Recording. And we are live.
Oh, hey, family, here we are again.
And it is such an honor
right now to be here with Daniel and Sabrina.
And we're going to hear a whole lot of dynamic stories today,
which are going to be really good.
We're going to be hearing about overcoming injury and disappointment
and all the challenges that go with that.
And then just some of the blessings that come from blindsides.
It's going to be really good.
You're going to love Daniel and Sabrina.
Their story is amazing.
And I'm going to do my classic and I'm going to check the tech in a second,
make sure we're streaming everywhere we're supposed to be.
But as we do that, Daniel and Sabrina, I've been asking everyone
like, what is your what's like the rhythm of your day?
What is the rhythm of your life look like?
How does your day start?
So tell me about your rhythm today.
Like, what have you guys been up to so far today and where are you
and what time is it and what's been happening today?
Yeah, first of all, welcome.
I mean, you can probably already hear that from my accent
that we are not from normally like English speaking countries.
So we are originally from Germany, but we are right now here
in the United States and in Virginia.
I mean, currently for a job.
And how does our morning look like?
So basically today, like we said, you know what?
It's cold outside.
We want to go in the mountains.
So we actually, you know, just woke up like did some
just, you know, pray time, just some watching church live, so to speak.
And then we went right away to the mountains and said, OK,
we're going to do this trail.
And, you know, that's often what we what we like, especially on the weekends
where, you know, we especially use in the morning, like
a power drink that just gets us started for the day.
And then we really hit there and just try to to conquer that mountain.
That's always like a great story.
And so get us out there in nature, fresh air
and have some fun and play time for sure as well.
So, yeah, but right now in here in the United States,
it's a little bit different than in New Zealand, for example.
We have winter time, so we have also a lot of snow and a lot of ice.
So it was a big challenge this morning, but so much fun, so much fun.
Nice. Very cool.
Well, it is a real honor to have both of you with us all the way from Virginia.
And as you guys said, you're originally from Germany, but now in the States.
And we're going to have a great time
together and hear some stories and hear some
really powerful insights as well, which is going to be fantastic.
But how about we start with prayer?
And if you guys would be happy to pray for us to kick off,
that would be fantastic.
Yes, let's do that.
Heavenly Father, we just thank you and praise you for this time.
We thank you for the resources and the speakers
and just what you have created here with Benji and Dr.
Robin and all these speakers so far.
I just honor and thank you for the wisdom and the knowledge that's been shared.
And Father, especially your glory and your grace towards your people.
God, I just thank you for this space that you've created,
that we get to share humbly our story, these people and whatever
your message is to these individuals, people that we just
ask you to just bless them and to just revive them,
to give them a message that gives them hope and a future and a life.
And so just as we're here today,
just be among us, just show your presence and just show that joy
that we get to have while just being in your presence.
Father, thank you and I praise you in Jesus name. Amen.
Amen. Oh, thank you.
So good. I'm excited about our time together today.
Once again, I want to just really say it's an honor to have you guys.
Hey, for our beautiful team who are tuning in as you jump in live,
wherever you are, why don't you just let us know where you're joining from?
Drop in the comments where you are and whether you're watching live or replay.
If you're live, just drop live in the comments.
If it's a replay, drop replay.
And it's also really cool
hearing from people what value points you've been getting
from the journey so far in the summit.
So why don't you share in the comments what you're what you're getting?
That's been just a beautiful moment from the summit so far.
And cool to see you guys there jumping in.
I see Christchurch, Rotorua,
Canada. Cool, cool.
Great to have you guys jumping in.
New Plymouth, Manawatu, Melbourne.
Cool, guys. Well, great to have you.
We love sharing the adventure together.
So as you're jumping in, say hi, say where you're coming from.
we with these guys in Virginia. So you said you ran a mountain today, like what do you mean? What
does that look like? What was the mountain? Let's explore that a little. It's a national park here
around, so I mean that's what we enjoy a lot here in the state parks and the national parks.
I mean from Germany we lived in a very very flat area, we didn't have any mountain at all,
so just coming here to the states and seeing this state parks, national parks like this one,
what is just one hour away like Shanandua, Shanandua national park, it's a smaller one but
also very nice and just how clean it is, the nature and I mean we enjoy it so much just by
being ourselves and just everything what we just grabbed during the week, like all the also dirt
things you know and on the weekend on the nature you can just let it go. Come on. Especially one
thing that I realized while we were doing this mountain like runnings, I actually didn't know
that it would be a thing for us to really do this but it evolved and every time that we go on this
mountain, every time we're out in nature away from just every normal day life, that's where normally
God speaks to us like closely and we had so many revelations, so many things that we learned
throughout this time of just being out there, just running right, just being in his glory I always
say and spend that time together, it is reviving and you know it restores you, there's so much that
you get from it and always people that smile you know because they're all these people that just
went out there you know they just also want that getting away and so yeah we had great conversations,
met super godly people that joined us on a hike or run which you know you just never know so it's
always a surprise but always great so yeah it's cool. Hey for our people who are joining us,
I love what you just shared there about how it's for you, it's a space where you love, you just
find it easy to connect with God there. For our crew who's watching and joining and why don't
you just drop in the comments that what are some of those spaces for you where you're like man this
is where I encounter God so effortlessly, be cool to hear some of those spaces for you. So for you
guys, you run mountains, so this mountain today, what was the mountain called?
What is it? I don't know if it had a special name, it was just like in the Shenandoah National Park,
it was a trail, we wanted to go in the National Park but it was still closed so you had to go
from the outside in the inside you know it was also not a big one and we're also happy that it
wasn't a big one because of the snow and the ice. Yeah so you were you were like sliding around a
bunch of snow everywhere. I mean we are not typical like very well prepared so we are more like a
little bit ignorance on fire, we just have our jogging shoes and just use what is on our hands
and you see the other people are very well prepared you know the real the good shoes,
the good equipment, we're just with running shoes and but that's how life sometimes is,
you just take what is in your hands and just make the best out of it. Yeah nice, that's cool. Well
we have got some fun clips of you guys boosting around some different mountains so I'm gonna grab
I'm gonna do a screen share and pull up some clips of you guys running around and then we're gonna
we're gonna have a look at these, have a bit of fun and then we're gonna get some backstory.
So let me click in here, this is the one we want, this is the one we want, all right and here we go.
Oh that's so good, I love that. Yeah that was it was definitely one of our favorite places,
it was like middle west and in the in the states like Colorado and it was just so beautiful.
Oh stunning, right let's hit this other video here. So this is the Great Smoky Mountains,
tell us a bit about before we watch this video here, tell us a little bit about what we're about
to see.
So basically, I mean Great Smoky Mountains is like I think it's the biggest national park in general just like all white and it's just so beautiful and gorgeous when you go there and you can just see a little sneak peek here of the mountain view that you get later on.
But this was I think like a 10 mile hike or trail hike and it was super like we did this first in winter, it is just super gorgeous in terms of the views in between.
So basically what you're going to see is like all the trail running that we did there and then at the end of course just a great view. That's the, that's why you go, you know, mountain running because of the view later on that you can enjoy right like
the, the fruit of your of your labor, so to speak. So, yeah.
All right, here we go.
Yes.
Yeah.
Nice guys, I love it.
There's always a moment when you reach the top you know you feel like to dance. Yeah, come on. Okay fam for those watching. What do you think about that how do you like those dance moves and drop in there as well like if you if you want if you're if you're watching
let me know if you've been to that part of the world because that was Smoky Mountain.
The Smoky Mountain trail and what we was the other one that was around Colorado.
Yeah, the grace Pete that the one was grace peak, that's like a 14 or they say like 14,000 feet high. It's like 4000 4200 meter. Yeah. And the one in the great talking mountains was Mount LeConte, and that was like I think how many.
Yeah, 2008 or something. Yeah, so yeah, well I am. I know when I was in Colorado.
A few years ago,
even I went for just a short run you know it's like a kilometer to my friend's house but they live at high altitude. I was visiting Nancy and Shannon and James and some friends over there and oh my goodness just running like a kilometer to their house.
I was puffed out I was like, Well, what's going on and they were like, Oh, it's the altitude you it's it's hardly any oxygen up here so how did you guys deal with that.
Actually, it was actually also a very very funny story because I used to be a little bit more in the Alps so I know a little bit of the altitude but I was also not really use it anymore so much so I was also underestimating it a little bit.
And when we came there on a Saturday we actually met some people over there and asked for some kind of recommendations because that always there's something we always like to do ask the locals.
Well, what you can do which kind of hikes and they recommended this kind of 14 or, and we had no idea I mean we are from German we also know just meter. I had no idea how much 14,000 feet is so I was like, sounds good.
But I would not do it tomorrow or the next days because you have to get used to the altitude.
So and people know me I'm sometimes a little bit ignorance on fire so when I see something like that it's like, Oh, let's do it Sabrina so we have the next day we have day off so let's do it.
So we went up there and we what we started to run.
But very quick, we recognize.
And then, I mean, the air. Yeah, the air was in but I think it was such a gut story because like I went up there and I was just like frustrated I was like, why is my body not coping right I had all these expectations to my body to my fitness level because
of running here in South Carolina where there's no altitude where you're like, I would be normally good at this right but I was struggling with my breath, my body you know it was just a total different circumstance in that moment that I was not being aware
of. And so we were going and I was just frustrated I cried half of the way because of like Daniel like because I was just, again I wanted to control the situation control my body and just be like, why it's not working.
And so but we did it my step by step.
step, had to take fewer breaks. But we got there and said, we
want to really get this done. You know, it doesn't matter how
many stops, how much we have to drink water and get us
nourished. But at the end, God said, as well, you know, this
was a learning lesson for you. Because sometimes, you know, we
even compare ourselves in our fitness level, health level,
wherever we are, in our journey, we compare ourselves to people
that are already at level 10 in their journey, if we are maybe
just at level one. And, you know, in that moment, I'm just
prepared, I was not prepared to run a mountain like that. And
sometimes we're jumped in, like we're gonna thrown into
situations where we're not prepared for, right. And you're
just like, okay, I'm just gonna do this. But in that moment, you
know, God just said, hey, it's all right. If you look at other
people that have like, you know, lower altitude, and you see
them crashing it, let them crash it. But it's not your journey.
You're here on this mountain, that's so much high altitude, I
have such a bigger purpose for you with this journey with your
health journey with whatever you're doing, right? That only
when you conquer this mountain, you can later on share my glory
even more to more people, which you couldn't if you would done
that little mountain. Right. And so this whole mountain thing was
just such a yeah, revelation for us, because I was so frustrated
of where I was, you know, but accepting God's grace later on
for actually just doing it and you know, being surrendering in
the process.
Nice. Well, it's so it's so cool to see you guys, you're in this
space now of running mountains and living dreams. But I'd love
to go and hit some backstory of where things were for you,
because both of you are quite athletic growing up. Do you
want to tell us a little bit about what you were involved in
when you were, you know, when you're younger, kind of sports
and things like that? What was your, what did your space look
like? Daniel, we'll start with you. What was your world like?
So for me, I mean, as a German, most people really start as a
child with soccer. It's really like, I feel like almost everyone
as a teenager, and then I was, I think, playing 20 years, almost
20 years soccer. It was not on a professional level, but on the
level where people already made a little bit money in the team,
you know, but there was always like a time where I had also
struggled with with injuries, and was a very, very rare nerve
issue. What I could not figure out, I was at so many doctors,
and no one could really figure out that was also hindered me
all the time was playing soccer. And then, at the end, God helped
me really to us to stop it. Because I was struggling with it
with the feeling that I cannot perform at my best. And then I
hurt my knee again. So I already heard it a couple of
times. But then it was at the moment where I said, Okay, now I
have to stop. And that was where God told me really nice, Daniel,
your focus should be now somewhere else. And that was my
journey. Right before we moved to the United States where I
really stopped after 20 years playing soccer, but where I said
Thank you, really, thank you. It was. Yeah, it was actually right
before our wedding where that happened with the knee. So it
was actually not the best time. It went on. Well, yeah.
Yeah. So for you, that's pretty much closed the door on soccer
for you. But it didn't close the door on my on everything. So
we're gonna we're gonna come back to that. So you had a major
injury, basically, it took you out of soccer. And so we're
gonna we're gonna pause there. And we'll come back to that. And
we're gonna jump into your story of Sabrina. What were you
involved in? When you were young, what was happening?
So basically, when I was nine years old, my school teacher
back then in sports, he actually said Sabrina, hey, you know, why
don't you try out track and field. So since I was nine, I
was in track and field. And actually, I was pretty good. I
didn't even know that track and field really existed until then
until he brought me in. But I really had a blast there and was
really successful in my young years still, I think have club
records, which is kind of weird. But um, it's been a
journey for me where I found a safe place for me in terms of
identity. Like for me, track and field was everything. And so I
trained a lot. And you know, I love the half a lawn where you
do the seven disciplines, but my specialties were like long jump
and hurdles. So that was always something I enjoyed the most. I
hated running. That's the fun part that I'm now doing mountain
running, but we come to that later, how that switched, but I
always hated the 800 meters at the end of every competition.
But um, yeah, so that's what I've done since I was young and
until we moved here, but there was
One moment where I was definitely not prepared for it and, uh, nobody really
anticipated this, but I had bracelets, um, in my teenage years and just to get my
teeth straight and, but it was still in a period where I was training six to seven
times a week and where I was still growing.
Like I was still, you know, like, um, in my growth process and I was in the
middle of a competition and one of a sudden I just had so much pain in my, in
my leg, which also doesn't make sense, but I just couldn't continue.
I just couldn't continue.
I had to stop.
And while we were kind of going to through the therapist, like the
standard kind of doctors, nobody could tell me they prescribed totally wrong.
Like, you know, um, what do you say that, you know, when you put
in your shoes, like souls, et cetera.
So it just created such a mess even more after that.
But yeah, that was a pretty hard part time for me because I just had to stop.
He said, you have to stop.
Like, otherwise you won't be able to do any sports anymore.
And so from 100% power to zero, I just stopped there, but that was a hard, that
was, yeah, a really, really hard time.
Okay.
So they were just crushing it, living the dream, doing amazing in
athletics and, you know, track and field.
And then this weird, it's the sort of pain was in your legs.
Is that right?
Yeah.
But in the end it was actually because of the bracelets.
I had scoliosis in my, in my, um, back.
So it created my spine to completely be like an S.
Okay.
Let's let's pause this and break this down.
Cause this is weird.
Yes.
Are you saying that your braces caused scoliosis?
Yes.
Because I found a sports doctor and he was saying, actually I have this a lot,
but the, like the, you know, um, doctors who do your braces, um, they know they
don't just often know about this because of course not everybody's a sports
athlete and does so intense sports.
But if you, when I went to a sports doctor, they said, Hey, we actually
see that a lot, especially with young people that when they get the
bracelets and do their sports, it affects, because you know, all the
shifting in your, in your, um, area, it affects also your, your spine.
Wow.
You would never imagine that getting braces is going to cause scoliosis.
Yeah.
So, so for people who might not know, if you do know in the comments, let
us know if you know what scoliosis is.
Um, if you think that's crazy for those who are listening, if you think
like that is a weird, then just like on a scale of one to 10, how weird is that?
I'm thinking that's going to be like seven or eight out of 10 bizarre, you
know, like you were not thinking of cool.
So unpack for me what scoliosis is like, what is that?
Basically it really, if you break it down, it just means that your whole
like, um, back, you know, your own spine kind of shapes because of, you
know, how it is moving here and you, you know, sports and you grow basically
if you still in that, you know, your bones grow your, you know, all everything
grows, it kind of irritates that process and, and gives you, you know,
your, um, spine that asks for it, which kind of basically means you have to be
careful because of course, if it's not in that, you know, alignment, then a lot
of different other things can occur like nerves or not.
So, yeah.
Okay.
So your spine went into a curve, like kind of like an S.
Yes, that is crazy.
So your spine's gone into an S from getting braces.
Did, what did you do about the braces?
Did you keep your braces?
I couldn't stop because I wanted my, you know, I wanted that as I had them, I was
like, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to just, you know, get it, I get through
that process and I've got to just get, do it and get it done, but I had to take
other measurements for it to, to, to cope right away with that spine.
So, uh, a little bit weird, but.
Well, what did you, what did you do?
What was the process?
Obviously you went through quite the system there of people saying, no,
there's nothing wrong here or what was that?
What was that process like with going and seeing doctors and trying to figure
out, because you would, what was the symptoms of it for you?
You got like pain in your legs and that took you out of the game.
I mean, I could tell that my body was working more, so I really had a lot of
fatigue in general, which I couldn't really explain.
And, um, I literally had a lot of water in my legs, like, you know, in the, in
the down part and, uh, the strain that you have on the side that actually
really hurt a lot, which he said that that's kind of aligned with the, you
know, the spine, I mean, there's so much line, right?
Like sometimes when you have pain in your hip, it comes totally from a
different part of your ear, of your.
body. But that's kind of he said, that's what's causing it.
And, you know, so yeah, that stuff. And then I literally had
to go to shoe specialist to get that done.
Okay, so you went from doctors to sports specialists, and then
they said the remedy for the braces is shoes.
Yeah, shoe specialist. Yep. Because this is bizarre, right?
This is a bizarre scenario. Yeah.
It totally is. But that's why I say like, if you if you know,
there's something that you're dealing with, you can go to
doctors that, you know, practice the regular medicine kind of
type of way. But often, that's just going to get you regular
results. And I needed literally a breakthrough for that. And I
felt like God has put these people, especially this one
doctor that knew about this, that had this experience before
with another athlete, that he could say, actually, I have a
shoe specialist that you have to go and see. Because, you know,
otherwise, I would have not known how to really deal with
this.
Well, if you haven't figured that out, I mean, you could have
a curved spine to this day and not be able to really just not
be able to what, if you hadn't dealt with that, what would be
the end result? You know, like with scoliosis, what would that
do to a person?
I mean, they said there's a high risk that you know, you can do,
of course, especially the sports and the intensity that you do,
because I jumped I you know, that like, there's just so much
that you do, that that requires your spine, you know, I had a
friend in my sports club, she actually had an operation with
her back in her back, and she had like, screws in her back
because of a surgery. And you know, she was always that
counterpart where I said, yeah, maybe that's something I have to
get because they have to stabilize my spine, right. And
that's sometimes what they do to put these screws in your spine,
so that it stays stable again. And I saw her and her, I would
say, just reduction in quality of life, right, that she
couldn't do go all in with things and always had to pay
attention of, you know, not doing too much. Yeah. And so
yeah. Oh, wow. All right. So here we are, you've had, you go
to the shoe specialist. Now, how old are you in all this is
happening? I was probably like 15. That was back, we'll see
that was back in 2008. So 2007 was my highest year. And then
2008, everything just dropped. So that's when I had to 2008,
2009. Okay, how old are you guys right now?
31 and 28.
31 and 28. Oh, nice. And yeah, right. So at 15, you've built
your identity around sports, and all of a sudden, your your
your whole identity gets ripped out. How are you feeling in
that process? As you've lost, you know, you've lost track and
field, which is your identities trap, you're wound into that
you're going through this roller coaster have not been able to
figure out what's even wrong. And you're going through a lot
of physical pain as well. Where did you get to kind of in your
mind and your emotions and your heart? Where were you? Where
were you at?
Basically, if you don't have any other foundation built, it
definitely ripped me apart in terms of just knowing who I am.
I had a identity. Yeah, I had an identity crisis, not knowing who
am I actually without sports, like I had to ask that question,
who am I without track and field. And I was super insecure.
So I didn't have any pillar to hold on to that, you know, it
was just giving me that safety, of course, family and friends,
they would just support me in that. And that was important in
those moments to have a support system. But what really crushed
me was not only like you have these expectations from
yourself. And then when I went back to training, just to kind
of, you know, try to start again with the healing process
and trying to just do some flex and gymnastics and what you
know, would get me back. First of all, with that, I had people
from my sports club that came to me and said, Oh, Sabrina, it's
nice to see you. But oh, you gained a lot of weight. Because
through from 100% to 0%, I think my body, my whole metabolism,
everything just got messed up. I got stressed out, right? Like, I
had issues of intolerances, inflammations, all this with the
stress that you create in your body. And I think that's
totally I mean, that's, that's cortisol. Yeah. And that's going
to create you know, cortisol is a chemical when you have stress
that stress hormone cortisol, it overloads the adrenals as well.
So your adrenals get overloaded. And it starts definitely a great
way to store belly belly fat.
So you're kind of getting inflamed and having reactions to food now, are you saying intolerances?
What was happening there?
So basically the lactose fructose, like I had to do those tests.
I had this gastritis kind of thing where it was just totally sensitive to anything.
And one thing I really want to share that I think is also important, especially like
I started with the birth control and that time too, which was totally the wrong time.
But I was told that that might be helpful.
But that again, also created because my body was not in alignment at all.
Now you're putting these hormones into your body too.
So that's why like hormonal balance, especially if your body's not in balance, it just creates
that extra weight on especially like women and I struggled with that as well a lot back
then.
So yeah, basically I gained a bad relationship with food because I couldn't, I lost trust
in my body because I felt like my body was kind of, how do you say it?
I was just disappointed.
I was like, how can my body do this?
You know, you should perform for me.
And you know, like I just was trying to blame anything about me in that moment to just kind
of feel better and feed my ego.
So yeah, it was a bad, a bad time for me to.
So what did your, what did your bad relationship with food look like?
I mean, this is kind of all getting hectic in your life.
Yeah.
Daniel's also smiling.
He had to.
I just heard the other day.
I mean, it was like a long time.
I didn't know about this story.
You know, I was like, wow, this is crazy.
This is really crazy.
It was a big part.
I didn't know about Sabrina.
Basically, I was, you know, whenever I would eat carbs and knew something that would get
me fat, so to speak, anything like I would just scream and really just cry because of
the frustration it would create in me.
And I remember we went to the US one time to visit our family over there.
And I mean, I was in the US, the food culture.
If you've been in the US, you know how it is.
So we went to a restaurant called Olive Garden and they serve this bread and the soup and
everything prior before you even enjoy your meal, literally.
So I was eating that bread and I think I ordered I ordered something different, like noodles
or something.
But one moment that shaped me was just to say I was crying and frustrated because I
had in my mind all these like people around me, like I don't want to end up like them,
like I'm already frustrated.
So I was already full by eating bread.
And you know, then I was just crying because I was, you know, like I just had no consciousness.
And it was just for me, what is going on?
Like I couldn't eat like burgers.
It would just totally I would get this like a magnet, right?
Like, whoa, like I don't even want to do anything.
I don't want to even eat anything, even though I ordered something.
I couldn't control myself in those moments of eating food because I thought whatever
I eat now, it's just going to, you know, make me fatter and, you know, it's not going to
serve me at all.
And my body's messed up anyway.
So I've kind of had a stage where I gave up on my body and gave up on your body.
And so did you start eating a whole bunch then anyway, or what did you do?
Did you just give up and just start eating whatever you wanted or did you stay in that
place of turmoil?
Yeah. So basically, first it was, you know, I ate a lot because of frustration and then
I had totally the opposite, right?
Like totally went into the cycle of not eating a lot and kind of being totally, you know,
like I don't want to eat.
This is not going to be good.
And with all the intolerances, I don't want to eat anyways, right?
Because if you know that you can feel pain in the next, you know, if you just eat one
bite and you have that, especially gastritis and all that, you just, you know, and then
I said, I screw it up.
Like, I don't want to even do anything.
So it was this, you know, extreme from one extreme to the other.
So and then and then at what point in that journey did you then start to go, OK, right.
Let me try and start exercising again.
Let me try and start building back.
And what was happening with your spine through that?
So while I was kind of going through all that, I was in therapy with a specialist like
where you get all the difference, you know, salts and measurements for your foot.
And so he was, you know, doing that.
And I was trying them out and like training a little bit.
And so this was going on parallel.
And then with the food, I started to say, Sabrina, like because I was tired of being
tired. Right. You have sometimes those moments where it's just like I had to say,
Sabrina, how how long do you still want to really be miserable or do you really want
to get back on track and kind of follow your dreams and follow how you felt before and
get back as soon as possible?
And then there was this moment where I just said, OK, I have to just do something
right now. And then I said, OK, what do I have in my hands?
What can I do? What is right?
Like I have the therapy right now.
I can do what he said is I can go running and jock.
That's how it started.
Like he said, you can start walking and, you know, doing a little bit of jogging
and running and besides gymnastics and kind of the, the low pace training,
uh, to get your body stabilized.
And so, uh, besides that, I was, I think having like, I don't know how
many newsletters that I tried, you know, like to just get wisdom from the
outside, because I didn't know the wisdom was actually inside of me, but I
was looking all on the outside, all these different newsletters, trying
different concepts, different shapes for body weight lost in whatever.
Like I just tried it all in order to just get a little bit ahead, um, in my
journey, but, um, that was basically what I tried out besides the, yeah.
Um, coaching that I had there to get back on, Hey, what can I do in terms of my
diet?
And that's when I first gained a little bit more knowledge of, Hey, what's, you
know, some basic principles and rhythms that I can, can integrate.
And that's what I learned.
Um, some principles then.
So talk to me a little bit as well.
Like I know that you're, you're in this, you're still young.
This is the journey of a young lady, really.
And so talking to a couple of things that really interested in, uh, how did
you deal with critics?
Like what were critics saying?
Cause you said you had a few people saying, Oh, you put on a bit of weight.
Like what, how did you deal with the critics as you were trying to make a
comeback?
So there you are, you've been blindsided.
You've had something terrible happen.
You're doing your very best trying to trying so hard.
And then you just feel like you're getting kind of slapped in the face.
Like what was, what was happening in that process?
Um, nothing was like before, right?
Like everybody kind of, when you had that success, everybody was kind of looking up
to you, you, you know, they would see you in the newspaper and, you know, it was
like kind of cheering, um, on you.
And whenever I didn't perform, right.
And, um, that was also causing a major problem later on that I needed to perform
in order to be loved and accept it.
And it's still something that I'm still have to deal with today
to really get rid of it.
Yeah.
Um, but it was in that moment when he said, Oh, Sabrina, you got really fat.
I just, I just, I didn't know what to like, I couldn't say anything.
Like I just, nothing would come out.
I would just shove it all in.
Right.
And just would keep that frustration.
And I think that was a part that all these different things people would say at my
club, because of course, besides that, I would see all the other girls still
crushing it, right.
And I was happy for them, but of course, in that moment, it's that instant
comparison and that idealistic versus realistic, right.
That's, that's what I want, but here I am, right.
Trying to figure out still where I am in my journey.
And it was hard because, um, yeah, I would, I would cry.
A lot of times have bad moods and would fall into literally depressed depression
because I didn't know what to do, um, in those times.
And even if I wanted to go back, so I would often train even, you know, in
nature and just go running and try to get my mind free instead of going to the
training center.
Yeah.
And that's, um, what that brings up a thing that we talk about a lot and we
talk about it in the daily hard things challenge that we do is that comparison
is the thief of joy.
Yeah.
There is gratitude is a multiplier.
And if you get stuck in that rut of comparison and the culture around us
is a culture of comparison.
You know, like if you look at the magazines now, I think, I think this
is the, here's a balance here, right?
There's a real balance because you're going to see, sometimes you're going to
see people who are doing way better than you are in an area where you're trying
to grow.
And if you get caught in that place of comparison in your current comparison
will become a thief of joy and it will rob your joy as opposed to having a
mindset of celebration and gratitude for where you're at right now, which will
actually, you know, like gratitude will multiply your joy and comparison will
steal it.
So that's a real big deal in the process of growth and transformation for any of
us.
And when you're in a place where you've been blindsided, you've been taken out,
you've lost a dream, uh, and you're on a comeback, you know, the, the, that
place of being in a comeback, you so it's in your face so much.
Cause you know, even not just where the other people are, but the phantom of
your own past knowing, oh, this is where I was.
And then the injury comes and you're like, ah, you lose all your gains and
you're like, no.
So, um, so what started turning it around for you, Sabrina, where you
started kind of coming back.
So basically one.
that I said is okay what can I what can I do right so I could do running so I was just literally
writing down hey what can I do right now to just get better and to to do this so yes and
first of all just acknowledge where I am right like I had to accept the bitterness that I felt
yeah and kind of you know just take it and said okay Sabrina you're tired because you're tired
like and you want to change that so it's okay if you're tired and I think that's like the grace
with myself because back then I didn't have a relationship with the Lord yet yeah really like
I only established when we really came into the U.S. but it was just okay I got this so I can do
running so I would do like how often do I want to do running and you know during the week how long
so I was kind of just making out a plan of of trying you know going step by step and seeing
first of that word if it was too much I had to go back down but at least you know that way you can
kind of see what is a good rhythm for me to go running then also I just said okay what do I need
to do to to get you know better in shape with my diet so portion control was a big thing for me
then also just knowing okay you know certain like just the job like drop the carbs and and you know
take on the
let's see are you up there you go again yeah sorry I lost you for a second yeah just for a second
so like some basic principles of diet especially for my gut health because I knew my gut health
was just the biggest part of this and I learned that 70 to 80 percent of our immune system kind
of is in our gut like you know and so when I understood that knowledge I could say okay what
can I do to improve my gut as well so you know fibers and doing all these different things and
one major thing I got to know that helped me a lot because of stillness right like there's so
much going on was fasting like the rhythm of fasting I just heard and read an article about
it and it just got me so curious and since then like I've tried this out for five days like literally
the whole complete thing and that just also just completely shifted everything because you just
keep all the noise out and you just focus on you know one thing and that helped me so much to just
keep focused and to just you know like concentrate on that and it helped so much to heal um spiritually
my mind my body so that was a gift and um you know so um that was part of having yeah okay so
that's awesome you're starting to make a comeback you know like you've got and I love that that you
and this is something I think that can be a real takeaway for everyone here too is just making a
plan like writing it down this is the difference to me is you know being proactive versus being
reactive like a reactive person is just going to go ah and they'll spin out of control you can see
that you kind of got blindsided you got hit but such a great move as a young lady even kind of
in as you're spinning you manage to kind of do some really genius moves there which was actually
hang on a minute uh let me make a small plan of some achievable things now that is that's some
genius there okay and so as you stuck to that it started changing things up when did you first
start getting into the space of mountain running and realize you had a new dream yeah so basically
first I had no running like because I was running and running and running I really got you know good
at it and so I just got like well running is so cool like and I'm actually you know seeing success
again so that was helpful for me to to kind of you know just get that motivation again I feel
like this is working and um like I was having one uh race with my dad together and I remember like
because I was always like third place second place in the end and then that race I was you know
finally at first place again and I was running with my dad and this was such a defining moment
for me because at that moment when I was standing on that podest it was just like hey you know what
I think I think I made it like I think I'm kind of you know it's a different it's again it's a
different mountain it's a different you know it's not my old track and field but I feel like he's
just standing here it's a way of just saying hey I think my physical you know like health is back
and you know I can do this and so um mountain running started when we came literally to the
U.S. because in Germany there was no such thing as mountain running so when we moved to 2017
that's when we kind of really discovered all the national parks and state parks and ran running on
the weekends and so of course you start with the slower mountains and parks and stuff like that but
then you know when you have a husband that kind of challenges you and it's kind of crazy in those
regards and you just simply trust him one of a sudden you're standing in front of a mountain
and have no other choices to run this mountain and that's how it started. That's so cool.
So Daniel, Daniel you
you know, you got blindsided in a sense as well.
Your injury took you out of soccer.
You're like, man, what am I gonna, what am I gonna do?
And so you pivoted as well.
You found, when did you start running?
What happened for you to start getting into running?
Actually, during the time when I was already struggling
with soccer, I started to run a little bit
like really small competitions in Germany
where we just dressed up and it was like a local city run.
And I was actually not bad at it.
So it was a lot of fun.
So, but it was for me, like just running,
it was a little bit too boring to be honest.
So, and at the same time, I, yeah,
when I actually had to stop, it was good for me
because my full-time job, I was traveling a lot
through the countries.
And often I have time on a Sunday
where I don't have to work.
So I was looking for ways to enjoy myself.
And that was where I really recognized
to go alone in the mountains, just for yourself,
sometimes with podcasts on your ears.
And then there was something in it.
You mean, sometimes it's like when you,
when you don't know that it is a passion,
but you start it and you feel good afterwards
and you do it again.
And you look so, the whole week,
I can have so much stress the whole week.
But at the end of the week,
I'm so happy to go to my happy place in the nature.
And I feel always great afterwards.
And then it starts to, you recognize, you're aware of it.
Oh yeah, that starts to be a passion.
And then sometimes it's like,
when you see the high mountain,
when you be like, oh, it's challenging,
you get a little bit fearful, you know?
It's like, oh, I want to accomplish that.
And that is always also like,
just reaching this kind of goal, it's so rewarding.
But it's, I feel like it's also sometimes really
with similar goals we have in our life.
I mean, I compare it often that we have on the top,
this beautiful view,
and we want to get to the top to see this view.
And it's often with our health,
with our any kind of goals in our business or something
that we, for example, want to lose 20 pounds
or 20 kilograms, for example.
And so many people really miss the beauty of the journey.
We always just see the goal.
So like the mountain, the top of the mountain.
And sometimes we just start running so fast.
We start running so fast, but you are exhausted.
You're so exhausted.
And sometimes we just need to stop
because we are not in a hurry.
We can take our time.
That's also, we had the day in the Smoky Mountains
where we went up the highest mountain
in the Smoky Mountains.
We came across so many beautiful people.
We could, we can have-
We stopped talking.
Yeah, we stopped from talking with them.
Yeah, it was just amazing.
And they were asking for ways,
how can we get up?
How far is it?
You are helping each other.
You find people with similar goals, similar ways.
The same with our goals,
when we want to lose weight, for example.
We need sometimes really to stop, go our own way,
find people who we can grab, go with them together,
have the right environment.
And that was something what helped me really to understand
that it is our pace, step-by-step, and enjoy the journey.
Come on.
And sometimes also look back how far you've come
because that was in the end my key.
It's like, you know what?
Even though it was just be a little progress
because it was something I couldn't control,
but looking at what progress already made,
how, you know, what runs already did,
what steps already just took in order
to be able to get better.
And that was what fueled my confidence just to keep going.
But I didn't learn that.
I didn't learn to look back and see how far we've come.
And that's what we learned with mountain running.
Look already how far you've come.
Already look at the view, how hard you are, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's genius because that's this whole dynamic
of celebration and gratitude.
And you've got to celebrate the real little things.
You know, like you want to be grateful
about the real little things,
celebrate the little milestones in the journey.
And just what you're sharing there
just reminds me of something that, you know,
came up in our last session with Joseph,
which is he said that your desire,
sorry, your discipline reveals your desire.
And I want to kind of connect this now
with the rhythm of life that you have now on a daily.
So you have this, I mean,
it's not that many people that you meet
who are mountain running athletes.
They're like, sweet, let's go and run a mountain.
There's not that many people statistically that do that.
So, you know, in the weekends,
you guys love to go and run a mountain,
do something amazing, which is beautiful.
But here's where your discipline reveals your desire.
And that's where I would love to get into you guys.
So what's the rhythm?
them because you have to create some type of daily rhythm that's going to give you the fuel that's
going to give you the stamina the endurance you know like the fitness level to be able to actually
go okay cool well i want to go run a mountain now and i'm just going to go so what's the rhythm for
you guys i think this is so key in the process of divine health whatever transformation you want to
make uh wherever you want to grow in your health whatever stage you're you're going through or
you know like there has to be a rhythm so what's the rhythm that you guys have been creating in
your lives i'll let him speak because he's a master at that literally i've learned so much
from him so i give him the credit for it no i think i think it's basically you you mentioned
that already it's step by step it's with really every goal what you said i mean i'm not personally
not a big fan of new year's resolutions because often we just take so much what we really want
to accomplish and we like i said we start running we start running we get exhausted and then we turn
around yeah that's something that we've been really hitting on in this journey as well as that
when we when we make change when we're going after change and transformation we want to ensure that
we start with a pace that's sustainable so we're more i and i want to um you know for you guys who
are watching as well why don't you just share your thoughts you know like with incremental
um and sustainable change you know like what are you uh here's my thought here is like
what's a small step that you guys want to achieve you know what's a small goal that you have that's
like just a micro goal an incremental goal what's something tiny that you could do that's going to
be sustainable on a daily or a weekly basis so that'd be cool to hear from you guys so just drop
in there what are some small goals that you guys have so some small pioneer actions that are going
to be sustainable um sweet so yeah if you just jump back in and talk to us again what yeah what i'm
really keen to hear as well as what does it look like for you monday tuesday wednesday thursday
friday what's the rhythm that you've created yeah so actually for me personally um after really i
wake up i pray and then i already go to the gym and i do my workout so that's something what i
really created after a longer time to be honest um because i was always like normally working out
in the afternoon or running or playing soccer but then i figured out i don't have so much time
especially while traveling all right much i'm with you okay i got a juicy question for you
um what time do you set your alarm then if you want to pray and then go to the gym and then start
the day when are you setting your alarm so 5 15 5 15 cool that's a great rhythm that's a great
rhythm you're gonna hear so many people you know like that morning and i'll just chuck this out
there to our people like it's quite possible for you that an earlier alarm could be the the action
that you need to take that could completely revolutionize your life you know if you're used
to getting up at eight of getting up out of bed at eight if you got up at five and you had three
hours to pray and work out you could completely revolutionize your world now that might seem really
drastic right but when we talk about incremental and sustainable if you're like whoa i get out of
bed at eight five o'clock that's crazy well why don't you start with 7 45 but this is a whole
thing about incremental sustainable change if you're used to getting out of bed at eight then
starting at five might just be too crazy you start at 7 45 because you want incremental sustainable
a practice becomes a habit becomes a reflex becomes a lifestyle becomes a state of being
so that's a journey that you're going to take so you're up 5 15 pray hit the gym you're how long
are you spending moving your body and what type of exercise do you do so normally i when i'm back
in at home in south carolina it's wrong around one hour and then i drive directly to work but
now here i created also here like a new habit just in the beginning of the year because i want to
keep it even shorter on 30 minutes so now i just do 30 minutes but even more efficient
so even more effective what normally takes one hour i put into 30 minutes because afterwards i
can take a cold shower this is also one of my rhythms because cold shower is especially for
immune system waking up it's just amazing guys try it out i've been doing i've been doing the
cold showers cold showers lately as well i i have to tell them because the other day sabrina also
said it for this week actually also as a goal intention to have cold showers and i was just
here on my couch and i just heard as well it feels good it feels good
the funny thing about cold showers here is that we live at the beach and it's summer
and the water's not actually that cold whereas when we used to live in the mountains and you do
a cold shower in the mountains in the winter versus a cold shower at the beach in the summer
it's like you're getting the cold shower you're like oh but whereas down there you feel like you
know like you've been hit by a train it's a big difference it's a big difference for sure
Sabrina yeah yeah no go ahead oh so no so that's cool so you're spending like just a half an hour
or so a day moving your body and what type of stuff are you doing are you doing cardio what
what are you yeah it's like it's like what we call imam or tabata oh yeah yeah yeah like that
kind of hits training which is chipper and this is something what i also really love about it
doesn't matter which state you are if you are a busy mom if you are also traveling like me and
you have to work a lot you do you find always time at least 30 minutes to do or even less like
sometimes 20 minutes is enough to do a quick good workout yeah absolutely hard into the into the day
personally so um for if you wondered what an imam is it stands for every minute on the minute
right boom every minute on the minute um yeah sweet okay so Sabrina what's kind of the rhythm
that you've created for you that the rhythm enables the lifestyle so every day is different
i try to keep like the same kind of um like series but uh sometimes you know like especially here
we're traveling like i wake up in the morning sometimes we do the workout together so i wake
up with him we go to the gym together but sometimes i just say no i'm gonna do yoga later
so what i always start with is just you know really like got me time even if it's just five
minutes when we run out but like just have that little quick connection for the day and that
acknowledgement and gratitude and then you know i often just do if i have time like i do a journal
like i do a bible study um and i have an app for that so just to really get me consumed with with
you know just um good you know like portion of god and then um i just go so go to the gym for
example do workouts there uh sometimes again we do this together where i have my own workout
um where i do this um or i have tabata in the morning so on like tuesdays and thursdays i do
like free tabata classes um because it helped us so much in the pandemic with family in germany
so you know again i also work out now you've got a facebook group where you do tabata right which
is just like it's kind of a workout system is that an open invite there or how does that work
so everybody yeah i just created this for free because uh we did this with our family and so i
just said you know what this is so cool and i felt like tabata was not very known and a lot of
people really i talked to just don't know what it is but it is also my client what's tabata
so basically 40 minute workout we have eight different exercises like air squats or you know
push-ups or you know all completely just no equipment just you're mad just you and you can
do it everywhere and um simply have eight different exercises which you do 20 seconds work 10 seconds
break and then you know you move on to the next um you know so you do this eight times for example
air squats yeah you know 20 seconds work 10 seconds break and then again 20 seconds work 10 seconds
break eight times and then you switch to the next yeah push-ups and then you do that and you know
it's like 40 minutes you know you're gonna be done if you only have 30 minutes then just do
six exercises but you're also done and you have to work out so i love to not think when i work out
and just crush it and do it and don't even you know yeah very cool yeah cool well hey guys we're
gonna um we're gonna bring it to a wrap up but uh what i'll do is if anyone's looking for a group
to join to get some ideas on workouts that they want to do if they want to check out tabata and
check out jumping on board with that i'll send the link out um to the crew and if anyone wants
to jump on board with your tabata that will be awesome and uh then you had one other thing that
you were keen to share with everyone as well um yeah so basically because we're talking about
rhythms and to be honest for me everything in my life especially my comeback was about rhythms
and i discovered like a five audio series on sacred rhythms it's especially like also just
you know getting distractions out focus and then you know having that connection with god i guess
just a beautiful series that got me just so much thinking and it's you know applicable for all areas
of your life of relationship of health of you know spirit but it's just been such a good help
and i've been sharing it with friends and family and um so it's not you know i don't take the
credit for it it's just something that has really helped me on my journey and helped me learn about
sacred rhythms on a fundamental basis and so um you know i just you know whoever is open to just
hear something during their car during you know ride like i just um wanted to to
share that as a value. That's great. Well, I'll, I'll grab those things from you guys,
and I'll put them in the email. And I've also got a handout from Professor Robin to send out to
everyone from her presentation yesterday. So I'll be sending out some handouts to everyone,
which is going to be really good stuff. And as we come to a close, I'm just gonna get I just love to
hear from everyone quickly. I love to hear just as a last thing, what is something that you would
like to make as you know, just a small goal? What's a small goal that you want to see that
you're like, yeah, I want to make I want to make a rhythm shift in my life. So just drop in the
comments what something small, something sustainable that you want to make as a rhythm
shift. Now think about it like this from the Divine Health Summit, you might pick up a couple
of things here that enable you to make a two degree shift. But if you make a sustainable two degree
shift, because of what you've learned in the summit, you know, over time, that two degree
shift, it makes a huge impact, you know, it can stay with you for your entire life, and cause
a significant transformation over time. Or you might end up finding, man, I actually found
something that enabled me to make a 15 degree shift you've made, and it's massive transformation.
But that's what I'd love to hear from you is just drop in the comments something that sounds like
an achievable incremental action that you can take that will produce change. So
I'm all missing some cool things here. And communion every morning, cool stuff dropping
in there like the sound of that, guys. So Daniel and Sabrina, it has been an absolute honor and
delight to be with you to hear your story. And so, so delighted, you know, to see you come back
out of a place that was a real challenge. And then also, I just love as well how for you,
you've created a rhythm that and that rhythm enables you to live some pretty amazing dreams.
Yes, thank you so much, Benji. Really, really enjoyed it.
Cool. Well, again, lots of love to you. I think we should finish off just very, very quickly.
I'm going to share my screen again. And very quickly, what we're going to do is we're going
to finish off, I'm just going to watch this one more time. Here's Colorado, here's these guys,
and it's cool just to appreciate this knowing how much their backstory is and what their journey
has been to be able to come to this point. So let's hit it one more time in the mountains.
So
nice. Love it. Well, thank you both so much. I'm excited to see you.
More of the journey going forward and lots of love to you both. And we'll see around. And everyone,
I'll send out the links to you for the info on Sacred Rhythms. And also, if you want to jump in
with the jibada class and learn a little bit about that in the Facebook group, it'll be fun too. So
bless you and we'll catch you real soon. Bye.
Bye. Oh, actually, just before I wrap it up, I'll be live in just under two hours with Professor
Robin and Jana for our very last session for the summit. And thanks everyone for jumping
on board. Bless you. Bye-bye.