So, good evening. This is Monday, November 17th, 2025. And this is Men's Heart Check-in.
So how y'all doing? Like, you know, breakthrough, any breakthroughs for you guys?
I'm still working through the book. Yeah, this is my fourth.
So where are you at the book?
I guess I'm going through the forgiveness this week. Yeah, that's a big one. How's that going for you?
Yeah, it's, um, you know, there's a couple of things I've thought about in the past week in terms of the whole forgiveness thing and trauma and stuff.
And I would say that, you know, part of my trauma, I guess, comes through just my growing up and kind of being the black sheep in my family type feeling and never measuring up to the what I felt my father, mother wanted of me and kind of feeling unworthy of things.
Right. So I had that kind of undercurrent in my life and even into my career and things.
So one of the questions here was, have you ever been or are you now stuck in a victim mode? And what was the trauma you kept rehashing over and over?
So thing happened to me was during my career, I had worked with the company for 13 years and 12 of those years, I was with one boss and we had a very good relationship.
He was a supporter of me throughout. And but there came a point where there was a contentious issue between our group and another group.
And at the same time, what was happening was it was going through the financial crisis of 2008, 2009 timeframe, and a lot of companies were going through layoffs and having financial stress and the housing market collapsed.
And our company was was not immune to that. And there was all this stuff talking about layoffs coming up. And so I was in a situation where this contentious group thing was going on.
And it was also right on a layoff at the time when people get annual reviews and cycles going and such. And like I said, I worked for this guy for 12 years and never had a poor performance rating out of him, let alone just an average with him.
And so I was down to go through this conversation with my review with him. And he kind of comes back, basically tells me, you know, you got the rate, you basically average. And I said, Joe, this is like, you know, with you 12 years, it's the first time I've ever got an average from you.
And he goes, yeah, I know, but it's out of my control. And I said, what do you mean, it's out of your control? And he said, well, we did this thing they call these 360s, where your boss reviews you, but you also have to circulate these kind of surveys to people who you work with, and for them to give you feedback as well.
So he said, you know, I can't, I can't give you anything higher than average, because of the feedback I got from particularly one person in particular, this guy, his name was Rod. And I said, I worked with this guy all year long, and we did some good stuff together. And I was literally kind of surprised by that, like, why that would be. He goes, well, I can't change the review because of that.
And I said, well, this is kind of a tricky time, because we have layoffs coming up. And, you know, this put me in kind of a little more precarious situation, I'd be a lot more comfortable with what I historically got from you. And he said, yeah, I know, but it's beyond my control. I can't change, I can't, with that review, with that write up, I can't do it.
So anyway, I saw this guy, Rod, and I called my office. And I said, hey, Rod, I'm really kind of taken aback. You know, Joe tells me about this review you gave me. And I said, we've worked for a year together on this thing. I thought we had a good thing going. And he's like, you know, looked at me, he goes, I've been losing sleep on this for nights, for a week on this.
And I said, I've talked internally, I've talked to my wife, what do you think I should do? And he's like, Rod, I don't know what you're talking about. Back up and start, what are you talking about here? Tell me what's going on. So he worked for this woman, who also worked for this other fellow who was very senior in the company, but he was also overseeing this other contentious area that we had this kind of conflict going on, political conflict internally within the company.
It was a large company. And so I said, okay, so what, Rod, why would you write what you wrote? And he basically said, that wasn't what I wrote first. I said, what do you mean wasn't right? First, I wrote a good review.
you, on you. And I have to run past my boss. And she says, it's got to be more negative.
And you need to write it down and make it less positive. And he goes, I'm not comfortable doing
that. So he wrote it down. But he gave it back to work. He said, second time, she said, it's not
negative enough. You need to make it negative. And so he said, I wrote it again bad. And I took it
to another level. I gave it to her and she told me, that's still not low enough. You got to make
it worse. You got to make it worse. And he said, that's all I'm doing. I'm not going to put, I'm
not going to go any further with this. And if Bob asked me about it, I'm going to tell him what's
going on. So I ended up circling back and the, I go to my boss and I said, look, Joe, I just had
this conversation with Rod. He's telling me he was, that negative review, he was told to do it by his
boss. And he says, so let me handle this with, with her name was Diana. So he goes up and speaks to
Diana. He said, let me handle it. He starts handling it. Meanwhile, those is all the timing
of all this is a very narrow window now because the name for layoffs are supposed to be put,
submitted like by the end of this week. So he started telling me he's going to handle it.
He's telling me like on Thursday, don't worry about it. You know, I've got this, I got this.
And I'm like, okay, I'm going to trust this. Right. Well, I'm sorry. Sure. It comes out that
this woman, her boss was the one above her was forcing this issue, take it out on me.
So when it came time for the layoff names to be submitted, my name was put on the list by her
boss. So comes to following Monday when I thought it was going to be okay. I ended up finding out
I got laid off all that because of this political infighting that was happening.
So, you know, it was a situation where one, it just takes me back to my youth and my feeling
in my home, the, the black sheep, the unworthy kid. And I'm sitting there now in this corporate
world, starting to feel the same thing on the black sheep here. I'm the one who's unworthy.
I'm the one who's going to be now. I was laid off out of this right now. I've talked to people
afterwards and who knew some of the story. And this guy, Rod, who told me, you know,
what was going on, he said, look, if you want to take it to HR, I'll go with you.
And I was at that point, I was like, well, I don't want to put you in a situation where you're going
to lose your job. So let me at the time, I was still thinking I was going to be okay. If I left
my boss, I was told subsequently, it was like my boss, the guy had worked for 12 years,
tried, but didn't go out as far as he could have to back me and try to fight this and kept me.
So again, I was 13 years there. Suddenly I was laid off the same time I was going through
my divorce at the same time.
Oh, so it's a double whammy. And all of that's tying into your childhood wounds,
which are exacerbated. And, you know, it's kind of, I mean, you guys like, well,
I only have two, both David's here. So, you know, but, but, you know,
Not only. Come on, man.
I'm sorry. Like, like, it's not, we have, well, so I apologize. But like, have you,
have you noticed that your childhood wounds come out?
On behalf of all the Davids, I forgive you.
Yeah. Thank you guys. Have you found that? Because I found the same thing, Bob.
Like when things at work trigger, like there's a trigger to my childhood, right? A lot of like
my boss right now is tap dancing on that wound, right? Have you guys felt that way as well?
Or you've seen where it tied into your childhood at work?
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Earlier in my career, because, you know, I remember even like
going through college, I had a lot of resentment towards my father. And, you know, I graduated
with honors out of college and my father had thought, you know, he questioned whether they're
going to graduate at all. So part of my motivation to succeed in college was to prove him wrong.
I'm not the idiot you think I am. I'm going to do well on my own. I'm taking my responsibility
for myself. I'm going to prove you wrong. So my anger was my motivation towards him to
motivate me to succeed in college.
And I later found myself in my workplace needing to be angry at a situation
to motivate me to feel the drive to go prove myself.
Yeah, because you never were allowed to.
Just be OK and with whatever you were, you had to you had to, you know,
and I've been in a similar situation, I find myself in that a lot of ways,
you know, and that works in marriage, in relationships as well.
Like, you know, in marriage and this and that.
You're like, you know, you know, it's the it's the perpetual treadmill.
Yeah, I'm not good enough, so I have to
produce or like if I just produce enough, maybe I'll be OK or, you know, I'm
and so so it's really good that you're going
through the hard work because I mean, that's and that's bringing all that stuff
up because, man, getting free of that's huge.
But, you know, once you get free of that.
Yeah, and so that the whole thing was
to forgiveness was to part the names of the people where the
this more senior person was a guy named Don Avant.
The other person was a woman named Diane.
I should probably send out the last name
was Don, Diana and Rod, and I kept thinking these are names I hold.
I try to think I was letting go of the anger towards the situation and saying,
God, I know you're going to the vengeance is yours, right?
They'll come a time they're going to stand before you and they're going to see
themselves and to explain themselves to you as to why they did what they did
against me, because there were repercussions to me.
Now I'm out of work.
I have to worry.
I have three kids I'm taking, you know, trying to raise.
I'm going through a divorce at the same time.
The odd thing here was also not the odd
was this was a time when I started returning to my faith.
I was raised Catholic.
I left it.
In fact, it was my my marriage failing was
what kind of motivated me to go back to the Bible because I felt like everything
we tried, everything I tried to save this marriage was failing.
And I said, God, my last resort, right?
If you can raise a debt, help me resurrect my marriage situation.
Right.
And a lot of times it's it's not I mean, I don't know about you guys.
It's when actually for me it was when
everything was going good and I realized there was nothing.
That was a value or like, you know, you know, he who dies with the most toys wins
and then you get all the toys and you realize, like, twice,
they don't feel that God's space hole in your in your heart.
Right. But, you know, and it sounds like it was a rough season, but I mean,
it was a rough season, but it drove you back to what to get back to the basics.
And and one of the keys to forgiveness,
and I'm not quite I'm pretty sure that it's been a while since I've done the
artwork, so forgive me. Right.
You know, but one of the keys is actually blessing those who have hurt you.
And so it's one thing to say, you know, Lord, I forgive them.
I release them.
But it's like the next step is to, hey, Lord, I just pray that you bless,
you know, X, Y, Z and and and you do it until you can mean it.
So like all
and, you know, when you have healed like this last two weeks ago, my ex called
text me, hey, don't send any support checks because
my account got hacked and they took everything and I got sad.
Right. You know, and like and I was really
sad for her because, like, I'm like, that really sucks.
And I knew that I and I knew that I was free.
Right. Because all that forgiveness and praying
blessing changed my heart to actually have compassion and be sad when
she's having a hard time.
Yeah. And so and you guys, I'm an I'm an expert and I have a Ph.D.
in forgiveness. I've had to forgive so much stuff.
So I just encourage you that this process works when you can
bless them and pray for them and actually mean it.
That's unraveling your heart and it's setting you free.
You know,
forgiveness is like unforgiveness is like
drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.
Right. You know.
Yeah. So I'm proud of you.
That's really good. You know, it sounds like
it's it's not a fun process, but you're going to get freedom and and make sure
that in this whole and everyone, everybody who listens to this and everybody who's
on right now, make sure that you make sure to forgive this person to the person
that you're looking at in the mirror, I can tell you, I've had to forgive some
heinous, crazy things, but the hardest person bar none to forgive
was this guy right here, right, because, you know, I remember going
into a counseling session and they're like, OK, so we're showing forgiveness.
I'm like, they're like, they're like, they're like, like, like your dad,
your mom or this or that.
And I'm like.
Been there done that got the t-shirt, you know
Like I've been doing 20 years on this and then the next one was like, how about you?
And I'm like, ooh, wait, we don't have to forgive me because I you know, we can't do that
Yeah, yeah
so breakthroughs
Anybody else have breakthroughs?
Yeah, sorry
Go right sir. I was sorting my candy when I get anxious. I have to I have to sort things
I'm just I'm weird that way so I like bought a bunch of candy and I was like
Yeah, I'm a fidget or Bob I just want to say I'm so proud of you you had me tearing up and
that was really lovely that share and
Yeah, I can just like see I mean, I don't know you well
But like just seeing how the Lord is moving you and in your life
I'm excited for you man
And I'm excited for not just you but your kids your grandchildren like this legacy that God's building in you now
I think is just gonna be pouring out. Like I just see this and permission is to share this Mike. Is that okay?
but I
just see this like golden like
Picture just being poured out and I think like what God is doing in you is not just gonna reap fruit for your future
Relationships, but like I mean like a romantic relation, but I think like for your kids for your family like yeah
I'm so proud of you. It's just been so cool. Just seeing your journey. And yeah, thanks for sharing
and that that's a really good picture of like what like, you know, like
It isn't just about
Doing the heart work for you. I mean, it's good. It's good or it's not just about one area
I mean like it affects everything there's there's it brings freedom in every area and every relationship and it and it's not just about
You know dating right? Yeah, cuz this is kind of our context here is, you know getting having better relationships
But yeah, David, you're right like that that picture pouring out all that all the all just like the cleansing from all that stuff
That's just been dogging. You will set everybody in your family free and you're free to just enjoy things. It's amazing
and so
So, dude, how I know you
You've been going through some interesting things any anything that you're excited about coming up. Mr. Right? Sorry, you know since you're yeah
you know, I
I'm in a good season
I'm in a season where I have to liquidate my assets and that's what the Lord's really been telling me
So I'm creating a plan like okay
got to sell the Rolex's got to sell the Tag Heuer's got to sell the watch collection and
It's and I'm realizing that like I have been storing up my treasure on earth
Like this stuff has such a hold on me and I'm like, it's just a piece of gold in a box
Like get rid of it, you know, like God gave me this and now it's time to just get rid of it
You know the timings, right? So I'm I made a business plan this week of like, okay, how would we liquidate our assets like?
You know, I have a whole sea container. I mean I was trying to do a business of something can just to be honest
I have a sea container
That's 40 feet long and it goes 10 feet high and I have shelves that go up to the 10 feet and every shelf is full
Now it's not full of junk
It's full of collectibles that that range and value from like I always my minimum is $150
I don't keep it if it's less than that
right, but it's filled with collectibles worth some worth a thousand to like
Time to get rid of it all stop hoarding
and I would say I'm not hoarding while I'm collecting but it's like
To what cost I have a whole sea container on my property
Yeah, so time to get rid of that stuff time to sell the art
unfortunately, that's gonna be the hardest that'll take about eight months, but
Luckily the arts that I have is right, so it'll be fine. But
Anyways, that's really hard for me
Emotionally, I never thought the heart work would change me. I just thought oh this will get me a wife
Anything change me. I didn't think it would change my mom and dad. I didn't think it would change my best friends
Sorry, I didn't think it would change
the people I really really really care about
I didn't think it would have an impact. I didn't I limited God to this Oh Holy Spirit. You can have this
You know, I'm just being honest here like no, I love it you're doing great like my dreams and like I
Was holding on to dreams Mike that were bad dreams
They were from the enemy
What?
He's an equal opportunity destroyer and he'll you know, and I'm proud of you, dude
like that's really what you're doing is really hard like, you know, like the culling season like the I
Mean, I've had that season and you don't realize how attached to stuff you get you're like, yeah
I don't have any idolatry in my life and then you're like, he's like get rid of it and I'm like
No, you're like, whoa. Where'd that come from?
Right, you know, so I'm super proud of you, you know, and that's hard, you know, but yeah.
Well, the amazing part is I see how it flows out of you to these other people
who are also being impacted. It's like you don't realize, like, as you're changing,
other people are changing also. And it's kind of an amazing thing, you know.
Yeah, like my neighbor, when I first started the heartwork, she became a Christian. Like,
she's now going to church every Sunday. I can hear it through the floorboards. She's
worshiping God, you know, and her daughter is like, I love Jesus so much. She said,
Mommy, do you love Jesus? And that's because I did the heartwork. I mean, Mike, you know the
story. David knows the story. Bob, I don't think you heard the story. But, you know, within like
two or three weeks of doing the heartwork, my neighbor was like, hey, you've changed.
What changed? And I said, I told her about the course. And she said, no, no, it's not that.
God changed you. I want to be changed. I'm going to accept Jesus. She said, I don't want you to
pray the prayer. I'm just going to do it. And she just was like, I'm a Christian now. Give me a
Bible. I said, well, she goes, take me to church. Introduce me to all your people. She said, I'm a
single mom and I'm not going to walk this alone. And you're going to walk with me because you're
my neighbor. And I said, okay. That was like three weeks in. Now she is saving up to do the
heartwork. For us as Canadians, it cost me about a thousand bucks to pay for this all because our
dollars, whatever, not very good. But I had a, I actually, my mentor in July,
him and I were asking questions and I said, you know, I had broken up with Phoebe and it didn't
end well. I overreacted and Phoebe wanted me to write out everything that I was upset about. I did.
That was a bad idea. And then Phoebe and I had our last call and she just said, I'm just going
to ask you some questions, Dave, and I don't want you to answer them. I just want you to write them
down. And I didn't have the answer. None of my parents did. And my parents said, you know,
it's time to start investing in something that will develop you to not just live in fear,
but to walk in the freedom that Jesus has for you. She said, you need to find, my mom said,
you need to find a community outside of your little world that doesn't, she said, people
praise you, that doesn't praise you, that'll call you on your crap and that you can actually walk
in the obedience of scripture. She said, because the problem is you win everyone over and then
they don't call you out on crap. And I was like, fair enough. And so I joined the course. I called
my mentor crying and he said, stop crying. I'm paying for the course. And he said, you know,
yeah. And he said, if you need more counseling, we pay for it. He said, you know, so if they,
if they say, Hey, you need coaching, we're going to pay for coaching. And he said, and even if that
girl tries to say something to you, blah, blah, blah, he says, you just hire a coach in that
program and say, I'm working on it and they won't kick you out. Cause I was afraid that she would,
you know, feel like exposing me or something. Anyways, I'm talking too much today, but
all this to say. Well, no, like I, your process, I think is important. Like, you know,
like each, okay, you guys, just so you know, right. I mean, like, I, you know, if they want to,
if I get called on it, I want to let you guys see each other's journey. Right. Like, you know,
cause Bob, you shared part of your journey, David, you're sharing part, Mr. Wright, I got you,
David. Sorry, David. You know, like, you know, part of your, you're sharing your journey and
the whole point of this is that we're walking this together and David, you may share, you may
share something that helps Bob or the other David or whoever's watching. Right. And that's the whole
point is iron sharpening iron. And like you say, it's really easy to when you're what is the word
gregarious, right. You can come up to people and be their friend. Right. And then never be called
for anything. Right. Because everybody just likes you because you're likable, you know,
and who wants to, who wants to cut, but you, but you know, iron sharpens iron. You need somebody
who's willing to, to like grind you to, you know, like sharpen that stone. And it's amazing. Like
your, your testimony of your neighbor, like, like, you know, it's a, it's an immediate change. And
Bob, like, you know, you can see that, Hey, like doing the heartwork, David had a massive immediate
change. Right. I had a massive immediate change, you know, and I'd been doing counseling for a
long time. Right. Or, you know, and so I, I had something that had me hung up and Jackie's book,
Jackie's books help set me free from that. Right. And so I just, I just want to honor what you guys
are doing in that, you know, like, and I just appreciate your vulnerability and sharing your
stuff. Cause that's not normal for dudes. Right. And so, so, you know, so that's kind of the,
my, my methodology.
of why I'm doing what I'm doing, and we don't have a huge group here today, so it's not
like we're losing somebody else speaking, right, you know, because ordinarily I'd want
everybody to get in, but there's only four of us.
It's actually kind of nice.
We can get a little deeper and have a little more freedom.
But yeah, you know, hard work matters, you guys.
Like, this week, I guess, Mr. Henshaw, sorry, I tried to keep the Davids, you know, but
Mr. Henshaw, how are you doing?
Any breakthroughs in your life?
It's been extremely rough lately.
I've been, like, serious spiritual attacks, but I realize things are in a different season
now.
Last season was really hard to deal with my mom.
She's been in and out of the hospital four times this year already, and for corrective
surgery, emergency surgery, we're two of the four times, and I'm realizing now God's giving
me, like, a special grace just to connect with her more, and I really need to reach
out to her at least a phone call every day, because she's just at that age now, but not
related to that so much is I've found breakthrough lately in just relating to remaining in a
group like this and not running away from it, because I kind of, I guess, like, you
know, until I get more healed, I'm kind of a fearful avoidance.
I go back and forth more so than ever, but between anxious and avoidant.
But I realized, like, my heart, like, something like Jackie said earlier this year, like,
the longer you just keep waiting around and spinning your wheels, the colder your heart's
going to get if you're not being active and you're being, like, passive.
I've noticed that, and I've also noticed lately that I'm more open to a relationship than
before because it has to do with trust.
Like, if you don't trust, like, that kind of relationship at all, then if you have no
trust, you're not going to respect it.
And if you're not going to respect it, then you're going to, like, avoid it, rebel against
it, stay away from it, et cetera.
So, yeah, my I mean, my experience was like I was in a really good job.
I had major favor there.
But the problem was I got against myself.
I was in a toxic situation ship and it got so bad that on the final day I basically got
fired because, like, I just exploded like a volcano.
I you know, you can argue I probably would have left that day anyway, but the right way
would have been like just heading over my scan ID card and saying this is going to work
was good working with you guys.
See you later.
You know, instead of exploding, which basically slammed the door and blacklisted me
forever from going back to that company, you know, because of the modern, you know, HR
departments, how they are with a corporation like that.
But yeah, but yeah, it's just and then it's been like a year of.
Not recently, but like the first first year after losing that job was just I mean, the
first month or so was fine because I had another backup job to fall out on, but then I
got I got burned out on that once twenty twenty five hit.
Because twenty twenty five was a hard year.
Twenty twenty five was like to me was like a rebuilding year.
So they go all the way down to the foundation, rebuild the parts of the foundation
that were all, you know, jacked up, so to speak, you know, compared to this year, which
is like a very big price prosperity and breakthrough year, a lot of provision coming
through right now since like the end of September with the turn of the new year, you
know, if you follow the lunar calendar, but with, you know, the Hebrew calendar, which
is lunar compared to the which is solar.
So but yeah, so.
Well, I'm really proud of you, too, because like the avoided thing is like you really
you've stayed in it. I mean, you know, people are really like, you know, and I wouldn't
be super critical of yourself because I mean, you've been here.
I mean, you've been open to things.
I've been proud of you for stretching.
I've watched you be like taffy on the screen sometimes.
Right. You know, and I was like, man, he's letting himself be stretched.
And I'm just super proud of you, like that you're still around and you're still
showing up. Right.
And I'm glad you're getting the breakthrough.
That's amazing. Right.
And like I said, keep it up, keep it the hard work, keep it up.
One of the biggest things was the latest call.
Like I.
like god's mercy is so huge it just boggles my mind like the latest call for the uh what was it
the spotlight night um renee forgot to record it and basically i was doing really horrible that
night but i showed up anyway and i kind of made a fool of myself at least i think i did and it's
kind of god's grace that she forgot to record it because otherwise you know it would have just been
too much just because um i wasn't as honest as i needed to be like i just i told them i didn't
want to be on camera because my my my you know it's poor lighting and that but that's only part
of it the other part of it is just i was just feeling so rotten i didn't even want to be on
camera but you know i didn't want to say that you know and it's just be like yeah i don't like being
dishonest like that you know so but well you were where you were at and yeah and like independent
but the fact that you even showed up exactly you showed right like like yeah like you showed up you
weren't you weren't you didn't have your a game b game or maybe you're on even if you're on your z
game right you at least came to the table i mean that's amazing right yeah most people would have
would have mailed it in right and so so have a little um grace on yourself because you did great
yeah and and you know david i i felt a little bad because i was pushing you a little hard that night
i was like david henshaw's in the chat and she's like is there anyone that like renee's like in
that 50 to 60 or 40 range and i was like david hen and so i was pushing it a little strong i'm
and and i must have tagged you like six times and i was playing i was like come on lord like
got your wingman baby i was there and and david you didn't come across at all and i don't know
if you remember the chat people were like oh turn your camera on david like you're an attractive man
not just physically but i think like i just want to build into you my friend like the things that
god's been doing in you and who you are is attractive like you listen to people you are
showing up the fact that you show up to everything man like there are so many women in this community
who i'm sure would be like oh like you know how like you said to renee like oh there's a couple
women i'm interested i'm not being surprised but i'm sure there's a couple women who are like
oh i want to know about this mystery man who is david in pennsylvania you know what i mean like
you're a great man man so just know that thank you appreciate it and just keep showing up dude i'm
i mean like yeah you're doing i mean like yeah yeah you you really gotta let go of all the past
like i had i had some amazing opportunities in college but i felt like i wasn't ready for a
serious relationship then like i mean they would have been like you know really good really good
people to marry back then but you know i just wasn't there like being you know being like 19
i was still too young and i mean from a physical perspective like a guy's brain
isn't even really fully developed until he's like 25 yeah so so yeah i thought i had everything
together bro i i was invincible i knew everything it was great and then i hit like 26 and realized
that maybe i'm not as good not doing as good as i thought i was you know like you know you know um
but but you know you guys you're showing up and i just want to honor you guys for showing up and
um and like and just sharing your stuff you know we want to talk about breakthroughs and then what
we miss right like you know forgiving forgiving people's heart like doing the forgiveness is one
of the heart like i've done a lot of things in my life forgiving people was the hardest thing
i've done i think ever you know like myself being the hardest of the people that i had to forgive
but like what i did and i showed up and i got free right like you know the step you do the
affects your your kids your grandkids your everybody around me your neighbors right you
know um and so um so one of the things um actually i should take notes on this so what do you guys
want to see um for 20 like in this group like in this in last year single uh what do you what
would you like to see in 2026 like you know like like is there stuff that you still want to see
more of less of can we have just a little what um what your favorite maybe what your favorite
parts or what you would what you would like to see from from this program oh you're saying like
what it offers you mean basically yeah like like what improvement okay yeah like what improvements
would you like to see or what um like would you like more spotlights more like what like what
has been the thing come on david we could we could spot you like every week bro if we can you
just get it down you know like that you know uh but no i just the other one i was talking about
You receive it. I'm not taking it from you, brother.
We're like, we're getting this dude hitched and it's, it's, it's, it's 50.
If it's good, it takes 52 weeks.
I really felt like, I just want to share this. It's, it's really like,
the enemy's really been trying to hit me hard to like, forget about this.
But when like soon after I joined at this program,
which was basically about a year ago, um,
I really felt like God was going to give you my 13 years back.
And I'll explain what that means. It's like,
when I, um, and I don't know,
he's blessed me with like, I'm not trying to brag or toot my own horn,
but I feel like he's blessed me with looking decently younger than my actual
age. But the, um, when I was 37,
well, when I turned 38, only three days later, my dad passed away. So,
and, and last year, so that it's basically like a 13 year thing.
So it's like, um, I'm,
I'm just super thankful what God has given me. And right now it's just,
I feel like I need to rebuild some key relationships that kind of fall apart
because I was in a place where I couldn't do anything about it.
Cause I was falling apart and you know,
it didn't really matter too much if other people were, you know,
were good people or not,
because like I came to a point where just struggling with like inner
trust issues.
Well, you can't, you can't love others if you're not loving yourself.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean like, I mean like it's, it's, it's,
so it's not selfish to take care of yourself. It's actually, you're actually
going to, um, so.
And I'm more self doubt. So, so I, you know,
so that was another thing I've been working on too. So
here's the thing he says,
he'll redeem the years that the locust have eaten. You know, there's that verse.
And you know, could he do it? Like literally,
like give you back those years. Hey Hunter, like, you know,
could he, but,
but here's the thing is a lot of times it comes with acceleration or like a
blessing of something that's mature. Like, you know,
he turned water into wine and wine, wine is a mature thing. Right. You know,
like water, you know, it wasn't like it had to age.
It was immediately. Right. And, and it was great wine. So, I mean,
it was fully, it was fully aged and he can do that in a minute.
I mean, you could walk into the room. Um, I guess I'll share my,
uh, man. So, uh, I went to a reading this weekend,
you know, I went to the healing rooms and one of the, I'm calling people kids.
That's pretty bad, but he's like 22 years old.
And I met him at school, the prophets. And all of a sudden this dude,
I walked in the healing rooms and I had this dude just plastered to me,
give me a huge hug. And I'm like, JJ, what's up, bro. You know? And, um,
and he's like, and he wouldn't let go of me. And he's like, I just see you.
I just see your wedding. And I'm like, Oh gosh, dude. I'm like, bro, I love you,
bro. I love you. But I'm like, there's nobody in my life right now.
So then I walk around the edge of the paintings and run into a gal who I knew
that I, that, um, I was interested in like two years ago.
And she's painting in the healing rooms at Bethel. And so I, um,
just gotten to chat, started chatting with her and I'm like, yeah,
I really dig this. I really dig her. So, um, so right now we're kind of talking.
So like, you know, like, you know, so like I, I got, I got, I got, um,
you know, and she's freaking out a bit, um, which is kind of typical of women.
Well, I mean, I don't know typical, but like, I was like, Hey,
I just want to let you know, I'm not, I want to make sure that, you know,
this is romantically in like, I'm interested romantically, not platonically.
Cause like, yes, Mr. Richter, right.
No, no, no. Keep going. I just, I just had a question and if I didn't raise my
hand, then I, I just, okay. Cool. So like, so just, um, you guys,
I wasn't looking for nothing. I actually wasn't looking for anything at all.
And I was kind of jaded and like done with it. Right. I was like, you know,
women I'll be celibate for the rest of my life.
If I knew my calling didn't require a wife, right. You know, you know,
but just, just to encourage you, like you never know,
you know, um, like, and we'll see where it goes. I mean,
it's the first time I've had somebody reciprocate and actually be interested
back. Well, I've had a lot. That's not true.
Somebody who I wanted to pursue who also wanted was reciprocal.
I've had plenty of people who wanted to be in relationship,
like no thing. Well, cause I want somebody who's a good match anyways.
So that's just my, my, my, my praise breakthrough or whatever. Um,
and I'm freaking out a bit cause I'm like, Oh no, like, Lord,
what are you doing? It's I'd have to commute to Reading.
And it's really not convenient. And you know, I'm talking to, I tried to.
you know but i'm like i really i do really dig her you know and and that's another thing another side
um a lot of times if you are how do i say poo-pooing it or like i don't know how you would
call it like if you're like yeah you're justifying why it won't work or why it doesn't a lot of times
that do a self-reflection and you'll see that you really are wanting this and therefore you're like
i don't know i'm just you know i'm not saying that's all you guys but i say it's probably
uh probably a pretty good thing to self-reflect all right mr right what's going on
i'm gonna be quick you all know that's not true but i'm gonna try to be quick um so uh
uh so i think you you asked what could improve i think for last year single for me
having more opportunity to pray um would be awesome like sunday night's candy really
encourages that like having that man-woman prayer and not that i feel it unfair but i think like i'm
really praying for my from some for more fellow men to come in and i think for me i would love
to see it like because women's they have their prayer groups right um they have you know women's
prayer they have several days and there's faith friday and sometimes faith friday has prayer
sunday night is activation but that's a lot of prayer um but it would be so nice even one day a
week to have like an uh an inner like man and woman prayer time that would be because i was
talking with someone who was a girl um who's in the women's program and she was saying oh like
you know like how last year single praise and i actually started crying in the in the zoom call
because i hadn't experienced that and i and she the way she was describing how they do prayer
i was like oh that's amazing and i understand that like with prayer you know like they try to
be careful because it can be a little intimate when men are praying and women are praying and
whatever um that's one thing another thing it's really hard renee really tries it but it's really
hard to actually connect with the women in our community um like okay even if i have a spotlight
how do i other than when renee asks us how do i say oh hey you know what i've been seeing phoebe
in the chat or helen or you know these are the people that i'm interested in like actually having
a place to to express these are some people in my community i mean for me i have a rule if i'm on a
dating site and i see someone from last year single i automatically swipe right all of my like
you know like i'm someone i have an age range i have a country range none of that matters when
i meet someone from last year single but yeah i also just wanted to share briefly um one second
i forgot to say this in my big shirt before is that i actually wrote phoebe this week um because
renee said give it a month don't respond to phoebe and after last night candy was like write down your
dreams and the activation and i literally had christian retreat center and then phoebe wrote
christian retreat center and i deleted my post before i sent it in the zoom and i was like whoa
and then i i was thinking about i've always wanted my mom's a twin so i've always wanted
twins and phoebe wrote you know i i have this dream that i just need to trust the lord with
and it was like having twins and i was like whoa that's one of my dreams and so i prayed
and the lord said david you can't wait anymore you need to respond to phoebe and and i was like
no god and then i was like a whole night 24 hours of wrestling i work nights wrestling with god
about it and then the lord was like you need to give this to me and so i just wrote her a little
thing i don't care if she responds it just said hey you know i'd love to maybe connect on a video
chat 30 minutes friendly um if she responds great if she doesn't great but i did what was
best for me anyways thanks guys well sorry and and so i think that's a great thing um david where
you were on yeah you waited a minute you room you looked at it right and then you still felt it and
ran it through the lord and um and you honored you and and i know you well i think i know you
well enough that you honored her too i'm sure what you said was honoring her as well right like
so as long as there's honor honor i think too often i and like i'm not gonna speak for you guys
what i had something that i've seen is when you've been dishonored as a kid
you are willing to honor people but not yourself and one of the growth tools one of the things to
grow in is like you can honor yourself and people and other people too right you know it doesn't
have to be like one or the other and like when you're a kid that way you think that you're
dishonored so the other person can be honored and there's this juxtaposition right and so like it's
really important that y'all are y'all i just got texted you know i do it for cali to text
But y'all are a man of honor here around here.
We're being an honor and we we take care of not bad.
Yeah. You know, it's but like.
And I honor people because I'm a man of honor,
whether they're honorable or not, does that make sense?
I love people because I'm a lover.
Now, how does that work?
What do you mean by honoring yourself?
OK, so. When your needs are in need,
when your needs aren't met, let's enunciate syllables
when you're a kid, you think that everybody else's is more
their needs are more than your own.
So then if you grew up in like a codependent thing,
like we're having an addict as parents, like I did,
where you're meeting their needs, but your needs aren't getting met.
So you're honoring them, but you're not honoring yourself.
And you have this self abandonment. Right.
And so like, so that shows up in relationships.
I mean, I know that the way you see some of that.
Lack of honor, also a reflection of your own fear.
The reason I ask is I told you earlier about my own sense
of unworthiness, right, coming out of my childhood, right?
I came out two and a half years ago.
I came out of a two year relationship with somebody who I thought
was the most Christian relation, grounded Christian relationship I had.
And we had to talk about getting married.
And we were talking about until the point where we got to the conversations
of how would this actually work if we came together and got married?
Because there were some touch, you know, touch your points
when you start talking finances, well, how are we going to handle finances
if we're married? Right.
And how are we going to where are we going to live?
And what are we going to do in terms of now?
She was she's she's Korean.
And she had been in the States for 25 years.
So she's well into the state.
Yeah. At the same time, she has a cultural need to remain connected
with her Koreans in Jersey's got a large Korean and Asian population.
So she's able to really stay connected to her community.
Best ever had was in Jersey.
What's that?
I said the best kimchi I ever had was in Jersey.
Yeah. Yes.
So end result was she ended up ending the relationship.
Part of it was touch points around finances.
Part of it was dealing with the issue of cultural continuity for her and stuff.
But. I left there and what took me back was
she got basically gaslighted me after that.
And I couldn't understand.
Like we were and we acknowledge this relation.
She told me at one point, you know, you are the most health.
You are the healthiest male relationship I've had in my life.
And then at the end, it's cold turkey, you know, turns on a dime.
Now I'm going to gaslight you.
I won't even open up to a conversation about this.
So and I'm reading them asking about the honor piece of this.
Was it also ties in, I guess, a little bit with the closure question
that Jackie had in the on the chapters on forgiveness was
I feel like I didn't get that closure that I want.
But the closure I needed wasn't really necessarily.
I forget how Jackie phrased it in the book now, but.
I needed some closure because
I guess I don't I wanted a validation of some sort.
Because I'm out there feeling like I'm unworthy.
Tell me why I'm unworthy.
You know, 100 percent.
Well, and OK, so how you.
So I forget there's a word.
There's a bias that your brain has.
Right. Like where if you're looking for.
Yeah, well, or unhealthy, like whatever, like if you're looking for a negative
thing to to to like it happens in scripture,
it happens in so many different areas of life.
It reinforces your it's your the bias that you have.
So if you're biased that I'm bad, you're going to find everything
that says that you're bad.
But if you're biased, that you're good,
then you're going to find everything that says that you're good.
And like, you know, and like and so.
Gosh, I wish I could remember that terminology, but
but the whole thing is, and that's why it's key to do the hard work
is to shake in like and David, it filters another way of saying it
like the way you filter things or the thoughts in your mind.
And that's why it's important to take every thought captive
to the obedience of Christ, because what does God say about you?
Like because what I say about my what Mike says about Mike
isn't always really good.
Well, yeah, it's got it's gotten better over the years, but it's still.
Oh, like, I'm pretty self critical, right? You know, like,
and because I had to be self critical, because I had to be
perfect to be loved. But yeah, I'm perfectly loved by the
Father. Right. And so coming into that thing, and, you know,
and so, so honoring, and so you brought up an interesting point.
And I'm like, man, we want to go there.
And tying it back to the point of honor, I feel like I'm not
actually honoring myself.
No, you're not. And, and closure is a tricky, tricky thing. So my
stepdad is the person who has hurt me that well, my second
stepdad, I mean, I had two, three now. But anyways, I had my
mom was married four times before I was three times before
I was five. I think it was three times, three times before. I
think it was three times before I was four. Anyways. So I have
a similar story to Jackie, but, but my stepdad is, you know, I
actually led him to the Lord, too, which is kind of crazy,
like crazy redemption story. Like when you forgive, you know,
God can do crazy things through you. But so when one day when he
actually, I thought my whole life would be okay. Like, I just
need him to, Hunter, I'll get you in a minute, by the way.
Sorry, Hunter. I thought if I just got an apology from him,
that like, it would, it would, that's what I just needed an
apology. Right? And I got it. And I'm like, that didn't do
anything. Yeah. Like, like, I mean, like, did like, actually,
I was, I was upset. Can you get an apology and be upset? Right?
I was like, I got a thing that I thought was gonna fix
everything. And it didn't. Yeah. And so, and I tell people like
if, well, and I've watched people get barbecued and
crushed even harder, seeking that closure. Right? Like, like,
you guys, I, I can't, I can tell you, I probably 20 or 30 times
I've seen somebody actually get obliterated seeking that. And I
can't remember somebody actually, maybe there's, I'm
sure there's probably a couple, but like, I deal with a lot of
people like that, they got the closure and it helped. But for
the most part, usually that process. And so my encouragement
to you is the way you can honor yourself. And you don't, you
don't even need the, a lot of times you don't need the other
person to write a letter about everything that you like wanted
to say. I mean, some people are like, this is something you do
with somebody who's passed away. Like my grandfather, I had to
write a letter to him because he was deceased. Right. And I
just laid it all out in a letter. Right. And I just, and
then I burned it. Right. You know, I mean, you can do
whatever, I mean, like that helps, but I'm just saying like,
so when you need that was like, it's like, okay, I got it out of
me. Right. And I honored myself in that way. Yeah. And when
you've been taught to, to dismiss your needs, your whole
life, it's dishonoring yourself. So and that and then it's scary
to say, hey, you know what, I actually need stuff. You know,
because the people you've never been able to express that. And
you guys, you all have needs. Now, I mean, what there's
legitimate needs, and there's wants, there's wants and needs
like, you know, like, you know, so make sure that you're
expressing your want your needs that are needs and not your
wants his needs, but even sometimes your wants are
perfectly valid, right? You know, so like, in my
relationships, I required nothing of him. Everybody
required everything of me, but I required nothing of everybody.
Does that make sense? So I self, I self abandoned, I didn't honor
this person, right? And, and so, and David, I think, I think
you're Mr. Henshaw, right? Like, it sounded like you're really
like, when you're requiring that you're working on honoring
yourself really well. I've just seen both actually both David's
is like, you're honoring yourself. And what other people,
if other people have a problem with you loving and honoring
yourself, then they don't really need to be in your life, or they
need to be a boundary back or bound or they need to be on the
outer perimeter, right, you know, until they can show that
they're trustworthy to come in. So I just like if you have
somebody who you I mean, this might be I feel like a couple of
you guys might access might actually benefit you guys is to
write a letter, and not not to mail, not to give, but just
express, right? And then you can throw it in the fireplace or
shred it. I mean, like you choose what you want to do. And
that and then just yeah and then i did that in bible college once and you can give it to god
and then shred it right so all right mr hunter we got a couple minutes left i just hey good to
see you how are you doing all right but before before hunter go hey hey wait wait what's sorry
no no i'm not interrupting hunter just can you make sure that all your all of our feedback gets
to jackie of the stuff that we wanted of improvement and i'm interested to know what
hunter thinks too like what they can improve upon for the men's program sorry hunter go
all right well you see i haven't been here for a while because i was abroad i finally got to go
abroad to greece and malt and i even went spent 72 hours in malta that's cool with my church
did you get bit by a snake no but they but they went but they said something about that so we got
to go see monuments too with our church group and well there was many couples there are 40 people
in the group there were five there were six they were six young adults including me and i think
there's one two three four five then there's five women and i'm the sixth and the sixth i'm the
other guy so we got to go and we had i know two women already who are in my church already and
i got to talk to them we we had a level one but and then over time i try to think about
how am i going to be i already want to give it to the lord and doing the hard work
thinking how can i socialize a little good because i'm going on the last year's singles
cruise after this thinking how can i do this because even though they may not be what god
has for me it never hurts to put yourself out there and hone your skills thinking about what
can i do to do it i want to be treated that way and not be treated that way it's all about
anticipating how they feel so we got to know each other on our way down to the airport and
we it was becoming good we had a level one a level two relationships and and i got i developed more
than one level two relationship with them and then we got on the plane and then all of a sudden we
got to i didn't try to go in and try to latch on to them or anything i just wanted it's all about
trying to think what what would they really want they really want someone who who wants to
acknowledge them and specialize in them and i figured you know what rather than try to attach
myself to them how about i just go where they feel like that i'm with them not not feel alone
because you can't there's a difference between wanting to be with the person versus you're just
next to the person so let's try there's something present versus being like being engaged in the
present versus just yeah it's basically the whole trip's about me what i what's a good thing we can
do one thing we cannot do that's the kind of skill i'm trying to hone on and then when they go off
and do something to chat i try to be possessive jelly and possessive thinking i'm not going to do
that you know i'm i'm going to give them a long leash on this because sometimes when you're in a
level three relationship you're always concerned what the other what your partner's up to or so
i'm going to feel like that but you know what i'm not going to let that become a big insecurity to
me you're just going to i'm just going to sit there and let them be me and put some trust in them
and then all and then sometimes i would try to be a gentleman saying it's okay if i sit down
like sometimes when we sit on need it's okay if i sit down they're like yeah we can and
we got to have the young adults group and i try to be the best gentleman as i can amongst them
well hunch i'm really glad you're you're looking um
well i mean this is okay you guys this for this is for y'all like for everybody right
we're actually looking ahead and kind of um figuring out hey what does this require to be
in relationship what how how could i i engage it like this might not be somebody who i want to date
per se but how can i just get in a combo and like get some reps in on the skills and um
and just rather than be be proactive versus reactive yeah like you can walk in okay so
you guys like if you if like you're walking into a place have your head up shoulders back huge
right walk in walk in you walk in like you own the room because you know i mean that's who you
are you guys are all powerful dudes right you're all amazing dudes walk in like you own the place
and that shirt that just changes everything right how you're seen how you're perceived
if i walk in slunched and like hi guys how are you doing you know like nobody's gonna nobody
wants to know what was gonna be like look at that scrub you know you know but i walked in
and then that chest back just wanting to hang out and you know um and then as i was saying there
was also the the part where i was i talked with some girl that some girl at our church and and
i was thinking i was infatuated about me being in relationship with her and everything
And the more I got to know her the more I'm thinking you know what if I was gonna if she was interested in me
And in again
I should see social cues where she would want to be around me a lot more rather than go about with her friends more
Well, and then I was thinking I instead of trying to make it happen trying to make you have I just sit there and and try
To say okay
If you if they really love me they should sit I gave my best and try to be polite
But if they really like me they would spend more want to come to me rather than me trying to go on
But in hunter it's I
Don't know. Yeah, I'm not gonna speak for y'all but like women are sometimes hard to decipher man
Like, you know, like, you know, are they they're hot cold there whatever, you know
But like if they really do like you they're gonna make it opportunity
Give you the opportunity in Rhodes, right?
And I did and one one time did I gave up the best version of me to her and she liked she was very
Proud of me sometimes because one time we went up to we were in Athens
I went up to the Arabicus and and we were doing something
I said after and she goes and I turned her off. I was like screw screw that I apologize
She goes I forgive you, but I'm not gonna condone it. And so we got to take photos and then
So I I don't instead of beating myself up because I did turn off some of them one and ones
Instead of beating myself up just try your best and learn learn and keep it to a minimum
It's best you know how so I and then we when we went to her tower last day
She I taught her about my situation my story and my upbringings and she was very proud of me because she knows I've a special needs
guy and
She liked the fact that I can she likes the fact I'm not gonna be defined by my circumstances
I'm gonna break through it and break and have my own and try to take control of it
and and even she even liked the fact I was able to organize my finances and put goals and think ahead and
Put and make go on a trip on my own to to bless it on my own. You're doing amazing Hunter
Yeah, she really likes that. That's the thing. She admires and respects about the positive fulfilling things
I can do in my life outside of my own struggles because even if you're I'm the best version of myself
There's no guarantee that it's gonna win the race ship and then she went off with her friends to have the girl talk and
Then there was one and and so and that's the thing
Here, I mean and you guys all
Well, I'm you should
You know, I speak in absolutes and then I'm about to start speaking in absolutes and then I'm catching myself you all should
But here's the thing
You show up with the best version of you that you have at the time
Mm-hmm, right
You do your best job and if it works out amazing if it doesn't you did your best
There's great energy like they get like like the gal on Sunday. I showed up as me and
You know what?
Regardless of how it works out. That's a win
right because usually I show up and I'm
Tilted which is super awkward like, you know, I'm triggered like whatever like cuz
I
Just had a lot of trauma when it comes to that all that stuff
So when I get there all of a sudden my subconscious is firing and it's like, oh this is gonna happen again
You know like, you know
And so when I can actually show up present and that's something that I that I know about you know
Like the heart work if you know, you have something going in prep yourself, you know
I mean, I actually got kind of flat-footed and it was okay, but I just stayed as me and hunter you be you and whoever
You got two more kind of two more to talk about well
Over time so I apologize like next we'll try to get into that next but like
I'm coming in late because I'm gonna I'm busy working late. No, no, I understand so I but
I'm sorry. I had I was trying to fish and I got more details to bring into my trip. Anyways, why no
We don't have time to share that right today
But you guys show up as you're as authentic as you can be with who show up as you because too often
So when you have two people come together as
Something that the update the other person wants to see but not them true selves
Then you actually don't get they don't even get to know each other
Like if you show up as the true you and you see how they respond to the true you then she gets to know you
And you hopefully she spawns as the true her and you guys actually have something authentic
To assess whether it's good bad and different
But like showing up in the best way like Sherry the gal that I ran into on Sunday on on Saturday
She got the she got me and it's like hey love me hate me
Like, you know, but you got you got to experience the real me and for me that's a win because usually I get all freaked out
neurotic and, you know, like, oh my gosh, she's gonna reject me.
So I have to like, you know, I'm like, Bob, like, you know, so I, I got a lot of self
abandoning things that I've been working through over the years.
And so I'm like, she's gonna find a reason to hate me.
You know, like, it's gonna be evident because everybody else has already done that.
And that narrative starts playing.
And then it's self fulfilling prophecy versus, hey, I'm gonna show up as me.
And I dig this gal.
She seems really cool.
And if it works out, praise Jesus, if it doesn't work out, man, I'm really proud of me.
Right.
And so, um, so Hunter, I'm glad you had a good trip and I'm sure we'll hear more about
it.
But, um, I'll write down more details of how it went down.
You're just just a fraction of what I explained to what happened.
No, I know.
And I'm so proud of you, Hunter, man, like, you're so special, man.
And like seeing how much you've grown and just your share.
That was amazing.
Also, I wrote my Insta.
If you still feel like you need to talk tonight, I'm available.
I work nights.
So you can just call me after this.
And if you want feelings to share, you can call me better.
So don't worry about it.
I was searching.
I don't have my mouse that I normally have, but I'm like, yeah, yeah, a streamlined way
of connection.
Yeah, that's the.
So I got shared prayer time, connection times, streamlined, streamlined, sorry, streamlined
way to connect.
Yeah.
Like a weekly prayer time for men.
Yeah.
Weekly for men and shared prayer time.
Sorry.
I'm trying to lead as well as do all the notes too.
So thank you, David.
Weekly men's prayer as and connection to.
Oh, and I just put connection times because of what I'm hearing, you guys, like, it's
really hard to connect to the ladies in the group and like things, things that read connection
would be amazing.
Would you guys concur with that?
Yeah.
And if they just put their age in the frickin on their list, like, what are you looking
for?
Yeah.
Like, so often I'm like, she looks like she's 20 and she's 45.
And then she looks like, you know, like she's 45 and she's 25.
Like, I don't know, like a second, you know, like, so, but I'm proud of y'all.
Thank you guys for showing up and doing the work.
Yeah.
And just, so I'm going to suppress up Lord Jesus.
I just thank you for all the men that are going to listen to this, the men that are
on this call.
But Lord, would you help us to show up as who you've made us to be?
Would you heal the parts of our hearts that got broken when we were kids?
I'm just so proud of every man here.
Would you just honor everything they do with the heart work and Lord, would you help us
to see the things that are killing us that are, and be a self-aware and that, and would
you reveal them to heal them?
And I just pray for the amazing ladies in this group that you would bless, do the same
in them and that you would help Jackie and David to figure out how to get more connections
and just, and to do all the things that they want to do and just to bring the kingdom.
But Lord, I just pray every one of these men would feel your presence tangibly, that your
love would surround them as a shield, that they would dream again.
I just, yeah, Lord, that you would dream with them again, that they would allow themselves
to risk dreaming again, that their hearts would come back alive, that you guys speak
to all you guys' spirits and say, come alive, walk as the man that God's called you to be.
And just Lord, we just thank you that you're amazing and that you brought this group together.
And I just look forward to seeing all these guys get married to amazing women in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Love you all.
Have a blessed week.
And yeah, thanks for risking, being authentic.
You guys are all amazing.
Have a wonderful-
Thank you, Mike.
This was a blessing.
Thank you, Mike.
All right.
Take care.
God bless, guys.
Bye-bye.