.

633
00:35:58.080 --> 00:36:01.000
So when somebody says something like that, I'm like,

634
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:01.840
really?

635
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:03.880
Like, is that maybe possible?

636
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.080
So that was huge.

637
00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:07.100
Powerful.

638
00:36:07.100 --> 00:36:07.940
Yeah.

639
00:36:07.940 --> 00:36:10.800
I mean, like what's coming out of us is powerful.

640
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:11.680
Yeah.

641
00:36:11.680 --> 00:36:12.940
And I guess it's like,

642
00:36:12.940 --> 00:36:15.440
God was just kind of working in me in those moments.

643
00:36:17.560 --> 00:36:20.200
And then a bunch of other little things kind of happened

644
00:36:20.200 --> 00:36:24.120
that all came together and it was just,

645
00:36:24.120 --> 00:36:24.960
yeah, I don't know.

646
00:36:25.560 --> 00:36:28.800
It's been a big shift and it feels good.

647
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.760
I don't like, I mean, we're always on a journey.

648
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.000
We're not, I don't think we've ever arrived.

649
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.280
We're always, you know, shifting interests.

650
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.120
Like I feel like I'm shifting interests a lot faster.

651
00:36:38.120 --> 00:36:40.000
I feel like even my husband,

652
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.080
my husband is a yo-yo dieter and it like makes,

653
00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:44.720
it makes me,

654
00:36:44.720 --> 00:36:47.780
it agitates me because my mom was a yo-yo dieter

655
00:36:47.780 --> 00:36:51.120
and she was so unhealthy and it's a trigger for me.

656
00:36:51.120 --> 00:36:54.380
So when I see him doing that, it just like irks me.

657
00:36:54.380 --> 00:36:58.220
And then, so the other, it was like a week or two ago,

658
00:36:58.220 --> 00:37:00.240
there was a big tub of ice cream in the freezer

659
00:37:00.240 --> 00:37:02.420
that was supposed to be for our daughter.

660
00:37:02.420 --> 00:37:04.180
And when I went to get ice cream for her,

661
00:37:04.180 --> 00:37:06.540
almost the whole thing was gone.

662
00:37:06.540 --> 00:37:09.540
And I was like, did you eat all the ice cream?

663
00:37:09.540 --> 00:37:11.260
And he's like, yep.

664
00:37:11.260 --> 00:37:13.580
And I just didn't say anything.

665
00:37:13.580 --> 00:37:15.120
I just left it.

666
00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:17.500
And it was like a few days later when he said, you know,

667
00:37:17.500 --> 00:37:19.060
I can tell there's something different about you

668
00:37:19.060 --> 00:37:21.900
because you didn't get mad at me about that.

669
00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:24.460
Because normally I'd be like, why did you do that?

670
00:37:24.460 --> 00:37:25.960
You said you wanted to lose weight.

671
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.260
Why are you eating the whole tub of ice cream?

672
00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:30.100
And I didn't.

673
00:37:30.100 --> 00:37:34.220
You're providing him a safe place to be himself.

674
00:37:34.220 --> 00:37:36.780
And when he feels safe, then he can,

675
00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:38.540
then he's like, oh, if I feel safe now,

676
00:37:38.540 --> 00:37:39.960
I can feel safe to change.

677
00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:41.700
Yeah. Yeah.

678
00:37:41.700 --> 00:37:42.780
If he changes.

679
00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:43.620
That's huge.

680
00:37:43.620 --> 00:37:44.440
And it's hard.

681
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.260
It's hard to be in the place where you're at.

682
00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:48.660
It's hard to be that safe place for someone else,

683
00:37:48.660 --> 00:37:53.420
especially if it triggers a wound in ourselves that,

684
00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:56.380
and I'm not saying that,

685
00:37:56.380 --> 00:37:59.460
I'm not saying that you have a wound in this area.

686
00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:01.620
I'm just, it's just something that came to mind

687
00:38:01.620 --> 00:38:04.060
that that is one of the reasons why it's hard

688
00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:06.460
to be a safe place for someone else is,

689
00:38:06.460 --> 00:38:07.940
especially if the play,

690
00:38:07.940 --> 00:38:10.940
the area in which they need to feel safe and not judged

691
00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:14.940
is an area in which we're easily triggered

692
00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:19.020
because that's where our judgment comes from

693
00:38:19.020 --> 00:38:21.540
is a place in which we hold ourselves

694
00:38:21.540 --> 00:38:22.620
to a particular standard.

695
00:38:22.620 --> 00:38:24.420
And it's a judgment that we hold about life

696
00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:25.500
and we hold about ourselves.

697
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:28.780
And then we have this mirror judgment against someone else.

698
00:38:28.780 --> 00:38:31.460
So anyway, but so my point is to commend you.

699
00:38:31.460 --> 00:38:33.100
That's huge.

700
00:38:33.100 --> 00:38:34.240
Oh, is that kind of like,

701
00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:36.300
I would judge myself for doing that.

702
00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:37.780
So it's kind of like I'm judging him

703
00:38:37.780 --> 00:38:39.940
because I would judge myself?

704
00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:41.860
No, it's not even necessarily,

705
00:38:41.860 --> 00:38:43.900
it doesn't necessarily have to be a,

706
00:38:43.900 --> 00:38:46.780
okay, so yes, but it doesn't have to be a judgment

707
00:38:46.780 --> 00:38:48.260
in that exact same area.

708
00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:49.900
So it doesn't have to be a judgment

709
00:38:49.900 --> 00:38:51.580
as far as like you're thinking,

710
00:38:51.580 --> 00:38:55.780
oh, well, is that like, well, yeah,

711
00:38:55.780 --> 00:38:59.420
I get upset for how, for with myself

712
00:38:59.420 --> 00:39:03.260
and hold myself in judgment against how I,

713
00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:05.100
how I interact with food.

714
00:39:05.100 --> 00:39:07.300
It doesn't have to be in the same area.

715
00:39:07.300 --> 00:39:09.940
It's because what's going on

716
00:39:09.940 --> 00:39:13.040
is deeper than his relationship with food.

717
00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:16.400
It's a wound that he has that he is,

718
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.000
that he is trying to cope with

719
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.960
through his relationship with food.

720
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.120
He could have chosen relationship with something else,

721
00:39:25.120 --> 00:39:27.320
but he's choosing it as a relationship with food.

722
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.960
And so the trigger,

723
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.700
it can just trigger something in us

724
00:39:32.700 --> 00:39:35.720
where we hold ourselves to a particular standard

725
00:39:35.720 --> 00:39:38.800
in a particular amount of discipline in our lives,

726
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.160
something somewhere, and it doesn't have to be food,

727
00:39:41.160 --> 00:39:44.800
something somewhere in which we've had to work hard

728
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.880
to be where we are and to make sure that we stay there

729
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:50.160
and they're not working hard.

730
00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:51.480
They're not doing what they have to do

731
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.200
and being disciplined enough to do it.

732
00:39:53.200 --> 00:39:55.160
So it doesn't have to be in the same area.

733
00:39:55.160 --> 00:39:58.480
It's just triggering a general judgment

734
00:39:58.480 --> 00:39:59.920
that we have about life.

735
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:06.960
that we're seeing them fall short of our own standard. And if we're working so hard to do it,

736
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.480
it can, we can just hold other people in judgment that they're not doing what they have to do

737
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:18.960
in order to get there. So to provide someone else a safe place comes from us putting on our own

738
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:26.880
oxygen mask first by providing ourselves a safe place in which to be free of our own judgment.

739
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:34.160
That makes sense because I think, yeah, like I've worked hard to get where I am. I don't,

740
00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:38.080
I don't do stuff like that. I don't overeat. I don't overindulge. I don't drink a whole lot

741
00:40:38.080 --> 00:40:41.920
or anything. Like I might have a glass of wine every once in a while, but not very much.

742
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:47.360
And he'll like go out and spend $50 at the liquor store and buy a bunch of beer and wine. He'll eat

743
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:52.880
the whole thing of ice cream. He's like, like I would get irked every time he brought an LCBO,

744
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:59.280
which is our Canadian version of the liquor stores, like a liquor store bag home. And I'm

745
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:03.680
like, Oh, you did it again. Like, and I noticed that I was getting frustrated, but I think it's

746
00:41:03.680 --> 00:41:09.040
probably it's so true what you say. Cause I feel like it's well, I work hard to stay as fit as I

747
00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:14.800
can. I mean, there's always room for improvement, but I work hard. I, you know, I work hard to have

748
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:22.640
a healthy body and a healthy mind. And so I'm very judgmental against him when he says he wants to

749
00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:28.160
lose weight or wants to eat healthy. And then he falls off the wagon every weekend. So, and he's a

750
00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:34.240
great guy. Like it's, he's got so many amazing qualities, but it's just that one bothers me a

751
00:41:34.240 --> 00:41:40.240
lot. Cause then I don't trust him. I don't trust his word. I don't trust that he is going to follow

752
00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:45.760
through on what he says. And I don't know why that's a trigger for me, but I'm like, so I've

753
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:53.600
been noticing it lately and I thought, well, why am I so concerned about that? And why do I let it

754
00:41:53.600 --> 00:42:00.320
bother me so much? And I wondered if it even came down to like some codependence on like, almost

755
00:42:02.240 --> 00:42:05.760
like some, I don't, I couldn't explain it. You explained it really well with

756
00:42:06.720 --> 00:42:12.240
what you just said about like the judgment thing, but I couldn't understand why I was sort of

757
00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:17.200
having these accusations against him when it's not my place, it's not my right and why it was

758
00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:23.600
irking me because it's obviously like a trigger that comes from somewhere. So yeah, I was playing

759
00:42:23.600 --> 00:42:28.240
around with that a lot too, and just really trying to lay it to rest and just leave it up to God.

760
00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:35.680
Yeah. Yeah. We can feel everything that you said, you know, to be able, like I said, you're always

761
00:42:36.240 --> 00:42:44.960
very, very amazingly insightful and self-aware. You pinpointed it when you were talking about

762
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:50.880
the fact that, you know, it makes me feel like I can't trust his word. And while we desire

763
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:57.760
something for someone else, when we find that they're sharing something important with us about

764
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:03.600
how they want to change and whatever, and then we watch themselves do what in our minds feels like

765
00:43:03.600 --> 00:43:10.880
as continuing to do the same thing and damage themselves, we can, excuse me, because of the

766
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.960
choices that they're making, not because of they're eating something, but they're like,

767
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:20.320
you're thinking, oh my word, this is the choice. We can feel the reason that we get upset. We think

768
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:26.000
that it's a loving thing. We think that, well, it's because I care so much about them, but it

769
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:30.800
really deep down, even though, yes, we do really, really care about them. And yes, that is part of

770
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:38.800
the struggle. Really deep down, we feel threatened. We feel personally threatened by their action,

771
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.840
whether it be because we hold ourselves to a particular judgment, you know, and particular

772
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:49.280
standard and it's being mirrored in how we're judging them. But also like what you said,

773
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:54.240
I feel like I can't trust him. Here's another affirmation. And this is a trigger. And so it's

774
00:43:54.240 --> 00:44:02.640
so funny how one thing here is actually really, this is the problem. And so often, you know,

775
00:44:02.640 --> 00:44:07.680
until we wouldn't normally, until we follow that trail, we wouldn't realize that that's

776
00:44:07.680 --> 00:44:12.800
actually the connection because it seems so, it doesn't, it doesn't seem obvious.

777
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.200
You know, it doesn't seem directly related to the food. It doesn't seem directly related to

778
00:44:17.200 --> 00:44:21.440
the ice cream. It's, but I feel like I can't trust you. If I can't trust you in this, what

779
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:26.880
else can I trust you with? And our mind just starts going and our emotions start going in

780
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.240
because it's the trigger to all this other stuff that we've shoved up under the rug,

781
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:36.080
not just in our interaction with that person as an individual, but all of these things that we

782
00:44:36.080 --> 00:44:41.520
have that have piled up under this rug. But that is just another affirmation of, you know, that

783
00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:47.440
maybe started when we were three or five, I can't trust people when they, you know, in my interactions

784
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.400
with them, I don't feel safe with someone else that when I really need them, they're not going

785
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:58.880
to be there. You know, our mind just takes the ice cream and just goes there or our emotions go,

786
00:44:58.880 --> 00:44:59.920
even without us consciously.

787
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:06.720
realizing it. So yeah, we can feel, we can feel kind of threatened by that. Another thing to

788
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:15.200
is that when people do stuff like that, there's, you know, you say that, that he's a, he's a,

789
00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:20.960
you know, just a wonderful, really, really good guy. He might have to work very hard at that

790
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.440
because his own judgment against stuff. Oh, I have to work really hard. I have to be really

791
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:32.960
disciplined. And this is an area of release. Because everything he's working, all of his

792
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.520
effort and energy is going to hold everything else together. Because again, according to the tree of

793
00:45:37.520 --> 00:45:42.080
the knowledge of good and evil, we can think, and I'm not declaring this over him. I'm saying that

794
00:45:42.080 --> 00:45:47.760
this is a pattern of what you do, of what I do, of what other people do. When we have these,

795
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.160
when we have these addictions or these struggles or these coping mechanisms,

796
00:45:52.160 --> 00:45:57.680
it's a sense of release for a wound that we feel somewhere. And that's the area in which we allow

797
00:45:57.680 --> 00:46:05.760
ourselves to not have to hold it together or to release it for a little bit. And so if we think,

798
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:12.640
oh, I have to be into all of these things and all these other areas, we, we all pick our vices.

799
00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:18.160
We all pick something that doesn't seem as bad as all these other things that we feel that we can't

800
00:46:18.160 --> 00:46:22.720
let go of, because we think these are really bad to let go of. These are really bad to not,

801
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.760
you know, to make sure that we hold it all together. And so I'm going to pick what I think is a,

802
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:38.800
is a way that I can give myself comfort, relief. And it's because this is a lesser sin. That's

803
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:44.480
what we think of in our minds. Or, you know, some people go to pornography, some people go to,

804
00:46:45.120 --> 00:46:51.200
um, uh, you know, drinking a lot. Some people go to, um, addictions of, uh, in, in, in friendships.

805
00:46:51.200 --> 00:46:55.440
I mean, it could be all kinds of things that we pick something that we think we can hide

806
00:46:56.560 --> 00:47:03.040
or, and that will do the least amount of damage. So we're balancing the greatest amount of relief

807
00:47:03.040 --> 00:47:07.840
that we feel that we can get without offsetting the balance too much of like creating too much

808
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.400
damage that we're going to have to then, um, that we're then going to have to deal with.

809
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:21.240
So, and maybe, maybe he's picked food. I did. Um, I, I've struggled with, with food. Um, uh,

810
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:30.880
started in high school in the end, and then I lost a lot of weight and then I gained 40 pounds

811
00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:38.000
in, uh, let's see how fast was that? It was very fast. This is why I needed, I need to count it

812
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:43.760
because it was, it was pretty fast. It was like, uh, September, October, November, December,

813
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:51.920
January, February. Okay. So within six months I had gained 40 pounds and then I lost it all

814
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.560
that summer or lost 30 pounds that summer. I don't remember how that worked. And then

815
00:47:56.560 --> 00:48:00.880
I gained it over, over, I don't know, year, year and a half. I gained it all back.

816
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:06.160
And then I slowly lost it all because then I began to actually have to deal with the root

817
00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:11.680
issue of why I was using food as a coping mechanism for other areas of my life that I

818
00:48:11.680 --> 00:48:16.960
was working so hard to hold together. So I happen to have dealt with the exact same, uh, the exact,

819
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:23.920
having to make the choice that maybe your husband has of all the things that we can choose from.

820
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:32.800
We choose food because it seems more socially acceptable way of struggling. Um, while pornography

821
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.200
can be hidden is some people choose that. And some people choose other things that are much

822
00:48:37.200 --> 00:48:42.160
more obvious. So in order to avoid the obvious ones, we'll take something that's a lot more

823
00:48:42.160 --> 00:48:49.920
socially acceptable anyway. So just FYI, it can be an indication that he's, um, that he's, um,

824
00:48:50.720 --> 00:48:54.880
struggling on to hold everything together when we're learning according to the tree of life,

825
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.040
we no longer have to hold it together. But if he feels that he does, everything has to be tried

826
00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:02.960
for everything has to be worked for instead of everything has to be arrested in, then we're going

827
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:08.320
to try to find an area of relief for ourselves somewhere. So sometimes understanding that gives

828
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.280
us compassion for someone to realize, Oh, they're not trying to do something bad. They're not trying

829
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:17.840
to do something wrong and they don't like this about them, but they feel they have to hold

830
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:23.920
everything together. Anyway, those are just some ideas and some thoughts that sometimes people do

831
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:31.440
what they do. Yeah. And I mean, I think like, it's almost like, how do you, how do you support

832
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:38.960
someone who is going through a situation? Like my, my come from lately, which has not always been

833
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:45.760
this way, but lately I'm like, just kind of letting him make his choices and not commenting a whole

834
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:51.440
lot because I don't think it's helpful and just letting him be and whatever happens happens. But

835
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:59.760
I mean, I pray for him and all of that, like what would be the best way to support someone who is

836
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.440
constantly choosing something

837
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.360
that you don't really agree with?

838
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.620
Well, it's making them a,

839
00:50:08.580 --> 00:50:13.580
it's what I always go back to

840
00:50:13.900 --> 00:50:17.660
and it sounds so conceptual and theoretical

841
00:50:17.660 --> 00:50:20.700
and I try as much as possible to do what Amy says,

842
00:50:20.700 --> 00:50:22.240
put legs and feet to the thing.

843
00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:26.780
So I'm gonna start conceptual and we'll work our way down.

844
00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:30.160
But that is to talk to their identity

845
00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:32.120
and it doesn't mean telling somebody,

846
00:50:32.120 --> 00:50:33.880
oh no, you're this and you're this.

847
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.880
It doesn't mean always like declaring it out loud.

848
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.320
It means putting on our own oxygen mask first,

849
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.280
realizing this is who we are in the spirit

850
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:43.680
and then if we realize,

851
00:50:43.680 --> 00:50:45.240
oh my word, this is who I am in the spirit,

852
00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:49.800
meaning that the others who are believers,

853
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.200
they're one with the Lord and the spirit like that

854
00:50:52.200 --> 00:50:53.960
and they're like this too

855
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.520
and always interacting with them in the spirit

856
00:50:56.540 --> 00:50:58.980
as opposed to interacting with the person,

857
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:01.420
the broken person that they think that they are.

858
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.900
And then that what they will begin to do

859
00:51:05.900 --> 00:51:08.520
is instead of talking to this person,

860
00:51:08.520 --> 00:51:10.240
talking to this person,

861
00:51:10.240 --> 00:51:12.060
because you're up here and you're talking to them

862
00:51:12.060 --> 00:51:13.700
in their spirit as opposed to them in their soul

863
00:51:13.700 --> 00:51:15.540
and they think that they're the person

864
00:51:15.540 --> 00:51:17.340
that they're presenting to you in their soul.

865
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:18.980
You always talk to this person.

866
00:51:18.980 --> 00:51:21.980
They naturally, it's almost like they hear their name

867
00:51:21.980 --> 00:51:26.440
for the first time because you're saying their name.

868
00:51:27.260 --> 00:51:29.060
So to speak, in the spirit, you're saying their name.

869
00:51:29.060 --> 00:51:30.900
They're like, that is my name,

870
00:51:30.900 --> 00:51:32.620
but I didn't know that was my name

871
00:51:32.620 --> 00:51:35.100
and no one's ever called me by that before.

872
00:51:35.100 --> 00:51:39.180
It's like they hear themselves acknowledged and recognized

873
00:51:39.180 --> 00:51:41.980
and they suddenly see, yeah, that is who I am

874
00:51:41.980 --> 00:51:45.020
and they make a choice of their own intention

875
00:51:45.020 --> 00:51:50.020
to rise, to believe that that is who they are

876
00:51:50.020 --> 00:51:52.780
and then once they believe that that's who they are,

877
00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:55.220
they'll start acting like it without trying anymore.

878
00:51:55.220 --> 00:51:57.880
This person down here has to try to be this person,

879
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.360
but if they believe that they're this person

880
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.480
because this is the person that you are acknowledging,

881
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.120
then they'll naturally over time rise to that

882
00:52:07.120 --> 00:52:08.760
because they want to,

883
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.120
because, sorry,

884
00:52:17.120 --> 00:52:20.760
I hope that hopefully that makes sense.

885
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.880
I've got more I could say about that,

886
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:26.220
but that's basically the thing.

887
00:52:26.220 --> 00:52:31.060
So if you're always talking to this person, they feel safe

888
00:52:31.060 --> 00:52:33.820
and I don't mean just in situations related to food.

889
00:52:33.820 --> 00:52:36.580
I mean, in every situation that they just know

890
00:52:36.580 --> 00:52:38.980
that them themselves, their identity,

891
00:52:38.980 --> 00:52:43.220
the choices that they make, that they are supported

892
00:52:43.220 --> 00:52:45.620
and they are loved because of who they are,

893
00:52:45.620 --> 00:52:47.900
not because of the choices that they make,

894
00:52:47.900 --> 00:52:49.460
not because they made a good choice

895
00:52:49.460 --> 00:52:51.060
or they made a bad choice,

896
00:52:51.080 --> 00:52:53.120
and that's the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

897
00:52:53.120 --> 00:52:56.040
It's holding judgments and standards

898
00:52:56.040 --> 00:52:58.960
of saying this one's good and this one's evil and whatever,

899
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.360
but just the acknowledgement of the very identity

900
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:05.840
of who someone is, not who they think they are

901
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.680
and the choices that they make as a result,

902
00:53:07.680 --> 00:53:10.040
but that they're loved because of who it is that they are

903
00:53:10.040 --> 00:53:12.480
and they're supported because of who it is that they are

904
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.580
and they're viewed like that all the time,

905
00:53:15.660 --> 00:53:19.040
then they will naturally start to believe that's who they are

906
00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:21.300
and then choices in various areas of their life,

907
00:53:21.300 --> 00:53:24.820
whether it be food or whatever, will begin to shift

908
00:53:25.660 --> 00:53:27.620
because it's more than just addressing it.

909
00:53:27.620 --> 00:53:30.140
And I think that the, not the damage,

910
00:53:34.140 --> 00:53:39.140
the mistake that we make is trying

911
00:53:39.140 --> 00:53:44.140
to too directly address a particular issue,

912
00:53:44.220 --> 00:53:47.780
a particular choice, a particular area of someone's life

913
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.120
that we think is the problem because that's not the problem.

914
00:53:52.120 --> 00:53:56.880
The problem is something that's going on in their life

915
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:58.640
and that's where it's showing up.

916
00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:02.120
So if we deal with that one, it can just bring hurt

917
00:54:02.120 --> 00:54:04.880
because it's dealing with the symptom.

918
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.720
And if we deal with that symptom,

919
00:54:06.720 --> 00:54:08.920
there's still an issue there

920
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:12.340
and it's going to try to find another method of escape.

921
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.760
So if there's like too much water or whatever

922
00:54:17.300 --> 00:54:19.780
in like the body, it's going to like bow out

923
00:54:19.780 --> 00:54:23.180
in a particular area and be like, no, no, no, go back in.

924
00:54:23.180 --> 00:54:25.100
The water still has to go somewhere.

925
00:54:25.100 --> 00:54:27.800
So it's going to find another area.

926
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.540
But if you actually drain it from the body itself,

927
00:54:31.540 --> 00:54:33.220
and then start drawing it from the body,

928
00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:35.820
then this area will naturally move in.

929
00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:38.460
And any other areas where the water is trying to,

930
00:54:38.460 --> 00:54:40.580
is kind of like bowing out the skin or whatever,

931
00:54:40.580 --> 00:54:42.020
that's going to pull in as well

932
00:54:42.020 --> 00:54:44.060
because it's dealing with the root issue.

933
00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:50.040
And it makes someone more likely to change

934
00:54:50.600 --> 00:54:53.840
because they made the choice for themselves.

935
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:58.160
They didn't feel bullied into it or not in,

936
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.000
not enough for someone else.

937
00:55:05.620 --> 00:55:08.980
And so, or for the Lord or whatever.

938
00:55:08.980 --> 00:55:11.380
And so they, again, do the same thing that they've done

939
00:55:11.380 --> 00:55:12.700
in every other area of their life,

940
00:55:12.700 --> 00:55:15.260
which is, I'm gonna try really hard

941
00:55:15.260 --> 00:55:19.420
and pull myself back in in this area.

942
00:55:19.420 --> 00:55:21.820
It actually deals with the root issue of the problem

943
00:55:21.820 --> 00:55:24.120
and it actually takes care of it effortlessly.

944
00:55:25.180 --> 00:55:27.020
So that's how we do it.

945
00:55:27.020 --> 00:55:28.540
That's how I do it with all of my clients

946
00:55:28.540 --> 00:55:30.140
and that's how they shifted

947
00:55:30.140 --> 00:55:32.460
is I just provide that safe place for them

948
00:55:32.460 --> 00:55:34.540
and they do it themselves

949
00:55:34.540 --> 00:55:36.500
as opposed to addressing specific issues

950
00:55:36.500 --> 00:55:39.980
like, oh, you need to fix this one, you need to fix this one.

951
00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:41.580
So then, like, is there,

952
00:55:42.940 --> 00:55:44.460
do you think about something

953
00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:46.900
before you address somebody in the spirit

954
00:55:46.900 --> 00:55:50.540
or do you envision something or,

955
00:55:50.540 --> 00:55:51.500
like, I'm just thinking,

956
00:55:51.500 --> 00:55:54.300
if I was gonna talk to somebody in the spirit

957
00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:57.020
and see their spirit self instead of their soul,

958
00:55:57.860 --> 00:55:58.700
I'm very visual.

959
00:55:58.700 --> 00:56:03.540
I'd almost feel like I need to either picture something

960
00:56:03.540 --> 00:56:07.900
or, like, see an aura around them or, like,

961
00:56:07.900 --> 00:56:10.940
and then how does that sound different?

962
00:56:10.940 --> 00:56:12.340
I mean, it wouldn't sound condemning,

963
00:56:12.340 --> 00:56:13.860
but how does it sound different

964
00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:16.060
when you're talking to somebody in the spirit

965
00:56:16.060 --> 00:56:17.340
versus the soul?

966
00:56:19.220 --> 00:56:22.300
Well, one thing before I forget

967
00:56:22.300 --> 00:56:25.180
talking about the first question that you asked just now

968
00:56:25.220 --> 00:56:28.060
is, like, if you're visual and all of that

969
00:56:31.100 --> 00:56:34.180
goes back to the same thing

970
00:56:34.180 --> 00:56:38.220
of putting on your own oxygen mask first

971
00:56:38.220 --> 00:56:42.220
is instead of projecting out,

972
00:56:43.180 --> 00:56:44.860
and which I'm excited to tell you this

973
00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:46.460
because you're gonna be more likely

974
00:56:46.460 --> 00:56:48.260
to understand this explanation

975
00:56:48.260 --> 00:56:50.340
than other people that I visit with

976
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:52.860
because you're so spiritually aware.

977
00:56:52.860 --> 00:56:54.980
Instead of projecting out and thinking,

978
00:56:55.780 --> 00:56:57.340
okay, that person's there.

979
00:56:57.340 --> 00:57:01.940
I'm sending my, I don't know, like my sonar out

980
00:57:01.940 --> 00:57:04.620
and trying to get an understanding of what's going on

981
00:57:04.620 --> 00:57:07.300
and whatever, and what is my response and reaction to it?

982
00:57:07.300 --> 00:57:11.100
Instead, it's almost like you pull yourself in

983
00:57:11.100 --> 00:57:13.500
and you start and you see, okay,

984
00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:18.940
and you get a good visual, an internal spiritual visual,

985
00:57:18.940 --> 00:57:22.220
not necessarily in the mind because that'll come later.

986
00:57:22.220 --> 00:57:26.420
You get an internal spiritual kind of sense

987
00:57:26.420 --> 00:57:28.940
of what is going on in the spirit,

988
00:57:28.940 --> 00:57:30.820
who you are, who Christ is.

989
00:57:30.820 --> 00:57:32.300
And therefore, if that's who you are

990
00:57:32.300 --> 00:57:33.580
and that's who Christ is,

991
00:57:33.580 --> 00:57:35.980
because if you're in Christ,

992
00:57:35.980 --> 00:57:38.740
then Christ is our righteousness.

993
00:57:38.740 --> 00:57:40.540
We are, we're holy.

994
00:57:40.540 --> 00:57:43.260
We have access to know all things.

995
00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:45.580
We have access to have all wisdom.

996
00:57:45.580 --> 00:57:47.780
Everything that can be said of Christ can be said of us.

997
00:57:47.780 --> 00:57:48.620
And if that is true,

998
00:57:48.620 --> 00:57:50.900
then we know that that is the person that we're looking at.

999
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:53.500
We're looking at a person who is the exact same

1000
00:57:53.500 --> 00:57:55.900
as everything else that I've now realized

1001
00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:58.100
and shifted into is true about me

1002
00:57:58.100 --> 00:58:00.500
because I know, and how do I know that?

1003
00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:02.660
Because of what God says about himself.

1004
00:58:02.660 --> 00:58:06.660
What God says about himself, I can remember those things,

1005
00:58:06.660 --> 00:58:07.980
that is true about me,

1006
00:58:07.980 --> 00:58:09.660
then that is true about that person.

1007
00:58:09.660 --> 00:58:10.980
And then interact with that.

1008
00:58:10.980 --> 00:58:13.620
Now you'll see them differently

1009
00:58:13.620 --> 00:58:17.300
because you see, so we have to see ourselves that way.

1010
00:58:17.300 --> 00:58:18.500
And when we see ourselves that way,

1011
00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:20.860
we naturally see the other person that way.

1012
00:58:21.740 --> 00:58:23.980
What is really, really hard to do

1013
00:58:23.980 --> 00:58:28.980
is to do what people are always asking.

1014
00:58:29.220 --> 00:58:31.700
Yeah, but Ashley, how do I see the other person like that?

1015
00:58:31.700 --> 00:58:33.700
If you see yourself properly,

1016
00:58:33.700 --> 00:58:35.340
you see the other person properly.

1017
00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:38.460
Effortlessly, because you're one with Christ

1018
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:39.340
and they're one with Christ

1019
00:58:39.340 --> 00:58:40.700
and whatever you can say about Christ,

1020
00:58:40.700 --> 00:58:41.540
you can say about you

1021
00:58:41.540 --> 00:58:44.580
and whatever you can say about Christ,

1022
00:58:44.580 --> 00:58:45.580
you can say about them.

1023
00:58:45.580 --> 00:58:48.620
So it's killing two birds with one stone.

1024
00:58:48.620 --> 00:58:49.780
What's really difficult

1025
00:58:49.780 --> 00:58:53.340
is if we don't see ourselves that way in the moment,

1026
00:58:53.340 --> 00:58:54.460
I'm not talking about in general.

1027
00:58:54.460 --> 00:58:55.980
Oh yeah, of course I know that about me.

1028
00:58:55.980 --> 00:58:58.420
No, we have to see that about ourselves

1029
00:58:58.420 --> 00:59:00.340
and we see that about ourselves in that time.

1030
00:59:00.340 --> 00:59:01.500
And when we do,

1031
00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:04.100
we will naturally see the other person like that

1032
00:59:04.100 --> 00:59:05.980
because we don't have a tendency

1033
00:59:06.940 --> 00:59:10.700
to be shifted into the spirit, one with Christ.

1034
00:59:10.700 --> 00:59:12.340
I know that I'm fully righteous.

1035
00:59:12.340 --> 00:59:13.820
I know that I'm holy.

1036
00:59:13.820 --> 00:59:15.220
I know all of these things about me.

1037
00:59:15.220 --> 00:59:16.780
I always make the, you know, in the Lord,

1038
00:59:16.820 --> 00:59:18.740
I always make the right choice, et cetera.

1039
00:59:18.740 --> 00:59:20.500
But so-and-so doesn't.

1040
00:59:20.500 --> 00:59:23.460
So-and-so, you know, they're not one with Christ

1041
00:59:23.460 --> 00:59:26.060
and they're a lower spirit.

1042
00:59:26.060 --> 00:59:26.980
We don't see them.

1043
00:59:26.980 --> 00:59:29.460
Once we see ourselves like that,

1044
00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:32.260
we see everyone like that.

1045
00:59:32.260 --> 00:59:33.780
But if we don't see ourselves like that,

1046
00:59:33.780 --> 00:59:36.460
we're trying to figure out how do I see this person?

1047
00:59:36.460 --> 00:59:39.980
And it's really hard to see them in any other way

1048
00:59:39.980 --> 00:59:41.940
when we haven't shifted into it ourselves.

1049
00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:44.020
It's very hard to see someone in any other way

1050
00:59:44.020 --> 00:59:45.860
than how they're presenting themselves

1051
00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:48.580
because what we've done is we've reached out

1052
00:59:48.580 --> 00:59:52.700
and used them as a way to trigger us how I should see them.

1053
00:59:53.700 --> 00:59:56.540
And we don't need to use them as a standard

1054
00:59:56.540 --> 01:00:01.540
and as a trigger of how we should see them.

1055
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.240
to see them. And with they don't not they do not need to be the

1056
01:00:04.240 --> 01:00:07.560
ones to tell us how to view them. God needs to be the one to

1057
01:00:07.560 --> 01:00:12.040
tell us how to view them. That's why I say pull yourself in. And

1058
01:00:12.040 --> 01:00:15.920
once you do that, it will it's automatic. And you don't have to

1059
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:16.440
try.

1060
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:21.240
It kind of reminds me of, like, you know, love, love your

1061
01:00:21.240 --> 01:00:25.440
neighbor as yourself. And how it's really hard to love your

1062
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.160
neighbor. If you don't love yourself, if you don't see

1063
01:00:27.160 --> 01:00:29.640
yourself that way, it's hard to see someone else that way.

1064
01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:33.480
Correct. Yeah, that's interesting. So and it's very

1065
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.280
counter because we're always taught by the world knows

1066
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.920
everybody else that matters and not you and God said, No, if

1067
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:43.360
you acknowledge who it is that you are, and who it is that I've

1068
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.240
said that you are, by acknowledging first who it is

1069
01:00:46.240 --> 01:00:50.080
that I, I say that I am, if we acknowledge that God is who he

1070
01:00:50.080 --> 01:00:52.640
says that he is, we will effortlessly see ourselves like

1071
01:00:52.640 --> 01:00:57.360
that. So it all starts with how we view God, what God says about

1072
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:01.360
himself, then the second step is effortlessly because of that,

1073
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.880
effortlessly, we then accepted about ourselves. And then

1074
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.080
effortlessly, we accept that about someone else. It all goes

1075
01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:11.480
back once we take care of who it is that we believe that God is

1076
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:15.120
because he said he says that he is we effortlessly without

1077
01:01:15.120 --> 01:01:17.560
trying to see ourselves that way. And then effortlessly

1078
01:01:17.560 --> 01:01:21.680
without trying to see everybody else that way. It all we have to

1079
01:01:21.680 --> 01:01:23.560
go back to the source. And once we go back to the source, we

1080
01:01:23.560 --> 01:01:27.320
don't have to try for all the subsequent steps. It's just this

1081
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:31.440
it's just this deluge that flows, everything fits into

1082
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:31.960
alignment.

1083
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:36.520
That's so interesting. And that actually makes sense as to why I

1084
01:01:36.520 --> 01:01:39.880
felt that codependence, because with codependence, you're

1085
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:43.520
looking to someone else for validation, affirmation to

1086
01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:48.640
complete you, right? So if I'm looking to God for that, then

1087
01:01:48.640 --> 01:01:52.640
I'm not codependent on another person, which has historically

1088
01:01:52.640 --> 01:01:56.440
been a struggle of mine, right? So I think, if I'm not careful,

1089
01:01:56.440 --> 01:02:00.000
with someone like Jason, I could become codependent on him

1090
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.960
because he's my husband, and because we're so close and all

1091
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:07.440
of that. But if I'm like, really tuned into God and who he says I

1092
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:12.720
am, and not the dependence on another human being, that's a

1093
01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:16.760
beautiful place to be because that that really helps heal that

1094
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:18.040
codependence, right?

1095
01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:22.440
Correct. Exactly. And that's how you provide a safe place for

1096
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.400
someone else, because you're getting everything from the

1097
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.320
Lord, because of who he is, not even because of who he's

1098
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:31.560
declared you to be, like, if we're going further and further

1099
01:02:31.560 --> 01:02:34.640
back into like, where to all of the root of this is, who does

1100
01:02:34.640 --> 01:02:38.520
God declare he is? And then if we get that, we're not, we're

1101
01:02:38.520 --> 01:02:44.200
not threatened by someone else's decisions. And we can provide a

1102
01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:46.800
safe place for them effortlessly, because we see who

1103
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:50.640
it is that they really are. And then once they realize,

1104
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:55.000
especially if they're codependent on our responses to

1105
01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:00.320
them, it's like working with a child, in the fact that if they

1106
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.920
can't choose to rely on God for themselves, and this is what I

1107
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:07.800
do with my clients, if they're learning how to choose that to

1108
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:15.000
rely on God for themselves, that they are that their identity is

1109
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:20.920
declared and defined and described by who he is, if

1110
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:25.040
they're still working towards that, what do I what do I do? I

1111
01:03:25.040 --> 01:03:28.960
start with, okay, if they are looking to, and I don't mean

1112
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:33.120
like this, like, like in a very heavy sense, but I'm just

1113
01:03:33.120 --> 01:03:35.160
talking very generally, because you understand that because

1114
01:03:35.160 --> 01:03:37.720
you've got clients, he would do the same thing. If they're

1115
01:03:37.720 --> 01:03:41.080
looking to me to kind of affirm to them some things like, okay,

1116
01:03:41.080 --> 01:03:43.800
well, how's Ashley interacting with me? Is she answering my

1117
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:48.720
text messages? Is she? Does she make me feel safe? Does she does

1118
01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:51.240
she accept me? Does she not judge me? We're not looking to

1119
01:03:51.240 --> 01:03:53.240
the Lord, we're looking to a person because that's what we're

1120
01:03:53.240 --> 01:03:57.080
used to. So if that's what people are looking at, that's

1121
01:03:57.080 --> 01:03:59.840
what I want to provide for them, instead of always telling them,

1122
01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:02.160
Hey, look, can you stop looking at me and you look at the Lord

1123
01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:04.760
and judging them doesn't know you're doing it all wrong. It's

1124
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:09.000
what it's where they are. So that's okay. So let them know

1125
01:04:09.080 --> 01:04:11.360
that that if this is where they're looking, because God

1126
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.560
does that God puts himself where we're looking. God's like,

1127
01:04:15.560 --> 01:04:18.280
okay, I'm over here. I want you to see me over here. No, Lord, I

1128
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.200
don't see you. Why are you not present yourself to me? I am. I

1129
01:04:21.200 --> 01:04:24.600
am. I'm over here. Okay, fine. If you don't see me, I'll put

1130
01:04:24.600 --> 01:04:27.480
myself here. Okay, now do you see me? Yes. Now I see. Okay, now

1131
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.280
we're gonna walk this way. You know, like, this is where I

1132
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:35.560
really am. Okay, as opposed to, you know, because we're too

1133
01:04:35.560 --> 01:04:39.440
young, we don't know how to make the leap from here to here. So

1134
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:43.000
that eventually, as we spiritually mature, God can talk

1135
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.280
over here, and we're looking for him over here. But because we

1136
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:50.200
know, we know more about the Lord, we know his voice, we can

1137
01:04:50.200 --> 01:04:53.680
hear him in a place we've never looked for him before. We can

1138
01:04:53.680 --> 01:04:56.440
hear him calling from a particular direction, and we can

1139
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:00.080
on our own, find him. And we don't have

1140
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.160
to have him put himself where we're looking,

1141
01:05:02.160 --> 01:05:03.840
like it is if we were a child,

1142
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.440
and walk ourselves over here, walk us over here.

1143
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:08.320
He does that when we're young,

1144
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.800
you know, meaning like spiritually immature,

1145
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:12.440
like, you know, even at our age,

1146
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.560
you know, if we're spiritually immature in certain areas,

1147
01:05:14.560 --> 01:05:17.240
he will put himself where we're looking for him.

1148
01:05:17.240 --> 01:05:18.800
And so he's a very loving father.

1149
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:19.800
He wants us to see him.

1150
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:21.440
He wants us to find him.

1151
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:22.600
So it's the same thing.

1152
01:05:22.600 --> 01:05:25.440
If we're looking like our father,

1153
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.260
if God wants us to look like him to other people

1154
01:05:28.260 --> 01:05:31.580
and present the invisible God to other people,

1155
01:05:31.580 --> 01:05:33.940
what does we, it means that we're gonna act

1156
01:05:33.940 --> 01:05:35.140
and interact with other people

1157
01:05:35.140 --> 01:05:37.020
the way that he interacts with us,

1158
01:05:37.020 --> 01:05:40.820
which is if we're insisting on looking this direction,

1159
01:05:40.820 --> 01:05:42.660
and he puts himself there,

1160
01:05:42.660 --> 01:05:44.980
we can put ourselves there with other people.

1161
01:05:44.980 --> 01:05:46.620
That's where they're looking,

1162
01:05:46.620 --> 01:05:48.220
as opposed to judging them that,

1163
01:05:48.220 --> 01:05:50.300
well, you should be more spiritually mature than that.

1164
01:05:50.300 --> 01:05:51.700
You should see me over here.

1165
01:05:51.700 --> 01:05:52.540
You should see this truth.

1166
01:05:52.540 --> 01:05:54.580
No, no, they're looking here.

1167
01:05:54.580 --> 01:05:56.700
So put ourselves there.

1168
01:05:56.700 --> 01:05:59.620
So that's the whole thing with like,

1169
01:05:59.620 --> 01:06:00.780
making someone feel safe.

1170
01:06:00.780 --> 01:06:03.580
If they're looking for me, looking at me, for instance,

1171
01:06:03.580 --> 01:06:05.060
I'm just using this as an example.

1172
01:06:05.060 --> 01:06:06.900
If they're looking at me, whether it be a friend

1173
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:08.540
or whether it be a client or whatever,

1174
01:06:08.540 --> 01:06:11.020
some kind of an affirmation to know,

1175
01:06:11.020 --> 01:06:12.300
Ashley, am I safe?

1176
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:13.620
Ashley, does God love me?

1177
01:06:13.620 --> 01:06:16.340
Ashley does whatever, then I need to show the father.

1178
01:06:16.340 --> 01:06:18.300
This is where they're looking to see the father.

1179
01:06:18.300 --> 01:06:20.980
So I show them the father there.

1180
01:06:20.980 --> 01:06:22.980
And then once they become more and more safe with it

1181
01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:25.520
to be and realize the faithfulness of the father,

1182
01:06:25.520 --> 01:06:27.760
because I'm walking them this way,

1183
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.000
eventually they can hear the Lord for themselves

1184
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:32.500
and find him on their own.

1185
01:06:33.560 --> 01:06:37.000
But I don't condemn them in the beginning

1186
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:39.200
that they're not there yet.

1187
01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:41.040
So that's looking like my father.

1188
01:06:41.040 --> 01:06:42.240
That's what my father does for me.

1189
01:06:42.240 --> 01:06:44.000
So I can provide that for other people

1190
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:44.840
as opposed to thinking,

1191
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:46.680
well, I should be somewhere different.

1192
01:06:46.680 --> 01:06:48.760
They should be more mature than that.

1193
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.680
If God says that he's fine with us being like that

1194
01:06:51.680 --> 01:06:53.640
and he needs us where we are,

1195
01:06:53.640 --> 01:06:56.400
then we can meet other people where they are.

1196
01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:57.400
Yeah.

1197
01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:58.240
Does that make sense?

1198
01:06:58.240 --> 01:06:59.200
That totally makes sense.

1199
01:06:59.200 --> 01:07:00.520
And when you did that little thing,

1200
01:07:00.520 --> 01:07:04.040
that was hilarious because it was so true.

1201
01:07:04.040 --> 01:07:04.880
It's true, isn't it?

1202
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.200
I'm here and you're like, where are you going?

1203
01:07:08.200 --> 01:07:09.280
Why don't you love me?

1204
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.400
I am loving you so much over here.

1205
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:13.580
I love that.

1206
01:07:13.580 --> 01:07:14.760
That's such a great mental picture

1207
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.120
and I'm such a visual person.

1208
01:07:16.120 --> 01:07:16.960
I'll remember that.

1209
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:18.320
That's awesome.

1210
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.320
But yeah, no, that makes sense.

1211
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.240
I appreciate that.

1212
01:07:21.240 --> 01:07:23.600
And I'm gonna reflect on that a lot

1213
01:07:23.600 --> 01:07:24.440
because I feel like,

1214
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.160
so that's another thing with you when we talk,

1215
01:07:26.160 --> 01:07:29.240
I feel like every time we have a conversation,

1216
01:07:29.240 --> 01:07:32.240
I have like a little shift in my perspective of something,

1217
01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:33.160
which I really like

1218
01:07:33.160 --> 01:07:34.880
because I'm all about perspective shifts.

1219
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:36.560
And I think that was something I really missed

1220
01:07:36.560 --> 01:07:39.200
about being in a personal development group

1221
01:07:39.200 --> 01:07:41.240
was like, you're constantly shifting,

1222
01:07:41.240 --> 01:07:42.760
you're constantly understanding.

1223
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:44.840
And so I was like, oh, this is so cool.

1224
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.000
Like just again, it's like another little shift

1225
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:48.880
where I go, oh, okay, well, it's like this

1226
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:50.880
and it's coming through and it's just everything.

1227
01:07:51.520 --> 01:07:54.200
It's just powerful stuff and I love it.

1228
01:07:54.200 --> 01:07:57.880
And yeah, I enjoy the way you articulate it.

1229
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:02.160
And I think, as far as charging,

1230
01:08:02.160 --> 01:08:03.920
like I think that totally makes sense.

1231
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:08.480
I think, I know it's not all about money,

1232
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.200
but in my experience of you and like-

1233
01:08:11.200 --> 01:08:13.280
It's not, that's why I didn't wanna do it.

1234
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.840
I know, but at the same time,

1235
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.880
my thoughts are people appreciate,

1236
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:23.880
I believe people appreciate more what they invest in.

1237
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:25.560
It's like where your treasure is,

1238
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:26.880
where your heart will be also.

1239
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:27.720
Exactly.

1240
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.840
I also feel like you're worth it.

1241
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:35.160
You're worth being compensated for your time,

1242
01:08:35.160 --> 01:08:39.600
being in a place where you're serving somebody,

1243
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.560
but they're also like, it's an exchange.

1244
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.080
And I feel, yeah, I feel like you're worth it.

1245
01:08:45.080 --> 01:08:47.720
And I know you're worth so much more

1246
01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:49.200
than like a dollar figure,

1247
01:08:49.200 --> 01:08:51.640
but it's just the fact that your time,

1248
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:55.000
you're giving so much of your time and energy, right?

1249
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:56.040
So-

1250
01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:57.319
I appreciate that.

1251
01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:58.439
That's very sweet.

1252
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:03.720
Yeah, I just allow the Lord to provide for me

1253
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:06.600
as he wants to.

1254
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:11.600
And so the way that I have been able to charge,

1255
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:14.920
not charge.

1256
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:17.520
Well, the way that I'm charging for,

1257
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.359
I'm starting to charge for the private consultations.

1258
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:25.359
And it's the same thing for the monetary commitment gesture

1259
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:28.680
that I recommend for people,

1260
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.439
because I only require that they get,

1261
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.520
that they do a one cent.

1262
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:35.600
Because I want them to go through a process

1263
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:37.319
where they have to intentionally just,

1264
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:39.960
they have to intentionally go in, go into PayPal,

1265
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:42.960
go find me, go transfer.

1266
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:44.479
But there's something about doing,

1267
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.479
making a connection with your own bank account

1268
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:48.840
and intentionally choosing to transfer something,

1269
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:52.800
transferring even one cent that they made a gesture,

1270
01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:55.920
that they did something for themselves,

1271
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.800
that I am taking an action.

1272
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:06.160
And then, but it's up to the Lord as to how much they do, and everyone pays a different,

1273
01:10:06.160 --> 01:10:13.040
it does a different amount. And so what's helped me with that with the private consultations is

1274
01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:19.920
to realize, okay, I still want to be I still love providing this for people. Because like you said,

1275
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:28.240
so much shifting. In fact, the majority of the shifting happens as a result of private consultations.

1276
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:33.360
And I want to be able to provide that with people because that to people, because that's what's on

1277
01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:42.560
my heart is to help people actually live this, not just feel good about it. So anyway, the

1278
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:49.760
but the private consultations charging for them is a way that people can

1279
01:10:51.440 --> 01:10:56.800
do what they did with the monetary commitment gesture of I'm making an intentional decision

1280
01:10:57.440 --> 01:11:05.440
to, to I'm owning something for myself, Ashley can't fix it. Me talking to Ashley can't fix it

1281
01:11:05.440 --> 01:11:10.640
me hearing something. And that makes me feel better can't shift it. I have got to choose.

1282
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:17.840
This is a I've got to decide this is a choice I am making for my life that I, I want to step

1283
01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:26.160
out in. And I'm just trying to get a bit of clarity or a bit of feel, you know, under just

1284
01:11:26.160 --> 01:11:31.040
remind myself a reminder that I am being supported, I am being supported in the Lord,

1285
01:11:31.040 --> 01:11:35.200
there's someone else out there, he's heard what it is that I'm going through, or whatever. But

1286
01:11:35.200 --> 01:11:41.200
I felt that it was another way that they could actually own their shift. And that's why I wanted

1287
01:11:41.200 --> 01:11:49.760
to start charging for it. And because I had to change my own perspective on it on the charging,

1288
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:54.720
because it just bothered me to charge. But again, there's nothing wrong with it. Because I know that

1289
01:11:54.720 --> 01:12:00.560
because I teach people that that I didn't feel in my spirit, that it was the right time. And I

1290
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:08.000
wanted to see how it went without it. And then over time, you know, as I now have to 19 members,

1291
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:19.520
I think in the 30 day rest intensive. And there are 21 or 22 new members in the five day rest

1292
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:24.640
intensive. That doesn't include all of y'all, you know, several of y'all who are in the 30 day and

1293
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:31.840
then are in the five that are in the five that doesn't even count. It's 21 that is over. That

1294
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:42.560
that is Oh, sorry, are you there? Sorry, I got I got a phone call. And that and I was so excited

1295
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:47.440
because that's what I asked the Lord for. It's like, Lord, I would really like just as many

1296
01:12:48.160 --> 01:12:56.160
in the five day that I already have after after what eight 10 months in the 30 day, that would be

1297
01:12:56.160 --> 01:13:03.360
because I want more people to see this, I want there to be movement. And so anyway, that's the

1298
01:13:03.360 --> 01:13:08.080
way that I've been seeing that the private consultations is to help increase the efficiency

1299
01:13:08.080 --> 01:13:14.080
of it, the effectiveness of it, because people, it allowed people to make more of an intentional

1300
01:13:14.080 --> 01:13:21.680
choice. But I'm sorry, could I put you on hold for just one second? Sorry, just one minute.

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1304
01:14:46.240 --> 01:14:54.480
Hey, oh, hi. Sorry about all the coffee went through me.

1305
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.840
Oh, okay. I thought you maybe needed to get the call but that's okay.

1306
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:12.040
Oh, that's why I was explaining to me, I was like, actually, if there's no need to explain, but it's like, I don't want her to think that you're hanging on just a second. Well, I could take another call. No, no, no. I did text them and said, I'm sorry, I'm on a client call.

1307
01:15:13.080 --> 01:15:19.200
I did do that. But I want you to think that I was leaving you to excuse me just a second while I get with someone else.

1308
01:15:19.400 --> 01:15:26.880
Well, if it was important, I would have totally understood because you know, sometimes those calls come through and you're like, Oh my gosh, I just need to get this. I've been waiting for this call for a while. Yeah, yeah.

1309
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:28.320
It's my mom.

1310
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:45.480
Okay. Yeah, I think I totally understand how you feel that way. Like, is it is it going to be the same type of thing then where people just decide how much they want to give every time they want to have an appointment with you after the four weeks? Or are you going to have a set amount for that?

1311
01:15:46.240 --> 01:15:48.000
That I haven't decided.

1312
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:53.080
I have not decided how how I want to do that. And

1313
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:54.800
I know how I want to do it.

1314
01:15:55.960 --> 01:16:08.840
I want to do it just the way that I've done with them with the other commitment gesture and all of that. And the the one concern that I have is there are

1315
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:17.800
there are several, there are some people that I believe may not. I don't think that that would actually help them own it.

1316
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:34.840
And that's where so much of so much of my time ends up going is in the private consultations. And while I do not mind it, it's just that I've noticed that I noticed for a while I was helping the same people

1317
01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:41.800
and there were other people who needed, who needed help, but the others were filling up my schedule.

1318
01:16:43.200 --> 01:16:49.880
And so that was the that was that was the problem. And it's like, how do I, how do I manage that? And

1319
01:16:51.200 --> 01:16:57.520
because again, the point is, is that the people that were using all my time, they

1320
01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:07.840
weren't shifting very as quickly because they were struggling to own it for themselves. That's my point. It is, if it was effective, hey, that's great.

1321
01:17:08.360 --> 01:17:22.240
There was an element in which they were they were leaning on me and that that's the issue is trying to see, okay, the majority of them, absolutely not. The majority of them owning it for themselves, not, you know, not needing any help.

1322
01:17:23.240 --> 01:17:30.080
But, but the ones that that I've had, I've had a lot of time spent with them.

1323
01:17:31.480 --> 01:17:34.080
Here's the thing. They all know the information.

1324
01:17:35.440 --> 01:17:44.320
They, they're just not doing it. They're not making the choice. And it's like they keep thinking because they hear and we have this tendency, you know,

1325
01:17:44.320 --> 01:17:53.800
if they hear something enough, eventually, it's going to effortlessly change them. And they're just going to suddenly, they're just going to suddenly

1326
01:17:54.560 --> 01:18:07.280
believe a particular way. And it doesn't have to make that they can avoid a painful transition. You're like, no, you still have to make the choice, you know, it's just not going to happen.

1327
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:19.720
That they can avoid a painful transition, like, no, you still have to make the choice. It's all the reasons why you've said no up to this point, still the reason that you now have to say yes.

1328
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:32.760
But so that is that that I'm I'm I'm I'm going back and forth on and some of them that aren't making that that shift. They are

1329
01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:42.520
here. And here's, here's the reason why I brought that up. And here's the reason why I'm going into so much detail with you about this is because I know that

1330
01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:57.240
it is you are in some similar situations with your business. And I just thought that maybe my thought process and my experience might give you like something to chew on and then figure out what you want to do, you know, just kind of like expand. I mean, is this helpful or not?

1331
01:18:58.040 --> 01:19:01.560
It's, it's always helpful to hear your perspective on things because I do

1332
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:10.600
I glean new things just by hearing your perspective. And I mean, there's that. And I also just like getting to know you. So it's

1333
01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:12.200
That's sweet. I appreciate that.

1334
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:14.920
I love that. Thank you.

1335
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:21.080
But yeah, I can. It's almost like, how do you set people up for success to like

1336
01:19:21.120 --> 01:19:21.720
Exactly.

1337
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:23.240
That's my point.

1338
01:19:23.240 --> 01:19:34.880
shifting and yeah, instead of just ruminating or going over the same thing or just gathering the information, but like really seeing that that shift. And it's like, how, how do you do that? It's a

1339
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:51.760
It's tricky. I mean, you've, you've got these, you've got the lessons laid out that gives all the information. So it's like, I don't know what, what have you, your thoughts been around that? Because I feel like that's a really tricky question.

1340
01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:59.720
Yeah, so that's why I want to provide people with with private sessions and why up until up until recently.

1341
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:03.260
because what I've also changed is my, not my policy,

1342
01:20:03.260 --> 01:20:06.180
but is the Marco Polo's as well.

1343
01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:08.100
I still love hearing for everybody.

1344
01:20:08.100 --> 01:20:09.260
That is not a problem.

1345
01:20:09.260 --> 01:20:11.140
Everyone can sell Marco Polo.

1346
01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:13.220
But questions though,

1347
01:20:13.220 --> 01:20:16.900
I want to now go through the group

1348
01:20:16.900 --> 01:20:18.660
as in posting on the group.

1349
01:20:18.660 --> 01:20:20.340
And I answer in the group.

1350
01:20:20.340 --> 01:20:21.260
Yeah.

1351
01:20:21.260 --> 01:20:22.500
As opposed to being so private.

1352
01:20:22.500 --> 01:20:24.420
And then if they really want something private,

1353
01:20:24.420 --> 01:20:27.740
then they can book a private consultation.

1354
01:20:27.740 --> 01:20:29.860
So it's not that I want to be,

1355
01:20:29.860 --> 01:20:31.580
I want to not be in contact with people.

1356
01:20:31.580 --> 01:20:32.580
That isn't it.

1357
01:20:32.580 --> 01:20:35.900
I want to just kind of like help people

1358
01:20:37.140 --> 01:20:41.500
increase the effectiveness of the rest intensive.

1359
01:20:41.500 --> 01:20:43.300
And I'm setting people up, like you said,

1360
01:20:43.300 --> 01:20:45.220
for success as much as possible.

1361
01:20:45.220 --> 01:20:50.220
And I know that it's been in those conversations,

1362
01:20:50.900 --> 01:20:54.220
this Marco Polo's, those private consultations

1363
01:20:54.220 --> 01:20:57.860
where people have shifted,

1364
01:20:57.860 --> 01:21:00.140
have been prompted and triggered,

1365
01:21:01.140 --> 01:21:03.060
regardless of whether it happened in that moment.

1366
01:21:03.060 --> 01:21:06.060
It like it planted a seed that over time

1367
01:21:06.060 --> 01:21:08.900
helped them to really make very major changes

1368
01:21:08.900 --> 01:21:10.500
in their lives.

1369
01:21:10.500 --> 01:21:15.500
And I realized that that came from those times.

1370
01:21:15.540 --> 01:21:17.540
And so that's why I want to offer it to people

1371
01:21:17.540 --> 01:21:20.980
because it helps people put, as Amy says,

1372
01:21:20.980 --> 01:21:23.380
put legs and feet to the teachings.

1373
01:21:24.280 --> 01:21:26.580
And sometimes we don't need a whole,

1374
01:21:26.580 --> 01:21:29.100
especially people have owned the information.

1375
01:21:30.340 --> 01:21:32.300
They just need a little bit of help,

1376
01:21:32.300 --> 01:21:35.300
like, okay, yeah, but how does that actually look like?

1377
01:21:35.300 --> 01:21:36.900
How does that actually look in real life?

1378
01:21:36.900 --> 01:21:39.380
And you actually, yes, you gave lots of examples

1379
01:21:39.380 --> 01:21:41.580
of how it works and looks in real life.

1380
01:21:41.580 --> 01:21:44.900
But in my situation, I can't quite see it.

1381
01:21:44.900 --> 01:21:46.180
And sometimes people just need,

1382
01:21:46.180 --> 01:21:47.660
especially if they've owned it,

1383
01:21:47.660 --> 01:21:49.820
they just need a little bit of help.

1384
01:21:49.820 --> 01:21:53.240
That's why I want to provide, making the connection.

1385
01:21:53.240 --> 01:21:58.240
That's why I want to provide the connection with me

1386
01:22:00.040 --> 01:22:02.360
so that people have the opportunity

1387
01:22:05.240 --> 01:22:07.440
to apply this in their life.

1388
01:22:07.440 --> 01:22:09.940
And as long as it's like this little thing

1389
01:22:09.940 --> 01:22:14.600
that they just need to kind of make the connection

1390
01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:15.420
in their own personal life,

1391
01:22:15.420 --> 01:22:16.680
and then they take it and run with it,

1392
01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:18.820
I am all fine with that.

1393
01:22:18.820 --> 01:22:23.820
The problem came when people just weren't making the choice.

1394
01:22:24.260 --> 01:22:26.500
They weren't doing the hard thing,

1395
01:22:26.500 --> 01:22:28.540
and they kept reaching out.

1396
01:22:28.540 --> 01:22:32.340
And I was hearing the same conversations,

1397
01:22:32.340 --> 01:22:36.100
the same questions, the same frustration,

1398
01:22:36.100 --> 01:22:38.180
and they didn't understand,

1399
01:22:38.180 --> 01:22:41.660
no, because they felt better when they would talk to me,

1400
01:22:41.660 --> 01:22:43.780
but they weren't making the choice.

1401
01:22:43.780 --> 01:22:45.340
We all feel better when we go to a conference.

1402
01:22:45.340 --> 01:22:46.540
We all feel better when you're teaching.

1403
01:22:46.540 --> 01:22:47.900
Oh, my word, that's amazing.

1404
01:22:47.900 --> 01:22:49.300
My eyes are now open,

1405
01:22:49.300 --> 01:22:51.140
but we now have to do something with it,

1406
01:22:51.140 --> 01:22:52.500
and they weren't doing it,

1407
01:22:53.860 --> 01:22:55.140
which is understandable.

1408
01:22:56.260 --> 01:22:58.560
The same reasons why we've said no up to this point

1409
01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.500
are the same reasons that we have to face,

1410
01:23:00.500 --> 01:23:02.780
and only now we have to say yes,

1411
01:23:02.780 --> 01:23:04.380
but we still have to do it.

1412
01:23:05.500 --> 01:23:07.700
The reasons for saying no won't go away.

1413
01:23:09.580 --> 01:23:11.020
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out

1414
01:23:11.020 --> 01:23:13.620
how to set everyone else, everyone up for success.

1415
01:23:13.620 --> 01:23:15.940
I'm still allowing them to answer questions

1416
01:23:15.940 --> 01:23:18.020
or ask questions, but in the group,

1417
01:23:18.020 --> 01:23:20.300
and people will learn from other people.

1418
01:23:20.300 --> 01:23:22.260
They'll also not ask me,

1419
01:23:22.260 --> 01:23:27.260
I won't have as many people asking me the same questions,

1420
01:23:27.940 --> 01:23:31.140
and I also won't have as many people asking me,

1421
01:23:31.140 --> 01:23:33.260
the same person asking me the same,

1422
01:23:33.260 --> 01:23:35.620
bringing the same situation, the same scenario

1423
01:23:35.620 --> 01:23:38.260
over and over and over again in the private consultations,

1424
01:23:38.260 --> 01:23:40.400
because when they have an answer,

1425
01:23:40.400 --> 01:23:41.980
they always have that to go back to.

1426
01:23:41.980 --> 01:23:45.260
Whenever they're struggling with it again, go back to that.

1427
01:23:45.460 --> 01:23:46.820
I'd asked that question before,

1428
01:23:46.820 --> 01:23:48.260
and this is the answer I gave.

1429
01:23:50.020 --> 01:23:51.740
So it was a little more direct as opposed to,

1430
01:23:51.740 --> 01:23:54.700
okay, where in the teaching do I hunt for that?

1431
01:23:54.700 --> 01:23:56.340
I figure it out on my own.

1432
01:23:56.340 --> 01:23:58.620
So this is my next step.

1433
01:23:58.620 --> 01:24:01.340
This is the next thing that I'm now doing,

1434
01:24:01.340 --> 01:24:03.600
and I'm sure that it'll change after this,

1435
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.900
but this is what it's marked into, and this is why.

1436
01:24:06.900 --> 01:24:09.620
So I'm gonna experiment, or not experiment,

1437
01:24:09.620 --> 01:24:13.100
I just put this out, let it be what it is,

1438
01:24:13.100 --> 01:24:16.340
see what happens, that's what I did up to this point,

1439
01:24:16.340 --> 01:24:19.900
now I'm gonna shift, and now see how this works.

1440
01:24:19.900 --> 01:24:23.820
So my whole point in doing this is for it to be effective

1441
01:24:23.820 --> 01:24:25.260
and helpful for other people,

1442
01:24:25.260 --> 01:24:28.100
and I'm trying to hear from so many people,

1443
01:24:28.100 --> 01:24:33.100
or not hear from, but watch what ends up

1444
01:24:33.140 --> 01:24:34.900
being the most effective thing.

1445
01:24:34.900 --> 01:24:37.060
Yeah, well, that makes sense.

1446
01:24:37.060 --> 01:24:39.560
So like the people who went into the five-day,

1447
01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:44.560
did they already give like an offering to God for that,

1448
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:47.360
or are you thinking after the five days

1449
01:24:47.360 --> 01:24:50.600
that they would maybe wanna join the other group?

1450
01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:53.400
Like, what are your thoughts on that one?

1451
01:24:53.400 --> 01:24:55.120
No, I had people make the same,

1452
01:24:55.120 --> 01:24:58.240
I don't know if maybe you saw my post or not.

1453
01:24:58.240 --> 01:25:00.000
I did, and I don't know if I,

1454
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:05.360
quite got I don't know if I quite got what you did though because I knew with us I thought that you

1455
01:25:05.360 --> 01:25:10.800
did get them to make an offering but like so is it just like you're going to kind of do the five day

1456
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:16.480
different times or do you think you just do the five day once and whoever came into it will stay

1457
01:25:16.480 --> 01:25:24.640
in it or do you think you'll offer it again or so um the five day group I think I'm going to close

1458
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:28.800
down um I told everyone that they that it the group will be open and the recordings will be

1459
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:35.680
available through the end of this week so through uh tomorrow night um if I'm going to change that

1460
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:40.160
give people a little more time I'm going to have to think about that because again my whole point

1461
01:25:40.160 --> 01:25:46.400
is what's going to be effective for other people um I don't I don't really know what I'm going to

1462
01:25:46.400 --> 01:25:52.880
do there but I but my um all I did is I just I did the same thing with this five day that I did

1463
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:57.680
with April intensive when I shifted from one-on-one to group I'm like okay here's an idea let me do

1464
01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:01.840
it and let me see what happens I didn't put a whole lot of thought and plan into it at least

1465
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:07.760
when I offered it when I put it out and posted it publicly in my room here we go we'll see um

1466
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.560
and and I knew that I would learn like with the April intensive I'd learn while I was going

1467
01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:17.760
through it okay what am I liking what what do I want to change how are things looking um

1468
01:26:18.480 --> 01:26:23.760
and so I had everyone do the same monetary commitment I had people do three things

1469
01:26:24.320 --> 01:26:29.360
only realize that they um owned their own relationship the lord and that they'd be serious

1470
01:26:30.160 --> 01:26:37.040
not and I very mentioned very specifically uh not that they were looking from to to not that that

1471
01:26:37.040 --> 01:26:42.080
the this five-day rest intensive was not for people who wanted to learn something new it was

1472
01:26:42.080 --> 01:26:47.920
for people who were serious about actually stepping out on something that God was inviting them to

1473
01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:56.640
follow into even if it was hard then the third thing I I um asked people um it for uh asked

1474
01:26:56.640 --> 01:27:01.600
people to do was make a monetary commitment gesture and I explained you know how it worked

1475
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:06.880
and and the internal process that one goes through in order to do it but I did also mention

1476
01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:13.040
in a little snippet um at the bottom you know at the end of all that if you would like to hear about

1477
01:27:13.040 --> 01:27:19.360
risk that you would not like but you do not currently want to make a commitment gesture

1478
01:27:20.480 --> 01:27:26.080
meaning like between them and the lord then um then I told them then just reach out to me and

1479
01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:30.880
just let me know and so there are there are people in the group that have that did not make a monetary

1480
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:39.200
gesture they they reached out and then they said well it's hard to explain but they didn't uh they

1481
01:27:39.280 --> 01:27:44.800
they wanted they wanted to learn but they weren't ready to make a make a commitment gesture and um

1482
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:50.560
there has been a big difference there's been a big difference between those that have uh made

1483
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:57.120
a gesture and those that didn't and the point is not the gesture the point is the intention behind

1484
01:27:57.120 --> 01:28:02.800
whether or not it got it is it and and and it didn't matter the amount it didn't matter the

1485
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:09.600
amount uh sometimes it does it's hard it's hard to describe but that the the amount was just what

1486
01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:16.720
the the importance of it and the power of of behind the intention was what that amount meant

1487
01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:24.960
to that person yeah and there are some people who paid a significant amount um and I but I've been

1488
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:34.160
able to tell that there that even though the amount looked more the value to them did not

1489
01:28:34.160 --> 01:28:38.080
equal with that amount with the value of that amount would have meant if someone else in the

1490
01:28:38.080 --> 01:28:43.360
group had posted that and so some that someone else in the group they didn't they didn't make

1491
01:28:43.360 --> 01:28:50.240
as large of a of a of a gesture but you could tell by their interaction that value meant more to them

1492
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:55.520
so the amount doesn't matter the what it you know to the intensive and it doesn't matter to me

1493
01:28:56.320 --> 01:29:01.200
the importance is what someone else puts on uh the value that someone else puts on that amount

1494
01:29:01.200 --> 01:29:07.120
so that's how this rest intensive has gone as far as like what it is that I required and um uh

1495
01:29:07.120 --> 01:29:12.960
and I didn't even require a commitment gesture I didn't even require one of one cent um but the

1496
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:19.200
majority of people made a commitment gesture all across the board um some people made um some people

1497
01:29:19.200 --> 01:29:29.040
made a thousand some people made 40 30 I mean not 30 maybe 50 50 there was somebody who was very

1498
01:29:29.040 --> 01:29:35.600
sweet they said Ashley I want to give this to give this um as a not a donation but as a as a

1499
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:43.840
gesture of honor for the message and and um and to so into you to spread continue to spread this

1500
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:48.720
message because they said I believe in this and I think everyone needs to hear it but they said

1501
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:53.360
I don't see this as a commitment gesture that I'm making to the Lord and they've been very active

1502
01:29:53.360 --> 01:29:58.400
and they have been they have been um applying this in their own lives because I've been in

1503
01:29:58.400 --> 01:29:59.840
contact with them in private messages they've been in contact with them in private messages

1504
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:04.000
applying this in their own lives, they have taken it seriously. But they said, this is, I just want

1505
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:08.880
you to know, actually, this is not, I do not see this as a commitment, Esther. This money, I use,

1506
01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:15.200
I'm actually using as sowing into, sowing into and honoring this message of rest from the Father,

1507
01:30:15.200 --> 01:30:20.000
that more people would be able to hear about it. Because, you know, when we honor a prophet,

1508
01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:24.880
we receive a prophet's reward. So whatever, in other words, it's not a person, I don't mean that,

1509
01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:31.040
I mean that whatever we honor and sow into from the Father is, we're going to receive the

1510
01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:37.920
benefit of having honored that. Even if someone else goes through work and time and effort that

1511
01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:43.920
we don't, by honoring that, we get the same benefit that they do. But we weren't the prophet.

1512
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:47.760
We weren't the teacher. We weren't the, I don't know, the whatever.

1513
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:53.040
And even if they were honoring the message of rest and not me, so I'm not trying to make it

1514
01:30:53.040 --> 01:30:57.200
about a person. My point is the principle behind it. Whatever we honor from the Lord,

1515
01:30:57.200 --> 01:31:05.040
we get the benefit of just by having honored it. Yeah, absolutely. I love that. It sounds like

1516
01:31:05.040 --> 01:31:10.240
you've got some really cool stuff, like just on the horizon and still a few question marks that,

1517
01:31:10.240 --> 01:31:14.720
you know, God hasn't revealed everything to you yet, but he's lit the next step and he's,

1518
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:19.840
he's continuing to just show you like where he wants you to go, which is amazing. And

1519
01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:23.840
I love, I'm just super curious to see what you end up coming up with. Like,

1520
01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.600
do you think you'll make an announcement at some point soon to let people know

1521
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:34.640
all at once that you're planning on doing this? Planning on doing which? Like with the,

1522
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:38.160
after the four weeks that you're going to be charging, like, do you think you'll be

1523
01:31:38.160 --> 01:31:43.840
kind of doing an announcement about that officially soon? Yes. So I've been telling

1524
01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:50.480
people, you know, individually, but I haven't, I haven't like posted it, made a post about it,

1525
01:31:50.480 --> 01:31:56.560
but yes, I, I'm hoping to do that. Maybe, I don't know, maybe I'll get to do that today.

1526
01:31:57.280 --> 01:32:01.840
I'm also trying to think about how I want to do that. Do I want to do, maybe I'll do a video.

1527
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:08.720
I was going to say, but to be able to explain, you know, the purpose and all that, as opposed to,

1528
01:32:08.720 --> 01:32:14.880
as opposed to just something written. I don't know, but we'll see. But yeah, yeah. I plan to

1529
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:21.040
do it soon. Cool. Well, I look forward to seeing what you end up deciding with God and what he

1530
01:32:21.040 --> 01:32:30.000
reveals. And where are you now in the world? I'm in Arlington. So we're at Texas. Sorry. Sorry.

1531
01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:37.440
Dallas. I know. I was staying in Arlington. Yeah. I was staying in Arlington when we went to the

1532
01:32:37.440 --> 01:32:46.000
Verizon theater to that conference last summer. I didn't remember that. Okay. Yes. So yeah,

1533
01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:49.680
the Verizon theater, very good memory. Yeah. Right. Right. At the road here off of 20.

1534
01:32:50.320 --> 01:32:57.040
And yes. So that's where my parents live. And so this is where I, where I always come back to

1535
01:32:57.040 --> 01:33:04.160
that to their, when they're at that bedroom and where I have my, all of my stuff stored in the

1536
01:33:04.160 --> 01:33:11.360
room and in the closet. And so, yeah, I'm here for the holidays and then I don't know where I'm

1537
01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:19.120
going after that. I have some friends who invited me out to Minneapolis for new years and a bunch

1538
01:33:19.120 --> 01:33:23.040
of them are getting together. And so they invited me to go up there. So I'm considering that.

1539
01:33:25.360 --> 01:33:32.400
And I don't anyway, so I just kind of like taking things just, you know, just being very flexible.

1540
01:33:32.400 --> 01:33:40.480
Sometimes I make a decision like the day before I do it, which is, which is really fun. But

1541
01:33:40.480 --> 01:33:44.480
anyway, so I don't know where I'm going next, but yeah, this is where I am right now. And I also

1542
01:33:44.480 --> 01:33:50.960
have, there are some people in the group who have asked me in their five-day rest intensive,

1543
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:56.880
who I know personally, and they're here in town and they've asked me to speak to their group,

1544
01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:02.240
which used to be my old home group when I was in town and do an intro on the rest intensive.

1545
01:34:02.320 --> 01:34:10.320
In case and on rest and what the fathers taught me about, about rest in case that they, and there's

1546
01:34:10.320 --> 01:34:14.480
enough interest in the group that they want me to do a rest intensive just for the group.

1547
01:34:15.200 --> 01:34:20.160
So anyway, and another thing I'm hoping to eventually do, because I love speaking in person

1548
01:34:20.160 --> 01:34:24.720
and love getting to interact with people in person. I would love to get to do some rest intensives

1549
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:33.120
in person. Like I've had multiple people ask me to invite me to come speak to groups.

1550
01:34:34.080 --> 01:34:43.120
Nothing has, you know, in person and nothing has, and things haven't solidified yet, but I'm hoping

1551
01:34:43.120 --> 01:34:47.200
that maybe that'll be something that I start doing this year as well, doing some in-person stuff.

1552
01:34:48.080 --> 01:34:52.400
That'd be awesome. And I think the more COVID disappears, the more opportunities there will

1553
01:34:52.400 --> 01:34:56.240
be. Like, have you, have you ever been to Canada? I can't remember if you've been to Canada.

1554
01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:59.840
I have, I've been to, is it Victoria Island?

1555
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.580
right on the West Coast.

1556
01:35:02.580 --> 01:35:03.420
I've been there.

1557
01:35:03.420 --> 01:35:05.660
I have some friends that live there.

1558
01:35:05.660 --> 01:35:07.540
Oh my word, right on the water.

1559
01:35:07.540 --> 01:35:08.380
It was stunning.

1560
01:35:08.380 --> 01:35:10.060
It was absolutely amazing.

1561
01:35:10.060 --> 01:35:13.940
And I've always wanted to go to Prince Edward Island.

1562
01:35:13.940 --> 01:35:18.020
I've got friends from Canada, but no, I've never visited.

1563
01:35:18.020 --> 01:35:21.540
And so I'm gonna have to come and see you sometime

1564
01:35:21.540 --> 01:35:23.060
once the border opens.

1565
01:35:24.060 --> 01:35:26.660
Seriously, I know, it's crazy.

1566
01:35:26.660 --> 01:35:29.500
Like it's been a while now.

1567
01:35:29.500 --> 01:35:32.780
I would love to like go to the U.S. for any reason,

1568
01:35:32.780 --> 01:35:35.800
but my parents live in the U.S., like two of them.

1569
01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:39.660
My dad and his wife live in the Buffalo area.

1570
01:35:41.380 --> 01:35:43.220
And I wanted to go see April

1571
01:35:43.220 --> 01:35:44.820
because I don't know if you know much of her story,

1572
01:35:44.820 --> 01:35:46.440
but she had a preemie baby.

1573
01:35:48.380 --> 01:35:50.380
Yeah, so I'm wanting to go

1574
01:35:50.380 --> 01:35:52.580
ever since she brought her baby home, right?

1575
01:35:52.580 --> 01:35:56.000
But it's such a tricky situation.

1576
01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:58.120
And then the quarantining and all of that

1577
01:35:58.120 --> 01:35:59.020
that you get to do.

1578
01:35:59.780 --> 01:36:02.180
Yeah, but I would love to have you visit

1579
01:36:02.180 --> 01:36:05.020
when the time is right, when the borders open,

1580
01:36:05.020 --> 01:36:08.820
it'd be great for you to come and yeah, that'd be awesome.

1581
01:36:08.820 --> 01:36:10.260
I'd enjoy that.

1582
01:36:10.260 --> 01:36:13.420
Now, remind me about April.

1583
01:36:13.420 --> 01:36:16.940
I'm not meaning to like ask about someone else,

1584
01:36:16.940 --> 01:36:19.340
but I can't get ahold of her

1585
01:36:19.340 --> 01:36:21.620
and I haven't heard anything from her.

1586
01:36:21.620 --> 01:36:24.720
And if that, I'm just assuming

1587
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:27.060
that she's just going to do what she wants.

1588
01:36:27.300 --> 01:36:29.220
And so all of that's fine,

1589
01:36:29.220 --> 01:36:31.260
but I've been trying to reach out to her

1590
01:36:31.260 --> 01:36:33.100
and she hasn't contacted me.

1591
01:36:33.100 --> 01:36:36.020
And so I'm just asking, is everything okay?

1592
01:36:36.020 --> 01:36:37.260
Is she okay?

1593
01:36:37.260 --> 01:36:39.660
How have you tried to reach out?

1594
01:36:39.660 --> 01:36:40.580
By what means?

1595
01:36:41.540 --> 01:36:45.740
The only connection that I have with her is Facebook.

1596
01:36:45.740 --> 01:36:47.380
That's literally the only connection.

1597
01:36:47.380 --> 01:36:49.300
That's how we originally connected.

1598
01:36:49.300 --> 01:36:50.700
It's the only way we've ever contacted.

1599
01:36:50.700 --> 01:36:52.580
I don't have any other way to get ahold of her.

1600
01:36:52.580 --> 01:36:54.500
She's not on Facebook very much,

1601
01:36:54.500 --> 01:36:56.580
but she does Marco Polo quite a bit.

1602
01:36:57.100 --> 01:36:57.940
And she texts.

1603
01:36:57.940 --> 01:37:00.420
So that's why I wondered if you had her phone number.

1604
01:37:00.420 --> 01:37:01.500
Yeah.

1605
01:37:01.500 --> 01:37:02.860
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

1606
01:37:02.860 --> 01:37:04.380
Yeah, she can do whatever she wants.

1607
01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:05.940
I just want to make sure, you know,

1608
01:37:05.940 --> 01:37:07.060
I want to check in with you

1609
01:37:07.060 --> 01:37:09.260
and make sure she's doing good and that she's okay.

1610
01:37:09.260 --> 01:37:11.220
She can be just like anybody.

1611
01:37:11.220 --> 01:37:14.260
They need to choose this for themselves.

1612
01:37:14.260 --> 01:37:15.100
I just, I don't know.

1613
01:37:15.100 --> 01:37:17.260
I feel bad if someone joins the rest intensive

1614
01:37:17.260 --> 01:37:19.780
and I just haven't heard from them,

1615
01:37:19.780 --> 01:37:21.500
like, are they okay?

1616
01:37:21.500 --> 01:37:23.500
I think she's just kind of,

1617
01:37:24.500 --> 01:37:25.980
I think she's got a lot going on

1618
01:37:25.980 --> 01:37:27.780
with her five kids and the baby.

1619
01:37:27.780 --> 01:37:29.580
Yeah, that's fine.

1620
01:37:29.580 --> 01:37:32.260
I just want to make sure she knows I am available

1621
01:37:32.260 --> 01:37:33.820
and that surely she knows that,

1622
01:37:33.820 --> 01:37:35.380
but I didn't want to make her feel like

1623
01:37:35.380 --> 01:37:37.580
she joined the rest intensive and she's abandoned.

1624
01:37:37.580 --> 01:37:38.420
I'm right here.

1625
01:37:38.420 --> 01:37:39.620
You know, the rest intensive's here

1626
01:37:39.620 --> 01:37:40.980
for her to reach out whenever she wants,

1627
01:37:40.980 --> 01:37:43.220
but I just want to check in with her.

1628
01:37:43.220 --> 01:37:47.020
Yeah, she, yeah, I feel like,

1629
01:37:47.900 --> 01:37:49.460
I feel like it's just life,

1630
01:37:49.460 --> 01:37:52.500
like in so many areas of life.

1631
01:37:52.540 --> 01:37:54.820
I know the busyness of it,

1632
01:37:54.820 --> 01:37:59.620
but I don't think she's fully tapped into the resource

1633
01:37:59.620 --> 01:38:01.900
that the rest intensive is yet,

1634
01:38:01.900 --> 01:38:02.740
even though I-

1635
01:38:02.740 --> 01:38:03.580
Which is fine.

1636
01:38:03.580 --> 01:38:04.700
It's her decision.

1637
01:38:04.700 --> 01:38:06.180
Well, yeah, absolutely.

1638
01:38:06.180 --> 01:38:08.780
And I know it's something that she wants so much,

1639
01:38:08.780 --> 01:38:11.860
but she just, I don't think she's understood

1640
01:38:11.860 --> 01:38:14.180
the value of what's there yet

1641
01:38:14.180 --> 01:38:16.460
and like the value of spending the time

1642
01:38:16.460 --> 01:38:18.580
to like ingest it yet,

1643
01:38:18.580 --> 01:38:21.820
but when the time is right, she will.

1644
01:38:21.820 --> 01:38:24.020
And I, yeah, I totally agree with you,

1645
01:38:24.020 --> 01:38:25.020
but she's doing well.

1646
01:38:25.020 --> 01:38:26.460
And I think if you've reached out to her,

1647
01:38:26.460 --> 01:38:27.300
that's beautiful.

1648
01:38:27.300 --> 01:38:29.500
She knows that you're there and-

1649
01:38:29.500 --> 01:38:32.220
That's the important thing.

1650
01:38:32.220 --> 01:38:34.460
Yeah, I just needed her to know, you know,

1651
01:38:34.460 --> 01:38:37.340
which I knew that in theory she knew,

1652
01:38:37.340 --> 01:38:40.780
but there's something about having someone reach out

1653
01:38:40.780 --> 01:38:44.100
to just verify and affirm,

1654
01:38:44.100 --> 01:38:46.020
yes, I really am being thought of.

1655
01:38:46.020 --> 01:38:47.060
You know, I'm not abandoned.

1656
01:38:47.060 --> 01:38:47.900
They are there.

1657
01:38:47.900 --> 01:38:49.180
They remember me.

1658
01:38:49.180 --> 01:38:50.940
It's not just there if I want to reach out.

1659
01:38:50.940 --> 01:38:52.060
They've reached out.

1660
01:38:52.060 --> 01:38:53.180
And so there's just something.

1661
01:38:53.180 --> 01:38:56.020
So I just wanted to make sure that she was okay.

1662
01:38:56.020 --> 01:38:57.060
She can do whatever she wants.

1663
01:38:57.060 --> 01:38:58.900
You know, when she wants, she's on her own journey.

1664
01:38:58.900 --> 01:39:00.980
Everybody in the Rest Intensive is,

1665
01:39:00.980 --> 01:39:03.100
and they've all reached out to varying degrees.

1666
01:39:03.100 --> 01:39:04.780
Some a lot, some a little,

1667
01:39:04.780 --> 01:39:06.100
and I just want to check in with her,

1668
01:39:06.100 --> 01:39:07.500
make sure she's doing good.

1669
01:39:07.500 --> 01:39:09.500
Has she read your messages, Dino?

1670
01:39:12.020 --> 01:39:12.860
Let me check.

1671
01:39:12.860 --> 01:39:14.060
There was one.

1672
01:39:16.700 --> 01:39:18.900
The last time I looked, she had not,

1673
01:39:18.940 --> 01:39:20.340
but that was a while.

1674
01:39:20.340 --> 01:39:21.380
That was a little bit ago.

1675
01:39:21.380 --> 01:39:22.540
Let me see if she has.

1676
01:39:23.660 --> 01:39:24.500
Come on.

1677
01:39:34.740 --> 01:39:37.140
And while I am pulling this up,

1678
01:39:37.140 --> 01:39:40.660
what can, I don't know if you need to go,

1679
01:39:40.660 --> 01:39:41.700
but I was wondering,

1680
01:39:41.700 --> 01:39:44.540
was there anything that you wanted to update me on

1681
01:39:44.540 --> 01:39:48.420
for, I don't know, your business and how that's going,

1682
01:39:49.380 --> 01:39:50.220
or anything?

1683
01:39:51.180 --> 01:39:54.460
You know, I think business-wise,

1684
01:39:54.460 --> 01:39:59.460
I think just, I know money's not the most important thing,

1685
01:39:59.500 --> 01:40:00.340
and

1686
01:40:00.480 --> 01:40:03.960
I'm trying to really do it from a place of, you know, not

1687
01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:08.320
focusing on that. But I also really like the idea of being

1688
01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:12.480
able to at least make back the money that I'm investing in it

1689
01:40:12.480 --> 01:40:17.080
every month. So I've kind of been on this journey of my money

1690
01:40:17.080 --> 01:40:23.480
mindset around, it's interesting about being able to receive. A

1691
01:40:23.480 --> 01:40:26.600
friend of mine lent me or gave me a book called The Go Giver.

1692
01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:31.720
Have you ever heard of it? It's a really good book. It's kind of

1693
01:40:31.720 --> 01:40:36.120
like the name. Yeah, it's great. It's a great little book. And

1694
01:40:36.120 --> 01:40:39.640
it's such an easy read. And it's all about these five laws of

1695
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.320
stratospheric success, but it all comes from a place of

1696
01:40:42.320 --> 01:40:48.400
giving first. And the last one, my friends like in the last I

1697
01:40:48.400 --> 01:40:50.960
want you to pay attention to the last one because that one's for

1698
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:55.040
you. So I get to the last one. And I'm seeing okay, it's the

1699
01:40:55.040 --> 01:40:58.920
law of reciprocity. So I'm like, okay, so I'm reading it,

1700
01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:01.040
I'm reading it, I'm reading it, I'm like, I keep seeing the law

1701
01:41:01.040 --> 01:41:04.360
of reciprocity, law of reciprocity. And then I finally

1702
01:41:04.360 --> 01:41:07.920
realized that it didn't say that. It said the law of

1703
01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:14.600
receptivity. And I was like, like, I couldn't even read the

1704
01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:22.080
word properly. So I realized that I have a little bit of a

1705
01:41:22.080 --> 01:41:26.040
block, or I've had a little bit of a block with receiving and

1706
01:41:26.080 --> 01:41:30.600
believing that I'm, in a sense, maybe worthy of receiving that.

1707
01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:34.760
And like, I know I'm worthy. But I was like, Am I worthy of

1708
01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:41.080
actually like receiving money from someone? So I, yeah, like,

1709
01:41:41.080 --> 01:41:45.360
I've really been thinking about how do I get to be okay with

1710
01:41:45.360 --> 01:41:49.360
receiving because love is about giving and receiving, you know,

1711
01:41:49.360 --> 01:41:51.760
life is about giving and receiving. It's a full circle

1712
01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:55.440
thing, right? Like, we need it's like breathing, right? You can't

1713
01:41:55.440 --> 01:41:58.000
just breathe out forever, eventually, you have to breathe

1714
01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:01.560
in, the plants need to give off with the right, like we have

1715
01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:06.280
this, you know, we receive it. And if we don't, then we're

1716
01:42:06.280 --> 01:42:08.440
constantly just going to be trying to breathe out. And

1717
01:42:08.440 --> 01:42:11.240
we're never going to breathe in and receive what's coming back

1718
01:42:11.240 --> 01:42:16.080
to us. So like breathing in that oxygen. So I just feel like I

1719
01:42:16.080 --> 01:42:20.040
need to honor, in a sense, like, if we like look at it as a

1720
01:42:20.040 --> 01:42:24.160
representative, like the plants, the plants are giving to me what

1721
01:42:24.160 --> 01:42:27.600
I need. And I'm giving back what they need. And it's almost like

1722
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:31.520
with people where, like, how do I apply that in a way that it's

1723
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:36.400
an exchange, it's a flow, it's a, you know, it's more than just

1724
01:42:36.400 --> 01:42:40.720
them paying me for my services. It's like, more of like an

1725
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:44.000
exchange in the spirit. It's a soul exchange, as far as them

1726
01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:48.520
getting rid of their soul tied to money in some ways. It's

1727
01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:51.960
about them making a gesture because people care more about

1728
01:42:51.960 --> 01:42:54.680
what they invest in where their heart is, or where their

1729
01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:57.920
treasure is there their heart is. So I've been playing around

1730
01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:02.600
with this idea of how do I get to be okay and confident even in

1731
01:43:03.480 --> 01:43:07.840
saying that they get to actually invest if they want to work with

1732
01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:11.600
me in my program. That's been a tricky one.

1733
01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:17.120
So what have you, what conclusions have you come to? Or

1734
01:43:17.120 --> 01:43:20.000
like, how far along? You know, are you like, we're in the

1735
01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:20.720
thought process?

1736
01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:23.600
I think everything I just shared is kind of the conclusion I've

1737
01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:27.320
come to, which is not a conclusion. No, no, it's not

1738
01:43:27.320 --> 01:43:27.880
really like,

1739
01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.520
I didn't expect it to I know you're in process. I'm like,

1740
01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:31.760
where are you in process?

1741
01:43:32.240 --> 01:43:36.240
That's kind of where I am. I know there's, there's something

1742
01:43:36.240 --> 01:43:42.960
more. But I just haven't been able to like, really feel the

1743
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:48.920
peace of it's okay to receive money. It's okay to, you know,

1744
01:43:49.360 --> 01:43:52.120
like I see my pastor, I see pastors of churches, they

1745
01:43:52.120 --> 01:43:55.320
receive money. You know, they don't just work for free, right?

1746
01:43:55.320 --> 01:43:58.360
You don't work for free, you do yours a little differently. But

1747
01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.560
you know, most coaches, they don't work for free. So why do

1748
01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:04.040
I think that I have to just give, give, give for free. And

1749
01:44:04.040 --> 01:44:07.720
then when I go to ask for money, I feel guilty. It feels wrong.

1750
01:44:08.240 --> 01:44:10.480
And so I don't really know what to do about that. Yeah.

1751
01:44:11.360 --> 01:44:16.720
Yeah. And I have some I have some ideas, which you what would

1752
01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.080
those be helpful or interesting at all?

1753
01:44:19.440 --> 01:44:20.920
I would love to hear them. Yeah.

1754
01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:27.360
That I think that it might help if you know, you're talking

1755
01:44:27.360 --> 01:44:34.720
about, you know, an exchange, the exchange is not something a

1756
01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:39.720
way that you can view it is not as the exchange between you and

1757
01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:43.640
them. But as something you're receiving from the Lord, but

1758
01:44:43.640 --> 01:44:49.440
he's doing it through them. And you we don't have anything that

1759
01:44:49.440 --> 01:44:51.680
we can we don't have we're getting rid of judgments that

1760
01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:54.120
we're getting rid of standards, we don't have a judgment and a

1761
01:44:54.120 --> 01:44:58.520
standard that we are holding someone else to in order to

1762
01:44:58.520 --> 01:44:59.960
exchange something with them.

1763
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:10.000
We offer them something they then that because it relationship is a two way street and it has to be initiated and decided by decided on and owned by both parties.

1764
01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:23.000
So, we provide something. And then, according to our relationship with the Lord and what he desires, and then they choose as to whether or not they want to, whether they want to own that aspect of giving back.

1765
01:45:23.000 --> 01:45:41.000
And I'm even talking about many as far as like you actually charge it like isn't another word you have an exact amount you say like, I don't know, $500 or $1,000 or $1,500 or whatever to join the to join your to join your program.

1766
01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:48.000
So I'm not talking about doing it the way that I that the way that I do it I'm not talking about that I'm talking about, you have an exact dollar amount.

1767
01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:59.000
The exact dollar amount is not an X is not a way that you can view it because you can do it a different way you can do it in a way that you were talking about where it's an exchange because that's how most people talk about it.

1768
01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:18.000
But another way that you can that you can view it that might open things up for you, it might open up your ability to receive is because what it is that you're receiving is from the Father, you're receiving it though through them, and they have to own that, as opposed

1769
01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:28.000
to this being an exchange of hey I'm giving you this, you give me this, you give someone honor and it doesn't mean that they're going to necessarily give you honor back.

1770
01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:50.000
Right. So, in order, so it's so we can do is this is an, this is all based on an internal shift of like not demanding internally demanding an honor being honored and acknowledged and and given to to for an equal exchange from someone else.

1771
01:46:50.000 --> 01:47:09.000
In other words, internally not feeling that that's what's going on but instead be like okay God, I am receiving from you, you are my provider you're my protector you're my identity and and what I believe would be effective for them in my, you know, based on what you and I've

1772
01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:27.000
talked about what you and I've decided of how much we're going to charge, and we'll just call it $1,500 $1,500 that that is something that you are giving to me through them, making the owning this for them, themselves, and choosing to partake of it.

1773
01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:50.000
So what that does is, because looking at it a bit more from the perspective of of an exchange that this isn't between you and the Lord, and that the money that you're getting is this exchange program of tip for tat is is what can foster and feed a co in a codependency

1774
01:47:51.000 --> 01:48:10.000
that we have on an egg where we're internally there's something in us that requires and is looking for and is needing a, an interaction from someone else to us in order for something to happen in our lives, or in order for us to feel a particular way about ourselves, or in order

1775
01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:30.000
for us to have enough motivation to help someone or or whatever wherever we're going. But if we shift that to everything being between us and the Father and he just chooses to do it through other people that helps us, that might help open up that idea of rest of receptivity,

1776
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:45.000
that that that you're needing to feel like you shift into because you're receiving it from your father and at least you less internally dependent on what's on what someone else is doing.

1777
01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:58.000
So it's still in again, I'm still talking about you having an exact dollar amount and saying I'm sorry but no one can come into the program unless they do this exact dollar amount, I'm still talking about that situation, I'm not talking about mine.

1778
01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:15.000
It's still that exact dollar amount is between you and the Lord, they get to choose whether or not they're going to, they're going to honor it in that way. You set up some standards, you set up some structure, not standards as in judgments, but you set up a structure

1779
01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:33.000
of the environment of your, of your business, of your ministry, and they can fit into that. There's nothing wrong with structure, nothing. Everyone's structure of their business or their ministry just looks different, but you own that structure between you and the Father.

1780
01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:54.000
There's no right and wrong of like, these are the only the good structures and these are bad structures. No. So, it's, you do the exact same thing that you're wanting to do now, which is this exact dollar amount, but where it's coming from, and the end, what's going on leaves.

1781
01:49:54.000 --> 01:50:00.000
It will make it healthier for you and easier for you to probably open yourself up into.

1782
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:05.520
is if you understand you're receiving it from the Lord and not holding other people accountable

1783
01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:10.400
to meet that for you. They have an opportunity as to whether or not they want to be part of it

1784
01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:18.400
because they've owned it for themselves. I don't want to say it severs you more from other people,

1785
01:50:18.400 --> 01:50:28.400
but it doesn't make you as dependent emotionally, mentally, and on other people's response.

1786
01:50:29.040 --> 01:50:33.920
That's huge. Other people's response to your five-day self-love challenge and whether or

1787
01:50:33.920 --> 01:50:37.840
not they choose to go into your program after that or when you have an ad or when you have

1788
01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:44.480
a post and how people respond. It's all between you and the Father. You and the Father are fine.

1789
01:50:44.480 --> 01:50:50.800
You and the Father are healthy. You and your Father have this huge expanse and space to move

1790
01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:56.880
within. Other people have an opportunity that you're providing them to step into if they choose

1791
01:50:56.880 --> 01:51:03.600
and they take the ownership to make the step. Yeah, so that makes sense. I like that a lot

1792
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:07.600
because that takes me out of the law of reciprocity, which is what I kept seeing,

1793
01:51:08.400 --> 01:51:16.000
and the law of receptivity and just receiving it but from God. I was looking at it as receiving it

1794
01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:24.080
from a person. I think just shifting into seeing that from, okay, God's bringing these people to

1795
01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:30.240
me. God knows who needs to work with me and who needs what I have to give. He knows who's going

1796
01:51:30.240 --> 01:51:37.040
to get the transformation they've been looking for from this versus something else. He knows.

1797
01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:43.920
I think it's when I get on the phone with them and I seem to attract these people right now who

1798
01:51:45.040 --> 01:51:51.520
don't have a lot of money. They're like, I'm on disability. I think a lot of the people,

1799
01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:56.160
I don't know if I'm calling forward some of the people. Maybe I need to call forward different

1800
01:51:56.160 --> 01:52:00.800
people, but I'm just reaching women who struggle with self-love. Well, a lot of women who struggle

1801
01:52:00.800 --> 01:52:09.920
with self-love also struggle with disability because your mind has an effect on your body.

1802
01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:14.640
It's not a disability where they don't have legs. It's a disability like chronic pain,

1803
01:52:15.440 --> 01:52:18.880
where that is like- Emotional disability or mental.

1804
01:52:19.440 --> 01:52:27.600
Yeah, exactly. I feel like when I get in a conversation with them and they think $197 a

1805
01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:36.880
month is too much money, or even $97 a month when I had it there was too much money. Maybe for them

1806
01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:42.240
it is, but I guess I look at it and I'm like, well, if you're the right person or you really

1807
01:52:42.240 --> 01:52:48.480
want it, I've talked to God about this amount, but then I also feel like I'm leaving those people

1808
01:52:48.480 --> 01:52:56.240
out and I'm not serving them. I have a few options and each tier they get more access.

1809
01:52:57.040 --> 01:53:03.360
They can do $97 a month, but then they just get the program. I might throw in one group coaching

1810
01:53:03.360 --> 01:53:08.880
session a month. If they do $197, they get two group coaching sessions a month, but I think the

1811
01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:18.000
$97 could be, at least what I felt is like, because my time is, I don't have tons and tons

1812
01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:22.720
of time. It's like $97 a month, they go through the program, they can send it in once a month

1813
01:53:22.720 --> 01:53:28.560
and get feedback on it, for example. $197 a month, they can do two group coaching sessions.

1814
01:53:29.360 --> 01:53:34.960
$497 a month, they do two one-on-one sessions with me and two group coaching sessions. They

1815
01:53:35.040 --> 01:53:45.040
get the whole package and that's for 12 months. I feel good about that, but then I run into people

1816
01:53:45.040 --> 01:53:49.520
who think that's too expensive. Now, I run into people who don't think that's too expensive, but

1817
01:53:50.160 --> 01:53:55.760
their money mindset throws me off because I know that their money mindset can be

1818
01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:02.000
fixed in a sense, or it's not really about money. I want to help them break free of that,

1819
01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:07.360
but I don't really know how and I don't know. It's just, there's a lot of,

1820
01:54:08.400 --> 01:54:13.440
yeah, it's tricky for me in that. Yeah, and I'm sorry I'm looking down here. I think

1821
01:54:13.440 --> 01:54:18.640
I'm writing notes. I thought you were making a note. Yeah, it's like it so I can remember.

1822
01:54:19.680 --> 01:54:21.600
Or like- What?

1823
01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:27.120
You're doing your Christmas cards while you're- I'm just joking.

1824
01:54:27.440 --> 01:54:32.640
I thought you were writing, were you writing notes about what I was saying?

1825
01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:42.720
Yeah, yeah, about like, yeah, some ideas that came to mind. So I'm just listening

1826
01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:52.240
and just sensing how we do, just kind of like sensing things in the spirit is

1827
01:54:52.240 --> 01:54:59.600
one of the things that I would suggest, and

1828
01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.040
Um, I feel free, uh, you know, suggesting this to you because it's an

1829
01:55:03.040 --> 01:55:07.720
encouragement is to help you with the people that you're attracting is to

1830
01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:10.320
add a strength to your message.

1831
01:55:11.140 --> 01:55:17.480
Because what you might be doing is because of your care for other people

1832
01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:21.920
and your desire to make them feel safe.

1833
01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:26.000
Like what we were talking about earlier in the conversation is it can sound so

1834
01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:30.080
gentle that it attracts people who don't, who've been wanting gentle,

1835
01:55:30.120 --> 01:55:33.920
who've been wanting gentleness in their lives and haven't gotten it.

1836
01:55:34.400 --> 01:55:38.440
And those people can tend to be people with a poverty mindset.

1837
01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:43.120
They're so damaged and there's so whatever they, they, they are.

1838
01:55:43.480 --> 01:55:47.320
They're, they're desiring such amount of, uh, that, that they're just

1839
01:55:47.320 --> 01:55:51.880
needing an amount of gentleness because they haven't owned this for themselves

1840
01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:53.840
to the degree that is healthy for them.

1841
01:55:54.200 --> 01:56:01.480
So if there is an aspect of strength and by that it's some internal shift within,

1842
01:56:01.480 --> 01:56:09.400
within you that will, that, that you can make in, in, um, that you will

1843
01:56:09.440 --> 01:56:16.800
effortlessly begin to speak with a particular strength that, um, I believe

1844
01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:19.400
will, would attract more of those people.

1845
01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:25.760
For instance, um, I was shocked at the number of people that were, that, um, uh,

1846
01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:33.000
wanted to, that joined the rest intensive when I, when I laid out verbatim, I mean,

1847
01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:38.560
laid out verbatim, laid out exactly how the, uh, that I were, you know, required.

1848
01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:42.000
Um, technically I didn't require it, but, uh, that I required

1849
01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:43.840
a monetary commitment gesture.

1850
01:56:44.840 --> 01:56:47.280
And I told them amounts.

1851
01:56:47.360 --> 01:56:50.360
I told them a range of how much other people have considered

1852
01:56:50.360 --> 01:56:53.120
it valuable in their world.

1853
01:56:54.160 --> 01:56:57.200
I, you know, I mentioned a hundred mentioned 5,000 and I said

1854
01:56:57.200 --> 01:56:58.840
everything in between and whatever.

1855
01:56:59.360 --> 01:57:04.640
Um, and I think when people realize, oh, wow, this is, this is serious.

1856
01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:09.200
And I, and I made people and I told them, Hey, look, you know, you need to own this.

1857
01:57:09.640 --> 01:57:12.240
You need to be serious and here's something.

1858
01:57:12.280 --> 01:57:14.880
In other words, there was like something that kind of made them realize,

1859
01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:16.880
oh my goodness, this is, this is heavy.

1860
01:57:17.440 --> 01:57:21.680
I thought it might cause people to not want to be part of it because it's

1861
01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:26.520
almost like I was laying, um, I was laying down a, um, I wasn't just

1862
01:57:26.520 --> 01:57:29.040
kind of like, oh, everybody free love.

1863
01:57:29.120 --> 01:57:33.680
No, it was like, no, there is an aspect of this that is very serious.

1864
01:57:34.160 --> 01:57:35.960
There's, there's a strength behind this.

1865
01:57:36.160 --> 01:57:41.360
There's a solidity that I, but it requires something of you.

1866
01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:42.760
Do you want in or not?

1867
01:57:43.280 --> 01:57:46.800
And I wasn't being mean about it, but you know, it added a bit of weight to it.

1868
01:57:47.120 --> 01:57:49.520
And so when they realized, oh, wow, this is something I really

1869
01:57:49.520 --> 01:57:50.760
am supposed to take ownership of.

1870
01:57:51.040 --> 01:57:54.600
I couldn't, I didn't know which people were taking ownership of it and which

1871
01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:59.920
weren't, but I did provide them an opportunity of, to, to take ownership of

1872
01:57:59.920 --> 01:58:01.840
it, and I did it by my message.

1873
01:58:02.240 --> 01:58:06.960
I did it in the fact that I created boundaries, I created structure and by

1874
01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:09.760
boundaries, I don't mean like bad boundary, like boundaries of like,

1875
01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:10.920
well, you're in and you're out.

1876
01:58:10.960 --> 01:58:14.680
I mean, structure and they can choose as to whether or not they want to be part

1877
01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:17.920
of it as opposed to, oh, well, something you can't help.

1878
01:58:18.120 --> 01:58:18.480
Yeah.

1879
01:58:18.480 --> 01:58:19.200
I'm sorry.

1880
01:58:19.440 --> 01:58:21.240
You know, you're, you, you can't be part of it.

1881
01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:25.080
Um, so I think if there's some way that you can add strength and I'm not

1882
01:58:25.080 --> 01:58:29.320
talking about the way that I did it, where I just said, oh, well, commitment

1883
01:58:29.320 --> 01:58:34.600
just turned, I'm talking about the way you talk about it and the opportunity

1884
01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:38.400
people have to move into it and what it means and whatever it'll cut that

1885
01:58:38.400 --> 01:58:42.280
strength will automatically come across in the words that you choose and in

1886
01:58:42.280 --> 01:58:44.240
the phrases that, that you speak it in.

1887
01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:50.240
Um, and you will notice that people feel like it can get away more with

1888
01:58:50.360 --> 01:58:52.400
things with women than they can with men.

1889
01:58:52.720 --> 01:58:53.080
Why?

1890
01:58:53.400 --> 01:58:59.360
With men, there's a strength that there, uh, that, um, men are, you are people

1891
01:58:59.360 --> 01:59:06.360
just readily expect to, to encounter certain lines, certain structure, and

1892
01:59:06.360 --> 01:59:12.240
they will respond to the structure that someone else has set up, but women tend

1893
01:59:12.240 --> 01:59:15.080
to be a little more loosey goosey and let people get away with them.

1894
01:59:15.080 --> 01:59:18.160
So, so it allows people will take advantage of that.

1895
01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:23.960
So my point in, in connecting in mentioning that is with men, we typically

1896
01:59:23.960 --> 01:59:25.840
associate a certain type of strength.

1897
01:59:27.040 --> 01:59:30.560
And, and I wanted to mention that is how people respond to strength.

1898
01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:32.040
It's in a very healthy way.

1899
01:59:32.440 --> 01:59:33.560
Uh, so that might help.

1900
01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:39.920
Um, and then, um, and then what you're doing is you're providing those people

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01:59:40.200 --> 01:59:45.200
with an opportunity to choose something for themselves, as opposed to trying to

1902
01:59:45.200 --> 01:59:53.080
can convince people that they need something, um, which I know that you're

1903
01:59:53.080 --> 01:59:57.160
not, but I'm saying that that can come across even in the, in the messaging,

1904
01:59:57.640 --> 01:59:59.760
um, that you're.

1905
02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:05.000
So I've learned, and this took a while to learn,

1906
02:00:05.040 --> 02:00:09.200
I had to learn how to present my message in such a way

1907
02:00:09.200 --> 02:00:12.600
that I just stated things how they were.

1908
02:00:12.600 --> 02:00:14.520
I didn't try to convince anyone.

1909
02:00:15.880 --> 02:00:19.160
I state what it is that I believe.

1910
02:00:19.160 --> 02:00:21.440
And I just say, this is it.

1911
02:00:21.440 --> 02:00:22.880
This is what it looks like.

1912
02:00:22.880 --> 02:00:24.360
You can take it or leave it.

1913
02:00:24.360 --> 02:00:26.120
I'm not trying to force my opinion on you,

1914
02:00:26.120 --> 02:00:27.400
but this is how it is.

1915
02:00:27.400 --> 02:00:29.760
As opposed to trying to convince someone

1916
02:00:29.800 --> 02:00:33.040
to change their mind about what they think about REST.

1917
02:00:33.040 --> 02:00:34.640
I just present it how it is and they can choose

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02:00:34.640 --> 02:00:36.960
as to whether or not they agree with it.

1919
02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.840
That was a huge shift in my messaging.

1920
02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:46.000
And that I had to learn that earlier this year

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02:00:46.040 --> 02:00:48.160
as I was messing around with messaging.

1922
02:00:48.160 --> 02:00:51.800
And this was even before I was teaching REST in those terms.

1923
02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:53.760
I was still teaching REST to my one-on-one clients,

1924
02:00:53.760 --> 02:00:55.640
but it wasn't in those terms.

1925
02:00:55.640 --> 02:01:00.640
And I had to learn to not try to convince people of things

1926
02:01:01.480 --> 02:01:04.800
to just the more strength that I added to my message,

1927
02:01:04.800 --> 02:01:08.840
kindness still, gentleness, not forcing someone,

1928
02:01:08.840 --> 02:01:11.480
not in a place, not from a place of judgment,

1929
02:01:11.480 --> 02:01:12.920
like, hey, if you don't agree with this,

1930
02:01:12.920 --> 02:01:14.560
well then I'm judging you.

1931
02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:18.680
No, but where I was solid and sure,

1932
02:01:18.680 --> 02:01:20.040
and they could choose as to whether or not

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02:01:20.040 --> 02:01:22.320
they agreed with it and wanted to be part of it.

1934
02:01:22.320 --> 02:01:24.520
But I wasn't presenting it as,

1935
02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:29.520
oh, would you like to, I don't know, I don't know.

1936
02:01:32.040 --> 02:01:35.240
Anyway, does that help?

1937
02:01:35.240 --> 02:01:39.400
It does, because I think the way I presented my message,

1938
02:01:39.400 --> 02:01:43.080
which a lot of women came from a little Facebook ad I ran,

1939
02:01:43.080 --> 02:01:45.040
and it was all kind of about

1940
02:01:45.040 --> 02:01:46.760
if you're struggling to love yourself,

1941
02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:48.560
you haven't seen your true worth,

1942
02:01:48.560 --> 02:01:51.320
and you're trying to make everyone else happy

1943
02:01:51.440 --> 02:01:55.120
and you're tired and you just wanna heal the pain

1944
02:01:55.120 --> 02:01:59.120
and hurt of the past and have that joy and peace in the Lord

1945
02:01:59.120 --> 02:02:04.120
and all of that, but I could tweak it the next time around

1946
02:02:05.040 --> 02:02:08.960
and say, if you're kind of like, not exactly like this,

1947
02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:10.360
but if you're a successful woman

1948
02:02:10.360 --> 02:02:13.200
who's got a lot of great things going on in her life,

1949
02:02:13.200 --> 02:02:16.000
but there's still a wound deep down inside

1950
02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:17.440
that you know you haven't healed,

1951
02:02:17.440 --> 02:02:21.000
you know that you still haven't been able to see yourself

1952
02:02:21.680 --> 02:02:24.880
as the beautiful, worthy woman that God created you to be,

1953
02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:29.080
then maybe just even that one tweak in the messaging

1954
02:02:29.080 --> 02:02:34.080
could draw people forward who are successful,

1955
02:02:34.320 --> 02:02:38.160
but they've got a lot of good things going on in their life.

1956
02:02:38.160 --> 02:02:39.440
Maybe they volunteer at church,

1957
02:02:39.440 --> 02:02:42.320
maybe they have a great job, they raise their kids well,

1958
02:02:42.320 --> 02:02:43.920
they have the perfect family,

1959
02:02:43.920 --> 02:02:46.600
but deep down inside they're still very wounded

1960
02:02:46.600 --> 02:02:47.720
and they don't love themselves,

1961
02:02:47.720 --> 02:02:49.680
but they're putting on a facade.

1962
02:02:49.720 --> 02:02:52.680
And maybe if I called forward those people,

1963
02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:55.920
it would be a different vibe than what I'm getting.

1964
02:02:55.920 --> 02:02:57.760
I don't know, is that kind of what you're thinking

1965
02:02:57.760 --> 02:02:58.760
when you're talking?

1966
02:03:00.360 --> 02:03:03.480
Yeah, sorry, I'm writing some more down.

1967
02:03:03.480 --> 02:03:05.680
Right away, it's all good.

1968
02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:09.160
Okay, so, okay, so, you know,

1969
02:03:09.160 --> 02:03:11.000
take this and do whatever you want with this.

1970
02:03:11.000 --> 02:03:14.280
I had heard this and I didn't believe it would work

1971
02:03:14.280 --> 02:03:16.960
and then I started doing it and oh my word, it works.

1972
02:03:17.800 --> 02:03:20.040
Because I made the same shift that you did.

1973
02:03:20.040 --> 02:03:22.360
So I went through the same process.

1974
02:03:22.360 --> 02:03:24.360
I only talked to the pain, only talked to the pain,

1975
02:03:24.360 --> 02:03:25.520
you know, and pulled out people

1976
02:03:25.520 --> 02:03:27.280
who could identify with the pain.

1977
02:03:27.280 --> 02:03:29.800
Then I switched to what you're talking about

1978
02:03:29.800 --> 02:03:31.960
where it's like, okay, well, yeah,

1979
02:03:31.960 --> 02:03:34.360
you talk about all these wonderful things

1980
02:03:34.360 --> 02:03:39.360
so that they can identify with, you know, more positivity,

1981
02:03:39.560 --> 02:03:44.560
but you still mention things like some negative things.

1982
02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:46.360
Say for instance, what I used to do

1983
02:03:46.760 --> 02:03:49.880
is I used to write my message something like,

1984
02:03:49.880 --> 02:03:52.560
I help people who are stressed

1985
02:03:52.560 --> 02:03:55.560
and I help people not be stressed and anxious.

1986
02:03:55.560 --> 02:03:57.400
Let's just say that I said something like that.

1987
02:03:57.400 --> 02:04:00.560
Well, the problem with that is it identifies,

1988
02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:03.280
it calls out people that identify themselves

1989
02:04:03.280 --> 02:04:04.240
as stressed and anxious.

1990
02:04:04.240 --> 02:04:05.720
And in other words, it calls out people

1991
02:04:05.720 --> 02:04:08.240
who are focused on their pain,

1992
02:04:08.240 --> 02:04:09.760
but I didn't tell them where it is

1993
02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:11.760
that they expect to be going.

1994
02:04:11.760 --> 02:04:15.200
I just called out, hey, do you identify as a victim?

1995
02:04:15.200 --> 02:04:16.680
Is what I was saying.

1996
02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:17.520
Do you identify?

1997
02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:19.320
Yes, yes, I identify as a victim.

1998
02:04:19.320 --> 02:04:21.440
You know, that's not healthy people to attract,

1999
02:04:21.440 --> 02:04:23.200
but do you identify yourself

2000
02:04:23.200 --> 02:04:25.560
as someone who's going through a hard time?

2001
02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:26.840
Yes, yes, I do.

2002
02:04:26.840 --> 02:04:28.520
So it attracted people like that.

2003
02:04:28.520 --> 02:04:33.520
Then I switched it to, I help people move into,

2004
02:04:35.160 --> 02:04:37.320
I'm not remembering the exact phrase that I said,

2005
02:04:37.320 --> 02:04:39.080
but it was something along the lines of,

2006
02:04:39.080 --> 02:04:42.560
I help people shift that are stressed and anxious

2007
02:04:42.600 --> 02:04:44.960
shift into finally living from peace and rest.

2008
02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:47.400
And I thought that would be better,

2009
02:04:47.400 --> 02:04:48.720
but here was the problem.

2010
02:04:48.720 --> 02:04:51.840
It still called people out and attracted people

2011
02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:54.880
who identified themselves as stressed and anxious.

2012
02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:59.800
So I'm calling people out that identify with pain.

2013
02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:06.240
their identity is in pain and those are the people with a poverty mindset and I don't mean with money,

2014
02:05:06.240 --> 02:05:11.440
I mean just with emotionally poverty, you know, mental poverty, you know, mental health poverty,

2015
02:05:11.440 --> 02:05:17.920
whatever, relationship poverty mentality. So what I did instead is I stopped talking to pain.

2016
02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:25.360
I only talk about positive things. You'll notice when you read my post or when you listen to me

2017
02:05:25.360 --> 02:05:33.280
talk, I talk about rest. I do not talk about unrest. If ever I do mention things about like

2018
02:05:33.920 --> 02:05:37.840
being stressed and anxious, like say for instance in the teachings, I'm always talking about it

2019
02:05:37.840 --> 02:05:44.000
where like, okay, you feel that thing? Okay, now this is how to get out of it, as opposed to focusing

2020
02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:47.760
on, yeah, see, doesn't that feel bad? Yeah, we can all understand that, we can all recognize that, right?

2021
02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:52.640
No, I'm just like, okay, no, no, it is this thing that we're talking about is so powerful. When you feel

2022
02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:59.280
stressed and anxious, what you do is you take that and you let it go. You stop holding on to it and I

2023
02:05:59.280 --> 02:06:04.240
focus so much in all my teachings on all the positive. This is where we're going. This is,

2024
02:06:04.240 --> 02:06:09.680
this is what's going on and even when I talk about this, you notice how I spend a lot of time talking

2025
02:06:09.680 --> 02:06:16.080
about the fact, hey look, these are not bad things because we do not want to create, I do not want to

2026
02:06:16.080 --> 02:06:21.280
focus on it, I do not want to create a focus on something that is so painful we're trying to escape

2027
02:06:21.280 --> 02:06:25.840
it because people just feel worse and worse and worse and worse about themselves and the more,

2028
02:06:25.840 --> 02:06:31.840
the more that they focus on pain, if I'm telling them to focus on it, if I'm calling them out on it,

2029
02:06:31.840 --> 02:06:35.840
I'm like, oh look, stress and anxiety, don't you recognize that? You know, don't, can't you relate

2030
02:06:35.840 --> 02:06:41.120
to that? It's calling attention to it and the more attention that we focus on, more attention that we

2031
02:06:41.120 --> 02:06:46.160
give to something, the greater that we feed it and we are feeding the monster we're trying to escape

2032
02:06:46.160 --> 02:06:51.600
from. We are strengthening the thing that we've already not felt strong enough to leave and now

2033
02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:56.880
we're just making it stronger. So what, what all of a sudden people started coming to me when all

2034
02:06:56.880 --> 02:07:01.200
I heard me talk about was rest. I'll go to these conferences, there will be, there are several

2035
02:07:01.200 --> 02:07:05.680
people in the five-day intensive that I've met in person and they asked me, so Ashley, you know,

2036
02:07:05.680 --> 02:07:10.560
what do you do? I say, well I teach people about how to shift into rest. I'm like, are you serious?

2037
02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:15.360
Oh Ashley, we need to connect. That's all I say. I don't talk about people like, oh I help people

2038
02:07:15.360 --> 02:07:21.920
who are stressed and anxious finally be able to be shift into rest. I do not talk about anything

2039
02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:29.360
negative, nothing. That was huge and trust me, I've done the other. So it's not like I'm saying,

2040
02:07:29.360 --> 02:07:33.520
oh yeah, this works and I don't know about the other. No, I did the other and it attracted

2041
02:07:34.240 --> 02:07:40.640
it for months, not a little bit, months. It attracted really, really hard people. It attracted

2042
02:07:40.640 --> 02:07:45.120
people who were demonically oppressed. Like literally they had demons living with them that

2043
02:07:45.120 --> 02:07:49.760
they could see and hear and whatever it was attracting and they didn't want to get out of it.

2044
02:07:51.040 --> 02:07:54.800
They said that they did, but they didn't want to do what they had to do because the demons were

2045
02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:59.600
talking their ears and it was just, and so they didn't want to shift out of it. It, it attracted

2046
02:07:59.600 --> 02:08:06.080
people that would call me from the emergency room because they were going through a panic attack and

2047
02:08:06.240 --> 02:08:10.720
actually I finally want to join. And then they would ghost me like, yeah, actually I do. It's

2048
02:08:10.720 --> 02:08:16.080
like, okay, well, we'll talk about this. So we would get, we'd come to our next schedule to come

2049
02:08:16.080 --> 02:08:21.200
to a scheduled call where I wanted to see if they wanted to join and they'd ghost me. Like they

2050
02:08:21.200 --> 02:08:26.400
literally blocked me. They blocked me on Facebook. They blocked my, my phone number and I'm like,

2051
02:08:26.400 --> 02:08:28.880
you're the one who gave me all of this stuff. You're the one who reached out to me.

2052
02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:35.680
They're in resistance big time. Yes. Yes. So anyway, my, those are extreme situations,

2053
02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:38.960
but there were other ones that matched exactly what you're talking about. Oh,

2054
02:08:38.960 --> 02:08:44.400
gosh, this is just too expensive for me. I don't have enough money and, and more than a cent and

2055
02:08:44.400 --> 02:08:50.560
it's too expensive. Yeah. Well, well it wasn't then back then I was like charging, charging

2056
02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:55.600
particular amounts, but the only way that I could start charging the way that I started charging a

2057
02:08:55.600 --> 02:09:01.280
cent was when I changed my message. So it was my message that was filtering people, not the money.

2058
02:09:02.240 --> 02:09:08.400
Hmm. Yeah. So you were calling people who wanted to overcome, who wanted to rest,

2059
02:09:08.400 --> 02:09:13.600
who wanted something more, better, different. Yeah. You didn't want to escape their pain.

2060
02:09:13.600 --> 02:09:19.600
They're focused on what they're trying to find as opposed to I'm trying to get out of where I am.

2061
02:09:21.680 --> 02:09:27.600
Yeah. I think I'm, Oh, I think I'm a mix of both. Cause I've been sort of taught. You want to

2062
02:09:28.320 --> 02:09:32.080
talk about their pain and relate to their pain. So they know that you understand them and then

2063
02:09:32.080 --> 02:09:38.080
you agitate it a little bit by like kind of going deeper into it. Yeah. And then you show them

2064
02:09:38.800 --> 02:09:44.080
what's possible, which I think, I think I've done a mix of it. Like I'm really positive about what

2065
02:09:44.080 --> 02:09:49.280
they get to do and straightforward about that, but also maybe you're feeling this way right now,

2066
02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:56.080
and maybe this is what you're experiencing and guess what's possible, you know, and that's kind

2067
02:09:56.080 --> 02:09:59.760
of where I go with them, but you think it might work better.

2068
02:10:00.480 --> 02:10:07.520
to just focus on where they get to be, where they get to go, like completely focus on that,

2069
02:10:07.520 --> 02:10:15.120
and not really touch on the pain much at all? That, yes, correct. Now, I've done the other

2070
02:10:15.120 --> 02:10:24.960
because I was taught the other. And I, but again, it is focusing on things that it's creating,

2071
02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:32.240
it's creating, it's getting them to, what you're doing is you're changing the motivation.

2072
02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:38.880
They both work, but by changing the motivation from them, you don't want to attract people who

2073
02:10:38.880 --> 02:10:42.880
are trying to escape pain. And that's what that is where your foot, I know that, I don't know,

2074
02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:46.240
is this backwards for you out of curiosity? No, no, I can see it. Well, yeah, it's good.

2075
02:10:46.880 --> 02:10:52.800
Okay. So it's backwards for me when I look in the camera. What that process is that you're

2076
02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:56.320
talking about, I used to do that. I did that last year, 2019. And what that did,

2077
02:10:56.960 --> 02:11:00.960
that's what I was taught. And I was taught it hard. I mean, that thing was driven home with

2078
02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:06.160
me. Actually, this is what you need to do. And the problem is it does motivate, but I don't

2079
02:11:06.160 --> 02:11:11.280
like that motivation. It attracts a certain type of person that I don't want. And because what I'm

2080
02:11:11.280 --> 02:11:17.280
doing is I'm getting them to own how bad their situation is so that their motivation is to get

2081
02:11:17.280 --> 02:11:23.520
out of it. And I don't, and I no longer wanted to do that. And I, um, I wanted to, um, and what

2082
02:11:23.520 --> 02:11:27.360
helped me was a business coach that I had. He went through the same program that I did.

2083
02:11:27.360 --> 02:11:33.680
Only what he does is he does the opposite. He focuses on this and he calls this person out in,

2084
02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:37.920
in the, um, in the message. That's what he did with me. And that's why I joined him. And he

2085
02:11:37.920 --> 02:11:46.800
began to use a Jew. Actually, he said he was Jewish rabbi. That was my business coach. Yeah.

2086
02:11:46.880 --> 02:11:52.480
And, uh, and so he's the one who taught me about this, this change of perspective of this light.

2087
02:11:52.480 --> 02:11:57.440
No, Ashley, the Lord is good. The Lord is very good. I'm having to learn this from a Jewish

2088
02:11:57.440 --> 02:12:03.440
rabbi. It was this, but anyway, you know, he didn't believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Um,

2089
02:12:04.560 --> 02:12:10.160
and may that, and may that change, Lord. Uh, but, uh, he, he changed my perspective to think,

2090
02:12:10.160 --> 02:12:16.080
no, no, no, no. If I, if I, if I know my God, what is my God do? My God focuses on the positive.

2091
02:12:16.080 --> 02:12:20.480
He focuses on, on who it is that I am and who it is that we are. And he calls us into it. He

2092
02:12:20.480 --> 02:12:25.840
doesn't just be like, okay, look, you're so bad. You know, you need to come to me. Uh, and so he

2093
02:12:25.840 --> 02:12:30.400
doesn't create pain. He's like, Hey, wouldn't, this is who you are. I'm calling you out to this

2094
02:12:30.400 --> 02:12:34.320
place. Just like what I was talking about earlier, where if you see your clients and you talk to

2095
02:12:34.320 --> 02:12:40.560
your clients as this person in those clarity calls, as opposed to this person who can be more,

2096
02:12:40.560 --> 02:12:44.720
wouldn't you like to be more? I know you can be more. I can help you be more. You can do this.

2097
02:12:44.720 --> 02:12:54.960
That is, that is creating a, um, a, uh, a false oops, uh, creating a, um, a fake support system

2098
02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:58.880
that they can't, that they can't rely on. You can't sustain them because if that's how they

2099
02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:02.560
get up there, well, then that's how they're going to be, uh, have to be sustained. So if you just

2100
02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:07.440
talk to this person, they get to choose as to whether or not they can resonate with that person

2101
02:13:07.440 --> 02:13:12.640
and resonate with wanting to be that, but they have to choose it for themselves. Um, so I just

2102
02:13:12.640 --> 02:13:18.320
changed the motivation instead of, instead of motivating people to join the rest intensive

2103
02:13:18.320 --> 02:13:23.040
or to be attracted to the idea of rest, because they were just simply trying to escape the fact

2104
02:13:23.040 --> 02:13:27.920
that they didn't feel at rest. Instead of doing that, I just attracted people. Hey, regardless

2105
02:13:27.920 --> 02:13:32.720
of what situation you're in, wouldn't you like to operate out of rest? And then it attracted

2106
02:13:32.720 --> 02:13:39.920
more healthy people because some people were really far out of rest. I mean, like bad, bad,

2107
02:13:40.240 --> 02:13:46.400
bad, bad out of rest, but because they're, they, because their, their, their motivation for joining

2108
02:13:46.400 --> 02:13:52.960
the rest intensive was not to escape, but it was to go somewhere. They have been amazing people

2109
02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:59.840
to work with. Uh, and then there are others who weren't as bad, but they still, but they still,

2110
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you know, were stressed, anxious, you know, whatever the issue was. And then they wanted,

2111
02:14:04.320 --> 02:14:10.720
but they, they wanted rest there. So my point is that I'm attracting people who are wanting

2112
02:14:10.720 --> 02:14:17.440
to attract people whose motivation wants to be, to wants to be the one whose motivation is this,

2113
02:14:18.160 --> 02:14:24.160
not to escape this. And what that ends up doing is it attracts by attracting those people.

2114
02:14:24.160 --> 02:14:31.360
I no longer focus on where people are coming from. When my clarity calls, I am not filtering

2115
02:14:32.000 --> 02:14:38.400
and, and, and sensing from people how bad their pain is, is to know whether or not I can help

2116
02:14:38.400 --> 02:14:44.000
them. I'm trying to figure out how serious they are about this. And so everyone that comes to me

2117
02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:48.000
is at different levels down here. Some are in the body. Some feel like they're worse than they're

2118
02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:52.160
even lower than the body. I mean, they're just like, so, so damaged. Uh, and then there are

2119
02:14:52.160 --> 02:14:57.280
others who are just like barely right there and almost in, almost inside, you know, and they're,

2120
02:14:57.280 --> 02:15:00.160
they're very high. They're even, they're in the soul or they're, it almost.

2121
02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:06.080
It's like they're above this all. And, uh, but so I don't have to worry about where people are.

2122
02:15:06.080 --> 02:15:10.720
All I have to worry about is what they want. I don't want to attract people who want to escape

2123
02:15:10.720 --> 02:15:16.160
this. I want to attract people who whose eyes are on this. So I get people that in the group that

2124
02:15:16.160 --> 02:15:24.480
are in various in varying degrees of, uh, trauma. Some are really, really, really far down the pipe,

2125
02:15:24.480 --> 02:15:28.800
but they're not in a poverty mentality because this is their focus. Their focus is not how bad

2126
02:15:28.800 --> 02:15:34.800
they are. Their focus is on what they want. So then would you even, would you even talk about

2127
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like, cause I'm talking about self-worth and self-love and I am talking about healing,

2128
02:15:41.360 --> 02:15:45.520
you know, from the past, instead of talking about healing past pain and hurt, would you just,

2129
02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:50.320
would you even talk about like, you know, being in a place of, of being healed from,

2130
02:15:51.600 --> 02:15:56.320
you know, is that calling them forward into the vision of, you know, do you want to be healed

2131
02:15:56.320 --> 02:16:04.320
from imagine like, you know, being, being healed fully from those old wounds. Like I still feel

2132
02:16:04.320 --> 02:16:09.600
like I'm calling them forward, but then I'm also talking about the past, but I'm not focusing on

2133
02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:14.240
it too much. So is that, is that going along with what you're saying? Or is that still focusing on

2134
02:16:14.240 --> 02:16:22.400
the past? Uh, it's still focusing on the past now, no, that it works, but you're going, the people

2135
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that you'll attract by that are people who focus on it. Um, you know, even if they don't focus on

2136
02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:34.080
it as much as other people, they still focus on it. Um, so what you're doing is you're wanting

2137
02:16:34.080 --> 02:16:40.879
to attract people whose mindset and, and, and, um, insights are on something, not people you're

2138
02:16:40.879 --> 02:16:46.080
not trying to filter. Okay. I'm only wanting to attract people who are struggling with trauma.

2139
02:16:47.200 --> 02:16:50.240
Really what you're wanting is you're wanting people to move into this. You're wanting to

2140
02:16:50.240 --> 02:16:56.559
help people move into this. So you don't care where they're coming from. You don't care what

2141
02:16:56.559 --> 02:16:59.600
their issue is. You don't care whether or not they've been through trauma. You're just wanting

2142
02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:05.200
to attract, to attract this, the people that want that a lot, they're all going to have trauma.

2143
02:17:05.200 --> 02:17:08.559
They're just going to have it in varying degrees. Some are going to have been raped. Some are going

2144
02:17:08.559 --> 02:17:12.719
to have been through a cult. Some of them are just going to be like, well, I don't know. I just don't

2145
02:17:12.719 --> 02:17:16.719
feel good about myself. I was raised in a wonderful home and I just don't feel good about myself.

2146
02:17:16.719 --> 02:17:20.719
Nothing really awful as mad as happened, but I do want this. Those will be wonderful,

2147
02:17:20.719 --> 02:17:25.040
fun people to work with because you get to help them shift into something it is that they want.

2148
02:17:25.040 --> 02:17:30.719
And it doesn't matter the, the event that happened. So what you're doing is you're talking

2149
02:17:30.719 --> 02:17:38.240
to people about you, um, you're, you're telling them who it, you are talking to who it is that

2150
02:17:38.240 --> 02:17:45.840
they are and being the first person in their lives to identify them, to, to see them as somebody,

2151
02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:52.559
as opposed to what it is they want to do instead of saying, Oh, wouldn't you like to shift out of

2152
02:17:52.559 --> 02:18:02.559
this? Um, you can, um, it's more like, this is who you are and this is how I see you.

2153
02:18:02.559 --> 02:18:07.440
They're going to want to join your program just to be around someone who sees them like that.

2154
02:18:08.400 --> 02:18:12.639
And then they, as a result, Oh my goodness, maybe they can start believing. Maybe that is

2155
02:18:12.639 --> 02:18:16.559
who really who I am. And then they'll start. And then they'll start changing as opposed to,

2156
02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:23.200
there's something I need to do. I need to heal. I need to change. I need to, I need to escape.

2157
02:18:23.200 --> 02:18:27.520
I need to heal my wounds. I need to need to have my wounds healed. However they wanted to word it.

2158
02:18:28.080 --> 02:18:34.719
It's more like, I, this is who I want to believe I am. And then when you believe that that's who

2159
02:18:34.719 --> 02:18:40.719
you are, everything else starts to, starts to heal. Um, that people are very, very attracted

2160
02:18:40.719 --> 02:18:45.280
to that. At least, you know, people with a health, with a healthier mindset is, um, so what

2161
02:18:45.280 --> 02:18:51.920
you're doing is doing, did I talk about this last night? I remember it's what we do with all of

2162
02:18:51.920 --> 02:18:57.280
creation, whether we're talking to our own souls and body, or we're talking to another aspect of

2163
02:18:57.280 --> 02:19:02.879
creation to send other people's souls, or we're talking to plants, trees, the moon, whatever

2164
02:19:03.600 --> 02:19:11.680
we are. We as the sons and Kings of God up here, we are called to declare and identify to creation

2165
02:19:11.680 --> 02:19:19.120
who it is. So that's what you're doing with your, with, um, when you're pre screening clients, uh,

2166
02:19:19.120 --> 02:19:27.840
it is, you are, or, you know, even when after they are your clients are our responsibility as a King,

2167
02:19:27.840 --> 02:19:33.200
he was sitting on a throne governing an aspect of creation, whether it be our solar body, another

2168
02:19:33.200 --> 02:19:37.280
person's soul or rocks or plants or spiritual laws or whatever, whatever it is that we're

2169
02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:43.040
governing from that position. What does the King do? A King declares what everything is,

2170
02:19:43.760 --> 02:19:48.640
you know, it, it identifies it, it names it. That's what Adam did. God created the animals,

2171
02:19:48.640 --> 02:19:52.880
but Adam named him. And by naming him, he declared something about their character and their

2172
02:19:52.880 --> 02:19:58.720
personality because it's in a name. And we know that because of how God, um, the significance that

2173
02:19:58.720 --> 02:19:59.840
God says that name.

2174
02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:05.280
have. He changed Abram's name to Abraham. He changed Sarah's name to Sarah. He changed

2175
02:20:05.840 --> 02:20:10.880
Jacob's name to Israel. He changes people's names. Why? Because names mean something.

2176
02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:17.280
In the Old Testament, it always said, oh, well, you know, that so-and-so named their child such

2177
02:20:17.280 --> 02:20:23.520
and such because if he bore them in struggle, you know, it's a terrible thing to declare a child.

2178
02:20:23.520 --> 02:20:28.480
In other words, it means something. So what we're doing is we're identifying something. We're

2179
02:20:28.480 --> 02:20:35.360
identifying to a pre-screening, what do I call that, you know, potential client, to a potential

2180
02:20:35.360 --> 02:20:40.880
client, you know, I'm seeing you as an individual. This is who you are. This is how I see you. And

2181
02:20:40.880 --> 02:20:45.520
you don't have to say those words. You can just, you can talk to the person that you know you're

2182
02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:48.800
seeing them as, and that's how you interact with them. You're talking to them as if they're a

2183
02:20:48.800 --> 02:20:54.000
healthy person, not as if they're a sick person. Wow, you're this, wow, you're this, and oh my

2184
02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:58.560
goodness, you can do this, and wow, I can see this, and oh my word, you have made an amazing

2185
02:20:58.560 --> 02:21:03.040
choice in your life from the story that you told me to do this, that, and the other, as opposed to,

2186
02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:08.080
oh yeah, those bad things that happened to you, you didn't deserve that. No, wow, you made this

2187
02:21:08.080 --> 02:21:13.920
choice. You made this choice. You know, you've got, you have, you have been through so much,

2188
02:21:13.920 --> 02:21:19.440
and you saw it with knowing that that isn't who you are and knowing that that was more for you.

2189
02:21:19.520 --> 02:21:23.920
And, oh my word, you're, you're continuing to press into that, and God honors that, and God

2190
02:21:23.920 --> 02:21:29.280
loves that. You're talking to the person who made all the good choices, not the person that had bad

2191
02:21:29.280 --> 02:21:35.600
things happen to them. That's what I'm talking about in talking to this person. Is that helpful?

2192
02:21:35.600 --> 02:21:40.160
I'm not trying to say that what it is you're doing is wrong or bad, because it's not. I'm saying if

2193
02:21:40.160 --> 02:21:46.160
you're attracting those people, that's what I had to learn. Why, why I was attracting those people

2194
02:21:46.160 --> 02:21:51.040
is acknowledging their brokenness and their pain. I was getting people who focused on their

2195
02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:56.800
brokenness and their pain. Yeah. So if you're wanting to change that, here's how I, I, I've

2196
02:21:56.800 --> 02:22:01.840
done it. And it doesn't mean that I don't, that there aren't people that kind of come through

2197
02:22:01.840 --> 02:22:07.280
anyway, but that's between them and the Lord. The Lord just sent me to love on them, you know?

2198
02:22:08.320 --> 02:22:13.200
Yeah, no, I like it. It totally makes sense. I guess I just, I wouldn't know how to articulate

2199
02:22:13.200 --> 02:22:19.760
that. That's the first thing. It's knowing how to actually articulate who I'm speaking to as like

2200
02:22:20.320 --> 02:22:26.880
who they are, who they want to be. And I also have been told many, many times in my life,

2201
02:22:26.880 --> 02:22:32.640
and I don't know what you think of this, that I look to put together and that if I don't show

2202
02:22:32.640 --> 02:22:37.040
vulnerability and that I understand where they are because I've been through it, that they're

2203
02:22:37.040 --> 02:22:43.360
not totally going to trust me. So yeah, I understand why people are saying that, but that

2204
02:22:43.360 --> 02:22:49.520
is not true. Um, uh, meaning like it doesn't have to be that way. You need to be who it is that you

2205
02:22:49.520 --> 02:22:55.120
are. You just need to be who it is that you are. If there's an element in which you're trying to

2206
02:22:55.120 --> 02:23:02.160
present yourself in a particular way, which subconsciously is if you're together and you get

2207
02:23:02.160 --> 02:23:06.560
on a call thing, okay, I need to have the answers that subconsciously is going to come across.

2208
02:23:06.560 --> 02:23:11.680
And then, but all that people know is what it is. You look like there don't realize,

2209
02:23:11.680 --> 02:23:15.920
and you look put together. You always look very put together. That's the only way they can

2210
02:23:15.920 --> 02:23:20.720
articulate the fact that something's not quite right. Something doesn't feel sincere. Something

2211
02:23:20.720 --> 02:23:25.840
doesn't feel authentic. Something feels put on because they can only see the outside. So they're

2212
02:23:25.840 --> 02:23:33.600
attributing it to it. And that is absolutely 100% not true. You present yourself and express yourself

2213
02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:38.880
and how you in, um, in the clothes that you wear and how you conduct yourself and in, in,

2214
02:23:38.880 --> 02:23:42.400
in the way that you do your hair and the way that you do your makeup as an expression of your

2215
02:23:42.400 --> 02:23:49.680
authentic self. So what you do is if you shift the, the inside of whatever you feel has to be

2216
02:23:49.680 --> 02:23:54.480
a particular way, has to have all of the answers, wants to make sure to be there for the other

2217
02:23:54.480 --> 02:23:58.960
person. We could put all kinds of godly terms on it because they are, it's coming from a very

2218
02:23:58.960 --> 02:24:08.080
genuine place. Um, if you change that and, and, and, and, um, uh, and not hold and learn to have

2219
02:24:08.720 --> 02:24:14.800
less judgment, learn to have less judgment for ourselves, that authenticity will come across.

2220
02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:21.680
Even, um, uh, we'll come across even more. And what people will see is they will not feel

2221
02:24:21.680 --> 02:24:26.560
threatened by how it is that you look because they think that, oh, well, she's not, she's,

2222
02:24:26.560 --> 02:24:31.680
she looks to put together because of how she's conducting herself and how herself and how she's

2223
02:24:31.680 --> 02:24:36.960
articulating things and how she's dressed today and whatever, what they will see instead is they'll

2224
02:24:36.960 --> 02:24:42.560
see. They'll, they'll sense in the spirit because that's their issue. Their issue is not the visual

2225
02:24:42.560 --> 02:24:46.720
their issue. That's the only way they know how to attach the fact that they don't like something.

2226
02:24:46.720 --> 02:24:51.040
The fact that something doesn't make them feel sincere. It's like, well, it's probably cause

2227
02:24:51.120 --> 02:24:58.400
she looks like that. It is not. So in other words, they can get past it as long as the internal

2228
02:24:58.400 --> 02:24:59.840
projection. Um,

2229
02:25:00.000 --> 02:25:06.960
is, is different. Um, so just, if you just, if you just relax and you don't think, oh, well,

2230
02:25:06.960 --> 02:25:10.560
I've got to get something out of this. This is, this is very important because this is a business

2231
02:25:10.560 --> 02:25:15.600
call. I'm helping someone else. I need to make sure that I'm there for them. If there's all

2232
02:25:15.600 --> 02:25:21.200
of these things that you're requiring of yourself to do and be for the other person or for the call,

2233
02:25:21.200 --> 02:25:25.600
it comes across. And the only way that they're able to assist that the only way they're able

2234
02:25:25.600 --> 02:25:31.360
to connect with it is to like, well, you look to put together bogus, absolute bogus. It's,

2235
02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:37.680
it's a spiritual thing that they're, that they're sensing. So, um, does that make sense?

2236
02:25:38.240 --> 02:25:43.600
There's nothing wrong with you be yourself. I guess. Yeah. Like, I guess I've just been

2237
02:25:44.640 --> 02:25:50.240
told that so many times, like if you, if you want to talk to these women who are in these places in

2238
02:25:50.240 --> 02:25:54.800
life and want to get out of them, which might be part of the correlation, right. As I've been

2239
02:25:54.800 --> 02:26:00.160
talking to women who want to get out of the pain. So therefore I need to talk about the pain that

2240
02:26:00.160 --> 02:26:05.760
I've been through in order for them to understand that I understand the pain and that they can get

2241
02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:12.640
out of it because I've gotten out of it. But if I come at it from a place of I'm holding you to

2242
02:26:12.640 --> 02:26:19.680
this level that God has already created you at, then I don't need to talk about my pain as much

2243
02:26:19.680 --> 02:26:26.240
because whatever you're you've been through, I'm holding you to this level that you're at.

2244
02:26:26.240 --> 02:26:34.000
You just don't quite believe it yet. Yes. So you can talk about your, um, we can talk about our

2245
02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:44.320
pain, but we do it very, very, very little, very little. So I have posts once every so often that

2246
02:26:44.320 --> 02:26:47.840
I'll talk about, Oh, I've been through this. This is what I used to believe and whatever,

2247
02:26:48.480 --> 02:26:54.560
but it's the posts and those catch people's attention. But the people that really want to

2248
02:26:54.560 --> 02:27:00.080
join the rest intensive or the, or the, the most powerful posts that make people want to join are

2249
02:27:00.080 --> 02:27:05.600
all of the positive things. They hear y'all's positive testimonies that, that, um, are posted

2250
02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:11.040
on my, on my, um, uh, on my personal page. They hear me talk about all of the wonderful things

2251
02:27:11.040 --> 02:27:14.800
that rest is the wonderful things that they can move into the wonderful testimonies from other

2252
02:27:14.800 --> 02:27:19.920
people. Those are the, those are the posts that people are seeing that right after that, right.

2253
02:27:19.920 --> 02:27:24.000
When they see that all of a sudden I get this, I get all of these people who contact me about

2254
02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:29.600
wanting, wanting to join it. So it's not that we don't talk about our pain. Um, just like y'all,

2255
02:27:29.600 --> 02:27:36.240
y'all had told me you like to hear my experience, but you, but why do you like to hear about it?

2256
02:27:36.240 --> 02:27:41.840
Because I don't talk about it. I don't, that's not the focus of the rest intensive. So you just

2257
02:27:41.840 --> 02:27:46.400
kind of want to hear it once or twice and it's kind of like, Oh, okay. All right. Got it. I've

2258
02:27:46.400 --> 02:27:51.600
got a connection. So in other, but it's not the majority of it, but it kind of gives you something.

2259
02:27:51.600 --> 02:28:01.760
So, um, I don't talk in my clarity calls. Um, I do not talk about my, my, um, my pain in my experience

2260
02:28:02.720 --> 02:28:07.280
usually at all. Every now and then someone will say something like, say for instance,

2261
02:28:07.280 --> 02:28:13.440
that they're really, um, have had a lot of trauma in business. I might sometimes that's one that I

2262
02:28:13.440 --> 02:28:19.760
do bring up. I'll be like, yeah, you know, I, um, I understand that this was my experience

2263
02:28:19.760 --> 02:28:26.160
and I'm serious. I make it like, um, sometimes two minutes long, if that, because that seems

2264
02:28:26.160 --> 02:28:32.240
like a long time, just two minutes out of an hour call two minutes. And that's it just so that they,

2265
02:28:32.240 --> 02:28:36.480
they hear it. But what they're, what they're interested in is not someone who's been through

2266
02:28:36.480 --> 02:28:40.800
what they've been through. They're interested at least the people that I want to attract,

2267
02:28:40.800 --> 02:28:45.360
the people that I want to attract. I do not want to attract because they can relate to me because

2268
02:28:45.360 --> 02:28:51.600
we all understand what pain is. I want them to, to be attracted to me because they,

2269
02:28:51.600 --> 02:28:58.160
they see what my life is like, like I want a life like that. Then I can just, you know, mention like

2270
02:28:58.160 --> 02:29:04.400
in one minute or two, Hey, you know, this was my experience, but I, I don't gloss over it as if it's

2271
02:29:04.400 --> 02:29:11.200
not important, but I make it, I hit the highlights. I make really big, big, bold statements that kind

2272
02:29:11.200 --> 02:29:16.400
of like take multiple years of pain and like squish it into, you know, like a couple of phrases

2273
02:29:16.400 --> 02:29:22.960
or whatever it just so that they're like, okay, she really has gone to some, some deep places.

2274
02:29:23.840 --> 02:29:31.600
And she went from a deep place like that to the 98% of everything else that she's telling me about.

2275
02:29:31.840 --> 02:29:37.360
I paint this picture. I make the power come from the light and the truth, as opposed to,

2276
02:29:38.240 --> 02:29:42.720
as opposed to the pain or, or the fact that I could relate to them.

2277
02:29:43.680 --> 02:29:47.120
It's, I don't want to motivate people to join because they can relate to me.

2278
02:29:48.560 --> 02:29:55.440
I want people to want what I have. There's enough out enough of people out there to make people feel

2279
02:29:55.440 --> 02:29:58.240
like people can relate to them. They can watch lifetime television.

2280
02:30:00.000 --> 02:30:01.520
they have someone like to them.

2281
02:30:02.640 --> 02:30:03.840
That's not hard to find.

2282
02:30:04.800 --> 02:30:07.560
But to find someone who's living a life

2283
02:30:08.600 --> 02:30:11.400
and has a perspective about themselves

2284
02:30:11.400 --> 02:30:14.560
that you wish that you could have, that's rare.

2285
02:30:14.560 --> 02:30:16.880
So that's why I wanna provide to them.

2286
02:30:16.880 --> 02:30:17.720
No, I like that.

2287
02:30:17.720 --> 02:30:21.800
And I think I'd get to figure out how to articulate that

2288
02:30:21.800 --> 02:30:26.000
from self-love and self-worth

2289
02:30:26.040 --> 02:30:30.280
without focusing on why they don't have

2290
02:30:30.280 --> 02:30:31.920
a lot of self-love and self-worth.

2291
02:30:31.920 --> 02:30:34.480
And I think that's where it's a bit tricky for me.

2292
02:30:34.480 --> 02:30:38.320
It's like, I wanna call them forward into like,

2293
02:30:38.320 --> 02:30:40.080
I would never know where to start

2294
02:30:40.080 --> 02:30:44.680
with trying to articulate that in like a Facebook ad,

2295
02:30:44.680 --> 02:30:46.800
for example, to try to attract the right people

2296
02:30:46.800 --> 02:30:48.440
when I do the self-love challenge again,

2297
02:30:48.440 --> 02:30:50.160
or maybe I call it something different.

2298
02:30:50.160 --> 02:30:54.360
But it's like, I know who I'm attracting

2299
02:30:54.360 --> 02:30:56.520
and I know where they get to go.

2300
02:30:56.520 --> 02:30:57.960
And I know what they get to believe

2301
02:30:57.960 --> 02:31:00.720
to be where they wanna be.

2302
02:31:00.720 --> 02:31:03.880
But I don't really know how to articulate that

2303
02:31:03.880 --> 02:31:05.600
in a language that they would understand

2304
02:31:05.600 --> 02:31:07.680
because they understand their pain,

2305
02:31:07.680 --> 02:31:10.200
but they don't always understand

2306
02:31:10.200 --> 02:31:12.400
the vision of where they wanna go.

2307
02:31:12.400 --> 02:31:13.400
If that makes sense.

2308
02:31:14.400 --> 02:31:17.800
Okay, so it made a very interesting point

2309
02:31:17.800 --> 02:31:21.120
is that

2310
02:31:21.120 --> 02:31:26.120
the people that you're describing,

2311
02:31:26.920 --> 02:31:29.040
that they can't see where they wanna go

2312
02:31:29.040 --> 02:31:31.520
and they can only see their pain

2313
02:31:31.520 --> 02:31:35.840
are historically the people that you've interacted with,

2314
02:31:35.840 --> 02:31:38.840
which are the people that you don't want to attract.

2315
02:31:40.200 --> 02:31:42.360
So there are people out there

2316
02:31:42.360 --> 02:31:44.880
who see where it is they wanna go.

2317
02:31:44.880 --> 02:31:45.960
And how do I know that?

2318
02:31:45.960 --> 02:31:48.320
You're for instance, one of them.

2319
02:31:48.320 --> 02:31:51.000
You knew what you wanted

2320
02:31:51.880 --> 02:31:53.720
and maybe you didn't know it until you heard it.

2321
02:31:53.720 --> 02:31:55.120
But when you heard it, it resonated.

2322
02:31:55.120 --> 02:31:57.720
You're like, there's something there and I want it.

2323
02:31:57.720 --> 02:32:00.080
I don't even fully know what it is, but I want it.

2324
02:32:00.080 --> 02:32:03.640
When people hear it, if their ears,

2325
02:32:03.640 --> 02:32:05.240
meaning like their spiritual ears,

2326
02:32:05.240 --> 02:32:07.360
the soulless ears, whatever, are open to hearing it,

2327
02:32:07.360 --> 02:32:09.680
they will hear it and they will be able to recognize it.

2328
02:32:09.680 --> 02:32:13.520
They may not be able to articulate it to someone else,

2329
02:32:13.520 --> 02:32:15.720
but you can articulate it for them

2330
02:32:15.720 --> 02:32:17.560
and it can resonate with them.

2331
02:32:17.560 --> 02:32:19.400
You can give words to feelings

2332
02:32:19.400 --> 02:32:21.160
that they didn't know they had,

2333
02:32:21.160 --> 02:32:22.360
that something deep down in there

2334
02:32:22.360 --> 02:32:25.120
that was longing and yearning and reaching for something

2335
02:32:25.120 --> 02:32:27.240
and you said it into words

2336
02:32:27.240 --> 02:32:29.120
and that's what they resonated with.

2337
02:32:29.120 --> 02:32:30.360
But I think that historically,

2338
02:32:30.360 --> 02:32:31.920
the people that you've been interacting with

2339
02:32:31.920 --> 02:32:35.400
are people who can't see anything but their pain.

2340
02:32:35.400 --> 02:32:40.400
But those are people that haven't owned their healing

2341
02:32:41.280 --> 02:32:43.320
and owned the opportunity to heal.

2342
02:32:43.320 --> 02:32:47.480
And therefore, if they haven't owned

2343
02:32:47.480 --> 02:32:49.040
their opportunity to heal,

2344
02:32:49.680 --> 02:32:51.640
they're gonna rely on you to heal them.

2345
02:32:52.880 --> 02:32:55.360
And I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to plug in my phone.

2346
02:32:55.360 --> 02:32:57.960
It says it's about to die.

2347
02:32:57.960 --> 02:33:02.960
But anyway, so you're wanting to attract people

2348
02:33:03.520 --> 02:33:05.640
who've already, because they have to own it.

2349
02:33:05.640 --> 02:33:07.600
This has to be a choice that they make for them,

2350
02:33:07.600 --> 02:33:11.200
not a choice that we convince them to make for themselves.

2351
02:33:11.200 --> 02:33:16.200
And the way that you can empower them

2352
02:33:16.840 --> 02:33:18.680
to make a choice for themselves

2353
02:33:18.680 --> 02:33:21.360
is by not making the choice for them.

2354
02:33:21.360 --> 02:33:24.800
So your whole thing in a clarity call with a client,

2355
02:33:24.800 --> 02:33:28.000
and when I say you, I'm talking about us,

2356
02:33:28.000 --> 02:33:31.720
our whole point in a clarity call is to empower someone

2357
02:33:36.080 --> 02:33:38.920
by clearing away, helping them clear away

2358
02:33:38.920 --> 02:33:40.760
as much of the fog as possible

2359
02:33:40.760 --> 02:33:43.080
so that they can decide what it is they want.

2360
02:33:43.080 --> 02:33:46.080
It's not to tell them that they should want something.

2361
02:33:46.760 --> 02:33:49.040
It's not to convince them that they should want something.

2362
02:33:49.040 --> 02:33:51.640
It is to clear away the fog they have

2363
02:33:53.680 --> 02:33:55.360
where they can't quite figure it out

2364
02:33:55.360 --> 02:33:58.680
and decide for themselves what it is they really want.

2365
02:33:58.680 --> 02:34:00.440
They say that they wanna be healed and whatever,

2366
02:34:00.440 --> 02:34:02.240
but you and I both know, having worked with people,

2367
02:34:02.240 --> 02:34:05.000
that is not what everybody wants.

2368
02:34:05.000 --> 02:34:06.600
They don't all want to be healed.

2369
02:34:06.600 --> 02:34:09.320
They wanna not deal with what they're dealing with,

2370
02:34:09.320 --> 02:34:11.760
but they don't want to actually live in a state of healing

2371
02:34:11.760 --> 02:34:15.120
because their identity is in their pain.

2372
02:34:15.520 --> 02:34:16.840
I have multiple people in my life

2373
02:34:16.840 --> 02:34:18.360
whose identity is in their pain.

2374
02:34:18.360 --> 02:34:19.960
My identity used to be in my pain.

2375
02:34:19.960 --> 02:34:22.560
I can fully, you know,

2376
02:34:22.560 --> 02:34:24.760
I used to be able to fully relate to that.

2377
02:34:25.760 --> 02:34:28.320
So it's just to clear the fog

2378
02:34:28.320 --> 02:34:31.880
so that they can empower them to make their own decision.

2379
02:34:31.880 --> 02:34:33.520
And they get to choose as to whether or not

2380
02:34:33.520 --> 02:34:38.040
they want to recognize and step into that power,

2381
02:34:38.040 --> 02:34:40.520
but that is what it is that you're offering to them.

2382
02:34:40.520 --> 02:34:42.400
You are giving them something in that call

2383
02:34:42.400 --> 02:34:44.560
that no one else has ever given them.

2384
02:34:45.000 --> 02:34:45.840
And it's to let them know,

2385
02:34:45.840 --> 02:34:48.000
it is to empower them to make a decision

2386
02:34:48.000 --> 02:34:50.520
by believing that they can make the right decision.

2387
02:34:50.520 --> 02:34:52.400
Not the decision you want them to make,

2388
02:34:52.400 --> 02:34:55.760
but that empower them to know that you believe

2389
02:34:55.760 --> 02:34:58.760
that they can make good decisions for themselves

2390
02:34:58.760 --> 02:35:00.200
and that you support.

2391
02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:05.800
for them making a decision regardless of what the decision is.

2392
02:35:05.800 --> 02:35:14.400
So how, how do you articulate that in a way, let's say I was going to run a Facebook ad

2393
02:35:14.400 --> 02:35:15.400
again.

2394
02:35:15.400 --> 02:35:18.760
I'm going to go get the charger.

2395
02:35:18.760 --> 02:35:19.760
Okay.

2396
02:35:19.760 --> 02:35:26.560
Let's say I run another Facebook ad and I want to call forward the people in that vision

2397
02:35:26.560 --> 02:35:36.560
or, you know, trying to explain to them, stay, stay, sorry, my dog, go ahead.

2398
02:35:36.560 --> 02:35:41.080
Sorry, I'm not telling you to stay.

2399
02:35:41.080 --> 02:35:47.360
Yeah, like how do you work in like a Facebook ad to people when you're getting them into

2400
02:35:47.360 --> 02:35:53.040
your challenge and you're throwing it out there and giving them this creation idea of

2401
02:35:53.040 --> 02:35:54.120
where they could be.

2402
02:35:54.120 --> 02:35:59.320
But they're so disconnected, well, they're not completely disconnected from it, but in

2403
02:35:59.320 --> 02:36:04.200
a sense they're disconnected because they can't fully see it, but, and you want to speak

2404
02:36:04.200 --> 02:36:05.200
their language.

2405
02:36:05.200 --> 02:36:09.520
You don't want to just use words like I could be like your identity in Christ coming into

2406
02:36:09.520 --> 02:36:13.120
agreement with who he says you are and all that stuff, but people are going to, it's

2407
02:36:13.120 --> 02:36:15.240
going to go way over a lot of people's heads.

2408
02:36:15.240 --> 02:36:22.120
So I'm just, how do you articulate it so that it makes sense so that it's, you know, it's

2409
02:36:22.120 --> 02:36:29.160
attracting those people because I feel like I don't know how to articulate it.

2410
02:36:29.160 --> 02:36:36.880
Part of it is, whoops, are you there, yeah, there we go.

2411
02:36:36.880 --> 02:36:46.360
So what I recommend that you do is look at the post that I have done and see if you can

2412
02:36:46.360 --> 02:36:52.600
hear some of this in there, but what it is you're doing is you were talking, you were,

2413
02:36:52.600 --> 02:37:00.680
okay, I'm going to draw this really quick, but before I do, will you excuse me just a

2414
02:37:00.680 --> 02:37:02.680
second to run to the rest of it.

2415
02:37:02.680 --> 02:37:03.680
Sorry, just a second.

2416
02:37:03.680 --> 02:37:04.680
No, never apologize.

2417
02:37:04.680 --> 02:37:09.880
I just keep wanting to explain, even though it's very embarrassing for me, because I don't

2418
02:37:09.880 --> 02:37:14.640
want you to think, hey, look, I've got other things I need to do, so just a second.

2419
02:37:14.640 --> 02:37:17.920
If we were on an audio call and I needed to go to the bathroom, honestly, I would just

2420
02:37:17.920 --> 02:37:20.480
go and not even tell you that I was going.

2421
02:37:20.480 --> 02:37:24.520
No, I would do the same thing, and I have done that with people before, but we're on

2422
02:37:24.520 --> 02:37:27.840
a visual call, so I have to leave you, so just a second.

2423
02:37:27.840 --> 02:37:28.840
Don't worry.

2424
02:37:28.840 --> 02:37:29.360
It's awesome.

2425
02:39:14.640 --> 02:39:35.680
Okay, so can you remind me one more time?

2426
02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:36.680
I was about to draw something.

2427
02:39:36.680 --> 02:39:39.600
Can you remind me one more time what I was about to draw?

2428
02:39:39.600 --> 02:39:40.880
What was your question?

2429
02:39:40.880 --> 02:39:47.960
I was saying, like, how do you, in a sense, like, call forward the people in, say, a Facebook

2430
02:39:47.960 --> 02:39:48.960
ad or something?

2431
02:39:48.960 --> 02:39:49.960
Yeah, a Facebook ad.

2432
02:39:49.960 --> 02:39:50.960
Okay.

2433
02:39:50.960 --> 02:39:51.960
All right.

2434
02:39:51.960 --> 02:39:52.960
Thank you.

2435
02:39:52.960 --> 02:39:52.960


2436
02:40:00.480 --> 02:40:00.840
Okay.

2437
02:40:00.840 --> 02:40:26.440
Okay, so this is what I've never had anyone explain this to me, but this is how I have

2438
02:40:26.440 --> 02:40:27.440
done it.

2439
02:40:27.440 --> 02:40:28.440
And it kind of works.

2440
02:40:28.440 --> 02:40:29.640
Okay, can you see this?

2441
02:40:29.640 --> 02:40:33.640
I had to turn that off in order to plug my phone in.

2442
02:40:33.640 --> 02:40:39.240
So there's their words, the way that they use to describe things, then there's the truth

2443
02:40:39.240 --> 02:40:42.760
that you know, and how to articulate something.

2444
02:40:42.760 --> 02:40:46.200
And what you write is you write your posts in the transition.

2445
02:40:46.200 --> 02:40:53.420
So in by their words, I'm not talking about their pain, I'm talking about, you're trying

2446
02:40:53.420 --> 02:40:59.940
to express the truth in using the words that they understand.

2447
02:40:59.940 --> 02:41:04.760
But you still add a bit more of your words, the way that you know that the truth really

2448
02:41:04.760 --> 02:41:12.100
is expressed in order to give them a bit of a, in order to know that you have been somewhere

2449
02:41:12.100 --> 02:41:18.460
that they haven't been, that there's more beyond what even they know when they understand.

2450
02:41:18.460 --> 02:41:20.780
So this is their words about the truth.

2451
02:41:20.780 --> 02:41:24.060
This is how they would describe truth, the way that they think of where it is that they're

2452
02:41:24.060 --> 02:41:25.820
going and what it is they want.

2453
02:41:25.820 --> 02:41:29.500
There's what you know of how to describe what it is that they, the truth of what it is they

2454
02:41:29.500 --> 02:41:32.020
truly want and how the Lord would describe it.

2455
02:41:32.020 --> 02:41:34.620
You know, things like, hey, this is actually all about your identity.

2456
02:41:34.620 --> 02:41:36.740
This is actually all about, you know, believing God loves you.

2457
02:41:36.740 --> 02:41:40.820
This is actually all about, I don't know, rest, whatever.

2458
02:41:40.820 --> 02:41:46.420
And then, and then what you do is you write a post that, that writes everything in the

2459
02:41:46.420 --> 02:41:56.300
way that they believe that using the words that they understand, but, but, but from a

2460
02:41:56.300 --> 02:42:04.380
perspective of, and using some new phrases from here, and this is the mixture.

2461
02:42:04.380 --> 02:42:10.980
For instance, what I did is when I started talking about, okay, I use, for instance,

2462
02:42:10.980 --> 02:42:13.260
I use the word rest.

2463
02:42:13.260 --> 02:42:16.140
Rest is something that talks about in the Bible.

2464
02:42:16.140 --> 02:42:23.700
And so in other words, it's one of these words, but, and these people down here, we talk about

2465
02:42:23.700 --> 02:42:24.700
it as peace.

2466
02:42:24.700 --> 02:42:29.220
So periodically I'll sprinkle the word peace in there, but I often use this, this, this

2467
02:42:29.220 --> 02:42:37.740
rest, but the way that I talk about rest is a bit from a way that they would talk about,

2468
02:42:37.740 --> 02:42:41.540
that they would talk about peace, like how they feel that when they're, when they're

2469
02:42:41.540 --> 02:42:42.540
at peace.

2470
02:42:42.820 --> 02:42:53.500
So, so I use sometimes this term using, and phrase it in using, in use phrases that they

2471
02:42:53.500 --> 02:42:59.180
would use, but I use, that I, that I would say it using this term.

2472
02:42:59.180 --> 02:43:00.180
Or I'll do the opposite.

2473
02:43:00.180 --> 02:43:05.020
I'll use a word that they use, but I use these phrases.

2474
02:43:05.020 --> 02:43:11.900
So there's this mixture in here that, that they can relate to, but it lets me, but there's

2475
02:43:11.900 --> 02:43:14.860
also things in there they've never heard.

2476
02:43:14.860 --> 02:43:20.420
And it gives them the opportunity for their spirit, which knows the truth to, if they're

2477
02:43:20.420 --> 02:43:25.860
open, if they've opened their, themselves to being able to hear it, that lets them know

2478
02:43:25.860 --> 02:43:31.020
that, that, that pulls them towards something that resonates with them, but it's something

2479
02:43:31.020 --> 02:43:32.500
that still challenges them.

2480
02:43:32.500 --> 02:43:35.140
It's not something that they've ever thought of before.

2481
02:43:35.140 --> 02:43:37.060
And it, and it pulls them forward.

2482
02:43:37.060 --> 02:43:41.900
It's a, it's a, it's territory that they've never moved into as opposed to simply describing

2483
02:43:41.900 --> 02:43:42.900
it in their words.

2484
02:43:42.900 --> 02:43:43.900
Cause they're like, Oh yeah, I'm already there.

2485
02:43:43.900 --> 02:43:44.900
I understand.

2486
02:43:44.900 --> 02:43:45.900
Yeah.

2487
02:43:45.900 --> 02:43:46.900
I got it.

2488
02:43:46.900 --> 02:43:51.060
Give them a little bit that they don't know, a little bit that they didn't, that they hadn't

2489
02:43:51.060 --> 02:43:55.700
thought of before and just do a mixture so that they, when they read your post, they

2490
02:43:55.700 --> 02:44:00.100
can hear something that they understand, but you're also in the way that you write the

2491
02:44:00.100 --> 02:44:06.100
post or explaining it in a, in a way that they've never thought of phrasing it before.

2492
02:44:06.140 --> 02:44:07.940
And it, and it pulls them forward a bit.

2493
02:44:07.940 --> 02:44:14.380
It lets them know you've been somewhere that they've never been before.

2494
02:44:14.380 --> 02:44:15.620
They've only gotten this far.

2495
02:44:15.620 --> 02:44:16.620
They've never been this far.

2496
02:44:16.620 --> 02:44:21.260
And you're letting them know I've been this far, but I can relate to where you are.

2497
02:44:21.260 --> 02:44:23.460
And it's this transition phase.

2498
02:44:23.460 --> 02:44:28.340
So some of their words might be like, does God, does God really love me?

2499
02:44:28.340 --> 02:44:33.540
Does, you know, I guess they would probably be asking questions, but again, I think where

2500
02:44:33.700 --> 02:44:36.540
they're at, it would be that negative stuff.

2501
02:44:36.540 --> 02:44:42.300
It would be, I don't know where they would be at in order for me to call them forward

2502
02:44:42.300 --> 02:44:47.100
if they haven't gone through, or if they're not sort of stuck in the pain of it.

2503
02:44:47.100 --> 02:44:53.740
I want them to be motivated to get out of the pain, but they, but they're in pain.

2504
02:44:53.740 --> 02:44:59.060
So how do you speak to their pain without speaking to their pain?

2505
02:44:59.060 --> 02:45:00.060
Because all of this right here.

2506
02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:03.400
Here, all of it is truth, including their words.

2507
02:45:03.400 --> 02:45:06.160
This is their words of how they would word truth,

2508
02:45:06.160 --> 02:45:08.080
your words of how you would word truth,

2509
02:45:08.080 --> 02:45:09.320
and then the transition.

2510
02:45:09.320 --> 02:45:12.600
None of this is talking about pain, not even their words.

2511
02:45:12.600 --> 02:45:16.640
So I'm talking about forgetting the pain altogether,

2512
02:45:16.640 --> 02:45:17.920
not even talking about the pain,

2513
02:45:17.920 --> 02:45:19.080
and only talking about the truth.

2514
02:45:19.080 --> 02:45:22.800
That's what this diagram is, is how would they,

2515
02:45:22.800 --> 02:45:25.500
what are the words that, what are the ways in which,

2516
02:45:26.620 --> 02:45:29.920
what are their words for how they would describe the truth?

2517
02:45:30.560 --> 02:45:31.400
How do they hear truth?

2518
02:45:31.400 --> 02:45:34.200
What is it that they know in their world,

2519
02:45:34.200 --> 02:45:37.320
based off of things like, oh, well, God loves me,

2520
02:45:37.320 --> 02:45:42.080
and God this, and things that they know from the Bible,

2521
02:45:42.080 --> 02:45:44.960
or things that they know, that you know that they know

2522
02:45:44.960 --> 02:45:47.320
already in their soul and their spirit,

2523
02:45:47.320 --> 02:45:50.520
even if they don't acknowledge it and whatever.

2524
02:45:50.520 --> 02:45:52.240
Not everyone is going to be at the place

2525
02:45:52.240 --> 02:45:53.080
that they acknowledge it.

2526
02:45:53.080 --> 02:45:54.680
Not everyone is gonna be at the place

2527
02:45:54.680 --> 02:45:57.880
where they've chosen it.

2528
02:45:57.880 --> 02:45:59.240
They're not your people.

2529
02:46:00.320 --> 02:46:01.160
So if I-

2530
02:46:01.160 --> 02:46:03.560
So this isn't meeting everyone where they are.

2531
02:46:03.560 --> 02:46:07.680
So if you say something like, you know, God loves you,

2532
02:46:07.680 --> 02:46:11.240
and there's something missing for you

2533
02:46:11.240 --> 02:46:13.440
because you haven't been able to feel it,

2534
02:46:13.440 --> 02:46:16.560
or something like that, like, is that transitioning?

2535
02:46:16.560 --> 02:46:19.600
Like, I feel like I, it's funny that I'm stuck on this,

2536
02:46:19.600 --> 02:46:21.880
because I really am struggling to figure out

2537
02:46:21.880 --> 02:46:24.080
how to articulate it properly.

2538
02:46:24.080 --> 02:46:25.160
Nope.

2539
02:46:25.160 --> 02:46:26.960
I'm getting to help somebody with the same thing

2540
02:46:26.960 --> 02:46:29.640
that I struggled with for months.

2541
02:46:30.320 --> 02:46:31.160
So, no.

2542
02:46:31.160 --> 02:46:34.080
It's just listening to you, I'm like, oh, wow.

2543
02:46:34.080 --> 02:46:36.680
Wow, I did go through that transition, didn't I?

2544
02:46:36.680 --> 02:46:38.960
Like, no, it's listening to you.

2545
02:46:38.960 --> 02:46:41.000
I'm like, yep, yep, yep, yep, I got it.

2546
02:46:41.000 --> 02:46:42.440
I understand, I had the same problem.

2547
02:46:42.440 --> 02:46:44.560
My business coach was like, Ashley, it's just so obvious.

2548
02:46:44.560 --> 02:46:46.640
I'm like, no, it's not.

2549
02:46:46.640 --> 02:46:47.480
Okay.

2550
02:46:47.480 --> 02:46:52.480
So, what, okay, so you were talking about, you know,

2551
02:46:52.960 --> 02:46:54.600
God's love.

2552
02:46:54.600 --> 02:46:56.520
Like, okay, well, you know, you said, you know,

2553
02:46:56.520 --> 02:46:59.720
we know God's love, but maybe you don't feel it.

2554
02:46:59.720 --> 02:47:02.040
That is acknowledging their pain.

2555
02:47:03.600 --> 02:47:06.160
You know God's love, but what you're,

2556
02:47:06.160 --> 02:47:09.080
but what we're saying is that you don't feel it.

2557
02:47:09.080 --> 02:47:10.520
And instead of talking about the fact

2558
02:47:10.520 --> 02:47:11.920
that they don't feel it,

2559
02:47:11.920 --> 02:47:14.920
you talk about the fact you want to feel it,

2560
02:47:14.920 --> 02:47:19.200
or this is how you feel it, or you can feel it.

2561
02:47:19.200 --> 02:47:22.200
It's all, it's all from the positive,

2562
02:47:22.200 --> 02:47:24.400
as opposed to, yeah, but you don't feel it, do you?

2563
02:47:24.400 --> 02:47:26.000
I know, I understand.

2564
02:47:26.840 --> 02:47:28.560
You know, you, you know, it's, it's,

2565
02:47:28.560 --> 02:47:31.080
it's presenting everything it is that they want.

2566
02:47:32.520 --> 02:47:34.240
And like the fact that they want to feel

2567
02:47:34.240 --> 02:47:35.920
and experience God's love and whatever,

2568
02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:39.720
and talking about the fact that, of how to feel it,

2569
02:47:39.720 --> 02:47:40.760
how to experience it.

2570
02:47:40.760 --> 02:47:42.440
Not about the fact that they're not in feeling

2571
02:47:42.440 --> 02:47:43.600
and experiencing it.

2572
02:47:46.080 --> 02:47:46.920
Okay.

2573
02:47:48.480 --> 02:47:50.160
Yeah, so.

2574
02:47:50.160 --> 02:47:51.160
It's just a tweak.

2575
02:47:51.160 --> 02:47:52.400
It's everything you're doing,

2576
02:47:52.400 --> 02:47:54.120
but tweaking how you phrase it.

2577
02:47:55.120 --> 02:47:57.920
Yeah, so always going into the positive of what they want.

2578
02:47:57.920 --> 02:47:58.800
Okay.

2579
02:47:58.800 --> 02:48:00.200
Yeah, presenting this,

2580
02:48:00.200 --> 02:48:02.640
presenting what they want from the positive perspective,

2581
02:48:02.640 --> 02:48:04.520
not in what it is that they're trying to escape

2582
02:48:04.520 --> 02:48:06.680
or acknowledging where it is that they are.

2583
02:48:07.680 --> 02:48:09.440
So if I say something like,

2584
02:48:09.440 --> 02:48:14.160
you know healing is possible and you want it,

2585
02:48:14.160 --> 02:48:19.160
or you know healing is possible and you want to be there.

2586
02:48:19.160 --> 02:48:22.160
Like, I don't know, something like that.

2587
02:48:22.160 --> 02:48:23.800
Is that still going negative?

2588
02:48:24.800 --> 02:48:26.280
No, no, no, it's,

2589
02:48:27.840 --> 02:48:30.200
okay, so maybe slightly.

2590
02:48:30.200 --> 02:48:32.840
So here's another way that I can,

2591
02:48:32.840 --> 02:48:34.360
you're heading the right direction, so this is great.

2592
02:48:34.360 --> 02:48:36.760
I'm just giving you like this extra, extra.

2593
02:48:38.400 --> 02:48:43.200
You write the thing and let them find themselves in it,

2594
02:48:43.200 --> 02:48:46.840
as opposed to declaring things over them in the post.

2595
02:48:46.840 --> 02:48:49.840
You are this, you're feeling this, you want this.

2596
02:48:49.840 --> 02:48:51.440
It's gonna attract those people.

2597
02:48:52.360 --> 02:48:54.440
Let them, you write a post

2598
02:48:54.440 --> 02:48:56.800
and let them find themselves in it.

2599
02:48:57.920 --> 02:48:59.840
You're not finding them for them.

2600
02:48:59.840 --> 02:49:01.680
You're not convincing them about something.

2601
02:49:01.680 --> 02:49:03.160
You're not even letting them know, hey, look,

2602
02:49:03.160 --> 02:49:05.760
you and I, you know, we can relate.

2603
02:49:05.760 --> 02:49:08.640
You be writing about truth

2604
02:49:08.640 --> 02:49:12.480
and let them find themselves in the post.

2605
02:49:12.480 --> 02:49:14.840
So what if I said something like,

2606
02:49:14.840 --> 02:49:18.200
like I declared all these things that they are over them

2607
02:49:18.200 --> 02:49:21.320
and then the end I said, do you want to believe it?

2608
02:49:22.200 --> 02:49:24.880
Do you want to join the five-day self-love challenge?

2609
02:49:27.360 --> 02:49:29.360
I don't know, I don't know how to like entice them

2610
02:49:29.360 --> 02:49:30.200
to want to do it.

2611
02:49:30.200 --> 02:49:31.040
No, no, that's good.

2612
02:49:31.040 --> 02:49:32.520
No, I was just, I was just thinking,

2613
02:49:32.520 --> 02:49:35.320
cause I obviously I take your question very seriously.

2614
02:49:37.200 --> 02:49:38.120
Because I used to do that.

2615
02:49:38.120 --> 02:49:40.120
I used to write like that too.

2616
02:49:40.120 --> 02:49:43.440
And, sorry, let me go to,

2617
02:49:44.520 --> 02:49:45.680
we'll find it really quick.

2618
02:49:45.680 --> 02:49:46.520
Where is it?

2619
02:49:52.320 --> 02:49:54.160
Because I can say, you know,

2620
02:49:54.160 --> 02:49:56.280
while you're looking for that, I can say, you know,

2621
02:49:56.280 --> 02:49:58.480
God loves you for exactly who you are.

2622
02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:03.560
you have worth and value as a daughter of God, you know?

2623
02:50:03.560 --> 02:50:05.280
And I could speak all these things over them

2624
02:50:05.280 --> 02:50:07.800
and then say, like, do you believe it?

2625
02:50:07.800 --> 02:50:09.040
Or do you want to believe it?

2626
02:50:09.040 --> 02:50:10.520
So that's what I was kind of thinking

2627
02:50:10.520 --> 02:50:12.480
when you were talking, but what were you thinking?

2628
02:50:12.480 --> 02:50:13.600
Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt.

2629
02:50:13.600 --> 02:50:16.240
I know you're probably trying to do things at once.

2630
02:50:16.240 --> 02:50:18.040
No, no, no, that's good.

2631
02:50:22.960 --> 02:50:25.360
Okay, so what I started doing is

2632
02:50:26.400 --> 02:50:28.520
I used to ask this thing questions

2633
02:50:28.520 --> 02:50:31.360
and I've noticed that,

2634
02:50:33.440 --> 02:50:37.400
that they, again, they're effective,

2635
02:50:37.400 --> 02:50:41.040
but they're effective in attracting a certain type of person.

2636
02:50:41.040 --> 02:50:44.240
So I have not, the past several posts,

2637
02:50:45.960 --> 02:50:47.240
and I didn't even realize this

2638
02:50:47.240 --> 02:50:48.560
until we started talking about this,

2639
02:50:48.560 --> 02:50:50.360
I just naturally started doing it

2640
02:50:50.360 --> 02:50:52.520
and I'm looking at it going, oh, wow,

2641
02:50:52.520 --> 02:50:55.720
because what I did is I internally shifted my perspective

2642
02:50:55.720 --> 02:50:56.680
on how I view things,

2643
02:50:56.680 --> 02:50:58.880
and so I no longer write like that anymore,

2644
02:51:00.200 --> 02:51:01.600
or at least I haven't passed it or post.

2645
02:51:01.600 --> 02:51:06.160
And again, it's kind of like,

2646
02:51:08.000 --> 02:51:12.200
oh, I don't even know how to describe why I avoid,

2647
02:51:12.200 --> 02:51:14.400
why I avoid saying it like that anymore.

2648
02:51:14.400 --> 02:51:15.920
I'm like, well, do you want to believe it?

2649
02:51:15.920 --> 02:51:18.360
Because it's giving, again, oh, that's why.

2650
02:51:18.360 --> 02:51:21.360
Because again, it's acknowledging the fact that they don't,

2651
02:51:22.200 --> 02:51:24.680
and I don't want to acknowledge that they don't,

2652
02:51:24.680 --> 02:51:26.480
at least as much as possible.

2653
02:51:27.280 --> 02:51:28.280
Now, I'm not trying to deny reality

2654
02:51:28.280 --> 02:51:31.000
when I'm talking to them at all,

2655
02:51:31.000 --> 02:51:35.480
but if I'm choosing about what it is that I want to talk

2656
02:51:35.480 --> 02:51:36.840
about and what it is I want to focus on,

2657
02:51:36.840 --> 02:51:38.840
I don't want to talk about that.

2658
02:51:38.840 --> 02:51:42.960
If the conversation is within my control,

2659
02:51:43.880 --> 02:51:45.600
which the part of what it is,

2660
02:51:45.600 --> 02:51:47.680
because it comes out of my mouth, that is in my control,

2661
02:51:47.680 --> 02:51:49.760
that is the part of the conversation that's in my control,

2662
02:51:49.760 --> 02:51:51.160
I want to talk about the truth,

2663
02:51:51.160 --> 02:51:53.360
and that's how I want to direct mindset and the thoughts.

2664
02:51:53.360 --> 02:51:55.920
So what it is, for instance,

2665
02:51:56.400 --> 02:51:59.720
if you look at the post that I made on December the 7th,

2666
02:51:59.720 --> 02:52:01.280
the powerful secrets of rest,

2667
02:52:01.280 --> 02:52:05.520
and then it's that picture of Jesus lying back,

2668
02:52:05.520 --> 02:52:07.720
kind of like this, looking up at the stars,

2669
02:52:08.920 --> 02:52:10.280
you notice that at the end,

2670
02:52:10.280 --> 02:52:12.920
the way that I did the invitation is,

2671
02:52:12.920 --> 02:52:16.120
instead of letting everyone know that,

2672
02:52:21.760 --> 02:52:24.200
instead of saying, oh, well, wouldn't you like this,

2673
02:52:24.200 --> 02:52:29.200
or whatnot, I even didn't say,

2674
02:52:31.240 --> 02:52:32.920
if you would like to learn more,

2675
02:52:34.200 --> 02:52:36.920
I just, I made an invitation

2676
02:52:38.480 --> 02:52:43.000
that put the ownership and responsibility on them.

2677
02:52:43.000 --> 02:52:45.080
So if you look at the end of the post,

2678
02:52:45.080 --> 02:52:46.440
I mentioned, you know,

2679
02:52:49.080 --> 02:52:50.920
if you're not familiar with the content

2680
02:52:50.920 --> 02:52:52.280
or the details of how to join,

2681
02:52:52.280 --> 02:52:54.000
you can find the details on Sunday morning.

2682
02:52:54.960 --> 02:52:56.920
So I'm going to talk a little bit more about that.

2683
02:52:56.920 --> 02:52:59.000
I'm going to talk a little bit more about how to do that.

2684
02:52:59.000 --> 02:53:01.240
I'm going to talk a little bit more about how to do that.

2685
02:53:01.240 --> 02:53:03.040
And then I'm going to talk a little bit more about

2686
02:53:03.040 --> 02:53:04.360
how to make them hunt for it.

2687
02:53:04.360 --> 02:53:07.040
I didn't give them them, I made them hunt for them.

2688
02:53:07.040 --> 02:53:09.000
I remember specifically putting that sentence in,

2689
02:53:09.000 --> 02:53:10.960
in order to make them hunt for it.

2690
02:53:10.960 --> 02:53:12.200
They got to want it.

2691
02:53:12.200 --> 02:53:13.520
How badly do they want it?

2692
02:53:14.800 --> 02:53:16.880
Because what I'm doing is I'm empowering them.

2693
02:53:16.880 --> 02:53:18.800
I'm not like, oh, well, you've got to work for me.

2694
02:53:18.800 --> 02:53:19.840
No, absolutely not.

2695
02:53:19.840 --> 02:53:21.960
They don't have to work to join the rest intensive.

2696
02:53:21.960 --> 02:53:23.600
They have to work for themselves.

2697
02:53:24.200 --> 02:53:26.480
And the rest requires that they give up all of those things

2698
02:53:26.480 --> 02:53:29.200
that they were using to protect themselves.

2699
02:53:29.200 --> 02:53:30.520
They can't even research.

2700
02:53:31.440 --> 02:53:34.120
So I'm empowering them to start,

2701
02:53:34.120 --> 02:53:36.960
to start having some success in their lives.

2702
02:53:36.960 --> 02:53:39.200
You want something, go for it.

2703
02:53:39.200 --> 02:53:40.040
So here it is.

2704
02:53:40.040 --> 02:53:40.960
Do you want to go for it?

2705
02:53:40.960 --> 02:53:41.800
Yes, I do.

2706
02:53:41.800 --> 02:53:42.720
They step out.

2707
02:53:42.720 --> 02:53:45.280
There's that, that's a bit of success right there.

2708
02:53:45.280 --> 02:53:46.720
Bit of success, a bit moving forward.

2709
02:53:46.720 --> 02:53:48.320
So then the next sentence I said was,

2710
02:53:48.320 --> 02:53:50.960
feel free to read those and then reach out

2711
02:53:50.960 --> 02:53:52.640
if you think the rest intensive would be a good fit

2712
02:53:52.640 --> 02:53:54.280
for what you're looking for

2713
02:53:54.280 --> 02:53:56.640
in your current journey with the Lord.

2714
02:53:58.160 --> 02:54:00.000
Everything is all about them owning it.

2715
02:54:00.000 --> 02:54:02.640
This is you, what do you want?

2716
02:54:02.640 --> 02:54:05.600
If you, you know, feel free to read them,

2717
02:54:05.600 --> 02:54:08.000
reach out if you think it would be good fit

2718
02:54:08.000 --> 02:54:09.160
for what you're looking for.

2719
02:54:09.160 --> 02:54:12.520
Not, hey, call me and we will see

2720
02:54:12.520 --> 02:54:14.440
if this is a good fit for both of us.

2721
02:54:15.760 --> 02:54:19.080
They need to know that no, you are owning this

2722
02:54:19.080 --> 02:54:20.760
and you have to work for it.

2723
02:54:20.760 --> 02:54:22.800
Meaning like you have to like not work for it.

2724
02:54:22.800 --> 02:54:24.360
You have to be the one to take the steps

2725
02:54:24.360 --> 02:54:27.600
because I'm not gonna take the steps to come towards you.

2726
02:54:27.600 --> 02:54:30.680
But I'm here and I'm inviting you to come if you'd like,

2727
02:54:30.680 --> 02:54:32.480
but you're the one who has to step out on the water.

2728
02:54:32.480 --> 02:54:35.040
I'm saying come, you know,

2729
02:54:35.040 --> 02:54:36.960
but you have to put your foot out of the boat

2730
02:54:36.960 --> 02:54:39.240
and come on the water, but I am here.

2731
02:54:39.240 --> 02:54:42.720
And I'm saying, I am inviting you to come.

2732
02:54:42.720 --> 02:54:45.360
I'm not rejecting you and I'm not telling you no.

2733
02:54:45.360 --> 02:54:48.640
So I, in the end, I ended on something very positive

2734
02:54:48.680 --> 02:54:52.640
as if I almost like expected them to make the choice

2735
02:54:52.640 --> 02:54:53.920
because I believe in them.

2736
02:54:53.920 --> 02:54:55.360
I'm looking forward to seeing y'all in there.

2737
02:54:55.360 --> 02:54:58.480
It's going to be really good tonight or, you know, whatever.

2738
02:54:58.480 --> 02:55:00.280
I didn't want to say to, you don't.

2739
02:55:00.000 --> 02:55:07.180
I've noticed that I don't like coming across too strong in that way, because it feels very

2740
02:55:07.180 --> 02:55:08.180
weird to me.

2741
02:55:08.180 --> 02:55:15.400
It feels almost like it feels slightly, there's a thin line between believing in somebody

2742
02:55:15.400 --> 02:55:18.980
and subconsciously controlling them.

2743
02:55:18.980 --> 02:55:20.560
Like I believe you should want this.

2744
02:55:20.560 --> 02:55:24.360
I don't want to come across like that.

2745
02:55:24.360 --> 02:55:28.000
I don't want to ever condemn them for not making that choice for them.

2746
02:55:28.000 --> 02:55:29.000
Yeah.

2747
02:55:29.000 --> 02:55:30.000
Yeah.

2748
02:55:30.000 --> 02:55:31.000
Yeah.

2749
02:55:31.000 --> 02:55:38.440
Um, anyway, and then there's one on December 6th, 6th, you can look into that as well at

2750
02:55:38.440 --> 02:55:39.440
the bottom of that.

2751
02:55:39.440 --> 02:55:44.600
I mentioned, if you decide you want to join, feel free to message me and ask for the link.

2752
02:55:44.600 --> 02:55:50.340
Um, you know, after you've made the commitment, you let me know, and then I'll do this.

2753
02:55:50.340 --> 02:55:55.940
So everything is then as, and then I, I happen to mention it out as, um, Oh, here's a question

2754
02:55:55.940 --> 02:55:56.940
I asked.

2755
02:55:57.100 --> 02:56:02.180
Have you figured out yet that shifting into rest is shifting out of bondage and into freedom?

2756
02:56:02.180 --> 02:56:05.780
So all I said was, I mentioned it a positive thing.

2757
02:56:05.780 --> 02:56:09.540
Everyone reads that and they, they, they know I'm not questioning their intelligence.

2758
02:56:09.540 --> 02:56:11.700
They know I'm saying, have you figured this out yet?

2759
02:56:11.700 --> 02:56:15.460
In other words, I'm assuming that they have, that's the way that that comes across is,

2760
02:56:15.460 --> 02:56:17.380
I mean, have you figured this out?

2761
02:56:17.380 --> 02:56:18.380
It's just so obvious.

2762
02:56:18.380 --> 02:56:19.380
Isn't that cool.

2763
02:56:19.380 --> 02:56:23.120
And now we're just all acknowledging the fact that now we all realize that it's so freeing

2764
02:56:23.120 --> 02:56:24.120
and it's for all of us.

2765
02:56:24.120 --> 02:56:25.120
Isn't this great.

2766
02:56:25.800 --> 02:56:28.800
And, and I also always combine myself in here.

2767
02:56:28.800 --> 02:56:32.560
Um, I always, I always talk about us.

2768
02:56:32.560 --> 02:56:40.200
God provides it to us, um, every now and then I say you, but when I do, I word it in such

2769
02:56:40.200 --> 02:56:48.200
a way that, that it's, I, I, um, I word it, um, that's how I know whether or not I want

2770
02:56:48.200 --> 02:56:53.520
to use you or us is, um, I always love hearing the others or something.

2771
02:56:53.520 --> 02:56:58.760
I, I, what did I say this, his character looks like her father.

2772
02:56:58.760 --> 02:57:02.520
I don't remember where it was.

2773
02:57:02.520 --> 02:57:06.080
There was some place that I was going back and forth on, should I say you, or should

2774
02:57:06.080 --> 02:57:07.080
I say us?

2775
02:57:07.080 --> 02:57:13.960
Um, but, uh, at the beginning of December 6th, I said something like rest is our inheritance

2776
02:57:13.960 --> 02:57:17.640
because I'm not trying to convince somebody as something like rest is your inheritance

2777
02:57:18.080 --> 02:57:22.800
and you need to do this and whatever, whenever I talk about you, I use it very sparingly

2778
02:57:22.800 --> 02:57:23.800
in the majority of it.

2779
02:57:23.800 --> 02:57:29.600
I want them to feel the inclusiveness that I'm within them instead of, I know more than

2780
02:57:29.600 --> 02:57:36.200
you and, um, and you, and I'm trying to convince you that you should want something that you

2781
02:57:36.200 --> 02:57:39.920
don't currently want and you should realize that you should want this.

2782
02:57:39.920 --> 02:57:44.880
So consciously there's this judgment that people can feel if, if we're not careful.

2783
02:57:44.880 --> 02:57:47.120
So I've always, that's the way that I bring relation.

2784
02:57:47.120 --> 02:57:51.160
Uh, you know, you're talking about like people wanting to know that they can relate to us.

2785
02:57:51.160 --> 02:57:52.840
I include myself with them.

2786
02:57:52.840 --> 02:57:53.840
They don't even know me.

2787
02:57:53.840 --> 02:57:57.400
Some of these people, a lot of them know me, but they don't, a lot of these people don't

2788
02:57:57.400 --> 02:58:01.480
even know me, but they can see that me not even knowing them, they don't have to prove

2789
02:58:01.480 --> 02:58:04.680
anything about themselves to me without me.

2790
02:58:04.680 --> 02:58:10.240
What, uh, they don't have to prove anything about themselves to me before I will reach

2791
02:58:10.240 --> 02:58:14.800
out to them and naturally include myself with them because I'm not afraid or threatened

2792
02:58:14.800 --> 02:58:17.440
by the fact that I may not agree with them.

2793
02:58:17.440 --> 02:58:21.440
I am being that vulnerable that I am including all of us together.

2794
02:58:21.440 --> 02:58:26.560
Anyway, those are, those are just ways that those are just some of my, my thought processes

2795
02:58:26.560 --> 02:58:31.560
of why words, certain things, the way that I do in order to, and I've had to learn this

2796
02:58:31.560 --> 02:58:37.060
in order to bring, um, in order to bring ideas in their mind that, Oh, Ashley feels like

2797
02:58:37.060 --> 02:58:38.160
she relates to me.

2798
02:58:38.160 --> 02:58:40.040
She feels that we're all together.

2799
02:58:40.840 --> 02:58:42.520
She feels like, you know, I'm not separated.

2800
02:58:42.520 --> 02:58:45.000
You know, she's not separating herself from me.

2801
02:58:45.000 --> 02:58:48.840
And she's also not trying to convince me of something it's, it's, it's, you know, I can,

2802
02:58:48.840 --> 02:58:49.840
I can own it.

2803
02:58:49.840 --> 02:58:53.360
And she's there for me if I want, but you know, she doesn't, it's not free love that

2804
02:58:53.360 --> 02:58:57.160
I can just come and take, you know, it's, there's like a seriousness to it.

2805
02:58:57.160 --> 02:59:01.640
And anyway, that's, those are some of the ideas that I've, um, so that I've learned

2806
02:59:01.640 --> 02:59:05.720
to incorporate, but I've had to learn it because I've had to take this entire process that

2807
02:59:05.720 --> 02:59:06.720
you're taking right now.

2808
02:59:06.720 --> 02:59:11.720
Um, it was very frustrating when, um, I couldn't, I couldn't get it.

2809
02:59:11.720 --> 02:59:14.720
I'm like, I don't understand how to do it.

2810
02:59:14.720 --> 02:59:17.720
So it was a journey I had to take.

2811
02:59:17.720 --> 02:59:18.720
No, it's good.

2812
02:59:18.720 --> 02:59:22.560
And I think, I think if I go through some of your posts, I'll probably get even more

2813
02:59:22.560 --> 02:59:30.080
insight because it looks like, yeah, you've really structured them well there, especially

2814
02:59:30.080 --> 02:59:31.280
the more recent ones.

2815
02:59:31.280 --> 02:59:41.520
You will see a difference, um, if you go back to say, um, I don't know how far back

2816
02:59:41.520 --> 02:59:43.520
you'd, you'd have to go.

2817
02:59:43.520 --> 02:59:51.960
Um, I think prior to April or March, there was a big post that I made in which I'm wearing

2818
02:59:51.960 --> 02:59:57.800
my hair up and I'm wearing like, uh, like a gray heathered shirt and I have a scarf

2819
02:59:57.800 --> 02:59:59.800
tied in my bun and then hanging down.

2820
03:00:00.000 --> 03:00:02.960
That one, that's the one that I, at the end of March,

2821
03:00:02.960 --> 03:00:05.720
that I invited people to join the rest intensive in April.

2822
03:00:05.720 --> 03:00:08.000
That was my new group program starting in April.

2823
03:00:08.000 --> 03:00:12.440
Prior to that, that you might notice my posts

2824
03:00:12.440 --> 03:00:14.080
and how they sounded different.

2825
03:00:15.160 --> 03:00:18.720
They weren't horrible, but they were definitely,

2826
03:00:18.720 --> 03:00:21.260
meaning like they definitely showed improvement,

2827
03:00:21.260 --> 03:00:25.100
but I was still trying to make the transition

2828
03:00:25.100 --> 03:00:27.620
into how do I word things from a positive way

2829
03:00:27.620 --> 03:00:29.240
without highlighting pain?

2830
03:00:30.580 --> 03:00:33.380
And anyway, so I don't know.

2831
03:00:33.380 --> 03:00:35.820
So if you're looking to try to find something

2832
03:00:35.820 --> 03:00:36.980
to compare it to,

2833
03:00:38.220 --> 03:00:39.720
because I didn't always write the way

2834
03:00:39.720 --> 03:00:41.940
that I've been writing the past few weeks

2835
03:00:41.940 --> 03:00:44.060
and maybe even since April.

2836
03:00:44.060 --> 03:00:47.000
So you'll notice this huge gap between like June

2837
03:00:47.000 --> 03:00:50.260
and December or November, whenever that was.

2838
03:00:52.100 --> 03:00:53.860
No, that's awesome.

2839
03:00:53.860 --> 03:00:55.700
That's a helpful perspective

2840
03:00:55.700 --> 03:01:00.040
because I think that's a good shift for me to have

2841
03:01:00.040 --> 03:01:04.740
and just try creating an ad from that place.

2842
03:01:04.740 --> 03:01:07.740
And because I'm going to do the challenge again

2843
03:01:07.740 --> 03:01:10.560
and self-love, like,

2844
03:01:10.560 --> 03:01:12.740
do you think that's an appropriate title?

2845
03:01:12.740 --> 03:01:16.840
Because I mean, really we're looking at loving ourselves,

2846
03:01:16.840 --> 03:01:18.660
you know, seeing ourselves through God's eyes,

2847
03:01:18.660 --> 03:01:21.260
which is about self-love, but it's more than that.

2848
03:01:21.260 --> 03:01:23.620
So I don't know if that's even the best title for it.

2849
03:01:23.620 --> 03:01:27.420
I feel like women can relate to it

2850
03:01:27.420 --> 03:01:29.140
because a lot of them struggle with self-love,

2851
03:01:29.140 --> 03:01:32.140
but I don't know.

2852
03:01:32.140 --> 03:01:34.620
Okay, so I'll mention this

2853
03:01:34.620 --> 03:01:39.620
and this can be a challenging stretch

2854
03:01:47.020 --> 03:01:50.340
to make and to understand,

2855
03:01:51.180 --> 03:01:53.220
because it was for me.

2856
03:01:53.220 --> 03:01:54.180
Because I, for a while,

2857
03:01:54.180 --> 03:01:55.700
would talk about things like self-confidence

2858
03:01:55.700 --> 03:01:58.300
when my message was like this over a year ago.

2859
03:01:58.300 --> 03:02:02.780
I don't know, like April, 2019, June, 2019,

2860
03:02:02.780 --> 03:02:03.620
stuff like that.

2861
03:02:03.620 --> 03:02:07.900
I was talking a lot about self-confidence, self-love.

2862
03:02:07.900 --> 03:02:10.220
You might even be able to find it in some of my posts

2863
03:02:10.220 --> 03:02:11.300
if you go that far back.

2864
03:02:11.300 --> 03:02:14.580
Again, early part of 2000 and early to mid 2019,

2865
03:02:14.580 --> 03:02:17.340
you might be able to hear a lot of this.

2866
03:02:17.340 --> 03:02:20.140
And I really struggled with understanding

2867
03:02:21.100 --> 03:02:21.940
how do I talk to people?

2868
03:02:21.940 --> 03:02:24.020
How do I talk to what it is that they want

2869
03:02:24.020 --> 03:02:28.940
and without, you know, properly?

2870
03:02:28.940 --> 03:02:31.180
Is talking about self-love and self-confidence,

2871
03:02:31.180 --> 03:02:33.220
is that a good way to do that?

2872
03:02:33.220 --> 03:02:35.380
And I've realized over time,

2873
03:02:35.380 --> 03:02:39.660
it's actually still not quite there yet.

2874
03:02:40.860 --> 03:02:44.100
It can still draw people with a poverty mentality.

2875
03:02:44.100 --> 03:02:47.460
Maybe not as much as a poverty mentality sometimes,

2876
03:02:47.460 --> 03:02:48.980
but still a poverty mentality.

2877
03:02:49.980 --> 03:02:51.900
Poverty mentality emotionally or whatever.

2878
03:02:51.900 --> 03:02:55.140
And so what I recommend is just talking more about

2879
03:02:55.140 --> 03:02:59.340
instead of, oh, you know, self-love, self-confidence,

2880
03:02:59.340 --> 03:03:04.340
instead just talking about things like as if they are,

2881
03:03:06.220 --> 03:03:11.220
they are, they are, I know what I'm trying to say.

2882
03:03:13.540 --> 03:03:15.740
You can see this is a challenge to figure out

2883
03:03:15.740 --> 03:03:17.740
how do you say what we're trying to say

2884
03:03:17.740 --> 03:03:19.580
without saying self-love.

2885
03:03:19.580 --> 03:03:20.420
Yeah.

2886
03:03:20.420 --> 03:03:23.180
Again, you're talking to the person,

2887
03:03:23.180 --> 03:03:25.180
to who that person is.

2888
03:03:25.180 --> 03:03:26.700
You're not telling them.

2889
03:03:26.700 --> 03:03:30.420
And whenever you're talking to someone

2890
03:03:30.420 --> 03:03:32.660
who is in a healthy state,

2891
03:03:32.660 --> 03:03:35.940
who has a very healthy perspective about themselves,

2892
03:03:35.940 --> 03:03:38.420
we don't talk about self-love.

2893
03:03:38.420 --> 03:03:40.140
We don't talk about self-confidence.

2894
03:03:40.140 --> 03:03:43.060
We just talk about, because it's so automatic.

2895
03:03:43.060 --> 03:03:48.060
It's so, we just take it for granted that we just,

2896
03:03:49.860 --> 03:03:51.580
we feel loved.

2897
03:03:51.580 --> 03:03:53.020
We know we are loved.

2898
03:03:53.020 --> 03:03:55.180
We know that we are deserving of love.

2899
03:03:55.180 --> 03:03:57.540
We know that we are confident.

2900
03:03:57.540 --> 03:03:59.900
I don't have to worry about the fact that I'm not,

2901
03:03:59.900 --> 03:04:04.140
that I have to provide myself with love

2902
03:04:04.140 --> 03:04:06.020
because I don't feel loved.

2903
03:04:06.020 --> 03:04:09.380
Like, cause that's sometimes a subconscious impression

2904
03:04:09.380 --> 03:04:13.100
that we can get with like self-confidence and self-love

2905
03:04:13.100 --> 03:04:14.820
as opposed to just confidence.

2906
03:04:16.500 --> 03:04:20.700
There's an idea of action that's required

2907
03:04:20.700 --> 03:04:23.580
with the idea, with the subconscious thought

2908
03:04:23.580 --> 03:04:26.860
of self-confidence is if we're lacking

2909
03:04:26.860 --> 03:04:28.500
and we have to give it to ourselves

2910
03:04:28.500 --> 03:04:30.780
as opposed to just taking for granted,

2911
03:04:30.780 --> 03:04:33.500
of course there's confidence in my life.

2912
03:04:33.500 --> 03:04:36.980
Self-confidence gives us this subconscious impression

2913
03:04:37.460 --> 03:04:42.380
of action and flow that we have to be part of,

2914
03:04:42.380 --> 03:04:45.420
which implies that we don't have it

2915
03:04:45.420 --> 03:04:48.580
and that we're having to create a movement

2916
03:04:48.580 --> 03:04:50.140
that isn't already there

2917
03:04:50.140 --> 03:04:52.740
as opposed to taking for granted the fact

2918
03:04:52.740 --> 03:04:56.540
that we live in an existence of confidence.

2919
03:04:56.540 --> 03:05:00.180
We live in an existence of being loved.

2920
03:05:00.000 --> 03:05:06.000
Because, and, and the fact that we are deserving of love.

2921
03:05:06.000 --> 03:05:17.000
And I don't know, I hope this is making sense because I'm, it is, it's hard to make that transition into into what it is that I'm talking about.

2922
03:05:18.000 --> 03:05:23.000
To the point where I, I don't even talk about self-love and self-confidence anymore.

2923
03:05:23.000 --> 03:05:28.000
I don't even, I don't even like it. It doesn't even, it doesn't even feel good to me.

2924
03:05:28.000 --> 03:05:40.000
And I've never, I haven't had to articulate it before, but it's because I transitioned past that into, into just talking to people, loving them, having confidence in them.

2925
03:05:40.000 --> 03:05:43.000
Okay, that's a, that's a big key right there.

2926
03:05:43.000 --> 03:05:54.000
When we, when we're talking to the spiritual person, we talk to, we don't tell them that they need to have something that they don't have, or trying to convince them that they should have something that they don't have.

2927
03:05:54.000 --> 03:05:56.000
We love them.

2928
03:05:56.000 --> 03:05:59.000
We're confident in them.

2929
03:05:59.000 --> 03:06:06.000
As opposed to telling them, they should feel different than the way they do. If they don't feel loved, we love them.

2930
03:06:06.000 --> 03:06:10.000
We don't tell them they should find it or that they should realize they already have it.

2931
03:06:10.000 --> 03:06:15.000
If they feel that they don't, then we give it to them. We know they already have it.

2932
03:06:15.000 --> 03:06:31.000
But, so remember that, that verse where, or that, that, where Jesus was saying, he said, you know, if someone is hungry or someone is, it doesn't have enough clothes, you know, to keep them warm, he said, don't send them on their way.

2933
03:06:32.000 --> 03:06:41.000
Don't send them off saying, well, you know, I encourage you in this, or even though you're not talking, we're not talking about sending them off, we're talking about, oh, come into the program, you know, and give it to them.

2934
03:06:41.000 --> 03:06:54.000
That is us not interjecting into the situation and giving them something they feel that they lack. And what God's saying to do is he said, no, give it to them.

2935
03:06:54.000 --> 03:07:02.000
Don't send them off saying, well, you know, I encourage you in this, or even though you're not talking, we're not talking about sending them off, we're talking about, oh, come into the program, you know, and get this.

2936
03:07:02.000 --> 03:07:10.000
We're still telling them, hey, look, you're on your own, and I'm just here to convince you, you already, you already have it.

2937
03:07:10.000 --> 03:07:19.000
That is something we want them to understand, but the way that we do it is if they don't feel loved, we love them. We don't tell them that they're loved. We don't tell them they should feel loved.

2938
03:07:19.000 --> 03:07:29.000
We don't point them to all the areas of their life that should explain to them and convince them that they're loved. We love them. It requires something of us. We have to give it.

2939
03:07:29.000 --> 03:07:36.000
That someone that we love or someone that we care about doesn't feel it. We love them. We don't convince them they should be.

2940
03:07:36.000 --> 03:07:47.000
We also have confidence in them. And so, again, it all comes back to putting on our own oxygen mask first. If someone doesn't feel something, we give it to them.

2941
03:07:47.000 --> 03:07:54.000
We love them. We have confidence in them. Not think that they should have confidence in themselves.

2942
03:07:55.000 --> 03:08:08.000
We give it to them. You know, that kind of thing. And understanding that and making that internal conscious shift in our mind will change how you write the posts.

2943
03:08:09.000 --> 03:08:19.000
So it all goes back to changing what it is that we actually believe. And we will naturally write, speak, and express what it is that we naturally believe.

2944
03:08:19.000 --> 03:08:29.000
But if we haven't changed how it is that we believe, then, yeah, we're having to work on how to wordsmith something in order to come across to someone in a particular way.

2945
03:08:30.000 --> 03:08:50.000
So, yeah, and I totally hear you there. And I guess I'm thinking, if that's the case, and I'm not calling them to something that they don't have, then what do you call a five-day challenge where it's like calling them to something that they already have or something that...

2946
03:08:51.000 --> 03:08:52.000
I'm sorry, just a second.

2947
03:08:59.000 --> 03:09:11.000
I'm so sorry. I have people in my house that my mom came home and so my mom and my grandma are in the kitchen and they are just laughing and having a great time and I cannot hear you. So can you repeat what you said?

2948
03:09:12.000 --> 03:09:32.000
Sure, of course. So if I don't want to title the challenge something like self-love by looking at something that they don't have that I'm going to help them get, but titling it something from where they already are, I still don't know where the need is there.

2949
03:09:33.000 --> 03:09:46.000
How do they know that they need it? What do I call it so that they go, oh, that's something that I need? Because self-love, they can go, I need it. Confidence, they can go, I need it. How do you even title something like that?

2950
03:09:47.000 --> 03:09:59.000
Well, it would be, they will hear their own need. They know for themselves their own need. You don't have to identify their need for them.

2951
03:10:00.000 --> 03:10:11.160
People find it themselves again you write things and explain things in such a way that they find themselves in it, as opposed to you identifying who they are in the story.

2952
03:10:12.520 --> 03:10:29.080
Instead of writing a post telling you this is, this is who you are in the story you you just write truth and let them find themselves in the story, let them find where it is that they don't have what it is that you are talking about they will identify their own gap.

2953
03:10:30.560 --> 03:10:39.280
So would you call it something like the five day loved by God challenge like is that that's like truth and it's what they are.

2954
03:10:43.720 --> 03:10:47.360
It can be something like experiencing love or.

2955
03:10:48.720 --> 03:10:51.560
or experiencing God's love.

2956
03:10:53.480 --> 03:10:54.640
or something like that.

2957
03:10:56.640 --> 03:10:56.960
yeah.

2958
03:10:57.160 --> 03:10:59.120
Because that's what you have up here.

2959
03:10:59.840 --> 03:11:06.200
yeah and it's not identifying that they don't have it all you're talking about oh we're going to be experiencing God's love this week.

2960
03:11:07.440 --> 03:11:08.160
yeah and.

2961
03:11:08.960 --> 03:11:09.760
Does that make sense.

2962
03:11:10.040 --> 03:11:14.840
What it is that's actually what it is, it is experiencing God's love really.

2963
03:11:16.480 --> 03:11:17.000
yeah yeah.

2964
03:11:17.840 --> 03:11:28.840
So it's that kind of thing you always it so you're you're saying everything you're saying it all right, you just tweak it you're saying, in other words, you're saying all the right things it's just.

2965
03:11:29.120 --> 03:11:33.720
How you phrase it that switches it to a positive mindset.

2966
03:11:35.040 --> 03:11:36.200
and attracts those people.

2967
03:11:36.720 --> 03:11:49.600
it's funny want to experience God's love, as opposed to you, identifying the gap yeah see see some of you are aren't experiencing it very much and others you really aren't experiencing you're not identifying a gap you're not identifying where it is you are you're just like who wants this.

2968
03:11:50.040 --> 03:11:55.720
This is wonderful once it you're going to have to work, I don't know how far how far away, you are from this thing.

2969
03:11:56.200 --> 03:12:02.640
That you're you know how far away, you are from this thing so therefore once you identify that you want this thing you're the one who has to own.

2970
03:12:03.080 --> 03:12:10.960
That that that journey, whether it be a short one or a long one in order to get here but that's your deal i'm just offering this up here, not how i'm not offering.

2971
03:12:12.440 --> 03:12:13.120
To.

2972
03:12:16.360 --> 03:12:17.200
i'm not.

2973
03:12:17.640 --> 03:12:24.160
I can't I can't think of it the way that I was thinking of how to describe that but you're not offering.

2974
03:12:26.120 --> 03:12:26.920
To help.

2975
03:12:28.240 --> 03:12:43.600
Sorry, the reason i'm focused on this is it's important if I can figure out how to articulate it the you're not focusing on and telling them that you are.

2976
03:12:43.600 --> 03:12:44.880
You are.

2977
03:12:47.840 --> 03:12:49.120
you're identifying.

2978
03:12:50.560 --> 03:13:08.760
and acknowledging the distance that they're going to have to travel to get there you're just telling them, this is where you could go do you want to go here, because you would offer for the same price, and if you were in say the.

2979
03:13:09.760 --> 03:13:20.040
If you had a resort you had a resort you're going to offer for the same price to someone who tried to travel a an hour than someone who had to travel halfway around the world.

2980
03:13:21.080 --> 03:13:32.800
it that's their deal how far they have to come do they want it and let them own the value in their world of what getting to that destination means to them.

2981
03:13:33.320 --> 03:13:38.360
that's not for you that's not a responsibility that's on you.

2982
03:13:39.880 --> 03:13:52.800
Of like a how far to identify oh i'm only interested in people that are in South Africa that want to come you're just like know who wants to come here that's all I care about who wants to enjoy being here.

2983
03:13:54.240 --> 03:13:54.640
and

2984
03:13:56.400 --> 03:13:57.360
Is that the help.

2985
03:13:57.800 --> 03:14:09.160
Whereas I would be like oh you're traveling from that far, maybe I should give you a discount because you're already paying a lot to travel, whereas the way you're talking about it as much better because that's what I would do.

2986
03:14:09.680 --> 03:14:12.840
And yeah which we don't want to yeah because.

2987
03:14:12.840 --> 03:14:33.880
yeah anyway, and also also another way thinking of discounts there's nothing wrong with discounts, but we need to be careful in how we do I recommend that we that we be careful in how we view discounts, because what we don't want to do is buy is sometimes by discounting things we can subconsciously value.

2988
03:14:35.720 --> 03:14:36.560
Put value.

2989
03:14:37.040 --> 03:14:37.960
Put value.

2990
03:14:39.280 --> 03:14:50.840
In the minds of the person of sorry put value on the pain that they are going through as if it's worth more than someone else's.

2991
03:14:51.760 --> 03:14:59.960
yeah that we give them a discount and there's nothing wrong with discounts it's the it's the attitude, the perspective, the.

2992
03:15:00.000 --> 03:15:06.160
intention behind what the discount is supposed to be saying and what it's supposed to be accomplishing

2993
03:15:06.960 --> 03:15:14.560
um so yeah no that's good and i think yeah i really like that like experiencing god's love

2994
03:15:14.560 --> 03:15:18.720
challenge because that's what it is and then here's the thing that i'm thinking about now

2995
03:15:18.720 --> 03:15:26.400
my program is called the set free academy and they're already set free so the name of it

2996
03:15:26.400 --> 03:15:35.200
represents who they are it's like um it's like a noun and a bit of a verb at the same time

2997
03:15:35.200 --> 03:15:39.200
um could be an adjective too it's a whole bunch of different things

2998
03:15:39.200 --> 03:15:45.760
set free i want it to represent that they are already set free and they are learning

2999
03:15:47.760 --> 03:15:52.800
you know how to live into that freedom but i'm trying to explain that in the way of

3000
03:15:53.760 --> 03:15:55.360
what we're talking about here

3001
03:15:58.160 --> 03:16:04.400
um so i'm sorry what's your question how you is it is your question about the name of the academy

3002
03:16:04.400 --> 03:16:10.880
set free or is it about what you're describing to people about the point of the academy well i guess

3003
03:16:10.880 --> 03:16:17.280
my main question would be is that title okay is that is that telling them that they would be set

3004
03:16:17.520 --> 03:16:23.360
free or is it assuming that they are already set free because of what christ did for them and they

3005
03:16:23.360 --> 03:16:30.160
just are learning how to believe it and live in that space like how how can i articulate that so

3006
03:16:30.160 --> 03:16:38.480
it's still calling them to who they are already um what i would just personal recommendation um

3007
03:16:38.480 --> 03:16:45.760
i would recommend not talking about the uh in in the in the title that it might be especially

3008
03:16:45.760 --> 03:16:51.680
helpful if it's if the journey isn't talked about because the program is not about the journey the

3009
03:16:51.680 --> 03:16:56.880
program is about the being it so i i don't know that this is just a really good title i'm just

3010
03:16:56.880 --> 03:17:01.360
coming up with i'm just throwing it out there just because to give you to get your mind start

3011
03:17:01.360 --> 03:17:06.080
thinking about oh that kind of a shift um i'm not saying that it's a very glamorous title or anything

3012
03:17:06.800 --> 03:17:13.280
but uh instead of set free because set gives this idea of even though you know we already are set

3013
03:17:13.280 --> 03:17:18.080
free the way that that can come across is set free and i'm just letting you know you know from

3014
03:17:18.080 --> 03:17:25.840
a third party perspective that set free can give the impression in someone's mind of action in other

3015
03:17:25.840 --> 03:17:34.480
words that there's journey in it but in other words it's not already there um and uh the and

3016
03:17:34.480 --> 03:17:40.480
and so they're just like okay i'm get i want to be free so yes i'd like to be set free again

3017
03:17:41.360 --> 03:17:48.000
it can be a subconscious trigger in their mind that um of of acknowledging their lack

3018
03:17:48.000 --> 03:17:53.600
acknowledging i'm not there yet while uh there's nothing wrong with your title i'm just giving you

3019
03:17:53.600 --> 03:17:58.880
an idea of like that is something that can like the way that some people might might see that

3020
03:17:59.440 --> 03:18:05.840
um and another so one of the the change that you can make is called it could be again it's not

3021
03:18:05.840 --> 03:18:13.040
glamorous uh is being free the being free academy or the or the free academy uh not free academy

3022
03:18:13.040 --> 03:18:19.920
that sounds like it doesn't cost anything but uh you know being free or um um again it's not a

3023
03:18:19.920 --> 03:18:23.920
glamorous title it's a really i don't know that that's a really good one i just want to let you

3024
03:18:23.920 --> 03:18:32.320
know of a word change in order to change because the being free is not talking about the fact that

3025
03:18:32.320 --> 03:18:38.080
they're acknowledging that they're not somewhere that they're trying to go it's kind of like rest

3026
03:18:38.080 --> 03:18:44.640
intensive i just say rest intensive i don't talk anywhere in there about a journey i just like rest

3027
03:18:44.640 --> 03:18:48.720
don't we all want to be in rest i don't talk about the fact that they're not somewhere and hey the

3028
03:18:48.720 --> 03:18:53.600
program is going to get you there i do not address the journey i address it as something that every

3029
03:18:53.600 --> 03:19:00.240
time they say it's like this is already where i am and where i can choose to be because god's

3030
03:19:00.240 --> 03:19:04.720
declared to be so anyway those are just some thoughts this is from somebody who's it i know

3031
03:19:04.720 --> 03:19:10.080
i'm belaboring the point about words that i have a degree in english and and it's because the lord

3032
03:19:10.080 --> 03:19:20.880
has put a really um i i i greatly appreciate um the the nuances of words because they do trigger

3033
03:19:20.880 --> 03:19:25.520
us subconsciously and people don't realize it so i know that they actually matter so anyway i just

3034
03:19:25.520 --> 03:19:30.960
think it's important but everybody i'm all about words i'm an english major too and a teacher so

3035
03:19:30.960 --> 03:19:39.840
i'm all about words and and i have you ever studied masaru emoto um i i've looked at some

3036
03:19:39.840 --> 03:19:44.960
of his stuff yes about you know the power of words and you know how it changes um how it affects um

3037
03:19:44.960 --> 03:19:49.520
water you know how it affects creation our words impact creation yeah i haven't studied a lot about

3038
03:19:49.520 --> 03:19:54.080
him but yeah i've looked at his pictures and stuff pretty cool stuff right yes yes it is

3039
03:19:54.080 --> 03:19:59.840
very nice yeah it's so true how like i love that like the being free academy

3040
03:20:00.000 --> 03:20:03.200
could be an easy switch. Like I have a lot of recorded videos

3041
03:20:03.200 --> 03:20:07.760
where I say the set free Academy. So and then the set free

3042
03:20:07.760 --> 03:20:11.440
Academy in my Academy underneath in the picture, it says break

3043
03:20:11.440 --> 03:20:15.200
the chains that bind you. So it's all about breaking free,

3044
03:20:15.200 --> 03:20:19.960
right set free. So it would be it would take some time to like

3045
03:20:19.960 --> 03:20:24.040
change all that over. So I'm wondering, once they get into

3046
03:20:24.040 --> 03:20:28.960
the program, the truth is, they are going to have some stuff to

3047
03:20:28.960 --> 03:20:34.760
work on. So at the moment, do I need to? I don't know if I need

3048
03:20:34.760 --> 03:20:37.440
to change it yet. Or if I should just like wait it out. Because I

3049
03:20:37.440 --> 03:20:39.560
know it's going to be a lot of work for me to go back and like

3050
03:20:39.560 --> 03:20:41.680
rerecord and change everything. Yeah.

3051
03:20:42.400 --> 03:20:48.360
Yeah. I honestly wouldn't personally worry about the title.

3052
03:20:48.560 --> 03:20:50.960
Because kind of like what I was talking about and how you

3053
03:20:50.960 --> 03:20:53.000
present yourself and where people were just like, Oh, well,

3054
03:20:53.000 --> 03:20:55.280
you know, you should you shouldn't look so put together

3055
03:20:55.280 --> 03:20:59.480
hogwash. Same thing with the title. It's like, what what is

3056
03:20:59.480 --> 03:21:02.480
the message that you're speaking? It when you write your

3057
03:21:02.480 --> 03:21:05.680
post when you talk to people in the clarity calls, what is the

3058
03:21:05.680 --> 03:21:10.360
message and then people will be that you it you will attract

3059
03:21:10.360 --> 03:21:15.760
those people regardless of the title. So then you will so you

3060
03:21:15.760 --> 03:21:18.160
don't have to worry that the title isn't the title isn't

3061
03:21:18.160 --> 03:21:21.600
holding you back. That's why I almost didn't even want to talk

3062
03:21:21.600 --> 03:21:24.120
about the title because I'm like, well, you know, as really

3063
03:21:24.120 --> 03:21:28.000
not the issue. But if that here's just a way that you could

3064
03:21:28.040 --> 03:21:33.360
view the title, but that won't make or break anything. It's a

3065
03:21:33.360 --> 03:21:35.840
great title and nothing wrong with it like it like he's like

3066
03:21:35.880 --> 03:21:40.640
you had always intended the title to be to be portrayed and

3067
03:21:40.640 --> 03:21:44.240
to be received as which it is because it is that is what the

3068
03:21:44.240 --> 03:21:48.320
phrase means. Set free means we already are we already are set

3069
03:21:48.320 --> 03:21:53.320
free. I was but so it really didn't matter. Just you just

3070
03:21:53.320 --> 03:21:55.720
leave it, you know, the way that it is, unless the Lord

3071
03:21:55.720 --> 03:21:58.520
just really has it on your heart that you need to change it. Just

3072
03:21:58.600 --> 03:22:02.960
that's not making or breaking anything. It's, it's, you know,

3073
03:22:02.960 --> 03:22:05.160
just the way that you that you talk about things and always

3074
03:22:05.160 --> 03:22:08.120
presenting things from a very positive perspective. Another

3075
03:22:08.120 --> 03:22:12.920
thing to think about taking this to, you know, expanding on all

3076
03:22:12.920 --> 03:22:20.600
of this is how you talk in your in your in your teachings. So

3077
03:22:20.600 --> 03:22:23.520
it's not just the posts. And I don't know this because I

3078
03:22:23.520 --> 03:22:27.840
haven't like listened to a lot of your teachings or anything.

3079
03:22:27.840 --> 03:22:30.760
So I'm not talking. I'm not saying Oh, look, I've noticed

3080
03:22:30.760 --> 03:22:33.600
this. This is just something that came up and it came in my

3081
03:22:33.600 --> 03:22:36.960
head that if your posts are written a certain way, most

3082
03:22:36.960 --> 03:22:40.120
likely you're talking like that, and you're teaching like that.

3083
03:22:40.520 --> 03:22:45.880
And it will help you it people will be more likely to shift

3084
03:22:46.600 --> 03:22:50.240
faster. And maybe when they hear your like, for instance, your

3085
03:22:50.240 --> 03:22:53.880
self love challenge, if they were to go the five days, they

3086
03:22:53.880 --> 03:22:57.600
might be more inclined to join the program. If the if the

3087
03:22:57.600 --> 03:23:02.000
teaching was again like that, like, like what we're talking

3088
03:23:02.000 --> 03:23:05.920
about, where you're talking about everything from a positive

3089
03:23:05.920 --> 03:23:09.240
perspective, instead of spending so much time and maybe you're

3090
03:23:09.240 --> 03:23:12.160
not doing this, I'm just coming up with an idea. Again, I'm not

3091
03:23:12.160 --> 03:23:14.880
speaking from experience here of listening to your stuff. It's

3092
03:23:14.880 --> 03:23:18.160
just an idea that came to my mind. If you are talking a lot

3093
03:23:18.160 --> 03:23:23.640
about the pain, and like, hey, you can get out of this, then it

3094
03:23:23.640 --> 03:23:27.200
may not attract as many people or at least the people without

3095
03:23:27.200 --> 03:23:31.000
poverty mindset to join your bigger program. And I don't know

3096
03:23:31.000 --> 03:23:33.640
how you talk and teach in your bigger program as well. But the

3097
03:23:33.640 --> 03:23:36.960
more that you talk about the positive, the more that it's

3098
03:23:36.960 --> 03:23:39.920
going to, you know, cross everything, not just your posts,

3099
03:23:40.080 --> 03:23:43.240
and not just your ads, but in your in your challenges, and in

3100
03:23:43.240 --> 03:23:48.840
your big program teaching the the, that the healthier people

3101
03:23:48.840 --> 03:23:53.120
that it's going to attract, that is more likely to attract, keep

3102
03:23:53.360 --> 03:23:58.240
and, and help them effectively shift this. So that's something

3103
03:23:58.240 --> 03:24:00.600
else I just wanted to expand it into is beyond just the

3104
03:24:00.600 --> 03:24:06.640
marketing, beyond just the calls of people that just in it. But

3105
03:24:06.640 --> 03:24:10.160
I'm not speaking to have me like heard you and like saying, Oh,

3106
03:24:10.160 --> 03:24:11.360
you're not doing this. No, I'm not.

3107
03:24:12.200 --> 03:24:15.200
Well, I'm doing a mix of it, right? Like I'm calling them

3108
03:24:15.200 --> 03:24:20.080
forward. But at the same time, I'm really focusing on, are you

3109
03:24:20.080 --> 03:24:24.120
here? Do you feel this way? Is this what your experience has

3110
03:24:24.120 --> 03:24:28.200
been? Do you still struggle with this? Well, then guess where you

3111
03:24:28.200 --> 03:24:30.600
could be, you could be here, like, let's envision where you

3112
03:24:30.600 --> 03:24:35.560
could be. So I do a bit of both. I do focus a lot more on where

3113
03:24:35.560 --> 03:24:39.080
they're going. But I, I definitely take I definitely

3114
03:24:39.080 --> 03:24:41.400
meet them where they're at, and then show them what's possible.

3115
03:24:41.400 --> 03:24:45.840
But I'm just like, yeah, I don't know that I'm attracting the

3116
03:24:45.840 --> 03:24:47.760
right people. Because I think you're right. I'm attracting the

3117
03:24:47.760 --> 03:24:52.400
people who are like in victim mindset, right? So they're not

3118
03:24:52.840 --> 03:24:58.840
as willing. And I did that, too. Yeah, you did. Yeah. And, and I

3119
03:24:58.840 --> 03:24:59.840
even attracted people.

3120
03:25:00.000 --> 03:25:06.160
poverty, mentality, that sort of that were, um, uh, that, that paid a lot of money.

3121
03:25:07.320 --> 03:25:09.740
They were willing to pay a lot of money and they still did.

3122
03:25:10.160 --> 03:25:14.520
Um, uh, and, uh, anyway, so that was, that was very interesting.

3123
03:25:14.520 --> 03:25:18.720
So it's not like the money can, can eliminate it.

3124
03:25:19.080 --> 03:25:23.640
It's, uh, again, you know, the Lord just sent them to me and all my word, I

3125
03:25:23.640 --> 03:25:29.440
learned so much through working with those people so much, um, good things.

3126
03:25:29.720 --> 03:25:33.760
And I just, I had to realize, you know what, um, God sent them to me.

3127
03:25:34.280 --> 03:25:40.040
Not to, not for them to get somewhere, you know, and if they didn't get somewhere,

3128
03:25:40.040 --> 03:25:41.680
then it said something about me and my teaching.

3129
03:25:41.680 --> 03:25:44.480
Cause again, like what we were talking about with the money, the issue was not

3130
03:25:44.480 --> 03:25:46.240
an exchange between me and the other person.

3131
03:25:46.240 --> 03:25:48.040
This is all about between me and the Lord.

3132
03:25:48.400 --> 03:25:51.720
So God just sent them to, he just needed them to be loved on.

3133
03:25:52.320 --> 03:25:54.040
He wanted to give them something special.

3134
03:25:54.040 --> 03:25:55.680
And I was the special thing he gave them.

3135
03:25:55.680 --> 03:25:59.160
He gave them someone to see them for who.

3136
03:26:55.680 --> 03:26:56.680
Sorry, my phone died.

3137
03:26:56.680 --> 03:26:57.680
That's okay.

3138
03:26:57.680 --> 03:26:58.680
Well, I can, I can let you go.

3139
03:26:58.680 --> 03:27:01.680
I know I've taken a lot of your time and I appreciate it all.

3140
03:27:01.680 --> 03:27:07.680
So anyway, I, um, that's all I was, I was going to, um, just, um, um, say about

3141
03:27:07.680 --> 03:27:09.680
that, but it did that, did that make sense?

3142
03:27:09.680 --> 03:27:14.160
Did I at least end what we were, in other words, answer your question,

3143
03:27:14.160 --> 03:27:15.840
but did that, did that make sense?

3144
03:27:15.840 --> 03:27:19.880
Did I at least end what we were, in other words, answer your question, but did

3145
03:27:19.880 --> 03:27:23.080
that make sense to you, did that make sense to you, did that make sense to you?

3146
03:27:23.880 --> 03:27:28.040
Yeah, that's wonderful.

3147
03:27:28.040 --> 03:27:33.240
And I've gotten some really good insight and going to tweak some messaging.

3148
03:27:33.240 --> 03:27:36.320
And I also gave them a lot.

3149
03:27:36.760 --> 03:27:39.320
I gave them, I didn't think I was giving them that much.

3150
03:27:39.360 --> 03:27:43.360
I knew I was giving them a lot, but I almost gave them too much.

3151
03:27:43.360 --> 03:27:47.480
I think where they didn't see enough of a gap to actually work with me.

3152
03:27:48.360 --> 03:27:49.360
What do you mean?

3153
03:27:49.720 --> 03:27:57.200
Like they, in the challenge, I set them up to see themselves through God's eyes

3154
03:27:57.280 --> 03:28:02.560
so well that when the challenge was done, they're like, I feel so good.

3155
03:28:02.560 --> 03:28:04.320
I don't know if I need anything more.

3156
03:28:06.080 --> 03:28:10.280
So I don't know if, I mean, I want to do that, but then at the same time, I also

3157
03:28:10.280 --> 03:28:12.640
want them to work with me longer term.

3158
03:28:12.640 --> 03:28:18.680
So, yeah, I know that is a very interesting, um, uh, thought and, and

3159
03:28:18.680 --> 03:28:23.440
that's the thing that, um, we, we want to, there's nothing wrong with giving

3160
03:28:23.440 --> 03:28:29.200
someone, um, everything, um, because, Hey, if that's all they need, that is

3161
03:28:29.200 --> 03:28:31.400
wonderful, but you and I know that's not all they need.

3162
03:28:32.360 --> 03:28:35.120
So what it is that we can do to help other people.

3163
03:28:35.160 --> 03:28:36.440
And again, this is for the help.

3164
03:28:36.520 --> 03:28:42.640
This isn't so that, oh, people can, um, you know, work with us longer and, you

3165
03:28:42.640 --> 03:28:47.040
know, give us more money or whatever the issue, you know, that, um, uh, that

3166
03:28:47.040 --> 03:28:57.000
people would, um, accuse accuses that, um, it's, it's helping them be able to

3167
03:28:57.040 --> 03:29:05.560
recognize when, what a life looks like so that they can identify again, identify

3168
03:29:05.560 --> 03:29:10.440
themselves in the story of what it looks like when they really have moved into

3169
03:29:10.440 --> 03:29:17.000
what it is that you're saying, like painting a picture and describing, this

3170
03:29:17.000 --> 03:29:25.280
is what this place looks like so that they can determine for themselves.

3171
03:29:25.640 --> 03:29:28.640
They can look at themselves and know whether or not they're here.

3172
03:29:29.120 --> 03:29:32.120
It's not us identifying for them, whether or not they're here.

3173
03:29:32.320 --> 03:29:36.360
We just paint this picture and they can do, they can determine and figure out

3174
03:29:36.360 --> 03:29:39.400
in their lives, whether or not they really are there, whether or not

3175
03:29:39.400 --> 03:29:44.200
their life looks a particular way when they interact with, as it should up

3176
03:29:44.200 --> 03:29:48.440
there, when they interact in their relationships, in their marriage, in

3177
03:29:48.440 --> 03:29:53.920
their parenting, um, when someone, um, when they don't get the promotion that

3178
03:29:53.920 --> 03:29:58.320
they wanted, when they felt overlooked, when, um, they struggle with their

3179
03:29:58.320 --> 03:30:00.120
health, how it is that they're viewing themselves.

3180
03:30:00.000 --> 03:30:04.340
or I don't know, whatever.

3181
03:30:04.340 --> 03:30:06.540
What does life look like

3182
03:30:06.540 --> 03:30:10.140
when you really truly have shifted into this,

3183
03:30:10.140 --> 03:30:12.380
when you really truly love yourself?

3184
03:30:13.260 --> 03:30:15.620
And this is what it looks, you know,

3185
03:30:15.620 --> 03:30:18.100
this is what it's like, and isn't this wonderful?

3186
03:30:18.100 --> 03:30:21.180
And this is the feeling, and this is the experience,

3187
03:30:21.180 --> 03:30:23.260
and this is the interaction that you have with other people

3188
03:30:23.260 --> 03:30:24.580
and dah, dah, dah, dah, and isn't this great

3189
03:30:24.580 --> 03:30:25.720
and isn't this wonderful?

3190
03:30:25.720 --> 03:30:27.260
They will be able to identify

3191
03:30:27.260 --> 03:30:29.260
whether or not they're doing that.

3192
03:30:29.300 --> 03:30:30.900
And that lets them know whether or not

3193
03:30:30.900 --> 03:30:35.540
they really did get out of your program,

3194
03:30:35.540 --> 03:30:40.540
everything it is that you want them to have stepped into.

3195
03:30:41.460 --> 03:30:43.580
And they might leave your program thinking,

3196
03:30:43.580 --> 03:30:47.240
yes, yes, I've gotten there, I feel so much better,

3197
03:30:47.240 --> 03:30:49.020
which is how we do when we leave sessions

3198
03:30:49.020 --> 03:30:49.860
and we leave conferences.

3199
03:30:49.860 --> 03:30:51.740
Oh my goodness, my world has changed.

3200
03:30:51.740 --> 03:30:53.160
And then we hit real life,

3201
03:30:53.160 --> 03:30:54.620
you know, or the same thing after a sermon.

3202
03:30:54.620 --> 03:30:56.520
You know, we leave church and we all think,

3203
03:30:56.520 --> 03:30:57.900
oh, my life has changed.

3204
03:30:57.900 --> 03:31:00.620
And then, you know, as soon as we get home,

3205
03:31:00.620 --> 03:31:02.740
you know, we go back to, we go back to normal.

3206
03:31:02.740 --> 03:31:04.620
We might just feel better about it,

3207
03:31:04.620 --> 03:31:06.660
but we go back to normal.

3208
03:31:06.660 --> 03:31:09.420
And so if that,

3209
03:31:09.420 --> 03:31:12.220
so they might do the same thing with your challenge,

3210
03:31:12.220 --> 03:31:15.660
but they, it will give them an opportunity

3211
03:31:15.660 --> 03:31:19.140
to have time to, and for life to happen,

3212
03:31:19.140 --> 03:31:22.700
where they recognize that they are not

3213
03:31:22.700 --> 03:31:25.980
in the place that you described.

3214
03:31:26.900 --> 03:31:30.380
So we don't have to identify how they,

3215
03:31:30.380 --> 03:31:32.580
how there's a gap.

3216
03:31:32.580 --> 03:31:34.460
We just have to identify the truth.

3217
03:31:34.460 --> 03:31:36.580
They can discover their own gap

3218
03:31:36.580 --> 03:31:38.940
and they can identify their own gap.

3219
03:31:38.940 --> 03:31:40.840
We only ever talk to the positive.

3220
03:31:43.780 --> 03:31:45.500
I'm just making a note here.

3221
03:31:45.500 --> 03:31:49.980
So maybe to support them at this point,

3222
03:31:49.980 --> 03:31:52.060
might be good to do some posts on,

3223
03:31:52.060 --> 03:31:54.380
you know, you've done the self-love challenge,

3224
03:31:54.380 --> 03:31:56.180
which name is going to be changed for the next one,

3225
03:31:56.180 --> 03:31:58.180
but you've done the self-love challenge

3226
03:31:58.180 --> 03:32:01.660
and now you're experiencing more of God's love.

3227
03:32:01.660 --> 03:32:05.340
Like if you've really experienced that amazing shift

3228
03:32:05.340 --> 03:32:07.060
that you wanted at the beginning of the challenge,

3229
03:32:07.060 --> 03:32:09.260
this is what you might feel right now.

3230
03:32:09.260 --> 03:32:11.780
And then, you know, talk a little bit about that.

3231
03:32:11.780 --> 03:32:13.340
And like, is this how you're feeling?

3232
03:32:13.340 --> 03:32:16.860
And, you know, and then like something

3233
03:32:16.860 --> 03:32:19.340
along those lines, maybe just to help.

3234
03:32:19.340 --> 03:32:21.460
Without talking about you,

3235
03:32:21.460 --> 03:32:23.700
this is what you might feel like you,

3236
03:32:23.740 --> 03:32:25.780
let them find themselves.

3237
03:32:25.780 --> 03:32:27.980
Just talking about, this is what life is like.

3238
03:32:27.980 --> 03:32:32.980
And this is how, you know, a relationship, you know,

3239
03:32:34.620 --> 03:32:39.420
so now that you, or, you know,

3240
03:32:39.420 --> 03:32:43.020
I'm trying to speak theoretically to something

3241
03:32:43.020 --> 03:32:46.020
without having something very practical and concrete,

3242
03:32:46.020 --> 03:32:49.620
but just this idea where instead of telling them,

3243
03:32:49.620 --> 03:32:51.260
oh, you know, do you feel like this?

3244
03:32:51.260 --> 03:32:52.220
Do you connect with this?

3245
03:32:52.220 --> 03:32:53.980
Instead of doing that,

3246
03:32:53.980 --> 03:32:55.740
you just talk about something over here

3247
03:32:55.740 --> 03:32:59.140
and let them make the journey to compare themselves to it

3248
03:32:59.140 --> 03:33:01.380
as opposed to bringing it to their level,

3249
03:33:01.380 --> 03:33:05.740
asking like spoon-feeding them and hand-holding them too.

3250
03:33:05.740 --> 03:33:07.340
Okay, do you feel like this?

3251
03:33:07.340 --> 03:33:08.300
Yes, yes I do.

3252
03:33:08.300 --> 03:33:10.300
Okay, so now here's the next step.

3253
03:33:10.300 --> 03:33:11.140
Do you wanna come up here?

3254
03:33:11.140 --> 03:33:13.100
Okay, well, I'm having somebody walk with me

3255
03:33:13.100 --> 03:33:14.860
step-by-step in the process.

3256
03:33:14.860 --> 03:33:18.060
Don't try to like handhold and babysit

3257
03:33:18.060 --> 03:33:23.060
and process them through all of these steps

3258
03:33:23.180 --> 03:33:25.820
because they'll always rely on you that way.

3259
03:33:26.780 --> 03:33:30.260
To walk them emotionally or mentally through,

3260
03:33:30.260 --> 03:33:31.300
let them find themselves.

3261
03:33:31.300 --> 03:33:34.020
You want people who are healthier.

3262
03:33:34.020 --> 03:33:35.140
I have people in my life

3263
03:33:35.140 --> 03:33:37.700
that I would love to take the rest intensive.

3264
03:33:38.660 --> 03:33:41.860
And these are people that love and support me.

3265
03:33:41.860 --> 03:33:46.860
And they, but they are not in a place

3266
03:33:47.820 --> 03:33:49.780
where they can,

3267
03:33:51.540 --> 03:33:54.300
where they can,

3268
03:33:55.460 --> 03:33:57.980
that they can own it for themselves.

3269
03:33:57.980 --> 03:33:59.860
And they've heard me talk about it.

3270
03:33:59.860 --> 03:34:03.100
They've heard, they're connected with me on Facebook.

3271
03:34:03.100 --> 03:34:05.060
They support me with loves and likes

3272
03:34:05.060 --> 03:34:06.660
and actually it's just wonderful.

3273
03:34:06.660 --> 03:34:08.620
And I see how you're changing.

3274
03:34:08.620 --> 03:34:09.940
You know, the way that they word it is,

3275
03:34:09.940 --> 03:34:12.460
oh, Ashley, I see how people's lives are changing.

3276
03:34:12.460 --> 03:34:14.900
Oh, I'm just so supportive and this is so wonderful.

3277
03:34:14.900 --> 03:34:18.220
And I'm thinking, you need this so much

3278
03:34:18.220 --> 03:34:20.180
that they have to find it.

3279
03:34:20.180 --> 03:34:22.420
I can't tell them, hey, look, you need this.

3280
03:34:22.420 --> 03:34:24.620
And hey, by the way, I wanted to offer this to you.

3281
03:34:24.620 --> 03:34:27.940
I do not want to offer it to people.

3282
03:34:27.940 --> 03:34:32.020
Even people I love, I don't want to offer it.

3283
03:34:32.020 --> 03:34:37.020
So yeah, so I, a way to think about it

3284
03:34:37.940 --> 03:34:41.020
is even like not even telling them,

3285
03:34:42.020 --> 03:34:46.900
you know, you might be experiencing this right now.

3286
03:34:46.900 --> 03:34:48.860
You might, whatever.

3287
03:34:49.940 --> 03:34:54.940
In a way, they've been thinking about themselves too much.

3288
03:34:55.620 --> 03:35:00.620
So be someone that isn't always talking about themselves.

3289
03:35:00.000 --> 03:35:04.520
them. But that's always there. Because they're always focusing

3290
03:35:04.520 --> 03:35:07.320
on how do I feel? They're telling me that I need to feel

3291
03:35:07.320 --> 03:35:10.160
about how I need to think about what it is I feel and how is it

3292
03:35:10.160 --> 03:35:14.120
that I feel and how I shifted into this water. Let them find

3293
03:35:14.120 --> 03:35:16.520
it, let them ask themselves their own questions and come up

3294
03:35:16.520 --> 03:35:18.800
with their own questions and what to ask themselves. And you'd

3295
03:35:18.800 --> 03:35:22.480
be that someone that just paints this picture of what life looks

3296
03:35:22.480 --> 03:35:25.280
like. And the fact that you're there and you're not abandoning

3297
03:35:25.280 --> 03:35:27.360
them, and they're so excited that someone's not abandoning

3298
03:35:27.360 --> 03:35:30.560
them. And someone thinks that, oh, life can look like this. Do

3299
03:35:30.560 --> 03:35:32.680
I want to choose for myself that I want my life to look like

3300
03:35:32.680 --> 03:35:37.280
that? Let them allow themselves to compare to the picture that

3301
03:35:37.280 --> 03:35:42.520
you're painting, as opposed to asking, do you think what do you

3302
03:35:42.520 --> 03:35:45.920
think about how you compare to this picture? You know, or you

3303
03:35:45.920 --> 03:35:48.680
might be feeling this right now, you might let them feel what

3304
03:35:48.680 --> 03:35:54.160
they want, think what they want, whatever. And please don't hear

3305
03:35:54.160 --> 03:35:57.080
what I'm not saying. I'm not trying to tear down your ideas

3306
03:35:57.080 --> 03:35:59.720
at all. I'm saying if you're trying to attract certain

3307
03:35:59.720 --> 03:36:02.600
people, these are tips and tricks that I've learned of how

3308
03:36:02.600 --> 03:36:06.840
they receive how I'm talking, they receive it as too much is

3309
03:36:06.840 --> 03:36:10.840
so much help that there's nothing for them to do. And I

3310
03:36:10.840 --> 03:36:13.400
was just attracting the wrong people. And I did not know

3311
03:36:13.400 --> 03:36:15.280
that's how they were getting it. I thought they were feeling

3312
03:36:15.280 --> 03:36:17.640
loved, because I was trying to love them. And that's what

3313
03:36:17.640 --> 03:36:20.680
you're doing. You're trying to love everybody. But they don't

3314
03:36:20.680 --> 03:36:22.560
receive it in the way that we thought.

3315
03:36:23.080 --> 03:36:28.520
So, yeah. So did you say don't help them so much that they feel

3316
03:36:28.520 --> 03:36:30.240
like there's nothing for them to do?

3317
03:36:30.960 --> 03:36:35.840
Oh, no, I'm sorry. No, that that's a that's a that's a great

3318
03:36:35.840 --> 03:36:46.120
thing. And it's what I was talking about is it's the same

3319
03:36:46.120 --> 03:36:49.000
thing that I said, I keep trying to think is there a different

3320
03:36:49.000 --> 03:36:53.360
way I could wear this because I know it's hard is if you were

3321
03:36:53.360 --> 03:36:59.520
saying oh, you know, okay, now it's time kind of like in with

3322
03:36:59.520 --> 03:37:05.760
your I would recommend is one of the ways you could do it to not

3323
03:37:06.000 --> 03:37:10.320
prompt set up a time where you're prompting people to

3324
03:37:10.320 --> 03:37:17.240
compare themselves to where they it with your words, where it is

3325
03:37:17.280 --> 03:37:20.320
that they could be or what it is they should be experienced or

3326
03:37:20.320 --> 03:37:23.200
what it is they could be experiencing. Don't prompt them

3327
03:37:23.200 --> 03:37:27.800
for that. Let them do it. Let them decide to do it for

3328
03:37:27.800 --> 03:37:31.560
themselves. And one way that you can trigger them to choose to,

3329
03:37:31.800 --> 03:37:42.960
to, to, to find that for themselves is, oh, wow, no wonder

3330
03:37:42.960 --> 03:37:46.520
I'm having a hard time thinking I have not eaten today. I had

3331
03:37:46.520 --> 03:37:51.080
not thought about this. Okay. Why can I not think today? I

3332
03:37:51.080 --> 03:37:57.640
have not eaten. Okay. But in just just instead be like, you

3333
03:37:57.640 --> 03:38:00.800
know, just just painting this picture, people naturally

3334
03:38:00.800 --> 03:38:04.480
subconsciously compare themselves to a picture that

3335
03:38:04.480 --> 03:38:08.480
they paint that that they see, and they subconsciously ask

3336
03:38:08.480 --> 03:38:12.520
themselves, Am I there? And do I have that? And then all that

3337
03:38:12.520 --> 03:38:15.200
you're doing is you're providing them an opportunity to step into

3338
03:38:15.200 --> 03:38:18.320
it as they if they want to, as opposed to saying, Hey, look,

3339
03:38:18.320 --> 03:38:21.920
this is what life can look like, isn't this wonderful? I hope

3340
03:38:21.920 --> 03:38:25.080
that you have a good life, but you're offering them an

3341
03:38:25.080 --> 03:38:27.880
opportunity that they can take to step into that. In other

3342
03:38:27.880 --> 03:38:33.120
words, you're giving them hope that you're not. But at the same

3343
03:38:33.120 --> 03:38:36.960
time, you're not prompting them to compare themselves with your

3344
03:38:36.960 --> 03:38:40.800
words like, okay, now, now is the time of the of the session

3345
03:38:40.800 --> 03:38:43.360
where we're gonna where I'm inviting you to compare

3346
03:38:43.360 --> 03:38:47.480
yourself to this place where you might want to be to

3347
03:38:47.480 --> 03:38:49.920
discover whether or not you're there yet. So let's all think

3348
03:38:49.920 --> 03:38:53.600
about are you there yet? I recommend don't adding that

3349
03:38:53.640 --> 03:38:58.800
aspect in strictly because of how it takes away the ownership

3350
03:38:58.840 --> 03:39:02.240
of someone else to walk themselves through that process.

3351
03:39:04.240 --> 03:39:07.360
And, and then there's one more thing that I wanted to say that

3352
03:39:07.360 --> 03:39:10.440
I thought about, but but it might, it might kind of change

3353
03:39:10.440 --> 03:39:13.240
the subject just a little bit. So I want to make sure that I

3354
03:39:13.240 --> 03:39:16.440
don't take you on if you had something else you wanted to ask

3355
03:39:16.440 --> 03:39:19.640
or say about that. No, it's okay. Go ahead. Okay. And that

3356
03:39:19.640 --> 03:39:23.240
is about you were talking, painting a picture. One of the

3357
03:39:23.240 --> 03:39:27.840
ways that I that I use, and that I found very helpful to help

3358
03:39:28.120 --> 03:39:30.840
paint a picture for other people that they can compare themselves

3359
03:39:30.840 --> 03:39:37.080
to is testimonies, asking people in the rest intensive, you've

3360
03:39:37.080 --> 03:39:41.440
gone through it to post their testimonies. Why? Because they

3361
03:39:41.440 --> 03:39:45.160
themselves are painting a picture of what their life now

3362
03:39:45.160 --> 03:39:48.520
looks like. So that's in there. But it's all from a positive

3363
03:39:48.520 --> 03:39:52.240
perspective. It's all like, oh my gosh, you know, yeah, they do

3364
03:39:52.240 --> 03:39:54.680
talk about the fact that, oh, you know, this is what I used to

3365
03:39:54.680 --> 03:39:56.920
think. And this is what I used to think. But have you noticed

3366
03:39:57.160 --> 03:40:00.080
that once people shift into rest, and once people have

3367
03:40:00.000 --> 03:40:05.360
have the, um, have the freedom, they don't want to talk about the pain anymore.

3368
03:40:05.520 --> 03:40:09.400
So the pain and the struggle, if you go back and you look through all of those

3369
03:40:09.400 --> 03:40:14.440
testimonies from Amy and Carrie and Susan and everybody else, they talk very, very

3370
03:40:14.440 --> 03:40:18.400
little about the pain that they went to, because by the time that they give their

3371
03:40:18.400 --> 03:40:20.720
testimony, they've shifted so much.

3372
03:40:20.920 --> 03:40:22.640
They don't need to talk about it.

3373
03:40:23.280 --> 03:40:23.560
Yuck.

3374
03:40:23.560 --> 03:40:24.280
He wants to do that.

3375
03:40:24.520 --> 03:40:28.600
They do it to just kind of give people an idea of the gap that they have crossed,

3376
03:40:28.840 --> 03:40:30.760
but they talk so much more about the positive.

3377
03:40:30.760 --> 03:40:34.880
So what they're doing is they're all painting a picture for anybody who views

3378
03:40:34.880 --> 03:40:37.840
it, uh, Hey, look, this is now what life looks like.

3379
03:40:38.080 --> 03:40:41.160
And other people subconsciously they're viewing it or like, what

3380
03:40:41.160 --> 03:40:42.160
if my life looks like that?

3381
03:40:42.800 --> 03:40:43.880
And they realized it doesn't.

3382
03:40:45.240 --> 03:40:51.000
Like, I don't know if you saw Carrie's, um, uh, Carrie's post, uh, this morning

3383
03:40:51.240 --> 03:40:53.960
in the rest in the five-day rest intensive about the migraines.

3384
03:40:54.320 --> 03:40:55.120
Did you see that one?

3385
03:40:55.480 --> 03:40:55.720
Okay.

3386
03:40:55.720 --> 03:40:56.360
So that's really good.

3387
03:40:56.640 --> 03:41:01.320
She had been, um, she'd had a, my, she hasn't had migraines for 10 months since

3388
03:41:01.320 --> 03:41:03.280
she started the rest intensive in April.

3389
03:41:03.520 --> 03:41:07.560
And she says that she has had migraines every two weeks, every two to four

3390
03:41:07.560 --> 03:41:12.360
weeks, um, since, uh, she was 15 years old.

3391
03:41:13.160 --> 03:41:16.120
And when she started the rest intensive for 10 months, she has not had a migraine.

3392
03:41:17.160 --> 03:41:22.160
And she says she noticed a migraine coming on, um, uh, like three days ago,

3393
03:41:22.360 --> 03:41:25.760
and it really came to a head, no pun intended, came to a head.

3394
03:41:26.560 --> 03:41:27.240
This morning.

3395
03:41:27.600 --> 03:41:30.240
And she asked, she's like, okay, I just can't see it anymore.

3396
03:41:31.000 --> 03:41:33.480
I've been talking to my soul and my body and declare it.

3397
03:41:33.480 --> 03:41:36.400
And, you know, as a good cane, telling it that it's healed and it's just not working.

3398
03:41:36.520 --> 03:41:40.880
So she asked her, her husband, um, can you go, she knew there was some area in

3399
03:41:40.880 --> 03:41:43.600
her life in which she was shifting into rest and she wasn't shifting into rest.

3400
03:41:43.640 --> 03:41:45.200
So she made a good decision.

3401
03:41:46.280 --> 03:41:49.880
She's like, okay, where is my faith that I'm, I'm trying this.

3402
03:41:49.880 --> 03:41:50.600
I'm trying that.

3403
03:41:50.800 --> 03:41:53.040
And apparently it's, it's not pushing through.

3404
03:41:53.040 --> 03:41:55.440
So where is my faith that where's my peace at?

3405
03:41:55.480 --> 03:41:59.120
And I will, there is no, therefore now no condemnation from the Lord.

3406
03:41:59.120 --> 03:42:02.200
He gives me good gifts, including in Tylenol and Advil.

3407
03:42:02.560 --> 03:42:04.360
So I'm going to declare the Lord to be that good.

3408
03:42:05.040 --> 03:42:08.080
So even though I wanted to believe this, and even though I wanted to believe this,

3409
03:42:09.200 --> 03:42:13.000
you know, uh, this is where apparently my piece of that, this is apparently the

3410
03:42:13.000 --> 03:42:14.680
level of faith that I have today.

3411
03:42:15.120 --> 03:42:17.960
So I will declare God good, that he gave me good things and I will

3412
03:42:17.960 --> 03:42:19.120
take it and thank him for it.

3413
03:42:19.560 --> 03:42:22.760
So she asked him to, she sent him for Advil and he said, honey, I'm

3414
03:42:22.760 --> 03:42:24.440
sorry, I can't find any Advil.

3415
03:42:24.840 --> 03:42:27.720
And they had two little boys at home, you know, four month old and a three year old.

3416
03:42:27.720 --> 03:42:30.960
And so, you know, he, he like can't leave the house with all of these kids, you

3417
03:42:30.960 --> 03:42:32.560
know, to go get her Tylenol and Advil.

3418
03:42:32.560 --> 03:42:33.920
And she was like, okay, what am I going to do?

3419
03:42:33.920 --> 03:42:36.840
So she's like, okay, all right, Lord, there is no Advil.

3420
03:42:37.840 --> 03:42:41.040
And so what else do, what else do I need to do?

3421
03:42:41.080 --> 03:42:45.760
So she said that the Lord told her, if you believe that you are healed, then

3422
03:42:45.760 --> 03:42:48.840
you will stand, then you will then stand up and act like you're healed.

3423
03:42:49.440 --> 03:42:55.120
And this is a big thing in healing that we do, that we have to act like we're healed.

3424
03:42:55.120 --> 03:42:56.960
I had to do it with my foot several months ago.

3425
03:42:56.960 --> 03:43:01.160
I think I posted a personal testimony about it in the Rest Intensive a few

3426
03:43:01.160 --> 03:43:03.200
months ago, back in August, maybe.

3427
03:43:03.760 --> 03:43:07.240
Oh no, I did it in the, I talked about it in the Q and A.

3428
03:43:07.640 --> 03:43:10.320
I remember the situation though with your foot.

3429
03:43:10.440 --> 03:43:10.720
Yeah.

3430
03:43:10.720 --> 03:43:11.880
Do you remember that one?

3431
03:43:12.160 --> 03:43:12.400
Okay.

3432
03:43:12.400 --> 03:43:12.600
Yeah.

3433
03:43:12.600 --> 03:43:15.680
How I talked to it and I just said, no, if you're healed, this is what we're going

3434
03:43:15.680 --> 03:43:18.720
to do, and this is, this is how we would normally access is what we're going to do.

3435
03:43:19.280 --> 03:43:21.560
And again, I'm having to grow and how I'm having to learn.

3436
03:43:21.560 --> 03:43:22.400
So it was a test.

3437
03:43:22.440 --> 03:43:25.480
I was, I was, I was trying, I was, I was making progress.

3438
03:43:25.520 --> 03:43:31.400
I wasn't leaping from zero to a hundred, but I was, I was making an effort and it

3439
03:43:31.400 --> 03:43:33.880
worked then, so she was doing the same thing.

3440
03:43:33.880 --> 03:43:37.600
She's like, okay, God, God is telling me if I, if I really am healed,

3441
03:43:37.600 --> 03:43:38.320
that I'm going to act like it.

3442
03:43:38.640 --> 03:43:41.120
So I have the faith to believe that that's what God told me.

3443
03:43:41.120 --> 03:43:42.240
So that's what I'm going to act on.

3444
03:43:42.240 --> 03:43:46.040
And so she stood up and she's like, oh, it's immediately going to be healed.

3445
03:43:46.440 --> 03:43:51.040
It wasn't so she, it just started pounding and she's like, oh my word, if I'm not

3446
03:43:51.040 --> 03:43:52.080
careful, I'm going to throw up.

3447
03:43:52.320 --> 03:43:54.200
So she's like, nope, what would I do?

3448
03:43:54.440 --> 03:43:56.040
I'm telling my butt, my soul, my body.

3449
03:43:56.040 --> 03:43:56.880
No, you are healed.

3450
03:43:56.880 --> 03:43:57.960
I'm declaring that that's true.

3451
03:43:58.000 --> 03:44:01.760
So she went and took a shower and she said her, her migraine started to dissipate.

3452
03:44:01.800 --> 03:44:03.480
It had been coming on for three days.

3453
03:44:03.760 --> 03:44:07.200
It was pounding and her migraine was going away.

3454
03:44:07.240 --> 03:44:10.600
It was pounding and her migraine was going away.

3455
03:44:11.160 --> 03:44:16.360
So when people post stuff like that, people subconsciously, she doesn't have

3456
03:44:16.360 --> 03:44:18.360
to ask them any questions in this testimony.

3457
03:44:19.880 --> 03:44:23.640
They hear that and they think, have I ever experienced that?

3458
03:44:24.000 --> 03:44:24.960
No, I haven't.

3459
03:44:25.360 --> 03:44:26.400
She has something.

3460
03:44:26.400 --> 03:44:27.680
I don't, I want it.

3461
03:44:29.200 --> 03:44:32.880
So it, so I use testimonies like that as well.

3462
03:44:33.000 --> 03:44:38.960
It's the same thing, whether I'm talking in, in, in, in, in a teaching or I I'm

3463
03:44:39.080 --> 03:44:45.680
asking people to have if you know, they have it on their hearts to give a

3464
03:44:45.680 --> 03:44:46.960
testimony, but they do that.

3465
03:44:47.800 --> 03:44:52.240
And it's the point of it is to paint a picture for people that they can see.

3466
03:44:52.240 --> 03:44:55.360
This is what life looks like for somebody else.

3467
03:44:55.520 --> 03:44:59.560
They subconsciously, they identify their own gap.

3468
03:45:00.000 --> 03:45:03.120
I don't want to identify for someone else how far away it is that they are.

3469
03:45:04.320 --> 03:45:08.240
They make that determination. I don't care how far away it is they are. All I want to know is

3470
03:45:08.240 --> 03:45:13.040
how serious they are in traversing whatever gap they have. That's all that I care about.

3471
03:45:16.160 --> 03:45:21.840
Yeah. No, honestly, that's powerful stuff. And you've given me a ton to think about,

3472
03:45:21.840 --> 03:45:27.200
which is amazing. My next challenge will probably look very different. It'll be about

3473
03:45:27.200 --> 03:45:34.320
experiencing God's love. I'm excited for you. And yeah, this has been an interesting shift.

3474
03:45:34.320 --> 03:45:39.600
And I don't have a lot of people who've gone through my program yet to give like proper

3475
03:45:39.600 --> 03:45:48.240
testimonies. So I just get to keep working on that. So yeah. So yeah. And you don't you don't

3476
03:45:48.240 --> 03:45:53.200
need that. I was just giving you that example of that's another way in which so that you could

3477
03:45:53.200 --> 03:45:57.360
kind of get my idea of what I was saying about what it looks like to present. This is what life

3478
03:45:57.360 --> 03:46:02.480
can look like. One of the ways that is through a testimony, but it didn't have to look like

3479
03:46:02.480 --> 03:46:06.560
for a testimony. That's just an idea that I was like, OK, she sees that and she's like, oh, that's

3480
03:46:06.560 --> 03:46:11.040
what it's like to like painting a picture where you're not asking someone a question, but they

3481
03:46:11.040 --> 03:46:17.600
automatically try to compare their own situation to that and wonder what's the gap? Am I there or

3482
03:46:17.600 --> 03:46:23.760
not? People will do it for themselves. So you can tell your share your own testimony. You can,

3483
03:46:24.720 --> 03:46:29.840
again, focus more on the positive than on the pain, but at least getting an idea of the pain

3484
03:46:29.840 --> 03:46:33.520
where they can see the gap that you traverse and they can see, oh, wow, someone can do it.

3485
03:46:33.520 --> 03:46:37.920
Then apparently it's possible as opposed to, oh, well, they really didn't have a reason to go.

3486
03:46:38.800 --> 03:46:44.400
And then it's also just talking about this is what this is. This is reality that someone can expect.

3487
03:46:45.360 --> 03:46:48.720
And there's different ways that you can do it. You just talk about what it talks about

3488
03:46:48.720 --> 03:46:54.960
in scripture and use it. And this is a huge deal. And so we can say that. And then

3489
03:46:56.080 --> 03:47:05.520
we can go really big deal here. When you when you talk, talk from what it is that you own

3490
03:47:05.600 --> 03:47:14.560
in your life, not what it is that you know in your head is the truth, but what you know

3491
03:47:14.560 --> 03:47:20.160
and what you walk out because that will set you apart from the crowd.

3492
03:47:22.320 --> 03:47:28.400
For instance, Amy tells me that there's a and she mentioned this the other day

3493
03:47:29.360 --> 03:47:34.640
that that there she mentioned this in the in the five day rest intensive to she said, actually,

3494
03:47:34.640 --> 03:47:40.160
I don't she and I listen to a lot of the same people. And she said, actually, I don't hear

3495
03:47:40.160 --> 03:47:46.960
anybody say it exactly the way that you do. And it's because I have to take this information that

3496
03:47:46.960 --> 03:47:51.440
that she and I've heard in other in other conferences. There are things that I talk about

3497
03:47:51.440 --> 03:47:57.440
about rest that I've never heard anywhere else. And so I'm going to take this information and

3498
03:47:57.520 --> 03:48:02.720
we're out. But there are things that I talk about, about like the foundation of how to shift

3499
03:48:02.720 --> 03:48:06.960
that we have to be aware of about our identity or body, soul, and spirit and how it operates

3500
03:48:06.960 --> 03:48:11.920
or whatever. It's kind of a platform of, okay, now that we know that, okay, how do we shift

3501
03:48:11.920 --> 03:48:17.680
interest from knowing this? Some of a lot of that stuff, some of that stuff was flushed out for me

3502
03:48:17.680 --> 03:48:22.560
on my own. But as the base and the foundation where it originally, I originally heard it

3503
03:48:22.560 --> 03:48:30.240
was from other people. It was through the Lord to my spirit through other people. And so I teach

3504
03:48:30.240 --> 03:48:35.840
the same thing that someone else taught me, or the same thing in the Bible. If you're reading the

3505
03:48:35.840 --> 03:48:38.960
Bible and you're like, there's all of this knowledge that I see. And God says, I should

3506
03:48:38.960 --> 03:48:43.200
believe this. And God says, this is true. And yes, because God said it, I obviously believe it.

3507
03:48:43.200 --> 03:48:47.520
But if your life isn't manifesting it, then it's something that you know, but not something that

3508
03:48:47.520 --> 03:48:54.000
you own when you own something. And when you talk and teach out of what it is that you've

3509
03:48:54.000 --> 03:48:59.280
owned, you live it, you stay, you literally stake your life on it. You stick your life,

3510
03:48:59.280 --> 03:49:07.040
your reputation, your marriage, the aspects in which you, you, you stake, um, your, your life

3511
03:49:07.040 --> 03:49:13.120
in those, in this particular trees, if you talk and teach out of those things, that is what will

3512
03:49:13.120 --> 03:49:19.600
transform people's lives. It's not the knowledge that you're regurgitating because you think that

3513
03:49:19.600 --> 03:49:24.480
you're supposed to believe it because God says it in the Bible, but your life doesn't reflect it yet

3514
03:49:24.480 --> 03:49:28.720
because you're, you're, you're still learning to move into those rare measures, or you heard a

3515
03:49:28.720 --> 03:49:38.800
teaching on it this past Sunday or whatever. Um, it, uh, that has made a huge difference for me.

3516
03:49:38.800 --> 03:49:50.240
That is what, um, created my, my sound and frequency in my message. That is what creates

3517
03:49:50.240 --> 03:49:55.120
the rest intensive, the rest intensive in a way don't do it. I'm not saying the rest intensive

3518
03:49:55.120 --> 03:49:59.760
is me. It is the unique way in which God's spirit in my.

3519
03:50:00.000 --> 03:50:05.400
Spirit is united, becomes its own special frequency and speaks into the earth.

3520
03:50:05.400 --> 03:50:11.280
So when I speak these truths, it's all the same truths that you're going to find that you find in the Bible.

3521
03:50:11.280 --> 03:50:20.120
This is not special to me, but because I owned it and it's in those truths are coming through my frequency instead of through your frequency,

3522
03:50:20.120 --> 03:50:24.520
they're going to sound in a particular way and they're going to impact people in a particular way.

3523
03:50:24.520 --> 03:50:30.520
Then if they heard it from you, it might be just as impactful, but it's going to be different.

3524
03:50:30.520 --> 03:50:35.720
So give them that. That is what will make your program transformative.

3525
03:50:35.720 --> 03:50:41.440
It's not just that it's you. It's it's not in a way.

3526
03:50:41.440 --> 03:50:47.320
The way to think of it is because you are partnering with the Lord in giving this to people.

3527
03:50:47.880 --> 03:50:54.800
The fact that God wants to use you instead of speaking directly to their spirits without even being exposed to your program,

3528
03:50:54.800 --> 03:51:04.000
the fact that he brought your program in to partner with them means that there's a way in which he desired to impact and talk to those other people through yours

3529
03:51:04.000 --> 03:51:11.720
and his spirits uniting and having a unique frequency as opposed to his frequency alone just to them.

3530
03:51:11.720 --> 03:51:19.880
So, in other words, your participation and what it is that you've owned and how your frequency speaks that message,

3531
03:51:19.880 --> 03:51:31.320
what it is that you believe about it and the two of you operate from, take that truth and manifest it from the spirit into creation is what will make,

3532
03:51:31.320 --> 03:51:38.080
is what God intends by having brought them into your path to make the difference in their lives.

3533
03:51:38.080 --> 03:52:01.000
So don't discount, discredit or or stifle, ignore your ownership of the information because your ownership of that truth is what will impact other people.

3534
03:52:01.000 --> 03:52:07.000
That is the sound that they're going to hear that brings life because you are a life giving spirit.

3535
03:52:07.960 --> 03:52:13.160
What does God say about the words? He says his words, he said they're living words.

3536
03:52:13.360 --> 03:52:20.960
God wants you to speak his living words because you're the life giving spirit, not dead words that are just words that you read.

3537
03:52:21.360 --> 03:52:23.440
OK, think about the things in the New Testament.

3538
03:52:23.440 --> 03:52:28.520
Those are words about how wonderful and great all of these things are that we can receive from the Lord.

3539
03:52:29.200 --> 03:52:33.320
The law, if we look at the Old Testament, the Old Testament is full of words, too.

3540
03:52:34.400 --> 03:52:42.440
But it brought forth the law, even though it's holy, brought forth, caused death in the hearer.

3541
03:52:43.680 --> 03:52:54.240
While the words that are that from the from the New Covenant are words, both are words from God, God is the one who spoke the Ten Commandments.

3542
03:52:55.240 --> 03:52:58.120
And God speaks the words that come out of the New Covenant.

3543
03:52:58.640 --> 03:53:05.240
But the thing is, so in other words, the point is, it's not just repeating words to someone else.

3544
03:53:05.240 --> 03:53:07.760
It's not simply repeating truth that's important.

3545
03:53:08.240 --> 03:53:19.800
It's the fact that it has to have it that it's it's the fact that the words are are living and breathing from God and you have to keep them living and breathing.

3546
03:53:20.280 --> 03:53:25.120
They come from God to you and you spread that life giving spirit.

3547
03:53:25.280 --> 03:53:30.920
You're not reading words out of the Old or the New Testament, even the New Testament, and then speaking them.

3548
03:53:32.000 --> 03:53:43.320
You, your life giving spirit funnels that funnels the fact that they are living words from God that haven't even been verbalized or written out in English or in any other language.

3549
03:53:43.800 --> 03:53:49.840
And you and you and you own it and project that through your life giving spirit and that is what will impact other people in your program.

3550
03:53:50.520 --> 03:53:53.680
It's not regurgitating the Bible and phrasing it in a different way.

3551
03:53:54.760 --> 03:53:59.840
It's your life giving spirit that is expressing living words that have never even hit a hit a

3552
03:54:02.120 --> 03:54:04.880
A written or spoken language.

3553
03:54:08.240 --> 03:54:09.360
Words are spirit.

3554
03:54:10.360 --> 03:54:16.560
And words existed before there was language because God spoke creation into being before he ever created language.

3555
03:54:19.680 --> 03:54:20.160
Wow.

3556
03:54:20.680 --> 03:54:35.560
Yeah, where does spirit that is that is what created and that is what still creates that is how how that's the impact that you're having you are part of your manifestation of spirit into the earth is creating by using words and it's not your spoken words.

3557
03:54:36.560 --> 03:54:44.600
And just like it's God's it's not God's spoken words to you. It's an expression of himself that he's pouring into you that it what he calls word.

3558
03:54:45.920 --> 03:54:53.480
And you are putting that out into other people in your word is hitting other in your words are hitting other people that you don't even talk to

3559
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Because word has absolutely nothing to do with language and nothing that comes out of our mouth. It can man.

3560
03:55:00.000 --> 03:55:15.120
The best that is one of the ways in which words manifest into the earth is through spoken word. But that's why. So anyway, that's my point when God taught. I just wanted to highlight the point, the importance of the fact that God talks about things being

3561
03:55:18.760 --> 03:55:20.760
Write this down because you're very visual and so

3562
03:55:21.760 --> 03:55:35.760
You maybe remember this living word living. It's not words living words. It's very, very, very powerful and it's more than just more than just spoken. So anyway,

3563
03:55:37.760 --> 03:55:47.760
So that's, that's the background of why I highly recommend that you own you speak and you teach from what you live.

3564
03:55:47.760 --> 03:55:50.760
Not what you think would be helpful to someone else.

3565
03:55:51.760 --> 03:55:55.760
They can go read the Bible. God sent him to your program because they needed you.

3566
03:55:59.760 --> 03:56:14.760
Yeah, now it's about like actually living that out and like putting it into practice, which this is a lot of the stuff that you teach me is like pretty new kind of concept for me. So yeah, it's really interesting to

3567
03:56:14.760 --> 03:56:17.760
Just like reflect on all of this and

3568
03:56:19.760 --> 03:56:22.760
It's, it gives me so much to think about. I love it. Thank you.

3569
03:56:23.760 --> 03:56:28.760
You're welcome. I'm sorry. Yeah, we've been talking for three hours. So kudos to you.

3570
03:56:30.760 --> 03:56:31.760
Like overload.

3571
03:56:32.760 --> 03:56:40.760
You are such a help and I took lots of notes and yeah, this has been awesome. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And

3572
03:56:41.760 --> 03:56:45.760
Yeah, have a have a great night and a great weekend and

3573
03:56:46.760 --> 03:56:47.760
Things

3574
03:56:47.760 --> 03:56:48.760
A couple hours.

3575
03:56:49.760 --> 03:56:50.760
I

3576
03:56:50.760 --> 03:56:59.760
Yeah, like, I hope we can still continue to do calls. I don't know what it will look like yet on your end, but I, I have the intention that I'd still like to

3577
03:57:00.760 --> 03:57:08.760
You know, work with you and all of that. So we'll just kind of see whatever the Lord reveals to you and that you reveal to us and then we'll go from there.

3578
03:57:09.760 --> 03:57:11.760
Okay. All right. Well, sounds good.

3579
03:57:11.760 --> 03:57:15.760
All right. Well, thank you so much. And yeah, we'll be in touch soon. I'm sure.

3580
03:57:16.760 --> 03:57:18.760
Sounds good. Talk to you later. Alana.

3581
03:57:19.760 --> 03:57:20.760
Thanks for your time.

3582
03:57:20.760 --> 03:57:22.760
You too. Bye.