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How's your morning? Okay. Yeah. Yeah you busy so far
But fine
Yeah, that's cool. I slept really good last night. What I'm really thankful for. Yeah. I love that. I really needed it. Mm-hmm
That's good, you know, it's nice to come to most Tuesdays right in teleworks, so
He actually gets up with the kids. So it like gives me an extra like hour to
Wow, that's such a blessing
Yeah
Okay
No one's in the waiting room yet. Okay, let's see. I
saw the I mean the
Reminders went out. So they did. Okay, I got him. I
Was just checking on that. Oh, yeah, I see it now. Okay, I
Scheduled those out
Last week I can schedule out now. So it's great. No, that's amazing. Yeah
I'm still getting over being sick. Yeah
I'm feeling better. Um, and then you know the thing that a woman has every month happened this morning. So I'm like
That's perfect
Great like I love this combination
I'm going to rest this afternoon
Well
See if anybody comes on I mean
Normally there's people in the waiting room. No, there is yeah
Yeah, actually this book is in my opinion it's actually pretty easy to read she she's formatted super easy
It's not like long and treacherous. I liked how her little sections are like
Perfect she feels very conversational in her writing to you. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah
She kind of reminds me myself a little bit
Yeah, yeah, and I you know what? I really liked is she talked a lot in this chapter about
How much how much influence her parents had on her, you know?
She was like my dad gave me this book and my parents took me to this leadership weekend
and we weren't allowed to say the words I can't in our house and like
I'm like, that's the power of
Influence and parenting and like being intentional with your children. I mean
She really did have a leg up in her life
I feel like in in in what I mean by that is she got to be raised in that
so of course at 19 she's having this courage to start a business
like well of course that's what happens when you get set that to your brain your whole life
girl i mean childhood makes a huge difference it does it makes like all the difference
the things i hear leona say i'm like i didn't ever say those things until maybe in my 20s
maybe right maybe maybe that's a big maybe on that one yesterday she came home from school
and since no one's in the waiting room still so i'll just keep talking okay well yeah um
she came home from school and she was telling me like i started a vision like a club and her class
that she's calling vision scroll i don't know why she came up with that name it doesn't match
the club but she was telling me about it she goes she was she's like finally i'm the boss of
something oh my god and i was just like yeah it's like it's a good thing like you that's so cool
and she's talking about how like yeah and like her friend is helping her do this and then she's
like because more kids joined than i thought they would and i can't leave by myself like i need some
help and i was just like you asked for help wow gabby that is so cool i was like i didn't do that
till yesterday you know what i mean that's what it feels like no i know i'm so happy for her and
i'm so happy for you it does make a huge difference that's some serious influence there
and just having the safety to feel like she can step into that and create something like
actually i just remembered i started a club in high school too you did that does not surprise
me actually yeah i forgot about it but you know i
but you know i
huh wow that just triggered a memory in me yeah like a good one yeah one i actually forgot about
okay that's really cool what kind of club was it it was like a uni it was like a unity among
diversity club i love that yeah they were like we had different like people from different
um races represented and we would talk about how we could bring unity in the school
that i can't even i don't think i would have had any ability to have in that at that time
you know it's interesting because that was after i became a christian
yeah so i think part of like the influence of like christians and like being a leader
i kind of was an immediate leader in like young life and then at my church but i really hadn't had
a taste of any of that before then like not really yeah hey margo hi hi uh we were getting lonely i
was like where is everybody i just put out another post obviously i'm stoked to see your beautiful
faces obviously right yeah we were actually just talking about something really cool
how in the book she talks about i noticed there was a lot of influence from her parents on her
really positively like teaching her i can statements and like having her do visualizations
and like going to these leadership weekends and like um she just the fact that she could talk
about her parents having such a positive influence on her and so i was thinking no
wonder why she wanted to have business ideas as a teen you know like no wonder she felt
you know she could go out and take all these risks and then
gabby was talking about how her daughter just started a club at school
and um yeah we were just talking about and i remember i and then this memory just triggered
in me like i started a club when i was in high school and i completely forgot about it and just
like just the power of that influence and like how as parents you what you say to your kids and
what you put into their brain like matters oh 100 yeah definitely i don't think i had that
experience with my parents about like go out and do something different i had lots of like
i believe in you actually a lot of my like the affirmations that i received from my parents
was spoken to other people i would be with my mom and she would like talk to other people about like
my accolades and accomplishments and things and I'm like oh cool she's super
proud of me but she never told me that directly so it was this weird like which
is also why I am so like performance driven now because I when I was from a
time at the time I was very young it was like I have to perform and accomplish
things in order to be like recognized so I still got some of that like you know
I'm capable I can do it like it was very independent but not so much the like
find something that jives and like go out and do that thing or like seek out
new opportunities it was like go to work get a job go to your job yeah the
pension no for sure yeah but yeah Margo and I hey Carrie hey Jessica good to see
you ladies we're just kind of talking about this first part of the hour what
we usually talk about the book and I wanted to let you guys know I updated
the announcement the book club announcement in the app and I put page
numbers for each of the sections so go ahead and take a look at that and
whatever you did for this time is fine it technically was the vision in the
future part so basically pages 53 to 102 Carrie were you able to Margo were
you guys be able to read um I have read all of part one okay you read it then
yeah okay not Carrie and then Jessica I'm not sure if you're reading our book
or not okay that's fine no worries what book are we talking about so we started
she means business last week means she means business okay yeah and you can get
it you can get it for like I have it for free with my library app and I'm just
yeah yeah I have and Libby yeah same okay great you can find it there she
means business okay yeah sounds good and there's a like I said there's an
announcement that kind of tells you what week what day and what pages so you can
keep track of that so I so Carrie didn't read neither did Jessica so me
and Margo and Gabby did I don't even know if you did Gabby but I read but I
just didn't read that far cuz I wasn't sure so okay well here's what we'll do
I'll just do a quick little recap and then if anybody wants to share any
thoughts and then we can just move into office hours so but okay so I actually
really enjoy this chapter and she talks a lot about our imagination and how to
capitalize on our imagination how to dream again right and we've even talked
about this in mindset Monday a lot about how to create a 3d vision right how to
do a brain prime how to prep your brain to see what you want before it happens
because that's part of believing right is being able to see something in the
brain and so she talked about oh she also talked about how she encouraged
people to read books join networking groups and join like online groups to
basically rub shoulders with people who are doing what you want to do and I won
like everyone in this group is doing all of those that's why you're in this group
so I'm like check check and check for all of you she talked about her friend
Alice's Lucas in college and how she her story was really interesting to me
because she said she did a lot of things she started something and then it didn't
work she started something and then it didn't work she started something else
and she took a pause for three years and she took a pause for a year then she
tried this thing and there was this part in the chapter where she talks about
having divine breadcrumbs so like even in each each part of your of you working
towards your journey in your business there's all these little breadcrumbs
that are left behind for you to grab and for you to keep for you and there was
this quote by Theodore Roosevelt which was if you aren't sure what to do then
do the next right thing and then the second thing is doing the wrong thing
but the worst thing is doing nothing so that powerful quote I'm sure we've all
heard at some point by Theodore Roosevelt I really appreciated her
bringing that up and there was this part in the book where there were all
these questions that she wrote to help you to visualize or to dream again so
you could check that out in this chapter it's like 12 different questions and she
talked to she there were quite a few times where she gave us journal prompts
like take some time to just journal these questions imagine these questions
like what lights you up what's your message
message, what's your vision, right? And she talked about how to train your brain to basically
look for what you want. So that's kind of the things we've done also in Mindset Monday,
like creating that 3D vision board and creating a 3D story of your life, like writing a story
as if your life has already happened. And she talks a lot about the power of that. She
also talked about, oh, she mentioned the negative committee. When your negative thoughts start
to chime in. And I just really appreciate her talking about this because we all deal
with this. We all have negative thoughts. We all feel imposter syndrome out one way
or another in building something. And then at the very end of this part of the book,
there was this quote that said, if you think you're too small to be effective, try laying
in bed with a mosquito. And kind of the idea of a mosquito is really small, but man, it's
effective, isn't it? And then the last thing I wanted to paraphrase is she said, be willing
to choose different thoughts. And she, her and I are really similar. Like I really feel
for her in this, these last few parts of this chapter of this section, because she said,
it takes a lot of courage to know your thoughts and then to choose a different thought. And
she said, that is some of the most powerful things you'll do in your day. And I say that
a lot. And I was like, I feel this with all of my being. I agree. And you all are doing
the mindset work. And that is so incredibly crucial to success. And I agree. It is so
hard to choose a different thought sometimes. Like I'm even dealing with it today. We deal
with our thoughts on a daily basis. Right. And so that's kind of an overview of, of,
of those parts. So I wanted to, I'd love to open up the floor. If any of you, something
stood out to you, even what I just said, or what you read in this part of the book, something
that stood out, something you want to chime in on something you want to add to. Hey, Garima.
I am loving like all the little quotes that she puts out there. Like even how, you know,
when you turn the page and then one full, well, in the book, I don't know if you guys
have that with the digital or audio, but in the book, when you turn a page, like the whole
page will be like a positive affirmation or something like a quote or something, not just,
you know, at the beginning of each new section, how she has like a quote from somebody. So
it has been powerful and it is amazing, like how it's correlated to Mindset Monday. But
I mean, I'm loving this book. I absolutely love it.
Yeah, I also am really enjoying the book. I think there's a lot of parallels in other
work I've done previously, which is so like affirming, like you're on the right path,
you're doing the things. I think this, the part you were talking about, Danielle,
where she was talking about like imagination or like basically being able to like picture
what you want to then create what you want. I sometimes think back to when I was a child
and my imagination was abundant and I had very clear vision of what my life would look
like when I got older. For some reason, I don't know. I thought a lot about the future
when I was young, when I was a kid. And it didn't, like for a while there, it didn't
look anything like what I thought it would or anything like what I expected or like imagined
it would. And it's, we're getting there. It's starting to trend in that direction.
But I have been a lot more intentional in the last like five years, a little bit more
than that, but like really intentional in the last five years in like choosing things
that align with, it's almost like following the breadcrumbs again, like going back to
my childhood, like what did I see for my life? And what did I want? And what did I not like
plan for, but just like what was that vision that I had? And like, how can I get there
now? Yeah, that's kind of abstract, but I feel like I was kind of living in that cycle
while I was reading that part. Like I used to be so good at just imagining things and
creating vision. And then I remember, I distinctly remember becoming like a tween and being with
of my parents and their kids were younger and them wanting to like play Barbies with me
and me like struggling with like Barbies and Playmobil was like my life as a child and it was
all very imaginary and very like thought out and planned out and stories and people and names and
characters and all kinds of things and I remember being you know like 12 or 13 or something and
and looking at this little girl who was like will you play with me and being like uh
I I don't I don't know how because that like
creative vision sort of was like had gone that like imagination had kind of like taken a back
seat to like the real life right the real world and so I've been spending a lot of time in my
adult years now having my own kids trying to reconnect with that like childlike wonder and
that curiosity and that I imagine ultimately the imagination to create vision.
Yeah I mean we lose we lose that imagination because we start to have more of the
rat like rationalization and fear come in and so the little things can happen that teach your brain
to not dream so big because it's risky or to not imagine it's risky because things can go
differently than what we think and so if you're not you know at that young of an age if your
household is not you know teaching you to continue to have it then you are going to lose it and
you know you'll but what's great like I had a similar experience you know and
what's great is coming back around to it you know and we we get to have the opportunity to
restart every day you know what I mean I think that's what's nice you get to restart every day
every day you get to choose picking a vision picking your vision picking your dreams whatever
it is and not you know not settling not settling so I think that's what I appreciate for me and
and I'm behind on reading is you know just some days we're really tired and we're like I don't
have it in me to pick my vision today or my dream but we get to go to sleep and wake up and get
another option another day to choose. Yeah I love that you mentioned that Gabby and she actually
talked about that too she talks about you can have daily weekly monthly goals and you don't hit them
all the time you just don't that's okay right and then also that whole you know child likeness
that one I like how you said that word Margot that wonder we are actually really just big kids
and and and I was reading this and I thought man I I was tempted in my thinking to say well of
course you started your business as a teen because you grew up in safety like you grew up
in love of course you know but then I stopped myself because I was like wait a minute that
that's her story but that's not an excuse as to why I didn't understand business till I was 30
right I didn't even think I'd ever make more or be more until less than six years six years ago
for me you know was the first person I I rubbed shoulders with the first person in my life who
told me hey have you ever considered doing something out of teaching have you ever considered
making more than 45 000 a year and I was like no you know like not really like and so who cares if
it's 30 if it's 19 if it's 55 if it's 90 it actually doesn't matter so that's why I really
liked how she brought us back to the power of our imagination the power of our thoughts and how we
get to choose them and and we do it doesn't matter our age or our stage or what we went through as
children but here's the thing all of you who are parents and you all have a lot of you in here have
young kids look at this book look what she's done look at the power of her parents teaching her
these lovely beautiful affirming things and her kids are she went on to be that woman at such a
young age you know a girl who believes she could do anything she did and I do think a part of it
was her loving parents and so I wanted to just encourage all of you in the room it being Mother's
Day on Sunday and I know I know mothering can really get feel like it's you're getting the
trenches and it's like is this even working when you're a mess how can I even parent you know you
get those ruts and so I just feel like um
This was just a great reminder, and I want to encourage all of you, keep mothering, keep
showing up for yourself, keep teaching your kids how to love themselves, how to love God,
how to love one another, because it does influence and it does impact.
The little by little, it does.
Any other thoughts about the book or kind of what we've been talking about?
I want to know if you're still seeing that guy that you mentioned the last time.
Oh, that's so funny, Jessica.
Now girl, he's old news.
Ah, bummer.
I was a teen guy.
Yeah, unfortunately, he had more of a poverty mindset and he was proud of it.
So he let me go.
Yeah, you're better off.
Yeah, thanks.
There's another guy on the scene from my church.
We'll see.
I don't know.
That's fun.
Thanks.
I'm trying.
I love all this.
I love all this mindset stuff that we're listening to that you guys are talking about.
I just think, yeah, it's my husband started a new job in January and he was let go three
days ago.
So, yeah.
So now we're pivoting and it's all about mindset right now.
Again.
And, and like, God's just really challenging us is the fourth time in four years.
And yeah, and it's like, so this is okay.
We're up to our eyeballs in inventory debt, like in credit card debt because of inventory
and shipping and coaching and all the things.
So, yeah, it's scary, but it's like giving it to the Lord and kind of just surrendering
all of it and pivoting.
So we have fully decided to just focus him as well on our school community and in our
Justin Jamie brand and everything.
So like, yeah, we're like really excited.
And so he had been working with a company that kind of does, you know, launching stuff
for, for small businesses and helps them with meta ads and Google ads and whatever else.
And so now he's taking all of that learning and applying it to us.
So I'm excited and he has like a whole new perspective and a whole new.
So this, this job serves its purpose and it was a blessing.
And now we're just moving on and we're taking the hint.
We're just starting our own business and really focusing.
I mean, starting to prioritize our own business instead of just him looking on Indeed for
another job.
He's going to focus on creating something for himself and, and really flourishing what
we already have, you know, the seeds that God's already helped us to plant.
And so we're focusing on that.
And so, yeah, it's all, it's all mindset and we're both encouraged.
I'm like so proud of him and how he's just like happy and joyful and excited.
We're both excited to see what God has for us.
Yeah.
And there's this one guy who goes around Instagram and he like interviews millionaires and billionaires.
Have you guys seen him?
He's like a little 12 year old kid.
He looks so young and he goes around interviewing like millionaires and billionaires and they
all were broke at some point and they all had bad credit scores and all had like maxed
out credit cards and they all were just broke at some point.
And so, yeah, that's really encouraging.
So yeah, that's kind of where we're at right now, but I'm excited to hear all of your stories
and perspective and all that stuff.
Yeah.
Thanks for sharing, Jessica.
I, a question I had to come up that I think kind of fits a little bit of what you're talking
about is to kind of like transition from the book to Office Hours.
And it's kind of a question for both though, would be like, what's something that you're
reading in the book or, Jessica, you're facing a situation that is like choosing your mindset,
choosing your thoughts, choosing your new thoughts.
What's something that's like, I'm not phrasing, I'm not articulating well today, like what's
challenging about it?
Like what's one thing that's either you're reading in the book and you're like, yeah,
I agree with it, but it's challenging to actually do that or challenging to want to do that
or Jessica with your situation or for anybody who's not caught up in the book, like what's
a situation business wise or a mindset when you're thinking about business that is difficult
to choose?
For me, I would say it's a hundred percent surrender.
It's like.
I go back to the Bible a lot and I think of like when Peter started walking on water and
when he started looking down at the water, he started sinking.
But then the second that he looked at Jesus, like he started walking again.
And and then I had a therapist who actually shared this, he's like, it's like, it's all
about perspective.
So like, if you're upstairs and you hear a noise, and you're sleeping, and you wake up,
and you know, you're freaking out because you know, your heart is those all all the
things happen, right?
Your sympathetic nervous system kicks in, you start sweating, and your palms get clammy
and your heart starts beating fast and your breath, your respiratory system, everything
is like escalating, right?
And you hide and you're thinking, like, should I go to the kids room first?
Should I call the cops?
Like, what do I do?
And like, you're in fight or flight.
And then when you go downstairs, and you realize, oh, it's just the cat that knocked a cup
over or something.
And so like, what you believe is reality.
And so like, what you're actually hearing, or what you're seeing, like lots of credit
card debt, lots of, you know, no income right now, except for like, I'm working very, very
part time as an OT.
And like, things like that.
And it's like, okay, so that's, that's what I'm seeing.
That's what they were hearing.
But what is truth, like, the truth is, is that we're pivoting, the truth is that we're
starting a business, the truth is, is that this is normal, this is whatever.
And I'm right now, I'm just like, I hate the stupid cat.
Like, I see the reality of it.
And I'm like, I hate the stupid cat that knocked over, like, I hate that I'm not getting an
income right now.
But I'm not in fight or flight, you know, which is a win for us.
But I think the whole surrender idea of giving this up and giving this to the Lord and seeing
it as monopoly money and seeing and like, just remember, scared money doesn't make money,
scared money doesn't make money.
And because at this point, we're just living off of my, what my dad left me when he passed
away.
So like, inheritance.
And it's like, do we want to keep pouring into inventory and keep growing the business
and keep pouring into meta ads and also like, do we want to keep using this and depleting
this?
Or is scared money doesn't make money, you know, and like, that's where we're at.
So like, that surrender of, and that stretch where Dr. Irving keeps talking about that
stretch, you know, like, do I?
Let myself be stretched, I think is like my point of.
So Jessica, what kind of mind does make money?
What kind of mind?
Yeah, you're saying a scared mind doesn't make money.
Oh, scared, scared money doesn't make money.
Got it.
I heard.
Yeah, scared money doesn't make money.
I would still encourage you to think about what does make money.
You know, so you get to give yourself a thought instead of trying to like, almost like punish
your way of thinking, you know, there's like a different that feels different.
Anybody else?
I'll speak to that.
So it's funny, somebody from church shared with me, and it's a song, Jessica, and I can't
think of who sings it, but it's called New Wine.
And it talks about when God is squeezing or pressing the grapes, it's about going through
transformation and then what happens on the other side, you come out as new wine.
So right now, we're in kind of like the same boat too.
We're in this, the pressing and the squeezing and, you know, all of the things, but it's
going through the transformation to come out the other side as new wine.
So I can very much relate with you.
And that's what I have to offer.
Gary, what are, as you're going through the squeeze, what are thoughts that are easy to
succumb to that are tempting in this season to listen to or believe that would essentially
tell you to quit, stop, or some sort of negative thing?
So I mean, I don't, Sean and I are not quitters, so I don't have any of that.
I think it's just more exhaustion.
Just I'm exhausted from being in the squeeze.
Like this whole journey for us has just been one big pivot after pivot after pivot.
And so it's like, we're just ready for a win.
So I think it's more just feeling, you know, just feeling exhausted, just the exhaustion.
That's all, just wanting a win.
And I went back and I.
re-read, like I re-read the book where she talks about like the three C's, you know,
because I was like, I went back and I read that before I started moving forward.
And I was just like, well, I have clarity, you know, and then it talks about the other
ones.
And it's like my confidence, you know, I definitely struggle with a confidence because I don't
know what the hell I'm doing.
I mean, even though I've been in business for years and Sean's been in business 30 years,
like this is all new and taking my business from, you know, a weekly farmer's market,
you know, stand or to like an e-commerce, it's essentially building a business from
scratch.
It's like completely starting over.
It's, you know, so I think the confidence, like not, you know, I don't know Facebook
or the meta and I'm doing the bare bones to get by because that's all I know how to do,
you know, for posting.
So I'm making sure I'm consistent and I'm posting every day, but I don't even know how
to use Canva.
Like I literally know nothing.
I am the least non-techie person, you know, out there.
So I think it's just, you know, the confidence, but I'm, we're definitely, we're not quitters.
We're not throwing in the towel.
I don't have a negative mindset.
Like if anything, I just pour more and more into what I can do to like fuel myself or
feed myself.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
So are you, are you willing to think a new thought about your confidence?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Cause here's how I, cause here's how I see this play out.
And I actually, this has played out for me too recently.
Like I, there's been a lot shifting in our life and it, and there's so much that we're
doing on our own, like my husband and I, right.
Whether it's parenting or other things like we're navigating, no one laid the way for
us.
It's like, we just have to figure it out.
And it, I don't feel confident.
And what I've been realizing is like me continuing to hold onto the, we're on our own or the,
whatever it is that's shaking my confidence, well, it's honest and not a bad thing to be
honest.
I am holding onto it and it is affecting my next steps.
It is affecting my mind, my emotions, my mental state going forward.
So for you, you know, maybe just spend time thinking about a new thought around your confidence
and instead of looking at, there's like tangible evidence of, I don't know Canva, I don't know
tech or whatever, look for intangible evidence of a different thought.
You know what I'm, I don't know if I'm making sense today, but you know, it's easy to look
at things around and say, okay, that's telling me I'm not good at this or I'm not that.
And so that kind of shakes my confidence.
Well, I don't want my confidence to be shaken as I'm doing something new because it's going
to affect me.
Does that make sense?
I want to add on something for Carrie and Jessica real quick.
If, um, so Carrie, I, I do agree that your mindset has shifted a lot since I first met
you.
Okay.
Like, and you're definitely not a quitter.
You said that so confidently.
Okay.
Very like, Oh, I believe you girl.
You're not a quitter.
Right?
Like you have me convinced.
However, I don't know what I'm doing.
I'm the least tech person.
I'm not a tech person.
Um, I, I don't even know how to use Canva.
Right?
Like, kind of like, now listen, hear me out.
This is what your brain's doing.
Those thoughts are true today.
Right?
So yes, that's true.
And is that what you want to keep believing?
Are those thoughts actually working for you to become more techie, to understand Canva,
to actually be a CEO who says, I do know what I'm doing.
Right?
Cause those thoughts, what they do is they're keeping you stuck.
They keep you, your brain saying, yeah, we don't have, we don't know Canva.
Right?
Yeah.
You're right.
Uh, yeah, I'm not a tech person, you know, and I see this come up in so many circles
and so many people because you're building an online business.
So tech is required to succeed and you're doing it though.
That's the whole thing.
You actually are figuring it out.
And so a new thought, here's a suggestion and, and we can hear from your brain, but
like something like, I do know what I'm doing here's, here's, what's tricky about that.
It's not actually true.
Okay.
Like we, we're not lying to ourselves though.
We won't like, I don't believe God's asking us to lie.
I believe it's taking on a new identity and thinking the thought of, well, what does a
person who does know what they're doing?
What would they do?
They think that just helps you build a new habit, right?
It helps your brain get in alignment
with where you do want to go.
So it doesn't really hurt you to just say,
I do know what I'm doing.
Or it doesn't hurt you to say, I'm a tech genius.
It doesn't actually hurt you to say, I'm figuring it out.
Those are just a few thoughts.
Cause I use the word tech genius for myself.
I just like that.
But every time I tell myself, wait,
cause I have thoughts like, wait,
I just got pissed off for 30 minutes about Zoom.
And I've been doing Zoom for six years.
I'm not a Zoom person.
Like my brain would say that in that moment.
Why am I building a remote business?
I should just go back to something else
cause this is stupid.
So I had that thought yesterday, by the way.
So you're not alone, but the question is,
what do you, would you like to think?
So what do you think, Carrie?
What are like a new thought for you or something
after what we've just said?
I think like, I think I have been saying,
well, we're figuring it out.
I think that's what I'm saying.
Like we have botched every launch, every launch.
And I think there was,
I don't know if it was something in the book
or something else I read somewhere else.
And it was like, it's okay, you can screw up.
You can screw up a million times, right?
Because that gets all that out of the way.
So that then you're one step closer
to getting it right and being successful at it.
So I keep saying, all right, we're trying new things.
We're gonna figure it out.
This is a learning curve.
I, okay.
And I would love for you to add into your thoughts.
I know what I'm doing.
I think you say to yourself a lot
that you don't know what you're doing.
I feel like if I could just say something,
I feel like you know a lot more than the average person
because you already have been in business
for your dog thing with your dog bakery, you know?
So you already know that more or less
like the idea of profit and loss,
like the idea of having to have enough inventory,
the idea of having to have like what your time is worth
it's like the basics, even if,
I don't know how the extent of your business right now,
but because you've been in business
and because Sean's been in business for 30 years,
you guys have the bones, you know?
So like saying, I don't, we don't know what we're talking.
We don't know, you know a lot more than you did a year ago.
You know, a lot more, you know, like,
and I know you guys read the gap in the game.
No, not the gap in the game,
science of scaling or whatever, one of those.
It talks so much about, and even the gap in the game,
he talks so much about like looking to where you're going
and not, or looking how far you've come
and not looking to the horizon,
like that imaginary line, you know?
And not like, I can never, I can never get to that horizon.
I can never, you know, and it's like,
you're always just gonna be discouraged
because you're not that billionaire
or you're not that person who's like,
like you're not there yet, you know?
Or you're not that tech genius that you are,
but look how far you've come.
Look how much you've filled in the gap already, you know?
Or how much you've gained already
instead of looking at the gap, something like that.
Read the gap in the game.
I'm not saying you're right,
but like, you've come so far already
and you do have the bones and I knew nothing about Canva.
Like I miss my flip phone, you guys.
I am a techie struggler and I learned Canva, you know?
And like, I learned all this stuff and it took forever,
but I did it and it's, we can do it
and we can do hard things and you can do it
and you're not a quitter.
And I love hearing you say that, that you're not a quitter,
but you've come so far and I'd love for your focus
to be like on how far you've come
and what you do have to bring to the table, you know?
Does that make sense?
Yeah, and then I wanna say one more thing too.
I think every, in the book, she literally said,
and there are still times
where I don't really know what I'm doing.
So I think there's this lie that the enemy comes in
to tell us, you need to know what you're doing
or you're a failure.
Or like, if you don't have it all figured out,
you might as well just, not even just quit,
but like, why even keep trying, you know?
And so I just, I don't know what I'm doing.
That is a really interesting phrase
because nobody ever freaking knows what they're doing.
It's actually a facade, I think.
We just all do our best and then we figure it out
and then we go on to the next thing
that you don't know what you're doing.
Right? Think about your kids. Every time they hit a new year, you don't know. You don't
know what you're doing until you know what you're doing. I broke my toe last week, by
the way. Never done that before. I could sit here and say, I don't know what I'm doing.
Well, right, because I never had to deal with it. Now I'm dealing with it. Now I know. It's
a club I never wanted to join. I'm here. It's fine. Okay? So, Jessica, I wanted to add to
you, too, kind of what Gabby was saying. I think for you, one more thought is, you
know, scared money doesn't make money. So what kind of money does? I think, like, that's
kind of more of a negative thought in the sense of how I always tell people when you're
creating a new thought, how do you put it in the present and make it positive? So if
scared money doesn't make money, what kind of money does make money? That would be my
like, confident money, right? Or better money. Yeah, better money. Boom. Yeah, I would replace
that thought with those as you guys are. And it makes sense. That aligns more with your
with what you're stepping into going all in business in this way. I think that's those
thoughts are going to serve you more to see your money. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I love
that. And you guys, you want to hear something like super crazy? Jamie and I had a trip to
Spain planned. And for for the first week of June, and we both sat down and we're like,
we still want to go. And it's not even a still want to go. It's like, I just like, I really
believe that God just put this heart of, of prosperity, like this, this mind, this
abundance mindset in me. And I, my parents really struggle with like, oh, I had I got
a sign. So let me just be completely irresponsible with my finances, you know. And so like, I
come from that background. So I was really careful, like, Lord, I don't want to be irresponsible
with my money, I want to be a wise steward with what you've given me. But I also want
to live this life of abundance. And we had planned this. And we were both so excited.
And my mom was coming from Fort Lauderdale to North Carolina, to be with the kids for
10 days, like the biggest gift anybody could ever give me ever, so that Jamie and I could
go. And then he loses his job. And I'm just like, okay, what's wisdom here? What's like,
we're in so much debt, like what's wisdom, but also I want to live a life in faith. And
I remember Steven talking about, I know this is long, I'm sorry. Steven, when I was first
joining Rainmakers, he talked about how he had only a certain amount of money in his
bank account. And they had a really big bill coming up. And there was a person in need
that they knew, and they wanted to bless that person. And they both sat down and they were
like, maybe I'm botching this story, but to the point where they both sat down and were like,
what should we do? We both feel called to bless this person, to help this person, what do we do?
And he decided, my money is not my master. I am master of my money. And so there's a line,
I think, between living frivolously and living unwise and living as a poor steward of what God
has given you and deciding to be master of your money and deciding, no, I'm going to tell my money
where it's going to go and what it's going to do. My money is not going to tell me
how I'm going to live. And so we're going to speak. I'm almost like embarrassed to say it,
but I'm just like so excited. And I'm like, we're going to be kidless to pretend to be so amazing.
Oh yeah. Yeah. I, I encourage you to like, with all, with whenever there's like a question of
like wisdom and stewarding and all that, we are definitely, this is where we're so called to be
in community too. And how people who know your situation, know you guys intimately that like,
Hey, check me on this. Yeah. Because I don't know your situation. It's not like I'm in the
everyday of your life and none of us are. So we want you to be abundant and we also want you to
be obedient. So make sure those people just have like real talk and accountability. Make sure you
have those people that are aligned in values and faith and, and wisdom that you can be like, Hey,
I pray over us and like ask God for, you know, wisdom to speak into your life and know when
to help know when do we move in big faith right now? Or do we move in quiet little faith? Not
there is no little thing, but you know what I mean? Like, yeah.
Do we have self-control? Do we, do we surrender this right now?
Like, right. Exactly. Exactly. But it sounds like you guys have,
you don't really spend a lot of time worrying about it. I agree.
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I
I have peace about it and normally things,
I feel like God really talks to me a lot about,
like through peace and anxiety.
Like if it's not of him, I would just be like,
this isn't smart, but I'm doing it anyway, you know?
But I, one thing is like being just nervous.
And another thing is, is like just having
this horrible anxiety, like pit in your stomach.
And like, for some reason, and normally this isn't me.
Cause normally it was like,
if I don't have it in the bank account,
I'm not going to do it.
Dave Ramsey all the way.
But like now, and like, that's how I know,
like, okay, Lord, I have so much peace about this.
And I lived in Europe.
I know how to do Europe on the cheap.
Okay. So I, I think this is,
I think what we're talking about right now
is for everyone in this, in this room.
There's something on this topic right now.
I'm feeling it like in my bones.
I'm feeling something so strong right now.
I don't know how to explain it fully, but this,
when Steven was meeting with me,
we talked about a peace meter.
Where's your peace meter?
Are you having peace?
Are you having anxiety?
Are you having peace?
Are you having anxiety?
And I think sometimes peace doesn't always look
like the world gives peace because God in John,
it talks about, I give peace unlike the world gives.
And so I think it's important to follow peace
and the whole, and obedience versus abundance.
I think abundance cannot always, again,
it doesn't always make sense.
And so if there is some shame, we just say shame off.
I acknowledge your embarrassing feelings,
but I think it sounds like you have been seeking God.
And this sounds like a, almost like a step in faith
and like a, you know, a punch in fear's face
and let's see what happens, you know?
And, and I did quote Steven on Mindset Monday
where Steven says, I tell money what to do.
Money doesn't tell me what to do.
Money is a terrible master.
That's what, that's the quote.
And so right along what you were saying.
So excited for you guys, Jessica.
Yeah, Margo would love to, if there's anything
you wanted to share or add in kind of with the question
or what we've been talking about.
I have lots of thoughts.
I don't think we have time for all of them.
Money, mindset.
Yeah, I want to come to Spain.
We're all going to Spain in three weeks.
See you there.
Money, mindset is one of my favorite topics,
but also one that I struggle with the most.
The one I've spent like the most time and energy on,
healing in myself.
And I am also approaching something kind of big and scary.
My leave of absence is starting at the beginning of July
and I just had a meeting with some work folks today
to kind of plan, start the planning
for how I'm going to like hand off my work to someone
because I'm going to be off for six months.
Ideally, I'm never going back, but they don't know that.
So it's starting to feel really real
and I'm starting to have all of these like,
I don't know if it's going to work, thoughts creep in.
And I just went through my,
this is called a self-funded leave through my work.
And I've been contributing every paycheck,
a small amount to like a holding account.
And then that amount gets paid out
at the beginning of my leave or anyways,
there's different ways,
but that's how I'm going to choose to have it paid out.
And I was like looking at the numbers going,
that's not a lot of money.
Like that's not enough money is where my brain was going.
And like simultaneously trying to breathe through it
and thinking like we, my partner and I,
like we have discussed this at length.
We have lots of plans in place.
There's other streams of income,
but that like safety net of that bi-weekly paycheck
is not going to be there anymore in about two months.
In about two months time will be my last
like bi-weekly paycheck.
And that reality is starting to hit really hard.
And it's like exciting,
but it's also starting to feel really scary
because I, you know, like, is it gonna work?
Is all, are all the things that I'm planning to do
going to be enough?
Which ties back into my biggest like mindset issue
is whether or not I'm enough,
which when I'm thinking with my like conscious mind,
it's like, obviously you are,
but subconsciously obviously I'm still questioning that
because it still comes up.
So that's what I'm currently wrestling with.
Wish I was going to Spain instead.
like it would be great. Great distraction from all of that. Yeah, I mean I have lots
of things here that I want to do and spend time and I have like when you talk about peace
versus I don't know what the chaos or whatever the other stress. Yeah. I have a lot of peace
around taking this leave and being home with my kids and being home on my homestead and
like working the land and like doing baking and all of the things. But like there's also
like all this underlying like what if energy that I'm trying to get rid of. Margo, to kind
of go back to my question before like what's the challenging like what's a thought or something
that's challenging to want to like believe or want to like say or want to choose. So
for you, you said a second ago like in your logical mind it's easier to say of course I
am enough. But there's the core belief that's not all the way there. So would you say the
challenging thought to choose is that you are actually enough? Like is that what is like at
the core the hardest one to actually want to choose because you still have the voices of
that you're not? Yeah, Gabby, you're gonna make me cry. Yes. It's also that like,
I can't even say it without crying. I actually deserve the peace and the time off and the rest
and all of those things that I'm looking for in my leave. And I think obviously that's where I
struggle is whether or not I deserve it because I was made to believe for a long time that I
didn't deserve any of that. Yeah. And I'm in a situation now where that's very different. But
the like trauma of what I learned previously is still there. And I'm every day I'm facing it and
I'm telling it, no, that's not right. I'm choosing to believe something different. But
it's a lot of friggin work. It is. It really is. Like that's not a small thing. You're in this
process of breaking off of those beliefs from that trauma. And that doesn't mess it not. I'm
not gonna say never, but it doesn't usually happen overnight. Right. So I just encourage you to like
the thought that you just said that like, I deserve statement that you just made. I would
definitely encourage you to say that every day, you know, multiple times a day. That's a big one.
And also a good reminder, just that even like you are making decisions that are aligned with
your values, not necessarily your old beliefs. And that's a big deal. This is why guys, I drive
home that concept of value based decisions, because sometimes our beliefs, our emotions,
they need time to catch up. They're not always there. Not every day. They're not always there.
But we're making value based decisions based on the life of where we want to go.
So that's just my encouragement to you. You know, take that statement. When you said that
statement, though, there was like this quiet confidence that really wanted to come out.
And you're, it's almost there. Yeah, been been working on it for a long time.
Good. It's a good fight to fight. It really is. And it's worth it.
We have a few minutes left. Garima, I wanted to give you a chance. I don't know if you're
able to talk. I know you're at work, but I didn't know if there was something you wanted to share.
I see you walking away, so you might be coming on here in a second.
Hey, guys, sorry, just had to step away. Yeah, I'm just listening in. I actually did not read
the book yet. But these are such, I mean, I just want to be part of the conversation just to soak
it in and to be part of the conversation. And I just want to be a part of the conversation.
I just want to be part of the conversation just to soak it in and see what all you guys are
talking about. And I didn't get a chance to read it. But I resonate with so many, you know,
things that you guys are discussing. They're like, every day fighting my own doubts and fears,
but I'm trying to conquer them in a way that look back from where I have come. I mean,
I just keep looking back at my journey and giving myself kudos for every small win.
And that's how I'm trying to conquer my fear and my doubts. So I think
Some days they are overwhelming, some days like I am kind of, you know, showing them a tough face.
But you know, I can do it. But some days I'm vulnerable. So yeah, it's a battle every day.
But I am just, I'm not stopping. I'm just keep working on it. And Amazon reach out to me,
they are partnering with me now. They are kind of seeing the potential in my brand. So every day,
something new is coming up. So I'm like, I'm going to keep going. So yeah.
That's awesome. That's awesome. For you, just to kind of circle back to my question from earlier,
we have to hop off here in a second. But maybe something to be thinking about and just sitting
with is what are the thoughts that are really hard to choose because our belief is not there yet?
And are you willing to choose those thoughts even in, you know, when you're not super feeling it
every day? So just something for everyone to think about, all of us equally. You know,
I have my own thoughts that are hard to choose. There's a lot of them happening right now,
honestly, a lot. And honestly, when we have a lot of them, like for me, at least, I'm scared.
Like there's things that just are happening, changing, and I'm scared. And there's different
reasons for being scared. But I don't want to choose those thoughts of being scared.
Yeah, and it is tough sometimes. But then I think it's just it's a constant work. It's just like,
when you start working out, you are just able to lift three pounds. And then you then you keep
giving in the reps, the reps, you just build on it. And then you start picking up 15 pounds. It's
just like, if we keep practicing this is, you know, we have to put in the reps. Yeah.
Absolutely. Amen.
I just want to say one thing that I know all of you believe in a higher power in some form of it,
right? And I just I keep thinking with God, all things are possible. With God, all things are
possible. With man, not all things are. With God, with something higher, with like, I just I see so
much belief and potential in all of you. I feel like today was such a powerful call. And I'm so
grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for you, Margo, Carrie, Jessica, Garima, Gabby,
building things, saying yes in this in spite of uncertainty, saying yes in spite of feeling
scared. This is these are the days in the moments where it matters, right? It's these moments. It's
these meetings. It's these weeks where it's like, okay, I'm gonna do something different. I'm gonna
think something different. And you're doing it. So be encouraged. Be encouraged. Keep going. You're
literally doing the very things this woman in the book is talking about. You're all right on time.
You're right on pace. You're doing exactly what you need to do.
Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right, guys. This was really great.
Next week. What are we discussing next week?
Okay, so next week in the book is going to be I'll tell you the pages. Pages 103 to 156.
Love it.
150 103 to 156.
All right, guys. I'll see you on our calls or next week. Bye.
Bye, guys.
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