everyone to the very beginning, the launch day of the Divine Health Summit.
Such an honor to be here with Professor Robin and Yana Sikarios.
Did I say that right? Sikarios?
Sikarios.
How do you say it?
Sikarios.
Well, it is a delight and an honor to be with these beautiful ladies.
And we've got a really exceptional story that we're going to get into today.
I am going to check the tech,
make sure that everything's streaming the way that it should be.
And while we do that, Professor Robin,
why don't you give us a little intro of like,
how has your day begun today while I check the tech?
And then we're going to pray and get sorted,
get launched into hearing this phenomenal story.
So my day today, probably not quite as early as good,
because I was up until midnight doing other work around other things that are happening.
So, but you know, exercises, cold shower,
the wake you up, scrub you up, praying,
all of that, you know, set your system for the day stuff.
Fantastic.
So, all good.
Oh, that is beautiful.
And yeah, Anna, how about yourself?
How did the day start?
What was the vibe for today?
Hi, Benji.
Hi, Robin.
Much of the same.
So a walk in the morning and cool ocean swim
and then back home for some brekkie and it's been a good start.
Nice.
Love it.
Okay, well, yeah, I actually had a good start to the day as well.
Gym session with the crew.
Then I had a swim at the beach and some prayer times
and I had a nice, very nice smoothie.
I see you sucking back on a bit of a smoothie there.
What have you got?
I've said before about the whole lemon, that's what that one is.
Crikey.
I think we lost you for a second there,
but you will have to go deeper on your smoothie,
you know, all the secrets of your smoothies
and how you do that another time.
But that's very cool.
So, Jana, it would just be wonderful if you want to pray for us
to start the session.
It'll be amazing.
And we're looking forward to a great adventure together.
Jana, take it away.
Did you say Jana?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jana, Jana.
Sorry, Jana.
Yeah, yeah.
The old, the classic awkward moment.
My prayer, and I hope it's okay with you guys, is the Lord's Prayer.
Yeah, let's do it.
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come,
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from all evil.
Amen.
Beautiful.
Well, everyone who's coming from all over the world,
it's wonderful to have you with us in the summit.
And how about you just drop in the comments
where you are, where you're joining us from,
and what's the weather like?
Where are you?
I'm seeing photos at the moment from our people
who are all around the world, and some people it's snowing.
And then like us in this part of the world,
we're beaching it up and trying not to get too sunburned
and swimming in the morning.
So just let us know how it is in your part of the world.
And once again, it's a massive welcome to everyone.
And thank you so much for joining us,
whether you're joining us live
or whether you're joining us for replay.
It is an honor to have you with us.
So why don't you just drop as well?
Live if you're watching us live,
drop replay if you're with us for the replay.
And we're going to jump right into Jana's story now
of really dealing with incurable disease
and being kind of spat out of the medical system in a sense.
But let's just go back, Jana.
we'll go back in time and hear your story of when did you start to realise that your family had
some serious health issues? Firstly thank you Benji for having me on it's a great honour and
it's a particular honour to be able to share this space with Professor Cosford who has been an
incredible mentor and is really the reason that I can share this story today so thank you Robin.
Yeah absolutely it really is an honour to be with both of you beautiful ladies and it'd be rude not
to say that you're both looking very radiant and it's really really great to be in this space
together so yeah. So I guess to briefly
bring in where I came from
I do not have
Sorry Jana we lost you there for a second but if you want to
just jump back into it you're good now. Okay sorry so I don't know how much you missed but
relatively healthy childhood but lots of are we okay now? Yeah yeah we're good you're doing great
Sydney wi-fi so I don't know where we lost me so I'll quickly just recover that
early childhood lots of niggly issues but relatively good childhood and you know
I'm Greek so food is everything and we always had beautiful home-cooked meals
and my grandmothers would cook and we knew a lot about food but just I guess the
the world that we live in now right throughout my teenage years I started to drift from that
really disconnect from my body I never really appreciated what we had so for me nutrition
and even basic human you know human function just didn't it didn't it didn't play a major
role in my life and I married young and moved out of the family homes and lost that connection
and lots of freedom of course but also worked in the corporate world and long hours and
just
poor sleep you know it all sort of spiraled very toxic workplace as well
poor relationships develop you know friendships and so just lots and lots of things were happening
and I just I'll just pause here and just get Professor Robin to jump in on that just because
when you go and see a doctor normally I mean they don't necessarily take your whole life
into consideration you know they're just looking for a few symptoms and try and put you in a box
and label you but Professor Robin for you in this journey that we're taking towards divine health and
bringing people out of whatever dysfunction that they're in into it actually experiencing
the fullness of divine health for you when you're coaching someone to that journey it's about
everything yeah very very much so a person is where they are in that point that I see them
as a result of a myriad of factors that incorporate what's being passed through to
them generationally whether that's spiritual whether it's it's physical whether it's emotional
whether it's it's straight genetics so there's a lot of things that get passed through the what we
call epigenetics effects on the genes that aren't actually in the genes so so it's what's come
through to them what's happened to them you know through their early childhood what have been the
extra factors there are there extra antibiotics were there lots of vaccines was their illness
was their hospitalization was their separation from family for whatever reasons what was happening
socially neglect abuse trauma exactly all of these things you know I believe myself that if
all the doctor does is take a few physical symptoms and sticks that in a box and puts a label on it
that is that is it's negligence because it's not just we are body soul spirit it is not just about
what's happened or is happening right then physically what's happening right then physically
is the summation of all of what has been before um
whether we're talking last week, whether we're talking years ago,
whether we're talking generationally, it's it's a
summation of all of these. And it's different for each
individual person according to their own genetic framework that
it's happening on what their pattern.
And I love that. I love that Janice started with the Lord's
prayer, because even I mean, on earth as it is in heaven, and
then the simplicity of forgiveness is how much of the I
know, from my side of like, your prayer ministry, and whether
it's casting out demons, or whether it's just praying for
the sick, like, forgiveness is huge in the supernatural, but
also just like bitterness, offense, forgiveness, how often
would you say that, that that is connected to a person's health?
Absolutely. I mean, the Bible speaks beautifully, doesn't it
of a bitter root, you know, let there be no bitter root. And so
the thing about holding negative past emotions and
bitterness is a key one, it locks the body into holding
patterns, it locks the mind into holding patterns that you can't
break out of, until you deal with the root. Now, the concept,
you know, Jesus, of course, love gardening concepts, and the
concept of a tree and its root, you know, as a gardener, which
which I am as well, if all you do is prune your tree, you take
off the fruit, oh, dear, this is happening, let's just chop the
fruit off. So we can't see it's happening, you know, we'll get
the fruit. If all you do is do that, you've effectively pruned
the tree. But as any gardener will tell you what happens when
you prune a tree, it doesn't you have killed it. Yeah, it
actually, it will actually reinvigorate, you know, it'll
actually come back to to better life. So going just for
symptoms, pruning the tree, chopping off the fruit does not
solve your problem. You must track that back and see what is
this a tree of? Is it is it bitterness? Is it what is it?
What is what is this tree? And where are the roots? What are
the roots and until you dig out the roots of whatever it is, the
roots of of ongoing inflammation, the roots of
bitterness, the roots of you go back and ask when did this first
happen? You know, you got to go for the root. Once you get the
root out, then the tree will die. You know, you can the body
can reframe the brain can reframe new pathways can form
you can clean your DNA, but you've got to get the root.
So, Deanna, if we jump into your story, frame up again for us,
some of the things that you say were like the key, like sources
of dysfunction or toxicity, or creating. Yeah, I would say like
those sources of those roots of dysfunction, what would you say
some of the key ones were for you in your in your life at that
point?
So prior to kids, there was just this disconnection physically,
mentally, spiritually. And there were cracks there, but I was
very good at covering it up. We to the outside world, everything
looked okay. And I think I've convinced myself that everything
was okay as well. And the real issues for us began when my two
little boys came along. So in a nutshell,
how far apart are your boys?
They're a little under two years apart. Okay. So we lived this,
this story up until they were four and two years old. And so
imagine two tiny humans that couldn't sleep. Every meal they
were in pain, they're uncomfortable. We had
assembled what we thought was just this incredible team, this
incredible medical team. And it was over the course of an 18
month period that we had this team of doctors and specialists.
And I mean, they stopped growing. They literally did not
grow a centimetre. They did not put on a kilo, they just
everything stopped. And we were in this holding pattern. And
there was just this constant fear. There were periods where
we were in hospital every other week. There was just suffering
they it was just off. It was awful. And Dr. Cosby will attest
to this. As a mother, when you can see your child suffering
like this, you know, my, my oldest child, we couldn't get
him out of the house. He had so much anxiety. Three year old at
three years old, would just cry and wouldn't we couldn't get him
out into the world. And my youngest at the time, had he was
nonverbal.
But you'd look into his eyes and you would just see this intelligence and he was he was
trapped.
They were both trapped in these bodies, but you just thought there's so much behind there.
What's going on?
So it was a very dark period.
And I lonely.
Yeah.
I jump in there and explain what diagnoses were, give people a background here.
So Diana came to me through an organization called Reiser Reflux Infant Syndrome Association
of Australia.
So this is a newly formed, fairly newly formed organization because the numbers of babies
now who are getting diagnosed medical gastro esophageal reflux disease is skyrocketing.
So we've got tiny babies, newborn babies now even with such severe reflux that they are
not able to eat.
Many of these get stuck on in the tube feeding.
They put on adult dose.
So the boys came in being on on adult proton pump inhibitor drugs under the care of top
gastroenterologists and and so on.
So so they get put on adult dosing.
A lot of these children adult dosing of these proton pump inhibitors, which is what we adults
would think of.
Look, I've got reflux disease.
I'll take some Losexomac, you know, the list goes on.
And they've got this uncontrolled reflux that is causing them chronic pain.
So they're in pain, they're distressed from the reflux, but their guts aren't working
properly.
Most of them also have have a paralysis in their lower gut.
And so they've got a severe chronic constipation that is also requiring massive dose of medication
to actually get their bowels to work, to get them to empty.
So they've clearly got nutritional problems.
They've got infection problems.
They've got nutritional problems.
From that, they tend to get stories of recurrent infections.
And that's what Yana's referring to.
These kids are chronically, recurrently ill.
They're not growing and they're neurodevelopmentally affected.
So they're also not tracking properly with their neurodevelopment.
So they're falling behind in their markers because the body is just losing so much energy,
if you like, in trying to deal with the gut problems that it can't grow.
And this is what happened for Yana's boys.
They literally couldn't grow.
And so this is becoming a growing problem.
And I'm seeing a lot of a lot of these kids.
I mean, when you say when you say a growing problem, we're talking like any idea of numbers.
I mean, you're in Australia, but what type of numbers would you I guess you have to kind
of guess this type of thing.
But that's right.
Yeah. Well, let's let's put it this way.
We know that around 50 percent of kids now will have reflux or even higher.
It's now regarded as normal for kids to have reflux.
So a large percentage of those actually end up with a mild reflux disease that just the
local doctors will put on proton pump inhibitors.
But a percentage of that, again, make it up to the specialists and the specialists are
getting swamped. The next stage of that, I have a friend, a colleague who is a pediatric
gastro surgeon, surgeon.
The next stage of that, when these bowels simply don't work, is these kids go to surgery
and they end up chopping out part of the bowel because they can't get the bowels to work.
I mean, this is a this is a crazy concept that also we're now normalizing dysfunction.
So instead of I mean, this this shifts the whole mindset of how we view normal, what
we're potentially going to see is that the next generation, when a doctor sees a child,
that, you know, an abnormal child will be a child that's healthy and then normalizing
dysfunction. But I want to jump into for you as a mom, there's some pressure points.
You're married. But first, I want to talk about for you as a mom, I know as a dad, if
something's wrong and it's out of your control, you can't help but feel like a failure.
You can't help but feel this unbearable sense of pain from the out of control situation
that your child is suffering.
What was what was it like for you?
How often were you crying yourself to sleep?
What did it do to you?
There wasn't much sleep, Benji.
OK. Yeah.
Exhausted. Our kids slept for a good three years there.
We had three hours of broken sleep a night.
So you can see what that does to a person's state of mind, our ability to function as a
family, our relationships, just this whole scarcity factor, this fear just constantly
playing out and what that does to a person or what it does.
to our family, our extended family.
We have a beautiful family who are amazingly supportive
and that's what got us through this
and what continues to get us through,
you know, it takes a village, right?
Yeah.
So we've been very, very lucky to be able to get
through the other side of what we've had to experience.
And it's been a journey and we're still on that journey.
We still make mistakes.
Our kids are still growing.
And what just brings us back to,
back to grounds us and puts us back in,
in a position more of,
of empowerment and love is to just go back to the basics.
And what Dr. Cosford has taught us is,
you know, eat well, move well, move every day,
connect with nature, connect with God
and listen to your body.
We forgot how to listen and we were set up in a system
that did not value the family,
did not value the mother.
It was, there was a lot of control.
So we didn't have that opportunity to ask.
There were times where I would front up to our doctor
and, you know, obviously started to do my research as well
before we started to see Dr. Cosford.
And I would ask questions and I would try to talk
about nutrition and lifestyle and what can,
what can we do to help our children between appointments?
What else is there?
Because we were one of those families
and the tipping point for us was when our gastroenterologist
turned around and said, your children,
looked me in the eye and said,
your children will never be normal.
You will, you will have to do this surgery for them.
You will have to have them on medication
the rest of their life.
They will not have a normal childhood.
And, and so they just, they'd set us up for failure,
which was incredibly disappointing
and made me very, very angry.
And thankfully I was able to channel that anger into,
into research, into, into educating myself, into,
I mean, I experimented on myself first, right?
Of course I changed my diet.
I felt better.
And as I started to improve, you know,
I searched out people like Dr. Cosford
and Dr. Cosford will remember this.
I didn't even take my boys to the first appointment.
By then we were, we were so concerned
about putting them in front of somebody else
because we'd had so many failures.
And I basically spent the first appointment
interviewing Dr. Cosford and asking her about her approach
and getting to know her.
Before we, before we jump too deep into that point,
I just want to like summarize,
because I think, you know,
so many people have been through this
and are going through this right now,
where they're being told it's all in their head.
The medical system is like,
just like doctors who are like power tripping on people.
Doctors who, I would say in a sense,
there's a level of narcissism there
where they're terrified of being wrong.
And I think that that fear of being wrong
so often drives a level of narcissism in a person.
And they're so afraid of being wrong
that they will assert how right they are,
regardless of the collateral damage
that that might actually have on their patients,
which is a terrible place to be.
But if they're in that mindset,
and so many are because the stories
and in the comments for those that are watching,
just let us know if you feel like your doctor
has ever like just completely ridden over you
and just kind of like trampled your thoughts
or not really taking you seriously.
But I just want to sum up what's the low point
of the journey in the medical process that you have?
And I'm not trying to be down on the system.
There's so many wonderful doctors and that,
but I'm just saying there is a lot of pain,
unnecessary pain that people are going through.
And for you on your journey, what was the low point?
Where did you kind of come to and what brought you there?
It was the day before we saw Dr. Cosford.
I was sitting in a specialist appointment.
It was with an immunologist
that we'd waited quite a few months to see.
And they tested the boys.
They considered to be practical in their situation.
And they sat me down and I had my husband next to me.
And again, that bullying.
what we spoke what you spoke about just now that that was very much our story for about 18 months
you know you're the man he actually again very sternly looked at me and said you're the mother
i'm the doctor and what you're doing here to your children looking at diet changes and lifestyle
changes you are causing them immeasurable harm it is okay that they don't sleep through the night
it is okay that they're not growing right now it is okay that they're crying this is normal
normal behavior and he said i'm writing a letter and i'm going to show you this letter and i need
you to go and see this specialist and this person and you need to start listening to us because you
do not know what you were doing and you were doing so much harm to your children and he wrote this
letter and i still have it um and i just remember my husband just placing his hand on my shoulder
because he could just feel my he could just see me simmering um and um he my husband's wonderful he
always brings his calm to the room and he's done that my whole life um and so we walked out of that
room very calmly and walked into dr cosford's office the following day and it's just i can't
tell you what a shift um and i'm sure we'll go into that but that was our low point that was
your low point okay so uh professor robin what happened like she walks in your door what's your
first uh what's your first thoughts is as she comes comes in to check you like because sometimes
you can feel the atmosphere of a person coming into a room you know here she comes to interrogate
you she's just had her low point and by this time like how many years have you been suffering as a
family with trying to figure out what's wrong with your kids the boys were four and two so their whole
lives which is i mean their whole lives they've been in majorly suffering four years is a long
time to be in that place of desperation and unbearable feelings so what did you see as she
came in the room what was what were you picking up i mean the other thing yana hasn't added there
is that she's got her own story she had a very severe eczema and she had a lot of period and
other problems as well so she had her own story well let's touch on that yana for yourself that's
important as well what was going on for you um so
i had lots of lessons before we got to dr robin and um that's how it is right until you start to
listen uh so i had trouble falling pregnant i had an early miscarriage i um very i think i mentioned
earlier i worked in a very toxic uh very high pressured job a lot of bullying there um it wasn't
just about what i was doing in my life it was just my external environment um i worked in property so
i worked in in plant rooms so a lot of uh electromagnetic fields and constantly in
environments that were not conducive to my health at every level um and so my poor sleep and and all
of these things led to me just being chronically unwell i had asthma my whole life but that
started to come up as an issue again so a lot of respiratory distress um and just
how long this is a real issue for so many people now but how long did it take you to get pregnant
five years five years and what was was there something that changed in order to make that
happen what what what was your story there um i had a wonderful um director in our business so
there were some really good people that i worked with yeah and um i spoke to him and i said i think
i need to leave this job it's just it's not good for my health and he said i need you to stay you're
wonderful what you do um there are a lot of senior people in our team and um
i worked that job from very young i got a graduate role in my first year of uni
so i was in an environment with very senior people um and it was wonderful for my career but
at that stage he turned around he said i don't want you to leave you take some time off
um and so i did lots of a lot of gentle exercise changed my diet and met some wonderful people
and in that period actually fell pregnant mom that's awesome but in a month's time after being
told benji
that I would never fall pregnant naturally,
that I would need IVF,
that I had some serious health issues.
In that one month of turning around my health
and looking after myself, I felt pregnant.
It was a good pregnancy,
but both boys not understanding the medical system,
not having, you know, I went through the system with them
and there were emergency C-sections
and the boys were born unwell, unfortunately,
because I just, I didn't learn my lesson at that stage.
I had the opportunity to,
but I stepped right back into that corporate space.
So I think Dr. Cosford touched on it previously.
If we don't get to the root cause
and we don't address those issues,
and this has been a big lesson for me
and it still comes up,
if you don't do that properly,
it's going to keep coming back on repeat.
I understand.
Yeah.
And then you said you had a miscarriage as well,
which again, so common and even like
outrageously common right now,
like through the roof right now.
I mean, that's just a whole nother level of trauma
and pain in that journey,
but at what point was your miscarriage?
Was it before the boys or?
Before the boys, yeah.
Okay.
So you had a month off,
you got pregnant and then you lost?
Oh no, so then my first son came along.
He was born early and,
you know, most of our family had met my son
before I got a chance to meet him.
Oh, wow.
Hmm.
Because of the way the system works.
So, you know, he was taken away
and we were in special care for four weeks.
So, I mean, he came home and we used to laugh about it,
but they trained him Benji,
he slept through the night
and there was some serious health issues,
but he was a very happy and calm child.
And even though there were lots of warning signs
because he slept in those initial periods
and because he was this happy chucker,
much of it,
and it was when his brother came along a few years later
that we went, oh,
and this was my second child,
we spent the first nine months of his life.
He was either, he was on me the entire time.
Wow.
Either slept on my chest
and it was the only way he could sleep
or we carried him around all day.
Okay.
And then Dr. Robin,
you said there was a lot of period troubles there.
So what was that?
What was happening for you there, Yana?
For, oh, I mean.
Period issues.
Oh, so just,
so PCOS, polycystic ovarian syndrome
was what I was diagnosed with.
And that was why I was told
you're gonna have great difficulty falling pregnant,
staying pregnant.
But in the end,
that mostly resolved through just sound nutrition
and exercise.
Amazing.
Fantastic.
Okay, so Dr. Robin,
let's go back to you.
This year, she comes into the room.
How are you reading the situation of what's coming up?
Well, I mean,
we obviously have a very distressed young woman
and we start off taking the story
of what's going with the boys.
And I always take stories in great detail
because really it's in the telling of the story
that you feel what's going on.
So we started with child number one,
then we get to child number two,
and then I'm going, right,
what actually happened in the pregnancies?
Okay, tell me about your health.
What's the story with your health?
Tell me about the health of your mom and your dad.
Okay, what about father's health?
Okay, what have we got there?
And so you start to pull this whole story together.
But again, because of the years I've been doing this,
within a first mouth open telling me something,
I basically know what's going on.
But the rest of the history taking
is so I can flesh out that story
so I can make sure there aren't any factors I've missed,
but also so that I can then convey back to the patient
a picture, a complete picture of what's going on.
So it's like a label diagnosis.
Any other doctor can give you a label,
but really, what's your picture?
And because I find,
and I spent a lot of time explaining that,
that once, and I've got to stop saying patient now,
haven't I?
She was my patient, she's now my client.
So anyway,
you've got the picture for the person
and they understand their picture,
then that empowers them to actually start looking
at that picture themselves
and seeing what they can change in that picture themselves.
So it's not so much I'm making a diagnosis,
I'm saying this is what you've got to do
to treat this thing.
Yes, there's that component
because there are a lot of missed diagnoses.
I find with people an awful lot of misdiagnoses or-
I mean, I always talk to people
about this kind of concept as well
even spiritually, with our theology
or wherever a person's at,
there's this constant-
I actually regularly talk about this,
how in the church we misdiagnose the issue
and we treat the symptom as the root cause,
which is what you're saying is the cycle
that's so often in the medical system,
identify the symptom and treat the symptom
when it's exactly what you were saying.
For example, when people are trying to resolve
a sin issue or a behavioral issue or something in their life,
they identify the symptom, which is the behavior,
they just try and stop it
without actually dealing with the root cause.
And what do you know, if you think about
wherever there's a fruit, there's a root,
but if you don't deal with the root
and you just pick the fruit,
so we've got all these people just picking fruit
and being surprised, like, oh my gosh, more fruit grew.
Well, wow, what a surprise.
I mean, you're going to have fruit every season.
If you're in that mindset.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
You know, that's what I was saying earlier,
that that is exactly it.
You know, that if all you do is symptom picking,
and this is exactly what happens in medicine,
symptom people stick those symptoms into the box.
What's the label of the box for those symptoms?
What's the drug that fits the label
for the box of those symptoms?
Or sometimes if the drugs aren't working as,
you know, we come to the case with the boys,
then they'll say, okay,
well, we can't get the drugs to work anymore.
So we're going to chop something out.
So we'll send you to the clinic.
And the bit that is not working,
that's been complaining about what's going on,
well, we'll stop it complaining.
Yeah, we'll fix your symptoms in that regard.
We'll stop it complaining.
We'll just take it out.
You know, that's a great,
and if we can change how we're thinking about things
and view symptoms instead of the body's way
of talking to us about something.
So the body is trying to tell us something.
It's trying to express something.
So rather than shut down the talking,
shut down that expression,
try and make the body shut up,
you go, well, why is it saying that?
What's going on here?
What does that mean?
And you go down, you drill down,
you find what that is.
And now certainly there aren't,
that's not to say there aren't times you don't,
the symptoms aren't so bad,
you've got to treat symptoms.
That's true.
You certainly do it.
Oftentimes the symptoms are so horrendous,
we've got to treat symptoms,
just because people are in too much distress.
But if all you do is treat the symptoms,
you have not dealt with what's going on.
You must deal.
That's an addiction cycle, isn't it?
I mean, that's what addicts are always doing.
Addicts are just self-medicating a symptom,
never treating a root cause,
whatever the mental, spiritual, psychological,
emotional issue is,
there they go just self-medicate.
And in a sense, we're creating that,
and we're actually creating a world of addicts.
So often it's like, hey, let's self-medicate,
let's just treat the symptoms,
and it's shallow.
But what you're talking about,
and the whole ethos that we're actually exploring here
in this Divine Health Summit,
is there's actually a whole deeper level of psychology,
a deeper level of medicine,
a deeper level of spirituality,
a deeper level of theology,
a deeper journey,
that's actually going to,
at the very core of who we are,
bring a divine alignment,
on a deeper level than the systems are talking about,
on a deeper level than the churches are talking about,
on a deeper level than people are actually realized
as even possible.
There's an opportunity for a massive kind of,
I would say, tectonic divine alignment within us,
that will shift things so radically
that we go from the dysfunctional normal
that we've relabeled as dysfunction,
and actually experience such a shift
that actually brings us back to Eden.
It actually brings us back to a place of divine health
and fully experiencing that divine design
that God's called us for,
but it's going to require a much deeper level
of alignment to take place.
Absolutely.
So let's-
That's exactly right.
Let's jump then to what started working for Jana,
for change.
It was a very quick change, Benji.
Wow.
Yeah.
So-
Actually, I think you chatted to me
about this story a little bit.
You kind of did this on the slide, didn't you?
Your husband was away.
My husband had to go. I said he had a business trip. Yes. And by then he's like, so when we
went to the first appointment with Dr. Cosford, I walked away. I cried myself all the way home.
I had bags of supplements and all these pages of instructions. And I went, oh, this is this is too
hard. And very overwhelming. Right. To finally have someone listen to your story and to have
a conversation with you and understand your pain and to tell you everything is going to be OK.
And we we can heal the boys. Wow. That was the first appointment. And those were the words I
walked away with. And it gave me so much hope. But I was also terrified what I needed to do
because it's it's not easy. And we will attest to this, that it is a big commitment to make
these changes, to have to take because the system controls everything. Right. And to
finally have the opportunity to take control and to be part of your own healing. It's very
powerful. It's very scary. So I like I like a couple of things that I like, a couple of things
that you're bringing up here, like you've said there, it's not easy and it's hard. And this is
actually I'm going to have, especially with Joseph Wilson, we're going to go into a like
hack the psychology of transformation, because what you're touching on there is
some people would walk away and I'm sure you've got this, Dr. Cosford, that some people will walk
away from a meeting with you like that. That's extremely positive and never come back.
So fortunately, in a sense, my patients are still screened because it's a long wait,
months, six months, a long wait to get in. They've not they've not come in as a result of ads because
I don't advertise. It's all word of mouth. Every patient who's come to me before I started doing
this series has been word of mouth. Yes. Or maybe they've heard me speak at a medical conference,
perhaps, but usually word of mouth. And so it's like they're sort of self-selected. They kind
of already know they've got a bit of an idea of what they're going to be in for. Yeah. Okay.
What you're saying is exactly correct. If you're in that bad a place,
the way out is not easy. It is not a case of one single pill. That's not it. And it just the same
as one single pill couldn't fix you in the other system. It is about we have to change everything.
We're changing mindset. We're changing your lifestyle. We're changing how you're living,
how you're eating, what you're eating. And then because the system people are so sick,
unfortunately, this usually requires quite a lot of quite intense, if people are sick enough,
quite intense supplementation. And yes, this can be a challenge getting this into small children,
you know, but the proof's in the pudding. If people will do it. So I'd say 90% or more of
the people who come into me will follow through because they're through that filter system
already. Yeah. I guess. And I mean, they're paying a ridiculous, you know, they're paying
some serious money to come and be with you and they're in a place of real desperation.
I guess what I'm saying is, you know, like it's a lot of people wouldn't have the willpower and
this is something with raising royalty that we're so strong on is, you know, we have the 21 day hard
things challenge that we're doing all the time. We're saying like one of our big mottos is we do
hard things and do hard things as often as possible and as hard as possible. Because when
it comes to a moment like this, where you've got to you want to see transformation doesn't matter
what area in your life where you want to see transformation, you can't do it without willpower
and that willpower is the ability to do hard things. And so I guess what I'm really getting
into is that you with that process of, you know, you're not just going through a medical journey
here, you're going through a psychological journey as well. You're going through a neurological
journey as well because of the place of overwhelm where actually this is so hard that even just your
brain circuits fry up because, you know, the neurological process of creating a new pathway,
if your brain isn't in a place of neuroplasticity and malleable and ready for new information,
ready to make changes, like you can hit overwhelm because, you know, when he went back,
didn't you just throw the supplements in the cupboard and just not talk to her for a while?
Mm-hmm. I did. I came home so distressed. My husband said, what in the world? What have you
done? Who have you seen? What has happened? Put everything away. We cannot, we are not.
doing this to our children.
This is just, this is, this is crazy stuff.
You thought you were a hippie, right?
Oh, I still carry that label,
but I carry it proudly, Benji.
I'll just jump in on that,
because if there's any husbands out there watching
whose wives have been out seeing a naturopath
or getting these like freaky hippie ideas,
I can kind of resonate with how they feel.
One of the first experiences I had of that,
of like a major like, oh, oh, okay,
is when Alana said to me,
I think we're going to have a home birth.
And I was like, what?
That wasn't really something that I was used to.
I mean, we've had three home births
and we're about to have our fourth,
but then, I mean, just sometimes like what's natural
and like the conversations that I'm not necessarily
even having, but I'm overhearing them having,
and I remember a conversation for us,
it's like, she looked at all my fizzy drinks in the fridge
and she's, this is over a decade ago now,
but she's like, you see these,
she's like, we're not going to have these
in the fridge in the future.
And I was just like,
there's something seriously wrong with you.
Like that's a non-negotiable to have the Cokes
and that's a non-negotiable.
You're like, that's my happy place.
You can't be talking about that.
But anyway, like all of that's had a complete overhaul,
ridiculous conversations about moon cups and stuff.
I'm like, I don't even want to know what's going on here,
but like this whole hippie world, I'm just like,
whoa, so for the husbands out there,
just give me like, yeah, I've had that.
When your wife gets on the natural train,
there's some big mindset shifts that have to take place.
So there you were, husband freaks out, what do you do?
I waited until he was away for,
I think we're talking about it the other day,
he was away for two and a half weeks.
And so by the time you come back,
I'd implemented everything.
And I guess the message I have for people is,
we came from the absolute depths of despair and disease
that we couldn't, we had to do this consistently
and we had to do it well and we had to do everything.
And what I've learned is,
and when we're still piecing the puzzle together is,
there are so many pieces to all of this.
And you both touched on this,
it's not just about what's going into our mouths,
it's what we're putting on our bodies,
it's our water, it's our environment.
So we absolutely threw ourselves
into making these changes.
And my husband thankfully has,
I mean, he's such a big supporter now,
we met Dr. Cosford,
I think he came along to an appointment six months in
and he said, I have to meet this woman.
And of course he absolutely adores Robin
and is so grateful for everything that she's done for us.
And he's become our biggest supporter in all of this.
And eventually our family came around,
have a Greek background.
So to say to family, we cannot eat this anymore
and we can't go there
because they'll be exposed to things
that they can't be exposed to.
Food for us is so entrenched in our culture and who we are.
But long story short,
all those traditional recipes now,
we've managed to make changes
and to do things in a way that our family
has really come together on all of this now.
So it's really, it was a journey.
Wow, so your husband gets back after two and a half weeks
to a completely revolutionized home, family.
What's different when he walks back in the door?
For starters, and this is just so incredible.
Two weeks in, my second child,
who we were told,
they started to try and put a label on him
and a diagnosis of autism.
He was non-verbal.
He was speaking in complete sentences for the first time.
So this is a child that could barely get a word out,
who was just, he's my chatterbox now.
We laugh, but he was talking
and they started to sleep through the night.
Their energy started to regulate.
They were very up and down all day,
this anxiety, excitement, exhaustion, excitement,
bouncing off the walls, couldn't get them off the couch.
So, and then within three to four months.
we were discharged by all of our specialists in particular our gastroenterologist and I remember
this meeting. Did you say how long? It was four months of medication free and that was the period
where we were supposed to be having surgery for the boys. Wow and this is only moments after they've
said to you as well you're a terrible mother you're destroying your children. I was still
a terrible mother at that stage and they didn't I mean we couldn't have been pushed out of that
clinic fast enough they didn't want to listen to what we had done. They turned around and said oh
it can't be nutrition it can't be your lifestyle they've just they've grown out of it and I just
to this day I don't understand that they didn't want to engage you know they just didn't want to
engage. It's like a hypnosis or like it's such a strong delusion it's almost a hypnosis it's
it's like a it almost seems like a spell that they're under. And I've learned now that
they don't learn about nutrition so if you don't know about something how can you bring that into
your into your repertoire? Yeah and maybe this is what I'm kind of touching on as well in a sense
with the mild levels of mild levels of narcissism and you know which is basically pride and arrogance
well you know the saying is pride is blind that I've studied for maybe 10 years it's not not it's
not easy to become a doctor so there you go you study for all this time but then some random mum
comes in off the street and says um what about nutrition you're like well I just spent 10 years
studying how to fix people and we didn't even talk about it because so it's obviously not important
you know um as opposed to thinking oh wow this really worked you know like it's just you know
that's what I mean it seems like a uh uh these are the fancy word for it but you know like a
hypnosis a delusion this blindness that you can't see a cognitive dissonance I think is the
is the word exactly it's a great term yeah and that's exactly it sorry I think my internet's
gone a bit funny oh yeah that's it yeah we we are through medical school your doctors
if medical school is run and owned by the pharmaceutical industry and through medical
school doctors are taught purely this this on algorithms really they're not taught to critically
think they're taught on algorithms like these symptoms what are the things that could cause you
know what are the diagnoses not so much the things will cause it what are your diagnoses
what are your possible diagnoses which one is it um which is the pharmaceutical for that box
which is a pharmaceutical for that box at no stage is it what lifestyle changes might impact on that
what trends might impact yeah what you know what which is the pharmaceutical for that box and and
you're also taught right from the beginning when you first start to give your case presentations
and I've never forgotten this the very first case presentation I gave um I was told no you don't say
you think you say it is so so we are trained right from the word go just to be dogmatic and say
this is this you're not allowed to say look it could be this or it could be that or you know no
this is this you know what cracks me up uh when you go to the doctors now and I don't I mean I
can't even remember last time I was at the doctors but uh um I mean this must have been a few years
ago when I was at the doctors and they were like oh yeah okay cool and they're putting it into Google
right in front of you and you're like what why have I come here when right and like you're right
in front of me all you're doing is what I could be doing at home is you're just putting what I'm
saying into Google okay I'm like what what's going on here anyone could be googling this stuff
but if I google it and come here you tell me I'm you know like I'm crazy but you're googling it
right in front of me it's like what is going on here um I don't think that's that's normal
medical management I don't think so it's it's honestly it's more and more common and actually
I'll tell you another interesting thing in New Zealand is just around who doesn't doesn't go to
the doctors there's a an area you know down south in New Zealand that recently reached a hundred
percent um on the you know vaccination status and then a whole bunch of the people in the town were
like what like none of us are like none of us have had the jab how did you get a hundred percent
but the statistics in New Zealand aren't based off population they're based off users of
the medical system. So you can have a hundred percent without everyone being jabbed because
actually just based not on actual population but based on the number of users of the medical system
so if you haven't been to the doctor within that last 12 month period you're not even included in
the statistics which is a huge number of the population that doesn't go to the doctor every
year you know it can be years if you're healthy it can be years before you need to pop in there
so that's a really good point let's start bringing this into in for a landing Jana
what's the what's the difference at the end of the day what's the difference between
where you were as a family at your low point versus where you are now and I'm keen to hear
a couple things like just like your quality of life then and now but also the rhythm of life
meaning you know like how you guys because I think this is the something that I want to
really help people catch in the summit is that there's a every every rhythm and it's like this
whole concept of you know a root produces a fruit but every rhythm produces a produces a life you
know like every lifestyle produces a quality a quality of life so I'm just keen to hear what
changed on those two levels you know at your at your worst what was the rhythm like and what was
the quality of life like to where it is now um we didn't we didn't live we were trapped um
the you know if you don't have your health you don't have really anything um so we had to
take quite a few steps back to work that out and there were lots of lessons along the way
um and it was a difficult thing to embark on um
it's very hard to unlearn what you've learned your whole life
um I grew up in a very traditional family where you know taught to respect my elders
listen to those in authority so um what I haven't mentioned is once the boys started to heal
Dr Cosford said to me you need to come and see me as my patient so um I think mothers
you know we're so central to this world to our families when women are empowered and when we
see this at a wider scale in in communities and and around the world that when women are
given the opportunity to learn to be educated um and that's part of the reason why I've gone back
to university now um because I realized very quickly on that to be able to have a conversation
and to be able to advocate for my children and and help other families because ultimately
when we started to see so many changes I wanted to just shout it from the rooftops
but to be able to do that you have to you really have to learn it and and learn those lessons
um so for us it was just unlearning and learning again and making a lot of mistakes and um
and relying on each other and just really
coming together and realizing that the only way we could do this was to step away from all that
fear and control and to learn to listen to our bodies and we've each had to do that you know
my children do it so beautifully um in their own way and we've we've instilled that in them now
and um it's just been you know it's been eight years of this and
had to just rethink how we do life and put our health first and realize that it was you know
a great financial um exercise and on that I mean people spend their life trading their health for
their wealth yes and then once they've done that they realize flip what have I done and spend the
rest of their life trading their wealth for their health exactly and I'm so grateful that we had that
lesson so early on so that um you know we poured everything into this and we've reaped the rewards
and now we've come full circle because you know even something as simple as being able to sleep
through the night and then be productive at work and
and be present in our relationships and have a full life.
And, you know, our kids seeing them thrive
and just live in this joy
and not have these limitations on us anymore.
It just opens up your whole world.
And so that's us now.
And, you know, you see these boys
and Dr. Cosper will attest to this
and their younger sister who came along
after I started to heal.
I mean, I've got two boys who are so unwell
and a younger child now
who have such different health stories.
And so we've lived that
and I can absolutely attest to the fact that nutrition
and it's just the underlying foundation of everything.
I mean, Dr. Cosper says it often
and I share this with everyone
that you cannot out supplement a bad diet
and that's what ultimately, you know,
led me to go and study further.
But also to do that again
was to be able to advocate for others
and come into a position where I think
that there's so much value in having the system,
the medical system and having what we have
and having those meet
and you need both.
And that's what we've-
Complimentary.
And I think there's a level of, you know,
I think there's huge opportunity
for renovating the system
and making it more complimentary.
Yeah, which is exciting.
Well, that is beautiful.
Let me, I wanna get a couple of other little juicy bits
out of you before we go on,
but marriage life before,
how was the pressure on your relationship
with you not sleeping and everything's just chaos?
What was the marriage like?
It was hard.
You know, we were like passing ships in the night
and to be able to do this,
my husband had to work so much harder
to be able to afford this type of care.
It was difficult.
Yeah.
And it created a lot of tension.
But once we started to see
and very quickly see the changes in our children,
you can't put a price on that.
Yeah.
And we did everything in our power
to do whatever it took to help them heal
and to give them an environment
where they could reach their genetic potential.
Cool.
So marriage nowadays,
like marriage is always a journey,
but in just in terms of not having that level of pressure,
what's the difference?
We're able to have a relationship again.
And honestly, because it's so all encompassing
when you have an unwell child.
I don't, I can't directly tell you the statistics,
but I know that these parents that have autistic children
that have children that are unwell,
the divorce rate is so much higher.
And I've lived it,
so I know what it's like to have that experience.
And it made not just married life difficult,
it made all of our relationships difficult.
Yeah.
Because when people don't understand your situation
and they don't leave it, they see it from the outside.
We had people show us a lot of,
I mean, not just our medical professionals,
but our family, our friends,
not understanding what we were going through.
There was a lot of anger and confusion.
So we had to navigate that.
And just very, there was a level of stubbornness on my part
when we just went, no, we're doing this, it's working.
It may not be your cup of tea,
and that this is working for us.
And yeah, that's-
That's amazing.
Now, your family now, so you've got a little girl.
So how old is everyone now?
Like, where are you guys at now?
So the boys are 11 and nine,
and the little one is five and a half.
That's amazing.
Beautiful.
Okay, well, we're gonna break it into a close now.
I've just got a couple of thoughts.
Can I have a word-
Yeah, I'd like to hand over to you.
Yeah, I'd like to hand over to you
to chuck in final thoughts.
Then we'll do one more final thoughts from Yana
before we bring it up.
Yeah, so what I'd love to just quickly point out here
is the whole of Yana's, because it's a-
Total Family Story also illustrates this thing which I love, which is taking your mum who's got
all these health problems, had all these problems, and proven effects of how that affects children,
childbirth, the health of the next generation. So we already had that story with, you know,
kids get fixed up young and gets fixed up. What happens? She's pregnant again with another child.
Is the story the same? Totally, totally different. I have this little group that I love and I call
these are my perfect pregnancies, perfect babies. When you do everything, how God intends,
bringing it into line with how God intends, this is your story. Your pregnancy outcomes are totally
different. The child outcome is totally different. These children look different. They behave
differently. Their neurodevelopmental processing and development is different. Their health
parameters in terms of getting sick, you know, is different. These perfect ones come this way
after mum's been cleaned up, don't get sick. You know, they're textbook beautiful babies and
beautiful even timber young children. It's a totally, totally different story. And so that's
for me, is the real fruit is where I see not just, you know, the rest of the family changed
then and the other children restored, but where there's a new one who comes in and this little
one, it, for me, it's like a restoration for the family. You know, it's like this is,
this is kind of, this is your, this is your icing on the cake. This is your, this is your seal for,
you know, for all of what you've done. And I love that. Now, so Robin, you kind of in business,
you sometimes call it the upstream and the downstream, but you, you've seen the new generations,
but also the older generations and Yana's family as well. So what's happened on the,
what's happened on the upstream, what's happened for the older generations?
Well, what you're able to do as you move into the older generations is, is change long-term
patterns of disease and bring them back into a place of health. So what's happening for most
people these days, as they get older, is they're faced with many, many years of what we call
morbidity. You know, they, they've got many years of like degenerative diseases and really not
doing very well. When the, the older generation encompass this, what happens is to a degree,
those degenerative diseases will reverse. So yes, you still have older age, you know, we age that's,
that's written in the system that that's going to happen, but, but, but you can do that healthily.
And so, so what we're able to do is make it that, that they stay healthy, healthy, healthy until
it is their time to go. And of course, that's a whole separate question of, as we push into
stuff with the Lord about, you know, are we meant to be eternal beings on this earth here now? And
I'm pushing more into that one, but that's a slightly separate story, you know, but, but yeah,
as you, there is no, I guess what I'm saying here is there is no age limit on, on the effects that
the body will have, the effects it will have on the body. As you change your diet, as you change
your lifestyle, you come, it's, it's really all about coming into line with God. As we come into
line with God, then that, that life, that spirit, the water of life, you know, is going to flow
through you. You can be looking at a beautiful waterfall, but if you don't stand under it,
you're not, all you're going to do is look at it. You're not going to get the effect.
And so that's what we have to do. You know, we've got to choose to come into alignment
with, with where God is, what God's doing, what, what God has made for us, how God's made it. And
if we do that, the system, you know, things change. Absolutely. And then the topic of telomeres is a
whole nother question. The topic of epigenetics, a whole nother question. Beautiful, beautiful
conversations to be had for another time there. That's exciting. How, last thing I want to just
ask Yana, if you were speaking right now, kind of in the middle of a deep and meaningful heart
to heart with someone else who is where you were right now, what would you say to them as they just
kind of working through this and trying to take their next best steps? That with God and with love
you, there are no limits, you know, we can and we can reach our potential. We can change our story
and there is always hope. It doesn't matter where you're coming from. Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful.
And, and on that note, our next session with Matt Lansdowne at 1pm New Zealand time. Now,
whether you're going to be checking this out on the live or on the replay, it's
you know, you want to catch this next session, because we've got
a supernatural healing session, where we'll be actually just
talking about some really powerful testimonies of
miracles that have actually just done what's actually, you know,
because you've got what's naturally possible. And then
you've got what's okay, even with nutrition, we can't fix
this. But then there's the with divine health, it has a
supernatural element, which is a naturally we can't do this.
But like what you just said, there was God, there's actually
no limits. And there's hope in any circumstance. And so Matt's
going to be sharing some phenomenal testimonies with us
of this radical supernatural healing, and we'll be having a
healing meeting as well. So anyone who's like, yes, please,
I could do with some healing right now, jump on board. With
that, it's going to be really, really beautiful time, you're
going to be really encouraged. So whether you need healing or
not, it's going to be a fantastic session with amazing
testimonies. And yeah, we're going to love it. So Dr. Robin,
would you like to close off for us in prayer as we wrap this up?
And everyone, thank you so much. Be great to hear from you. What
you've loved about the session, just drop in there in the
comments, you know, what you appreciate for these lovely
ladies. And we'll have Jana back with us on our last session
of the summit on Monday afternoon, which is going to be
fantastic. And then Professor Robin Cosford will be taking
the afternoon sessions for us. She's got three really powerful
sessions that are going to be, you know, building on one
another, which is going to be really powerful. So that's
4pm New Zealand time for the next three days. So there's a
lot to look forward to in the summit. If you can't catch the
lives, catch the replays, but it's going to be beautiful. And
yeah, Dr. Robin, if you'd like to finish for us in prayer,
be amazing.
Yeah, dear Lord. We just thank you that you're a loving father
and your plans for us and your plans for our lives, our plans
for good, not for evil, for hope for a future. We thank you
that you are the author of life, that you breathed your life
into us, you made us out of the dust, and you breathed your
life into us. And so we thank you as we learn how to breathe
in that breath of life as we learn how to flow with you and
with that life that you are bringing that life through and
restoring that to every cell in our bodies. We thank you for
the promise of life that the law of the spirit of life has set
us free from the law of sin and death. And we can make that
choice Lord to choose life and come in line with you with your
word with your promises. Then we will see life. We thank you.
Mighty God, we just thank you in Jesus name. Amen.
Amen. Well, everyone, bless you, love you. And we'll catch you
real soon. In the next session, watch your emails for the link
to join us live. And yeah, love you all. Bless you, fam. Thanks
very much, ladies. Give them some appreciation, big claps
around. Love you very much and honor you and thank you once
again. Bye bye.