WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.640 Hi guys and welcome to another episode of Truth Talk with Wendy. Today we have a 2 00:00:05.640 --> 00:00:11.080 couple different guests that we are bringing on. The first is my friend Kim 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:17.240 Westfall, the founder of Uncaged, which is an anti-sex trafficking and human 4 00:00:17.240 --> 00:00:23.920 trafficking ministry. We are so excited to have her and Kim is an entrepreneur 5 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:28.480 and leader with nearly 30 years of experience leading and scaling 6 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:37.080 successful for-profit and non-profit organizations. From 2006 to 2016 she 7 00:00:37.080 --> 00:00:40.880 served as the Executive Vice President of Client Services and Consulting for 8 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:45.160 Westfall Gold, which is a major donor fundraising consultancy that's helped 9 00:00:45.160 --> 00:00:50.640 leading faith-based organizations raise more than 1 billion, yes I said billion 10 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:56.760 with a B, dollars to fuel transformation worldwide. Kim also served as U.S. 11 00:00:56.760 --> 00:01:01.280 Executive Director of the Watato Child Care Ministries, which is an 12 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:05.800 organization that provides holistic care to vulnerable women and children in 13 00:01:05.800 --> 00:01:11.240 purpose-built village settings across Africa. In 2018, after being haunted by a 14 00:01:11.240 --> 00:01:16.320 vision of children in cages, Kim launched Uncaged, an anti-human 15 00:01:16.320 --> 00:01:20.480 trafficking nonprofit that exists to unlock the transformation of girls and 16 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:26.640 young women rescued from the global sex trade. Uncaged is currently launching 17 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:32.440 its first-ever sanctuary village in Romania where survivors will live 18 00:01:32.440 --> 00:01:37.480 in peace and safety with access to trauma-informed therapies, spiritual care, 19 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:43.240 medical attention, education, and vocational training. Uncaged is poised to 20 00:01:43.240 --> 00:01:47.640 make a significant contribution to the war on human trafficking by creating a 21 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:52.440 holistic, globally scalable framework to bring healing and restoration to those 22 00:01:52.440 --> 00:02:00.040 trapped in trafficking. I am so excited to welcome my friend Kim Westfall. 23 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:27.280 Hi Kim, how are you? I'm great. I am so glad we are finally here. This has been a 24 00:02:27.440 --> 00:02:33.240 long time coming, hasn't it? It sure has. Great to see you. I know, it's good to see you too. 25 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:38.080 If we had more time, which would take probably hours, I would tell the whole 26 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:44.680 world the crazy God story of how we got together and how my friend that was at 27 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:51.120 the Maui Airport found you and had no idea that you knew my brother and I had 28 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:56.920 no idea and how just the whole thing happened and how similar our stories are 29 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:04.280 and how unbelievably similar our interests in ministry are and so here we 30 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:10.160 are talking about a subject that I know is near and dear to both of our hearts 31 00:03:10.160 --> 00:03:16.840 and you know but for the grace of God I would be coming to live in your home one 32 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:23.360 day you know so God is just a good God and I'm so glad that he brought you to 33 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:37.760 me. I know I know I know I think about how good he is and how you know it's the 34 00:03:37.760 --> 00:03:43.920 smallest little details you know he he is so involved in our life and and just 35 00:03:43.920 --> 00:03:48.360 how exciting it is that we are finally here at this moment so I want to tell 36 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:52.520 people a little bit or I want you to tell people a little bit how in the 37 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:59.120 world did you get involved in the anti-human trafficking effort? It's a 38 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:05.560 great story talk about weird things that God does really pay attention when those 39 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:09.880 strange things start happening you do things are coming good things to follow 40 00:04:09.880 --> 00:04:15.320 so I'm a pastor's kid I'm a missionaries kid and definitely raised with the 41 00:04:15.320 --> 00:04:18.680 perception that we're here on the planet to do more than just make money in 42 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:23.320 which it's right we have a purpose and I'll try to condense the story a little 43 00:04:23.320 --> 00:04:28.640 bit but it got my my start with nonprofit work back in my early 30s I 44 00:04:28.640 --> 00:04:33.800 worked with a beautiful organization called Watoto Child Care Ministries I'm 45 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:37.920 telling you that because it's so informs what we're doing with Unpaged today but 46 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:42.640 we basically cared for about 3,000 Ugandan orphans and the format was 47 00:04:42.640 --> 00:04:47.560 incredible it wasn't an institutional format it was a family format so we 48 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:51.040 would rescue the most desperate children sometimes we even find them on 49 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:55.080 garbage dumps with their hands and feet tied behind their backs left as human 50 00:04:55.080 --> 00:04:59.640 refuse we'd pick them up we'd dust them off and we'd place them in homes in 51 00:04:59.640 --> 00:05:02.080 families 52 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:07.000 One house mother and 8 adopted children, we would build them a home, build 8 homes in a circle, 53 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:12.000 then we'd drop those circles of homes into what we call the children's village. 54 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:17.000 Just a beautiful setting, we'd drop in a school, a medical center, a church, a community center, 55 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.000 and surround the whole thing with sustainable farming. 56 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.000 And we would see these kids go from completely dead in the ice, malnourished, 57 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:30.000 and just completely depressed, to loving life, learning, loving, jumping. 58 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:34.000 I am now getting Facebook requests from some of those kids saying, 59 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:40.000 Do you remember me? Now I'm a doctor, I'm a lawyer, I'm a nurse, I have a family of my own. 60 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.000 And back then we used to say, what an incredible model. 61 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.000 This would work anywhere in the world. 62 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:52.000 So fast forward, I moved on, met and married my husband Bob back in 2007, 63 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:58.000 and helped him build a company that serves Christian and faith-based and non-faith-based nonprofits, 64 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.000 helps them tell their story and raise funds. 65 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:08.000 And just had an incredible opportunity to sort of look under the hood of hundreds of nonprofit organizations. 66 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.000 And we saw the good, the bad, the ugly, the really ugly. 67 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.000 We figured out how to do it, how not to do it. 68 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.000 So just loads of experience. 69 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:21.000 During that 10-year period with his company, I had a series of health issues. 70 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.000 I had three back surgeries in three years. 71 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.000 It wasn't fun. It was about a five-year period. 72 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.000 And I managed to kind of work throughout those surgeries. 73 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:35.000 But at the end of it, came out just completely exhausted. 74 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:41.000 Had a little bit of a, I guess, it wasn't a breakdown, but it was just like I came to the end of myself. 75 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:45.000 My brain wouldn't work anymore and had to walk away from the company, which was really hard. 76 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.000 So I thought, well, I'll retire. 77 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:51.000 I'll sit on the dock and drink great wine for the rest of my life. 78 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.000 That would be fine. 79 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.000 Right. Sounds great, actually. 80 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.000 It did for six months anyways. 81 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.000 And then I thought, oh, my gosh, I'm not done yet. 82 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.000 God is not done with me yet. 83 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:05.000 And I started praying a very simple prayer. 84 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.000 The prayer was, God, give me something great to do for you. 85 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.000 And I had prayed that prayer at one other point in my life. 86 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.000 And that was when Watoto, the organization in Uganda, was dropped into my life. 87 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.000 And so I thought, well, I'll try it again. 88 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.000 So I prayed for about three months. 89 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.000 And this is where the story gets really strange, Wendy. 90 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:29.000 I know you'll be okay with it, but just warning your listeners, it gets a little wild. 91 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.000 So I was at home in Georgia one day out doing errands. 92 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.000 I had a long laundry list of errands to do that day. 93 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:42.000 And I'm trucking down the road thinking I'm going to accomplish all those in one fell swoop. 94 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:47.000 And even after growing up in the church, I've been in the church for 53 years, 95 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.000 I'm not one of those people that would ever have heard the voice of God. 96 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.000 But this is as close as I've gotten. 97 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:59.000 I had this little prompt in my spirit, and it said something really strange to me. 98 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:02.000 He said, Kim, you should go get a massage today. 99 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.000 Amen. Amen. 100 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.000 Well, I thought, that's ridiculous. 101 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.000 I have this long list of errands to do, and my back doesn't hurt for once, so delete. 102 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.000 And I'm then on my way. 103 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.000 And five minutes later, it hit me again. 104 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.000 Kim, you should go get a massage today. 105 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.000 I said, okay, Lord, it's not the worst idea. I'll take you up on it. 106 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.000 I called my little friend Alina over at the local day spa. 107 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.000 I went there on occasion. 108 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.000 We knew each other, not well, but kind of a kindred spirit connection. 109 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.000 She knew I was a believer. I knew she was a believer. 110 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.000 So I called her and I said, hey, Alina, it's Kim Westfall. 111 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.000 As soon as I said that, she goes, Kim, I cannot believe you're calling me. 112 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.000 I've literally been praying and hoping that you would come in today. 113 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.000 I said, okay, well, do you have a last-minute appointment for me? 114 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.000 She said, sure do. Can you be here in an hour? 115 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:47.000 I said, yep. 116 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:53.000 So I pop in, I walk in, and as soon as she sees me, she just jumps up from behind the desk and goes, 117 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.000 I literally cannot believe you're here. 118 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.000 I've been thinking of you and praying that you would come in, and here you are. 119 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.000 And I said, yep, here I am for my massage. 120 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:07.000 She said, have I ever told you about my friend Karen Rose from Ohio? 121 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.000 I said, no, you haven't. I don't know why you would. 122 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:14.000 She said, well, she's this really neat lady that has the ability to speak into people's lives. 123 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.000 And she's here today. Do you want to talk to her? 124 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.000 And honestly, Wendy, I know you'll understand this. 125 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.000 In my mind, I was going, hell no. This is too weird. 126 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.000 But out of my mouth came, sure. 127 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.000 So she walks me back to this dear little lady, and I sit down in front of her. 128 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.000 I'm trying to make some small talk. She's not having any of it. 129 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.000 She goes right into, I guess, what you'd call a prophetic thing. 130 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:38.000 Right. 131 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.000 She started talking about things in my life that nobody knew. 132 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.000 I knew exactly what she was talking about, situations and woundings and experiences. 133 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.000 She had my attention. 134 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.000 And then she said, Kim, you've always had a heart for the children. 135 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.000 Remember I told you about Watoto? 136 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:57.000 Well, Watoto translated into English means the children. 137 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.000 So she really had my attention. 138 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.000 I said, yeah. 139 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.600 She said, well, right now I see you standing in front of cages, and there's children in 140 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:08.720 those cages, and you're opening the doors, and as they come out and pass by you, they're 141 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:09.720 being killed. 142 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:14.480 She said, I really sense this has to do with human trafficking and child slavery. 143 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:19.560 And at that moment, I was like, oh my goodness, this is the answer to that prayer I've been 144 00:10:19.560 --> 00:10:20.560 praying. 145 00:10:20.560 --> 00:10:22.240 So I listened really, really carefully. 146 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:28.560 She downloaded a lot of information to me that day that I carry with me today, and obviously 147 00:10:28.560 --> 00:10:29.560 got up, went in for my massage. 148 00:10:29.560 --> 00:10:30.560 As you can imagine, my client was racing. 149 00:10:30.560 --> 00:10:36.920 And at the end, I just got up, and I said, OK, God, if there's children in cages in this 150 00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:39.840 world, that's something I need to know about. 151 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.000 And I commit to you right now to do a deep dive on that topic. 152 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.040 Well, that week, something really strange started happening. 153 00:10:46.040 --> 00:10:48.240 The stories just started coming before my eyes. 154 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.920 Walking through an airport, I look above a baggage carousel. 155 00:10:51.920 --> 00:10:55.640 There's a screen, and the ticker across the bottom, it just goes by, it says something 156 00:10:55.640 --> 00:10:56.640 about children in cages. 157 00:10:56.640 --> 00:10:57.640 I'm like, whoa. 158 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.920 Later that week, I'm on a plane, and I look over the shoulder of a guy beside me reading 159 00:11:01.920 --> 00:11:02.920 a newspaper. 160 00:11:02.920 --> 00:11:05.560 He's reading an article, something about children in cages. 161 00:11:05.560 --> 00:11:07.600 I turn on a movie, there's children in cages. 162 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.400 I'm like, OK, God, I get it. 163 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:10.400 It's a real thing. 164 00:11:10.400 --> 00:11:16.240 Now I commit to you to doing a deep dive on the topic of human trafficking and child slavery. 165 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:17.720 I knew very little. 166 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:22.000 So I started reading all the books and watching the documentaries and talking to the experts 167 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.920 that would talk to me and learned all the horrifying facts. 168 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.920 There's 48 million people enslaved in our world right now. 169 00:11:30.920 --> 00:11:33.680 85% of them are women and children. 170 00:11:33.680 --> 00:11:38.480 The average age that somebody enters into human trafficking is just 13, and the average 171 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.960 lifespan at that point is seven years. 172 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:42.280 I was mortified. 173 00:11:42.280 --> 00:11:43.720 I was horrified. 174 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:47.840 And then to hear the common story from the experts that I spoke to, they said, Kim, we 175 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.520 just got back from Guatemala or Southeast Asia. 176 00:11:50.520 --> 00:11:53.800 We rescued 20 kids, only could find housing for 10. 177 00:11:53.800 --> 00:11:56.760 The other 10 went right back into trafficking. 178 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.480 I still get chills thinking about that statement. 179 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.720 I'm like, we could do so much better. 180 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.640 And that's when that Watoto model began to bubble up in my mind. 181 00:12:06.640 --> 00:12:12.520 I thought, hmm, I wonder if that healing village concept would transfer to the human trafficking 182 00:12:12.520 --> 00:12:17.120 population. And it was like the moment I had that thought and started voicing it, talking 183 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:22.160 to different people about it, experts from all over the country started to gather around 184 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:29.240 us. Over 100 people sat around tables with us and defined and formed the infrastructure 185 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:33.400 of our organization and have a model that we call the sanctuary model. 186 00:12:34.040 --> 00:12:39.080 So the sanctuary is just a place of peace and safety where a survivor has access to 187 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.560 everything she needs to heal. 188 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:43.920 It's at our core is trauma therapy and Christ. 189 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:48.600 That's it. And she's going to experience everything from group therapy to individual 190 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.880 therapy, medical attention, spiritual direction. 191 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:57.680 And then we've added some fun things in like equine therapy and art therapy and music 192 00:12:57.680 --> 00:13:02.880 therapy. And the ultimate goal is to create a sustainable future for this survivor so 193 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:08.080 that she can have a vocation and a job and provide for herself and her family. 194 00:13:08.400 --> 00:13:10.680 So that's how I got into it. 195 00:13:10.680 --> 00:13:12.960 Thanks for letting me fire you with my story. 196 00:13:13.160 --> 00:13:14.520 No, no, it's great. 197 00:13:14.520 --> 00:13:18.400 And, and, you know, when you're talking about it, of course, I've, I've seen the 198 00:13:18.400 --> 00:13:23.440 pictures and the videos and everything, and I'm still trying to find an excuse to move 199 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:25.840 in myself because it looks fabulous. 200 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:27.440 You got to come over and just see it. 201 00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:28.920 I know. I know. 202 00:13:28.920 --> 00:13:30.080 And I definitely want to. 203 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:34.240 It's a literal heaven for some people that are in a literal hell right now. 204 00:13:34.280 --> 00:13:35.960 Yeah. Yeah. I cannot imagine. 205 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:41.200 So tell me what about why, why did you pick Romania? 206 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.640 Like, why did you decide with, with everywhere on the planet where human trafficking 207 00:13:46.640 --> 00:13:48.440 is, why Romania? 208 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:49.680 What was, why was that your target? 209 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.000 It's another weird God story. 210 00:13:52.680 --> 00:13:54.080 I didn't pick it. He did. 211 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:59.160 So I had been going, we were holding these things called solution summits where we'd 212 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:03.960 gather the experts and we'd talk about how to create this incredible program. 213 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.800 And as you can imagine, it was a little overwhelming. 214 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:08.520 One day I'm meeting with architects. 215 00:14:08.520 --> 00:14:09.760 I don't speak that language. 216 00:14:09.760 --> 00:14:12.160 The next day I'm with psychologists and traumatologists. 217 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:13.200 I don't speak that language. 218 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:15.200 The next day I called them the assassins. 219 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.160 It was a bunch of FBI and CIA guys. 220 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:18.840 I certainly don't speak that way. 221 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.320 So we're in these meetings and I'm feeling rather overwhelmed. 222 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.200 And at one point I just stood up and I said, you know what? 223 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:26.360 I think it's time for a break. 224 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:27.360 Let's take 20 minutes. 225 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:28.760 We'll meet back here in 20 minutes. 226 00:14:29.040 --> 00:14:31.160 We were out in Southern California at the time. 227 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:32.960 And I just did my favorite thing out there. 228 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.960 I walked to the ocean, turned right, went to the end of the path. 229 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:41.000 So I went and sat on the bench and was basically saying to God, God, 230 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:42.440 you have got the wrong girl. 231 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.760 I have no idea what they're talking about in there. 232 00:14:45.280 --> 00:14:46.120 I'm overwhelmed. 233 00:14:46.160 --> 00:14:47.080 I'm confused. 234 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:50.240 And this is your opportunity to bail on me and find somebody 235 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:51.840 that can actually do the job. 236 00:14:51.920 --> 00:14:52.280 Right. 237 00:14:52.280 --> 00:14:54.920 And I, they're waiting for that lightning bolt moment where he 238 00:14:54.920 --> 00:14:57.600 would let me off the hook and it didn't happen. 239 00:14:58.120 --> 00:14:59.920 Um, so I finally said to myself, well, 240 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.120 time to put on your big girl panties and get back to that meeting and we'll deal with 241 00:15:04.520 --> 00:15:06.280 We'll deal with this later 242 00:15:06.280 --> 00:15:08.280 So a couple weeks prior to 243 00:15:09.160 --> 00:15:15.040 These particular meetings I had started praying and asking God. Well, where do you want this sanctuary? 244 00:15:15.040 --> 00:15:19.600 I know that if I throw a dart at a world map, I've hit trafficking. It's everywhere 245 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:24.260 Yeah, how am I supposed to figure out where you want this sanctuary? I've been praying that daily 246 00:15:24.520 --> 00:15:26.600 So I was on my way back to the meeting 247 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.220 I'm walking down this beautiful garden path and all of a sudden I see a giant aloe leaf 248 00:15:31.220 --> 00:15:38.760 It's probably two foot in length and upon is carved a word and I felt one of those prompts again. That's for you 249 00:15:38.760 --> 00:15:44.040 That's what I felt in my spirit. And the word that was carved on that leaf is Romania and 250 00:15:44.880 --> 00:15:47.320 At that point I was feeling so overwhelmed 251 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:52.280 I didn't even realize that he was trying to tell me where he wanted the first sanctuary. Luckily I had the 252 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:58.080 Smarts to snap a picture and just I kind of just hit it in my heart tucked it away didn't say anything to anybody 253 00:15:58.680 --> 00:16:04.400 Well two days later, I went back into my meetings got through my meetings went home two days later 254 00:16:04.400 --> 00:16:09.520 I'm sitting at my dining room table checking email and I get an email from a friend and she says Kim 255 00:16:09.520 --> 00:16:11.440 I know what you're working on and 256 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:17.080 She was also in the entire human trafficking space and she said for some reason I feel so compelled to 257 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:22.600 Introduce you to a friend of mine. His name is Benny Lou. He runs an organization in 258 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:29.600 Called world teach in Romania, and that's when the siren started going off in my mind. I said Romania the leaf 259 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.600 Oh my goodness. I looked at the picture 260 00:16:32.880 --> 00:16:34.880 Got up and said to my husband 261 00:16:34.880 --> 00:16:37.880 Have you ever heard of an organization called world teach? 262 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.280 He looked at me kind of strange and explained that yeah 263 00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:47.480 That was the international arm of the organization where he got his start 35 years ago in fundraising and 264 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:54.080 Her work with their people in Romania, he said sure did I train them all I said 265 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:59.760 Did you ever know a guy named Benny Lou because Benny he's the rock star world teach. What is going on Kim? 266 00:16:59.760 --> 00:17:02.560 I explained he said you've got to get Benny on the phone 267 00:17:03.040 --> 00:17:09.520 So a couple days later, I called Benny and I start talking with him about the sanctuary model 268 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.599 He starts telling me that he has rescued over 269 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.520 750 people out of trafficking since 270 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:22.319 2004 and then they've had the exact same vision for a sanctuary. They called there's the butterfly center 271 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:28.840 We were calling ours the sanctuary. So we put those together in our first one in Romania. It's called the butterfly sanctuary 272 00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:31.120 so it's 273 00:17:31.120 --> 00:17:33.360 Then we get there and we find out guess what? 274 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:37.840 78% of the survivors found in Europe are Romanian 275 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:43.840 they're the most trafficked population in all of Europe, so God has directed us to a hotspot a hub and 276 00:17:44.800 --> 00:17:46.800 Later led us to a piece of property 277 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:55.400 237 acres with beautiful little cabins already built on it outbuildings for our programmatic elements and even came with 278 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:02.440 12 miniature ponies for our equine therapy program. It's it's paradise. It's incredible. It looks amazing 279 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.600 It looks absolutely amazing. So have you had any? 280 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:13.640 Because I know the whole kovat thing kind of put a dent in everybody traveling pretty much to anywhere 281 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:19.280 Internationally, so do you have any survivor stories you can share with us? 282 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:28.680 Absolutely, I mean since now we're over 800 rescued since Benny started back in 2004 and then we've continued 283 00:18:29.080 --> 00:18:31.080 his work 284 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:36.080 Right now we have 75 survivors tucked away throughout Europe waiting to come home 285 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:41.920 This code that messes delayed all that, but we've got 75 tucked away in various safe homes 286 00:18:42.040 --> 00:18:49.580 We're providing for them medically and legally and working on getting them back just as soon as the COVID travel restrictions lift 287 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:55.320 But yeah, we've got plenty of stories. I think about our first little girl that we rescued 288 00:18:55.360 --> 00:19:00.960 We call her snowy and she was 12 years old when we found her. She had oh, yeah 289 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.480 she had been 290 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:07.880 trafficked for about two years basically sold by her mother for a bottle of wine and 291 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:14.640 Found in yeah another country. We managed to get her home to her home country and 292 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:22.560 She's healing. Well, it's incredible thing that really strikes me with this is the resilience factor 293 00:19:22.560 --> 00:19:28.720 Yeah, this is a little girl that came to us infested with disease and lice and just a mess 294 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:35.360 Totally broken. I mean her eyes were completely dead, but you know what we placed her with a loving family and 295 00:19:36.360 --> 00:19:40.960 Gave her introduction to trauma-informed therapies and two years later 296 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:49.180 She is facing it in school like top-notch grades and just was awarded top pianist in her age category for the entire 297 00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:51.600 country Wow 298 00:19:53.080 --> 00:19:56.840 That's the stuff I like to talk about is the future and the hope for these survivors 299 00:19:56.840 --> 00:19:59.960 We've got women that have started businesses, I mean 300 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:06.000 have families, they rebound in ways that we can't even imagine. I think because 301 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.960 of what they've been through they're actually kind of like superheroes or 302 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:14.520 superhumans. Their capacity is unbelievable. Well I know just you know 303 00:20:14.520 --> 00:20:18.600 of course my story pales in comparison to something like that but I just I know 304 00:20:18.600 --> 00:20:25.880 that when you are put through something so traumatic at such a young age and God 305 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:30.920 walks with you through it and then he brings you out on the other side it's 306 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:37.960 because he has very big things for you to do with that so you know so many of 307 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:43.040 them yeah so many people don't make it out and you know that's why I'm so 308 00:20:43.040 --> 00:20:48.400 thankful that I'm one of the people that did and I'm not gonna be quiet because 309 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.960 it kind of is like a slap in the face to the Lord because he was there with me 310 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.840 even though I didn't think he was you know I mean you certainly don't think 311 00:20:56.840 --> 00:21:00.680 that you know there that God even sees you when you're in the middle of all of 312 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:06.000 that right but when you're able to look back and really see what you know his 313 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:11.440 hand in all of it I mean he has such a purpose and of course they say I think 314 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.080 there's even a song what doesn't kill you makes you stronger right so you know 315 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:19.240 a lot of these girls if they're just given a chance you know they they can be 316 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:24.720 amazing contributions not just to society but you know to other people 317 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:28.880 that are like them that would never have any authority to even speak into their 318 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.200 life if they don't know what they've been through right so those people are 319 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.120 are just so valuable which is why I believe the enemy tries to take him out 320 00:21:37.120 --> 00:21:41.800 so early because he knows what their future you know could could look like 321 00:21:41.800 --> 00:21:45.640 because there's been many that come before them so I'm so excited to hear 322 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:51.600 that you're that your model and your system is working so that and I so am 323 00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:56.280 excited for when all this travel stuff gets removed to go and actually 324 00:21:56.280 --> 00:22:01.880 personally get to experience you know the sanctuary and to meet some of these 325 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:07.320 sweet girls I'm so excited about that yeah how how do people you know because 326 00:22:07.320 --> 00:22:12.080 obviously Romania seems like forever away but it's obviously everywhere you 327 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:15.240 know like you said you get a throw a dart and you'll hit a trafficking 328 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.320 environment right so how do people if they want to get involved in the fight 329 00:22:19.320 --> 00:22:22.400 how do they do that 330 00:22:22.600 --> 00:22:28.200 despite we uncaged and others we need your prayers and so do the survivors so 331 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:32.080 I would just say you know make that an intentional item in your prayer life 332 00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:35.640 lifting up the survivors and those that are fighting for them I think that's 333 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:41.840 critical the other thing is give it's it is an expensive project that we've taken 334 00:22:41.840 --> 00:22:46.440 on here you know you can rescue the girls and that's kind of like quick and 335 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:52.720 easy and not expensive but to restore somebody's body soul mind spirit that's 336 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.520 a two-year process that costs a good bit of money right so if you can invest in 337 00:22:56.520 --> 00:22:59.760 an organization that's making that difference I mean that means that means 338 00:22:59.760 --> 00:23:05.680 everything and then also look for local organizations every city has them that 339 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.960 are that are fighting this fight and and get involved with them see how you can 340 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:13.160 help what you can donate how you can volunteer your time I think I think 341 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:17.640 those are the best best options for folks absolutely and then if somebody 342 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:24.080 wanted to follow uncaged effort in this fight how do they reach out to you get 343 00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:28.520 in touch with you follow you what what is all that we would love that come to 344 00:23:28.520 --> 00:23:35.960 our website it's uncaged you and see a GED uncaged org and through that you can 345 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:41.400 tap us Facebook Twitter insta all that good stuff we're everywhere and we'd 346 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.080 love to hear from you can register on our website to receive monthly updates 347 00:23:45.080 --> 00:23:49.080 here about the exciting stories and rescues that are occurring in Romania 348 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:55.160 and all over Europe I love getting those updates my friend who found you at the 349 00:23:55.160 --> 00:24:01.640 Maui Airport and we we talked to each other a lot when we get those because 350 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:06.520 it's such a unbelievable story it's like we can't even believe what we're 351 00:24:06.520 --> 00:24:12.040 reading and it was it was one of those newsletters that you sent out that 352 00:24:12.040 --> 00:24:17.160 prompted Teresa we got to give a shout out to Teresa hi Teresa and that 353 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:23.280 prompted her to call me when my brother was here and then that whole part of the 354 00:24:23.280 --> 00:24:28.520 God story was revealed I mean it's just crazy but yeah it's definitely those 355 00:24:28.520 --> 00:24:33.880 those newsletters are so encouraging to see what you guys are actually the 356 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:40.040 difference that you guys are making and I know from like the feeding programs 357 00:24:40.040 --> 00:24:43.760 that we've been involved with in Africa and stuff anytime you have an 358 00:24:43.760 --> 00:24:49.280 overwhelming problem it's very very tempting to say well we're not even 359 00:24:49.280 --> 00:24:53.680 gonna make a dent in this you know it's just it's too big it's too much but it's 360 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:57.440 kind of like the saying of you know how do you eat an elephant one bite at a 361 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:02.000 time right and if I if everybody 362 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.000 took on the attitude of okay well you know we're we're not going to make any 363 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:08.320 progress yeah then nothing ever gets done but you know my point is you know 364 00:25:08.320 --> 00:25:12.520 one person one person is worth the effort that I know that we put in 365 00:25:12.520 --> 00:25:18.960 because it's just it's life-changing for them so we are so excited about what 366 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:25.040 you're doing excited to partner with you excited to hear more updates and I would 367 00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:31.100 encourage anyone listening or viewing you have got to got to got to go to the 368 00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:36.320 website and you have got to hear and see everything going on in an uncaged world 369 00:25:36.320 --> 00:25:42.880 it is crazy and it's amazing all at the same time so I would definitely give two 370 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.360 thumbs up and you guys need to go and check it out so Kim thank you so much 371 00:25:47.360 --> 00:25:51.760 for joining us today we are so excited that you are here and so thankful that 372 00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:58.280 we finally got to do this so is there anything else that is is there anything 373 00:25:58.280 --> 00:26:04.480 else that anybody that you would like anybody to know before we sign off 374 00:26:21.760 --> 00:26:33.880 you're welcome thank you so much all right guys well we want you to stay 375 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:42.200 tuned because next we have an actual potential victim that was targeted to be 376 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:47.720 trafficked and their story is coming right up so stay tuned welcome back to 377 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:54.800 Truth Talk and we are now bringing in two special guests Nick Dadich and his 378 00:26:54.800 --> 00:27:00.800 daughter Samira we are so excited to have you guys with us today I know we've 379 00:27:00.800 --> 00:27:06.680 been going back and forth trying to get you guys on Nick I read your infamous 380 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:13.560 Facebook post and literally just was devastated at just the thought of what 381 00:27:13.560 --> 00:27:19.200 might have gone through your head when your daughter called to tell you about 382 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:24.520 this experience so if some of you guys don't know maybe after you hear this 383 00:27:24.520 --> 00:27:29.440 story it will ring a little bit ring a little bell because Nick posted 384 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.800 something you know in the last year about an experience that happened to his 385 00:27:34.800 --> 00:27:39.840 daughter and we wanted to bring them on today to just tell you guys that 386 00:27:39.840 --> 00:27:44.760 especially the parents but also the the girls and the teenagers and you know 387 00:27:44.760 --> 00:27:50.400 unfortunately even boys because the target is always you know innocence so 388 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:56.560 I'm gonna have Samira go ahead and tell me what exactly happened I know you went 389 00:27:56.560 --> 00:28:00.720 to the mall you were having a girls day with your friend it was the two of you 390 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:05.120 guys at the mall you thought you're just shopping but it turned into a little bit 391 00:28:05.120 --> 00:28:13.480 more than that didn't it yeah so um my best friend Megan and I went to go 392 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:18.680 surprise my sister at work she works at the cheesecake factory which is connected 393 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:24.080 to the mall so we were we're done with our shopping you're in line for rolled 394 00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:29.520 ice cream and we were waiting for it I had walked over to look at the map of 395 00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:35.640 the mall we were trying to find one more store before we left and right when 396 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.680 I got back some girl just came out of nowhere like she was probably like in 397 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.600 her 40s she looks very just like a typical mom you would see at the mall 398 00:28:43.600 --> 00:28:49.520 and she was like I'm just gonna tuck your tag in and like by the time I kind 399 00:28:49.520 --> 00:28:55.760 of realized like that's kind of weird I moved away and she was she was gone like 400 00:28:55.760 --> 00:29:01.720 nowhere to be seen so I was just kind of a little bit taken off guard and my 401 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:06.720 friend Megan she really should be a detective after after this experience 402 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.560 she just kept looking at me and she's like are you okay are you okay I'm like 403 00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:15.280 yeah I'm fine that was just really weird first so we keep walking we get our 404 00:29:15.280 --> 00:29:19.000 rolled ice cream we go to the store and she keeps asking me she's like are you 405 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.200 okay I'm like okay well now you're making me nervous like I'm gonna throw 406 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:28.840 up let's just okay okay let's go to the bathroom I'm like let's just go outside 407 00:29:28.840 --> 00:29:32.480 you know maybe some fresh air and I don't want to go to the bathroom because 408 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:37.480 if anything did happen like this is the stories you hear like something happens 409 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.160 they make you sick to go to the bathroom and then it's kind of goes down over 410 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:47.360 there so we went outside so there for a few minutes and then like instantly I 411 00:29:47.360 --> 00:29:52.440 just dropped my bags and my ice cream just like and I just kind of shut off it 412 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:57.000 was like a flip switch my knees just like it's almost like my knees were 413 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:01.920 locked and then they bent I almost fell and she 414 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.360 didn't really know what to do. So she called my mom, my mom, 415 00:30:04.360 --> 00:30:09.560 who was working, and my mom had then used her clients phones, my 416 00:30:09.560 --> 00:30:12.280 mom does nails, she used her clients phone to call them all 417 00:30:12.280 --> 00:30:18.060 security. So we end up going back inside. And at this point, 418 00:30:18.060 --> 00:30:22.040 like I wasn't verbal, I wasn't speaking, Megan was kind of 419 00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:27.440 dragging me around. And we get inside, security ends up meeting 420 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.520 us there. My mom got ahold of my sister, who lives in 421 00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:37.120 Columbus. So she came to the mall. And we kind of all just 422 00:30:37.120 --> 00:30:40.560 met up at one time. And while Megan and I were waiting for 423 00:30:40.560 --> 00:30:43.000 security and my sister, there was a guy kind of like 424 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:46.440 lingering around us on the phone. And then you look at his 425 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.640 phone, look at us. So she kept dragging me along, like moving, 426 00:30:50.040 --> 00:30:53.720 probably 10 feet away, and he'd keep following us. So luckily, 427 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.000 that's when security showed up. And we went to the food court 428 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:02.040 and just sat down, they got me water. And so they ended up 429 00:31:02.040 --> 00:31:09.360 just basic asking me a bunch of questions. And they ended up 430 00:31:09.360 --> 00:31:14.440 calling EMS and they came in and took me out to their truck and 431 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.840 checked all my vitals and all that fun stuff. But they 432 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.760 couldn't do like the blood test in the truck. So they asked if I 433 00:31:22.760 --> 00:31:25.720 wanted to go to the hospital, but I didn't because I was I was 434 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.320 my sister and my friend. I'm like, you know, let me just 435 00:31:28.800 --> 00:31:33.720 relax and call my mom at least talk to some by this time, 436 00:31:33.800 --> 00:31:37.880 probably been about two hours. I was finally talking a little 437 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.560 bit more and realizing Oh my gosh, that actually just 438 00:31:40.560 --> 00:31:43.120 happened. Because that's stuff you see like on the news. And 439 00:31:43.120 --> 00:31:48.520 I'm like, so and then we ended up just leaving and I had to 440 00:31:48.520 --> 00:31:51.760 call and do all like the legal stuff like the police report. 441 00:31:51.760 --> 00:31:57.600 And then my dad had posted that on Facebook. And about, I would 442 00:31:57.600 --> 00:32:01.360 say about like a month after he posted it. I got a call when I 443 00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:06.000 was walking to class around like 9am from the Columbus PD. And 444 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.480 they said that the attention was drawn to their or the case I'm 445 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.720 sorry, the case was drawn to their attention. And they wanted 446 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:17.520 to investigate so gave them more in depth details, and they 447 00:32:17.520 --> 00:32:25.080 checked footage and whatnot. So but I was told that they could 448 00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:28.400 have used if you've ever seen like during COVID on the key 449 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.880 pads at stores, they have those little finger covers. So when 450 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.280 you touch the screen, the officer on the phone told me it 451 00:32:35.280 --> 00:32:37.440 could have been something like that. Because he said, was she 452 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.600 wearing a glove? And I said, not that I mean, I barely saw her, 453 00:32:40.600 --> 00:32:44.600 but I feel the glove would have been very noticeable for anybody 454 00:32:44.600 --> 00:32:48.720 in the mall. So he said it was probably one of those because a 455 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.920 lot of people use stuff like that, that's clear. And super 456 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.760 like tight to your hands, you can't see it. So 457 00:32:58.080 --> 00:33:03.560 just to be clear, whatever she whatever her intention was, 458 00:33:03.560 --> 00:33:06.440 because you know, nobody can really know what her intention 459 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.840 was, because it didn't go down the way she probably wanted it 460 00:33:09.840 --> 00:33:14.840 to. But what they found was that there was something on 461 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:19.280 either her finger or on the finger covering that she had on 462 00:33:19.560 --> 00:33:24.120 that ended up getting on the tag that she was trying to tuck back 463 00:33:24.120 --> 00:33:26.560 in to your shirt. Is that right? 464 00:33:27.280 --> 00:33:30.040 Yeah, so that was their assumption, because I ended up 465 00:33:30.040 --> 00:33:33.120 going the next morning to get a blood test. And they said it 466 00:33:33.120 --> 00:33:37.960 would it would have already been out of my system. So but he did 467 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.240 tell me it's like, I don't know the exact word, but it's almost 468 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.040 like some kind of oil. And he said it would it would have 469 00:33:44.040 --> 00:33:48.440 touched my back. And once it touches the top of your skin, it 470 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:53.320 goes into your bloodstream. Hmm. So and my friend Megan was 471 00:33:53.320 --> 00:33:56.160 saying, I don't even know if your tag was out. Like I feel 472 00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:01.320 like I would have noticed I was just wearing a tank top. So it 473 00:34:01.320 --> 00:34:04.560 was a pretty decent size tag for just a tank top and I had a 474 00:34:04.560 --> 00:34:07.800 sweater on. And she goes, I didn't even notice it was out. 475 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.199 So but whatever it was, it was like skin. It was on my skin, 476 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.600 which is my assumption because I guess I can't really like 477 00:34:15.600 --> 00:34:18.760 clarify that's exactly it. But that was what the officer was 478 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:19.280 telling me. 479 00:34:20.080 --> 00:34:25.080 And whatever was this substance that that touched your skin is 480 00:34:25.080 --> 00:34:30.320 what created the debilitation for you when your knees buckled 481 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.480 and you dropped your ice cream. And yeah, okay. Yeah. 482 00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:40.679 So, so did they ever find on the surveillance tape? Did they ever 483 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.840 see the girl that or the mom figure whoever did that to you? 484 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:51.480 So I never had I've never gotten a call since that day. But I'm 485 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:57.360 really not sure because she was she had her I think she had her 486 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.040 hood up if I remember correctly. 487 00:35:00.720 --> 00:35:02.840 I mean, it was like a basic thing you would see in a movie. 488 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.420 She was wearing all black, black hoodie. 489 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.600 So I'm not sure what they ended up finding, 490 00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:13.040 but they pretty much just asked me more detail 491 00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:15.440 of exactly where I was at, what I was wearing, 492 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.160 what my friend Megan was wearing, 493 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.760 the best description I could give of her. 494 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.280 So I haven't really looked into it much. 495 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.400 I feel like I would have gotten a call, 496 00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:28.300 but at the same time, at this point, 497 00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:30.600 it's almost like out of my hands, 498 00:35:30.600 --> 00:35:32.300 like the police were kind of handling it. 499 00:35:32.300 --> 00:35:34.420 So maybe they wouldn't have called me 500 00:35:34.420 --> 00:35:35.400 if they did find anything. 501 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.020 So I haven't really checked in on that lately. 502 00:35:39.020 --> 00:35:39.940 Wow. 503 00:35:39.940 --> 00:35:44.700 Well, as a mom, I can tell you that, 504 00:35:44.700 --> 00:35:48.060 first of all, I'm so glad it was nothing more than that. 505 00:35:48.060 --> 00:35:53.060 Obviously, any kind of stranger approaching my child 506 00:35:54.060 --> 00:35:58.300 and then having a reaction like that 507 00:35:58.300 --> 00:36:02.820 would be very disheartening and very concerning. 508 00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:05.780 I may not let you out of the house for a while, 509 00:36:05.780 --> 00:36:08.700 but Nick, what, you know, 510 00:36:08.700 --> 00:36:11.100 obviously like thousands of people 511 00:36:11.100 --> 00:36:12.620 have read your Facebook posts, 512 00:36:12.620 --> 00:36:15.540 but I mean, what in the world, 513 00:36:15.540 --> 00:36:18.140 I mean, how did that make you feel? 514 00:36:18.140 --> 00:36:22.260 Obviously at the time you were 18 when that happened, 515 00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:23.860 correct, Samira? 516 00:36:23.860 --> 00:36:24.700 Yes. 517 00:36:24.700 --> 00:36:27.180 Okay, so technically, you know, she's a grown adult, 518 00:36:27.180 --> 00:36:30.620 but all parents know, you know, they're always our babies. 519 00:36:30.620 --> 00:36:35.180 So at what point, you know, I mean, I'm thinking, 520 00:36:35.180 --> 00:36:38.060 you know, how do you ever let her, you know, 521 00:36:38.060 --> 00:36:39.900 ever leave the house ever again? 522 00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:44.380 You know, I would be so afraid of what else is out there. 523 00:36:44.380 --> 00:36:46.820 I mean, who thinks of something like that? 524 00:36:46.820 --> 00:36:49.100 I mean, you just wonder what goes through people's minds 525 00:36:49.100 --> 00:36:50.840 to have some substance. 526 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.520 I mean, although they say there's so many kids today 527 00:36:53.520 --> 00:36:56.840 literally dying the very first time they take one pill 528 00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:00.880 just because of the teeny amount of fentanyl 529 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.200 that's on the pill that, you know, 530 00:37:03.200 --> 00:37:07.520 even touching it can do some horrible damage. 531 00:37:07.520 --> 00:37:10.720 So there's obviously all kinds of street drugs out there 532 00:37:10.720 --> 00:37:13.680 that you have no idea and, you know, 533 00:37:13.680 --> 00:37:16.800 they're using those things to get to our children. 534 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.800 So, I mean, what did that make you feel like as a parent? 535 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.400 Well, I will say this. 536 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.320 I was a little bit more calm considering the timeline 537 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:27.760 because she called me. 538 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.240 Samira, what month was it when that happened? 539 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.840 It was, I believe it was like August 11th. 540 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.360 So, okay, there you go. 541 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.240 So yeah, it was about six months ago. 542 00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:43.720 So, but the timeline, because she called me 543 00:37:43.720 --> 00:37:46.080 after everything was already under control. 544 00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:47.880 Like she called me after she had already met 545 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.320 with the mall security and the ambulance. 546 00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.520 So at that time I knew it was okay. 547 00:37:55.080 --> 00:37:56.880 And I just remember, I was like, 548 00:37:59.720 --> 00:38:01.240 me and Samira's mom are divorced. 549 00:38:01.240 --> 00:38:03.800 So we live in different houses, not too far apart, 550 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:06.480 but then Samira was staying with her mom at that time. 551 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.400 But, you know, I'm always the jealous dad. 552 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:09.720 I'm like, you know, call me, 553 00:38:09.720 --> 00:38:11.440 come spend time with me, whatever. 554 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.200 So I was, my first thing was, 555 00:38:13.200 --> 00:38:15.680 I said, why didn't you call me instantly? 556 00:38:15.680 --> 00:38:17.320 You know, if I'm good at anything, 557 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:18.640 it's being that protector. 558 00:38:18.640 --> 00:38:21.080 And she's like, dad, I just know you're, you know, 559 00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:22.320 you're how emotional you are. 560 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.520 You would have been in your car 561 00:38:23.520 --> 00:38:26.800 and doing 110 miles an hour to get down here to Columbus. 562 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.960 Cause we're in town, we're about two hours away. 563 00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.840 And I'm like, absolutely, I would have. 564 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:32.680 Right. 565 00:38:32.680 --> 00:38:34.360 So instantly, that's what I thought. 566 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.680 But I was, at the same time, I was pretty calm. 567 00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:38.000 Cause when she told me what happened, 568 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.200 I was more in shock of the story. 569 00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:43.920 And I don't want to sound like an uncaring dad, 570 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.240 but I wasn't as concerned about her, like I said, 571 00:38:46.240 --> 00:38:47.800 just because of the timeline. 572 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.480 Had she called me and said, dad, 573 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.520 hey, listen, this is where I'm at Easton mall. 574 00:38:52.520 --> 00:38:54.560 And this, someone just put something on me 575 00:38:54.560 --> 00:38:55.520 and I'm feeling not, 576 00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:59.120 then it would have been a completely different Nick Dadich. 577 00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:01.320 Again, probably would have been doing 110, 578 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.600 getting down there. 579 00:39:02.600 --> 00:39:05.280 So I'd give her credit for that. 580 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.360 You know, just, you know, and something else she had, 581 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:08.600 she had told me too. 582 00:39:08.600 --> 00:39:10.120 She said when she wasn't feeling good 583 00:39:10.120 --> 00:39:14.000 and Megan was saying, you know, let's go in the bathroom. 584 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.640 And I remember Samira telling me 585 00:39:16.040 --> 00:39:18.560 that she told Megan, like, no, whoever, 586 00:39:18.560 --> 00:39:20.680 if that girl put something on me, 587 00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:23.520 they're probably waiting to beat us up in the bathroom. 588 00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:25.800 So, you know, your listeners really can't tell, 589 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.240 but Samira is a above average size girl. 590 00:39:29.240 --> 00:39:32.480 She's not a skinny mini. 591 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:33.480 She's healthy. 592 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.040 She was an athlete. 593 00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:36.920 And what the thing that I think of is 594 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.680 if it made her that weak, just that little bit, 595 00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:42.760 I mean, what if it's just a, you know, 596 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:44.720 your normal size, skinny little college, 597 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.040 but what does that do to them? 598 00:39:46.040 --> 00:39:47.680 You know, how much more does it knock it out? 599 00:39:47.680 --> 00:39:51.680 Does it give, you know, the predator time to, you know, 600 00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:55.760 if it disorients you for 30 seconds, a minute or whatever. 601 00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.480 And then from there, who knows? 602 00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.200 I don't know if it's about the trafficking. 603 00:39:59.200 --> 00:40:00.400 It could just be about. 604 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.700 out, we want to take your purse. 605 00:40:01.700 --> 00:40:04.340 We could have been, you know, I like him. 606 00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:08.680 I liken that to people that, you know, who key cars or send computer viruses. 607 00:40:08.680 --> 00:40:10.100 They never see the end result. 608 00:40:10.740 --> 00:40:13.260 Um, they're just doing it to, to hurt people. 609 00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:16.020 And I, you know, like I mentioned before we came on the show, I don't 610 00:40:16.020 --> 00:40:18.860 know what their intention was, but it wasn't noble by any stretch. 611 00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:19.820 No. 612 00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:24.380 And in today's day and age, unfortunately, you know, you, you just can't be too 613 00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:29.500 careful it, you know, like my grandparents like never locked their doors and, you 614 00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:34.680 know, kids would play in the street until dark and, you know, I mean, it, it is such 615 00:40:34.680 --> 00:40:36.640 a different world that we live in. 616 00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:42.040 And so many of these people are coming up with creative ways to get to our kids. 617 00:40:42.100 --> 00:40:46.360 And so, you know, my job as a mom and your job, obviously, as a 618 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.240 dad is to protect our children. 619 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:53.140 And I would personally rather err on the side of caution and be overly 620 00:40:53.140 --> 00:40:57.980 protective than I would to go, Oh, well, you know, it's probably, you know, they 621 00:40:57.980 --> 00:41:02.280 probably weren't really trying to do anything bad to her, you know, obviously 622 00:41:02.680 --> 00:41:07.320 there was something that, you know, they had ill intentions there. 623 00:41:07.640 --> 00:41:13.240 It's just, it's crazy to me something, because I think about, I, if I had a tag 624 00:41:13.240 --> 00:41:18.200 sticking out, I would appreciate somebody tucking it in and I've done the same 625 00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:20.800 thing to other people, other strangers. 626 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.000 And I, I take it as an act of kindness because you don't want anybody walking 627 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:26.660 around with their tags sticking out. 628 00:41:26.660 --> 00:41:30.280 You know, it's like somebody that, you know, tucks their skirt into their 629 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.400 pantyhose, you know, you're like, Oh, excuse me, I don't want to embarrass 630 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.960 you, but I, you may want to go check that out, you know, I mean, you're 631 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.760 really just trying to be kind. 632 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:43.520 And then they take this kind gesture that a normal thinking human being would just 633 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:48.000 be trying to help someone and they turn that into something very dangerous 634 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:52.960 potentially, you know, and it just, it's really sad that we have to deal 635 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.220 with stuff like that today, you know, but you really just cannot be too careful. 636 00:41:58.060 --> 00:41:58.300 No. 637 00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:01.340 And when you, what, everything you're saying is right in it, you're kind of 638 00:42:01.340 --> 00:42:06.020 just when you hear good stories about and have faith in people and humankind, 639 00:42:06.100 --> 00:42:10.140 you know, mankind, and then something like this happens, it makes you take a 640 00:42:10.140 --> 00:42:13.520 step back and, and, you know, before Samara went to school, I mean, I own a 641 00:42:13.520 --> 00:42:15.500 bar and grill up here in Talmadge, Ohio. 642 00:42:16.220 --> 00:42:20.560 And, um, we, you know, I would talk to her before she went to school and her 643 00:42:20.580 --> 00:42:23.300 sister, when she went to school and our sister is down in Columbus. 644 00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:24.140 So she's farther away. 645 00:42:24.140 --> 00:42:28.660 Samara is only about 10, 15 minutes away from me now, maybe five miles as the crow 646 00:42:28.660 --> 00:42:32.580 flies, but I told him, I said, listen, you know, you're going to go to college. 647 00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:34.100 Don't assume anything. 648 00:42:34.100 --> 00:42:37.380 You know, you go to the bathroom, you take your drink with you or you finish. 649 00:42:38.140 --> 00:42:40.900 You go in pairs, you never let someone buy you a drink. 650 00:42:41.300 --> 00:42:44.620 If, if, if they do, you're right next to them and you see the bartender 651 00:42:44.620 --> 00:42:45.680 make it and hand it to you. 652 00:42:45.680 --> 00:42:46.980 Don't take your eye off of it. 653 00:42:47.420 --> 00:42:50.120 You know, when you're walking with friends, walk with your, you know, your 654 00:42:50.120 --> 00:42:53.780 purse is carrying them on the inside of each other and just things like that. 655 00:42:53.780 --> 00:42:59.640 Like I never, it just never occurred to me that something would go this far, you 656 00:42:59.640 --> 00:43:04.140 know, or I, as far as there's something I didn't cover, you know, just because, you 657 00:43:04.140 --> 00:43:07.420 know, when you're on a bar, you've seen quite a bit, you've probably seen more 658 00:43:07.700 --> 00:43:11.660 social, you know, good things and those than the common person working in a 659 00:43:11.660 --> 00:43:15.940 cubicle that are landlocked or, you know, office locked, but, um, so you think you 660 00:43:15.940 --> 00:43:17.620 can cover everything and you just don't. 661 00:43:17.640 --> 00:43:23.240 So, and I, you know, I told you before the show and I really, before it became a 662 00:43:23.240 --> 00:43:27.160 popular song, um, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. 663 00:43:27.580 --> 00:43:32.060 Um, my dad, that was his expression, you know, um, he would, he would, you 664 00:43:32.060 --> 00:43:33.040 know, something bad happened. 665 00:43:33.040 --> 00:43:34.080 You're like, you're all right, you're okay. 666 00:43:34.080 --> 00:43:35.480 All right, then learn from it, you know? 667 00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:39.580 So in this case, we're really lucky that we got a chance to learn from it. 668 00:43:39.940 --> 00:43:42.840 I haven't really talked to Samir much about us in some, but I know that 669 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:47.040 every time she goes out, she's never alone, you know, she's always with a 670 00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:50.640 friend, um, you can't expect to always be like that, but I think she's, and she 671 00:43:50.640 --> 00:43:54.220 would have to speak to it more directly than I can for her, but I think she's 672 00:43:54.220 --> 00:43:58.840 become more, a little more conscious about her surroundings, um, and is more 673 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.940 aware that, Hey, there's, there's trouble lurking at every corner if you let it. 674 00:44:03.340 --> 00:44:08.180 So, like I said, I'm glad it happened to her now, knowing that she's okay. 675 00:44:08.600 --> 00:44:12.460 Um, because it's, you know, it just chalks that up to a life experience. 676 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.040 It makes her smarter with her decisions. 677 00:44:15.040 --> 00:44:18.940 And also, you know, your college, every kid starts, gets this college, 678 00:44:18.940 --> 00:44:20.500 they start drinking, they start. 679 00:44:21.040 --> 00:44:24.640 And you don't know how you're, you're going to react and how you're going to 680 00:44:24.640 --> 00:44:26.880 handle certain things if you're under an influence. 681 00:44:27.220 --> 00:44:31.680 So it's also helped her, um, because having a bar, you know, she, she works 682 00:44:31.680 --> 00:44:34.120 for me after work, she'll have a drink with her friend or whatever, 683 00:44:34.120 --> 00:44:35.560 but she's always in control. 684 00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:41.660 She's always made, um, good decisions, uh, with, um, her, um, you know, driving 685 00:44:41.660 --> 00:44:47.720 or her friends, or so all of that combined has really helped to, to motor, 686 00:44:47.720 --> 00:44:50.220 I think, to be safer than the average Jane. 687 00:44:50.780 --> 00:44:55.900 Um, but hopefully with this podcast that you're putting out, people are just aware. 688 00:44:55.900 --> 00:44:59.980 It's not to scare anybody because, you know, really it's like chances of a happening. 689 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:06.100 Two are very slim, but the consequences, if it does, are a lot worse than the same 690 00:45:06.100 --> 00:45:10.420 odds of hitting the lottery, you know, real lives we're dealing with and, and 691 00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:12.420 the, and the ugliest part of our humanity. 692 00:45:13.660 --> 00:45:14.540 Absolutely. 693 00:45:14.540 --> 00:45:19.320 Well, Samira is there, you know, that's really good wisdom that your dad, um, 694 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.680 has said you obviously, you know, are going to try to be with a friend, you 695 00:45:22.680 --> 00:45:26.760 know, whenever you're out and, you know, watching, you know, for what's happening 696 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.700 in your immediate surroundings. 697 00:45:28.700 --> 00:45:33.080 Is there any other lesson that you've learned that you want to share with, you 698 00:45:33.080 --> 00:45:36.560 know, your peer group or even maybe, you know, kids that are younger than you, 699 00:45:36.560 --> 00:45:37.940 but are just hanging out at the mall? 700 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:40.100 Yeah. 701 00:45:40.100 --> 00:45:45.920 So I know like a few things, um, that I did before this experience 702 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.480 that I never will do again. 703 00:45:48.200 --> 00:45:50.060 Always, we just have a local mall. 704 00:45:50.200 --> 00:45:54.980 Um, if I have to make a return or I'm just looking for one thing, just a quick 705 00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:59.600 mall trip, I'll just go run in there and leave just by myself. 706 00:45:59.600 --> 00:46:00.480 Like it's no big deal. 707 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.960 It's, it's like 20 minutes from my house. 708 00:46:03.560 --> 00:46:08.220 Um, so that's the big thing is, uh, going places by myself. 709 00:46:08.220 --> 00:46:11.560 I mean, granted, like I know where I can go by myself and where I 710 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.880 take someone with me for sure. 711 00:46:14.900 --> 00:46:20.800 Um, then another thing is just don't let anybody touch you. 712 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:25.280 It's very basic, but nobody should be close enough to you where they are able 713 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:27.620 to put a hand on you for any reason. 714 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:34.520 I mean, granted, it was a hard situation because she was literally gone in the 715 00:46:34.520 --> 00:46:39.840 blink of an eye by the time I realized it happened, she was gone, but it's just 716 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.220 being very like aware of your surroundings, which I thought I was. 717 00:46:43.240 --> 00:46:47.680 I thought I usually am, but you know, stuff can sneak up on you like that. 718 00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:53.120 So for sure, just not going anywhere by yourself and knowing your surroundings, 719 00:46:53.120 --> 00:46:56.080 I think is two very big takeaways for me. 720 00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:02.620 Um, and even like being at school, I have a few classes that end at five when like 721 00:47:02.620 --> 00:47:04.560 in the winter time, it sun starts to set. 722 00:47:05.120 --> 00:47:10.840 So even like just texting a friend and being like, Hey, I'm getting back to my 723 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:14.120 dorm at this time, just so, you know, somebody's always expecting you. 724 00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.240 So if you don't show up or something happens, somebody knows. 725 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:19.760 Right. 726 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.520 Yeah, it's, it's definitely better to be safe than sorry. 727 00:47:22.520 --> 00:47:26.320 I, um, I, I totally just think that's just good common sense. 728 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:31.760 So, well, we're so thankful that nothing worse happened to you. 729 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.760 I hate that you did have to have that experience at all. 730 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:40.480 And, um, but you've probably saved somebody's life that would not otherwise 731 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.000 have even paid attention to that. 732 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:48.440 But somebody has definitely between you telling your own story and your dad 733 00:47:48.520 --> 00:47:52.120 sharing it with, you know, hundreds of thousands of people all over Facebook 734 00:47:52.520 --> 00:47:54.440 has definitely heard your story. 735 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.640 And, um, like your dad said, if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. 736 00:47:58.640 --> 00:48:02.680 And hopefully you are definitely stronger because of the situation. 737 00:48:02.680 --> 00:48:06.320 And I know for me, one thing that I've definitely learned is, you know, you 738 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:11.000 can't put your faith or trust in any person, you know, I trust God and God 739 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.720 alone, and then I trust God with the people he brings into my life and if he 740 00:48:15.720 --> 00:48:21.120 removes them, you know, so be it, but, um, you just, you know, man by nature 741 00:48:21.120 --> 00:48:26.920 is, is, you know, depraved and, you know, our hearts are wicked, but, um, some 742 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.160 like just go further than we would ever have imagined. 743 00:48:31.160 --> 00:48:36.520 And so I'm grateful that that attempt did not do anything more to you than it, 744 00:48:36.600 --> 00:48:39.560 than it did, and that you're willing to share it with us. 745 00:48:39.560 --> 00:48:40.600 So thank you. 746 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.800 Thank both of y'all so much for coming on and Nick, thank you so much for working 747 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.640 with us to put all this together so that we could tell Samira's story. 748 00:48:49.640 --> 00:48:53.120 And, um, is there anything either of you would like to add for the 749 00:48:53.120 --> 00:48:55.760 viewers before we, before we go? 750 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:57.240 Nope. 751 00:48:57.240 --> 00:49:01.600 The only thing I would say is just teach your kids, you know, don't, don't assume 752 00:49:01.600 --> 00:49:04.960 they know it because even though they think they know everything at 18 going 753 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.280 into college, there's probably some things that you could share with them. 754 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.800 Even if it's, you feel like it's belaboring it, do it. 755 00:49:12.120 --> 00:49:14.480 The regret of not doing it after something's happened. 756 00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:15.800 That's right. 757 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:16.000 Yeah. 758 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.640 There's a lot of times I talk to my children and I know they don't want to 759 00:49:19.640 --> 00:49:25.640 hear it, but I can't not tell them in good conscience because I know the dangers 760 00:49:25.640 --> 00:49:29.200 that could be out there facing them, you know, and it is, like you said, it's not 761 00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:31.560 to scare anybody, it's simply to make them aware. 762 00:49:32.080 --> 00:49:33.640 So that's great. 763 00:49:33.640 --> 00:49:35.680 Well, you guys, thank you so much. 764 00:49:35.720 --> 00:49:38.760 And we appreciate you guys coming on for our audience. 765 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.040 We just want to thank you for tuning in to another episode of Truth Talk 766 00:49:43.080 --> 00:49:44.640 and we will see you next time. 767 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.120 Thanks for watching!