Hello, welcome. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome for another time of heartwork. We're here
tonight, Monday night. Good to see you all. I see several familiar faces. Hi, ladies.
Welcome back. I'm going to just wait for a minute or so. We'll let more people join.
I know it's just now 8 o'clock. Hopefully, you all have been having a good week already.
I know it's just Monday, but it's been a good day here. We had a lot of rain and stuff in
Florida. A lot of thunderstorms. We're already starting to step into our summer season. We're
tiptoeing into it, but that's what's happening here. All right, I'm going to go ahead and
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the chat for us so we can welcome you. Welcome back to all of our ladies that are joining us
again for another time of heart healing. As always, I kind of cycle back through some of
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every Sunday morning or actually Jackie and them I think are doing them now on Saturdays because
they've kind of taken that part over and so basically what those are is it's based on
Supernatural Saturday content and it's helping you kind of get the breakdown, the summary of what was
talked about, but that's not the whole call. So make sure you're still you know listening to
Supernatural Saturday when you can, but that summary is there for you so that you can really
pray about what's been released and what is God saying to you through it and we love for y'all to
comment. It doesn't have to even be a big comment. It can be just a little thing like in that moment
this is one thing that I felt that God was saying to me you know when I heard it or when I read the
summary or things like that. And here's why y'all we believe in this community a lot in activations
and the reason we believe that is faith without works is dead and so what we're trying to do was
we're trying to continue to activate you all in these things that we're releasing in the community
through the course content, through Supernatural Saturday and trying to teach you how to implement
these things into your life and so the more you engage with those kind of things the more that's
gonna help you. Maybe you didn't even know that we are putting those posts up in the group. That's
in the community tab, but also quick easy way anytime we as the leaders put a post up in the
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it really quickly. Okay, all right and on that note we also did the replays available for
Supernatural Saturday under replay tab. We also did prophetic ministry night last night. If you
weren't able to join us that is recorded and also available under your replay tab as well. I believe
it should already be there by now and I hope that that is a blessing to you if you do check that
replay out. All right let me pray for us. Father thank you so much for this night. We thank you God
for everything that you're doing in our hearts and our lives. We thank you for revealings for
healing happening one after the other after the other. We thank you God for renewing our minds.
Yes Lord that you are transforming us every day moment by moment. Lord I thank you for upgrades
from heaven tonight that you would help us to hear what your spirit is saying to us Lord and that you
would help us to walk in.
step with you, Lord, that you would just connect dots for the ladies where they've been seeking
you. They've been looking for answers. They've been looking for breakthrough. They felt stuck,
but God, I thank you that in you, Lord, there's always movement. So Lord, I thank you that
you're moving things in their life. You're healing them and you're going to help them
to continue to walk further into freedom and the fullness of all the plans and promises
that you have for them. So Lord, we just thank you for upgrades. We thank you for and suddenlies.
We thank you for healing. We thank you for transformation. God, and I know Lord that
you're doing great things. Holy spirit. We thank you that you're here, that you're walking
among us. Even right now, we ask you to help us all to hear and connect, um, directly with
you to sense your presence tonight in a special way and Jesus name. Amen. And so tonight we
are talking about submission, submission, and sometimes people don't like to talk about
that, but a lot of times it's because there's been some kind of wrong, uh, usage of submission,
wrong understanding, wrong teachings. And so tonight I want to break down some of those
wrong teachings also help you better understand what healthy submission looks like, how it
functions, um, and some scriptures that support this, and then also help you guys kind of
start to unpack that in your own lives a little bit more. And so as we've been talking about
in this community and in this course, God will not trespass. Okay. God is not going
to trespass ladies into your heart. He must be permitted to enter. And a lot of times
just for me, when I was going through the heart work, God was really talking to me and
Jackie might've said it. I'm not sure if I heard it from her, if God spoke it to me directly,
but I just remember knowing that God was asking me to take down my do not enter signs. Like
in my heart areas that I still was kind of like, yes, I want everything you have for
me, Lord. Yes. I want healing. But then when he would come, you know, knocking at the door
of certain areas of my heart and the life and things I've been through, there were times
that I just really struggled to go there, especially when I had already processed some
of that stuff. I really didn't feel like I needed to go back into those areas, but the
Lord knows exactly what we need when we need it. And he knows how to get it to us. And
so as we continue to heal, remember there's layers to healing, there's layers to forgiveness.
And so if God is leaning us back to something that we've already visited before, it's because
he has a greater revelation, a greater healing, even more forgiveness layers that he's trying
to help release to us and help us to receive it. But he's standing at the door of our hearts
and he's knocking and we're going to read that scripture in a little bit. And he's doing
that tonight, even regarding submission. God is a giver. And one of the most beautiful
gifts he has given us is free will and choice. And he's given that to everybody. He respects
our boundaries. You know, a lot of times there's most people, you know, that I find that get
stuck in situationships or, you know, really unhealthy relationships and dynamics, not
even just romantic, but even friendships, co-working relationships, you know, all kinds
of things, partnerships, you know, they really struggle to set boundaries. Well, God is big
on boundaries. Jesus even himself set boundaries, you all. It's really important for you to
understand that. Jesus himself set boundaries. So why would they, why would God and Jesus
and the Holy Spirit not want us to set healthy boundaries? Okay. And so he respects our boundaries
and he's not going to force anything on you. Now he will lovingly, you know, lead you and
guide you with his loving kindness. He will try to speak to your heart through the Holy
Spirit. Sometimes we're willing to listen and sometimes frankly, we're not. But God
always comes back and he always lovingly continues to try to lead us into truth. Submission,
some religious men and women in our lives, again, maybe these are leaders inside the
church. Maybe they're leaders outside the church. Maybe they were in our families. They
weaponized the word and portrayed the thoughts and messages that they were conveying as if
they were from God himself. But they have been misrepresenting God and his heart and
the truth regarding what submission actually means. I'm not saying all ministers have messed
this up because that's not true. But I'm saying even myself over the years, and I believe
100%, some of the people that taught it incorrectly had good hearts. I'm not even saying every
person is bad intentions. I'm saying that some people do not know the fullness of the
understanding of what the scripture actually says about what submission is supposed to
look like. And a lot of times in romantic relationships, you know, it's conveyed that,
you know, you just submit and you listen and you know, all these things. And there's been
a lot of relationships where there's a lot of
of lording things over another person, and that is not a part of the Father's heart,
and I don't believe that's a part of what His plan is for any of you.
The Holy Spirit is the one who can help us discern what God's truth is about submission
more and more in the days to come.
So if you've been through bad experiences in the past regarding submission, again, no
matter where it came from, no matter who it was that was giving you those messages, we
can heal day after day after day, and the more that we heal, the more that we grow in
our confidence in the Lord, understand what His Word says in the full context of Scripture.
The more that we know those things, the more that we will learn to trust ourselves, trust
the discernment that God is giving us, and typically the Bible talks about having a cloud
of witnesses, if you will, and asking people, you know, a group of people, wise people for
insight and revelation, you just have to make sure that they're healthy people.
They might be wise people, but are they healthy people?
You want both, okay?
And so as we continue to walk, we want to be willing to allow God to reveal areas for
healing where we have misconceptions, where we have faulty belief systems that are preventing
us from living the healthy life that God actually intended for us from the beginning of time.
From the beginning of the time He created us.
You know, He has this plan for us, and He wants to help us walk further into that tonight.
Colossians 3.21 says,
Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.
In the Scripture, the Greek word here, actually, provoke, it actually means to stir up, to
excite, to stimulate, especially to anger, or to provoke a child.
And so the reason I want you to understand, you know, most of us know what provoke means,
right?
But I'm big on like, okay, but let's, let's look underneath of that a little bit more,
you know, to stimulate a child, especially to anger is, to me, another whole level of
provoke.
So we're seeing this prodding and this kind of poking at, if you will, and then what does
it say?
It says, if our fathers do that, if they embitter us, then we become discouraged.
Discouraged here actually means, in the Greek, disheartened, dispirited, broken in spirit
to be dismayed.
So I want you to understand that tonight, the reason I'm going in this direction is
that it's, it's important for us to address the unhealthy experiences that we've had with
fathers, ex-husbands, men in authority over us, as well as mothers who were very brazen.
The Lord had me include that today when I was writing these notes, specifically mothers
who were brazen, that's what I heard the Lord say.
Or maybe the mothers who walked in masculine, tough energy towards their children.
Maybe even mothers who walked in a lot of anger and bitterness and resentment, and then
that was being conveyed, and the children were being really bullied, you know, abused,
maybe verbally, emotionally, mentally.
So yes, I am leaning into the father aspect, those in authority, but I want you to understand
that there's something the father's trying to bring out regarding the mother aspect as
well tonight.
Arianna, I'm going to actually look up, I know what it means, but I want to read it
specifically.
So we'll read that tonight, definition.
She's asking for the definition of brazen, sounding harsh and loud, like struck brass.
So sounding harsh, loud, marked by shameless or disrespectful boldness.
They were brazen, they disregard rules, you know, and they're very harsh and loud and
there's no shame in what they're saying to their children.
And typically, yes, there is a lot of disrespect, not only for rules, but disrespect for other
people and their feelings, their emotions, and all of that kind of stuff.
And so not only are we going to ask the Lord to reveal these areas tonight, but we're going
into the revealing for healing, to encourage you all to forgive these individuals for their
unhealthy actions, their unhealthy words, the mistreatment that, you know, the things
that were committed towards you that brought you harm in some way.
Because here's the reality, those people, like all of us are broken at some point and
broken people, guess what?
Hurt people, hurt people.
I'm not excusing it.
I'm not.
saying it's okay what happened, but what I am saying is that, you know, it's time for us to
continue to let go, to forgive those people so that we can move forward free from the chains
of what they did to us. That is not who you are, and that is not your future.
But we have to choose to forgive them. We have to choose to surrender this stuff to the Lord
because so many of us are getting stuck in different areas of our lives, and we try to
move forward, and we try to get breakthrough, and we just really continue to struggle on these cycles
because there's these areas of our hearts that still need some healing. And so God is not like
these people. We want you to know the importance of growing in your understanding of God's character.
It is key, ladies. That was a game changer for me. When I kept praying, God, show me who you are
as love. Like daily, I would pray that. Show me more who you are as love. I had a revelation of
God's love by that point. I was serving the Lord. I loved the Lord, but I knew in my heart I needed
more understanding because the more that I grew in the understanding of His love for me, the more I
became rooted and grounded and secure in my identity in Christ, and then I was able to resist
the lies of the enemy more. I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying that it does help. It's a game
changer. It's vital to your healing process and for you to step further into the freedom
and the fullness of God's plans and promises for you. So I want you to think about this in the
next few days and weeks ahead to really grow and pray about this. Look up scriptures about it
to grow in your knowledge of who is God as love,
who is God as kind,
who is God as faithful,
who is God as good,
who is God as peace. These are all aspects of His character. Y'all, He's not a man that lies.
He's not a shapeshifter. I just heard the Lord say that.
I don't know if you guys know what shapeshifters are. I don't know if I'm going to mess it up,
but they can shift and turn into different shapes to fit into an area and fit into a space,
if I'm not mistaken. I'd have to look that up. That's totally from the Lord,
because I don't think about shapeshifters, you all. But I feel like God is just trying
to emphasize that He is not a trickster. He's not trying to be one person over here
and another person over here. No, He is who He is. He says, I am the great I am.
I feel the Holy Spirit on that. He is the great I am. He really is good, you all. And I remember
the day, you know, years ago, that I believed it in my head, but my heart was conveying something
different to me. Because my heart, remember, our heart is deceitfully wicked. Who can know it?
The broken heart deceives us. And when we have mindsets and heart postures out of the
Yes, Lord. That are rooted in lies because of things people said or did to us. People that
abuse their authority, or they try to tell us we weren't spiritual enough because we didn't come
to the five services they were having every night of the week. I know some of you were around that
time back in the day. And I love the Lord, you all. And I'm so grateful for all these experiences.
We went to revival like night after night, after night, after night. And that was an amazing time
in my life. But then, you know, it started turning into if you didn't come to all that stuff,
then you didn't really want the meat. You didn't really want God as much as everybody else.
And then the Lord started saying, that's in my spirit. Like it just, I felt this. No.
I felt this. No. He was telling me, no, that's not what I'm saying.
And so I want you to really ask yourself, who has informed your thoughts about God?
Is it someone that's abused their authority and tried to tell you that you have to submit because
they say so? Now, obviously, as we're growing up, yes, to a degree, we do need to just listen to
our parents, especially if they're telling us something healthy and good to do. You know,
I was talking to one of our coaches today. She has three children and two of the kids
were home yesterday and she was wanting them to work on their chores. And, you know,
their perception was, you just want us to be perfect.
the time. No, I just want you to clean the pee off of your toilet. Like she had to
help break that down for them, but the reason I mentioned that is because there
are times where kids, our perception is that our parents are just being mean to
us. They just want to tell us what to do. That's not what I'm talking about here.
She was being a good mom. She's teaching her kids responsibility, teaching them
how to be a part of a family. The kids at first didn't perceive it that way, but
then she started asking them a question. Do you think a mom who loves you will
teach you how to clean so that you're healthy and your space that you
brush your teeth in is clean? Or just let all that go so it's a big
mess and you might get sick one day? Just trying to help them break it
down so they can understand that she loves them and she's trying to help
them and teach them. But then there's the other side where, you know, all this other
stuff happens and our parents sometimes push past boundaries and just because
they said so, we are then doing things that are not healthy for us. And not
just parents, but, you know, we see it in the news left and right right now,
unfortunately, about leaders in churches and ministries, you know, worship leaders.
I mean it's just coming out of the woodwork. I hope that none of you have
gone through that personally, but if you have, God wants you to know that he cares
about what's happened and he wants you to heal and he wants you to come closer
so that you can really receive the truth that he wants to continue to give you.
The word submission actually means to yield to the power of another. And for
some of us that's scary. Some of us have, you know, a lot of fear and so what rises
up in us is rebellion. We rebel when someone tells us what to do. Even some of
us, you know, I know I had some of this in the past, like a boss tells you what to
do and you just, you might not even argue. Like sometimes we're not openly saying
something to them, but in our hearts we're rebelling. I see Amy smiling at me.
Somebody, I got somebody agreeing with me here. Sometimes it's a internal, but you
all, it's all bitterness. It's all resentment. It's all rebellion. Whether we
say something out of our mouths or it's just living in us. Well, guess what?
Everything that's in our hearts is going to get reproduced. So at some point that
stuff is going to come on out. And sometimes it comes out at like the worst
times, right? Onto our kids, onto friends, onto whoever, maybe mom, dad. And so
let's, let's think about some of those things. Where have, maybe have you in your
life, um, you know, just felt rebellious and you felt justified for being
rebellious. And, and God wants to help heal that in you as well. Now standing up
for yourself under abuse is different than rebellion. I want to make that
distinction line as well. Okay. So yield to the power of another. Yield means to
let go. That means we're letting go in the process and we're saying, Lord, I
want to learn how to trust you more. I want to surrender the pen completely to
you. That we would be willing to submit to the absolute and greater truth than
what has happened in our lives, or maybe even what is happening right now. Um,
several months back, we had a lady in our group. She's in one of the other
phases now. Um, her son had gotten into some trouble and was incarcerated and
she, um, was taking care of her granddaughter and the mother was still
kind of involved in the granddaughter's life. Um, but it wasn't a good situation.
And while she was in the heartwork, the mom ended up taking the granddaughter
and fleeing. She was, I think went to another state for a little while. And so
we were all praying, um, with her, the grandmother, you know, for, for the
little granddaughter to be returned safely. And so you all, a community
really matters. Okay. Sometimes there's this greater truth. And the reason I
brought that up is that was a situation that was happening right then as she was
going through the process and, you know, willing to submit, surrender that
situation completely to the Lord and trust him. Y'all know that kind of stuff
is hard, right? But that doesn't mean it's not worth it. It doesn't mean that
God's not going to come through for us when we know the one we're submitting to
when we really know God and his character.
which is what I was saying earlier, when we know who we're submitting to and we trust them,
then it can help us to choose to submit to them. So I would, I kind of want to put this
out there for you to think about. If you struggle to submit to God,
I'm going to say that you lack your ability to trust Him on some level. You may trust Him
to some degree, but there's probably a lack of trust in there somewhere,
which means that maybe you don't really fully believe He loves you.
Maybe you believe He does, but then there's another part that's like,
I don't know, He feels like He just, you know, He's just like everybody else in my life.
He says He's going to do this, and then He just never comes through for me.
Y'all, I want you to know if that's something you believe, that is victim mentality. Those are lies.
If God will do it for me, the Bible says He will do it for you. He's not, you know,
He doesn't pick and choose who He's going to bless and be kind to. He's loving. He is love.
He literally cannot deny Himself. He can't deny who He is. He is good. These are literally
attributes of who He is. Out of His love and His goodness, He will bring conviction into our lives
to try to lead us to a better path. So who are you submitting to in this season? Are you submitting to
God, or are you silently rebelling in some way, shape, or form? The key, remember, is being rooted
in His love and understanding His love, and then our choice to submit coming up out of that love,
out of the overflow. Submission is not about someone dominating us, controlling us,
or us dominating and controlling other people. You know, some of us are trying to make other
people just submit to us. We don't want the kids to ask any questions. We just want them to submit.
Just shut up and listen. I don't ever say that. Praise the Lord. I never said that to my kids.
But some people say that to their kids. Some of you have had that said to you, probably.
That isn't how God talks. So if that's how you hear God, I want you to know that He wants you to heal
so that that's not what you hear anymore. The internal dialogue of things that we've heard and
and gone through, again, it changes the filter of how we hear from God in our day-to-day life.
God is not this evil man waiting to punish you. So if you are afraid to make decisions because
you're so afraid that God's going to get mad at you, like you're just going to screw it all up,
that isn't true either. Do you know that God wants us to actually do our best to hear Him and take
steps out, and then if we are going in the wrong direction, He will lovingly redirect us?
That's truth. I'm not sure if I understand your question, Sonny. Can you do both? Can you give me
some clarification on that in the chat? Submission is not about dominating someone, right? I'm talking
about that. It's not about controlling people. Submission is about mutual respect. It's about
mutual surrender. So I want you to kind of imagine person A, person B. I'll use Brian and
myself. That's my husband. So if I am submitting to him and I'm being mutually respectful and
choosing to surrender, what should happen is we should become a team because he should also be
choosing to submit and surrender. That's how it's supposed to work, that we submit one to another
in a marriage, okay? That you're a team. Does it always feel like that? No, because some days you
just have an argument or a disagreement, but then hopefully you come back together
and you submit and you learn how to love each other and work through it.
Can you be both rebellious yet submissive? Well, yeah, I think you can because I think that
outwardly you can look like you're submitting through your actions, but yet internally
thinking rebellious thoughts towards those people. So yeah, I think, am I saying that those two
things, light and dark, can come together?
coexist? No, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that. Because we know the word says that wherever
light comes in, darkness has to flee. But what I'm saying is we can kind of, you know, like that
session where I talk about all the different masks that we can kind of put on, I think we can put on
a submissive mask. You know, some of us, again, we say we want, you know, we have people all the time,
they say they want a spirit mate, but then they tell us this isn't so much rebellion submission,
but I just want to give you some examples. But then they tell us they're too busy to date.
Y'all, those don't go together.
Yeah, like false humility. You're right. It those can all be kind of partnered together.
Yes, Haley, great question. She said it's not true submission if it's out of fear, right?
Yeah, it's, it's not because again, submission and mutual respect is out of a place of love.
I love my husband. And so I choose out of the overflow of my love to submit from a healthy
whole place in my heart. When I struggle to submit you all even after you know, we've been
married almost four years, there are times where I still feel that like, ooh, not because of Brian,
can I trust him? Can I submit to this? It's more about revealing for healing happening.
You see, it's not just like, oh, this just goes away. And it's forever gone. No, this is a process.
We have to continue to shed these layers, you know, as we go. I don't want any of you all thinking
you have to have it all figured out before you can move forward. That's not true. You this is a
process of our lives. The Bible says we're going to go from glory to glory to glory. This is a part
of that. All right. So part of me as I was sharing, you know, sometimes and again, it's not a reflection
of Brian. He is a trustworthy person. I can trust him. He's proven that he's kind. He's good. He has
a good heart. He doesn't lie to me. But yet here the thing is, I grew up in a home that was a lot
of abuse. A lot of my dad was an alcoholic and drug addict, lied all the time, cheated on my mom.
My brother, both of my brothers sexually abused me, not safe there. My younger brother stole money
from me all the time. So there was a lot of things where I people that, you know, tried to
make me submit. My brother used to joke around and, um, would like literally pin me down. He thought
it was so funny. And then he would like, you know, I don't know if you guys ever had brothers like
this, but he would like drip spit to try to like, get it as close to me as possible. Y'all those
are horrible. Like that was not fun for me, but it was like a form of him getting like, it was like
him having power over me. Do you see what I'm saying? Even those kinds of things, like there
might be people that might have never bothered them, but that, that bothered me because you
know what? Not only was it so gross, but I didn't like what, like he would hold me down and do that.
And then there were times he would literally, it would literally drop on me. It was disgusting.
And he thought it was funny. Probably because I think my older brother did it to him.
I'm almost certain of it.
Yep. And no dad there to protect. And my mom, you know, worked a lot. And then even when she was
there, she was kind of checked out. And so that's something, when I went through this whole
submission thing, I didn't feel like I had to submit to my brother in the sense of like me
choosing to submit to him. I felt like I was forced to in those kinds of situations against my own
will. And so I had to forgive my brother for a lot of that kind of stuff, both of my brothers
in any way that that came up. And so for whatever reason, I don't normally share that spit story.
I think in the time I've coached for five years, I think I've shared it twice.
And so whoever that's for, if that kind of stuff happened to you, I'm so sorry,
because there's some dignity that's lost in those kinds of things, you know?
And that was not God's plan for me. And I don't believe it was God's plan for you.
Revelation 3.20 says, Behold, I stand at the door knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens
the door, I will come into him or her and eat with them. And they with me. I want you to see
the kind of symbolicness here of intimacy. God is saying he's standing at the door of our hearts
and he's knocking. If we will answer the door and open it up to him,
he's not only going to come into our
hearts, but he's going to eat with us and us with him.
Feel the Holy Spirit on that too. It's a, it's a sign of fellowship.
It's a sign of intimacy and closeness.
You know, people, typically people you're close to you eat with, right?
You spend time with people, you get to know them over food.
God wants to know us and he wants us to know him in your heart healing process.
We encourage you to yield to God first and foremost.
Remember he won't force his way on you. He's going to stand at the door and knock.
That's why I'm talking to you about this. And he's asking you permission.
Can I come into this area of your heart? Will you give this to me?
Cause I don't have bad things for you. I have good things for you.
Job 22 verse 21 in the NLT says,
submit to God and you will have peace.
Then things will go well with you.
Submit to God and you will have peace.
Then things will go well with you.
Peace here in this scripture in the Hebrew language actually means to be in a
covenant of peace, to complete,
to finish, to make whole or good, to restore.
So what God is saying through this is he's saying, Hey, submit to God.
And you're going to have this covenant of peace.
You're going to have this completeness.
I'm going to finish the work in your life that I've started.
Proverbs three, five in the message translation says,
trust God from the bottom of your heart.
Don't try to figure out everything on your own.
Listen for God's voice in everything you do and everywhere you go.
He's the one who will keep you on track.
Don't assume that you know it all.
God is for us.
Well, God is for us.
He's cheering you all on and, and more than more ways than you even know right
now. I'm going to get you ready for your breakout session.
Your question for there tonight is this,
do you struggle with submission? Why? And then for those of you,
because I have, I'm confident some of you will be here tonight and you'll be
like, I actually don't struggle with submission at all.
I had good parents and I learned how to love people like you're talking about
and submit through, you know, that place of love.
If that's the case, I want you to share about that as well.
But if you've had not good experiences and you do struggle with submission on
any way, I really would love for you to talk about that.
All right. What was the second to last scripture?
The scriptures were Revelation three 20. That was the first one.
The second one was Job 22 verse 21 from NLT version.
I just really liked that version. Um, so that's why I use that one.
And then Proverbs three five from the message translation.
Do you struggle with submission and why I'm going to read the submission
activation over you all before we go into breakouts.
I love to do this because it kind of just,
I believe helps get your hearts in that right place. Sorry, hold on one second.
Let me just turn to it. And this is in your heart work book. You all,
you can read this over yourself often. All right. So I try to encourage y'all.
If you don't want to, you don't have to,
but I love for y'all to just close your eyes if you're willing and let me just
read this over you. Father God,
I give you permission to search me and to reveal anything in my
heart that does not belong to my true identity and that is hindering me from
living the life that you created me to live. Holy spirit,
I invite you into the darkest places in my heart.
Show me the areas that are still wounded and are still hurting.
When you reveal these broken places to me,
I covenant with you to release them into your care and to respond with
forgiveness and repentance.
I set aside this season of my life for a time of healing and wholeness and ask
Holy spirit to take charge of this process.
I ask that you dwell with me and in me, I need you.
I cannot heal myself. I want to be free from the past,
free to be who I truly am.
Help me to become who you've created me to be.
Show me the lies I've believed about myself, my life, my surroundings,
and even the lies I've believed about you. God, teach me the greater truth.
Teach me your ways. Teach me how to think and how to live abundantly.
Teach me, show me, heal me, grow me.
In Jesus name. Amen. All right,
so I'm going to get your breakout rooms ready. Um, hold on one second.
Um,
I'm sorry, I didn't know if somebody was saying they couldn't join a breakout.
I'm going to do.
I think we'll do three to a room again tonight.
I kind of liked that you guys got to meet a couple more people last week.
And two or six.
So we'll do we'll do eight minutes again gives you guys at least,
you know, a little over two and a half probably.
Yeah, about two and a half minutes a piece.
So be aware of your time short, brief and powerful ladies.
Okay.
And then if you do have a little extra time, you guys can just talk to each other.
Where are you from?
Maybe something you love to do.
You can share something fun about yourself.
Okay, get ready.
It's going to come up on your screen.
Here you go.
Click to join those as quick as you can.
I'll be here praying and getting people situated.
Right.
Awesome.
You guys are doing great.
Two in there.
All right.
See here.
Six.
Sorry, got to get somebody situated here real quick.
I did see your thing come through Lisa.
Let I didn't get a chance to read it all but I will get it here in just a
second.
Okay, cool.
I've got two people there.
All right, Father.
Thank you so much for all that you're doing already tonight.
Thank you for healing us.
God do your work.
You're so good at what you do.
Just bless the ladies as they're in the session talking to each other and
even those here in this room.
Let's see.
You can go into the breakout still Lisa if you wanted to do that or you
can just stay here.
It's totally up to you.
There's no right or wrong there.
Okay.
I did have a quick question for you though regarding the conversation of
abortion.
So I don't know I but I think you're going to take this time to pray.
So I just don't know when to follow up with that and it feels odd to talk
about it so much later, you know, with I don't know from your from your
post.
No, there was a call.
I was on a few weeks ago and you had said well, let's continue talking
about this next time because the day the the call was ending that day can
do it during the coaching time.
What coaching time the group coaching time?
Just so that I can keep prancing.
Okay.
Yeah, because that's what I'm saying.
I just don't know when it's appropriate because every subject is different
each week.
You know what I mean?
Like I don't know that's okay.
You can just during the coaching time.
You can let me know like this that you are circling back on a previous
coaching session.
Okay, so should I do that for next Monday or should I do it this Monday?
It's totally up to you.
Yeah, if you feel like with the mechanic and stuff, it would be better
to do it next week.
We can do it next week, but I do want to pray so that the ladies when
they hear the replay, okay.
All right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
And so Laura, we just thank you again just for all that you're doing
and all the ways that you're continuing to help us to grow into the
fullness of who you've created us to be God.
We thank you for healing in the depths of our souls God where there's
been harm done to us Lord in any way where people have Lorded the
word submit or submission over us God.
We're asking for yes Lord.
Just like Psalm 50 talks about creating us a clean heart.
Oh God and renew steadfast spirits within us God.
I thank you that you would just open our eyes to things that are unseen.
Yes Lord that you would help us to have greater Revelation greater
truth that you are the light of the world God.
There is no darkness in you that Jesus is the one that is the light
that you sent to shine a light for all of us to see so where we just
thank you that you're here being our friend as you say that you are and
so inviting us into relationship inviting us into connection with you
and the father and the Holy Spirit.
We just thank you God that you would just continue to yeah, just shed
old mindsets off of our minds that like freedom and truth and Revelation
would rule and reign in our hearts in our lives.
We thank you God for restoration and all the broken and fallen places
God.
Yes Lord that you are rebuilding the foundations of our hearts and our
lives our family lines God.
We thank you that we are kinsmen Redeemers that we are being used for
your purposes and your glory God.
We thank you that you would just continue to help us to make the
connections that we need to make Lord so that we can receive all of the
insight that is needed.
Yes Lord where people are battling any kind of fear holding back Lord and
ways that continue to hinder their process forward.
They're forward progress as well. Process forward and forward progress. I heard both of those.
Lord, we just thank you that you're removing obstacles tonight.
God, that you bring peace right in the center of where that fear has been.
And we just declare no more fear, no more anxiety in Jesus' name.
We bind and break every spirit of fear, every spirit of anxiety, every spirit of worry or panic or dread.
And we just bind it and break it in Jesus' name.
And we declare healing and wholeness.
And we just thank you, Father, for losing spirits of love and of power and of a sound mind.
That we will walk into, yes, Lord, rooms that are full of surprises for us.
I just saw somebody opening a gift and it just reminded me of just how often God surprises us.
And so thank you, God, that you are doing that.
You're preparing things for us, even right now, that we will walk into in the days to come.
I thank you that we don't have to be, yeah, Lord, we don't have to be daughters that are afraid or run away from you,
go into isolation or pull back, God, or withdraw.
But, Lord, I thank you that the next time, this is what I'm hearing,
the next time we feel fear that we won't turn away from it because we remember that perfect love casts out fear.
Because fear has to do with torment.
And in you, God, that that cannot exist.
So help us to turn to you instead of turning away from you.
We thank you.
Yes, Lord, I thank you for the revelation of your love in a fresh way that you would help us to grow.
And the revelation of who you are is faithful, God, that you do show up for us.
We thank you that you continue to lead us into wide open spaces, God.
Yes, Lord, I thank you that you would give us the courage to take you by the hand,
to walk into your plan and your promise one step at a time.
We thank you that you, yeah, Lord, yes, Lord, that you would cause our hearts to burn for you in a good way,
that we would fall in love with your word as we read it, that revelation would come as we read your word, God,
that new things, as we're reading, things would jump off the page at us and it would just be illuminated,
but we would feel it in our spirit and it would resonate in us, God.
I thank you that you would help us to never be satisfied away from you, apart from you, God,
that we can't do anything apart from you, God.
It's in you that we have the fullness of life, and God, that you are the vine and we are the branches,
and that is how we flourish, God.
We thank you that your living water is flowing tonight,
that it's flowing into every place, bringing refreshing, bringing healing, bringing redemption.
Yes, Lord, I thank you that it's causing areas that were stopped up before to begin to flow and move.
God, we thank you for just continuing to help us to, yes, Lord, to glean in the fields where things have felt hard in the past.
God, I thank you that we don't partner with hard.
So we're going to partner with grace and ease in this next season, that even our heart work, God,
that even when we feel resistance, that we can partner with God.
I thank you that your grace is sufficient and you enable us to do all things, God,
and we thank you for empowering us through the, yes, Lord, through the power of your Holy Spirit,
even to do our heart work.
Yes, Lord, thank you for this reminder, too.
As we talk about forgiving those people that have Lord and authority and, you know, the submission over us,
Matthew 6, 14 through 15 in the Passion Translation says,
Jesus said, but if you withhold forgiveness from others, your Father withholds forgiveness from you.
So, Lord, I thank you that you are giving us courage to choose to forgive tonight,
that you are helping us to lay aside every weight that so easily ensnares us
and that we would press on toward the high calling of God for our lives,
that we would turn to you, that we would surrender to you, God, in every area.
This scripture here says,
So chosen by God for this new life of love, dress in the wardrobe God picked out for you,
compassion, kindness, humility, quiet strength, discipline.
Be even-tempered, content with second place, quick to forgive an offense.
Forgive us quickly and completely as the Master forgave you,
regardless of what else you put on.
Wear love. It's your basic, all-purpose garment.
Never be without it.
That's from Colossians 3, verses 13 through 14 in the Message Translation.
So put on love. Let's wear it like a garment, ladies,
and let's choose forgiveness and to forgive offenses in Jesus' name.
Welcome back. Welcome back.
Hopefully you guys had a great time getting to know each other as well.
Before we go into our group coaching time,
I'm gonna go ahead and quickly share my screen with you
and talk about your activations for this week.
The first activation before I share my screen
is I'm gonna call it the vertical submission activation.
So it's a surrendering to God
and I'm gonna encourage you all
to get out your permission slip.
It's, you know, you signed that hopefully right
when you started this journey
and get those out, pray over those, you know,
continue to fully surrender to the Lord,
hang it up where you see it, you know,
every day right now and just continue to partner
with that prayer over yourself.
Y'all, these little steps make a huge difference.
When I prayed that prayer every morning,
like, you know, just that submission prayer
that I prayed over you guys
before I sent you into the breakout,
man, it changed my heart, changed my heart so much.
So I believe it will help you too.
Okay, some of you have already done this
and if you have, it's totally fine,
but we call this activation roots versus fruits, okay?
So as you all are in this process,
we're asking you to pray and, you know,
ask God to reveal to you areas where you have lies
that you have believed, okay?
Lies lead to fruit and typically a lie
leads to unhealthy fruit.
And then we have truth in our hearts for some of us
that's leading to healthy fruit.
And so we really want you to pray
and ask the Lord to reveal what is the roots
and the fruits in your life and what are they producing?
So for example, this tree shows more of the roots
and that's totally fine,
but I'm gonna show you guys several examples.
Again, this isn't about being perfect.
This isn't about having to do it
the way someone else did it.
You get to be you.
Some of these are gonna be more intricate than others.
Some are more simple and they're all amazing, okay?
So this is about you being you
and turning it in however you feel led to do it, okay?
The reason I wanted to show you this one is that,
let me scroll in a little bit, wrong way,
a little bit more here.
So she puts not only the things
that were kind of the negative things,
so relationship with Christ, oh, that's a positive one.
Relationship with Christ, this one here, fear of rejection.
That was an unhealthy root, okay?
But then what she did is she identified
the lies right here.
You are inconvenient.
That was a lie she was believing.
Hide out behind the scenes.
Leftover, you're extra.
The most you'll ever be is extended family.
Avoidance behavior, shy.
Too weird and or quirky to be accepted.
Low maintenance.
And so these were all lies that she was hearing
that were underneath of the fear of rejection.
This one here, imposter, the lies that she wrote down.
If they really knew me, right?
If they really knew me, they wouldn't love me.
I don't love the right,
I don't love, I'm sorry,
I don't have the right qualifications or knowledge.
So again, that was leading into the imposter.
You guys can do it however you want,
but I really appreciated that example,
wanted to show you that.
Here's another one.
This lady was a teacher.
I don't know if you can tell, but you know,
more elaborate, she's got this board,
but this was what made sense to her.
And at the top, she put I am worthy.
So she's leading to the truth.
But y'all, one of the things that she did,
sorry, I gotta wait for this little thing
to pop off my screen.
Go away.
Okay, yeah.
Okay, so she started down at the bottom.
So at the bottom, the lie is I'm not worthy.
But the truth at the top for her is I am worthy.
So she broke down some of her big core beliefs,
childhood perfectionism, childhood abandonment,
childhood rejection.
And then she wrote down different things
that were identified for her in her process, okay?
And then that led, that childhood perfection
led to the adult perfectionism,
childhood abandonment leading to adult abandonment.
Y'all kind of see how she did her process.
Again, you don't have to do any of this
if you don't feel led, but I'm just giving you examples
so you can choose to do it, whatever makes sense for you.
Let me scroll out for this one.
Okay, so here's a little bit more simple one,
but this is awesome too.
So she did just very simple.
She did with the ones that have the leaves and the flowers,
those are her fruit tree.
Those are her ones that are positive, if you will.
And the ones without it are the ones
that are unhealthy roots and fruits.
So the roots are in the ground, ladies,
the fruits on the top of the tree.
If you don't do it that way, that's totally fine.
Again, the other lady didn't and it's great.
But I do want you to know
that's kind of how most people depict it.
But you see the fear of man here and what that led to.
Let's see if I can see.
Oh, that one's just cut off, sorry.
So stuck, crippled, smaller world.
And then here is poverty mindset.
And that led to fear, selfishness,
all different kinds of things.
Okay, moving on.
Lady did one with a computer. This is awesome too. Again, you guys get to do this how you want. I'm going to kind of go through these a little faster now. Here's another one with a computer. Awesome. This one, this lady's an artist. Okay, so don't get intimidated. But it is beautiful. And I love to show it. So she did if you can tell her unhealthy roots and fruit, it's all that kind of black area. And then her ones that were healthy roots and healthy fruit. That's all the gold and kind of orange.
And then she brought the Holy Spirit in here. And I loved that. I just thought it was a cool, cool depiction of the process of healing. And so just want to encourage y'all pray into that. But take quick action. Okay, take quick, quick action on this stuff. These activations are again, it's really important to your process. So maybe y'all are going to get revelation as you're doing the activations that you haven't gotten yet. All right.
Okay, so we're ready for group coaching time. For those of you that have never been here before, make sure you tell us in the chat if you're new for your first session tonight. So we say hi to you. I know some more faces are on here than when I first started talking tonight. But if you would like to get into the coaching seat, you can raise your hand and then I will know that you would like to share with the whole group what you shared in the private breakout room, and then we're going to talk through it. Okay, joy. Go ahead.
Remember, short, brief and powerful for me. Okay.
So thank you.
Okay.
So sometimes I may find a persistent, I really wanted.
So, so, so sometimes my, my blog, God's a long ways.
So that's why I know. So that's one, one reason. Another reason is that sometimes, if God says something, I can do what it takes to surrender and that's a sacrifice.
But sometimes I was very tired. I don't submit to the earthly authority because sometimes they were not godly and I could not submit because they were not godly and did not submit because I'm kind of because of my, my energy level or could not accomplish and could not totally obey what they wanted.
The way they wanted the time frame because I could not, because my emotions and my energy level would could not switch another route.
Let me ask you a clarifying question, joy. Okay.
So the second part, I'm trying to make sure I'm following you. The second part of what you were sharing is that sometimes you'd, are you saying that you don't understand sometimes what people are asking of you.
And that's where you're, you feel tired and you don't know how to submit to that. Is that what you're saying?
Okay.
Actually, it's this way.
When the earth authorities asked me to do something, sometimes I can do right away very submissive. Sometimes I was kind of very not surrendered or submissive because they may not be the way they want me to do may not be from the Lord God's way.
Or could be, it could be, you know, it could be because my energy level and my emotion level wasn't, was not ready to go that route.
Because when I was not like, sometimes I do not be not like, I was told to do something because if I told to do something, I have to achieve at a certain time and achieve the certain way they want it. But sometimes I was emotionally state, energy level was not enough.
And sometimes I, I'm my, I'm kind of freestyle person sometimes.
But I need to change to God to heal me, heal me, yeah.
Okay, I think I'm following you. Okay, so there's a couple things.
So, ladies, sometimes one of the first things she said that stood out, she said,
if I desired something so strongly, sometimes I ignore the voice of the Lord.
And I think, I mean, has anyone in here ever done that?
Anyone, raise your hands. You don't have to do digital hands.
Just raise your physical hand. All right.
I think we've all at some point, you know, God's saying something to us
and we just want something else.
I prayed and I prayed and I prayed for that man that I was in a relationship
with my, you know, my spiritual daughter, their dad.
And I just thought that that was good for me. And it wasn't.
It never was. And God kept trying to tell me it wasn't good for me.
And I just kept trying to hang on for that thing.
Praise the Lord that he never blessed that.
And that guy did not ask me to marry him.
And I ended up leaving that relationship.
That was the best thing I could have ever done.
Now, sometimes it's not that. Sometimes it's other things.
You know, there's something that we want.
And God is saying, hey, like, don't go in that direction.
Sometimes it's something God wants us to do.
And we're like, I don't want to go do that.
I don't want to forgive that person.
Or I don't want to, like, get rid of this thing off of my list
because my list matters. And if I don't follow my list for a man,
then God's going to put me with some guy I'm not even attracted to.
Nope, ladies, that's not true either.
Surrendering isn't so much about, like, God isn't just going to be like,
oh, I just want to give you the crumbs and I want to give you the least.
But it is about, man, God knows the package that you need to receive
better than you do.
He knows what's good for you.
He knows the best personality mix for you.
He knows the best spiritual DNA for you.
He knows how to get you what you need.
But will we surrender the pen?
Will we surrender the list and just say, Lord, I do trust you?
Now, that's not exactly what she was talking about,
but I just felt led to mention that,
because I think that goes along with some of that, like,
ignoring the voice of the Lord.
You know, we have a lot of people in this community that literally,
I'm not kidding you all,
I wish I could play you some of the love stories when I've interviewed
couples that are success stories from our community.
How many of them said, I had this thing on my list.
And God asked me to surrender that too.
And then when I did, I met my spirit mate.
It doesn't mean we have to surrender.
It doesn't mean we have to get rid of non, God, non-negotiables.
I had God non-negotiables.
I wanted to be with someone that loved the Lord,
not just with the words that they were saying,
but how they lived their life.
I wanted someone that wanted more children.
And I forget what my third one was right now,
but I had three God non-negotiables and other than that,
I had some other hidden ones on my list.
I felt like they needed to be from a certain denomination because I was in
a certain denomination.
Ouch.
Some of y'all know that's on your list.
And I almost did not continue dating Brian because he was in a different
denomination.
And God, guess what he asked me to do.
He asked me to surrender that pen.
And y'all I'm doing ministry with my husband and it's awesome.
Yeah. And you know, like we're, we're crushing it for the Lord together.
I couldn't have, I could not have dreamt that up the way that it's going.
Right now. Is it perfect? No. Is it easy? No.
But man, it's been good.
And so I don't know who that's for, but for some of you all, you know,
these are the kinds of things like, are we willing,
are we willing to surrender and say, I trust you Lord.
Now back to joy, miss lovely joy. Okay.
Sometimes, you know, yeah.
I think sometimes we,
people are asking us to do things and we might have heart attitude because
we're tired. Sometimes I get grumpy.
When someone's asking me to do something and I'm tired, I'm worn out.
Hangry is a real thing for all people. You all.
Okay.
So again, not that that's necessarily what she's saying,
but I feel like that's some of the things that I can pull out of that.
Now, the key for all of us, including joy is for us to look at, okay,
what's really going on in our hearts that are leading us to rebel,
to resist, to get upset or ignore not only God, but other people.
sometimes. Because we do that too, right? So looking at
underneath the layers of if we are desiring to go our own way,
y'all at the root of that we think we know better than God.
That's what's at the root of that.
Kind of breathe that in for a sec.
I did not trust God enough, I think I still need more trust.
Sometimes the entertainer fear, you know, if I go my way, I
think my way I get better control on my own.
And the key word there control. So many of us, you know,
control is is not really real, you all. Because the reality is,
is we actually I mean, God allows us to make choices, we
are allowed to make choices. But, you know, there's, there's
always other factors at play, you know, other people making
decisions and other dynamics happening in the spiritual realm
and, you know, and so if we will surrender, you know, Jesus was
the greatest example. When he gave up his life. And again, he
gave the whole world. Right? If we will surrender and just say,
Lord, I give it to you. Like I just, I just give this to you. I
give my fear. I give my doubt. I give my unbelief to you. Feel
the Holy Spirit on that. I give this to you. God, I believe that
you'll take it and you'll use it and you'll do something good in
me. Like he you know, there's a scripture that talks about I
believe help my unbelief that man, you know, in the Bible. He
believed Jesus could heal, but man, he said help my unbelief.
He was with Jesus. The man that was doing miracles. And see, we
read we read about him in in this book, right in our in our
Bibles, we have pages to read. But so often we think they're
just pages. And I'm not saying we do that intentionally. But
subconsciously, sometimes the you know, life and the things
that have happened, we minimize who he is, and what he's capable
of. God who created the heavens and the earth is working in your
life. Oh, yeah. I love these moments y'all when when God just
shows up. He's like, here I am. Here I am. This is who I am. I'm
working in your life. Yeah. Yes. So joy, it's surrendering.
Remember, fear is false evidence appearing real. false evidence
appearing real. So God can help remove the fear and put in its
place. Love, perfect love, cast out fear. Fear has to do with
torment. See the control idea that I was starting to talk
about earlier. It's like this illusion in a sense. It keeps us
bound. When we always have to be in control. Even learning how to
trust other people you all I like we're training two new staff
members the last several months. Y'all grow in and lead and other
people and you're trying to learn who they are. Can you
trust them all these different kind of aspects. And God just
keeps telling me like, continue to like, trust them continue to,
you know, and here's the reality. Some of us think we
know better than God because we're trying to protect ourselves
from getting hurt. And we're like, we want love, but we
don't know if I want love if it means I'm gonna get my heart
hurt. Or if God's gonna send me someone that doesn't have the
color hair that I want. I know I know these things sound silly,
but you all this is real stuff. People will not date someone if
they don't have the color hair that they're looking for. Or if
they're bald, y'all, let's just be real. Some of you all are
looking for men with full heads of hair. And, and I love you all
but at your age, you may or may not find that. All right. But
you know what, when the men have good hearts, you know what, I'm
telling you the hair doesn't
Yeah, you go get some hair dye. You help that man out. If he wants to change his hair, she
kind of. That's funny. All right. So joy, you know, continue to surrender that fear
to the Lord. And I want to go ahead and get to Chrissy, but, you know, continue to partner
with all of the reasons why, you know, God is good, why he is love and, and asking the
Lord what is still causing you to not trust him. And, and really lean into that at the
core of your heart, because God wants to help you to get to the root of that. You don't
continue to stay here. Okay. Can I give you an update with a Chinese single man? Um, not
right now. Cause we're not talking boys. Cause remember, you're not supposed to be talking
to boys right now. I always joined a group. I raised George. So I keep a distance from
I'm going to go to Chrissy. I'm going to go to Chrissy. Cause we're not going to talk
about boys right now. Okay. All right. Yep. All right. Thank you for sharing Chrissy.
Go ahead. All right. Can you hear me? Yeah. I can change headsets. Um, uh, I mean, as
soon as you started talking just from the very beginning, um, and then said mothers
who are brazen, uh, I knew immediately, like that was like the Lord was speaking to me,
um, cause that was my grandmother. And so that for sure informed my submission and really
just, I didn't submit to any authority. Anytime anybody had something to say to me, I was
like, no, I'll do what I'm going to do because I know better than you. Um, and after she
passed away, then my mom tried to be mom and I was very rude to her. And anytime she tried
to step up and say no, or, you know, be what a mom should be. Um, by that point I was like,
no, I don't know who you are. Why are you talking to me that way? So, um, just bringing
that back up for me, I'm sure there's more to, to that, that I'm needing to surrender,
especially with this. Um, I mean, anytime the heart is mentioned because I'm still going
through this heart issue. Um, I, I just know that that's, I mean, that's what it is. It's,
it's, it's grief and it's stress and it's, it's all this stuff that it's heartwork. That's
exactly what it is. For those that don't know, Chrissy has been experiencing some physical
heart things happening. That's what she's referencing just so that, you know, she's
doing heart healing too, but there's some physical heart things that have been happening.
And so we've been praying for her about that. Um, were you going to share something else?
Cause I do have something that I want to kind of ask you from here. Oh, I lost you on my
screen. Oh, there you are. Okay. There you go. Go ahead. Okay. So here's my question
for you. Um, as you were talking about that, I just wrote down, do you remember the first
time that your grandma hurt you? It's okay if you don't, but just anything that comes
to mind, if there is anything. Um, I think the, the biggest thing that comes to mind,
she just was always yelling at me, um, and like screaming at me. Um, she would always
burst into my room. If I was sleeping later than eight o'clock, um, she'd come in and
yell at me for that. She would yell at me for not doing things correctly. The chores.
Um, I remember specifically, she, my mom had asked me and my brother to do the laundry.
My brother was, is seven years younger than me. Um, and we both were doing the laundry.
We're having fun. And, um, she came in and just grabbed my brother, yanked him out and
said, you do this and threw the laundry at me and then walked out of the room. Um, so
when she died, I just, I was relieved. Yeah, I can understand that. So here, here's the
thing. Uh, this is a really great reminder. So when I asked Christie, when's the first
time your grandma hurt you? She said she wasn't sure, but then I said, okay, just what's coming
to mind? And she had a couple of things that were already coming to mind for her. So this
is how we do the heart work and revealing for healing process. So we start with what
is coming up. Okay. So she shared a couple of things that were coming up.
tonight. I'm gonna guess there were situations even before those, because typically there are,
okay? But sometimes we have to process what's coming up now, and then when we process that,
the Lord will start to show other things. And sometimes that happens right away. Sometimes
it happens weeks later, months later. It just depends on, you know, the Lord knows what,
what, like, what we can handle and when we can handle it, okay? And so, you know,
there's things from my life I still don't like. I'm so thankful, actually. There's still chunks
of my life I don't remember, you all. And I really believe that's God's protection for me.
And so I don't go, I'm not looking under rocks trying to figure that stuff out. If I'm supposed
to know it, one day God will show it to me, okay? So Chrissy, I encourage you to, A, I don't know
if I already said this, I'm sorry that that happened to you. I'm sorry that you were not
able to sleep past eight, you know, in those situations that the laundry was thrown at you,
that the way that you were spoken to. And so I want to encourage you, have you forgiven your
grandma? I'm assuming, I know like you've done a lot of work already, but have you,
oh, okay, so maybe not. I think that at moments I have, but I know that that has been always,
I mean, for at least over a decade and a half now that I've been going through inner healing
and all that stuff that I, things come up and I'm like, okay, God, I'm sure this is rooted
in my grandmother, but if you want to do with something else right now, then that's fine.
And I would always give it back to him. Okay. So this is a do not enter sign area for you.
Yeah. Okay. And I like, I, I want to get rid of it. I just don't know what time it's time. That's
all. It's time to really let the Lord take you to this place now. Okay. And I want you to know
he's going to be with you no matter how painful it gets. Okay. But, um, do you in a forgiveness
prayer sheet for these, um, the always yelling, I'm, I'm going to guess, maybe you remember some
things that were yelled at you. Maybe you don't, if you don't, that's okay. You can write more
general for now, but again, there might be things, more things that come up as you start to process
this, you know, forgiving your grandma for bursting into your room, yelling at you because you slept
past eight for giving her for the laundry incident, or if there's others, just as they come to you,
kind of including those on that forgiveness prayer sheet and let's forgive your grandma.
All right. And let's start this process of releasing this area and really allowing the
Lord to come in because ladies, again, like he will only come in as far as we let him.
And because you have actually said, Lord, I'll deal with all these other areas, but you know,
let's do that first. Well, he's, he's honored you in that, you know, but the reality is,
is the things that we don't deal with hold us back. And so it can also cause us to attract
more people like that into our lives, or that might manifest in different ways, but they have
the same hold the same power in the spirit realm, if you will. And so I want to encourage you to do
that and then, you know, come into the group and let us know how that's going so that we can help
you continue to process that. And let's see where this takes you. But remember, maybe I was doing,
saying that during the time you guys were in the breakouts, but as God is leading you into these
things, remember that if you feel like you don't have the courage to face it, that you have the
Holy Spirit who lives on the inside of you, who can enable you to do all things. He, the same
spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is living in you and can enable you to forgive your
grandmother. Okay. And so like rely on the Lord to help you is what I'm saying. Okay.
All right. I'm excited for you. I know it might feel kind of like, oh, I just said that out loud
and now I'm accountable to that, but we're cheering you on and we're praying for you. I believe this
is going to be a significant breakthrough area for you, Chrissy. Yeah. I mean, when you were
reading the permission slip before we did our breakouts, I mean, I felt the Holy Spirit strong.
I just started crying and praying in the spirit. So I know, I know that. But in my, in my mind,
I'm going through, I'm like, okay, so what is she talking about? What, where was it? And I'm like,
no, we don't, that doesn't need to happen right now. Yeah. Yeah. And literally, I'm not kidding
you all. I've talked about mothers in this area before, but I've never heard the Lord say
mothers who are brazen. That was exactly how he had me write it down this morning.
And so I'm so thankful that that resonated for you
and that it helped you make these connection points tonight
for this appointed time for you.
Yeah, praying for you.
Thank you so much for sharing
and inviting us into that part of your heart.
Appreciate you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Cherish, go ahead.
Okay, so submission.
I don't usually walk around thinking about it,
but when you talked about it tonight
and we were in our breakout session,
I just this rock in my stomach appeared.
And I realized that I started dealing with that
in my adult life with pastors.
There's a lot of, I guess now it's called spiritual abuse,
kind of submit or you have to leave type thing.
I also dealt in a marriage where I didn't really
have a problem with the concept of submission,
but it was being said very directly,
like you need to get in the house and submit to me
or else kind of like there's gonna be judgment on you.
So it was used in a way that ended up,
I guess I would call it being cloistered
where I wasn't able to be around my family
or go out with the girls.
And so I do think it was pretty extensive
as I kind of taught, I'm an audible processor, so.
It's okay, you're doing great.
And I do think on kind of like secondhand upset,
I had a friend that was leaving her abusive husband
and our pastor said she should stay even if he kills her.
So that, to stay submitted to your husband
and that feels particularly evil.
So I do think that there are some issues there and I'm not,
that's I think it's first time I've thought about that
in many years.
Yeah, all of this is really relevant, Cherish, all of it.
So 100% that pastor is totally off, okay?
God does not ask us to stay in a relationship
where someone will kill us, okay?
That is not God.
If anything, he would encourage us to separate
and find out if that person is capable
of healing and getting help.
If anything, that is what God would say, okay?
And so I wanna be careful
because I'm always trying to be really careful
about how we speak about the Lord's anointed
and people that are called and ministry leaders.
But the reality is, is I just don't think his statement
was based in a lot of truth at all.
I think it was very deceived and not informed
from a place of health and scripture.
And so I really am sorry that that happened to your friend
and that you also, like that ends up being like not,
sometimes we get more offended when people do things
to our kids or our friends than even when they do them
to us, so it's like a secondhand offense, if you will.
And so I wanna encourage you,
A, do a forgiveness prayer sheet for that pastor,
forgive him for, I don't know if you heard him say that
or if your friend told you that he said that,
but either way, forgiving him for that offense
and like really just allowing that to be cleansed.
It's not a surprise to me that you felt a rock in your,
I mean, that was a very descriptive,
like that heaviness in your stomach
when we started talking about this tonight.
And then I want to also say a couple of things.
The spiritual abuse processing that as well,
like you do, like them saying that if you don't,
I forget how you said it, like, if you don't do this,
you're gonna get kicked out of the church.
Is that what I heard you say, stuff like that?
Yeah, it was definitely,
there was definitely an element of, I was a leader
and some of the kids, if they, not kids,
they were in their 20s,
but if they would date somebody they didn't approve of,
then we were supposed to ostracize them.
And I never agreed with that.
So then I was considered rebellious,
but I didn't ostracize them.
Was this, you don't have to tell me the denomination,
but was it a Christian church?
It was non-denominational.
Yeah.
Okay, so man, you had layers of this.
I talk about this a lot in the sense of
the enemy will try to come at us in similar veins
over and over and over again,
similar kind of threads of things.
And so what I'm hearing here is you had layers of it
in different church dynamics from,
whether it was receiving it secondhand
because what your friend was going through
or yourself as a leader,
and you're being told to ostracize kids
if they're dating someone they're not,
the church doesn't approve of and,
No, sir. That's called control and manipulation is what that's called. Okay. And so we're going to
call it what it is. And we're going to, you know, encourage you to forgive those people that were
doing and saying really unhealthy things to tell you that you can't be friends with someone or,
you know, be friendly to a kid because they're doing they're dating someone who the church.
Yeah. So forgiving those people. Can I ask, are you still in that church?
No. Okay. That's a good thing. Okay. Then the other thing I want to say here in the marriage,
um, so the things that you're describing to me are abusive and I think it's important. I don't
know if anyone's ever told you that. I think it's important for you to know that it's not,
it's not healthy for someone to seclude you from your family and your friends and screaming at you
like, or even if it was calm, get into the house or else like whether or not you were ever hit,
I don't know. But like those kinds of things are also abusive. Okay. And so, um,
that is not God. That is not how he is. Um, he's not gonna punish you and kick you out
of the church because you are friendly to someone who is a sinner. He's not going to
tell you, get in the house or do what I say or else. No. And I feel like this is really important
for you to gain this revelation tonight because it's a part of you growing in your understanding
of God's love and, and that trust relationship between you and him, that that's going to grow
more because he's trying to woo you. He's trying to lead you through loving kindness
to repent of things in your journey of healing, to forgive people, to surrender and to trust him,
that he has good things for you. But because you've had these things in the past that were not
good, it's sometimes probably tricky to trust that there's good things coming.
So I'm sorry to hear that the person that you were with was like that with you and that they,
um, it sounds like really tried to isolate you from people that loved you.
Yeah. Um, how long have you been out of that marriage? A long time, 18 years, a long time.
Okay. And in reality, well, and here's the thing, um, you know, it's like I was talking about
earlier, um, there's layers to forgiveness, there's layers to healing. The fact that you
had that rock in your, that feeling in your stomach tonight, I'm going to say that this
probably still goes pretty deep in you. Okay. Um, you looked kind of shocked when I said to you
that, Hey, him doing and saying those kinds of things, that's, that's abusive. And so I don't
know if that was a shock to you or if no one ever supported you in that stuff. Like, did you, did
people, did anyone encourage you that, that not to leave him per se, but just like, Hey, this isn't
healthy. No, I was pretty close to the pastors at the time. And so I, I went and asked, um,
and I was just told, um, that I had an obsession with stability and that my body was not my own.
And. Okay. Was that the same church that, you know, that you were telling us about? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And one of the ladies, um, I remember one Sunday I was just having such a precious
moment with God and she grabbed my arm and yanked me and said, you need to submit to your husband.
God's telling me. And so that's all I got from the church. All right. So how long have you been
out of that church environment? Hmm. I'd say about a long time, like 15 years. Okay. All right.
So I'm going to encourage you to forgive the ex-husband, that woman, like all these different
things that are kind of percolating to the surface tonight. The woman that grabbed your arm,
um, the pastor that told you that your body is not yours.
Oh, that, you know, that scripture. Yeah. Yeah. It is about, you know, intimacy with your spouse
and choosing. Sometimes we don't feel like having sex ladies. Okay. We just don't. We're tired.
Guess what? My husband doesn't always feel like it is or either, but you know what? We choose
to submit to one another because of love and you're, you're choosing connection and, you know,
relationship, but you know what? We both choose it. We're not manipulated.
into it. There's a difference. And so, God is trying to help you see these different
things that have been said to you. Praise the Lord, you're getting set free from this
stuff more tonight. I really believe it. Even though you've been out of that environment
for a while, it's percolating up tonight for a reason. And so, you get to get set free
from this stuff more, and heal more, and so that you can step into a healthy dynamic with
someone that doesn't treat you that way, or that doesn't speak to you in those kind of
ways anymore. And so, yeah, as you process those things, if more come up, I want to encourage
you to keep a pen handy, and just write anything down. Nothing is too small. And what I want
to say to you, Cherish, is that if it starts to feel overwhelming, I want you to breathe.
Okay? I want you to breathe, maybe go do something fun, kind of step away from it for a little
bit. You know, if you need to take a break for a day, but just where you are continuing
to move forward, because I'm not sure how long you were in those environments, but because
it's been like this amount of time, and this is coming up tonight, and it feels like, I
can just sense in you like this is kind of a heavier thing. And so, I just want you to
be kind to yourself in this process, and give yourself a lot of grace. This is not about
you being perfect. This is not about you having to know how to navigate this by yourself.
This is a community that's safe, and we're going to love you through this, and we're
going to, hopefully, God is going to redeem those situations in your life, and bring restitution
through people that can kindly guide you into truth, not be harsh with you. And so,
we're here for you, and we're going to be praying for you, and I believe that God is
going to rewrite your story. And you know what? I hear the Lord saying, too, to tell you that
you're going to be someone that God is going to use, if you're willing, to reach other
people that have gone through spiritual abuse, and you're going to be able to help other
people find freedom, too.
Received that. Thank you.
You're welcome. Thank you for letting us walk with you in that tonight. Appreciate you.
God is so good, you all. Yeah, he doesn't condone abuse, Fran. That's right. Cleo, go ahead.
I might have lost her.
All right, we'll go to Haley, and then we'll circle back to Cleo.
Okay, so I was going to talk a little bit about my dad again, but the Holy Spirit had
brought something up to me, as we were talking in relation to that. So, growing up, my dad
is still pretty rebellious. And so, I realized that we were almost rewarded to be rebellious,
not against him, but in other situations. And so, the Holy Spirit revealed to me that,
like, I sought acceptance from my dad by stepping out and being rebellious as to what he would
be proud of if I did something. Like, standing up for something or, you know, not going with
the status quo kind of thing. And yeah, I just realized I was seeking acceptance from him
through being rebellious. This is really good. And honestly, I think this is the first time
this has come up in a coaching session, but it's such an important conversation.
Because there are children, even, you know, young people that get caught in, not that I'm saying
your dad's a gang, but like gangs or any kind of like, you know, you run with the bad crowd,
and you do certain things to fit in. So, I just felt led to mention that for other people.
Maybe it wasn't your dad, that maybe you were getting rewarded by friends by doing certain
things that were rebellious in nature. And so, I want to encourage you all to really
lean into that if that is you. Haley, on this, so can you tell me, like,
what was something that you did, per se, like, that was rebellious to be rewarded by your dad?
Like, like, if you, if I was like, kind of smart with my mouth towards someone, right,
like kind of push back, but not in like, I wouldn't say in a kind way, it was more of just
like a snippy snarky way. If it was some way that he would act towards someone, like, that would be
rewarded. So was your dad a sarcastic guy? Yes, very. Okay. Okay. So Sark, interesting. So sarcasm,
you all is one of the self-preservation
techniques. Okay, so a lot of people will use sarcasm and they'll say, even some
people be like, oh I'm just joking, you know, I'm just joking, but really they're
actually being sarcastic because there's anger and frustration and pain underneath
the surface. In some people are comedians and they're just really funny,
right, and they have a gift and all of that, but I'm talking about the people
that, you know, will say something to you and then when you question them about
it, they'll be like, I was just joking, but there's all this like sarcasm in
there and things that they're saying and so there are people that that is kind of
their their protection mechanism and they just live like that because that's
how they put up walls and keep themselves safe, if you will, and so I
want to encourage you to really like lean into asking specifically for you
the difference. Well, number one, I want you to actually write a forgiveness
prayer sheet to forgive your dad for the example he set regarding rebellion and
then the other thing specifically that came up regarding your dad is that I
feel like this is a learned behavior for your dad as well. Was your, was your, his
parents, was his dad that same way? Do you know? I don't know if his dad was
the same way, but I know that he he went through a lot of emotional abuse, like
his mom basically disowned him and emotionally abused him and he like moved
out when he was 16 and offended for himself.
All right, so maybe his mom was brazen. I mean, not that it means she had to be
brazen, but I'm just wondering if there's that connection tonight for that as
well.
Yeah, I definitely know it's a I that I so we never growing up had a
relationship with his mom. And that I would say I don't think I ever heard a
kind thing said about her. I think I met her maybe once or twice when I was like a
baby. But yes, there's a lot of a lot of pain there.
Alright, so another thing. Okay, so I don't want to forget. So where I was
going with that is that, um, I did feel like this was a generational thing that
your dad learned. So he, it sounds like maybe he learned it because it was the
self protection mechanism that he put in place to protect himself from his mom.
But just pray into that because it could even be like great grandparents, you know,
where that got passed down. And for you, I don't know what I just feel like there's
a significance in that for you generationally. But remember that
generational blessings can also be passed down. So I want you to ask about that as
well, when you're talking to the Lord about this. And so forgiving your dad for
the example of being rebellious, forgiving yourself for times that you were rebellious
or maybe acted out in those ways to get those rewards or acceptance. And then I'm
shooting I lost my other thought I was going to give you something else. And now
I've kind of forgotten it.
Um,
shoot, it's left me. Sorry. The other things were important. So I didn't want to
forget to tell you those. But if it comes back to me, I'll respond. And when you're
coaching things and say it there, but I just it's not coming to me now. But I'm
praying to those those areas do those forgiveness. Um, I think it had to do with
the generational aspect. Um, but just remember that you're a kinsmen redeemer
that God wants to use you to bring healing to your family line. It doesn't mean that
you have to Is your dad still alive, by the way? Yes. Okay. All right. So do you all
get along? Yes. Okay, that's good. All right. Um, and so maybe I'm just through
praying through some of these things, it might unlock some other situations. And so
kind of keep us posted on how that goes. Um, and then even as you pray into things
regarding, you know, his mom, I would even Oh, that's what I was gonna say.
Thank you, Lord. All right. The other thing I was gonna say is you said I never
heard a good thing about her. Okay, I understand why. But that's also something
that's concerning in the aspect of like, um, we want to see golden people. Okay.
Like, my mom did a lot of things that weren't good. My dad did a lot of things
that weren't good. But like, I can pray and ask God to show me something good in
someone. Now, I don't need to continue in that unhealthy relationship and dynamic.
I don't like I didn't choose at one point, I just wasn't going to chase my
dad to make him try to make him be my dad. Like I just quit doing that. And I
knew that was a good choice for me. And so I think that's important to know what
that boundary line is for people, but I can
know that my dad had good things in him. Years ago he was a great
photographer. I knew that he had a call in his life for ministry.
There were some specific things that I could just kind of... I'm not
saying I ignored the bad, but God wants us to see good in people. And the
reason I'm mentioning this is that we're not talking about boys, but I
want to use this as an example. In the future, if you all go on a date with
someone where they just talk bad about their mom, their exes, and all
that, that's a flag. So I will talk to people about my mom.
In coaching sessions I might share more about the negative aspects
because I believe it can help people. But even recently I was just telling
someone, God's been really showing me some really awesome things about my
mom that I kind of had forgotten. Sometimes when there's hard
things that happen, it kind of gets tucked away with the good.
Excuse me, the good gets tucked away with the bad, like when we were
trying to forget the bad. So I feel like I've been noticing more and more
just the really good aspects about my mom. And so to hear that you never heard
a good thing doesn't mean that your dad just was a mean person or
anything like that, but it makes me kind of wonder if there was forgiveness
that happened there or not. And we can't judge that or you don't
have to try to figure that out, but typically if someone forgives and they
process, they can say the reality of the situation. They can talk about,
hey, this, you know, my mom was harmful and wasn't good, but this is
something God showed me good in her. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Are you following me? Okay. And so again, not putting your, not putting
your dad down. Sorry, we have someone unmuted. Not putting your dad down
because I totally understand. And it's very typical for people, you know,
when they've gone through really hard things with parents or people, they will
tend to mention those things in that way. But as you continue to heal, there
might be a factor of what God might loose in the spirit realm, or maybe
there will be an opportunity for you and your dad to have a conversation
at some point about that. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't think Cleo came
back. So Haley, let us know how that goes. I almost forgot to say that.
Let us know how that goes. And then we'll go from there. And so we're at
942. We went a little late, but I wanted to take a little bit extra time
with some of the things that came up tonight. Lisa, come next week, be
ready to share with me about that. So Lisa's coming back next week. I
coached her during one of the live sessions a little while back now. And
she has an update for me. So we are gonna, I'm gonna coach on a certain
topic next week, but Lisa's actually going to get some coaching on on
something from several weeks ago. So just want to give everybody a heads up
on that. So Lisa, I'll look forward to hearing more on that. And then we'll
go from there. Let me pray us out. Father, thank you so much for this
night. God, I thank you for all the revealings for healing that are
happening. God, where there's tender hearts, God, where there's even just
tough situations coming to the surface. God, I thank you that you are
compassionate, that you're close to those who are broken hearted and those
who are crushed in spirit. God, that you are redeeming us. You're restoring
us. You're rebuilding us. You're renewing us. God, I thank you. Yeah.
That you're taking our feet out of the miry clay and you're setting our feet
on the rock. God, that you're cleaning up our dresses, so to speak, that
you're making us everything that was crimson red, white as snow, where we
not only have gone through things at the hands of other people, God, that
have harmed us, God, but even choices we've made, God, that have harmed us
that you forgive us. God, help us to forgive others freely, just like you
forgive us freely. We thank you for grace and for healing. Uh, yes, Lord,
healing waters flowing this week. We thank you for your hedge of protection
around us and our families and that you guard and keep watch over us always in
Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. God bless you ladies. It's been an honor to be
here with you tonight. Thank you for everyone that shared your stories. Know
that we're praying for you. We love you all. And, um, if you were wanting to
share tonight, maybe just were a little nervous, go ahead and put that in the
group for us and we will comment there. Okay. God bless you all. Have a good
night.