Hey Jennifer! Hey! Oh, I need to, sorry Macy, I thought you were out of ghost. That's okay.
Hi everybody. Hey Robin, Cindy, see you guys. Let's let people in. Awesome. Cool. See Holly's
here. Job couldn't see you guys. Any wins you guys, I know you guys were hung out with
Lindsay last week. Do you guys have any takeaways from that? Any wins from this week or anything
you guys are building? Love to hear some wins. I had a good meeting with Macy regarding,
I'm listening to her one-on-one and I didn't understand that we needed to purchase the
software and it was a little confusing. So now that we went through that, clear as a bell. So
I'm good with that. Thanks. Was that for ActiveCampaign? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Nice. It's a good,
we use it for a lot of stuff. I know all of you entrepreneurs are looking for just one more
software subscription to sign up for, but that's a good one. Awesome. Any other wins here? Holly,
you're unmuted. So I'm picking on you because you're unmuted. I heard the first part of Lindsay's
thing and she basically wrote your landing page copy for you in the first few minutes.
Oh, we can't hear you. I don't know if you're speaking. There we go. Oh, hello. There you go.
Now I can hear you. Okay. Yeah, she totally did. I want to go back and listen to it again because
she was saying it and I was trying to take it all in and I was thinking, oh my gosh, this is perfect.
But of course I need to remember it. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. And I am, so I am going
to do a separate website. I decided I talked with Macy about it because I have so many things. I have
different services and I need them all so people to be able to read about them and then like book
their appointments and stuff. And I haven't found a way to do that without a website. Yes. That,
yeah, for your type of business for sure. I think, yeah, everybody, like you kind of have like the
marketing website. Even for Tribe, we have this. So we have like a tribesocial.io, which is just
all things about software and all that. And then we still have like a separate landing page that's
just for pioneers or a separate, you know, and then we have actual the Tribe app where you guys are
using. Yeah. Okay. So we didn't even combine it into one thing. So we just tried to not make it
too confusing for clients as far as like which domain goes where. So, but yeah, having that,
you guys don't have to worry about a domain for your tribe stuff. So just use your main domain
as like you're a landing page of some kind. Yeah. Cause I was using the original tribe social kind
of as a website, you know, and so I just haven't had anything since then. And so people,
yeah, there's just nothing connected to anything. So if people want to call their friend, they can't
like look me up or whatever, unless they go, I don't know. So I've just been trying to figure
out what to do about that. But I think I'm going to do just a basic website. Cool. Yeah. And once
you get a website up and you have, and you've got your group as well, you could share in the
community. I can definitely take a look at it and record a quick video, just seeing like how we can
connect the two. There's some places in the group, for example, there's a thing called next steps
where you can have links and resources. So in the group, you could have something that's like, Hey,
book a one-on-one session with Holly. And you click that and it goes to your buy a session page.
So you can kind of upsell to like other things, kind of like an Amazon when there's always like
five other amazing things you want, like on that same page while they're in your group,
you could have links to go buy other stuff from you. So. Sounds great. Thank you. Cool.
Awesome. Well, that sounds good. Well, I'm glad you guys had a good session with
Lindsay. She will be in like a good rhythm now. I think you guys, I was with you guys and then
Lindsay, and then I'm back again. We're going to flip this the next week. You'll have like a guest,
I think coming in. And then I know you guys are all meeting with Macy anyway. We're going to start
hosting those calls as well, like in the community feed. So you guys can, you'll see like, Hey,
Macy's live and you should all get a push notification for that. So if you're around
and want to hop.
in for a question, that's a good time to do that.
So let me, I was going to just share a few things just
that I had this morning, and just kind of about like
entrepreneurship in general, and then we'll definitely take some hot seats, so
be thinking of some questions. I can jump in, review stuff for you guys,
look at copy, we could look at landing pages, we could look at
how your group's set up, whatever you guys need,
we can definitely give some help for that.
But this whole entrepreneurship journey
is, you know, first off you guys should know that you are entrepreneurs,
like some of you guys coming from ministry world, and you're
like, oh no, but I'm just an author, or I'm like a teacher, a pastor, but
when you kind of jumped into this group of pioneers,
entrepreneurs are very, pioneers are very entrepreneurial,
I would say, and so you're stepping out into something that is very apostolic
in nature, so you have, you know, you're taking grounds, taking new territory,
you're trying to bring kingdom to this specific
niche that you're working in, and there's, this is very
apostolic, so this is a like version of ministry,
bringing people into a new space, into new
freedom, bringing kingdom wherever you go through your business, and business is
just a vehicle that's going to get you there. And so
when we first started, like the first half of our,
I'll say like part one of our business was like
2020 to 2019, so for nine years we had no coach,
we had no, we didn't hire any mentors, we didn't do any courses, we didn't do
any of this, any stuff that we're doing right here, and that you're all
putting resources together, we weren't doing any of that for our business, we
just kind of like stumbled along somehow and like figured
things out the hard way, and I'm sure a lot of you guys have been
in seasons like that, and the whole time as well we were
very much like, Lindsay and I were involved in ministry
on Sundays, and we were even in eldership and
leadership and stuff for most of our marriage, and then business
sort of happened Monday through Friday, and then sometimes we would have like
events through Lindsay's work that were also kind of
Christian, like Christian leadership type things, so that was sort of like,
okay there's like kind of a blend of ministry and, you know, business sort of
merging, but it was very much like business with like
some Christians sprinkled onto it, and so we never really had this idea of
convergence where things are just all coming together, and so that's
been the fun journey of the last six years, is just figuring out this
this thing called like kingdom entrepreneurship, like how do you
actually be an entrepreneur and pioneer things
as someone who's like also advancing the kingdom,
and it does all sort of converge into one thing. You have
ministry is now happening on a Tuesday at two o'clock
on a Zoom call, but it's also happening on a Sunday, but it's also happening in
all these different spaces. It just looks very different, and this
to me is very much a version of what the ecclesia, like the church, looks like in
2025. It's like people gathering a tribe, like
connected, like we're doing, we're a tribe obviously, we're all building
something, but you're all launching your own tribes
and building your own thing to go help people do
something, but this is very much like a ministry
or a church related, you know, it's a version of church,
and I'm not saying it's, you guys know we're for the local church, we're very
plugged into our local church here, but there's also kind of
newer versions as well to help people, disciple them, to
again, that apostolic idea of bringing people into a new
realm, into a new reality, and sometimes it's bringing them freedom,
sometimes bring information, bring like revelation,
mothering, fathering, coming alongside like sisters and brothers
in Christ and like helping spur them on, and so it looks very different. So just
don't downplay like what's going on here, like
you know, this is, you know, don't despise
humble beginnings, right? It may look small,
there may be seven people watching your video, there may be,
you know, three people reading your emails, but
you're scaling something and you're building with a tool that can scale
to thousands, and so a lot of this is just
building up you guys and helping you guys
kind of, even in this group and kind of in our Tuesday calls,
just encouraging you guys and helping frame your identity
to then you're even more confident to go out and to reach other people. So
that's what I hope for this community, that this tribe that we have,
that you guys are encouraged to go and do
ministry, to do business, to do this version of church, like
this is kind of what we're all called to go do, and not to have this crazy
separation of like, well Sunday
is this, or this person's really like a pastor, but I'm a business person.
Like that should not be in any of our vocabulary.
Um, you know, we're all kind of built, have our own, uh, pulpit that we're
stepping into inside of our business.
We have social media to speak and preach and to share, uh, you know, a good news.
And so we're leveraging all these, this technology, we've got these, this group.
So we've really, um, set it up for you guys as, as much as possible to be
successful, um, at stepping in and leading in your own, um, your own kind
of pioneering your own, uh, uh, ministry business, um, kind of ministry in the
marketplace.
Yeah.
I see Sally said that that's good.
Um, and, um, for us, like it really came for us around the biggest shifts I would
say in this last six years, like 2019 to today has been figuring out like our
identity, um, and who we are and like also figuring out like who the Lord is.
I know this is like very, very one-on-one, but I'm pretty much sure that any.
Limitations in your ministry, your business, your church growth, whatever
organization you're trying to build is pretty much limited between like what
you think about yourself and what you feel about the Lord in your heart.
Um, and we do a lot of these things with, uh, you know, we work with Keith and,
and, uh, to, to help, we do a lot of heart healing.
We do a lot of, um, digging down and just really getting, um, uh, fathered is
really the word, like just figuring out like, Hey, like as a, as a, someone who
has gone ahead, is it another next generation who has experienced like,
Hey, here's some things where you're, you're, you're missing this, you're missing
that, like this is, and it's not like you're doing your, you should be doing
these three things.
It's just like, Hey, like, do you know that you're loved this way?
Do you know that you're, you know, this is how the Lord sees you.
It's really just shifting identity, um, in a lot of this stuff.
So, um, and those things are crazy because they seem so small and it's like how we
present something to a potential client.
Like it may be too, um, apologetic or we're not being super clear, but like
really it's because like, there's this deep underlying thing where we're not
even valuing ourselves.
Right.
Like this is, this is some of the stuff we've like real talk been, been walking
through in the last kind of year or two is figuring out like, how do we actually
value ourselves, have a correct identity to then share and to open up, um, and
bring people into that.
And it does affect your business in such a crazy way.
Um, because this is, it dictates like how you're, uh, who you work with, like who
you can, uh, who the Lord can trust you with.
Like, it just, it just really opens things up as you start to find more
security in who the Lord is and like who he's called you to be.
And so that has been like, you know, I would say like, like, obviously
the, the, the tactics are amazing.
Like the tech, the technology is crazy.
I can geek out on the AI stuff as you guys know forever.
Um, and, uh, but really the, the most meaningful things that have moved our
business downfield have been, um, this, this, the heart healing, digging in,
like, you know, healing marriage, healing, like our relationship with the Lord,
healing relationship with kids, like, uh, other, you know, uh, you know, extended
family, like there, there's a lot that the Lord has kind of opened up to us to
say, Hey, I actually called you to this really big thing.
Um, and to do this big thing, I'm going to need you to be whole because he, the
Lord cares so much more about me than he does about tribe social.
He cares a lot more about Bruce than he does about Inova studios.
Um, he, and that's, and that's the thing, like we kind of come, I had this
picture, um, this morning about this, that, um, we kind of come to the Lord
with like, like, uh, I had this picture of like Hannah, who's she's for, you
know, if she has a broken toy, she would like come to us and be like, come to me
and be like, Hey dad, like this wheel fell off this little broken toy.
And I was like, this is the picture of us.
Like, Hey, um, Jesus, could you come fix my business?
Like I broke it.
I did something I shouldn't have done.
Like, can you come fix it?
And the Lord's like in this with you, like he is, he's the, it says that
we're equally like we're yoked with Christ in this.
And to me, what this looks like is like, Hey, we're actually driving a car together.
Like we're, he's like right there with me.
We're doing this thing.
We're navigating it like, you know, more of a, a father and son relationship.
Um, and a lot of times we come to the Lord, like, Hey, can you come fix my ministry?
Hey, can you help me promote my thing?
Um, and a lot of times like we're doing, you know, things that like we're breaking
it and we kind of have like different things, like different thoughts, like,
okay, um, something bad happens in the business or something's
not going the way you want.
So we kind of reflect back on us and we're like, okay, how am I going to fix this?
Um, that's kind of the first phase.
And then we kind of realized like, Oh no, you're supposed to be a Christian.
So then you learn like, okay.
Um, okay.
God, how are you going to fix this?
Um, and so, which is also not correct either because the, you know, he can fix it for sure he, he can, but what he's really about is like this relationship piece, like, how do we do this together?
And so the real thing is like, Lord, how are we going to fix this?
And I would be encouraged question.
I encourage you guys to do as you sit down, you know, planning out your week, Monday morning.
Okay.
Like I'm not getting enough leads.
I'm not getting enough traffic.
Okay.
Lord, like, how are we going to fix this this week?
Um, and a lot of those answers will come really in the most simple form possible.
Um, it's really encouraging to see some of you guys doing that and hearing from Lauren.
Hey, I feel Lord's going to ask me to do this.
So you take that step.
Lord's asked me to do this.
You take that step.
That's kind of how you learn this practically is you just get the reps in.
There's no, there's no shortcut here.
There's not like a cheat sheet that I can hand to you guys to do this other than like.
Practice hearing from the Lord on this and having that posture of, okay,
look, we're doing this together.
Like he's God, obviously he can do anything, but he's also has me.
I'm here on earth.
He's given, um, uh, he's given the earth to men, to rule and to, uh, and he wants
to have kingdom brought down to earth.
And he does that through his people.
And so that's what we're here.
I'm here on earth to help bring kingdom to the tech space, to creators,
like that's, that's why I'm here.
Like, and I can help bring the kingdom through me, through my business
to different, a lot of different people.
And it's just, it is just the vehicle.
Um, and I just want to clarify because, um, there's so much more of like a
relational thing that we could miss when we kind of get super fixated and maybe
I'm just preaching to myself and I'm okay with that, uh, but we get super
fixated on like, Hey, this is where, um, this is like, okay, Lord, like it's
Monday, I got to do this thing.
This, this, this, how are we going to fix this?
You know?
And the Lord just like, Hey, let's hang, like, let's just, let's just hang out.
Like, let's, you know, and, um, I'm learning still in this, this phase to
like, how do we take time to just sit and just wait and just kind of love on the
Lord and get into this like encounter atmosphere and then from the encounter,
actually pull that into all the tactics, right?
It's much harder to go from like tactical.
Well, if you get up at seven 30 and then you sit down at your desk at seven 35,
and then you do this, you know, and then you write these three questions down
and you pray this prayer doesn't really work that way.
Um, it's more like, Hey, God is amazing.
This is incredible.
I can't believe we get to do this.
I can't believe he's gifted us with, with all this.
Okay.
Like from this place of just absolute awe and wonder, like, how do I now?
Okay, cool.
It's Monday.
Like, how can we go like, make this better?
Like, how can we go grow this?
And, um, I think that like for some, some of you as well, like the Lord's
upgrading kind of how you see yourself, you see your business, um, because I can
guarantee you that the Lord's vision of you and your business is way beyond what
you currently think it is.
And, um, it, it just is, uh, you know, his vision and his, uh, version of what
the future looks like is, is probably makes our dreams like look really silly.
Um, and, uh, trying to think of a, a good analogy, but there, there was some
things in, um, I remember, uh, when we were first married, like I was telling
someone this, uh, our dream was to like, was to go live in the city.
So we got married, we lived in a little apartment for two years.
Lindsay and I were like, we are city folk.
We want to get out.
We want to go live in the city.
So we like two years in, we like, to us, like a miracle happened.
This like space opened up, the Lord created something really cool for us to
go and we had, we're in this like 19th floor of this building and we got to go
sit there and we're like, you know, I think it was maybe 900 square feet.
Like it was tiny.
And we were like, we have arrived.
Like, this is the thing, like, this is what dreams are made of right here.
And, um, we were like, this is the coolest thing ever.
And, uh, and it was great.
It was, it was really nice.
Um, and then like about a month, a year and a half into that, you know, we got
an, a fellow called us to go to move out of the city, back to the suburbs.
And for the same price we were paying for Midtown, we went all the way to, uh, you
know, outside the perimeter in, in Atlanta.
And, uh, we had like a five bedroom house with like four bathrooms with
like an acre of property and it was like less expensive and we stepped out of
that and said, like, um, as soon as we stepped out, we were like, we were like,
it's so quiet, like, it's so quiet here.
Like, this is actually what we want.
And since then we've been trying to move as far away from cities as possible.
So now we're like really in the countryside of Franklin.
I tell people outside city limits, it's great.
And we're like, one day we're going to be even further away with more property.
Um, but I just say, this is like in the beginning, like our dreams are so small.
Like, it looks so silly now to like, look at like a, that was the thing
that we were like, oh my gosh, if the Lord gave us this, like, this is the most
amazing, and it was, it was the most amazing.
the Lord's like taking us from glory to glory. So don't think like, okay, if I had a hundred people
like sign up for my thing, or if I had, you know, sold 500 books, that would just be like life
changing. And it could be, but just kind of dream with the Lord. Like, Hey, where are we going with
this? Like, what, what are you, what do we have permission to together to do is this yoked thing
is like, Hey, you guys are kind of harnessed together. Like we need to kind of move in step
with the Lord in this. Hey, where are we going? The cool thing is you take one step forward
and then the King of Kings takes another step forward with you. It's way, it's way different
than, than just like, well, Bruce is taking a step, a leap of faith. And Bruce, Bruce has a
ton of faith. It's like, no, no, I'm taking a step, but like, we're in this together, Lord.
Like we are equally like re yoked right here together in this work. And so yeah, so that's
it. I'm trying to keep your, see your comments as well, but that's, that's good. This is, this
is just some things I wanted to share, um, that I, uh, woke up with in my spirit this morning.
And let me just see if I, um, yeah, just that's, that's, it's like how we see ourselves, um,
and how we see our father is going to determine our success and how far we can go. And, um,
the more I'm learning about this, the more healed we're getting, the more, um, like secure in our
identity of who we are, who the Lord is like, then I can kind of see the Lord's like, you know,
giving us more and more favor in certain, in certain things. Um, and, uh, I also think that
like, there is a, there is like a, a necessary, this is like a little bit more of a, um, mature
like conversation, but with this at, with this space of us being like, um, okay, we're totally
loved. We're totally accepted. There's nothing we need to do it ever again, to be more loved by
Christ. Um, there's this thing of like learning the tactics and the muscle and the skills kind of
on the, on the, the, on earth to like, to make, to make this go, um, even better. So you're learning
marketing, you're learning how to do social media, you're learning how to build a landing page.
You're learning how to set up a community. Like these are like, like, these are the things you
kind of have to learn. Um, because it's going to build you up. It's going to make you smarter.
It's going to make you better. It's not like, um, these are kind of life skills, um, how you speak
to people, how you communicate, how we, how we're on camera. I mean, these are great skills to, to,
that are worth like pursuing in 2025. We can't stress that enough. Like being able to get on a
camera and like talk to people and present and speak clearly, uh, and communicate. These are
necessary, no matter like what you're doing, like almost no matter what business you're in, whatever,
uh, niche you're trying to serve, this is going to serve you. Um, so these are things that like,
we just have to kind of do. So this, it's not that we're in a toil. I know Lindsay talked a lot about
toil. I think you guys are, are, um, you know, seeing, seeing the difference here. And, um,
but if there is like this exercising, it's building this muscle, it's building this muscle
of like being, um, you know, I say disciplined, but I mean that in the most holy way possible.
Like, it's like, okay, cool. I'm going to like pursue these things because the Lord's called me
to be this, which means like, I have to like, there's some like learning I have to do to,
to get to that point. Like if Lord's like, Hey, I'm called to go fly an airplane. Great. I think
that my passengers would love for me to have my pilot's license. If that's going to happen,
not just, Hey guys, like Lord's called me and I'm just going to do it. Like I see a lot of
entrepreneurs, not you guys, but like other entrepreneurs I see like on social media who
are like, Hey, I'm just doing this thing. Lord told me to do this. I'm quit my job. I did this
thing. I I'm, I'm off on, you know, in the deep end and we're like, that's, that's great. But
like, how does your spouse feel about that? Like, how does your kids feel like, like, I think there's,
there is like this like discipline piece of it that I feel like Lord's got, and I'm not
disqualifying any of that. And always, if you feel led to do those things, do those things.
That is, if you, if you're in the coaching world and you guys are helping coach people as well,
quickly learned that the ACE card for anyone to pull something out is the Lord told me to do this
thing. There's nothing that you can say your spouse, it's supersedes all levels of authority.
And all you can say is, well, if that's what the Lord says, you should, you should do that. Okay.
This is just like a little side, um, like a hack on coaching, but there are people who,
you know what I'm saying here is like, we feel like called to the thing, but we don't actually
want to do the work to get there. And I feel like part of that journey is not just like, well, cool,
Lord, I'm going to go off here and do all the work and I'll, I'll be right back in six months.
No, it's like, obviously he's with you in the work, like learning it, kind of exploring this whole
thing of, of creation together. So there's actually like, that's actually part of the
journey and not just writing that off. So, um, I was helpful. I haven't seen all the comments,
um, but I'd love to hear some feedback, um, that's helped you.
took any takeaways.
There's a lot of comments here, so I'll skim them.
But yeah, any quick thoughts?
I'm always one to comment on things, guys,
that I'm not afraid to go out there.
I'll tell you where I'm at, Bruce.
This identity thing is key,
and I'm actually kind of pausing seed to deed.
To get back to my identity, or get to,
which I've never had this identity, I think.
I've signed up with this body, soul, and spirit group
called Faithfully Guided, and getting some counseling.
And we're going through some of the trauma
that I've had in my life that I've never grieved over.
And I'll be honest with you guys,
I don't know how to love.
You gotta love yourself,
but I really don't know how to love others.
I decide to love somebody,
but I don't have the feelings that come with it.
And you don't have to have feelings to go with it.
So before I go try to help anyone,
I feel like I need to get some solid ground
underneath of me, and I'm doing the work to do that,
to make all of that happen.
So that's kind of where Robin Butler is today.
That's exciting, yeah.
I think you're making all the right steps.
I mean, you're right.
It does, finding out that we love those,
but also the Lord loves us,
seeing us through that being the starting point.
And yeah, I think that's the tough thing
when you are an entrepreneur,
and you're already kind of built differently, right?
This is not the easy way out to go,
to be an entrepreneur.
It's like someone said,
the entrepreneur's logic is like,
why would you go work for someone else
for 40 hours a week,
when you can go and work 100 hours a week
for half the earnings, right?
It's like, yeah, no, this is way better.
But it's like, I think the Lord's,
there's like a, you do have a very thick skin.
And so something we're learning as well
is like, we don't take time to deal with
things that have happened, trauma, stuff.
And there's a, this is not,
I heard someone else say,
I think it was Bill Johnson said,
like trauma is, it's like cumulative.
So like you're at like a level zero,
then you go to a two out of 10,
then it's like a three out of 10
and something else happens,
it goes to a six,
something else happens,
it goes to a nine.
And then all of a sudden like,
something very small happens,
and then it's just like everything sort of unpacks.
It's like it bursts essentially at that point.
And so I think that's something as a leader
is to find those friends,
those mentors that you can be vulnerable with
and to share.
Keith Fronte has a new book on friendship,
which I highly recommend.
If you guys are,
unless you just like have so many
incredible, amazing friends that you just can't.
And I think like every millennial and older
is like, yeah, I could use,
I could probably use more friends.
You know, some kingdom friends.
It's a great, great book.
Lindsay and I are just going through it now.
But having those people to process
and to talk things through
and to kind of figure out how you feel about it.
Because we as entrepreneurs,
we just want to like blow right through that thing.
Like, yep, I can just,
I got a thick skull.
Like I can just keep pushing through to the next thing.
That's part of the way the Lord made you as well.
Like don't even be shameful of that.
Like there's something the Lord crafted you for that,
to have that thick skin so you can take ground.
But there's also this thing,
like he doesn't really care about you.
It's not just about like doing a bunch of things for him
and then dying.
So that's not the goal, right?
So that's great.
I think Bruce, it's also more,
I have, we learned,
I don't know whether you guys have,
but I have learned how to use marketing
and how to use business to get what I want.
You know, I use people,
but I manipulate people by telling them,
you know, what they want,
giving them what they want,
to manipulate them to get what I want.
And I want to be able to come from a place of,
I don't care about the money.
I just want to help you get to point A,
from point A to point B.
And I'm not there.
You know, I'm still, you know,
what's in it for me kind of a thing.
And then I'll put some effort into it.
So I need to get that sorted out
before I could really go out and serve anybody else.
That's my thought.
Yeah.
We've had similar things.
It's almost like, uh, we we've heard it said, like, it's like almost like
there's like this fear of punishment.
Like, if I do this thing, I do this contract, like I probably going to miss
something and I'm going to get punished for it.
Right.
And there's like, Oh, I don't want to tell this person this thing.
Cause they may, you know, that's not what they want to hear.
And then I'll get punished for it.
Uh, it's like this, it's just like a weird thing, but it comes back to those.
That, that like heart stuff that you've, you've experienced.
And it's, again, it's not like, Oh, this one crazy event happened.
It's probably like, Oh, this is how this worked for 20 years.
And now we're trying to undo that and find healing.
And so, so, um, yeah, I think I want to, uh, you know, the best thing,
like you're the most valuable asset of your entire business, no matter what.
So you growing in these skills, the, the, you know, tactical
stick skills, the heart stuff.
You could close your business tomorrow and you would still have all
this ground that you've taken.
You could just start the next ones.
Like you've like you've, uh, mastered, you know, levels one through nine in
business, and now you could close that business and start a brand new one
and launch something new, and you'd be starting at level 10 and just keep
building upward to 15, 16, 17.
Um, you don't revert back to the very beginning because you already, you
know, mastered this level of, or this level of healing or whatever.
So you're taking ground kind of internally more than anything
and learning all these skills.
And, uh, yeah, that's, that's the most valuable thing is like, that's why I
think the Lord so much values us in that because we, um, as strong leaders and
entrepreneurs, we're like, but the business, like the business is really
the valuable thing, like it's, it's valuable.
It's like, no, it's like actually you're valuable and you get to
like lead this thing the Lord's given you.
So it's good.
Cool.
Um, yeah.
Any other, anyone else, how do you guys feel in anything stuck out to
you, the Lord's speaking to you guys?
I, um, do you guys hear, yeah.
Okay.
Um, well, I also, I just really appreciate Robin's openness.
I just want to say that I think that's really beautiful and, uh,
it really does a lot too.
So, um, but, uh, I just want to say that it's just so weird, but this whole
thing about, you know, doing, building the muscle and everything and that kind of
thing, and then learning new things in the world, it's like, that's really ringing
true for me.
And I've kind of talked about that a little bit past couple of weeks, two
months, but I just think it's so crazy that he said to talk about that now.
And, and, uh, you know, like even Pedro would kind of started with Pedro.
The first time he came on, when he said like, you know, I think God
wants to change something in you.
Um, and he was talking about like that.
He was financially secure before he started to pioneer something.
And for me, that was like such a, I knew I needed to do that.
And I was just really afraid to like, kind of start having a normal job because I
just felt like I couldn't do it, but I still had to rely on God and anyway, but
so all of that has really been big for me learning to, uh, do this sort of downstairs
stuff, if I can use Papa fun gels.
Yeah.
So that's great.
Yes.
Um, it is.
Yeah, absolutely.
And how do you guys feel?
What do you guys feel for, for where you're at right now in 2025 or
kind of halfway through the year?
Well, like in general or like, yeah, I just, I mean, um, how do you guys
feel like you're growing in that?
Yeah, well, I, I feel like it's just, that's like the name in the game for me
for the past couple of months is kind of like muscle growth, but not, you know,
literally, but being like super tired and then thinking, I think I'm actually
on the right track and then having like this rest period and then thinking, man,
I can, I think I can handle more now.
Um, and also kind of coming into this place of peace about, about
really giving a lot of the stuff.
I don't know.
It's like, I had to sort something out in my heart beforehand about the kind of
business end or entrepreneur end.
Cause for me, it was kind of like a way out.
Um, so I did, I didn't have to rely on God in a lot of ways, which may sound weird,
but, but anyway, I feel like, uh, I feel like it's going in a very good direction
for me, so awesome.
That's great.
Um, yeah, I think, I think even just, uh, part of that as well, like you talk
about friends, but it's kind of being in the atmosphere of where people are growing.
Um, so I said, like first, first nine years of our business, we didn't, we didn't have any community other than church.
Like we had, we had church, you know, relationships, but being around like a very niche group of people that are all kind of going the same thing is very inspiring because you're seeing other people grow, you see other people are vulnerable, they're learning things, they're growing.
Um, that is like, we're not supposed to do this alone, I think is the key.
I mean, we're doing it with the Lord, of course, but I think the Lord's giving us communities like this to, to help and, um, which is awesome for you guys right now, but I would say, like, the upgrade in how we think about this is like, all of you are going to create your own communities for other people to experience something like this, like you've experienced in a tribe of, of some other group, just imagine, like, there's tens of thousands of people out there that are going to be impacted by, you know, the 10 people on this call.
Um, and I think that you're going to think a little bigger and like, kind of also think through like, Hey, these people need to be reached, they need to be loved, they need to be feel included.
Um, so those that's potentially down, like, you know, not tomorrow, but you know what I'm saying?
It's, it's, it's like, the Lord's called us to some big stuff here, um, and really impact people in a big way.
And, um, I've also seen like, like, um, I, I, there's no such thing of like, uh, I've never seen a story of anyone on anything in social media or online where they just like did it in the first few weeks.
Then just like, all of a sudden it took off.
It's, it's like, typically like nothing for like the longest time.
And then all of a sudden it's like, just vertical.
Um, there's a great meme about that, which I wouldn't have time to find, but it's, uh, um, I, I feel like for, for you guys, like, as you're dreaming big about it, don't think like, well, it's taking me six months to get to this many followers or impact or sales now, like just, you're extrapolating it forward that it doesn't, the kingdom economy doesn't really work that way.
Um, so if you're thinking like, Hey, I've got this many years left, you know, on earth, this is where I'm like, I'm, I'm kind of like, I need to, you know, uh, there's some urgency.
It's like, this stuff can change.
Um, I shared that, that person, I think it was with Brad or one of the talks, but we saw this, like the, um, the granny DJ person.
Did you see this person?
She's like 3 million followers on Instagram.
And, uh, there's just these people and, and all of them, there was just like, they were not there.
And then all of a sudden they had a hundred thousand followers, like in a week, you know, this stuff happens like all the time.
Um, there was a, did I tell you guys a story a little bit about the Trump and Elon?
Did we talk about that?
I'm going to talk about it, but, uh, we're not going to get into politic politics, but, but Trump, Elon, like got into a TIF or something like a month or two ago on X, uh, on the X like Twitter platform.
And basically like it escalated to where like, it was just the two of them like commenting and there's like hundreds of millions of people like viewing this like post.
And this one guy with 117 followers was like, I think you both need to take a few days and cool off.
And Elon responds to him.
And it's like, good advice.
We'll do, well, we won't do any of those things we said.
And someone screenshotted it and I'll, I'll, I'll find it.
Cause it's just the greatest thing on social media ever.
And it was like, how did someone with 117 followers just, you know, help like give advice to the two most like powerful, potentially powerful people on earth.
And it's just such a great sign of like, Hey, we're just going to give you like these little like sniper rifle things to put in.
And that guy has like 50,000 followers now.
And he, all he said was that one tweet.
And he's been like tweeting for years, like for a decade, he's been tweeting and he had a hundred people following him.
And I was just like, this is just the funniest thing.
Um, like what, what a time to be alive.
Um, so anyway, if I find it, I'll, I'll put it in the, in the community.
The goal is not to have a whole bunch of followers.
I think, I think the goal is to say something that's valuable and the followers, the followers
come, you know, I think our, our, our eyes need to be on, you know, not, I want a hundred thousand
followers, but I want to have some meaning and impact that is valuable.
So that people want to follow me.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, it's, it's kind of a chicken and egg thing.
Like you're going to say meaningful things and then followers will come or like followers
will come and then there's more people to hear what you have to say.
So it's a kind of a snowball, um, effect.
Sure.
Good, good, good.
Okay.
Any other feedback thoughts, or we can jump into hot seats.
We've got 20 minutes to go.
So we've got plenty of time.
We can do one or two.
I'm happy to share on your question about the first half of the year versus the second
half of the year.
I am massively watching God take ground in so many spaces.
I happen to be blessed to be part of 12 groups, this is one of them, and to see him move in
four nations, because that's what I'm involved in, so UK, I suppose Netherlands, and I'll
kind of pop you in with the UK and Europe in there, and Australia, New Zealand, and
obviously the US, and I'm watching him do the same thing wherever he is, and he is rising
up within us, it's the Holy Spirit that is doing the work, and people are really aware
and they're looking for something real, and we're about to go into our fourth school in
our area for Jesus Club, and it can be called whatever you want to call it, but it's the
students that are asking to have this time with Jesus in their lunch hours together.
So there is, it's so exciting to watch and see, and watch who he has positioned, so I've
just connected with the headmistress in the school, and that's going in like literally
next to him, it's all going to start happening, and we've started up City Prayer, and so we're
watching, because one of the things we prayed for was that the students, it would come from
within, it would come from, and the wave, and the fountains that we've got, he's shown us
strategic places within the city that are fountains of living water, and how they pour,
they're pouring out into that space. So he's changing things up, peace and rest, gathering
together, taking ground, connecting, and it's Holy Spirit Christians that are meeting together,
it's those that are filled and on fire, and yeah, so that's kind of, and for me this is all
preparation, this is all, let's get the tech done, so I'm about to go away, I won't be on the call
next week, we're in Australia for a week, and I'm going to use some of that time to get all the tech
done, because I'm away from everything else that I need to do, so yes we're on holiday to see family,
yes we'll do some stuff, but I need to get the tech sorted, so that I can then invite,
you know, so that the audio of the book is done, the pdf's been done, the second edition is back,
it's done, and so we're just pulling this stuff together, and the exciting thing for the second
half is collaboration, and that's the key word for me, we've got a time to love, so I'm working
with someone else who's a heart healer, and we're going to do a course together, and we're also,
Jesse and I are, who helped me write my book, we're doing Beauty from Ashes, and so it is a
collaborative book for those who want to do it, so it's like this has been the cocoon time, that
let's get it all worked out time, and then these beautiful butterflies are going to be released.
Yeah, anything else halfway through the year you guys are
just thinking through like the next, like if I had picked out what the last six months would
have looked like, the six months before that, I would have got everything wrong, so I'm just kind of like
taking it one week at a time at this point, so yeah, it's been very different, but it's been
great, it's been awesome, it's gonna be a great year. Yeah, Jennifer, I reiterate everything you said,
and Robin, I appreciate what you shared, that I think, I don't know if it was like that couple
months ago, or you know, after kind of our session, where we were working through stuff,
I think I just realized like my dream is too small, and I've been rereading the book like 10x is
you know, easier than 2x, and then if you've gone to scaling.com, as Sally had me, you know, watch
that video, and I started to realize like, wait a minute, like all of my dreams are too small, and so
I'm just using old mindset, or old ways of doing things to go after them, and I'm seeing marginal
success, like I hit my minimum budget goal, and you know, things like that, but there hasn't been a
lot of life like in what I'm doing, or excitement, and so God has had me, like Robin said, like take
June off, to just really focus on my identity, and my mindset, and my well-being, like kind of body,
and mind, and like who I am, and what my goals are, and you know, basically what's come out of it is
like, okay, these are some very different like ideas of like what I was originally planning to do,
and so this month, you know, he has me kind of on another, you know, I'm working with Jesse,
who Sally mentioned, for book writing this month, and you know, I hit like major breakthrough
with some things like personally, and other stuff, and so I don't know, like I feel like June and
July is kind of this reset month, but it's almost like you said, like it's like you kind of
feel like you're going down, but it's so that you can go even higher than like where you wanted.
to go. And so much of it has to come from identity and mindset.
And like, are we really believing like what God has for
us and about the relationship piece? So 100% I mean, I thought
I'd be a lot farther along than where I am now. But I think it's
because like you said, he wants to take me on a different path
or a different mountain that I've been climbing. And I think
it's owning I think for me, it was like, Oh, I'm on the path to
become a life coach. And God's like, No, you're on the path to
become a CEO, and you need to knock it off and like actually
go after what I called you to do. And I'm like, Oh, okay,
like, we're gonna do this. And you all saw it. But like, I was
kind of fighting against the like business aspect of, you
know, working for big business and company and stuff. And now
I'm getting excited about it. And you know, how to launch more
of an executive, like, you know, high end kind of thing, you
know, more in the fall, and, but it had to take me to see myself
that way, you know, not just on the, like, job side, but on the
identity side.
That's awesome. I love that. Yeah, it is. I think that Yeah,
for sure. The CEO thing. I think that then you're working with
the executives that that all feels right on point, I think
for you. And it's funny, because like, like, we're always like,
Yeah, I thought that's what you said six months ago, like
everybody. But people always say that about me on something. I'm
like, yeah, but I didn't really wasn't maybe in my head, but not
like it wasn't settled into my heart as far as like, feeling
like, okay, like, this is actually what the Lord's called
me to, or maybe we feel like hesitant to like, or that I
think as well in Christian circles, we're like, trying to
be too humble, a lot of times, and we're like, Oh, but that
seems like we're being greedy, or we're wanting to make a
certain amount of money, or we're trying to do this. And
like a really good Christian would be super humble and not
want those things. But I think there's like a holy version of
this, of course, that that's submitted to the Lord. And
that's great. But I think I think, yeah, I think it'll be a
good so do you what do you feel for like the rest of the year?
Do you think it's? Is there something specific you want to
see happen or launched? Or?
Yeah, I mean, I'm still praying about it. I mean, I feel like I
have an idea, I just want to make sure like, you know, God
and I are partnered with it. I'm focused this next month, I'm
kind of writing a book that I'm trying to finish up. And then
I'm hoping to launch, you know, kind of an executive type women
master group mastermind kind of in the fall, but more kind of
high end than what I was originally wanting, you know,
less life coaching and more kind of business coaching. And so
yeah, like, I think it's gonna launch, but I'm gonna wait till
my kids go back to school. And then, you know, kind of launch
it then really just be in mom mode and say yes, this summer to
a lot of fun things with my kids. So I think it's a little
TBD, but I kind of have this, you know, six month runway and
just waiting for God to release me. He's been telling me not to
be posting on social media very much, which is like, what I just
did that 30 days. And he's like, Yeah, you did it. It's possible.
But now like you need to work on you and stop creating for
content, like create for you and like healing. And so I'm like,
okay, just being obedient to that. So
love it. That's great. Very cool.
citing stuff. That's good. totally, totally endorse the
spend the summer with the family. That's, we're learning
as well that like, just prior to even in like a given week of
like, I could potentially get 30 40% more done. You know, if I
just like cut out certain time with with the family or kids
like, but that's just not that's not again, there's that's kind
of getting into the toil piece of like, yeah, we could get it
done this month, but like actually feel like the Lord's
wanting this and like, that's actually better for your family
right now. So yeah, just being is really is listening to the
Holy Spirit on that stuff. Because, you know, that that is
the the key. It's like that that's what will help lead you
especially week to week, because there's gonna be other times
where like, hey, it's actually go time. And like, we've done
that as a family and we'll be like, hey, this this week is
like we're launching something like I'm going to be working
later at night, I'm gonna be working maybe some on the
weekends. And then, you know, we put them we sort of make up
for it. So make that the norm. So very good. Okay, anyone else
have we have like another 10 minutes, we can still share or
we can also get tactical as well. I know we kind of dove
deep in here. Yeah, I think one thing I heard Pedro talk about
on another group was just like the second half of it is really
not about doing new things. It's honestly it is about
cutting back. It's like the second half of the year is
really like, how do I get more clear? It's not like, well, I
got some of those things that I wanted to let me go add 10 more.
It's really like, how do we do less of the things and even
finding something
things in your work, your life, what you're trying to build,
that you can actually say, I'm not doing that anymore.
For some of you guys that may be like,
hey, I'm going to do this thing on YouTube,
but I'm not going to post every week.
I'm not posting anything right now consistently
on any channels.
We're attempting to get consistent about YouTube,
but it's been a fun journey.
But it's just kind of like, hey, for this season,
for where we're at, this is what we can do,
and just kind of making do with that.
So you don't necessarily have to have a podcast
and a video on YouTube, and five shorts going out every week,
and an email newsletter, and a text campaign.
Just you pick one of those things
that you feel is right for the season,
and you just do that one thing, or none of the things,
and you do something else.
There's plenty of time, as well, to go solve,
kind of figure out what you should be doing,
like taking things out and clearing that,
again, listening to the Lord on that.
But especially as entrepreneurs,
we kind of have the shiny object thing.
I have like, we have this prophetic AI app
that I built like two years ago, and it's sitting there,
and now we have designs finished for it.
And I just like, I can't start it.
I can't start that thing until I do these other things.
And it's just sitting there.
I'm like, but all the people we could help.
And we keep saying, we got to build the app.
We got to build this app.
And so we haven't done it yet.
But I'm just like being disciplined.
I was like, if I do that,
now I'm like going to try to be doing three things
sort of well, but instead of just doing one thing
all the way.
So, very good.
Awesome.
Cool.
Anything else we can help you guys with?
I mean, just let you guys go.
Good.
Going on.
One quick thing, because I'm an old fart,
and I can talk from my kids leaving home.
You know, you do not get this time back.
So I'm really proud of Jennifer for listening to God
and just having her time with her kids in this holidays,
because it won't be long.
It'll be like next week and they will be going,
see ya, bye.
And you know, work can wait,
but you don't get this time back.
So just my encouragement is to,
the best thing you ever do is build the next generation.
So that's just my little granny.
Thanks.
That's good.
Love it.
All right.
I had a couple of questions about where you see
Tribe going in the future.
Like not Tribe group, but the app.
One of the things I just took away from the 30 day challenge
was kind of this jointedness of all the different
like apps and softwares and things
and how cumbersome everything was.
Not to be mean, but it was a lot of work, right?
To do like posts here and there and everywhere.
And so I've seen some different softwares out there
and some different, you know, ideas
and just kind of wanted to run some stuff by you.
Like the ability to do email directly from the app.
Is that like a future thing?
And then directly like DMs, like with the app to where,
like, is that going to be integrated in there too?
At some point?
The direct DMs?
Yeah.
Like there's a way to where like,
if someone like DMs you, it can automatically.
Oh, like auto replies.
Yeah.
Like a bot.
Okay.
Right.
Yeah.
That could be cool.
Yeah.
We just added the like group messaging stuff.
Yeah.
I think there's like some,
yeah, there's a lot of vision for it.
We are a very healthy constraint on Tribe
is that we said that we would not like invest more money
than it brings in.
So we're going at exactly the speed
of how much money is coming in for that.
And we just reinvest all of it pretty much.
So it's, I have a thousand things I want it to do.
Speaking of trying to cut back
on being really good at a few things.
Part of it is we started with like
much bigger organizations that already had email tools
that already had all this other infrastructure in place,
CRMs and things like that with hundreds of thousands
of users.
And so we weren't going to try like build a CRM.
So now that we're in building what we've done
in for pioneers and using a single group,
it's like all these other things would be kind of nice
to have an all-in-one.
And so it's a little bit different of a path.
So we're definitely open to it.
And any ideas you guys have,
like if you see something on another app,
like drop it in, you know, make a little video or whatever,
drop it in the feed and we can tag it as a feature request.
But yeah, we have a lot of ideas.
I'd love to see what you guys are thinking.
Because it really matters,
especially when you're coming off of a challenge,
you're like, hey, it would have been nice to have this
or to have that.
And some of the things that you're asking for
are actually like very, very easy.
To do and something maybe a little bit harder. So, um, uh, sometimes there's some easy things like, oh, we just added this button and you can do this thing. Like, that's actually solves the problem. Um, so we're worth like, uh, digging into that as well.
Cool. Yeah. Send it, send any ideas. Okay.
Cool.
Awesome guys. Well, we'll let you go. And, um, Macy's doing an, a call in an hour or two or two hours, I think. Um, so you guys are welcome to hang out there if you need more tactical stuff, but good to see all of you and we'll, uh, we'll catch up soon. See ya.