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How are you?

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I'm doing pretty good. Pretty good.

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Good. I'm excited to be with you guys today.

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Hello. Hello.

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I'm excited to be with you guys.

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Good.

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I just sold my.

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You know,

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I went to the dealer to see what they would give me for it.

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Cut a deal.

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You know, whenever you go to a dealership, it's like, Oh man.

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I never paperwork and paperwork.

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Yeah. It's never, you always think, okay, it's almost done.

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And then they bring out more.

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Right.

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Yeah. And they always give you a price, you know,

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Looking off your $1,950.

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I mean, 19,050.

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I don't know. I don't remember.

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Yeah.

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They came back with 21,000 and something.

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You know how they play that game.

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Oh, yeah.

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Did it when you bought a truck,

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but I didn't know they did it when you sold the truck.

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Oh, I bet. Yeah. No, we just bought a minivan.

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I'm living my in my minivan era.

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So we just had to recently do that.

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And the grace and mercy to me was like,

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Bruce did a lot of the stuff and then I just had to come and sign it.

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It was still like an hour long of stuff,

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but I was like, I'm going to do it.

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I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

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I'm going to do it.

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I empathize with all of that.

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For sure.

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Well, I still had to write a check for a couple of grand.

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Cause I had more on it than they gave me, but.

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It still worked.

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Yeah. Yeah. The truck is gone. So that's.

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What I wanted.

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Yeah, that's good.

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All right. It's a, just a minute pass.

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Yeah.

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I've been in the minivan stage. It's great.

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Minivans are life-changing.

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Why have I waited this long?

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I mean, oh yes.

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I was so resistant.

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And then I realized I want to do all the things and all the things

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includes a minivan era.

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It does.

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It does.

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I'm good. I had a couple things.

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I'm doing well.

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Good. Good.

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Is there something on the horizon for you that you're really excited

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about when it comes to your business?

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Well, yes, but it has nothing to do with this stuff. I just,

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I just purchased a piece of equipment that I'm very excited about.

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Okay.

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And I'm so excited about it. I just got off of a call to.

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Learn how to use it. So I'm so excited about it.

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And I think it's going to be, I mean,

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you can use it for all different kinds of things for emotional

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healing, for physical stuff.

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For just healing from traumas and stuff like that.

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I'm excited about it. I'm excited about it. I'm excited about it.

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And I'm excited about it.

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I've been using it for years and years and years.

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And I finally got it.

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That's huge. That's amazing.

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That's an amazing one.

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So I've done some work with Holly.

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I've been a client of Holly and really believe in what she does,

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because this is a son of God.

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Daughter of God, son of God. I say son of God for both male and female,

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but this is a son of God who is partnering with creation.

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Like we talked about last time I was here about how, you know,

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the glory in us is being revealed.

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And we're not afraid to partner with the tools that are embedded in

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creation.

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And we're not afraid to partner with the tools that are embedded in

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creation.

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Because God doesn't give us purpose. We give purpose to creation.

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So this is a son of God who is unafraid to partner with the tools that

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are embedded within creation, things like sound and vibration and energy.

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And that sounds very woo woo to people. And unfortunately,

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I think religion.

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Has cut us off and blocked us to the tools that God has embedded in

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creation for.

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Our enjoyment.

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Well said.

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Well, I'm, you know, I'm someone that, you know, exactly.

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You're saying, can you share the link?

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I'm someone that's experienced being able to work with you,

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which has been awesome. And I understand the, the,

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the hesitancy people have, because unfortunately.

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Those who are pre-Christians who are spiritual seekers are very open to

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this type of stuff, but it's not.

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Centered in Christ.

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Holly is someone who's centered in Christ.

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So it's done in a safe way and it's done in a correct way.

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But so many people right now who are seeking things spiritually,

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They're seeking it outside of Christ.

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You know, Jesus talks about those who jumped the gate.

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They don't, they don't, they don't, they jumped the fence.

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They don't go through the gate, which is Christ.

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So they're experiencing some of the benefits of partnering with some

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biblical principles, but because Christ is absent from their work,

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it still leads to death.

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It still leads to frustration.

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But we know when we go through the gate of Jesus, it leads to life and life abundantly.

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And so Holly is doing that.

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And she's working with a lot of people who are not necessarily, they're pre-Christians themselves,

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who are searching for answers, who are stuck in things like trauma and burnout and, you know, frustration,

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as Romans 8 would call it.

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And how cool that instead of them coming through, you know, through some like new age, whatever, you know,

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they're coming to Holly, a son of God, who's going to lead them to Christ, which is super cool.

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So what a mission field. That's awesome.

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Amen. And I would share the link.

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That's another issue I'm having is that I don't have a website right now.

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And I know Bruce said we don't need a website, but I kind of do because of this.

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Like people are going to read about it.

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So I'm not really sure what to do about that.

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You probably would need, and we can talk, and this is something maybe not on this call,

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but on a coaching call or offline is a landing page.

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I mean, on a full website, but a page that's kind of the salesperson, if you will,

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the digital salesperson for this treatment.

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That's what I need.

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So I looked into a couple because I have active campaign, which is like an email thing,

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and that works, but I'm on the basic plan and it doesn't include landing pages.

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And to bump up to the next one, it's like $50 a month, and I didn't want to jump up to that.

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So is there another way to do a landing page without paying $50 a month for it?

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Potentially.

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The thing with free anything is there's always going to be lack of ownership,

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like even just meaning like your ability to do certain things.

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So depending on what you're wanting to do, something free or low cost could definitely still work.

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But, Macy, can you make a note of that?

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Holly, because I know Bruce has like a list of resources for building landing pages.

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We'll get that to you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That would be very helpful.

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Thank you.

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And I see Cindy has jumped on the call.

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And, Cindy, if you're able to unmute, Macy was bragging on you right before our call.

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So, Macy, you can fill in some of the blanks.

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But I would really like, Cindy, I want to hear kind of what the last week or two has been for you

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because it sounds like there's been some discovery and some ahas and things like that around your who.

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You want to go first, Macy?

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You go right ahead.

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Well, for one thing, I found out while I was knowing my who, well, I should say,

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I've been feeling the stirring in my heart for five years that my who is Gen Z, even though I'm a grandma.

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That just is mind blowing for me.

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Then I find out with working with Macy that she's a Gen Z.

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So she's answering all these questions in our work session from that perspective.

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So it was so incredibly helpful.

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And I think my favorite comment she said was that they have the attention span of a goldfish.

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I have the attention span of, like, an elephant.

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Like, I could spend hours learning and, you know, whatever.

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So that is altering for me as well.

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So she's been incredibly helpful.

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And then last week she just randomly says, hey, have you got TikTok on your phone?

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I'm like, yeah.

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She goes, well, click all these buttons.

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And I've never looked at my analytics.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if you remember, but I was in your TikTok class three years ago.

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Oh, I remember.

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Yeah.

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I posted ten videos.

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They sat for three years.

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I just started reposting.

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I have a friend that's helping me and posted a couple videos.

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And one was just an intro video.

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So Macy's like, well, let's look at the analytics.

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And I'm like, okay.

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Just thinking it was just analytics.

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And all of a sudden she took me right to the area where it shows the age.

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And I had no idea what she was doing.

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I was like, oh, my gosh.

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I'm so sorry.

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That watched that first video.

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And there was like 700, over 700 views.

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Was 17 to 24-year-olds.

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And I was just like shocked.

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Absolutely shocked.

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There's some confirmation.

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It's literally like confirmation.

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And I'm kind of a numbers girl because I'm a bookkeeper.

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But I thought it was interesting that I got 62%.

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Gen Z and I'm 62 years old.

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And I just thought that was funny.

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As I'm watching.

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God is so fun.

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God does things with numbers and dates with me.

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And he always has.

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And I think that was just his way of saying.

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That's awesome.

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I told you.

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I'm just super excited about that.

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How she nonchalantly just brought me in there thinking.

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good. I was just being learning how to see the analytics and it

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was so cute how she just, well, look at that.

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It's it's a new you mentioned, Cindy, like, oh, I've never

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really looked at the analytics, like, to me looking at the

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analytics feels at times like facing the fire. I don't really

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want to do it. But it can be really telling, right? It can be

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telling, like, Hey, are we on track? Yeah, what we think we're

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doing? Or it can even just serve as a confirmation of like, Oh,

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wow, like, yeah, I wasn't expecting but yeah, okay, like,

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there's

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the likes, but I've never paid attention or figured out how to

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look at the analytics. And so it was just it was really cute how

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she did.

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And I bet if anyone else is like on tick tock, and you're like,

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Oh, I need a little bit of a tutorial to look at the

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analytics. Like I'm sure Macy could do like a little screen

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share, you could throw it in the pioneers group. Yeah. Because I

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think it would be good for everyone to benefit from just

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being able to look behind the

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curtain, if you will, of your accounts and just see, look at

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those demographics. You can also tell things like which posts are

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doing, you know, better than others. And that can give you

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some ideas for more content or things like that. So it is

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always very helpful. Yeah, Holly saying yes, please. I want that

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too. Very helpful. It always feels a little bit for most

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people, not all people. But for most people, if you're wired,

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like me and Cindy, like, Oh, I kind of don't want to do that.

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I'd rather not know. But it is like, you know, it's important

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sometimes to face the fire and see like, what's okay, what's

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going on so that we can either pivot if we need to, or it

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furthers confirms we can do more of what we were doing, because

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it's working. And we're not

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one more thing. I'm also posting the same stuff on Instagram. And

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hardly getting any engagement. Yeah. So tick tock is really

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where I think my who is,

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well, I would I would, I would say that's probably accurate,

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especially for who is Gen Z. Yeah, there's a and I'm doing

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YouTube as well. But I've only got one video on there. So. So

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but I'm growing. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that's, we

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like, if you're gonna go ahead and put the work in to do the

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content, you might as well just cross post it. Yeah, see what's

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working. And sometimes there has to be some, you know, pivoting

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because not everything that works on Tick Tock might work on

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Facebook, for instance, or something like that. But

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especially with our short format content, it's still you know,

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there's still YouTube shorts, there's still Instagram reels.

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couple years ago, Cindy, when you were jumping on Tick Tock

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for the first time, you don't have to do it all. But maybe

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multiply the effect a little bit and diversify the platforms that

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you are on so that you're all your eggs aren't in necessarily

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one basket, but knowing you kind of will know like, okay, there's

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one that's standing out from the other for you. It's Tick Tock.

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Yeah, for someone else, it could be YouTube. And I'm really

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grateful that I put my stuff on YouTube, because I feel like

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even, you know, after taking my hands off the steering wheel,

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like as far as like, publishing stuff, a couple years ago, I'm

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still getting hits and stuff on YouTube, it's more of a

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lossless. So I so I would my advice to anyone, if you're

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going to pick to like, make sure YouTube is one of them. Yeah,

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because it's still pretty good about serving up content even

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years later, because it's looking at the algorithm, and

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it's more topical base than date based, like, oh, well,

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this was posted a few years ago. Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you

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for sharing, Cindy. So what did Macy say? That's what she said.

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me. She and I'm sure you're okay, if I share this a little

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bit, because it's a safe place, Cindy, but she was sharing how

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there was a little bit of discouragement, because you felt

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like you had the word five years ago from the Lord, to go ahead

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and do this. And you're kind of having to pick it back up again

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after a sabbatical from it, which I'm sure many of us can

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relate to, at some point having to, you know, take a break or

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not not work it not go as fast as we would like to, and picking

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it back up again. And you had that confirmation from the Lord

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that like, he held it. Yeah, he did. He held it. He really did.

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word from the Lord for me when I when I took a took a step back

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from regular publishing that he would hold it. And he will.

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That's awesome. Thank you. I want to talk a little bit more.

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And I would hopefully I you know, I felt like last time I

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talked a lot at you. I appreciate your letting me take

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up the whole call and just teach. I hope that we can have a

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little bit of dialogue today. On this topic of toil, I want to

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talk a little bit more about it. Because I want to I just this

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thing continues to stir in me, especially as an entrepreneur

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myself as a business leader, as someone who is really feeling

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called to continue to engage technology, and the digital

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landscape to disciple nations that we have to think about work

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differently. And the purpose of work because

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There's a lot of talk right now about toil and rest, at least in my world, in my bubbles,

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there's a lot of talk about that. But there's still some, I would think, I think people are

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still having a hard time telling the difference between what rest really is, that it's not an

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event, but it's a lifestyle that we're called into. And if that's the case, then how do we

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work in rest? And just even re-engaging with a positive perspective on work itself,

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I think is important. Going back to the garden, that the most pleasurable place that God first

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created still had work in it. And it was a way of God communing and partnering with Adam and Eve.

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But what happened was the curse was not the hard work or the effort or the productivity,

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it was when toil entered into that work. And when toil attached itself to our lifestyle,

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that work was a part of when things went really south. And so just a quick definition,

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and I know that I'm working with all, everyone's mature here, so I don't think I have to do a

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super deep dive on, okay, this is the Greek and all of that stuff. But I do want you to study

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out for yourself. So if there's something that the Spirit's resonating, make sure you take note

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and always bring it back to the group if you find something interesting yourself,

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because I think that this is a continuous conversation and will be a continual conversation

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as we're entering into even a new era, as far as being the church, the body, and every sphere of

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influence and what that's going to look like. But toil is really characterized by doing things in

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your own strength, the sweat of your own brow. And rest is about trust, it's about dependency

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on God's power and grace, knowing that He's the one who is working in us and through us.

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And a way I like to think about it, because so often we talk about, oh yeah, like, you know,

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the Lord is my provider. He is, but He's also the provision. I feel like it's one step deeper.

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image attached that it's something outside of ourselves, it's something external that we have

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to grab for. It's a fruit, if you will, that we have to grab off the tree and partake of,

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but He is the provision itself. He says in 2 Corinthians 12, 9, my grace is sufficient for

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you. My power is made for you. When Jesus said, come to me, those who are weary and burdened. And

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He says, I will give you rest. And then He says, take my yoke upon you and learn from me because

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I'm gentle and humble at heart. So it's not going to crush you. You'll find rest for your souls.

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And He says, my yoke is easy. My burden is light. And it's so interesting that even in what I would

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consider one of the crown jewels of rest scripture, people use that often for Jesus, when you're

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weary and you're loaded down, but there's still a work element attached to that. There's still

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some work language attached, which is a yoke, which back in the day that Jesus was saying this,

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people would have understood a yoke to be attached to something of partnership and of work, right?

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And so it's not that there's an absence of work now in a place of rest, but there is a presence

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of peace in you while you work. And so I would think that those were kind of how we can

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differentiate toil and rest. Those are the two things. Am I doing this by the sweat of my own

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brow or am I doing that, which is the self-dependency or am I doing this in partnership with the Lord

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and being dependent on Him to be not just my provider, but the provision itself. Him being

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the reward. So often we go into a project and we're very obsessed about the outcome of that

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project. And we don't just rate the success of the project on the outcome. We usually rate the

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success of ourselves on the outcome of that project. Does that resonate? So if this works out

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and it's amazing, then I'm amazing. But if it doesn't work out the way I expected or it fails

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completely, then I am not amazing or I am a failure. We begin to identify with an outcome

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versus finding joy in the journey with the Lord and the trusting Him while we're producing

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the project. Has anyone done that before? I have put my identity in,

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rested all my identity into the outcome of a project and have felt like an utter failure

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when it didn't work out the way that I was hoping or things were delayed or my expectations

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were not met or someone did far exceedingly abundantly better than me. So then there's

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comparison game, all those things. So that's why it's important that we place our dependency on

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the Lord Himself and everything else flows from that dependency. So let's talk a little bit too

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alt, and then I want to hear from you guys as well. How do we know? How do we know if toil has

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attached itself to our work? I know what toil is, but how do I know if it's attached attached itself

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to my work? And I'm sure there's maybe many different factors and I would love to hear from

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you guys as well if you're like, oh this is this is a gauge that I've used in the past, but I think

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like I want to simplify it because sometimes when things are hard they feel complex and then we

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don't really kind of know, we get confused. The question I always ask myself to be able to tell

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if toil's attached itself to my work is, is anxiety present? Because anxiety is a feeling, yes, but

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it's a feeling that's rooted in a belief. So anxiety and I would say fear is very, you know,

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we use we use different words, but I think fear would be kind of the biblical language

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that a lot of us understand. Fear, yes, it's a feeling that we can feel in the depths of our soul

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on emotional level, but we can also feel it physically. So this is where people get a little

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bit confused because fear is a belief that then informs our entire being. So we, you know, the

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sweaty palms, the jitters, the, you know, our nervous system not regulated, the pit in our

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stomach, the nausea, the hammering in our chest, the heaviness, all of those things.

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We think, oh my gosh, like it's a part of me. Sometimes it feels that way, it's a part of me,

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but really it's a belief that can inform our entire being and then we feel it.

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It's just an indicator that we're working from a place of toil because I believe that what fear

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actually is, is it's a belief and it's specifically a belief around regarding our well-being.

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Am I safe? Am I good? So that's why I think the fear of the Lord is so important

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because it doesn't mean we're afraid of God. It means that we believe that we are,

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that our well-being is secure in him.

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it's informing our entire being and it's meaning often that there's toil attached to what we're

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doing. I'm doing this by the sweat of my own brow and we're starting to feel the need to

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prove ourselves. That's where we get stuck in the outcome of things. It's not that outcomes

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are not important, but they're not primary. It's not the primary thing, whereas rest is producing

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an inner peace and confidence in us despite what's going on because it's rooted in who we are

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and who God is. Those things are actually pretty unshakable. They're very unshakable.

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You think, well, I feel like I'm pretty shakable. I've been shaken up. Yes, Robin?

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I kind of agree, but I have a little bit of a different reaction to toil.

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I grew up in the era of if it is to be, it's up to me and positive thinking and Tony Robbins and

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Zig Ziglar and all those kind of guys. So when I go out there and I'm doing stuff,

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I just have a lot of energy and the glass is half full and I keep pushing and pushing and driving

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and driving and driving. A lot of times it works, but sometimes I sit back and I don't get

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the result of all my work. In other words, I worked really, really, really hard to get somewhere

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and then I didn't quite get there or I ended up falling short. I get to a point where it's like

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I get up and go, got up and went. It's just like, ah, this isn't fun anymore. I don't mind

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going out and working. It's joy when I'm going out and doing something and producing something,

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but if it just feels like I'm dragging a load behind me all the time, it does wear me out.

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I have trouble making the transition from if it is to be, it's up to me to, hey, let's just rest

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on the Lord, put everything on him. We go out and do our part, but it just doesn't motivate me,

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I guess, to go out and do it or something. I don't know. I'm trying to verbalize something,

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being a little transparent here about how I...

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react to work and toil, because I think work is great. If it's fun, I love going out and like

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building a tiny house or, yeah, it's fun, you know, it's work. And I, and I hit myself with a

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hammer or I shoot myself in the knuckle with a nail gun or something like that. And it hurts,

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but it's still good at the end of the day. You know what I mean?

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Oh, yeah. No, and I'm so glad you brought this up, because everyone's motivated differently.

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But I would think a lot of people on this call like work, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

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So I'm really glad you brought that up. Yeah. So, and just because it's hard doesn't mean it's bad.

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Like I, I believe we were designed for hard work. Like neurologically there's, you know,

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dopamine and things that are released when we do hard things and there's achievement. Like the

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Lord created us for that. So this is just because it's hard just because there's effort. I think

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this is why I wanted to have the conversation because sometimes people confused rest with

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inactivity and they think, well, it's just, if it's meant to be, it's just going to be,

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if it's of God, it's going to be effortless. And that's not true. That's not true. But I see what

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you're saying, Robin, you're saying the motivation wanes when there's not results, when there's no

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longer the results of that hard work, when it feels like I've done the hard work, but I haven't

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gotten the results that I wanted. And that's what I was trying to get at in the kind of the beginning

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of the talk. Whereas we have to, we have to detach ourselves first from that outcome, which

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feels very counterintuitive to any worldly wisdom. Right. Because it's like, well, if it's a good

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thing, it's going to produce really amazing results. But how many of us have sown seeds

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into something and then haven't reaped a harvest till years later? Like, not like your garden,

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but like, yeah. So like, there's things that you've started, Cindy, like talking about like

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five years ago, I started this. It kind of felt like a bust because I take my hands off the wheel

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for a little bit. I'm picking it back up and I'm realizing, oh, I actually reached the people I was

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trying to reach all along. And it's something I can pick up and continue on. And, and Cindy,

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I don't know, you know, all that's happened over the last five years, but I bet there was a lot

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that happened within you and within your relationship with the Lord in the fact in the

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last five years, a lot of growth. And so, yeah. So Robin, it's like, what do we do

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when the motivation wanes? Because we feel now like I've tried all these different things and

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it's not working. And I'm feeling like I'm starting to identify. I think that's what happens,

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even if we're not conscious of it. We start to identify with the failure of, okay, is it me?

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Am I just, is it, am I missing something that like kind of fear missing out? Am I missing

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something? Am I missing God, you know, to use church language? Here's where I'm at. I can only

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share from my personal journey. I've had to get to the place of such deep dependency on the Lord

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that I'm trusting him right now, that even if I'm missing it, he'll cover me.

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Because he's that good. And it feels irresponsible. And how I know it, how I can kind of

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keep myself in line, if you will, I think mentorship is really important. I don't think

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this is an isolated journey. I think that's when things get really weird when it's just us and

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Jesus and we're not having feedback. So I'm submitting this actively to trusted people

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who are speaking into my life, right? So that's important. But also my, there's a purity of heart

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where I'm not like trying to act out on purpose, right? I'm not trying to like just be lazy.

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There's a very specific something that I'm now putting my hand to a different plow, a different

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field, if you will, in this season. But it doesn't mean that, you know, so anyway, I don't want to

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talk too much, but Robin, is there more to what you wanted? Is that helping kind of bring some

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clarity? Or are you still very confused? Because I think this is a really important conversation.

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No, I think that's, that's right, right on the challenges. You know, you feel like you heard

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something from God, like, Cindy heard something from God, like, I felt like I heard something

447
00:29:11.040 --> 00:29:18.320
from God. And so I go out and I try to do that thing. And it doesn't work. And so it's like,

448
00:29:18.320 --> 00:29:25.360
okay, did I not hear you? Is the timing wrong? You know? And so now what do I do? I'm like, okay,

449
00:29:25.520 --> 00:29:31.280
and so now what do I do? I'm like, okay, now what do I do? I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

450
00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:38.240
rest in you. I'm gonna trust you. But I got to do something, you know, whatsoever the hand finds to

451
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:42.880
do, do it with all your might. You know, I got to do something. I can't just sit around here.

452
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:49.200
And so just tell me which way to run and I'll go. Yeah. So this is, this is important too,

453
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.280
because it's kind of we get to a fork in the road a little bit when it comes to

454
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.960
walking by what, by the word, which is what we're supposed to be doing. So God said,

455
00:29:58.960 --> 00:29:59.680
which is interesting.

456
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.080
Interesting you bring that up because going back to like when toil entered the

457
00:30:04.080 --> 00:30:08.720
question was did God really say so I think it's important to like grapple

458
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:14.720
with that a little bit that when we go out on a faith journey based on a word

459
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.880
from the Lord and things aren't things don't go the way we think they're gonna

460
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:23.600
go kind of the first question in our minds is did God really say and it

461
00:30:23.600 --> 00:30:27.640
manifests in different ways meaning it's not always we're saying that like oh did

462
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.840
God really say but it's like did I hear correctly that's sometimes what we say

463
00:30:30.840 --> 00:30:38.720
or think did I hear correctly did I miss something did I not do it right and I

464
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:47.840
feel like that toil that fear that anxiety has to be eradicated in our

465
00:30:47.840 --> 00:30:55.640
lives for us to enter into full rest because we're always bringing it back to

466
00:30:55.640 --> 00:31:02.600
a question of did he say or did I hear correctly and the enemy likes to use

467
00:31:02.600 --> 00:31:08.480
that to work a wedge in into our relationship and connection with the

468
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:15.080
Lord he can't there is no separation right but it's about perspective so the

469
00:31:15.080 --> 00:31:19.320
enemy can't separate us from what we're in Christ we're in Christ he can't

470
00:31:19.320 --> 00:31:23.440
separate us from Christ but our thoughts can sometimes build a perspective in us

471
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:28.280
that we feel separated and that we live separated so what I'm hearing from you

472
00:31:28.280 --> 00:31:31.360
Robin and I don't want to put words in your mouth I just I can so relate so I

473
00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:34.160
have a lot of compassion for this because like this has been the last 38

474
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:40.600
years of my life right you know did God really say did I hear correctly this

475
00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:44.400
wasn't what I expected and I'm at a place in my walk with the Lord where I'm

476
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:50.680
having to eradicate that like not even have that conversation in order to live

477
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:58.720
in a place of total trust and dependency on him if if I'm wrong the

478
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:04.360
Lord will make sure because he's a good dad which some of us don't know what

479
00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:11.120
that's like here on earth we don't know what it's like to be corrected in a

480
00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:16.360
gentle way so we're used to like being hit over the head if we get it wrong or

481
00:32:16.360 --> 00:32:19.360
we make one mistake I don't know if that was your experience Robin I'm not saying

482
00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:22.160
it was your experience I'm saying this is what some people these people grapple

483
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:28.520
with like being led by a father they don't have that in their natural family

484
00:32:28.520 --> 00:32:34.600
so they struggle to trust that the Lord will be actually good to them if they

485
00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:40.640
quote-unquote miss it so we obsess in our journey with the Lord about missing

486
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:46.240
it which is toil because it's a it's a self-obsession of like I didn't hear

487
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.480
right I didn't do right I'm missing out and we miss out on the beauty and the

488
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:55.400
pleasure of the journey with the Lord and the growth he has for us and that's

489
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.160
that's where I'm that's where I'm growing in right now quite rapidly

490
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:05.400
because I've had to be this is something that had to be confronted in me you the

491
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.320
Lord said Linds you you don't trust me to cover you you're treating me as

492
00:33:10.320 --> 00:33:16.640
something outside of yourself a provider that you have to hone in on and

493
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:24.400
grab a hold of and pick fruit from versus living as one on a journey

494
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.560
together and enjoying the pace of peace

495
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:37.360
well I think another thing happened in my life up until just a few years ago I

496
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:43.920
was raising a family I was you know struggling to make ends meet and working

497
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:48.000
long hours and try to have a home life too and you know it's just striving

498
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:53.280
striving and I got into this driving mode of just striving for success

499
00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:59.440
whatever that means and then all of a sudden back in 2015 my rental houses

500
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:03.560
mortgages started getting paid off and now I'm looking I was looking at my life

501
00:34:03.560 --> 00:34:08.199
and I said well I got a new car I got a nice house Bonnie's got a new car I got

502
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.360
money coming in I don't need anything now what's gonna motivate me because I

503
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:20.000
was motivated out of survival and now I'm not in survival mode and so that's

504
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.280
kind of what I'm I'm struggling with right now yeah and and I really

505
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.800
appreciate you Robin for being vulnerable and just sharing where you're

506
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:31.840
at like there's no condemnation there's no shame and just being on that journey

507
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.440
with the Lord I can definitely relate I'm sure there's others on the call that

508
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:40.159
can relate to that as well I personally think motivation is a poor master

509
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.600
because it only takes you so far and it always runs out it's not an unlimited

510
00:34:45.600 --> 00:34:50.120
resource so this is why we go to the conferences and we get like super revved

511
00:34:50.120 --> 00:34:53.600
up you mentioned like Tony Robbins and Zig Ziglar and you know you have

512
00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:57.680
conferences and you're like I feel amazing I'm gonna change the world and

513
00:34:57.680 --> 00:35:01.960
then you and you go and Monday

514
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:06.680
And it's like, wait, what did we talk about where, you know, where'd those notes go?

515
00:35:06.680 --> 00:35:09.880
That's kind of an extreme example, but it's a, it's a relatable one, right?

516
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:10.880
Like we've done that at church services.

517
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.720
We've done that on Sunday mornings where it's like, you know, oh, you know, I'm, I'm so

518
00:35:14.720 --> 00:35:15.720
revved up.

519
00:35:15.720 --> 00:35:17.600
I'm going to talk to that cousin that doesn't know Christ.

520
00:35:17.600 --> 00:35:20.200
You know, we're sitting in the pew on Sunday and they're talking about evangelism.

521
00:35:20.200 --> 00:35:21.920
You're like, yes, I'm going to do it.

522
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.600
I'm going to call Steve.

523
00:35:23.600 --> 00:35:27.920
And then you go to lunch and you're now you're a little tired and you don't have the words

524
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:29.960
And you're like, oh, maybe I'll do it next week sometime.

525
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.800
You know, like that's, to me, that's motivation in a lot of ways.

526
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.640
So like, there's a lot of different motivators for us.

527
00:35:34.640 --> 00:35:36.400
Like you mentioned survival.

528
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:41.000
That's a, that's a big one that I think a lot of people are fueled by.

529
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:42.000
Like I got to survive.

530
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.040
My family has to eat.

531
00:35:43.040 --> 00:35:44.720
Like I got to make money, right?

532
00:35:44.720 --> 00:35:45.720
Like all those things.

533
00:35:45.720 --> 00:35:46.720
They're not bad.

534
00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:48.100
It's not, it's not bad.

535
00:35:48.100 --> 00:35:51.520
It's just a poor master because it will run out.

536
00:35:51.520 --> 00:35:59.760
And so I'm talking about a pivot of heart, like a new posture of finding our fuel.

537
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:03.080
Cause again, we're talking about a lifestyle here.

538
00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:06.360
We're talking about being sustained.

539
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.640
Who is our sustainer?

540
00:36:09.640 --> 00:36:11.280
Where are we finding that fuel from?

541
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.040
And it has to be, it can't be motivation.

542
00:36:14.040 --> 00:36:17.080
It can't be survival.

543
00:36:17.080 --> 00:36:21.560
And it can't even be something that feels holy and responsible.

544
00:36:21.560 --> 00:36:24.840
Like my motivation is my family has to eat food.

545
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:25.840
That's a good one.

546
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.680
And I think, you know, people need to be attuned to that.

547
00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:34.680
It just can't be the source of, it's not the life giving source.

548
00:36:34.680 --> 00:36:36.460
It will run out.

549
00:36:36.460 --> 00:36:43.040
And so for me, trust, which rest is trust, trust is rest.

550
00:36:43.040 --> 00:36:48.720
That is like the bread in which we live off of.

551
00:36:48.720 --> 00:36:53.560
We're eating from that bread of life, Christ himself.

552
00:36:53.560 --> 00:36:54.600
He is our source.

553
00:36:54.600 --> 00:37:00.160
He's our sustainer in all things.

554
00:37:00.160 --> 00:37:02.040
Anybody else want to add to the conversation?

555
00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:05.040
Is this, is this resonating?

556
00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:09.760
Yeah, I'm seeing Xavier shaking.

557
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:11.760
He's always so polite.

558
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:19.440
Oh, let's make sure your sound on Xavier.

559
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:25.160
Let's get your sound on so we can hear you.

560
00:37:25.160 --> 00:37:26.160
I can see you.

561
00:37:26.160 --> 00:37:27.160
Yeah.

562
00:37:27.160 --> 00:37:28.160
How about now?

563
00:37:28.160 --> 00:37:29.160
Perfect.

564
00:37:29.160 --> 00:37:30.160
Okay.

565
00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:31.160
All right.

566
00:37:31.160 --> 00:37:32.160
There we go.

567
00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:40.480
Actually, I've been listening to what you said and what Robin said, both of which I

568
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.840
can absolutely positively relate to.

569
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:51.200
And the last five years of my life, the Lord has been really being, been bringing me into

570
00:37:51.200 --> 00:37:55.040
total dependence on him for everything.

571
00:37:55.040 --> 00:38:01.840
And the 10 years before that was lining up to put me in a position to learn total dependence

572
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.560
on him.

573
00:38:04.560 --> 00:38:10.440
And so I have to, there are times I still kind of have to remember.

574
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.960
And so I try to work with him in all things.

575
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:20.120
And it becomes toll for me when I start obsessing or worrying about the outcome.

576
00:38:20.120 --> 00:38:28.320
And when I've learned to just work from a place of rest, then I get a whole lot more

577
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.320
done.

578
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:34.240
Most recently, my thing with God, it's like, okay, I've got all this to do.

579
00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:41.400
And if you don't bend time, I'm never going to get it done.

580
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:48.120
And the reality is, is that when I work from that position, then, you know, time goes,

581
00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:53.940
and I don't know how, but by the time that pile of stuff is done, I can't believe it's

582
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:54.940
gotten done.

583
00:38:54.940 --> 00:38:58.920
And it's just been 45 minutes, something that I expected to take four hours.

584
00:38:59.520 --> 00:39:02.120
And yet here it all is.

585
00:39:02.120 --> 00:39:03.920
And it's a lesson.

586
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:05.360
And I'm pretty stubborn.

587
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:10.280
It's still hard for me to approach that every single day and every single time I tend to

588
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:11.280
forget.

589
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.640
And I find myself obsessing and toiling and going at it.

590
00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:22.640
And then finally stepping back and go, okay, I'm sorry, Lord, I need to engage you with

591
00:39:22.640 --> 00:39:23.640
everything.

592
00:39:23.640 --> 00:39:25.480
And God is really good about that.

593
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:30.840
And the things that I do accomplish and the things that I have done that have come directly

594
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.480
from him, I mean, I could spend an hour just giving testimony, but the reality is, is that

595
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.840
I'm learning that that's the place that I have to work from.

596
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.600
And what he's teaching me is I also have to grow to a place for the work that he set before

597
00:39:45.600 --> 00:39:46.600
me.

598
00:39:46.600 --> 00:39:50.640
I've got to be that person and, you know, our desire, my desire is to be that person

599
00:39:50.640 --> 00:39:52.280
right now.

600
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.640
And I'm not there yet.

601
00:39:54.640 --> 00:39:59.880
And so all of this that I'm going through is really kind of is.

602
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.920
growing me spiritually and maturing me,

603
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:08.200
so that when I am there, then I am that person

604
00:40:08.200 --> 00:40:10.720
that God has called to do this thing or that thing

605
00:40:10.720 --> 00:40:12.800
or whatever it happens to be.

606
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.760
So, you know, we go through,

607
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.680
there are just seasons in life that we go through

608
00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:19.160
where it's all about growth.

609
00:40:20.520 --> 00:40:22.680
Yeah, and what I'm hearing from you is

610
00:40:22.680 --> 00:40:23.960
what's made a difference for you

611
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:27.600
is the expectation of expansion in who you are, right?

612
00:40:27.600 --> 00:40:29.880
So I'm becoming that person

613
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.320
and the perspective shift, I'm sure,

614
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.840
has made the work and the partnership much more pleasurable

615
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.640
because even though if it's hard and it takes effort,

616
00:40:37.640 --> 00:40:40.120
there's an expectation that you are expanding,

617
00:40:40.120 --> 00:40:44.240
like, versus the condemnation that can sometimes creep in

618
00:40:44.240 --> 00:40:46.720
where I'm not this person, I'll never be this person,

619
00:40:46.720 --> 00:40:48.280
and I'm not enough,

620
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.400
and God is really disappointed in me because of that.

621
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:52.840
Right, these are the lives sometimes

622
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.000
that we can sometimes feast on

623
00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:00.080
when the results aren't there

624
00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:04.240
to necessarily externally prove

625
00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:06.520
what's internally happening.

626
00:41:06.520 --> 00:41:08.400
That is very, very true,

627
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.160
and I come from that position and have grown out of that,

628
00:41:12.160 --> 00:41:13.360
but I had to grow out of that

629
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.840
because that was very deeply ingrained, you know,

630
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.960
and that's not what he's called us for,

631
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.000
but there is still an expectation.

632
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.640
And there are some things that God does

633
00:41:23.640 --> 00:41:25.520
that take 20 years.

634
00:41:25.520 --> 00:41:28.080
Yeah, but you can bend time to your point.

635
00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:28.920
Right.

636
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:29.840
He's not bound by time.

637
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.480
You know, time's not our master either.

638
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:33.320
And not for him,

639
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.240
but I just mean for me to grow to that,

640
00:41:35.240 --> 00:41:36.720
to a particular point.

641
00:41:36.720 --> 00:41:39.080
Yeah, but there's no condemnation.

642
00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:39.920
I'm glad you brought that up

643
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.160
because that is a lie.

644
00:41:42.160 --> 00:41:45.080
The lie of time being our master is one that,

645
00:41:45.080 --> 00:41:46.240
I mean, I heard it this week,

646
00:41:46.240 --> 00:41:49.480
Macy, I went to a wonderful women's retreat

647
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.880
that Macy helped her mom lead,

648
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:53.760
and it was amazing.

649
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.760
And I, you know, it was multi-generational.

650
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.280
So there's people there in a certain age bracket

651
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.200
that are having to contend with the lie

652
00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:01.360
that they missed it

653
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.280
because it's taken them this long

654
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.400
to discover this truth or this revelation.

655
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:10.440
And again, the revelation itself is still not your source.

656
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.000
That's right.

657
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:12.840
Absolutely.

658
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:13.680
He is your source.

659
00:42:13.680 --> 00:42:14.520
He is reward.

660
00:42:14.520 --> 00:42:15.360
But we see this,

661
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:16.280
we see this sometimes in different circles

662
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:17.800
where it's like, oh, if that's the thing,

663
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:19.680
that revelation,

664
00:42:19.680 --> 00:42:22.160
or, you know, and this is where denominations form

665
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:23.760
ministry movements.

666
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.080
And it's like, you know,

667
00:42:25.080 --> 00:42:27.000
I've been on this journey ministry-wise

668
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.800
where it was like, you know,

669
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.080
back in 2009, discovered the grace message

670
00:42:31.080 --> 00:42:34.480
for the first time and thought, this is it.

671
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.600
Grace, grace, grace, grace.

672
00:42:36.600 --> 00:42:37.760
Later coming down the road,

673
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.680
discovering more of the, you know,

674
00:42:39.680 --> 00:42:41.320
mystical union with Christ

675
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.720
and the oneness with Christ and the new creation theology.

676
00:42:43.720 --> 00:42:44.840
And I'm like, no, this is it.

677
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.720
This is it, right?

678
00:42:46.720 --> 00:42:47.960
But the problem with that

679
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.960
is that the revelation is not my Christ.

680
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:52.560
I mean, Christ has always been there.

681
00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:53.400
That's right.

682
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.560
And I don't have more of God now.

683
00:42:55.560 --> 00:42:58.240
I might have a greater awareness of some things,

684
00:42:58.240 --> 00:42:59.280
which is awesome,

685
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.280
but I don't necessarily have more of God now

686
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.080
than I did back then.

687
00:43:04.080 --> 00:43:05.320
He's always been my all in all.

688
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.680
I think that alone is so beautiful

689
00:43:08.680 --> 00:43:12.120
and is a point that really needs to be made about,

690
00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:16.760
you know, because I had God when I was a child, okay?

691
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.040
But I understood him in a very childlike, you know, manner,

692
00:43:20.040 --> 00:43:21.840
but it was still real.

693
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:26.840
And God is, I have grown in God throughout my entire life.

694
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.360
Okay, I never really stepped away from that.

695
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.560
But the point that you just made,

696
00:43:32.560 --> 00:43:37.400
I don't have more of God now, okay, than I had back then.

697
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.360
I have more understanding, okay?

698
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:41.200
I have more truth and purity.

699
00:43:41.200 --> 00:43:44.440
You have a greater awareness, but not greater access.

700
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:45.280
No, no.

701
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.440
To your point, you had the same access to God as a child.

702
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:49.280
That's right.

703
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.840
You have the same access to God as a Baptist,

704
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.000
as a Methodist.

705
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:54.840
That's true.

706
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.400
As a Democrat, as a Republican,

707
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.120
you have the same access to God.

708
00:43:59.120 --> 00:44:02.800
Because your identity is not founded in those things.

709
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:04.160
You're a son.

710
00:44:04.160 --> 00:44:05.000
That's right.

711
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.080
And this journey is about becoming even more aware,

712
00:44:09.080 --> 00:44:11.880
expanding into who you already are.

713
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:13.600
I like to think of it as remembering

714
00:44:13.600 --> 00:44:15.080
what I always knew to be true.

715
00:44:17.120 --> 00:44:18.160
This is a spirit led life.

716
00:44:18.160 --> 00:44:20.600
Holly, were you raising your hand?

717
00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:26.400
I think I was just agreeing with what you were saying.

718
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.880
I did want to chime in whenever it's okay to do that.

719
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.240
So this is all really good,

720
00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:37.280
especially the part about letting go of the outcome.

721
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.360
And I think, because I had the last two weeks,

722
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.160
we had a bunch of the end of the school year things,

723
00:44:41.160 --> 00:44:42.200
and then I went out of town.

724
00:44:42.200 --> 00:44:44.960
So I wasn't doing any of my regular work.

725
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.600
And so it's interesting when you step back for a little bit,

726
00:44:48.040 --> 00:44:49.760
you can kind of get a fresh perspective.

727
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.200
But I started to realize, or God was revealing to me,

728
00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:56.520
that the anxiety, or maybe the toil,

729
00:44:56.520 --> 00:44:57.760
I don't know if it's, I guess it's toil,

730
00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.080
because there's anxiety,

731
00:44:59.080 --> 00:44:59.920
is,

732
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.040
expansion, like, I've been a mom for so long. And I know you

733
00:45:04.040 --> 00:45:06.760
understand this, because now you have two kids. And I, like

734
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.720
everything has, you know, extended myself for the family

735
00:45:10.720 --> 00:45:13.800
for so long. And now that they're older, I'm not totally

736
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.160
there anymore. But when I think about like showing up

737
00:45:17.200 --> 00:45:20.520
consistently putting myself out there, and the expansion starts

738
00:45:20.520 --> 00:45:23.300
to happen, because it happens fast, like once you start doing

739
00:45:23.300 --> 00:45:26.420
that, it starts to happen really fast, I've noticed. And then I

740
00:45:26.420 --> 00:45:29.200
find I want to pull back because it's like, wait, I don't know if

741
00:45:29.200 --> 00:45:32.380
I can do all that. Like, I don't know if I can handle an

742
00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:36.820
expansion. Because I don't know if I'll be able to. I don't

743
00:45:36.820 --> 00:45:39.380
know, it might, I might just get too overwhelmed, it might take

744
00:45:39.380 --> 00:45:42.660
away from, you know, what if I need to go to San Diego, because

745
00:45:42.660 --> 00:45:45.860
it's parents weekend in my daughter's college, and I can't

746
00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:48.140
because I have this group that I already saw, you know, I just

747
00:45:48.140 --> 00:45:49.980
started thinking about all these things. And I'm like, I don't

748
00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:54.820
know if I could expand and keep it going. So then I feel like

749
00:45:54.820 --> 00:45:57.500
that's anxiety. And so I kind of hold back and pull back a

750
00:45:57.500 --> 00:46:01.720
little bit. But even that is still kind of not letting go of

751
00:46:01.720 --> 00:46:03.640
the outcome, because I'm thinking the outcome is going to

752
00:46:03.640 --> 00:46:08.280
be too much for me. And I don't know why. But yeah, I just maybe

753
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:14.240
it's like, I doubt that I'll be able to stay organized and keep

754
00:46:14.240 --> 00:46:17.680
it all going. And you know, I don't know. That's the anxiety

755
00:46:17.680 --> 00:46:18.160
for me.

756
00:46:19.120 --> 00:46:21.400
I can definitely relate, because I like to do things in

757
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:27.520
excellence. And I like margin. Yeah. And margin is not always

758
00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:31.860
given when there's a rapid expansion taking place. Yes,

759
00:46:31.900 --> 00:46:38.300
yes. And what has been required is a deeper level of trust in

760
00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:42.660
the Lord, not my own ability. And the way that manifests

761
00:46:42.660 --> 00:46:44.100
because I don't want to be vague, because that's not

762
00:46:44.100 --> 00:46:46.460
helpful. It's like, no, you just you should just really trust the

763
00:46:46.460 --> 00:46:48.280
Lord and like be okay with it. It's like, what does that look

764
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.180
like? Well, for me, it's looked like several different things.

765
00:46:51.220 --> 00:46:55.580
When expansions taken place, wisdom has come for how to

766
00:46:55.580 --> 00:46:59.100
delegate the right things, or a person has come with a certain

767
00:46:59.100 --> 00:47:02.700
skill set that I don't necessarily have to be able to

768
00:47:02.700 --> 00:47:08.540
like handle that level of, you know, expansion, right? A

769
00:47:08.540 --> 00:47:11.300
greater I sometimes I've discovered I have skills I

770
00:47:11.300 --> 00:47:13.620
didn't know I had, because there's been a stretching and a

771
00:47:13.620 --> 00:47:17.780
press on things that have caused me to rise up in a certain area.

772
00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:19.840
And I'm like, Oh, wow, I'm actually really good at that. I

773
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:24.020
didn't know that I was right. You bring on a really good. I

774
00:47:24.020 --> 00:47:26.200
want to talk a little bit really quick about the difference

775
00:47:26.200 --> 00:47:30.380
between peace and relief. Because I think that we often

776
00:47:30.380 --> 00:47:34.040
confuse peace and relief. And so when we talk about following

777
00:47:34.040 --> 00:47:36.720
peace, the world will say follow your peace, which is really

778
00:47:36.720 --> 00:47:41.360
messy, because that's an ever changing scale. But we'll talk

779
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:45.160
about peace, right, the person of Jesus peace, follow peace. We

780
00:47:45.160 --> 00:47:47.080
sometimes confuse that with relief, and we're looking for

781
00:47:47.080 --> 00:47:50.820
the thing that gives us relief. So let's talk about a few things

782
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.780
that I didn't make a list of this, because I thought it might

783
00:47:52.780 --> 00:47:57.540
come up. Peace, we know comes from the Holy Spirit. Relief

784
00:47:57.540 --> 00:48:02.260
comes from circumstantial escape. So how often have we

785
00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:06.940
been in a circumstance? And we thought if we if this thing just

786
00:48:06.940 --> 00:48:11.260
ends, and I'll feel peace again, well, you'll feel relief. But

787
00:48:11.260 --> 00:48:15.220
you can feel peace in the midst of a really hard circumstance.

788
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.600
I know we've all been there where you're like, I shouldn't

789
00:48:17.600 --> 00:48:19.720
be feeling this is peace beyond my understanding, right? It's

790
00:48:19.720 --> 00:48:22.640
Philippians four talks about something crazy is going on, and

791
00:48:22.640 --> 00:48:27.240
you just feel at peace. That's peace. But relief is like, get

792
00:48:27.240 --> 00:48:30.640
me out of this, and then I'll feel better. And we sometimes

793
00:48:30.640 --> 00:48:33.920
confuse that with peace. And I say we I'm not picking on you,

794
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:39.240
Holly, I'm me, I have done this. Peace stays rooted in the truth

795
00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:41.320
even when it's hard. So again, going back to that question, did

796
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:45.540
God really say? A lot of us are living prophetically led lives,

797
00:48:45.580 --> 00:48:48.220
we get a word from the Lord. And we're like, I'm going to do

798
00:48:48.220 --> 00:48:50.580
this, I'm going to move to the state, I'm going to start this

799
00:48:50.580 --> 00:48:54.980
business, right? And we know that we know that we know, and

800
00:48:54.980 --> 00:48:58.180
then things get hard. And we're like, did God really say? Or did

801
00:48:58.180 --> 00:49:00.860
I really hear? Or did I make take all the steps I was

802
00:49:00.860 --> 00:49:03.620
supposed to? Peace stays rooted in the truth, even when it's

803
00:49:03.620 --> 00:49:06.580
hard. I'm living this a little bit right now just be vulnerable

804
00:49:06.580 --> 00:49:08.940
like being in Franklin, Tennessee, I want to be by the

805
00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:12.280
sea. I want to be by the water. I want to be in your family,

806
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:15.560
like extended family. But the Lord has called us to Franklin,

807
00:49:15.560 --> 00:49:17.600
Tennessee. And I've had that tested a couple times this year

808
00:49:17.600 --> 00:49:20.560
because I've been by the sea. I've been back to my hometown.

809
00:49:20.560 --> 00:49:23.340
I'm like, come back to Franklin and feeling a little bit like

810
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:25.920
community is a little dry right now because I've been out of

811
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.280
commission just, you know, haven't been able to leave the

812
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.480
house as much and make friends and all that stuff. And I'm like,

813
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.160
Lord, this doesn't really feel like I'm flourishing here. But I

814
00:49:33.160 --> 00:49:35.680
know that I know that I know that the Lord said we're

815
00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:40.720
supposed to be here. I don't know why. But I trust. I trust

816
00:49:40.720 --> 00:49:44.060
him. And I trust that he'll cover me if I got it wrong. I

817
00:49:44.060 --> 00:49:48.100
don't think I did. Right. But I don't have to live in this weird

818
00:49:48.100 --> 00:49:52.260
sick cycle of self doubt and self condemnation until

819
00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:55.780
something changes. I can stay steady and like the heart of

820
00:49:55.780 --> 00:49:58.940
like the unknown. That's peace.

821
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.000
Relief is driven by discomfort avoidance.

822
00:50:06.620 --> 00:50:09.780
Just whatever feels uncomfortable,

823
00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:11.740
I step back from, oh, that feels peaceful.

824
00:50:11.740 --> 00:50:13.420
No, you're feeling relief.

825
00:50:13.420 --> 00:50:15.420
It's just relief, and it's temporary.

826
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.980
Peace stays steady in the storm.

827
00:50:18.980 --> 00:50:20.860
Relief fades, like I said, when things get hard.

828
00:50:20.860 --> 00:50:25.860
Peace will call you into obedience and confrontation,

829
00:50:26.140 --> 00:50:27.820
which sometimes feels very hard.

830
00:50:28.820 --> 00:50:33.520
But relief will call you into a path of least resistance,

831
00:50:33.520 --> 00:50:35.240
and that's not always the most rewarding.

832
00:50:35.240 --> 00:50:36.860
It's never the most rewarding,

833
00:50:36.860 --> 00:50:38.340
the path of least resistance.

834
00:50:39.740 --> 00:50:43.060
Peace builds endurance and stamina in you.

835
00:50:43.060 --> 00:50:44.980
Like you can walk out of hard situations.

836
00:50:44.980 --> 00:50:48.600
You can walk out of hard season not depleted.

837
00:50:48.600 --> 00:50:49.720
That's peace.

838
00:50:50.660 --> 00:50:55.660
Relief will often delay growth and decision-making.

839
00:50:57.940 --> 00:51:00.740
And sometimes call that waiting on God,

840
00:51:00.740 --> 00:51:02.300
if you want to spiritualize it.

841
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:06.180
So there's a difference.

842
00:51:06.180 --> 00:51:09.860
I think about Jesus in the garden in Matthew 26.

843
00:51:09.860 --> 00:51:13.720
He's like, my soul is overwhelmed with sorrow

844
00:51:13.720 --> 00:51:15.040
to the point of death.

845
00:51:15.040 --> 00:51:16.240
That's heavy.

846
00:51:16.240 --> 00:51:17.460
That's agony.

847
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:20.280
That's stress that I don't know that I can relate to.

848
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:21.760
Like my life has been really hard.

849
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.420
I don't know if I've been so overwhelmed

850
00:51:23.420 --> 00:51:25.060
with sorrow to the point of death.

851
00:51:25.060 --> 00:51:26.360
But then what does he say?

852
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:30.280
In a place of peace and confidence,

853
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.120
not my will, but yours be done.

854
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:35.480
And I'll even go a step further,

855
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:36.740
not to add words to Jesus,

856
00:51:36.740 --> 00:51:38.560
but just knowing the life that he lived

857
00:51:38.560 --> 00:51:42.120
and the things that he said over and over in the gospels,

858
00:51:42.120 --> 00:51:43.700
my will is your will, Lord.

859
00:51:45.700 --> 00:51:46.820
My will is your will.

860
00:51:48.620 --> 00:51:51.100
There's such an intermingling in the desires

861
00:51:51.100 --> 00:51:52.560
of our hearts with the Lord.

862
00:51:52.560 --> 00:51:54.180
Like, do you believe that?

863
00:51:54.180 --> 00:51:55.320
If not, why?

864
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.160
Maybe because there's a little bit of religion

865
00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:00.960
that's crept in and said,

866
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:02.960
it's all Jesus and none of you.

867
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:06.600
That's not the gospel.

868
00:52:10.520 --> 00:52:13.560
So that's the difference between relief and peace

869
00:52:13.560 --> 00:52:16.120
and something that I think that's a really great conversation

870
00:52:16.120 --> 00:52:18.720
to start having with the Holy Spirit this week.

871
00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:20.220
Are there places in my life

872
00:52:20.220 --> 00:52:23.240
where I'm seeking relief instead of peace?

873
00:52:23.240 --> 00:52:25.860
And also asking him to highlight the growth,

874
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.100
like Xavier said, where am I walking in peace now

875
00:52:29.100 --> 00:52:31.260
that I did not realize before?

876
00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:32.900
Like, help me identify those places,

877
00:52:32.900 --> 00:52:34.580
because sometimes we're just trekking on, trekking on,

878
00:52:34.580 --> 00:52:38.540
we don't take time to stop and really celebrate the growth.

879
00:52:39.380 --> 00:52:41.100
Like, there's things, I'll use motherhood

880
00:52:41.100 --> 00:52:42.140
because we were talking about that, Holly,

881
00:52:42.140 --> 00:52:44.580
there's things that three years ago

882
00:52:44.580 --> 00:52:46.700
would have probably taken me out

883
00:52:46.700 --> 00:52:48.620
in this motherhood journey,

884
00:52:48.620 --> 00:52:50.780
but there's been a lot of growth and expansion

885
00:52:50.780 --> 00:52:52.460
in the last three years,

886
00:52:52.460 --> 00:52:54.340
that there's places that used to be like,

887
00:52:55.100 --> 00:52:58.100
places of frustration and toil and anxiety and fear

888
00:52:58.100 --> 00:53:00.740
that I stand so steady in now,

889
00:53:01.540 --> 00:53:04.580
even with it multiplied, even with two kids, you know?

890
00:53:04.580 --> 00:53:06.180
And I'm sure there's things in your journey as well

891
00:53:06.180 --> 00:53:08.340
where you think, oh, the things 20 years ago

892
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:10.620
that I just thought, oh, I'll never,

893
00:53:10.620 --> 00:53:12.580
and you're like, oh, you know?

894
00:53:12.580 --> 00:53:13.420
And not only that,

895
00:53:13.420 --> 00:53:15.140
but you're probably encouraging other mothers right now,

896
00:53:15.140 --> 00:53:16.040
like, hey, you can do it,

897
00:53:16.040 --> 00:53:18.060
because that's the beauty of being more than a conqueror

898
00:53:18.060 --> 00:53:19.400
is it just overflows.

899
00:53:20.260 --> 00:53:22.460
And we begin to help others overcome

900
00:53:22.460 --> 00:53:23.700
and identify their strengths

901
00:53:23.700 --> 00:53:26.300
and going glory to glory.

902
00:53:26.300 --> 00:53:28.180
So peace is not always comfortable.

903
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:31.900
Often it's costly at first,

904
00:53:31.900 --> 00:53:33.540
because it feels maybe sometimes

905
00:53:33.540 --> 00:53:35.180
it's the irresponsible thing,

906
00:53:35.180 --> 00:53:37.100
it's the uncomfortable thing,

907
00:53:37.100 --> 00:53:38.340
it's the hard thing,

908
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:40.820
it's the countercultural thing to do,

909
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:45.220
but it will always bring clarity and confidence,

910
00:53:45.220 --> 00:53:46.780
and that's the spirit-led life.

911
00:53:49.300 --> 00:53:52.140
Let's see, I know Macy has a hard stop at three today,

912
00:53:52.820 --> 00:53:53.660
and I did wanna say,

913
00:53:53.660 --> 00:53:55.020
because this is gonna, I mean, ongoing conversation,

914
00:53:55.020 --> 00:53:56.620
and I'll be jumping back in here

915
00:53:56.620 --> 00:53:57.620
and we'll continue this conversation.

916
00:53:57.620 --> 00:53:58.980
I think it's a really important one.

917
00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:00.480
I don't think it's like a conversation.

918
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.340
I think it's like a continual,

919
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:05.300
something that the Lord is wanting to build in us all,

920
00:54:05.300 --> 00:54:06.860
and a clarity and a peace around this,

921
00:54:06.860 --> 00:54:09.500
because we're gonna be coaching other people

922
00:54:09.500 --> 00:54:12.460
to disengage with toil in their own lives as well.

923
00:54:13.540 --> 00:54:15.180
If there's things that come up during the week,

924
00:54:15.180 --> 00:54:17.760
like, oh, I thought about this,

925
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:19.180
or I found this in scripture,

926
00:54:19.180 --> 00:54:20.540
or I have a question about this,

927
00:54:20.540 --> 00:54:21.860
go ahead and put it in the Pioneers group.

928
00:54:22.660 --> 00:54:24.140
I'll be in there and we can continue the conversation.

929
00:54:24.140 --> 00:54:27.220
I would really like to use that group more and more

930
00:54:27.220 --> 00:54:31.140
for the conversation in between the Zoom calls, if you will.

931
00:54:32.120 --> 00:54:33.980
So please do that, and I'm committing

932
00:54:33.980 --> 00:54:36.900
to getting back in there and checking on it,

933
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:38.860
because I definitely, you can tag me and stuff,

934
00:54:38.860 --> 00:54:41.440
but I'd love to continue that conversation.

935
00:54:42.580 --> 00:54:45.940
So, I'd love to pray for us all

936
00:54:47.260 --> 00:54:49.660
as we're going off to have some really fun,

937
00:54:49.660 --> 00:54:51.840
hopefully, conversations with the Holy Spirit.

938
00:54:52.740 --> 00:54:56.460
To illuminate, He guides us in the truth,

939
00:54:56.460 --> 00:54:57.660
so we can trust Him.

940
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.400
If you use the absence of pressure with the presence of peace.

941
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:10.280
I think we're looking for a depressurized life and sometimes the pressure is a helpful

942
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:11.880
indicator of something, right?

943
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.240
So is there places of pressure in our lives?

944
00:55:14.240 --> 00:55:16.280
That's something to ask the Holy Spirit like, what does that mean?

945
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:20.760
I think about birth, like pressure's a good thing.

946
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.280
Helps us get the baby out.

947
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.040
Helps us birth the thing, right?

948
00:55:24.040 --> 00:55:32.240
So many people want to bypass that pressure and the body's not actually made for that.

949
00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:36.440
So unless there's like an emergency, you actually want to work with the pressure of childbirth.

950
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:37.440
That's just an example.

951
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:43.160
Sorry to the guys, but the women will probably understand that.

952
00:55:43.160 --> 00:55:47.000
We're a little bit more in tune with those types of things, but there's several things.

953
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.360
We talk about working out.

954
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.320
You have to have pressure to build that muscle, right?

955
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.880
You got to lift the weight to build the muscle.

956
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.760
It's not a good thing if you never lift weight.

957
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.200
Your muscles like die off if that happens.

958
00:56:00.200 --> 00:56:01.720
It's a really, it's a really bad thing.

959
00:56:01.720 --> 00:56:04.000
So where is the pressure in my life?

960
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:05.520
Am I thinking about it correctly?

961
00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:09.300
Do I have the right perspective on that pressure?

962
00:56:09.300 --> 00:56:12.240
So Holy Spirit, we love you.

963
00:56:12.240 --> 00:56:15.000
We thank you that you are our advocate.

964
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.160
You are our comforter.

965
00:56:17.160 --> 00:56:23.640
So that's what's so interesting is that we're not called to live a comfortable life, but

966
00:56:23.640 --> 00:56:28.720
we are called to live a life that requires some comfort, and we have it in you.

967
00:56:28.720 --> 00:56:29.720
We have it in you.

968
00:56:29.720 --> 00:56:30.720
So we thank you for that.

969
00:56:30.720 --> 00:56:31.720
You're our counselor.

970
00:56:31.720 --> 00:56:32.720
You're our comforter.

971
00:56:32.720 --> 00:56:33.720
You're our helper.

972
00:56:33.720 --> 00:56:34.720
You're our advocate.

973
00:56:34.720 --> 00:56:40.080
I pray that you'd be with these pioneers this week, and I know you're with them, but I pray

974
00:56:40.080 --> 00:56:44.880
that there would be lots of dialogue this week, that you would give us ears to hear

975
00:56:45.160 --> 00:56:46.160
and eyes to see.

976
00:56:46.160 --> 00:56:51.240
The scriptures say both of those things are gifts from God, eyes to hear and ears to see

977
00:56:51.240 --> 00:56:52.960
what you're doing.

978
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.120
So we welcome that gift.

979
00:56:54.120 --> 00:56:56.760
We receive it.

980
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.160
I pray that there would be a healing balm over everyone's hearts and minds for past

981
00:57:01.160 --> 00:57:07.200
disappointment, past perceived failure.

982
00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:14.760
I pray that there would be a re-identification of places in our lives where we've misidentified,

983
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.760
whether that's been with something someone said over us, something we've said over ourselves,

984
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:25.040
a failure, a missed result, a missed expectation, a disappointment, a discouragement.

985
00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:27.440
We lay it all at your feet, Jesus.

986
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:28.480
We lay it all at your feet.

987
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.340
We don't wear those things as crowns.

988
00:57:31.340 --> 00:57:33.320
They're not over us.

989
00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:34.680
They're under us.

990
00:57:34.680 --> 00:57:35.680
They're under your feet.

991
00:57:35.680 --> 00:57:36.680
They're under our feet.

992
00:57:36.680 --> 00:57:42.760
So we pray that there would just be a healing balm to those places and spaces in our hearts

993
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:51.320
and our minds and our memories that may right now be informing the actions that we're taking

994
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:55.800
or maybe informing us to not take actions that we should be taking.

995
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:02.200
Jesus, we thank you that we are one with you, that we are seated in heavenly places, that

996
00:58:02.200 --> 00:58:08.960
we are above, not beneath, that we are triumphant, we are victorious in the here and now, and

997
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:14.360
that as we behold you, the scripture says, as we behold you because the veil is now lifted,

998
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:19.480
we become more like you and we go from glory to glory.

999
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:25.880
So we declare we are going from glory to glory.

1000
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:32.400
I pray that our speech and our thoughts and our actions and our attitudes will be aligned

1001
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:38.880
with the heart of the Father towards us, that we would have a deeper understanding and awareness

1002
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:46.080
and perspective of who Father God is, how he loves us, how he cares for us, that we

1003
00:58:46.080 --> 00:58:52.200
would have a greater perspective of the dreams and the callings and the giftings on our destiny

1004
00:58:52.200 --> 00:58:57.160
scrolls, and I call those destinies forth right now.

1005
00:58:57.160 --> 00:59:02.920
I thank you that we have things in creation like technology and time that are just tools

1006
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:05.200
in our hands as sons of God.

1007
00:59:05.200 --> 00:59:06.200
They're not lorded over us.

1008
00:59:06.200 --> 00:59:07.320
They're not our masters.

1009
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:08.360
We do not serve it.

1010
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.280
They serve us.

1011
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.480
Holy Spirit, give us a greater revelation and wisdom.

1012
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:18.240
Give us wisdom on how to wield those tools properly.

1013
00:59:18.240 --> 00:59:25.560
It's for your glory, Lord, your honor, and your kingdom to be advanced here on earth.

1014
00:59:25.560 --> 00:59:30.120
I also pray for the pre-Christians that we will come across this week, Lord, that there

1015
00:59:30.120 --> 00:59:36.240
would be a boldness and a courage and a greater stamina to welcome those people in our lives

1016
00:59:36.240 --> 00:59:41.840
and in our conversations, and that you would give us the words to say in the moment, that

1017
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:47.040
we don't have to strive or stress over those interactions, but you will inform us.

1018
00:59:47.040 --> 00:59:50.360
You will inform us, and we will partner with you in those moments.

1019
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.800
And I pray all these things with the authority that Jesus has given me.

1020
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:54.800
Amen.

1021
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:55.800
Amen.

1022
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:59.840
All right, please keep the dialogue going.

1023
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.400
Here's group questions, aha moments,

1024
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.480
fun things you found or discovered this week,

1025
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:06.780
and I look forward to talking to you guys soon.

1026
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.600
Bye.