became believers in that church. So that's the story. But that made me think about generational
blessings, right? Both of their parents and grandparents were Pentecostal believers,
but they had just totally angered to God, and then God brought them back. So it was a cool...
Wow. David's just sharing with us his faith origin story from his parents' salvation
experience. So welcome to Monday, November 3rd, Men's Heart Check-in. So recording this now.
Thanks for sharing with us, David. That's a pretty awesome story.
We should have probably recorded that, but it's all right. We'll get it another time.
You'll probably end up writing a book or something about it someday. I could see that.
Maybe. So guys, welcome, Bob and David, David Wright, Sean, Matthew Silverman, John,
or Dorothy. Good to see you guys here. What is going on? Who wants to start off a little bit?
If you got something to share, got something to talk about, something... Bob had a great question
for us last week, and so we kind of went off on that a little bit. But what have you got going on?
Who wants to update us? Anybody? Everybody? All day long.
Bob's coming on camera.
Okay, you're unmuted. You're good, Bob.
Okay. Again, this is only my second session here, right? So I'm still going through the book
and the series of weeks and going through this. And I know last week I had to question, I guess,
it's like this Heart Check for me, at least, going through this is I'm supposed to be addressing a
question, I guess, each week as I go through my check-ins. So I guess for this week, the one I was
looking at now for week two for me was, you know, have I lost hope in any area of my life? And
when I talk about this area of life, what do I say about it? So part of the reason I'm here, I guess,
is I have become discouraged at this point in somewhat, you know, my hope is lessened,
is really the chance for a healthy kind of relationship with a good or godly Christian
woman, right? So my own journey is kind of a little bit, it took me quite a while to get
back into my faith. You know, it wasn't until I was in my 50s that I was raised Catholic and
my father was Baptist. He was a Bible reader, but I didn't. It was really a series of things,
but led me up to kind of a crisis point in my life in my 50s and mid 50s. And I had to make
some decisions. And I went back to church and did some things and got baptized again. And
all that. So post all that was like coming out of that because my marriage was not a Christian
marriage. But coming out of it, it's like, okay, God, I've gone through all this. I really would
like this opportunity now to, you know, have to be a good husband to a godly Christian woman,
right? So back of my life on things, you know, there's, you know, you look at the childhood
stuff and the things that affected me, there was a fear of rejection and abandonment,
feeling unworthy within my family. So these things are kind of like the things that were,
I guess, what Jackie would call the fruits, right? But the things from like,
the things are put upon me in my youth and stuff. And, you know, the influence to me
throughout my life, right? And I did do counseling and stuff throughout my life. But, you know,
it was wasn't really until I hit the crisis point in my 50s, where I started really
having to address these things more head on. And I came out of that stuff. And so now,
I just also came out of a two year, not just actually, I was in a two year relationship,
I finally thought I had the woman who was the Christian woman I had prayed for coming into my
life. We're in a two year relationship. And that ended about two years ago, a little over two years
ago now. But it was, because it ended, and because I thought this was an answer to prayer,
it kind of set me back, right? It kind of started bringing up these feelings, again,
being unworthy of not, you know, being rejected.
abandoned and I'm now in this kind of place of, well, you know,
where are you God? I, I, this wasn't supposed to be where I was landing.
You know, I, I recently retired.
So now I'm like, God, I thought at this point in my life,
I was going to have this Christian partner with me. I was gonna be, you know,
riding off into my sunset here. And now I ended my career.
I'm kind of lacking a purpose post post retirement now. Like, okay, God,
I feel like I'm, so I guess the question now is like the second part of that
question. I talk about this area of my life. What am I saying? It's like,
I don't know what's going on, you know? Um,
so I really kind of have to kind of reorient myself
to like pull those fruits out by the roots,
those kind of satanic type thoughts out by the roots and kind of really replace
them with the true identity I have. Right.
And start to bring that back to the forefront for me and start to,
you know, come back to still pursuing what I hope to be.
The last part of my life would be to be involved with a nice Christian woman so
I can, you know, I, like I said, I think I had a decent career.
I think I'm a good father, a good relationship with my kids. Yet I still,
the one failure I can see would be relationally. Right.
And it's the thing I want to close on.
So that's kind of where I am in all this.
So it's going back to the question where I lost hope would have been largely in,
in a relationship with a godly Christian woman.
And the things I talk about and what I say about it,
it's really just a struggle I have with kind of some of these old feelings
coming back up about, Hey, I'm being abandoned again. You know, God,
where are you in all this? And what's my way forward? Is it too late for me?
Yeah. Yeah. Um,
I'm just posting the question there from the instructions in part two there.
So just so everybody knows what the question is. Um, yeah.
When you say that you didn't have a Christian marriage, what do you,
what do you mean exactly by that?
Well, there's a good story here, but I'll try to answer.
The short answer is I was raised Catholic, uh, in my twenties.
I lapsed even go into Catholic churches. Um,
I lived a bit of a party and lifestyle in my twenties and kind of settled
down. Um, and my father died when I was 30. He was, he was Baptist.
And he had read the Bible. So when I was 30, when I first finally said, you know,
let me read the Bible, what was he reading this for? And I, um,
read it end to end twice. Um, I, I didn't quite get,
I didn't go to a Bible study, just read it. Right.
So I didn't get the concept of grace and I just basically said, look,
I'll never going to be this good. I can't do this. I'll do the best I can.
I hope that's kind of good enough.
So I ended up entering marriage with somebody who was not a Christian. Um,
and even though I would say on our first, um, Christmas together,
I shared with her a Bible as a Christmas gift. I said, you know,
even though I don't go to church,
this is still something that's important to me as a foundation. Right.
But she wasn't. And in fact, at, as the marriage deteriorated,
um, and got worse is when I went back to the Bible and I just like think thought
was God, if you resurrected dead, help me resurrect this marriage. Right.
Cause it wasn't what I signed up to do enter, you know, leave a marriage.
And this was now about 20 year marriage. So, um,
in the end, it's also one of the things she held,
basically held against me was I was becoming too Christian. So,
so she didn't like that part of it. No. Okay. That's interesting. Um, you know,
cause I mean, um, I,
and the reason I asked that question because I just, I'm just,
just curious to me, like when somebody says it's not a Christian marriage,
does that mean someone is,
isn't a believer in the marriage or whether that was just,
we're just two people who are married, but we're not really following, you know,
Christ in terms of our, you know, um, our, our faith development,
our develop, you know, our, our, our better selves, if you will.
So it's just really interesting. I didn't want to clarify on that, but, um,
so then you're saying also that that was part of,
as you're returning back to some sort of faith,
that was then a deal breaker for her eventually in the marriage. Did she,
was she the one that wanted to break the marriage or you or both or she did?
She did. I was trying for about two years.
I was trying to recommit myself to this marriage. Interesting. Yeah.
And it was finally, it was actually,
it was on a Valentine's day and I got no response to anything.
I gave my daughter's flowers and gifts and I gave her something.
Let me ask you this. What, I mean, did your wife love you?
Um, once you're married,
when you're married, yeah, of course. Yes.
It seems like a loaded question. It's not loaded question.
It's just kind of like.
You know, when two people come together,
and I'm going somewhere with this,
because there's the whole original faith,
you know, obviously we're believers,
we think everybody should be believers,
but there are people that are married, that are in love,
that are, you know, in love with each other
as much as they know love,
and they're committed to the marriage relationship
because they're in a healthy, good, you know, marriage,
and they're not really believers.
And so obviously it doesn't require you to believe in Jesus
in order to have a successful marriage,
because relationship,
it still goes back to God,
because in the end, we as humans, we as creations of God,
you know, our primary purpose is relationship.
It just so happens that the people
who aren't necessarily followers of Jesus per se
in their faith, out loud, even in private, whatever,
but yet have successful marriages
are simply individuals that know how to have relationship.
Not that everybody else doesn't know
how to have relationships,
but something I saw the other day, it was a meme,
and it, I can't remember, I can't quote it exactly,
but it was talking about long-term relationships,
like 30 years plus type of relationships,
or that made it 30, 40, 50 years, that kind of thing.
And it was espousing some secrets,
like what is the secrets of this?
And part of it was that when you get into marriage,
there becomes the time where you start to sort of like
get on each other's nerves, and real life sets in,
and you're beyond the honeymoon period,
and you're in midlife, and the stressors of life
are really starting to sort of set in,
especially if you've been married,
if you're gonna be married 30, 40, 50 years,
you probably got married a little bit younger, you know?
So what I'm saying is, is that at some point,
marriage is like this,
where, you know, it really begins to challenge you
as a person, each person, man and woman,
and the marriages that last are the ones
that aren't trying to set every record straight
every moment, every day.
They're the ones that give the space and the length of time
for a lot of those things to be worked out.
And there's also a certain level of acceptance,
for who the other person is.
There's so many people in marriage,
and this, again, has nothing to do
whether you're a follower of Jesus,
or whether you're a good Christian person, or whatever,
this is just humans, creations,
humans that are created in the image of God
for relationships, so there is a God quotient in there, okay?
But there comes a time where, you know,
the refinement of the relationship, especially in marriage,
which is the ultimate of all relationships,
it becomes very difficult,
and the ones who navigate it well
are the ones that give plenty of room
for each person to be developed.
And there's a temptation in marriage,
men and women both kind of have the same,
maybe not necessarily to equal balances
in any given marriage,
but there's a lot of things that happen in marriage
where the wife is trying to change the husband,
and wish he was different,
and wish he would change his ways,
and vice versa, where the husband's like,
oh, I wish he was not like this and that,
and this really drives me crazy,
and a lot of these are the basis of the conflicts
in this ultimate relationship we call marriage.
All of that is very normal.
That's because that's what relationship is,
that's what marriage is, you know?
And the ones that, so like,
it's funny because we have a young man
who recently just got married in our program,
and he'd been a long time in this program,
and it was one of those stories that's like,
man, you know, I wish Nathan, man,
could find the right girl,
and you know, just, you know,
it's one of those like later in life sort of stories
where he finally found somebody,
fell in love, and they got married,
and we've heard back from him,
I think it's been about a year,
or they're definitely in their first year,
and all of a sudden, he's disappointed.
He's on the verge of maybe like,
oh, I don't know if this is gonna work,
almost to the point of kind of like,
say it, but I don't think I want this, you know, this marriage anymore. And we're like, oh, Nathan,
well, why? Like, why in the world? He goes, well, it seems like we go for a couple of weeks
and everything's fine. And then something, something comes up and there's a conflict and
it's just like not working out. And it's like, it happens over and over and over again. And we're
like, Nathan, that's marriage, brother. That is, that is relationship, my dear friend. That is
the essence. I mean, that's kind of like, you can't really avoid that. And I'm not,
I'm not really making this point because I want to be negative. I'm just saying that,
um, you know, the, the marriage relationship is the most refining and it's the best relationship
because of that refinement, because of that ability to bring out the best in you.
And so that is where your mindset needs to be as you're approaching, you know,
going down this path of wanting marriage, wanting to be in relationship.
One of the things that we are now being tasked with, I think as a movement, I think the Lord
is really kind of revealing this is that we have to start really amplifying the, the benefits,
the greatness, the beauty of marriage. Um, like how great it is, even though it is challenging,
how great it is because there's a generation coming up where, you know, they they're coming
back to these traditional values. Um, generation Z, if you will, the Z generation is, um,
getting married at a, at a higher rate than the previous generation, the, um, millennials.
And, um, millennials just are just decided that marriage wasn't going to be, um,
you know, a strong, a strong desire in their generation for a number of different reasons.
And there's a lot of statistics that go into that, but there's a revival of marriage and our
movement, um, is tasked with really making marriage popular marriage, making marriage,
great, making marriage exciting. And, um, we're going to be talking about a lot of the things that,
that, uh, that make marriage great from the standpoint of like,
basically dismantling all the things that are wrong in our society. Now we kind of know that
we kind of know that there's this best way that there's this, um, there's this better way. I think
if you're of any kind of age, you understand, or if you've been paying attention or you have a heart
towards the Lord, you kind of understand, you kind of take it for granted, but it's
tremendously under assault right now. This, um, so in other words, there are a lot of young people,
especially that are out there, maybe in their thirties that are thinking, you know what,
it's just easier to not be married. I mean, economically, you know, relationally, you know,
you don't have to deal with the difficulty. There's just so many other things to do.
I can, you know, just involve myself with my career. And there's just so many other things I
can do with my life rather than have to do this really hard, difficult thing called relationship.
And I can just go through my life. And so there's a real strong move for young people to,
to make that choice. And it's true to a degree. The reason, the reasoning behind it seems true,
but in the end, it still leaves the very void, the very absence of good,
solid relationships. Of course, it negates the entire establishing of any kind of family in that
situation, any kind of legacy, any kind of heritage. Of course, we all know that it's an
anathema against kingdom value and kingdom work. If you're not pursuing that.
So I'm saying all this because I'm just kind of laying a foundation for, I feel like, where we're going to go.
And when you're talking about like answering the question, have you lost hope in any area of your life?
I want to give you hope back because, I mean, yes, your personal walk and your personal development in Christ is foundational to who you are.
It's going to be your best foot forward. It's going to be your most authentic identity.
And at the same time, there's some practical things in terms of just like being successful in relationship.
What are some of the things you think that, other than the faith thing, do you think there were things that would have been different had you, like, maybe you would still be married had you changed other things in your relationship?
Or was the faith thing just such a high thing that it just was not negotiable for her?
No, no, it wasn't that, I would say.
But, you know, looking back at, look, we were both somewhat broken people in what we're bringing together.
And I could look now and I didn't see some of the brokenness that she had in her that she refuses to this day to still address.
So no matter what I would have done, you know, it wouldn't have solved what she had.
Probably would have ended up this way anyway.
Exactly. I remember, I can remember standing when I was going through all this, standing in front of a mirror one morning and just saying, God, please just tell me what you want from me.
If you want me to stay in this marriage, I will do it.
OK.
If it's OK for this to end, let me know that it's OK.
Yeah.
Right. And I always felt like from that point forward, it was like God put a laid out a path for her.
And it said, all right, you're coming to an intersection.
I want you to turn right. Well, she would make the left turn.
All right, then. OK, let's try this again.
We're going to go up and she would make a right.
So it's always oppositional.
And frankly, as I look at it, not just oppositional.
You know, there was a lot of opposition to me also.
I didn't realize what she was using me in some ways in her relationships to empower herself.
I think she felt secure in relation to actually be oppositional to me because it made her feel strong, which I didn't understand in some of the dynamics until I learned the family dynamics later.
I understood why that was.
So we ended up really being like I came to conclusion.
I can't. You're not until you fix yourself.
There's no fixing here. I can do my part to fix me and deal with my stuff.
But if you're not going to do yours, there's nothing there's nothing I can do to save this.
Yeah, yeah. I understand that.
No, I totally understand that. I had some of that with my ex wife.
And even though I'm on paper.
I'm in the relationship and how it ended, you know, I kind of look like the good guy because I was still in church and that kind of thing.
She wasn't. But there were a lot of inefficiencies.
There were a lot of deficiencies or a lot of heart wounds that I came to now know in my life that could have made that situation better.
But nevertheless, I think it probably like your situation, it would have still ended up the same way at some point.
And so yeah so so I totally can identify with that I totally can understand that.
The reason I was asking that was because it's important obviously as you're going through your heart work I mean you're in you're like you're in week two.
A lot of the other guys are either have gone through the heart work and maybe even you guys are being encouraged or spurned to do it again or do some more hard work, because it is a continuing process.
But as you're doing that obviously going to have to do the hard work around that around that previous relationship around, you know, releasing for forgiveness and and towards her towards yourself and that kind of thing you know and as you do that
I just wanted to encourage you that, you know, there's hope.
There is.
There's always hope. There's always hope for a better way.
God always has plans he always has thoughts.
He has millions and billions of thoughts toward us.
And we need to take hope in that.
It's like last week's question, like, um, God does care about and he's
emotionally and intimately involved with our situation, you know, and, um,
and that as you're doing your heartwork, I hope that you're going to see that
there's some freedom, some, there's some greater understanding sounds like
you've got a lot of greater understanding just by going through some of the
process, because it seems like you have a pretty clear mind that, Hey, this wasn't
all right, there was some things and I'm, I'm realizing some things about
myself. So I'd love that. And I want to encourage you just to continue doing
that heartwork, go through the, go through all, all the course material.
And, um, and process that and just allow God to really heal you and all those
areas and bring you to a, you know, a better version of yourself, because I
think there is the world. There's a world I know because we just had a
party and 90% of the people at the party were all women. So I know there's a lot
of beautiful, God-loving available, single women doing their heartwork that
are waiting for good men to, you know, reveal themselves. So the odds are in
your favor for sure. Um, but it just seems like there's some things you're
still working through and that's great. That's awesome. So don't be
You know, it's, it's sometimes they use that in a moment, but some of these
things I almost feel like they, they, some of the, maybe some, maybe on this
side of heaven or something, there's still going to be some wounds that just
don't always 100% go away. I mean, my contribution into failing this marriage
had to do, I own, you know, I grew up in a family I felt totally abandoned and
rejected from, you know, and I'm fearful of my parents and I was, you know, to a
void them and their kind of anger and stuff. I would, you know, I'd go off and
isolate, right. And that turned into part of a pattern in my marriage, which
was, he was volatile and, you know, as he got angry, my response was to pull it
was to isolate, move away, get me out of here, right. Rather than, you know, one
of the things I do learn, I think through this was, you know, you look at
God and he, you know, he captures our tears, he counts our hairs, he knows
everything about us, right. And he still loves us, despite of the fact we are
flawed and we are sinners and he wants us to come to him. And I was like, that's,
to me, that was like, alright, God wants us to be vulnerable with him. So if the
sign of a healthy relationship is to be vulnerable with God, then a healthy
relationship should also be vulnerable with people. Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
Right. So that is like, I realized, and this has happened later in my life, is
part of what I realized was when I was isolating, pulling away from her, I
wasn't doing anything in terms of being vulnerable towards her or for her. Right.
Like, that's not helping this relationship. You know, I need to be
there to support some, that's what you talk about, like the stuff, I mean, you
want to have intimacy after 50 years of walking into life with somebody, that's
Yeah, that is true. That's powerful. Bob, thanks for sharing that. It's so good
because it's so true what you're saying. The vulnerability, it's risky. It is
risky, but it's worth it in relationship. Because if both of you are choosing,
again and again, at the end of the day, that's one of the things that attracted
me, Jackie, at, you know, when we got together, we were having a glorious,
great time and fun. The summer that we met, and we got married, and we were
still having fun. But then life really started to like, settle in because we
were having career issues, you know, my career ministry was ending. And we were
trying to blend our family, we had the kids. And so you know, the reality of
life starts to really settle in once you make that commitment. And so really,
almost immediately, we started having like real life problems in in and
outside the marriage. And of course, we were thinking that, you know, we had just
come out of bad relationships, both of us kind of at the same time, you know,
didn't know each other, but then on the tail end of that, and two years sort of
like, in like, disenfranchised from our, from our former spouses, we, when we
came together, we didn't realize that there were going to be some more heart
wounds, and we were going to trigger each other different ways, because we
were two different people coming together now. And there were some things
that I really had to work through, because Jackie was a
woman than what I was used to. She was very different than my ex-wife. So just on type
of woman, personality, family history, there were some similarities, but there were a lot
of differences. She's a formidable force to be dealt with. If you can imagine the woman
that speaks so eloquently to thousands of singles and leads a movement and so forth,
she is full of wisdom. She's full of all things to say, and she's full of life and energy and
all that stuff and passion. And she's just as passionate and forceful and mitigating and all
of that in relationship as well. And I just wasn't used to that. And so there were some
things that I had to get used to on her behalf. And then there was a lot of hard work that I
needed to do to come up into my best self. And I was doing a lot of that, Bob. I would retreat.
I would go away. I would just like, okay, you know what? Be quiet and deal with rejection that
way. And I had to learn how to confront, healthily confront. I had to learn to be present. I had to
learn to be engaged. I had to learn to initiate. I had to learn to not give up. I had to learn to
pursue. So there's a lot of things there that you're bringing up that I think are really powerful.
And I see, I see God showing you and challenging you and giving you that. So I just, I really pray
and believe that there's going to be an opportunity for you to really be in great relationship and do
that, have a lot of excellence with it as well. So, amen. Yeah, no problem. Guys, who else,
what else is going on? Don't make me call you out. Yeah, I'll go. Go ahead, David. I am single again.
So that was, yeah, I think that that's what needed to happen. But I really tried to be,
I really tried to take Jackie's advice and just leaving the person better than I found them and
just really trying to be, yeah, just focus on the positives and that they didn't think it well.
And I think I could have done some things differently. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
But what did you learn from this relationship? If there's one thing that you could pull out and say,
you know, I think this is probably, maybe not the greatest, I mean, but just one thing that's
really powerful that kind of stood out in terms of something that you learned from being in this
situation. That I'm ready. Oh, okay. That I'm ready to pursue marriage and that I think,
yeah, just that like trusting the Lord and that one, I don't have to fix everything and you can
just let that person be who they are and they're doing their hard work and really that's the Holy
Spirit's job and you don't have to point out every mistake. But yeah, and I think just kind of like,
from what I've learned is like not trying to control it, but just trusting God and trusting
that the Holy Spirit's got it. And so for me, Jackie was doing a teaching and the teaching was
like, okay, what season are you in? And when it came to my turn to share, it's like, what season
are you in? What season were you in? What are you planting? And what are you going to harvest? Right?
And so for me, I just kept seeing gold and but then Jackie asked, okay, David, but what do you
need to let go of in order to harvest? And I was like, and I knew the person who I was talking with
was like on the call, like the girl who's in the relationship with, but I said, Lord, I have to
say this. And Jackie was like, you got to say it. And I was like, okay. So I said the relationship
I'm in, and that's not how I would do it. I think if I could do something differently,
I probably wouldn't have. She felt really humiliated by that. And no one really knows
her or that no one would have known. It's just she knew. Yeah, she knew. And that felt humiliating
that I would do that on live stream. Right. And even though like, we'd had a long conversation
before that chat. And I said, like, do we want to have the end of chat? And she said, no, like,
she's not yet. And so I said, okay. And so then we had that when that came out, and I was like,
okay. And so I actually turned my phone off because I thought, you know what, I need to clear my head
for this. And so I know she's going to call me right away and want to know all these answers,
but I don't have these answers. So in kindness, and this might not sound like a kindness, but I
just turned my phone off because I said, Lord, like, I need to sleep on this. And then in the
morning, I'm going to write a really kind response that just explains this. And so in the morning,
when I woke up, I wrote a really kind response.
And one of the things that Jackie shared
on Supernatural Saturday was that like,
blessings will just come, right?
And you know, don't try to control it
because blessings will just come
and you just have to accept as they're coming.
And so today, my landlord said, you know,
my wife and I have been talking
and we really need to help you with your debt.
And I said, what?
And he said, yeah, so through my corporation,
he's like, we actually, we wanna pay all your debt off.
He's like, I don't want you to have credit card debt.
He's like, I want you to destroy your credit cards.
I still need at least one credit card
because in life you need a credit card.
But he's like, and we're gonna give you enough seed money
to fully launch your business
and pay off your credit cards.
Cause he said like, I don't want this to cripple you.
And he's like, these credit card loans are crippling you.
And he said, so my wife and I have been talking
and he said, you know, I wanna sit down,
me, you and your dad.
And I told him that my dad wasn't really interested
in helping me financially.
And he said, okay, well,
then you and me are gonna sit down.
You're gonna make a business plan tomorrow.
And we are gonna sit down.
He's like, I'm busy, but through my corporation,
I'm gonna help you.
And my wife and I, he says, there's one thing,
they just went on a spiritual trip to BC.
And he says, and every day the Lord said,
I want you to help David Wright with his debt.
Get him out of jail.
The boy needs help.
And so, I mean, this might be awesome.
It might not happen, but just the fact that he was like,
hey, he said, through my corporation,
like we're gonna give you a business loan.
We, you need to be out of debt and we need you to,
he's like, it's time to start striving.
Wow.
Wow, okay.
Yeah, I mean, it is unfortunate
in terms of how that came across to her.
Did she reciprocate to the letter?
Did that help her at all?
So I've never gotten a response
the way that she responded.
So she just was kind of cold and she just said,
okay, hey, I will respond to this in time.
I'm not ready right now.
I will respond when I'm ready.
So you haven't got an actual response from her yet?
No, and I don't know if I will.
Yeah, you might.
I just, yeah, no.
I mean, obviously it's like double-edged
because it was kind of kudos in the moment
for you like saying what needed to be said,
but at the same time, yeah,
that was a little,
it could have been a little harsh for her.
And I understand that,
but that you had a heart to try to mend that is honorable,
but at the same time,
it might've been a little too little too late
in that situation.
But you don't know that yet
because you might still get a response from her.
You never know what that situation might've produced.
So had you had to do it all over again?
I don't know.
Maybe it wouldn't have done it any different.
I don't know, but okay.
Well, we just pray that she's,
that God is, we believe that God has heard
and he's doing what he's doing in her life as well.
She's still part of the community?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Well, I'm sure that,
I'm sure she's going to be okay.
Okay.
So you're moving on, you're moving forward.
And so you've learned at least that you're ready
and so she's basically not the right one
or not at this time,
or maybe just not the right one.
Yeah.
I just think it was a matter of just not a great match.
You know, like it just.
That's fine.
Okay.
Well, okay, man.
Well, we're still in it to win it with you.
So praise God.
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad.
They're for sure, the odds are in,
you know, a good Christian man,
the odds are in his favor.
If he wants to get married,
because I'm telling you what,
there's way more women that want to be married
that wanted a good godly man,
young, middle, old, age, you know, whatever.
It doesn't really matter.
It's just, you know, it's the odds are in your favor.
you know,
just bless you in that endeavor.
Yeah, thank you.
Pardon me?
Did you want, did you add something else?
I found more gold.
Oh, you found more gold in your storage container?
Yeah, yeah, I did.
Wow.
I've counted, so I've now found over 400 pieces of gold.
Way.
Yeah.
Are they gold coins or jewelry or?
So.
Jewelry, um, but some gold coins, but mostly jewelry, uh, 24 carat, uh, diamonds, some
of them with appraisal, some of them not, um, 18 carat, 24 carat, 10 carat.
How are you having these appraised?
Yeah, I'm going to, so how are you having them appraised?
So I'm going to have a friend and first I'm going to itemize everything so I know what
I have.
And so, right.
It's not like all the gold ring will go missing, but I think we're probably going to have two
or three different auction houses.
Look at them.
Um, cause for me, I mean, like you're in Canada, yeah, I'm in Canada, but you can go online.
There are gold buyers.
There are.
Yeah.
Know exactly what it is you would have and what you don't have and so forth and they
can assess it pretty good.
Yeah.
So we'll, we'll do that.
Yeah.
Um, I found out a little bit about the guy who had it.
He was a Holocaust survivor.
Um, and so this was his estate that he gave to his granddaughter.
But like, I have had to tear everything apart with a hammer because like, okay, so the kitchen
table, well he hit a 24 karat gold necklace inside the table.
So like I had to pull off like the table apart and like, so like for instance, I tore apart
a hope chest.
Well in the hope chest there was like a 24 karat, uh, gold ring in the bottom of the
hope chest that he had planted in.
So it's like, so how did you find this out?
But this, this, this, this air of this estate still lives.
I mean, how does that, how does that work with?
So basically I bought it because the locker was abandoned.
Um, and there is understand.
Yeah.
And so I found this out because, um, in the box that had all the gold in it was his, was
his will and testament and explained who he is, his story.
He was a professor.
Yeah.
Um, and so I think what happened is, is that they'd been paying for this locker for like
12, 13 years and never been there in 10 years.
And so I think she came recently, saw that it had gotten moldy and just abandoned it.
Oh.
And I think she may have taken like some of the gold from some different boxes or whatever
and then just left the rest.
Didn't know.
Wow.
But like what I, what I was finding as I was tearing up the furniture that this man hid
like little envelopes of money with her name on it.
So rare dollar bills and like rare gold and just like, but in every piece of furniture
that looked trash, I would find gold that he was just hiding and he was a woodworker.
So he would just stop a little bit of gold.
And so I was telling off chairs and as I was carrying up the old chairs, gold was falling
out.
Wow.
And so, and on supernatural Friday or, or Friday, um, um, the Friday, so I called my
dad and, and, and my dad doesn't normally like, he thinks I over-exaggerate cause I
do sometimes.
And I thought, Oh my God, it's not going to believe this story.
And he's going to yell at me for buying a storage locker again.
And he said, I believe you.
And that meant so much, but he said, and he says, but the Holy spirit's telling me, and
my dad doesn't talk like that.
You need to look in the trash again.
And he said, and he said, even if he says, he says, David, stop what you're doing and
go and look in the trash.
So I did.
And, and I'd already sorted through the trash, but I went again and I found a box and in
the box, they, they had taken a little piece of cardboard and put it on top, but I heard
it rattling.
Yeah.
Why is this rattling?
And so I lifted it up and there was a 24 karat gold cross, white gold.
And then there was diamonds with appraisals underneath it, like hidden underneath the
false little thing there.
Um, I found $52 in, uh, collectible Canadian currency.
So like, like face valued 52, but probably like these are rare, like $1 and $2 bills.
So probably about 200 bucks worth of bills.
Um, and, uh, and then another piece of trash, I found a full bag of black pearls that she
just thrown out.
So I think it was just a young woman who inherited a multimillion dollar estate and was already
already had a lot of cash equity.
So she was just like, whatever with the gold, took what she could get from what she felt
like was yeah.
Easy.
Yeah.
And I think like, she probably didn't realize that her grandfather was hiding gold in all
the furniture.
Right.
Like, I think he was just kind of like surviving, like stuffing it away, but yeah, both grandfather
and her grandmother were Holocaust survivors.
I looked them up.
That's a, it's a very old school thing to do, of course, and, and, and all of that.
And, uh, super, super incredible.
That's a credible story.
And so one, one dresser I opened and as I was tearing apart the dresser, like $40 worth
of quarters, pure silver quarters, uncirculated fell out of the bottom of the, wow.
So yeah.
We're excited to hear more about that story.
When you get some valuation that is, I just, I, I'm just curious personally, I'm just curious.
about that. That's pretty awesome. All right. Um, let's see, David and PA, Sean, Matthew,
what do you guys got? Um, yeah, I'll come up with an update because I don't think I'll be here
for a while. Be back, but important because of my schedule. Well, my story can be more opposite.
So I'm at 24 months right now, job seeking this month.
Um, so I'm working, uh, still working six jobs. I was supposed to do, I, well, I showed up for,
uh, jury duty today and I was able to convince the judge that, uh, I would, uh, lose my place
if I stayed eight, they wanted me to stay like eight or nine days on a case. So they sent me
home. So that's why I'm, why I'm here. Cause I didn't go to, uh, six flags. And, um, other than
that, um, I'm, I, you know, I like plug in on faith Friday when I, and you kind of like went
on about, uh, that, you know, we now have to have belief and, and, and I do, you know, I,
every job I apply for, it's like, this is going to be the one. And then it just tears me down a
little bit more when I get that turned down letter. And, um, I'm still like, so like I said,
so I'm working weekends. Huh? I said, Hollywood's going through it. I know.
I, when I sit down with like, when I talk to like people in animation, we'll sit down and talk and
I can't do it anymore. I said, I know, I know I'm going to get some, you know, so when they're all
given up, I'm saying I I'm going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, favor, you know, isn't fair.
So, you know, I just speak that over to you and speak, you know, the favor of the Lord upon you
for the exact right thing. That's going to be a blessing to you. Um, I know he has you in
Hollywood, you know, for, uh, a very, you know, a good reason, specific reason kingdom reason.
So, um, there's, there's a season. I mean, the season, there's a prosperity that's in, in this
next season for America and regardless of politically of what you think or believe or
whatever, um, there just is a prosperity that is happening in America, but with technology,
especially there's just opportunities. It's kind of like, kind of like great depression sort of
stuff. Like, you know, the great depression, there's a, there's a historical statement that
there were more millionaires made during the great depression, you know, like, you know, because of
the value of things that went down that people just knew that they needed to get a hold of.
And then when the value came back up, they were instantly, instantly wealth. There's this thing,
like, I don't, I don't know if it's necessarily like that kind of like rise and fall of value,
if it's just that simple, but I know there is tremendous, tremendous opportunity, um,
in the landscape, in, in the AI field, um, in online, um, the things that seemingly see, seem,
um, uh, like a plot of the enemy, you know, there's still, I think, a, a resource for,
for believers to take a hold of. Wise as serpents, harmless as doves.
And I think, I know there's opportunity. I know there's economic opportunity. It's just in the
most unlikely of places, just like David's story, where it's kind of like buys a storage locker and
finds the gold. I believe there are opportunities like that in the tech space and the job space.
You just have to think outside of the box and you can't limit yourself to, it's gotta be this way,
or it's gotta be a certain, you know, skillset, or it's gotta be a certain thing. Like my son,
who is an industrial designer, has had incredible work experience through his college co-op and then
the job he had after college. I mean, if I were to tell you all the details and the people that
he met and just in his particular field, um, of design and then shoe design and then 3d printing
and all of that, um, you know, he, all of his life, since he was a little kid,
he wanted to be a designer. He wanted to be, you know, somebody who imagined something and
designed it and then became, you know, famous for what it, whatever the design was, whether it was
a car, whether it was, uh, you know, like, uh, even in Hollywood, he wanted to be like, um, uh,
what do you call it? Um, like a, uh, not set design, but, um, you know, film, film, art,
concept design, that kind of stuff, you know,
And he's like, what's that?
Visual development.
Yeah, visual development, all that whole thing.
Like, he just wanted to be like, because he
studied and revered all of those designers and artists.
And all those people are all of his heroes.
And he's met some of them.
And it's just been incredible.
Well, I've been telling him for two years
that he needs to do an online course,
basically just teach something.
He's like, I don't want to do that.
What would I teach?
Like, I don't want to teach.
I want to be design.
I want to be known for design.
I want to make something.
I want to be like, you know, like he just
wants to be this like, I don't know,
whatever he had in his mind.
Well, he finally was just coming to the end of his bank account,
literally.
And I was just like, what are you going to do?
You know?
And he's 29 years old, just got engaged,
going to be married next year.
So it's like serious time for him.
He's like in a relationship.
And she's serious.
And he's serious.
And they're serious.
And it's going to be on, right?
And he's like coming to the end of the barrel.
And I know he's incredibly talented.
I know he's incredibly gifted.
I know he's incredibly like whatever.
And it's like, OK, what are you going to do?
He knows very well, and we have before,
that he's not going to die.
He's not going to go on the streets.
You know, his family loves him enough
that we're all going to help.
None of our children are going to be homeless and poor
and starving, OK?
They all know that in the back of their mind
just because we've got a good family here.
But at the same time, I'm like, so what are you going to do?
You know?
I'm like, I wasn't like trying to run to the front of the line
and go, hey, let me help you.
Let me pay your rent.
Let me do this.
You know, I wasn't trying to offer any of that.
I was just like, oh, what are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
I was kind of pressing him.
And he's finally, he goes, you know what?
I think I'm going to design a course.
I'm like, oh, really?
Like, I've been telling you that for two years.
I was like, wow, it's incredible.
You're going to design the advanced course?
Yeah, I think I'm really going to put this out there.
I'm going to try to sell it.
I've got some more people.
I've got a lot.
You know, he's got an incredible network of people.
So he puts this course together, and he's really talented
because he can design stuff in a matter of like a day or two.
Puts this thing together.
And something that's been marinating on for a while.
Puts it together.
He puts it out there.
And in five days, less than a week,
he sold out his entire, the number of seats
that he had had online.
Brought in $10,000 immediately, like right now, inside
of a week.
Done.
Now he's paid his rent, paid all his things, paid off his bills.
He's back on Front Street.
And he's going to do it again in November.
Or excuse me, he's going to do it again in December.
And he just broke through.
Now, mind you, part of the story is,
is I've been telling him to do this exact thing.
I mean, I spelled it out.
It's not like I just suggested an idea.
I mean, I literally have been talking to him, like, do this,
do that, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm not making this suggestion to you.
I'm just saying there's something that's
outside the box, not in that's counterintuitive, maybe even,
or whatever.
And I'm sharing the story with my son
because somebody asked him, said,
why didn't you do this before?
Oh, his brother-in-law.
His brother-in-law was having a conversation.
Jaron, why didn't you do this long time ago?
Mom and dad are talking to you about this.
He goes, well, I think it was, honestly, he goes,
I think it was just kind of pride.
And I was just like, hmm, that's interesting.
So I didn't say anything.
I didn't badger him.
I didn't do anything.
But anyway, I tell that story not as a direct analogy,
but just to know that I just think there's so much
opportunity right now.
And there's a season of opportunity,
especially for believers.
And it still could be in the field.
It could still be in the area.
I just think there's new opportunities.
There's exceptions.
Favor isn't fair.
It's just like the child of God gets the job
and somebody else doesn't.
And I believe it's the season for that.
I believe there's a lot of prophetic utterances
that especially where the siege is over.
That was a word that was a couple of weeks ago
on Supernatural Saturday.
Yeah, no, I heard that.
And I repeat that the whole time.
Yeah. I mean, I will say that I did start working on a independent animated feature.
I love it. When they interviewed me, they went through everything.
You know, you're perfect. You're perfect.
We don't have any money in the budget to pay you. Is that OK?
And I said, yeah, I said, let's do it, because at least I have something
passionate about when I'm going through six other jobs.
Yeah. Even though I'm doing it for free, at least, you know,
and we'll see what happens in film festivals when it's done and all that.
You never know. Yeah.
Nobody knows, doesn't even know you weren't paid for it.
It's a job. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, unfortunately, you know, you talk to other people and so you don't
you know, I don't tell too many people that and family or my daughter,
you know, my grown daughters don't really respect that.
And if there's no paycheck involved, what's the point?
Yeah. But I tell you what, yeah, no, no, no.
Those are the kind of things that I that God is doing.
We see it over and over again.
So I'm just saying all that to say that God is in those extra things.
God, it's in those things that are like, you know, on the fringe type stuff.
So, yeah, be paying attention to that there.
So I hope there's a lot of encouragement there.
Sounds like there is. Yeah. Yeah.
And I'm listening to the tapes and I'm going through a little bit
of the core memories and everything that the other woman talked about.
That's good. That's good.
Yeah. That's with Christine was.
Yeah. If you guys haven't seen that.
Check that out a couple of weeks ago from Christine Sullivan.
That was a great thing.
I'm going to have her on again.
And I think she's going to do some things in our program.
So it's going to be good.
I can't believe she's single. That shocks me.
Yeah, she is.
She is saying that blew my mind.
I was like, how is someone like that single anyways?
Yeah. And I'll just leave that where it is right there on the table, guys.
I will just leave it right there.
It did. Yes, sir.
I'm actually going like I'm seriously looking at least sometime this month.
I might be a little bit later in the month,
but going through her coaching of your version with basically the hard work
with you and Jackie as opposed to her life coach program,
which is basically reverse engineering like we want in five years back to now,
which is our life coach size, which is a different program.
OK, so, yeah, that's awesome.
I wish you well on that, man.
I went through it with her.
I did some I I I probably wasn't the best student
because I was distracted a lot.
But I tell you what, I did have some some major breakthroughs
during during those sessions, and she's great.
She's incredible.
So I would.
Thank you. Yeah.
Just real quick with me, I know we got to end the call here, but like
it's kind of been a mix for me.
Like I had an unexpected blessing, like a 200 plus dollar check
from my insurance company because they were charging me
and something with a billing error that I got within the last couple of weeks.
And then but then at the same same time, I'm struggling with.
I really missed not being able to be with you guys in Texas,
but I realized it's for the better in the long run
because I'm still like really struggling financially.
Yeah. And and it's just my nervous system is just kind of shot.
So it's like there's all these opportunities out here.
I want to start my own business.
I mean, there's so many opportunities.
There's A.I.
There's I mean, baby boomers are selling their successful businesses
or at least property businesses like crazy, like all these things I want to do.
But my nervous system is so shot.
I can't go forward with that.
That's like why I'm trying to like go forward with this stuff with Christine.
OK. OK. I could see that could be really helpful for you.
I could see that.
I see that there's a breakthrough like in that
in that work that you're going to do with her.
I really I really encourage you.
But that's that's going to be some some real strong help for you.
Yeah. So I'm glad that you're doing that.
And yeah, we did miss you in Texas.
And but there's some.
Yeah, I just felt it wasn't the best timing just because I mean,
I'm struggling so bad financially, it would have made me look like a
I don't know, not very desirable, but we certain women, you know what I mean?
It's OK. Yeah, I get it.
Let's be honest.
How much did you say your insurance gave you back?
Like two hundred twenty dollars, because somebody made a billion.
Oh, wow. OK. Yeah.
Well, praise God.
We're looking for returns back.
We got a big one and a couple of friends of ours got some big ones.
I'm looking for just things coming out of the blue like that even.
I mean, I'm not like a big proponent of like, you know, like.
Fake checks in the mail, but I'm just telling you what,
like there's there's some things happening that God is restoring back to people.
And it's just it's astounding.
It's just I hear it every day, several times a day.
So I know that the Lord is working on behalf of his people.
So just be hopeful and be encouraged.
All right, guys, we're past the hour.
God bless you.
Have a great, great week.
Great discussion.
Thanks you all for sharing and we'll talk soon.
Bye, David.
Bye, guys.
Bye, y'all.
Bye-bye.
Bye, good night.