Hey
Hey, this is men's heart check-in on January the 12th
2026
2026 the year favor
So I'm here with mr. Hinshaw. Mr. Silverman and
you know, um
David anything that you wanted to bring up
like it wanted to talk I mean we have a
We can't we can go anyway, we can go multiple ways tonight
I just if anybody has any questions that they want to like discuss or
Or that are like want to share breakthroughs, you know, let's let's do that but otherwise
You're gonna hear a lot of me talking and I prefer not that
So
So, all right cool, well anyways, I guess I'll start off because
That that quick I am driving right now. Oh, yes the mute unmuting challenge sometimes
So yeah, what's going on? What's shaking?
I'm just wondering it's kind of a weird question. But like
um
I've been in an environment for years where
I'm close physical proximity to siblings and
They're in all the very heavy
The
Deliverance ministry and
All that atmosphere that that brings in. Yeah
Kind of struggle with that. Like the only reason why I bring it up is I know that you
Are into like the way you learned it a lot
And I'm just wondering like what what what is like?
Healthy and what is like not so healthy if you recall to that
well
That's a
Well, okay, I
think
First off we're all called to some sort of I mean Jesus that came to cat sit the captives free
I mean like so there's some you know, we're supposed to help people, you know come into the kingdom of
God for you know, Jesus uses us right so
now there's some people who we there's a demon behind every bush and there's a
Like there's a demon for everything and I I'm not one of that that mindset I think
We're pretty good at screwing ourselves up on our own and we you know
They just give us some helps from time to time, you know, our spirits a real thing completely
Can we make a just agreements and stuff with that? Absolutely
but um
There's
How to say this nicely, um
There are some people who are demon hunting and that's not I don't I
Want I I could care less to do deliverance
Honestly, but I want people free. Does that make sense?
So my core motivation my core motivation is to set people free. I don't go looking for demons
They just end up manifesting and I get rid of them people ask for help and I help
right, so
Yeah, I mean when it comes to like getting involved with
Second heaven and territorials and all that kind of stuff. No, I I
Do I've come against principalities and you know, like I've done that stuff
So here I mean I and my and my advice to anybody who was ever in any of the situations
Are you covered is the Lord calling you into it?
Because if he's not then you're gonna get yourself in a lot of trouble, right?
And so, I mean I have been against principalities ever since I started my new church
It's it's it's just part it's it's just part of the gig of who I am and what and I am called to break things
And to make ways and to where other people can follow
But do I go looking to deliver people? No, because Jesus didn't really do that. I
Mean if you let me look I mean he found people people manifest around him, you know
They um, the the demoniac came up to Jesus for deliverance in the Gerasenes, right?
Gerasenes, right but like for the most part Jesus wasn't demon hunting either. Does that make sense?
So yeah the atmosphere around it it can get really intense. And if you haven't
So one of the things that I do after every session is I just plead the blood of Jesus over me and cleanse break all
the soul ties
Because people come in with critters and those critters come off and they're with you and then you just flush them out, right?
You know like so so when it comes to Abram we're talking about deliverance and stuff
Kicking it off with that. But you know, I and like I say
There is I mean there are I mean demons are a real thing people get a lot of people
One of the hardest things for me is
when people actually just don't want to be free.
There's a lot of people who are like, oh, I don't want all.
They wouldn't say it outright, I want my demons.
But by their actions, they were like, hey,
I'm not going to forgive.
So OK, number one thing that causes demonization
is unforgiveness, bar none.
Because it says, do not give the enemy a foothold.
Well, if you don't forgive, literally,
you're giving him a foothold to punch you in the face.
And then he can afflict you.
So it's really dumb.
Unforgiveness is really dumb, right?
And all its friends, like bitterness,
and holding grudges, and all the others.
Yeah, no, I mean, he built a house, right?
And so when people finally get tired of having him ruling
their house, and they're like, hey, can you help me?
I have no problem doing that, right?
Because Jesus came to set the captives free.
But when captives still want to be captives,
you can't really set them free.
Is that kind of what you're asking?
I know this is kind of a, does that help?
I kind of gave you a huge question.
So I honored you by even responding to you,
because it was kind of heavy, just to sit in the least.
But yeah, it is answering it.
I mean, I do want to come on the part that you said, yeah,
just the human condition, and error, and not really
knowing God's ways.
And then the enemy wants to come in and pour gasoline
on it, on our error.
Yeah, I mean, he's like.
And you don't want to just say, oh, it's all the demon's fault.
Well, I mean, the enemy has no power
except what he gets from the children of God, right?
So when he says, you've got this, and then you're like,
oh, yeah, I do, then guess what?
You do, because you just agreed to it.
He's kind of throwing out contracts, saying, hey,
would you sign this?
Would you sign this?
Would you sign this, right?
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it, yeah.
And so, OK, so if unforgiveness, the number one thing
to set people free is repentance.
You're like, hey, I made a kind of, you know what?
I repent.
I turn.
I break all agreements with that.
You know what?
I was angry when I said that.
Vows.
Like, I've done so many.
I had to break so many vows that I made.
Like, I will never do that.
I will never be that.
I will never be like my dad.
You know what I mean?
Which intrinsically sounds OK, but it binds you in a state
where you can't move, right?
And God's like, hey, we need.
And so vows or breaking vows and word curses, that's where
this is a bit.
I guess that is part of heart work, but like, you know,
I guess that's where we're going today, right?
So yeah, limits you in the ways that God does not
limit you.
Correct, yes.
Jesus came that would be free, right?
And so we get ourselves, we put ourselves in boxes, both
literally and like mentally and figuratively, right?
And God's like, you know what?
I didn't make boxes around you.
The sky is the limit.
It's really your ceiling.
We build our ceilings.
We're like by obedience and decision decisions and our
faith, right?
And so like, but like, I mean, like the number one heartwork
thing, man, is unforgiveness.
I mean, like you should always be you should never have any
unforgiveness towards yourself, towards anybody, right?
Because I mean, because it's just it's just like toxic
waste, right?
Like trying to like I mean, was it Socrates that says
unforgiveness is like drinking poison and expecting the
other person to die?
Like, it's it's like it's it's and I mean, I've been I've
been doing this for a long time.
And it's amazing.
Amazing is so they're not or I'm blown away by how people
won't let things go.
I mean, it's killing, literally killing them.
And it breaks my heart every single time, right?
Like because I'm like, you understand.
I mean, I've had the conversation.
You understand this is killing you.
And they're like, yeah.
And you don't want to let it go.
No.
I'm like, all right, well, then we're done here because
there's nothing more I can I can't help you anymore.
Right.
Like, you know, and I mean, I don't turn to some people
like, well, turn them over to Satan and then they'll
repent. But I'm like, that's one precedent.
And it's not somebody who's just having a hard time
letting go of something that was really hurt.
Right.
Yeah, well, they kind of already are kind of turned
over to him if you want to be technical.
They're 100 percent.
No, I mean, the reality is he's owning them.
That's why they won't let him go.
And then I pray, you know, I mean, I mean, I will pray
for them, but like a lot of times I intercede for those
people that they would actually come to a place where
they could let it go.
And 60, 40, 70, 30% of the time, after some time, a lot of times they come back and go,
I'm ready to let go now.
And those are beautiful things, right?
And then you watch them get free and you're like, man, God, you used me.
So like I say, unforgiveness, vows.
If you're dealing with somebody who's demonized, like washing yourself in the blood of Jesus
because like, I've had some, I've had some crazy stuff, right?
Like I don't like what in the world is going on in the Lord's, like he didn't flush.
And I'm like, Oh yeah.
So everything that fell off of them ends up in your, in your space and you got to get
rid of it.
It's not a big, it's not, it's, it's not a big deal unless you don't do it and you're
not in, you're kind of not paying attention, but I hope that's helpful.
Hey, bro.
How you doing, bro?
I'm doing good, man.
Good to see you guys.
Always love seeing you.
Come on.
So when I, um, like at one point talking about, um, it's like a head game and how you, um,
it's all in your head, you need to change your mind in order to get out of the jail.
It's in your head.
So I think I got lucky when I caught a case and I had a counselor and I was young, I was
like 23 and the guy for like weeks and weeks kept harp, harpering on is that you're like,
you're about to go to jail and you messed up and all this shit, but until you are free
inside your mind, it really doesn't matter where you are.
So even though I was like, you know, locked up for a little bit, I was still like, I just
changed my perspective.
Um, because I was like really bitter about it for a really long time.
Like my, like Abram Dukas versus the United States of America.
So there was like, you know, a thing where it's like you start hating society and all
that stuff.
And so you have to let it go and move forward.
Well, I mean, positive.
You don't really have a choice is how you do have a choice.
But the not do it is stupid.
Yeah.
Like in my head, I just convinced myself of this.
Like, you don't have a choice, but you go forward.
Stop the poor me victim.
Um, and you should be, you should be really proud of yourself, Abram, because like, um,
forward.
So you know how many people I watch just sit.
It's, it's, it's, it's a high, high percentage.
And that's, I'm proud of you.
Yeah.
I think a lot of people like, uh, like chicks, you know, if they get, you know, molested,
I mean, all kinds of stuff, like you have to eventually let things go because you're
holding yourself back.
You're right.
Like you're, you know, so it's, it's easy to say hard to do.
Oh yeah.
No, I mean, like you say, easy, easy solution.
Very hard to do.
Yeah.
And, and just to even face, I mean, even facing a lot of this stuff, right.
I mean, just, you have to face it to actually deal with it, to realize it's killing you.
Right.
And so, um, and that's why I love Jackie's book.
Like the heart that starts out with heartwork because that's, I mean, like it's, it's, you
can't have a good relationship if your heart, if you're, if you're a wreck, I mean, it's
just not, I mean, I'm sure there's probably like one in a million.
Right.
But like, you know, but, but like, you know, and I used to do things for other people and
I was realizing like, you know, and I'm just gonna do this for me.
That was a big, big step.
It's like, Oh, I got to do this.
So I get this.
And I'm like, no, I want to do this so I can get free, so I can get stronger.
And like, um, so I can just be fully who, who God made me to be, you know,
I had a business partner who, um, ripped me off for like 40 K.
No, I remember.
Yeah.
And so that took a lot of praying for me to forgive that person.
And it wasn't about him.
It was all about me.
Yeah.
Cause you're in prison.
Cause I was in prison emotionally for a long time.
It was like really angry stuff.
So yeah.
Praying helps man.
Praying works.
You know how many have had this vision?
I'm sure other people have had it before of like people sitting in a prison cell and the
gates open, but they're like, I mean like there's, there's no, they've never actually
been locked in it.
Yeah.
I mean, they've, they've, they've, they, you know, everybody, we're all powerful people.
We have choice.
We have the opportunity to choose and not choosing as a choice.
Um, like, you know, like, like so many other people, like, well, I don't want to shoot.
I'm not going to choose.
I'm like, well, you just did.
It's like, there is no not making a choice.
There is everything.
And, you know, and it's like, might as well make the choices that I made.
Everything's hard.
Choose your heart.
Being broken's hard. Getting healed is hard.
Marriage is hard. Divorce is hard.
Choose your heart.
I want the heart that leads to freedom and life
rather than the one that leads to death.
So, choose life over death.
Right?
You know,
new level, big devil.
I'm like, you know what, that's not even a thing.
Unless you allow it.
The enemy is a liar,
and if you agree with the lie,
then you empower the liar.
Right?
And I don't know about you guys,
but he's always throwing,
and I'll be the first to say,
dude, I empower him a lot.
Just being real.
But then, that's why repentance, okay?
So, forgiveness.
So, alright.
Man, I so am,
sorry, I'm a little,
I'm kind of freewheeling right now
So, okay, saying I forgive you
is great.
I don't want to discredit that,
but it's,
unless that turns
into a heart posture,
you really haven't forgiven them.
Right? And so,
people are like, well, and here's the thing that I found
in my history,
I got a PhD in forgiveness, right?
You know, it would come back up,
and I'd be like,
no,
I forgave that.
I let them go.
So, what I would encourage
everybody to do is
let it go again.
When the enemy keeps beating that drum
to try to get you to pick it back up,
you just say,
hey, no, I forgave them.
That was done.
And if you have to, write it in a book.
And say, it happened this day,
this time, I forgave them,
and I let it go.
Pray blessings.
So, every time, I don't know,
I'm kind of a militant kind of guy,
like when the enemy hits me,
I want to hit him back.
He would come at me, and I'd just start praying
for the person. And I'd just start going around
just praying and just blessing people.
I'm like, if you're going to come at me,
I'm going to go blessed and do what God's called me to do.
Right?
But, you know, my stepdad,
number one,
gosh, dude, he's destroyed my,
I mean, he almost killed me a couple times.
Like,
made my life hell
from about five to,
shit, yeah,
20, right?
So, little time, right?
No forgiveness there.
And, you know, I remember one day
I came home, it was Father's Day.
Oh, you know, the Lord has a funny,
funny way of doing things,
right?
So I came home on a Father's Day.
So it was Father's Day, and I knew,
it's like honor your father and mother,
and I was wrestling with the Lord all day long.
I was on my Mustang, driving like an idiot
because I was upset.
I came home at like 6.30 at night,
and my car was loud.
I mean, you could hear it two blocks away.
So there's no,
I thought about, I wonder how far I can coast
so I can just cruise into the driveway.
So I come around the corner,
and I had a,
I gave my mom my Ranchero,
and my stepdad is sitting on the Ranchero.
And the Lord's like,
so you got a choice.
Right? He's like, you either let it go,
or you continue this way.
And so,
I did. I let it go.
And I felt that million pound monkey come off my back.
And I walk,
I remember walking up to him,
and I was like, you know,
I'm going to wish you a happy Father's Day for what's coming.
Not for what's happened.
I was like,
there's so much stuff.
I was like, I don't want to hear your stuff.
Because all you do
is throw stinky stuff.
But,
you know, and then I,
and it broke off, that shackle.
That yoke.
But then it came back like,
hours later, weeks later.
And I started praying for him.
Right? And then,
on Father's Day,
another Father's Day,
I led him to Jesus.
I mean, like.
So, God's in the business of
full circles.
Right?
And I know that was the word for like, last year.
Was it last year?
You know what?
I'm terrible with time, and I apologize, Jackie.
But like, God's a full circle God.
Right?
And the circles may not
necessarily include the same people.
But like, he'll bring you in a circle.
So,
I hope that's helpful.
Sorry, I'm kind of spitballing.
But like,
I just encourage you, man, let it all go.
I keep no accounts.
But you know the hardest person to forgive?
Dude right here. I did a sozo session and we did the all the usual suspects, my grandfather,
like, like, dude, it was just, I have a list, right? And they're like, yeah, nothing there,
been there, done that. We beat that horse dead. Like, and then they're like, oh, what about you?
I'm like, forgive me? Nah, I'm good. You know, but like, you know, so that was a whole nother
thing of, it's not just those who have hurt you, but you have to forgive yourself and forgive God.
And the other one, the other one, people, I mean, I, I give you permission. Okay. Like if you need,
if you need permission, I give you permission to forgive God because some people think that
he's so high and mighty that you don't have to forgive him. It's, I had to forget, dude,
there's days where I have to, I'm like, Lord, I forgive you. It's now the causality is it's,
I'm not getting there. I'm not going to go there, but like, I'm just going to give you guys permission
to like, literally, if you have to forgive God for stuff that happened, I had to forgive God
for my childhood, right? I had to forgive, you know, and like, and so when I, hey, hey, Andrew.
So like, don't forgive yourself, forgive those who've hurt you, keep the unforgiveness. The
hardest person for me to forgive is myself, by the way, just, I don't know about you all, if you're
one of those people and I, and you've probably heard me tell a story, but I'm going to tell it
again, just in context, like I did something really stupid. And in the, right in the middle,
right, right. Oh, like just, I heard Jesus weeping. Cause I was like crucifying myself.
Right. You know? And so like, basically I heard Jesus weeping. He's like, I don't care what you
did. I just care that you broke fellowship. And I, and that, and you're being so mean to yourself.
Right. He's like, you know, he's like, you're not loving yourself well. And I, and I, and I,
and I'll be honest, guys, I didn't treat myself better because of me. I treated it because I
knew it broke Jesus' heart. I like to say I had the, you know, like I'm pretty straight up with
my, for me, I was like, I don't care about me, but Jesus being concerned about me loving myself.
Well, I'm going to be concerned about that because, but like when we, when we're mean to
ourselves, it breaks God's heart too. So, all right, Mr. Andrew, our,
you had the trip? Yes. Oh, here are feeding your face. How did it go? Really well.
Yep. I met her family and everything and we're really in love and it's great.
Oh, and that's it. Come on, bro. Like, like, like there's got to be more sister.
Uh, why would, why would I keep the sisters together? You'll move to California, dude.
Yeah. You need to get, you need to get out of there, dude.
It's warmer here. Well, kind of actually, it's been pretty cold lately. So Andrew, why,
why would I be proud of you, bro? Like I want to, the fact that you went, you had a good time. Like,
dude, I'm just, I'm beyond ecstatic for you, dude. That's so cool.
I was saying that, I was saying that, um, he would be proud of me because I am starting to
like declutter, you know, and organized because I'm going nuts sitting at home, you know? And so
I know that I was thinking of him a few times. Oh yeah. Because yeah. So all you have to do,
bro, is break your arm. Okay. And then you'll have like months of just nothing to do. Going
crazy. Yes. That's it. Hey, you got time, right? If you got the time. Happen to hear about your
girl, man. That's awesome. Yeah. So what was your favorite part of your trip? Well, I mean, um,
it's kind of cool. Um, being in your family and seeing your family's house and everything.
It's very different how they do things over there. And, um,
it's pretty cool. Um, of course your family's communal, right? It's more communal. Is that
one of the big differences? Yeah. Like, um, so her family's house is right next to her, um,
two houses of her uncles and, um, and her cousins. So like, it's like the whole,
like a few houses are like all family and, um, and, um, their house is like unfinished and she
wants to like make money to help them like finalize it. But it's kind of interesting that
the house can like have no windows and, um, some rooms like the electrical outlets are not like
finished, but it's still functional because it's like a warm climate. Like they can.
Actually live in there, even though it's like open to the elements, which is kind of strange thinking
Yeah, that's crazy. Mm-hmm, and they don't even have a um, like a running toilet
They just have like a toilet you have to pour water in by hand and that's how they flush it. You have to squat
over it, you know and
We have a I mean we don't realize how good we have it, right
Like seriously, like I'm like, I'm like, excuse me. You gotta do what?
And their shower, um, the showers literally we have to pour water over your head. Oh, so it's like camping but not
Yeah, mm-hmm, but right, you know and so but it's only like that because the house is not finished yet. Yeah
Well, I don't have that many peers sounds like I mean, I I you know, I mean in a way I'm jealous
Right, it's like my brother lives in Washington my cousin lives it back in North Carolina and all these are people who I love
I would love to have dude that they live next door dude our kids. It would be just so amazing
Right, like, you know, and so yeah
In a way, I have like jealousy, right, you know, but well, you know, it's interesting because um, I
Don't know why because I was thinking about so, you know, it says
Jesus says I go to build go to my father's house to build them build the mansion, right?
or whatever like like
basically, like the whole Hebrew thing was the guy would go back and he built an add-on to his father's house and
The father wouldn't let him
The father was one determined when he could go get his bride
So they would get betrothed like, you know, and then he'd go build onto his father's house
Get it ready for her. Then the father be like go you can go
And go get your bride now, but he's the one that determined it not the groom, which I thought was crazy
You know and like when you're saying it's unfair. I'm like, it's just kind of funny
No, like, you know just reminded me of like how how?
You know
Jesus is preparing is finishing our place for us. That's true. Yeah, right like isn't that I don't know why that story came to mind
But it's like I mean, he's out. He's there. So the word mansion can be addition to so like, you know, yeah
You know like or it's an addition to a mansion like, you know
Like mansions are multiple rooms and you add an addition to another room another house. It's
so
So
right now
Like we moved on from our courtship phase to be like in our serious relationship phase
Yeah, so that's cool and um, but the thing is is that um
Before she gets married. She wants to finish this renovation
In order to do that she needs to
She needs to get a better job that actually makes her enough money, which means that she's trying to like find a job abroad
and
One of the places we're looking for a job for her is in Canada so that I can cross the border to visit her
but the problem is is that like, um
Like you have to find a workplace that we're going to sponsor you, you know, I'd say a sponsor right? Yeah. Yeah, and she's like, um
She's like basically entry-level. So it's like
You know in a country like Canada, they might be looking for someone who's like super qualified
Yeah, and she's just like, you know, like she has her degree and she's she's like I've experienced in some programs
but she's not like, um,
Love yeah, she's not top tier. So it's like, um, how do you find a job?
With that kind of thing. So it's it's kind of tough, you know, she might have to go somewhere else like Ireland or
Lord Jesus, we just asked that you would intervene and that you would guide and open up even doesn't matter
What what level we're at Lord that you can open up the doors
We just asked it you'd open doors that no man can shut and that you would guide the whole process
And give Andrew peace and wisdom and how to support and
Yeah, or or Lord just drop
Finances in favor where it just gets finished so then she can move on Lord
However, we're not gonna limit you because you're limitless, but we just praise you and thank you for what you're doing. Amen
Thank you, Lord. Yeah, so and I'm willing to I'm willing to you know, help her family out with that
Financially, but the thing is that she doesn't want
Me to be burdened with it. So she wants to like do it herself. So
So I'm in a position right now, it's it's kind of
Yeah, very similar but in a different completely different way how much I want to share
So I forget the levels. I'm so tired. I hadn't paid attention because I haven't
So, I haven't been on a date for three years, and now I've had two in the last two weeks
with the same gal.
The one that my friend set me up with, that I said that, you know, like, I was surrendering
my life and then got—just for people who might watch this.
So long story short, too late, I had surrendered my life and my dating life and everything
to the Lord at church on the altar, and at the same time my good friend was setting me
up on a date, you know, and then that week we had a date, and we really connected.
And now, I think level two is like you're just like in community, and then level three
is like you're like—I think so, I think we're level three and change.
But she's in a position where, single mom, right, doesn't have a lot of cash, stuck
in a predicament, and I mean, I'm just like, hey, I have the resources and the—it's
like, hey, I want you free, and I want you to be—regardless if it's me or not, but
like I just—so I was like, hey, I'm willing to invest in this so I can get you free.
So I just share that because I literally had that conversation Saturday, so it's not yesterday.
I was like, sorry, it's Monday, I try to keep everything straight, but yeah.
My full day back from the Bahamas.
Welcome back!
Nice, Bahamas.
Yeah, I just have—I had a little social experience, and a lot of the ladies I heard
said, even though it wasn't that bad, Jackie even zoomed in on us.
I told her, bad news is I didn't get a girl, the good news is I didn't experience this.
She told me that there's someone in the girls' group that a girl or two might be interested
in me, and she says to shoot out on administrationjackiedorman.com, thinking, all right, what to write, because
I don't know if this is an exaggeration.
But anyway, Hunter, you're looking—dude, I love the beard, obviously, you're looking
pretty studly, bro.
I just want to—you're looking really good, dude, I mean, like chick magnet.
No, I'm going to need to get my fade done, too.
So, but look, I like your look, dude.
It's kind of rugged, it's rugged, it's like—so Jackie doesn't play, so if Jackie says she
has something, she has something, like, do what she says, all right?
Jackie doesn't play around, like, so email admin at jackiedorman.com, all right?
But dude, I would keep that—that look is—that look really—dude, you're looking pretty
studly, dude, I love it, I'm digging it.
It's rugged, it's—yeah.
And another thing, too, is that I found a way to communicate a little better with women.
I made some little mistakes, but you know what?
I don't become antisocial, I didn't turn them off so bad, I cleared it up.
Some things I shouldn't have brought up, but you know what?
I just say, it's honest, like, learn not to bring it in, and I make up for it, and I now
have two or three of my friends on Facebook with.
Yeah.
So I figured, you know what, why not just—I was like, where are the—and Jackie's like,
where are the other guys?
There's—there's one guy who I'm rooming with who's level three, the other guy is off
somewhere else doing whatever, and I'm like the main guy in—it looks like in the photo
I'm the main guy in the group who wants to be involved with hanging out with women.
And even I got a good review with Angela, who is a travel agent.
I even brought up my—brought up Amazon because I'm a driver, and that brought—sparked a
conversation really well.
Sounds like you're growing—I mean, Hunter, it seems like—I mean, you're growing by
leaps and bounds, dude.
Like, and, you know, it's—I mean, it's about the reps, right, eventually something's going
to fall.
And I had a little negative thing where I shouldn't have brought up the thing, and I'm
37, and I feel like I'm wasting my life, I come—well, at least in my mid-30s, I got
my own job, especially around swimming delays that I was on the beach with her during 1941.
So you learned what not to do.
Don't do it again.
I know.
And I also, like, I had a situation in Nassau, and I was like, we got lost because the communication—because
the app where we communicate, like, the chat only works when you're around the ship, and
when—not so much with free Wi-Fi or network.
So I was like, you know what, I'm going to get lost.
I see couples, and they're girls in G-string bikinis.
I want my spear—walk with my spearman dress and exact bikini.
And I got—that's the enemy poking, saying, this should be you.
He said, you know what, I'm not going to fuss, I'm going to enjoy myself.
If I can't learn to enjoy myself, how am I going to love—
Someone else. I was like, and some women helped me try to,
I was like, you know what, we can't communicate.
Let's make this a learning lesson
when we go to the next island.
And I, they liked the fact that I developed a trait
of a positive attitude.
No, dude, no, nobody wants a freaking,
oh, the world is terrible.
You know, nobody wants to marry Eeyore, dude.
Like if you're an Eeyore, I'm sorry.
If you're an Eeyore, become a Tigger,
or at least get some sunshine.
Exercise, a little sunshine, maybe a little cookie.
Have a cookie.
I got a tan too.
Oh, dude, I love your tan lines.
I neglected to put on sunscreen
so that some of the women, some of the ladies would know.
You look amazing.
Hunter, keep that look, dude.
I'm telling you, bro.
Abram, go ahead.
Abram, what's up, dude?
Mike, you got to finish about the finances,
or you don't want to finish.
Okay, so, all right, you guys.
You have to finish.
So here.
So this is kind of like a situation where,
okay, am I willing to take on a partner if she has debt?
It's not that.
Or like some kind of financial, like.
It's more complicated than that, but.
I think a lot of us have to struggle with that decision.
Well, here's, so I think, okay, so you're always gonna,
I mean, I get brought,
everybody brings all these crazy scenarios to me, right?
And they're like, what is the principle?
So they're looking for a principle, like a law, a rule,
right?
And what I've learned is, so my divorce,
like my ex, right?
I had my, it says in the abundance of counselors,
I had my evangelical church friends, which I love greatly,
which I, that's the way it was.
And then I had a couple of spirit filled guys over here,
and I kid you not, I talked to my evangelicals,
who was, which, cause I was an evangelical, right?
And it went horrifically,
cause they were giving me principles.
My spirit led people over here are like,
well, that sounds like a terrible idea.
Why did you do that?
Like, cause I didn't talk to.
What do you mean by a principle, Mike?
What do you mean?
Like, can you give me an example?
Okay, so you read a thing in a book.
This is great for marriage, right?
Well, that may be great for marriage,
that may be great for their marriage,
to whoever that wrote that book's marriage,
but for your marriage, it may be very different.
And that principle, like, I mean,
there's certain principles that are like, you know, can we?
Oh, you're saying they try to give you advice,
but it wasn't like applicable, or it was irrelevant,
or it wasn't hitting the nail on the head.
It was relevant to them and their walk,
but it didn't work for mine, and it blew up my situation.
And I wish I'd listened to the Holy Spirit
a heck of a lot more.
So you took their advice,
and then you tried to apply it, and it kind of.
And it fricking exploded.
So if you don't hear the Holy Spirit,
principles are great, right?
Like, you know, five love languages, those are principles.
Those are all really great principles.
Which ones to apply at what given time,
that would be a Holy Spirit thing, okay?
You see that, like, right?
So, you know, when she says, this is my love language,
but your spirit's saying, no, it's not.
She thinks it is, it's really this one.
Then you can tinker and, like, go with the spirit
and see if she comes up.
Or, like, which one brings the most,
fills her love tank the most, right?
So, but if you don't know which one it is,
and she just says it's this one,
go off that principle, do the best.
Because even in that principle,
there's different nuances to it.
That person with that love language is going to,
they'll, like, do X, Y, and Z.
Well, X and Y may be great, but the Z doesn't work for them.
So, being led by the spirit.
So, helping somebody financially before you're married.
If you're in a committed, if you're engaged,
you guys are kind of figuring that out.
Taking on the debt, that's, I,
that is, that's a legitimate thing.
No, no, I, so, so yes, so Andrew, so that was my point.
Right, right, like, like, okay.
Man, so I'm going to,
if you feel the Lord, so pray about it.
Like, Lord,
okay, I am in a lot of situations where
the Lord's like, I want you to help this person
financially or otherwise, right?
And there's other situations where I get in
and they're, and I'm like, oh, I think I should.
And he's like, no, not this one, right?
So, pray about it.
Ask your spiritual mentors, like, is this what, like,
so that's, whenever I have a question, I have, I have,
for around me that I go to and I go, Hey, you guys, because I know I'm not the best
judge, right?
For spirit led mentors, people who listen, who hear, who have a history of hearing God
well and have helped my situation, right?
Not just random people who like, sorry, I'm a little bit all over the place, but I go
to them.
I'm like, you're saying you need to guard yourself by getting some help from some advice
from other people, because outside your back and it will be to your detriment, right?
And because some people, if they're working off of principle, we'll be like, that's a
terrible idea.
But it may be that God put you in that situation to be the very person to help, right?
So like, but unless now, if you're in a relationship with somebody, you're already going to be
wanting to help.
So like, like if you talk to your spiritual mentors and they're like, we think that's
a great idea.
Great.
Go for it.
Do it.
God's in it.
If they say, no, it's a bad idea, then I'd still press in.
But I would listen to, but I, and I, good advisors, and that's the thing, you guys find
good advisors that, um, the situation I'm in, I would not have ever entered in except
for two of the people who I trust the most that I think this is from God.
Because I wanted nothing to do with, I mean, like absolutely nothing.
I was running the opposite direction and they're like, Mike, we see God in this and we think
you should pursue it.
Right?
Yeah.
And I think it's important to get the right type of advice because like, um, I was on
this online Facebook group called expats living in the Philippines, like people that are like
Americans living in the Philippines.
And a lot of them were telling me like, you shouldn't be with this girl, you know, like,
cause she's a breadwinner.
And I'm like, well, you don't know who she is.
You don't know what I've been through.
And I think that what a breadwinner, a breadwinner, you know,
they're saying, you know, it's like too much of a financial burden.
I shouldn't be with her.
But it's like, well, I've discerned that I want to be with her.
Like, uh, I don't think that their advice is like sound, um,
in your circle.
Yeah.
I mean, they're pulling things out of there anyways.
Um, yeah.
So Meg, you said my beard looks good on you.
Your beard looks good on you, Hunter.
Keep it, dude.
You look, dude, you look amazing.
Well, why doesn't Andrew have his beard?
Well, not as thick as like mine is.
Cause you know, like you got to do what the ladies, what your lady wants.
But anyway, I'm not saying that's what happened, but he looks great too.
But Hunter, I'm saying that that look is really good for you and you should try it out and
see how it goes.
So anyways, circling back around.
Okay.
So in every decision, you know, this isn't just in relationships, guys.
You need those people around you for every decision.
Right.
And like, I'm really humble.
If you want to be honest, like this gal, I would have never picked her in 10,000 years.
I would have swiped left on, I would have swiped on her, you know, like,
right's good, left's bad, whatever.
I would have not.
Left bad.
Okay.
So I was on 12 apps, I should know, but it's been a while.
I never would have pursued her in a million years.
Yet I find myself, I just don't want to be with anybody else.
Right.
Like, and so like, um, that says a lot to me, like my, my, and I feel safe with her.
So my, like my bot, which is not, which for me, that's, um, when I feel safe with somebody
that's significant, um, because most of my life I haven't.
So like investing in somebody who's, so there's some legal stuff she's in and I have the capacity
to do all the paperwork, um, because I've done it before, um, and do the filing fees
and stuff.
Right.
And I have this thing.
So I'm not saying I'm not spending billions of dollars.
Right.
But at the same time, um, there's a real big hitch and she's trapped.
Right.
Yeah.
Lawyers are 200 to 500 bucks an hour.
400 an hour.
Yeah.
So here they're four to four to six.
Right.
Yeah.
For good ones.
Yeah.
And so like, um, and I already spent 30 grand on, right.
But so because I spent 30 grand, I learned how to do all the paperwork.
Right.
And I got really good at lawyer speak.
And so, um, I've helped, I'm not an attorney and don't ask me because I'm not giving you
advice, um, because I won't and I can't.
Um, but what I do is I know how to fill out papers and I can submit them to somebody who
knows how to read them correctly and do the right things and whatever that costs, I'll
pay it to get it done.
And rather than spending 20 grand.
grand could be 500 bucks, right?
Like, you know, or whatever, like an hour, right?
So see, so I just, thank you, Abram, for pressing that.
I didn't want to talk about it,
but I think if you're gonna give 100 grand to somebody,
don't, no, no, no, but like,
if 500 bucks can help somebody be free,
I would do that too.
Abram, if you were like, Mike, I'm stuck,
I'm really screwed right now, I'd do it for you, right?
So it's not-
It's not, but it's not.
And I've been blessed to be a blessing.
So if you've been blessed to be a blessing,
and be smart, because there's,
takers don't have any boundaries, right?
They'll just take, but like, I really hate,
okay, deliverance, we started out
talking about deliverance, right?
What is deliverance?
If somebody's stuck, right?
Inner healing, I do a lot of inner healing with people.
One of my gifts is to help people get unstuck.
And if that requires money, great.
Dude, I have, I've been blessed.
I make some money, right?
And so, and Andrew, I just share that because,
I don't know, I don't know what the amount is,
and I can't, I figured the Philippines,
the conversion rate's probably pretty good.
Could be completely wrong.
But if she's stuck, and your advisors say,
hey, we think it's a good idea for you to help,
but I would listen to those who you trust,
who have a history that you can trust.
And so.
Well, of course, she doesn't want me to help, so.
Well, and so I broached it this way.
I was like, hey, you know what?
I have these skills, and I can help you get,
I understand that you're stuck,
and I can help you get unstuck if you want to.
If not, I mean, like, it's like,
if you want to get unstuck, I will help you.
If not, you can continue there, right?
And just, and set them free to make the decision.
But, you know, you're like,
I'd really like to see you unstuck.
Yeah.
Right, like, so.
Well, 500 bucks to her is like five grand, right?
I mean, I can go a lot farther over there.
Over there, so yeah, and so,
and like, you guys, I make a ton of money.
I have a ton of money in the bank.
So, okay, so I'm not sacrificing,
okay, another principle, right?
Don't put things on credit cards to help somebody, right?
Don't, I mean, like, if you're okay,
okay, unless, well, I don't,
actually, I don't see the Lord ever saying that.
But like, you know, like, just,
but like, it's all Holy Spirit counsel, right?
What if you were, I mean,
and this just happens to me all the time,
that I happen to be the person that God brought in
to help people get free, right?
In every area of their lives, it seems like.
And so, and Andrew,
it may be that you guys came together to do that,
but you only know if you're talking vertically, right?
And horizontal people agree.
And so, but in any decision, you should be doing that,
in any big decision, right?
Sorry, I didn't mean to belabor that point,
but I think it's, I've watched so many people,
so much destruction.
By people talking about something
that they thought they knew,
and that God wasn't in it.
And I watched relationships go away
that should have never gone away, right?
And, I mean, and there's some people
who are in relationships that shouldn't be anymore, right?
I've seen it go both directions, right?
Like, I watched abuse, being, somebody being abused,
and I'm like, you need to get out.
Well, my pastor said, no.
I was like, dude, you need to get away.
He's gonna kill you, right?
You know, and thankfully he hasn't,
but like, you know, like, you know, like,
but like when there's things where somebody's in danger,
like principles suck.
Well, you go back and love him.
Well, no, get the heck out.
Call the cops. Get away, huh?
Call the cops.
Yeah, get away, get safe, get people around you.
And if he shows he can change, and he wants to change,
and he stops abusing, then here, cool, great,
but don't be a punching bag or a doormat,
because of a principal and a bad pastor
who's just talking out of, like, you know,
like Jackie talks about, like there's a whole thing
about the Jewish divorce.
Like if the dude abuses you,
that's grounds to divorce immediately, right, done.
Like, so like, if he's hitting you,
you have grounds for divorce, right?
Now there was two rabbi or two, no, yeah,
there was two rabbis, like, you know,
like, you know, Jesus referenced the one
that Jackie referenced.
If you ever want to hear that Jackie did a great job
and I need to go find it again,
but my whole point is, guys, listen to the Holy Spirit.
Surround yourself with people who hear God well.
I mean, like I say, I've been in so many situations that violated principles that I knew, but
I knew God was telling me to do it, and then I watched it out, and sure enough, it worked
great.
It ended up setting people free.
Deliverance happens with demons.
It happens physically, like setting people free from trafficking.
Deliverance is, you know, financially there's deliverance.
There's deliverance in so many different areas, right?
And I'm realizing I'm a deliverance minister on so many different levels.
You know, speaking of deliverance, before we close, I'd like, doesn't have to be now,
but I'd like prayers from some friends of mine that are in a dark place.
They're good people, but they're being attacked by the devil, and it's horrible.
Yeah, he likes to remind me, well, we got five minutes, so what are their names?
So Michael and Anna, they're like a good Christian couple.
They're like a little bit younger than me, and they have two kids that were taken away
from them because of child protective services with a false claim against them, and they
won the court case, but the judge still won't give them their kids back because she's convinced
that they actually abused them, and she wants them to get counseling.
And they want to get counseling, even though they know they're innocent, but she's saying
that they're cherry-picking a counselor to agree with them when they actually were just
trying to get any counselor, and the court would not appoint the one for them.
So this judge is just really evil, and she's against them for no reason, and they can't
get their kids back.
It's Michael and Anna?
Yeah.
So Lord Jesus, we just come and ask all of heaven to move in Michael and Anna's behalf
to get them their kids back.
Lord, that you would intercede, intervene with this judge, you bring whatever angelic
assignments are needed.
We just ask that the enemy would be rebuked.
We put the cross of Jesus between the attacks and this couple, and we just proclaim freedom
to her and her kids.
Lord, I just pray for a redemption, restoration, and restitution, all that they've had to spend
and all this extra time that the enemy would have to pay mightily, but Lord, would you
set all those kids free and get that family back together in Jesus' name, amen.
Thank you.
Sorry, I've heard stuff like that before, and I just, yeah, it goes beyond.
So we've got a couple minutes, any other prayer requests, anything that I can, I mean, was
this helpful you guys?
Yeah.
I mean, I kind of free-willed a little bit, but like.
Yeah, it was good.
Yeah.
Oh, hey, so I've got to show you guys this.
So I was cleaning, right?
And I found these.
Have you guys heard of that game God of War on PlayStation?
Oh, I've heard of it, I'm not familiar with it though.
All right, look, dude, look what I found.
Oh, this is cool.
I found his blades with the chain, dude.
Oh, yeah, I've seen that, yeah.
A friend of mine bought these for me, and they hang on like a little wood plaque.
Oh, that's super cool.
So see, Andy, if you clean, you're going to find cool stuff that you own that you forgot
you owned.
Well, and you know, there is a prophetic principle in getting your house in order.
And like, Andy, it's just like getting your house ready for a spouse, I mean, I would
highly recommend, I can't highly recommend it enough because sometimes, actually quite
often in the natural, what happens in the natural brings the supernatural to pass and
things move.
But I'm really super stoked about your gig and your trip.
It's awesome to hear.
Yeah, and I did, I don't think I told you about that yet.
I actually did have my house cleaned.
I had some, I hired some friends to come clean my house, and I've been able to keep it
at least in somewhat good order.
How does it feel?
It feels really good. And I also have a dishwasher now, so I don't have to have
to mount a dishwasher all the time.
Oh, dude, dishwashers are really helpful.
It's a tabletop dishwasher, because I only have room for a real one.
So this one is good enough.
Dude, praise Jesus.
That's it. That's a gift, right?
Yeah. It's amazing, like, because now I don't have to, like.
Because the problem is that it's like, I didn't have the mindset to wash the dishes all the
time.
And that's why it didn't get done.
I was just like, I was just like, burned out.
Yeah.
And they stack up quick.
Yeah.
They stack up really quick.
Well, and you know, you guys, just to still, forgiveness is bad.
I mean, unforgiveness is bad, right?
Like, you know, it keeps you bound, right?
Like forgiveness is great.
You know, listen to the Holy Spirit, get people around you who hear the Holy Spirit because
you really, I mean, dude, there's so many things that I do that I won't move without
my friends.
Actually, I will move without their approval, but I would, I'm reticent to, and I actually
haven't ever, because they usually agree with what I'm sensing, right?
But I get that, go to them for confirmation, you know, and if the voice of the Lord, like
legitimately says, Hey, do this.
Well, didn't do it.
But like, you know, like I've had that never actually.
I've never heard the audible voice of God.
I mean, I've had a, Lord, we can work that out.
But you know, but like, I just, you guys, holy, like, listen to the Holy Spirit.
If you're in a relationship with somebody, you need somebody outside of you guys, because
you're inundated with endorphins and all that crap, like, and I know I'm tilted, right?
I'm like, how is, I'm like, how is this a good idea?
It seems, you know, like, you know, like, so you need those people to be like, yeah,
Mike, that's not a great idea.
I'm like, okay, cool.
Or I'm like, no, I'm not doing this.
Not a good idea.
They're like, no, we really think you should.
I'm like, no, we're good.
I'm totally good.
They're like, you know, all right, you know, are you, are you running from this?
I'm like, what?
No, never.
Who would?
Me?
Nah, I'm the, I'm the pastor guy, like the one that gives everybody else advice.
I don't know what you call me, call me all my stuff for, but you know, I feel really
loved, right?
And I have, and I allow people, certain people, you guys, and that's the other thing.
Make sure it's certain people that you trust that have a history of being good for you.
Right.
Don't trust somebody who's destroyed your life.
Right.
And so I'm going to pray.
What?
Oh, yeah.
So I'm going to pray us out, Lord Jesus, I just pray for all the men on this call.
The ones that aren't on the call, the ones in last year single, Lord, would you just
bring friends that hear you around them?
Would you give us wisdom?
We need wisdom.
We need discernment.
We want to walk in lockstep with you and do everything that you've called us to do, Lord.
We don't want to deter.
We love principles, but we want you to be the principal one we listen to.
Lord, would you just speak to us in new ways and open our eyes to see and our ears to hear.
I just pray for those who don't have anybody in their life right now, Lord, that you would
bring them and for those who do, that you would make it clear and you would help things
move on.
And I just pray for acceleration in this season.
And just thank you for all these men, these mighty men of valor.
You would watch over them and their worlds.
Would you make a path straight before them in favor with wisdom?
But Lord, would they, most of all, would they just know you deeper, Lord?
Would they get more of you?
Would they be okay, no matter whether there's somebody next to them or not?
Because you are next to them, Lord.
Would you help them all perceive and know that, in Jesus' name, amen.
Blessings, y'all.
Love you guys.
You know, thanks for letting me ramble for an hour.
I hope it benefits and blesses you all greatly.
All right.
See you guys.
Yep.
See y'all.
Blessings, guys.
Good night.
Night.