You guys are all doing amazing.
It is an absolute delight to be live here today
with Joseph Wilson, the man himself.
Hey buddy, how you doing?
Hey bro, I am doing well.
It's great to be here.
Yeah, so good, so good.
I'm so stoked to be hosting you today
and just to have you with us
and you are leading an absolute revolution
in this space catalyzing so many mindset shifts
and like real significant, genuine life transformations
for people, which is so exciting.
So I'm just gonna do the classic here
and just check the tech,
make sure everything's streaming like it should be.
And as it does, one of the things I've been doing
with everyone as we start is just asking them
how their morning has started.
You know, like what's a routine?
I don't know if your routine's been routine this morning
or what does a morning routine look like
and what does today look like?
Be cool to hear that as I just check the tech.
Oh, so I go?
I go for it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go for it, that'd be awesome.
My normal morning routine,
depending on whether my kids actually sleep properly,
is I come down and drink some water, get a cup of tea
and go outside my house.
I have a little bench and I just sit around the trees
and just engage, spend some time in the realms,
relaxing and seeing my day before it happens.
And that's kind of at least 10 to 20 minutes
is my sweet spot.
And yeah, if I do that, then everything else
just seems to sink in and flow easily.
So that's kind of the main thing.
But today, you know, I slept late last night,
I had a guest staying over.
So slept late, woke up early, went to the airport
and it's just been full on.
So I still haven't had my proper chance to do that,
which is what I will do after this call.
Yep, sweet man, well that is cool.
And everything is ticking along in terms of streaming
and it is great to have you guys jumping in.
So as you're jumping in,
let us know where you are in the world,
let us know how you're doing
and why don't you tell us something
that has stood out for you so far
in the process of the Summit.
Great to have you guys jumping on.
So whether you're jumping on live or for the replay,
just let us know where you are
and what's been happening for you.
I see a few of your Fuse Life crew jumping in as well.
So hey, hey to the Fuse Life crew.
What's up family?
I can't see any comments, so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm watching that a little bit.
So if there's anything cheeky or really exciting,
I'll relay it to you.
Awesome.
But why don't you pray for us
and then we'll ask you a little bit
about what Fuse Life is.
And then in this video,
it's gonna be a blast as we talk about
hacking the psychology of transformation.
Cool, father, I just thank you for what you're doing.
I thank you for every person that's on here,
every person that's gonna be connected directly
and indirectly.
I thank you that you're raising up a generation of sons
that know who they are, know who you are,
and know who they are on this planet.
And they know how to bring from the unseen into the seen
without ever needing any other person to validate,
give them permission or appreciate
because they know they just are who they are,
who you've made them.
I just pray this next hour
and everything that's going on with this summit
will accomplish everything that you divinely designed
before the foundation of the world.
And I just end you, amen.
Amen, beautiful.
Hey, thanks my man.
Well, why don't you just start off,
tell us a little bit about what is Fuse Life?
Well, so 12 years ago or 13 years ago,
my journey kind of with God went to this whole new space
and I always loved physical training.
So as that developed,
I ended up running a fitness business
and the whole idea was you can't just get physically fit,
you have to get mentally fit.
And then as the spiritual component came in,
then it was like, oh, you gotta be spiritually fit.
So there was a spiritual body element.
And so Fuse Fit was my fitness business.
And that was the goal is that you understand
that there is more to you than your body.
We fuse everything together.
So as that kept developing,
then Fuse Life just became the natural progression.
We're fusing every area of your life.
You know, your marriage matters, your relationships matter.
It's not just your body, your spirit, or your soul,
but also your finances matter.
Everything in your life matters, you know?
And so we're just fusing every aspect of life.
And then from there came this whole, you know,
that kingdom of God manifests within you.
And then from there, it manifests through you,
outside you.
now we're fusing heaven on earth in and through us. So that was kind of how it all began.
Come on, man. That's awesome. And I can imagine, and I know we've shared a bit of the journey,
a few of the conversations around this, but the whole dynamic of fusing life
is not like, even though it seems like it should be a natural fit, it's not always a natural fit
in a church. I still remember the first promise keepers event that I ever went to,
and I think I went to a couple with my dad as a kid, but the first one I actually went to myself,
one of the main sessions that they were talking about was they were just talking about how many
pastors were dying from heart disease. And they were like, hey, guys, we should do something,
we're obese, we're dying of heart disease. And they were just running off the statistics of
how many pastors were dying, were losing their calling, because they were dying of heart disease.
But despite that, it still feels like church has got a few, in general, like churches have a few
of the elements of what you need in your life, like get some spiritual stuff and some relationship
stuff and some emotional stuff, like emotional stuff is just starting to catch on a bit more.
But how have you found that dynamic? Being a Christian, you've kind of got a house crew
of sorts, you know, really, you've got a movement, you know, it's not just a house church,
you've got a whole movement happening around fuse life. What's it been like that dynamic
and that conversation around fusing everything as opposed to just the narrow few?
When this thing began, actually, I felt really weird and awkward, like I was on the outside
of all church things, because when I'd have conversations about this, it was like weird
and not important, you know. So when I started this online thing, before Zoom became a thing,
and pandemic became a thing, like, I had one pastor specifically be like, you need to stop
doing that stuff. Like, that's a waste of time. What are you doing? You know, like, almost like
that didn't have any value in the kingdom. And I remember going to God and being like,
why are you showing me this stuff? And I'm trying to do this stuff. It doesn't line up with anything
that church wants to do. And, you know, now I see that as my training, that was all part of my
process to bring me here. But at that time, it was it was hard, you know, and it wasn't a space
where you could open up and talk about. Yeah, so I had to kind of navigate that. And there was a
lot of tension for me that I had to wrestle with for maybe four years, really, of what am I doing
here? Like, even this whole Christian secular conversation, you know, like fuse life at the
beginning was like, well, is this a Christian thing is a non Christian thing, like, because all my
church training was messing with what God was starting to show me. And I had to kind of find
this narrow road of views, you know, so yeah, it wasn't easy, man. But I'm glad we could talk at
that. There was a significant moment where you and I had a conversation that just kind of put me at
ease because I hadn't had anyone else that I could relate to in New Zealand, at least, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. And look at it now. I look at it now just coming live. It's so exciting.
Paint a picture for me. If you could take a person on a journey, let's just say the
average Joe, and people follow me a little bit, they know I don't like average as a mindset.
It's not that I don't like average people. I just don't like average mindsets, because they trap
a person in a prison that they were never designed to live in. And at the same time, justify
them and trick them and tell them that the prison that they're living in is their destiny. And
really, it's like a double lie. But if you could take average Joe, from wherever they are, where
would you like to take people? What would your Fuse life in terms of a goal for a person, like
paint a picture of what winning looks like when you go on a transformational journey with someone?
So Fuse life kind of has become a family, like a house now. And but from there, I want to lead
people into a boot camp or a gym, I got these two things going on. And so the gym there was
royal hybrids. The goal there is that everybody learns how to train and actually embrace the
process of becoming you know, so spirit, soul, body, heart, finances, purpose, we train in that stuff.
So the first thing I've had to do is actually start showing people the difference between
learning and training, and how the church has spent a lot of time learning and zero time training.
And when huge, that is huge, right there, massive. So if I'm leading something, and I don't train,
then I can never help you train, you know, like, if all I've done is learn, and I have a position,
because I learned, then all I can do is pass on knowledge. But I can't pass on breakthrough,
really, or I can't impart what I've got from the training aspect. So that's the first thing that
I feel is happening now, more and more and more with what you're doing, what other people are
doing, people are starting to train. So
that's the first concept. But then from there comes this whole
element of every part of my being has purpose, you know, not
just my, the thing I deem spiritual as my calling, but
everything has purpose. And I want to align with that. And
that's kind of the beginning of the journey that I like to take
people on.
Come on, that's, that is exciting. So, um, what might it
look like for someone, you know, because obviously, you're
journeying holistically, and this is quite cool with with
raising royalty. Just last week, we did the rite of passage
challenge. And we talked about seven pillars for raising
royalty, five pillars of what we see as the current move of God
on the planet, which is, you know, a divine life, which is
sonship, the spiritual dynamic, you know, God's bringing a, like
a massive move there. And so like, that's a pillar for us,
because I guess and it's similar for you is like, I'm not trying
to go, hey, what do we want, and then ask God to bless it. I've
been studying like pouring my life out, just going, okay, God,
what are you doing? Because whatever you're doing, that's
where we want to be. And this is what we can see just
consistently, where God's been moving over and over his divine
life, bringing in sonship, you know, and spiritual reformation,
you know, to produce the divine life, divine relationships. And
I think, you know, when heaven on earth manifests, one of the
first places you see it manifests is in our
relationships, you know, if it's not, if there's no heaven on
earth manifesting in our relationships, you know, like
that's a big, that's a big sign that it's the way out of
alignment. So divine life, divine relationships, divine
health, divine abundance, which is the finances, and divine
abundance that supplies the divine purpose, you know, divine
alignment, divine assignment. So we've kind of got those five
things happening is five pillars of what God's doing, and then
two pillars of like, that's the what and this is the how, which
is one is willpower, and one is work ethic. So it's kind of
like, you know, different movements are popping up
catching or hey, like, there's a whole move, a whole holistic
move that God's doing. So what would be great to hear maybe a
couple of transformational stories or testimonies of like,
what does it look like for you? When people are going on a
journey? Or? Yeah, be cool. Just to see a little hear a little
bit of what it's looking like for people.
Yeah. So, I mean, everything you're saying, I think there's a
whole bunch of people now moving that way. And we're using
different words, but we're doing the same thing. And so for me,
keeping it simple, like spirit, soul, body, heart, you know,
finance purpose, like what you're saying. So we've seen
people start to first understand who they are, but not in theory
in practice. And so I'm a big believer. And as you go, you
grow, if there is no go, there is no grow. So for my time as a
personal trainer, helping someone come into 10 push ups,
and then to 15 push ups, the upgrade that's needed in your
brain, that wiring is massive, you know, if you could take
someone from 10 to 15, and then 10 to 20, they can now go
limitless. But that 10 to 15 space is harder in many ways
than the 40 to 60. So I'm grabbing people who are in that
place that have never done something that they you know,
like, you could pop a book out. And I know you did in a very
quick time. I was thinking the other day, I have three subjects
here, maybe I should do five books in five days. But what
would be the purpose of that, like some of us can pop these
things out, because we've trained like that. But that's
dormant within so many people. So helping someone write the
first book while they lose nine kgs and start a business and
improve their marriage. That's kind of what's been happening
here, the fullness of one step at a time, using things like
progressive overload, you know, where you add one step, one
step, one step habit stacking, whatever you stack, you will
stick that kind of thing, we're moving into that space, you
know, so we've had people do all kinds of stuff, like I'm saying
to you, like write a book, start a business, start a charity,
repair broken relationships, get free of the fear of the family
or their spouse or other Christians opinions. That's the
kind of move we're moving into my ultimate dream will be to
have 1000 people all around the planet know who they are
functioning at peak capacity at everything in total
rest. And they have documented proof, you know, like this
gospel of the kingdom will be manifested as a testimony all
around the world, not just a theory. And so that's what we're
moving into. Yeah.
Come on, man. I love that. And I don't know if you I don't know
if you know this, but it was just something that, you know,
like, I heard you teaching on the baseline of success. And
this must have been years ago, five, six years ago, you're
talking on the baseline of success. The first time I heard
you talking about it. And you're just a real genius on the
dynamic of starting small. You've got this concept, you
know, just start with
five minutes a day. Can you unpack that for me a little bit more and for our crew?
What is this baseline for success and why start small? Talk us through that.
Yeah, so baseline of success was kind of this thing I started to see as a need for every human
to have this baseline where they operate from. As I went deeper in that, God started to speak
to me about the front line of significance and if you are to stand in the front line,
you better have a baseline. Otherwise, you will never stick up there long enough.
So most people get to the front line of significance because of their gifting
or because of connections or networking, whatever, but they can't stay there because
they never had a baseline within themselves to sustain it. And so when I began this,
I would do five minutes a day, even for myself, just five minutes on my spirit.
So just either praying in tongues, meditating, reading the word and going deep into that,
and then five minutes on my soul, which looked like either listening to a podcast,
something to do with my mind, my will, my emotions, or journaling. Five minutes on my body,
some kind of training, and then five minutes on my heart, which is undivided attention to one person
for five minutes without any other agenda except to know them, to see them, and to be known and
to be seen. And actually, I found that bring more breakthrough for people than anything else because
they realized they've never done that. I don't want to watch a movie with you. We can do all
of that, but I need five minutes where you're looking at me, I'm looking at you, we're not
doing anything else. And I want you to see me, I want you to know me, and hopefully you want me
to see you and know you as well. So five minutes a day, a lot of people laughed at that because
they're like, that's nothing. But I'm yet to see people who don't have a baseline do that for 21
days straight. So we have people like, because we have this mentality that I'm going to run a
marathon, and now I'm going to suddenly train for a marathon, and I'm going to do 42k's, but I've
never even run 1k. Like my body doesn't know how to do 1k easily, you know. So the five minutes
became a good challenge for people. So I ran this thing called infusion. And we went 21 days straight.
And I found from three or four challenges that on day 12, 13, 14, people's crap would hit the fan,
something would go crazy in their house, and they would lose it. And they can't do their five minutes
a day. And they start blaming their husband, blaming their wife, blaming their mom and dad.
Suddenly, they're talking about when they're six years old, they're talking about their school
teacher, it would all just like, come out, and it'd be like, Oh, my gosh, I have all this stuff in me.
And they would have to deal with that. And so it started with five minutes. And now it's become a
whole nother thing. Come on. And I mean, there's been so much coming out in the last several years.
I mean, it's been out for ages. But in the last several years, it's kind of become more
prevalent, just the whole dynamic of the brain. Yeah. And the significance of our brain and the
process of transformation, which is why you're not just yourself and not just ask, but so many people
around the world, and you get your Catherine Leafs, Caroline Leafs, and all these people saying you
like, do 21 days, do 63 days, do all of this stuff, because it's going to rewire your brain. So
talk, let's go like, let's talk brain function for a moment. 21 days, five minutes a day, what are
you what are you trying to like, I know there's deeper psychology than what people like that you're
coming from, there's a place of like real understanding of psychology and like the
shifting of the brain, the neurology, what are you what are you kind of like sneakily hoping is
going to happen for people in this process as they start like just start small, but start small for
21 days? What's your what's your goal? So I've studied psychology and sports science at uni. And
so that's kind of been there in the background. But this, you know, people used to say 30 days
forms a habit, then they're like, no, 21 days forms a habit, a new habit. So I picked 21 days
for that reason, just to see how that works. But from my experience, 21 days just revealed the chaos,
it didn't bring the correction, you know. So once the chaos is revealed, I get to choose whether I
want to course correct or not. And I've seen many people run away at that time as well. Like,
day 14, it's like, oh, I have to deal with this. I don't want to deal with anything. Thank you. That
was great. I'm out. The 21 days seems to be a good number where you're very aware of where you're at.
And if you can repeat that for three cycles, and Caroline Leaf talks about that, like,
when you can do a cycle three times, you cement that as a habit. So 63, I just picked that because
there was a number in my spirit. But then I ended up listening to her a few days later,
just confirmed to me, that's a great number. Classic. Yeah. So before that, I actually engaged
this program called 75 hard. And a lot of people, I think know that and I went through that it was
intense. It's very hard.
And after I finished that program, I just felt the Lord invite me into a grace journey.
You know, he was like, what if I empower you with my grace?
Because now you're doing hard things.
But what if I can make it smooth, you know, and you do it with grace.
So Grace 63 became a thing.
So we have five minutes a day, and that's the baseline of success.
But once you do that, the next step is to do that for 42 days.
And then the next step is G63 for 63 days.
And so just little progressions to help people stack on and grow and move.
Yeah.
Beautiful, man.
Beautiful.
Let me answer that a little bit more, because you said, what am I sneakily
wanting to do?
And as a personal trainer, there are a few sneaky things you have to do,
you know, because you tell people what they want, but then you know
that they also want the need, but they don't know how to communicate
the need.
You know, the sneaky play in that sense is just a reprogramming in
the subconscious to just start to switch their thinking.
So right now, like I talk about your thoughts and your thoughts create
your belief systems and your belief systems will always drive your
actions.
So if you change your actions, but you don't change your belief systems,
eventually, you will default back to your old actions.
If you change your actions and you change your belief systems, but you
don't change your thinking, eventually, you will default back to your
old way of acting, you know.
So in these 21 days, these three things are getting wired, your
thoughts, your beliefs, your actions, and people start to see their
potential in a way they couldn't see before.
And so that's kind of the real goal there is as the chaos starts to
show and they rewire, they start practicing Romans 12 to in real
time, you know, and that's the ultimate goal.
Yeah, that's great.
Romans 12 to do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be
transformed or be transfigured by the renewing of your mind.
That's so beautiful.
Actually, the Greek word for renew is anakinisos and one of the
meanings of it is to renovate, you know, like we have to renovate
our minds.
What would you say in like, for people gets them like shifts their
motivation going from maybe they knew because you know, how often
is it?
And you guys in the comments, let us know this as well.
You know, how often do you know, right?
You know what you should be doing.
You're just not doing it.
And you know, like we all you have a value system.
These are my values, but actually you're operating outside of them.
I have a real value for this relationship, but actually I can't be
bothered investing in it or I have a real value for my house, but all
I'm eating is KFC, you know, like for you, what I would be great to
just hear.
What do you see shifting for people in terms of like, what does it
take in a person to actually bring them to the place of a line where
they go?
Actually, I'm going to align my values with my actions.
I think that it's very different with every person.
So, you know, like one of the big things that have come out now in
the last few years is your why, know your why, know your why.
And I think that's a big deal.
It's great to know your why, but there is also the element of the
what.
There's also the element of the how, you know, and so I think it's
different for each person.
For me, motivation, like one of the things I want to do for people.
So, like transformation is my thing.
Like I'm giving my life to transformation.
I'm giving my life to purpose.
And my goal is to mobilize people into their purpose, which massively
requires transformation.
And I know that's all I am doing in this planet.
Like, that's my goal.
So when I look at motivation, it would be like a baby, a baby that
needs milk and a baby that needs looking after, a baby that needs
nurturing and taking care of and slowly that baby matures out of
that need into self-sustenance.
So motivation must slowly mature into discipline.
It must mature into ownership.
It must mature into responsibility.
So sometimes I meet people and they've never taken responsibility.
We talk about their marriage and you know, man, you take no
responsibility for your marriage, no responsibility for your body,
no responsibility for things that have gone wrong in your life.
It doesn't matter how much you connect to your why, your why has
nowhere to sit, you know?
So there's this relationship between the hands and the heart.
So I think both are important and that maturing out of motivation
into discipline is where we as a body need to go, you know, and it's
not fun, it's daily, monotonous, just showing up, just getting it
done, that element.
I think the body has not quite embraced that yet, you know?
And actually, if you kind of look at the concept of discipline, I
think, you know, and I would say in the last kind of 10 years, it's
almost like people have started to look down on discipline as
discipline somehow stops God from working in your life, whereas
though discipline, I think there's this big confusion
between discipline and works, and willpower. And even
willpower, right, when I say willpower, it's like, sometimes
people don't get it, and they go, willpower. Oh, that's just
your that's the flesh. And I'm like, the flesh, like, without
willpower, you get nothing in life, you know, like, your
willpower determines what you get in every single area of
your life. And people have, I think, had these big
disconnects. So, you know, just what would you say, like,
around discipline, like, do you speak into that? And what are
you seeing around cultural trends around that?
Like, everything you're saying was my frustration, I had to
walk through, you know, when you talk about discipline, it's
like, it's works and willpower. Like, I think, you know, people
say, Oh, but it's not my will, but his will be done. But if my
will, if I'm going to do his will, it's still my will
yielding to his will, my will doesn't stop existing, you
know. So the stronger my will is, the more I have to serve
with, the stronger my discipline is, the better a disciple I am.
Like, I think people have forgotten their aspect, like,
it's co-laboring, not God laboring for you, you know, it's
co-partnering, not God's gonna do everything. And I'm just
what, like, why are we here then, you know. And so when I
look at the disciples journey, I mean, they were doing all of
this stuff, like they couldn't escape it. They had to deal with
their heart, they had to deal with their mind, they had to
deal with their relationships, they had to deal with their
finances, they had to deal with everything, their will, they had
to deal, they had discipline with their eating, they weren't
eating whenever they wanted, wherever they wanted, they were
walking for miles, like, it was a holistic transformation
happening. And I think that you're totally right, like in
this culture. Now, I think Pentecostal Christianity,
especially or charismatic Christianity, like we think just
our words are gonna do it, you know, and our words are icing
on the cake of a life. And if a life's missing, it doesn't
matter how much icing you throw, like there's no sustenance,
you know. So yeah, I totally, yeah, I totally agree with you.
And I think the more discipline you get, the more freedom you
actually get, you know, the more discipline you get, the more
clarity you get, you know.
Yeah, it's a, this is a real, like, trick. It's like a mind
trick, in a sense of like, people go, like a Les Brown
quote, you know, if, if you do what is difficult, your life
will get easy. If you do what is easy, your life will be
difficult. This, that concept of, like, discipline, actually
brings freedom. Yeah, it's, it's kind of a crazy one. But you
know, people think, oh, yeah, well, I'm free from discipline.
You know, like, you are, you're disciplined, you're kind of
like, you're in works, or you're, you're trapped, you're a
slave to discipline, and look at how free I am. But look at,
like, your freedom of not being disciplined, is actually going
to become something that robs you in that area of your life
where you have no discipline. So you've got no discipline. And
you're instruiting your marriage, well, then that lack
of discipline is going to rob you of your marriage, you've got
no discipline in what you eat, well, then your freedom there is
going to rob you of your health, no discipline in your finances,
well, your freedom is going to rob you. Yeah, you're gonna be
on the streets.
Now, your choice of discipline actually reflects your desires,
you know, and so like, Jesus is like, I only do what I see my
father do. Look at my discipline, it reflects my
desire. So we're having revival, but I only do what I see my
father doing, I gotta go goodbye, my discipline is
revealing my real desire, you know, I think people don't spend
enough time on that, like, if and that needs to be trained,
you know, and that's why we do the five minutes before the 20,
you know, and the 20 before the 40. And that kind of thing.
This is brilliant. Love it, man. Okay, let me hit on another one
of my things that I see you doing so well, and you just
brought it up then. But I did this post a couple of weeks ago
about average and why I hate average so much. And I was just
kind of, I was just kind of expressing myself really, and
talking about how, you know, you got to get mad dog ruthless, on
average, but then people, people jump out at it right now, like
they're reacting to it. But I could see that what their
reaction was, is they're not seeing what I'm actually
writing. But what I'm writing is actually triggering a
justification. It's triggering this. It's triggering excuses,
it's triggering justification, instead of what you were talking
about before of people taking extreme ownership, or the
reality that the mindset right now is actually robbing them of
of the fullness of what God has like the mindset that justifies and endorses and celebrates
average is not your friend you know that's the enemy like that's an inception taking place so
would love just to hear your thoughts here just on like what do you see in terms of people
shifting like that journey from justification to taking extreme ownership what's your experience
there with people as they're starting a journey and starting a shift every course that I do every
training that I do any challenge that I do I begin with telling the truth you shall know the truth
gnosco there has to be a back and forth there is not just a one-way communication but when I know
the truth I let truth know me and truth doesn't lie so truth says things to me that I'm like I
don't really like that so telling the truth I think is number one so when people get triggered
they don't actually tell the truth so justification to me is not a trigger it's a reaction to a
trigger you know so once I get triggered now I've got to justify to preserve myself or whatever but
if I just told the truth then triggers are the most beautiful thing I believe that God allows
us to get triggered and I think he loves that we get triggered because that's now where my
will is making a conscious choice to choose him and so if I ignore that very awesome element of
growth and maturity I shut myself down you know so I think a lot of people when they get triggered
they've created their thought loops and I call these bs thought loops baloney sandwich thought
loops for good people you know there's a thought loop of that goes very quickly into how can I make
this make sense for my life so I don't have to do anything about it you know how can I let this sit
really well in my heart so I don't have to take any ownership or responsibility and now if I've
trained a thought pattern for 10 years 15 years 20 years it's quick you know it's so quick and so
I think when people get triggered very quickly it's like and not many people give you the space
to go into that trigger and go well what happened what really happened you know so I've been triggered
so much last 13 years it's just been one beautiful trigger after another all kinds of relationships
have triggered me people's actions have triggered me good bad ugly has triggered me my own actions
have triggered me and they've all just taken me to an upgrade after an upgrade after an upgrade
and so I think telling the truth is massive the other thing that you said about average to me
you know purpose equals original intent that's the definition of purpose original intent
I was not originally intended to be average I was made in the image of my creator there
was nothing average about him when I choose average I'm not choosing truth and identity
I'm choosing a false identity in this false world and that's how I view the average average thing
you know so I totally get what you're saying and I mean here's here's where we're going to see a real
bomb right here's where we're going to see a real bomb drop is where you're going to be able to see
right you're going to actually at the end of the day you know you're going to see where people's
alignment is through their daily lifestyle the rhythm of life doesn't lie
I don't know if you can see this but it's my diary and I encourage every person to get a diary
because this diary will slap you with the truth and tell you what you're doing with your life
you know when you look back after a week to see what you did you're shocked at actually what you
did and I think this is a really good tool for people to get aware of what you're saying there
like for example I mean what you just said there is so brilliant purpose is original
intent and this is this is one of the things that I I don't like about average right is that
average you know like John 10 10 right it says the thief has come to rob kill and destroy
but I've come that they might have life and have it abundantly the greek word for abundantly is
perisos which means without measure so you could the thing with that is that you could replace
the thief with the word average yep average average has come to rob and kill and destroy
but average right average is exactly what church culture is and exactly what most culture like the
world's culture is average at best and that's where Romans 12 2 comes in and Paul jumps and he
says do not conform to average right he's saying do not conform to average do not conform to the
pattern of this world do not conform to the standards to the average and he's even you know
like we I what I'm hoping people will see in this process is do not conform to average because why
because of original intent was never average so if you conform to average and here's what
sickens me even more is
our Christians, they don't just conform to it, they defend it.
Yep. They're like, they're like, and you're like, Hey, guys,
average is killing us. And they're like, leave average
alone. Average is our friend. But average is not average is
robbing and killing and destroying. And then you've got
these people who won't take ownership. Yeah. And instead of
taking ownership and extreme ownership and going, Oh, wow, we
were born for something more. And leading a revolution into
this place of phenomenal and exceptional, like, because the
divine life can't look anything less than exceptional,
mindblowing, extravagant, you know, the divine life is on par
with Ephesians 320, exceedingly abundantly above and beyond. And
then here we got the church defending average. And I'm like,
well, what's going on? So just where it shows up, I love what
you're saying there is like, we don't do learning, we do
training. So what do you think training will start looking
like? Right? If we go on this shift, this mindset shift from
just learning about the gospels or whatever, what we've been
doing for shift from learning to training, how does that shift
the daily rhythm that's aligned with original intent?
That's a deep question. We're opening all these subjects, you
know, but I think one of the problems is we have trained the
body to be like this right now. And I don't think people want to
take ownership of that, you know, like, that we created a
body that doesn't want to train, we've pedestaled learning, we've
promoted people on learning, we've promoted people on
knowledge, we've never, like, if we went into a business, you
would go and ask the business owner, how is your business
doing? And we would have a real metric to say it's going well,
or it's not going well. But we don't do that with the body.
Like we have no metrics. No, we almost think it's shameful to,
you know, like, like following God is like, don't ask how well
the marriage is, don't ask him about like, that doesn't matter
because we love Jesus, and he loves us. And we are actually
reducing what he did on the cross to this weird experience
of just kind of making it through life, you know, like,
just as you were talking, like, I'm getting fired up while
you're getting fired up. We could go so many places. But
when I look at look at average, like that word average, you
know, it's like a collective that's just divided, and you
find that middle number in between. So you just like the
collective, we all must be the same. The pattern of this world
is indoctrination to cause conformation, let's conform,
let's all be the same. From when you're in school, you're all
wearing the same uniform, same hairstyle, do your shoes like
this, be in the subject, get tested in the same, same, same,
same, same, same, same, same. We're all trained to conform
the pattern of this world, you know, and here's God that's
like Psalm 139, I fearfully, wonderfully made you, I knit
you in your mother's womb, I know everything about you, I
divinely designed you, like it's so opposite to what this world
has trained us in, it's gonna require a confrontation. And in
church, we don't like confrontation, we don't know how
to do healthy confrontation, you know, so I think it comes back
to that is that as a body, we're gonna have to learn how to
confront this thing. Because we're defending something that
was never the heart of our father in the first place, you
know, come on. Okay, I just had a I just had a bit of a crazy
thought, right? Because our rhythm, produce like the our
lifestyle, our daily rhythm is what's producing our life
experience, right? And I believe that the normal that we've got,
even the even where I'm pushing through into my breakthrough
until like, what's what for me is like, wow, this is the
result, my normal now as a result of decades of
transformation. But, but I still believe that where I'm at
right now, is nothing compared to the potential of where God's
going. And this might seem funny to some people, but I would
suggest that like, even I was having a real deep time with the
Lord, just kind of a chat back and forth. And I was like, maybe
I'm at 3% of my potential. And then I analyzed what I really
think my potential is. And I was like, nah, I'm not even
close to 3% of my potential. And it's not because I'm down on
myself. It's not because I'm like, oh, it's because I got so
much hope. I've got so much hope for where God's gonna take us
and what and how the world's gonna shift. And I'm so excited
about the power of the move of the Spirit of God that we're
experiencing right now. I'm like, wow. So here's my here's
my kind of like, random question for you. I want you to imagine
right that you're in the future. And you're say you're living at
like 80 90% of your potential. And your future self comes back
to you right now. And you have a conversation with your future
self.
This is just a total random concept, but I was just, I'm, I think it's going to be juicy.
What I'd like you to do is just try and imagine and chat with me. What do you think your future,
like, what would the difference be in your future self's daily rhythm? That's, you know,
like the reformation, it changes not just our mindsets, but our mindsets lead to change action,
which leads to change lifestyle, a change, a completely different rhythm of life. What do
you think the future rhythm of life is going to be? That's going to be the new normal?
Yeah, I mean, that's a loaded, loaded question. In terms of potential, I think, for me,
I've been really gauging how all in I am, because that's the only thing I can really
quantify. You know, I don't, I don't like in terms of potential, I mean, you're, you're,
you're in crisis, crisis, and you, you're really limitless. So you will never be able to give a
real percentage, like, 3% will never be enough, like it never, never ends, you know, and I feel
like we're on this journey of glory to glory, strength to strength, faith to faith, that's
never going to end, you know. So I think that's an important thing for me, as someone who's wanting
to take other people there is to help them see that once they get on this escalator, or elevator,
so to speak, it's only going to go and go and go, you know. So when I look, I go, how all in am I,
and I was doing this with my wife just in the last, last year, like, my wife thinks I'm like,
10 out of 10, all in, you know, and I'm like, I think I'm an eight, maybe, maybe, like, there's
still more I want to unleash and share and say and do. And so that's kind of my measurement there.
But if I look into the future, and now I'm speaking to me here, I just see a total new
wave of rest, and understanding how to bring the unseen into the scene as a portal of this
whole thing, you know, and understanding creation, understanding people, understanding relationships,
being able to facilitate heaven manifesting. And I don't mean, you know, like, we say miracle
signs and wonders, and we just think it has to be a foot growing out or a deaf person hearing like,
I'm actually on this assignment from the Lord now in the gospels to see all the miracles that
are ignored by people. And I'm stuck on Matthew two, like it's crazy. So that's kind of what for
me is would be the thing is where I'm sleeping, I'm waking up in a different realm, you know,
I'm able to walk with people in a different way. We like, for example, we do one hour of work in
this realm, and it's producing a month's worth of productivity, you know, there's collaboration
happening on a total different wavelength, there are systems shifting, changing, and every other
person I'm in touch with is also coming into this space. That's kind of for me, yeah, where I'm at
now, you know, so. Oh, man, so good. I love it. I love it. Cool. Well, um, we'll start to kind of
like bring it in towards a bit of a landing gear for people. So we've been talking about, like,
the summit is this the divine health summit, we've heard so much amazing content and transformational
stories. So much as you know, there's just been so many good insights and genius ways to do things.
Actually, and we had a healing meeting with Matt Lanza as well, a really cool testimony came through
from the last night I saw it from someone watching the replay. They watched it several days ago,
and they didn't post it, the testimony because they wanted to just really like double check,
but when we were praying, they felt their burnout leave. So good. And, you know, like,
they were like, Whoa, that's shifted, you know, they were in this place of being being burnt out,
and they felt the burnout leave while we're praying. And then all of it and they were like,
Oh, is this too good to be true? And so they've waited several days, and they've been like,
wow, this has not come back, I actually don't have the burnout. I'm like, I'm back in the game,
which is so exciting. So there's been like a smorgasbord of good stuff, people will have
picked out and seen some like, yeah, I really want this. Just love for you to drop in for people.
And hey, for everyone who's listening, why don't you just drop in as well? What's something that
you've seen in the summit so far that's like sparked a dream in you like I really want that
could be a health transformation or it could be I mean, we saw yesterday just I had my friend Gabby
who owns the gym here and she's Isagenix is like, hey, show us what's been happening people all
these massive transformations that was photos of like, wow, so you guys have seen some things that
sparked some dreams. Why don't you drop in the comments? What what dreams are coming alive for
you here? But Joseph, advice for someone who's like ready to start making a change? What how
would you recommend they?
start actually okay i'm ready to change i've got my mindset shifted but tell me what to do
well i'll send you a picture that you can share with them it's just the baseline of success is
where i would start you know five minutes a day and you start to learn to build a new pattern
while you're building a new pattern it will confront your old patterns and you will have a
choice to rewire and renew through repetition repetition is the only way for you to rewire
you cannot rewire one off you know and so because repetition reveals the desire also if i really
desire something i'll do it again i'll do it again i'll do it again so i would send you that
picture and that's the best place i think for someone to start you know five minutes on your
soul five minutes on your spirit five minutes on your body five minutes on your heart and you'll
find that the body will be easy or the soul is easy but the spirit may be hard or spirits easy
but the heart's hard and you start to elevate your game you know collectively as a being you
will start to come up and so i think that's the the best bang for buck when you're first starting
transformation that's so good um dave riddell has a great great quote he said if something's worth
doing it's worth doing badly while i get better this is so good purpose you know most people
as we dig into the bs thought loops we go to the root it is i am scared i'm going to stuff up or do
it wrong and that seems to be at the bottom of a lot of people who want to explore something but
are scared to engage it you know so i'm very big on i am where i am i'm growing every day i am where
i am i'm growing every day and that's a sentence that you guys can take and keep with you i keep
it with me when i have a good day i am where i am when i have a bad day i am where i am but i'm
growing every day and suddenly i look back six months later and i've grown so much you know
so this is a journey and they're badly like just to speak on that thing there is nothing that you
will ever do on this planet that you didn't first do badly like when you first came into this planet
you didn't even know how to drink milk from your mom's breast like you weren't good at it you got
good at it you know you couldn't talk you couldn't walk you couldn't eat you couldn't poo or pee
properly like you had to get good at it you couldn't use your phone properly but i don't know
why with god and the things of god we think that it's you know we don't understand the same maturing
process that he gave us as a type and a shadow in the natural that we're going to be bad but you're
going to get better and better and better and better so yeah come on what would be for you
what would be a couple of the classic thought loops that um shut people down when you know
they're they're ready to go like their hearts in but suddenly just blindsides them yeah i mean
again it's so different with everybody right but um what you'll find is people will say i have a
desire i want to change and then they'll say what should i do to change then they'll come to that
what to do to change and very quickly they will weigh it up and while they're weighing it up
they need to tell the truth but if in that moment like most people i found who have these bs thought
loops like we all have them in different capacity you don't even realize still telling the truth
becomes your norm you don't even realize that you're running away so things like you know i'll
start on monday like you create a thought loop like starting something on a friday is dumb like
where did that come from you know or saturday sunday we don't do that on the weekend like these
are little thought loops like well i have to wait for this or when this happens then i can we create
our own little special comforting thought loop you know so i always tell people when you're starting
transformation you can't trust yourself in that area i wouldn't trust you i wouldn't trust you i
wouldn't trust your thought patterns why would you you've already seen what your current thought
pattern is bringing you you're a fool to trust yourself in that area you know so i meet some
people that are great at relationships and i'm like i would trust you talking about relationships
but if we talk about the body and you absolutely don't care about your body well how can i trust
you you don't trust yourself to take your own advice you know so you have to go through a period
of i'm not going to trust my feelings right now like when you're working out and you're dying and
you want to quit you can't trust your feelings right now because the quit is coming because
it's comfortable but as you don't trust that you have a new a new normal you know so yeah yeah oh
man that's juicy that's so powerful um feelings is a big deal a feelings is a big deal uh i had
i posted actually just last week i posted a quote um just something that had been on my mind which
is faith tells your feelings the truth and jesus has these really good he's really good at creating
uh like a litmus test or like okay here's the evidence of faith is that anyone who has faith
in me here's good evidence they will do what i've been doing they will do even greater things like
oh hang on a minute maybe we should that's a real wake up
cool right like that's a whole snap if we're not doing greater things than Jesus then we don't
have we don't have much faith like oh look I'm like oh I got and then we have that moment justify
or take ownership and figure out what's going wrong with us that we're not walking on water
because obviously Jesus has some type of expectation that walking on water and
you know turning water into wine and you know having dominion over the natural and the
spiritual he has some type of expectation that that should be our normal so I love the fact you
know like how he how he does that you know he's like there's evidence that was just a great great
line about not trusting our feelings and not trusting ourself when the the evidence yeah
yeah like we we for some reason we don't seem to like looking at our track record and looking at
the evidence and looking at the proof but Jesus's whole testimony was his proof you know it wasn't
actually his words as much as the works like the words sat on the works you know and so yeah I
think it's important that we get good at looking at evidence and track record proof looking at
patterns and be able to tell ourselves the truth like if I carry on this pattern this is where I'm
going so I'm going to have to disrupt this pattern and during the disruption I cannot trust what's
going on in here because this is trying to keep me on my current pattern you know the last thing
just on feelings I if we come back to original intent then I believe feelings were divinely
designed as a tool for me to help create but somewhere along the line feelings have become
our master you know time money and feelings were created by God for us not not to rule us but for
us to rule and have dominion over them and so to me feelings are just like a thermometer you know
they reveal that my temperature is high but they didn't cause them you know the thermometer is not
causing what's happening in my body it's just revealing it so then I get to change and it's
the same thing with my feelings is that I'm feeling a certain way that's not my truth that's how I'm
feeling but now I get to change whatever that is you know so oh man so much goodness I don't know
about you guys are you loving this I'm sure you are loving it we're getting lots of good uh really
good comments here your good friend Kelly from the States is on as well hi Kelly hi everyone else
so much uh lots of love to all of you guys um now oh a couple of juicy things what I've got a couple
of I've got a couple of juicy thoughts um as we bring it in like just the final final moments
um one thing that I want to get you to do in a moment is just declare original intent over people
I just want to kind of like give you space to kind of monologue over people about the glory
of the original intent over their lives so I want to do one more thing before we do that and it's just
this concept of you know it's the same process isn't it like if you want to if you want to hack
your psychology in producing transformation in your spiritual life it's the same process as doing
it in your physical and then if you want to like change your up your nutrition or your diet
it's the same process right you know like make it make a small change stick at the small so
incremental and sustainable just be cool just to have you speak for a moment on
that holistic dynamic and how you encourage people you know like to just get that change
underway and how they you know just anything else you got on that dynamic of hacking psychology
I like using fitness terms just because of my background and my studies in sports science and
psychology and so the law of specificity where you focus on one thing you will get exponentially
better at it but then the law of progressive overload where you learn how to incrementally
increase the load that you're carrying I think those two are heavily underestimated you know so
if you go to a weightlifting gym so not a powerlifting gym but a weightlifting gym where
you learn how to do a snatch or a clean and jerk it's a very complicated movement because it's very
holistic so for example like you could bench press or deadlift or squat and have some strong muscles
but you don't need your whole body in sync like you would if you were weightlifting so there are
weightlifters they don't look strong they don't look very muscly but they know how to move a weight
in sync they've learned to flow so to learn a flow you can't go to a good weightlifting gym
and they will give you any weight they won't even give you a bar and a
bar is like 20 kgs with no plates on it.
They won't give you anything except a broomstick.
They give you a broomstick to develop your mechanics.
And that's where when you understand that,
oh, I'm doing five minutes,
but I'm gonna do these five minutes really well.
I'm gonna learn how to engage five
and let the five become a part of me,
me become a part of five.
So much so that one day it will be a hundred,
but it's gonna be the same effort.
And that's where I think a lot of people miss that.
So if you are wanting to transform,
what I would do is catch the area of my life
that is the weakest.
Because let's say you're eight out of 10 in your spirit,
you're eight out of 10 in your relationships,
but you're two out of 10 in your body,
you could spend 20 hours a week on your spirit,
but you're already ace.
So you will just go up one,
but you have eight points to gain in your body
that require your attention.
And this is bringing you down.
You're only as strong as your weakest link.
So I think the law of specificity,
so what am I gonna work on?
Let me start on one thing
before I become good at two things at a time,
I need to change one thing at a time.
And then it becomes, well, I'm gonna add load on there.
So another thing with muscle building and adaptability
is if I lift five kgs today, five kgs next week,
then the week after I better go to seven kgs.
Otherwise I am no longer working out,
I'm just having an experience.
And that's where like your daily routine or your rituals,
whatever you wanna call them,
they have to start adding load.
They have to go to a new place
if you wanna see new growth.
So those two things is be specific about what you want
and then start to add slowly one little change at a time,
one kg at a time.
Beautiful, beautiful.
And that's kind of along the similar mindset as well
of consistency over intensity when you start.
Get the consistency, get the habit,
and then you can build intensity as you're going.
Yeah.
Beautiful, man.
Hey, well, let's wrap this up by just creating space
for you just to declare over people purpose
by just declaring original intent.
I just wanna let you loose on it.
Okay, well, I have no idea
what's about to come out of my mouth,
but I do wanna remind you,
I'm not even telling you something you don't know.
Your spirit has known this this whole time.
Deep down, you know that you've come from God
and you have divine design with purpose
on this planet for this time.
There is a way that you think, a way that you speak,
a way that you process things.
There is a way you express yourself.
There is a way that you look at the world.
There is a way that you like to solve problems.
There is a way that you see some problems
that nobody else sees.
It's all divinely designed.
You are a puzzle piece, a micro in a nano.
You have a part to play that if it was missing,
we're all missing something.
So I wanna speak to that divinely designed for this time.
2022, there are a lot of people
that are trying to figure out what they should do
looking at what's happening in the world.
You're not gonna find it there.
They could never tell you that
because they never made you.
It's always been in you in seed form
and it's been waiting for nurturing.
So purpose has always been in you in the seed form.
And as you nurture that, as you explore that,
as you engage with that,
as you express who you are in there,
as you enjoy the process with your father and you evolve,
you're gonna see the fullness of why you are here.
So I wanna encourage those of you
that have been asking that question,
like my body, my relationships, what's going on?
What do I do?
What should I change?
Or what's my next step?
It's already inside you.
And I wanna encourage you to take time
to get away from the noise.
You have to be willing to get away from the noise
where you make time in the morning or evening,
get away from people.
Sit in there, in the stillness, in the void,
in the Genesis one,
in that place where all of creation takes place.
But I just wanna agree with heaven over your life,
that your inventions,
some of you have some amazing inventions,
but you've been scared.
That boldness and courage will start to overshadow you.
I wanna remind you that courage is not the absence of fear,
but it is the choice to take action
in the midst of that fear.
There is no person on this planet
that doesn't feel some kind of fear
because in original intent,
that fear has a purpose also, a healthy one.
So I wanna encourage you there
to just be willing to take your next step.
You might not see the whole mountain,
but if you take enough next steps, you will hit your peak.
So I bless you with that.
And I come in agreement with everything God is doing
over the summit, over your life,
that this moment will mark a shift in your perspective
and what you're seeing,
in how you process and in your willingness to.
jump. This is your time. This is your year. So I bless you in
there.
Amen. Well, what an honor, Joseph, I just I'm loving it.
I'm, I'm loving, you know, the call. I don't know if people
kind of won't really know this, but we sometimes joke Joseph and
I like we're like twins. He's like my Indian twin. Because of
the similarities that God keeps doing in the spirit, you know,
that we'll look over at each other's lives and going, Oh,
whoa, God's doing that. And oh, man, like, it's just so so
funny that the parallels that God's been running us along has
been just just amazing. And I'm so stoked, man. I'm so stoked to
be running with you in this process of ushering in an
unprecedented move for the Spirit of God that is so
holistic, you know, that it's lighting people up like never
before. So, man, thank you so, so much for your time. Family, I
know that you will be blessed by Joseph. And he's got awesome
podcasts out. There's so much good stuff that Joseph is doing.
So if you want to follow him, you will be outrageously blessed
by all his stuff. And yeah, so Joseph, thank you so much. We'll
look forward to having you again soon on the adventure. There's
cool things coming up. And I'd love to have you a part of
those as we go forward. Just a wealth of your wealth of wisdom
and glory and goodness of what's happening on the planets.
There's so much to dive deep into, you know, into what you
carry. So I'm excited about, you know, hearing more from you in
the future. And we because we had the time shift this
morning, we're actually going to be going live really, really
soon with Daniel and Sabrina from the States, some really
amazing athletes over there, mountain runners, we're going to
see some pretty cool footage of them running the mountains around
America, and hearing a bunch about, you know, what do you do
when injury comes or something comes and blindsides you and
steals your dream? And how do you overcome injury? And how do
you overcome critics? And how do you overcome the disappointment
and the blindsides and all of this that comes at you, and
they've got a phenomenal transformation story and some
really, really good stuff that you guys are going to love. So
it's going to be beautiful. And that's, so I'll be live again in
like, 25 minutes with those guys. So I'll see you guys real
soon. Lots of love coming in here in the comments towards
Joseph. And yeah, so feel free to drop some love there to
Joseph in the comments. We appreciate that. Thanks, guys.
Drop in there as well while it's fresh in your mind. What stood
out from the session that just hit you? I know there's so much
gold on fired up. And again, Joseph, thank you so much. Thank
you. Love you. Honor is mine. Love you too, bro. Thank you.
Cool, man. Bless you. Thanks again, bud. See you. Bye.