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All right, back to back.
This is session 10 for day one.
How crazy is that?
This is the wildest summit ever,
29 sessions in three days,
and we're so honored to be here with Nick Boyer,
all the way from Tete, Mozambique.
Nick, how are you doing?
Doing great, thanks for having me.
Oh, a pleasure.
It's very, very good to have you here.
Nick and I actually met in Mozambique
like 11 years ago, over 11 years ago now,
which is, well, yeah, about 11 years ago, isn't it?
No, no, just over 10, just over 10,
because my wife and I,
when we woke up in Mozambique,
the first morning we woke up in Mozambique,
it was our one-year wedding anniversary.
So we've been married 11 years,
it's a decade, just over a decade
since we were at Harvest School together
with Roland and Heidi at Iris Ministries, which is awesome.
Seb, how are you doing?
We've had nine sessions today,
just about back-to-back the whole way through.
Yeah, I'm pumping, I'm pumping.
Jesus is alive, he's on the throne.
Energy pumping through my veins is awesome.
Yeah, absolutely, and it's just so,
this is actually really energizing.
Two things, like the testimonies
of how God's moving all around the world,
totally changing infrastructures
and rearranging things on a big scale,
but then also just on these personal moments
where Jesus is just encountering individual people
and rocking their lives,
like testimonies we just heard from Ricky.
And so, yeah, it's just wild.
God's on the move in like every context.
And so, Nick, we are so, so excited
to jump into your space right now in Mozambique, Africa,
and hear what God's been doing in your space.
Yeah, we're super excited.
On the 22nd of this month, in a few days,
my wife, Marlene, and I will be celebrating 10 years
living in Tete Mozambique, Africa.
Wow.
It's been a wild, crazy journey,
lots of hardships, lots of trials,
but the Lord has been like crazy, crazy faithful.
There's things we've been praying for
and had prophecies over us for years and years and years
that we're seeing amazing breakthrough with,
just get in favor with government officials
and through, like we've got a,
what we call Shekinah Healing Home here in Tete.
We built a boy's home and rescued a bunch of boys
off the street that we took in as our own sons.
And yeah, it's just crazy how God's like,
things are coming to pass that we've been chasing after
and praying into for a very long time and going after.
And things are just like escalated
at a crazy rate here recently.
And yeah, it's opening doors for us to speak
in the government and on a national level
to be able to bring kingdom into Mozambique
because we're believing God for this nation
to be radically transformed.
So it's exciting.
Well, I love that.
And how about you pray for us
and let's light this session up
and just so excited to hear.
It's like everyone we talked to is like another window
into a whole move of God that's unfolding.
And it's so exciting.
So pray for us, my man.
So excited for you to release what you're carrying.
Yeah, Jesus, we thank you so much for your goodness,
for your love, your mercy and grace.
God, I thank you for what you're doing
through this Kingdom Business Summit,
through Raising Royalty, through Sebastian,
through Benji.
We thank you for this movement, God,
and that your hand's upon it.
And Lord, we just pray that you would move mightily,
that you would give us download vision,
download strategy, show us exactly the methods
and ways you want us to have impact
through kingdom businesses and through mission
and all the different areas we're working in.
Show us how we can disciple nations,
how we can radically transform culture for the kingdom.
We're believing you to move mightily in and through
all of these people and the people watching
through their businesses, through their ministries,
through their churches, through their families,
through their workplaces.
God, we just pray that you would move
in a mighty, mighty, mighty, mighty way.
And that amidst chaos in the world,
the global church would unite in power, in unity.
and just start to transform culture, transform communities,
that you'd be glorified, in Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.
Amen, I love it.
Dude.
Very cool.
Yeah, this is wild.
And it's so crazy that you're about to celebrate 10 years
actually living and being based in Africa, in Mozambique.
I mean...
Yeah, in three days.
In three days' time, you've got your 10-year anniversary.
Wow.
And I want to like, I mean, to me, I want to highlight for people
how much of a big deal that is that you're still there.
It is not easy doing cross-cultural, being away from family, being,
you know, like, so could you just unpack for us a little bit
of what it's cost you.
What's it been like to actually be there for a decade?
I'm really excited.
Soon we're going to start hearing some of these crazy cool testimonies.
But so often that breakthrough that you guys are walking in,
it doesn't just come easy.
It comes off the back of sacrifice,
comes off the back of really laying your life down.
So it'd be really cool right now as we start just to hear from you
like some of, like, what's the price been to be in Africa?
Yeah.
The price has been heavy, but it's been nothing but an honour.
Like, it just rakes me saying that because Jesus is worth it.
And he's just shown up so mightily for us.
We've gone through a lot of crazy, crazy attack,
crazy stuff that the enemies tried to run us away from our mission.
I mean, we were in the first few years here.
I think it was towards the end of the second year here.
We had hit men put on us.
They come in our home, attacked us, tied us up with electrical cords,
tried to rape my wife.
They beat her till they broke her jaw completely.
They stole everything we had, threatened to kill us,
told us we need to leave the country.
So we've gone through some pretty wild stuff over the 10 years.
But it's for us, we've started to live by this method
that we know when there's opposition, we're on the right track.
And we know when there's attack and the enemy's coming,
it's because we're taking territory and we're actually creating change.
We try to remind ourselves when the going gets easy
and we're just flowing along, check ourselves
to see if we're really, really advancing Kingdom,
if we're really pushing the mission forward
because we're not in the hot seat and the enemy's not really after us.
So, yeah, it's not been easy.
Being away from family, all of our family being in the States
and 10 years away, it's been very, very hard.
That's a sacrifice.
And just crazy battles, infertility, eight years of infertility
while living here on the mission field, things like that,
that just try to drag you down and take your hope and your joy away.
But I guess we know God's in it and we know he's moving
and we've seen him move in such mighty ways
that we just keep our hand on the plow and he keeps showing up
and keeps coming through and pulling us through
every little thing that's thrown at us and going beyond that
and just moving mightily and opening crazy doors that no man can open.
So that's what's kept us in it.
And just seeing him move on the people here in Tete,
moving on our boys, radically transforming them
from little rascals on the streets, stealing,
to now they're leading worship.
They're doing flood release and out sharing the gospel
and preaching to people and praying over people.
And so, yeah, just seeing the fruit and God move
and fruit come through has let us stay the course.
Awesome, man. I love it.
And for, I have to be honest, I pulled up a map of Mozambique
and just to lock in for me where Tete is
compared to some of the places I've heard of before.
But so I'm curious inside you talking about that,
I know from being around Heidi recently
that there's a lot of ISIS happening up in northern Mozambique.
And you, to me, look like it's kind of more Western kind of inland.
Are you experiencing the same kind of upheaval and push
and like so literal war zones happening around you guys as well?
Is that a reality for you too?
On the ISIS side, that's further north, east of the coast,
Pablo Delgado province.
We really have.
that had that affect us at all here in tech, because we are Western and Inland.
Sure.
They haven't really moved into this area.
So that hasn't affected us.
I mean, over the years, there's been lots of government fighting and things between
the parties that has been close by, and having to drive through military convoys because
of chaos going on between the two government parties and things like that.
So as far as the ISIS thing goes, we're quite far, I mean, it's about a three-day drive
to that area where that stuff's going on, so that hasn't affected us very much, luckily.
Okay, well, I know it's not easy living over in that part of the world, just for context
for people.
But I'm so impressed by people who've done what you've done.
There's such a special place, I think, in the heart of the Father for people who are
willing to go above and beyond and put convenience aside for the sake of the gospel and for the
sake of the advancement of the kingdom.
It's incredible.
But I understand that you've got a lot of little business projects that you're going
on with some of the people you're working with, and would love to hear how's that going,
some of the stories that are happening as that's kind of pumping around you.
Yeah, right now, we've had some crazy flooding.
There's been a lot of cyclones hitting the coast of Mozambique lately.
And here in Tet province, we've got a lot of flooding that's happened.
A lot of families have completely lost everything.
So we've been doing a lot of relief work lately.
Going out and we're helping rebuild houses and we're building some new houses for families.
There's about 300 families that completely lost everything from one little community,
lost their homes and all their possessions, everything.
So we've been going out and helping the relocating the people to another village and we're helping
build homes there to get people on their feet and get them started working alongside government.
It's been amazing through starting businesses in the community alongside the mission that
we do.
It's been amazing how God's just opened these radical doors with government and we've been
called by the governor of Tet, the secretary of state of the Tet province and they're asking
us for answers.
And they're literally asking us to come and sit and hey, we need answers from God and
we know you have them.
That's exactly what they've said to us.
And so it's completely Jesus.
There's nothing we've done to make that happen besides be obedient and follow through what
God's asked us to do.
But here lately, it's been really exciting, amazing to see those connections and open
up and to where the government's asking us for how do we make change?
How do we actually create change here in our community, in the city that's going to last?
They're asking us to do crazy stuff.
We just got asked to sit on a board, on a panel of four government officials across
the nation of Mozambique to fight the epidemic of children begging on the streets and not
being in school and stuff like that.
Small kids from seven and eight and under and it's a huge epidemic here.
So they've asked us to come and give insight and answers into how can we change this epidemic
in the nation of Mozambique.
So God's just given us this radical favor, where we're actually stepping into a lot of
new things for us, where for the first several years, it was just in the dirt, on the ground
sitting in dumps with orphaned children, feeding them, loving them, sharing Jesus with them,
and just grafting to build a base here, build all of our housing and things like that, and
the home, the Shekinah home for our boys, to where now we're seeing a big transition
and things that God's spoken for years over us that would happen, that I really, if I'm
honest, doubted for a long time, like how could that ever happen with little old us?
But we're just saying, yes, Lord, and getting up every day and saying, Lord, whatever you
want, whatever you have, we're here to do it, and we're going to continue with it.
Here is some pretty cool stuff happening, where we're getting to see God move in mighty
ways.
He's raised up an amazing Christian leader over the social services and children welfare
department in Tet.
We've got a Christian governor in office here in Tet now, and we're seeing this, things
that we've been praying for, for 10 years, like going after really hard stuff's just
happening.
lot of radical changes it's fun to be a part of. That's really really key and really powerful I
think that that's something that is so so critical right now right with we want to be really conscious
of in all of our areas when wherever we are based that we're decreeing we're declaring we're seeing
a better brighter future you know like moaning grumbling and where you've been like you've been
and put in this hostile environment right but you've just been in this place of prayer this
place of faith even when it's been real hard that's so cool to now see you know like 10 years
on um legacy happening individuals you know like your own sons and be cool to just hear some more
stories as well about you know like you've actually gone in there and you've got sons there but also
shifting government shifting businesses this is like this we you're seeing a real systemic
transformation starting a spark here yeah yeah um yeah I think it it it's all about perseverance
and and something God told us early he said don't despise the days of small beginnings
and just stay faithful and stay true to to what what I say and stay obedient to what I've called
you to do and um I've I've I guess I've found it I've it's childlike faith I've just trusted and
trust the Lord and have childlike faith that he's going to move and do as he wants if we just let
him move us and let him him lead us and so yeah through that I mean like taking in our boys our
sons um that were just rough little rascals I mean we had government officials and people tell us
these kids will never change they can't change they're always going to be thieves they're going
to be back in prison and all this to where now they're in the top of their class every one of
our boys in the top of their class they're they're leading worship at their graduation at their
school uh leading worship at where they had all these families that that were displaced from flood
relief and and out praying over people and declaring things over this city that that that
God's done in their life and how they've been transformed and now the government's come back
in and they come for visits inspections things like that and and they're showing up and saying
they're seeing our boys out serving in the community on their own not forced not pushed by
us um they're just they got it they they got sonship and and they get it and they're out
doing it and so now we've got government saying can this be the model of what we want all other
non-profits or NGOs to represent in the nation of Mozambique and it's just the testimony of God's
goodness goodness and faithfulness just through saying yes um God told us several years years ago
he was looking for a yes people when no ifs ands or buts he said I've got plenty of people giving
me if ands or buts yes I'll go but yes I'll do this if and adding all these taglines on he's like
I just want you to say yes and go and follow me and and that's what we've tried to do and live
by a model that the light's always great until it's red we trust him that he's good enough father
he's not gonna let us go far enough down the wrong road so we just keep going and running forward
and um if we get off track God's good he's a good father he's gonna steer us back in the right
direction and put us back on track and he just keeps doing that and then when when it's green
and we see it's green the light's green we just keep running in those directions where God's
moving his hands upon it and um he's showing up and through that uh it it's naturally creating a
cultural change here in in our local community in our village in Padua through our discipleship
school with our workers that are on my construction uh crew from my construction company those guys
are going out and and praying over people in the villages and and actually living it out and so
I think for us it's just been a matter of uh creating opportunity and and living by example
and just staying true and faithful amidst whatever is thrown at us the child the tribulations all
that stuff and just saying yes lord uh over time people have seen that through the trials through
the hard things we haven't given up and we just keep showing up and saying yes and um sadly that's
not a very uh uh uh recurring thing that people see a lot of times when they go and get stuff
people pack their bags and run and um through just trusting God in his goodness and that he's
going to come through what he said it has uh it's changing culture it literally is before as we were
talking about last night over dinner with a couple of other of our leaders here that like we're like
guys can you believe we're like we got prophecies and words and things we've been hearing from the
lord for years now and now we're actually seeing
it change and these things are actually coming to pass where he's opening doors for us to really
transform culture through business, through missions, through just laying our lives down
and saying yes every day so yeah. That's cool, that's amazing. Dude I just want to jump back
to something I mean you just kind of mentioned this casually but this is flipping crazy and
most guys would just I mean anyone would be just like impacted to the core by this but you just
kind of mentioned it and then just carried on in the sentence almost. You said that people came
to your house, hit men, hired to kill you, tied you up, beat your wife so badly that they broke
jaw and threatening rape and I mean some people that would be like game over.
It'd be over but I just want to like jump into that space of that story alone because
you know I've been you know just watching from a distance all the stuff that you've been doing and
that's one of the stories that to me I'm like man that is huge that you know just when you first
shared that testimony years ago I was like man that that rocked me to the core just as a friend
hearing that but talk to me about that because so many people that would have just been game over
right there. Yeah so in those early days we didn't have licensing and stuff from government to try to
bring the boys into our home and we were still building the home then the Shekinah home but
our boys are on the streets and one morning we were me and my wife were living in a mud brick
house in the village no power no water roughing it seriously roughing it and the police showed
up at our door banging on the door and we're asking where our boys at where our kids and we're
like well they're on the streets they don't live with us we don't have the we haven't been given
the authority to take them in yet and so long story short on that aspect there was a guy working
for a company here who did this big scheme and stole a bunch of money from his boss and then
found the street kids the thieves and basically pinned them as the ones that stole all this money
and he was there with the police he showed up at our house very demonically oppressed
and was threatening to kill us and all this and you know I'm gonna find those kids and I'm gonna
kill them and throw them in the river and my wife did not like that too much and told him if he
touched laid a hand on one of our kids she'd see dude that he rotted in prison and the guy didn't
like that so he was just threatening us dumb we're like we don't know what's going on maybe the kids
our boys did steal because at that time they were they were survivors and they had to steal to
survive to eat every day and things like that and so we said we'll get to the bottom of it well long
long story short after a few days of trying to figure out what was going on
and we knew how to get to the truth of things with our boys we found out that they really
hadn't stole the money and through doing some research and stuff we found out that this guy
actually stole the money and framed our boys because they're known as the thieves and it
seemed like an easy plan excuse me so about a week to two weeks later one day I was out here on the
land working we were just with picks and machetes cutting trees and picking digging foundations for
this kind of home and I ran home for lunch and to cool off for a bit and I was we got a knock on the
door and went to the door and there's this guy there and he's looking around trying to look over
my head into the house and stuff and he was asking for these American missionaries that work with
kids on the street and I'm like that's us what can we help you with and he says well no I'm looking
for this family that that that work with kids on the streets and they're from America but they drive
a car just like yours but it's a different color and I said well I know in this city there's nobody
else doing the work we do we're the only two Americans here working with kids on the streets
and so uh Marlene came and gave the guy water we actually even prayed over the guy and then
at 2 a.m that night or the next morning um we we Marlene heard a sound and woke me up and she's
like babe I think somebody's trying to get in our house I said no it's probably just our guard
talking to the neighbor or something and we just had a little guy that would sit at a friend of
ours would sit at our house at night and guard and um and uh but I went back to sleep and again
she woke me again said babe I feel like somebody's in the house and then all of a sudden I started
hearing we had a
another missionary girl here with us during the internship
and she was crying outside of her door.
And then I started hearing some whispering stuff.
I was like, yeah, somebody's here.
So I looked for something to grab to hit these guys
to like attack or to protect my wife, protect my family.
And so when I grabbed this like little marble elephant thing
that was like a bookend piece, I grabbed it.
And by that time the door came busting down
and these guys shoved their way in with machetes
and pinned us on the bed, climbed up on top of us,
put the machetes to our throats.
And yeah, just trying to put fear in us and scare us.
And they basically told us that they were hired
by that guy to run us out of the country
because we were foreigners and we didn't have authority
to be in there, we shouldn't be in the country.
And he wanted us to leave.
And so yeah, they ended up, they had tied our,
they'd already tied up our intern
that was with us at the time.
And threw her on the bed beside us
and they tied us all up with electrical cord stuffed shirts
and our mouths tied up cords around that
so we couldn't talk or scream or anything.
And then they drug my wife to another room
and I thought they were just trying to separate us.
And then I heard my wife scream and bloody murder
and I really thought they were killing her.
So I tried to lunge off the bed and get the guy off of me
and rammed him against the wall.
But I had my hands and my feet tied up.
So I ran the guy against the wall, but he overpowered me
and got back on top of me.
And I saw fear in his eyes then.
He was like, if you move again, I'll kill you.
And just a minute or so later,
the other guy comes dragging my wife in by her feet.
And they told us, they're like, if you scream,
there's guys, there's armed guys with guns
and machetes outside the house.
And they come dragging my wife in by her feet
and throw her up on the bed beside me.
It was the scariest I've ever been.
I thought she was dead literally.
And after a few minutes, she came to,
she'd been knocked out.
Her jaw was completely broken and her mouth was like this.
And the guy tried to rape her in the other room
and she was trying to wrestle and fight back
just to keep him from raping her.
And he started punching her until it broke her jaw.
And actually she hit the floor and it knocked her out.
And so, yeah, they ended up taking everything we had.
I think at that time we had like three or $400 to our name
and we had it all in cash with no money in the bank at all.
They took everything we had except some of our clothes
and they told us to leave the country.
And so for us, it was pretty crazy
because my wife, after she came to,
after she got knocked out,
she started sharing the gospel with a broken jaw
with these guys.
And this radical love of God came over her.
And me, to be honest, at that time
I wanted to kill these guys.
I wasn't thinking of sharing the gospel one bit.
But Marlene started sharing Jesus with them.
And she said, guys, you don't have to hurt us.
We'll give you whatever you want.
All this stuff doesn't matter.
And she was just sharing Jesus with them and loving on them
with her mouth completely broken.
Her alignment of her top and her bottom teeth
was completely off.
And she shared Jesus with these guys.
And after it was all said and done,
she said, babe, I get it now.
And I was like, you get what?
And she said, I get the love of Jesus
that he would die for our sins
even when we're at our nastiest, our ugliest.
And she said, because the love of God came over me
for these men, and my heart just broke for these men
because they didn't know what they're doing.
And they don't know who they're doing it to.
And so it ended up being it shifted my mentality
through her just being the radical lover
she is to change and just see their brokenness
and that these guys are operating out
of their loss and brokenness.
And it turned into an amazing story
where we got opportunities to travel around the world
and share with people.
That kind of radical love of God
that can rise up in us if we allow it
to love our enemies at the worst time.
So yeah, we had a million people in America calling us
and from all over the world saying
they would send us money to fly us home.
I had pastors, I had ministers,
I had people all over saying,
no, you're not a good husband
to have your wife in a dangerous place.
You need to move back to America.
I have worldly people.
We have tons of people telling us like,
you got to get out of there.
You need to go back to America.
It's not safe.
And our thing was, when did Jesus call us to safe?
When did he call us to easy?
He did.
He said, follow me.
Pick up your cross and follow me.
All the more testimony we're right
where we're supposed to be.
And we're going to press in and we're going to dig
and we're not going to give up
because that's what the enemy wants
is us to run away and quit.
And after that happened,
we saw a radical transformation financially,
physically in the natural here,
spiritual breakthrough through.
us saying yes and not quitting, you know, all these opportunities gone, where we hadn't,
we were broke, completely broke financially. People weren't given at that point. They really
didn't think we were going to make it over here. A lot of people I think were just watching
to see if we would last. And so we were just living as a nonprofit thing. We didn't have
businesses or anything. And we were trusting the body of the church to provide for us to
do the mission God was calling us to. And yeah, it, we just dug our roots in even more.
We're like, devil, you're not taking us out of the calling God has on our life and what
you're going to do in this city and in this nation. And now through that perseverance
and not giving up, it, those things are starting to really come to pass where we're really
going after seeing this nation disciple and not settle for anything less. We want this
nation to be dedicated to Jesus. And we want to see the government saved and give their
life to Jesus from the top of the top to the poorest of the poor. We want to see them encounter
the radical love of God and he's moving, he's doing it.
Man, that is so massive. And this is, this to me, really helps to get to the very core
of, like, like you said, the engine room, you know, we had earlier Pastor Todd Weatherly
talking about joy is an engine room, but even deeper than joy, like joy is like a fuel,
but there's a, there's the level that goes deeper here where love and that radical love
is the engine room that drives it. You know, like if you get to the heart of, okay, hey,
why we do, why do we do kingdom business? Why do we challenge people all the time? You
know, like what, you know, for you, for example, why are you here in the mud in Mozambique?
Why are you here? I love it on kids. Why are you adopting street kids and bringing,
you know, like it's, you know, why, why are you bringing these kids who aren't well house
trained, you know, into your life, into your world? Why are you doing everything that you're
doing? Man, just the fact that there's an engine room that that's burning at the core
of who you are, that's so powerful and so strong. It's this engine room of radical love.
It's just burning and blazing and actually forging a way ahead. And I, man, I would just,
even just right now on a pause and just ask you to pray an impartation for everyone that
that would be the engine room. It's like, because that becomes, you know, it's kind
of a motivational cliche, you know, your why, but when the why is big enough, the how becomes
irrelevant. And yeah, it might be hard to do what Jesus is calling you to do. But when
the why isn't, when there's an engine room at the core of who you are, that's burning
with radical love, the what, the how, everything else becomes irrelevant. So man, even just
we just pause right now, just love you to pray an impartation of that radical love that
came on you guys in that moment.
Yeah, Jesus. Yeah, I pray that across the world globally, Lord, that that radical love
would consume us, that you are the why, we do everything we do. And that you, anything
outside of that would just fall away, that it would be burned, that it would just die,
that we wouldn't go for anything that's outside of that being the center and the core
of all that we do, that it would be the radical love of God, the radical love of you going
to the cross and dying for our sins, that that would be the center of everything we
do, every business transaction, every business decision we make, or ministerial decision,
every leader, pastor, teacher, nurse, doctor, the core of everything we do would be your
love and who you are in the power of the cross and what you've done for us, God, that
outside of that, not everything else is irrelevant. All the whys and the whos are
irrelevant outside of your love and your power. And I just pray an impartation of that
around the globe, everybody that's watching these live streams or watching them after
the fact, that they would have a radical importation right now with a power of your
love that you would overcome them in such a way that they would be radically transformed,
that this would be a cornerstone marker in their lives, that they would be wrecked in
their homes, in the living rooms, in their offices, wherever they are, that they would
have such a radical encounter with you right now, God, that they would
never be the same, that they would never settle for anything less than your power and your
love and that transformational mindset that that would happen amongst all of us to where
every decision and everything we do is based out of that, is out of your radical selfless
love.
It's out of that.
It's not about me.
It's not about me creating a fortune or building this or doing this or being recognized by
any government official.
It's not about that at all.
It's about what the radical love that you've laid down your life on the cross to give me
eternal life coming out of me to everybody around me.
God, I pray that that would be our mindset in everything we do, in every decision we
make, that it would be based on your love and your power and your truth and your goodness.
And as a united body of believers around the world, that if our mindset is that the radical
love of God would come out of us and spill over onto those around us, that would create
kingdom change in every culture, in every community, every tribe, every city, every
nation.
And that would be what changes governments.
That would be what changes and begins the discipleship of nations for your glory.
God, don't let us settle for anything less than that.
Don't let me settle for anything less than that, God.
I pray that you would slam doors in our faces for anything that's outside of that.
Any mindset and mentality that we do out of selfish ambition or out of our own desire
to elevate or self-promote or anything like that would just be slammed in our faces, God,
and we wouldn't be able to go through those doors.
That the only doors we could go through is that radical, laid down, selfless love in
humility to see others encounter you and your goodness.
And I pray that the hearts would be stirred and people would be radically transformed
with that mindset today.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Wow.
Wow, man.
So good.
Wow.
It has to be the center of everything we do because without it, it's wood, hay, and stubble.
It will burn.
It will be tested by fire on the day.
It will be.
So anything we do outside of that is worthless.
It's a waste of our time and life's this short.
And I just feel like, God, that's one thing that's just been stirring in my heart that
my life is this big, it's a vapor, and I want to exhaust every minute I can of my life laid
down in humility, in servanthood, that people would see him and they would see his goodness
and they would see the authenticity of Jesus, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, and
his love would just be manifested in and through our lives to the people around us.
Because outside of that, if we have any motive or any method, anything we want to do outside
of that is worthless and it's a waste of time because it will be burned.
And the only thing that matters is what we build on Christ, on our solid rock, on his
foundation.
It has to be the center of the core of everything we do.
And so that's all we're trying to do is live by that.
Like Jesus, if you're not in it, we're not in it, and show it.
Don't let us be in it because it's easy to act in our flesh.
It's easy to go after this opportunity and that opportunity.
And we just try to live so in tune with the Father that any opportunity, even good ones
that are not his God opportunities, he just slams the door.
We trust him to do that.
Don't let us follow our flesh and even our logical thinking that this is good or great
or could be wonderful.
If he's not in it, we're not in it.
And we live by that.
And I think we all have to live in that place that God's got to be in it and he's got to
be the center of Jesus has to be the core of everything we do.
Right. I love that.
What a what fire, man, what fire.
I just feel that burning right through me and I love it so much.
Wow.
What it makes me think of, and this is so cool, just to bring things back to that
central core of a radical, burning, fiery love.
And that, you know, that reminds me actually reminds me of
some of the most profound moments you have in your life where just love just wrecks you
to the core and you realize, well, it's like you
also touch and connect with the broken heart of the Father.
The space of radical love, you know, like when your wife with a broken jaw,
she's not seeing attackers, she's just seeing.
people that God desperately loves. Yeah. And this is like, to me, that's so central
to the very epicenter. It's the engine room, like you said before. This is the
engine room of everything that moves us and motivates us, is this burning, firing, radical
love. And here's how, for me, just in my mindset, how it works out, I'm like, wow,
it's the nature of love to dream for those outside of ourselves. Your wife
owned it in that moment where preaching the gospel with a broken jaw to the people who just did that
now demonstrates the nature of love just to dream for people. But we've got this
saying that we use a lot, is that it's the nature of love to outdream darkness.
That same fiery love that fuels us to love that one person in front of us there,
it's the same fiery love, that same passion, that same engine room that also causes us to go,
okay, right. Well, what's the nature of love? And I think when we look at what the nature of
love is, we ask ourselves, okay, well, what expressions of evil is love okay with?
What forms of corruption and manipulation and abuse and oppression, tyranny, or what forms of
what forms of evil is love okay with? And for me, it's that type of love there, that radical love
that refuses, it's a fire. And when you let it loose, it says a massive no to anything that's
outside of the value of love. It says no to child trafficking. It says no to kids on the street. It
says no to every form of unrighteousness with this burning, outrageous, passionate no. And it says a
massive yes to yes to heaven in every context. So, I mean, it is radical. It's passionate. It's
on fire. And I just want to say, thank you so much for really bringing people to the core,
because that to me is the core of kingdom business. It's what moved Jesus. It's what
moves the Father and the Spirit. It's what moves heaven. And it's what gets on the inside of us
and stirs us to dream big dreams. Because right now, we're intensely trying to push the envelope
and try to get people to step into a place of limitlessness. And what's the reason? Why do we
say, hey, dream for nations? Why do we push the envelope constantly? It's not for the sake of
you know, entertainment. Yeah. Like you just nailed it right there, man.
Yeah. I just, I feel like God gave us a word several years ago. He's blurring the lines
between ministry and business and using business as a means of ministry. That He was going to
start a global reformation through business. And I believe that's what, that's why I was so excited
when we talked the other day, Benji, about what you guys are doing. It really just like jogged
with what we felt God speak. And so, it's that bringing, it's like letting the separation of
church and state, like just killing that and everything being focused on Him. And through that,
like, if it's about business and you're called to business, that's great and wonderful. God's
called us to business as well alongside what we're doing. It's the mentality of the church
it's the mentality in where we are and whatever stream we're in and what God's called us to,
that the focus, the core is Him and His love. Because through that, all the other stuff
comes with it. And so, we need people that are making millions of dollars around the world,
that are funding kingdom work, that are able to have the connection in favor with government to
reach people and stuff like that through finances or whatever it may be. But it's all about that
core and what's in here in our hearts and where we are. And that our heart is right in every motive
and everything we do. And it's about Him and nothing less and nothing more than bringing
glory to God. And so, through that, like, I fully, fully, fully, fully believe with every bit of my
being, if we live in that and try to live so in tune with the Holy Spirit, that anything outside
of God moving and being on it, we don't want anything to do with it. That is what's going to
create radical change.
change cultures and discipline through business, through ministry, the two go hand in hand
through whatever stream that we're running in and God wants it to be fun amidst all that
hard stuff.
We've had the funnest time of our life.
It's the greatest adventure we've ever been on and it don't stop.
There are some extreme lows that are quite scary, but then God takes us to these extreme
highs as well where he just shows up and pulls us out of those dark places and just moves
mightily and shows us his goodness through it and he showed us how he was even there
in that attack with us in the room.
That's what actually transferred my wife's thinking and the way the love of God welled
up in her to overflow on these guys in that room when the guy was trying to rape her.
She said she was praying, she was like, God, stop this man, stop this man, and then all
of a sudden her prayer changed and she saw Jesus in the room and he loved that man as
much as he loved her.
And that's what shifted her mentality when she's like, I love him just as much as I love
you and my heart's just as much for him as it is you.
And there's no, there's nothing like that in the world, that kind of love and it's real
and we can experience it.
That was able to rise up in my wife in a situation that it shouldn't happen naturally, it doesn't
make sense to love somebody who just beat you and broke your jaw and tried to rape you
and stripped off all your clothes and just humiliated you and abused you to love that
man and love him purely with no other agenda, but to love him and for him to encounter the
love we've encountered.
That's what it's all about.
That's got to be the center of everything we do.
And in the business world, like I feel like there's so many people in here that are called
the business, obviously is this is a business kingdom summit.
If your mentality in every transaction and everything you do is what does Jesus want
to do?
How does he want to reveal himself?
How does he want to love people?
How does he want to transform this company or this business or this city through business?
That is what the kingdom business is all about.
It's about cultural change, real transformational change that shakes cities and shakes states
and shakes countries.
That is how we can change the world is by uniting in every aspect, everything we do
and only having the mindset of the radical love of God's got to come over the people
that we're encountering day in and day out.
Come on, man.
Wow.
See what's doing the I can see the deep things staring in you.
I'm on mute there.
There you go.
Yeah, I'm just I'm just encouraged.
I think the it's it's so it's sometimes you just it's hard to know exactly like what what
to say and inside this because the we don't often hear messages of business in and on
the same stage as a radical life of surrender and a radical life of like, you know, time
of laying your life down.
But it's the it's the it's the dream at the end of the day, it's the it's the goal.
The part of the in the pursuit of discipling the nations really is the call to to lay your
life down.
And it's hard to even consider or perceive a life where where surrender isn't a part
of the conversation.
You know, some of the stuff that we get up to is is is crazy.
It's you know, it's it's government, it's business.
It's all the same stuff, even on opposite sides of the world.
And yet, you know, the message is still the same.
The methodology is still the same.
The Jesus is still the same.
You know, it's just Yeah, so it's just I'm inspired.
I'm encouraged.
So yeah.
Yeah, man.
I don't know if I have any questions.
I'm just, you know, just encouraged by the story.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, Nick, what an absolute blessing that's been and really cool as well in the conversations
that we've had around business, I think just a couple of kind of last stories, and then
we'll close it in.
But it's really cool as well that you're there, you are even in.
You know, like you're in Africa, but I mean, it's the same same opportunities wherever
you are in the world right now.
And so it's really cool as well, because we're talking, you know, I know what it's like trying
to fund a ministry as well.
And you got, you know, you got big bills and you expand and you dream more.
And it's like flip, you know, like responsibility comes with that infrastructure has its cost
has its monthlies, weeklies, all of that.
So it's just really cool as well, like in the midst of this and the conversations that
we're having around.
how to create wealth. And what I love for you, one of the
conversations we're having around crypto and crypto mining
and some of the cool opportunities that we're talking
about is that it doesn't matter where you are in the world right
now, these opportunities are opening up for people to create
wealth. And what I love is, you know, like you can fuse radical
love with, with wisdom. And this is basically what we actually
one of the places we really started today was, you know,
it's got to be pure hearts and pure minds. But it's also got to
be partnered with wisdom, you know. And when we do that, we
come into this place where men things that really lighting up
and that fusion of pure hearts and wisdom, which, which for you
is really one of your stories. I'm keen just this kind of last
story, but you started a construction business that when
the floods hit, it was that construction business that
you've been able to leverage all your, you know, all the
equipment that you have there to actually go and serve, serve
the people which in turn open up the door, you know, you're
serving the poorest of the poor, but that service with your
business materials and things that a construction company is
one of the keys that actually opened up the door to one of the
most powerful people in Mozambique.
Yeah, yeah. Um, for us, yeah, like we've got big dreams, big
vision. And I think if if anybody doesn't have that,
you're not running with Jesus because he wants to do big
things. Come on, you got real good. We can't. We just got you
got to whoever everyone who's listening live or in the replay,
you just got to hear that. And you got to say this to yourself
as well. Jesus wants to do big things through me. That's so on
point. So on point.
Jesus used a bunch of poor fishermen, poor fishermen, like
in raggedy taddy boats. And he did big, big things. He wants
to do big, big things. He wants you to dream big. And the shame
and the guilt of the enemy is a bunch of bullcrap that has got
people bound that they can't do big things. God knows we're
broken. Me and my wife, we ain't got it together. We ain't got it
all figured out. We are jacked up broken people making mistakes
left and right. But we say yes, Lord, in his mercy and grace
comes over us and he uses us amidst our brokenness, amidst
all of our crack and failures, he still uses us. And he wants
to use every single one of us in a big way to dream and do big
things. When I started really tapping into that and pursuing
God about how are we going to do these big things and big dreams
and big visions? How are we going to impact this nation? He
told me he said, well, use the gifts and skill sets I've given
you and what you love to do. And I love to build and I've got a
construction engineering background. And God's like, use
it right here in Mozambique. And I thought, well, I've been
training 15, 20 guys here building our boys home and
stuff. I've trained them. And all of a sudden, I got all these
expats in the community saying, Hey, can you come build this for
us and do this for us? Because you're doing the best
construction in the city, because we do it in excellence
and kingdom is excellence in all we do. And so through that, that
opened those doors, then we get floods. And here's an
opportunity, we can go literally, and there's 274
families been relocated to a place in the bush. And they've
allocated 25 hectares of land, and they've got canvas tents,
they've given these families that don't breathe, and it's 40
degrees here. And they're sleeping outside on the ground.
And God says, take your guys and your equipment and go start
building houses and believe me for it. And we've got the funds
to build three or four houses already. And we're believing in
for more. But through that, and just showing up and serving,
we've got government officials walking up that are out there
trying to sort things with UNICEF and all these big global
organizations. And here we are these little guys, and they're
like, what are y'all doing? Why are you here? And we're like,
we're just here loving people. And we're trying to serve. And
then we get appointment with one of the most powerful ladies in
the country, Secretary of State over this province. And she's
like, give us God's ideas. How do we change and create change?
How do we prevent the people going back into flooding again,
and things like that. So it is through servanthood, and just
showing up and serving and being real, and not trying to get
anything out of it, no agenda, but to love people, they
encounter God, and serve them and love them. And through that,
yeah, these doors are being opened for a greater impact for
us to influence and have favor with other people that we're
believing are also going to encounter the love of God. And
then this nation will be decided.
Man, come on. That's so well run. Just blown away.
by the time to get us so stirred, so lit up, so energized.
And I think just maybe as we come to a close,
it'd be just so good to have you just to pray
specifically into that line of like dreaming big,
that people will just be lit up,
that a radical and not lit up to dream big,
just out of selfish ambition,
but that radical love would be let loose
on the inside of them to start out dreaming darkness
and dreaming real big for what God has for them.
So, man, if you wanna wrap us up with that,
that would just be wild.
Yeah, Jesus, I just pray for everybody listening in
and that are gonna watch this later, God,
that yeah, you just put big dreams on, big vision,
and that you'd break off the mindset
that I'm not good enough, or who am I to do big things,
that you are sons and daughters of the King of kings,
what could he not do through you?
He wants to use you, so we declare that today,
and we declare that you will do big things,
you will be used to create change in your community,
in your family, in your city, in your state or your country,
that God wants to use you to do big things,
and anything else beyond believing him
to move in and through you as a son or daughter
is a lie of the enemy, and we break it off in Jesus' name.
And I pray that the truth and the love of God
would overcome every single person that watches this,
and that you encounter him in a way that you know
that the goodness of the Father will overcome,
and that radical love will rise up in you,
and he wants to use you to do big things.
So Lord, we pray for dreams and visions,
signs and wonders to come over people,
and that the lies of the enemy be broken off,
and that people would step forward into the purposes
and plans you have for them.
And I just feel like saying this,
I think we overcomplicate things too much,
and it's not that complicated.
Jesus is a good father, and he gave you dreams and desires,
he gave you passions and things you love to do.
If you're confused about where to go and what to do,
take the gifts he's given you and the things you love
and find a place to activate it,
to be used and for him to use you.
And as you move, I feel like God,
a lot of times in the church,
we sit and we wait on God for this billboard sign
because somebody else got it, this big prophecy.
And a lot of times God moves on our move.
So when we start moving, he starts aligning us
in the right places to do the right things.
So take the dreams and passions and what God's put in you
and the things you love and find a place you can use it
to do kingdom.
Just start implementing that mentality of Jesus,
you work through me, use my gift, use my talent,
use my job or whatever I do to bring you glory.
And through that, God's gonna start moving and doing things
and you're gonna see a shift in and around you
in your business or whatever it may be as you do that.
And I think a lot of the dreams and visions
will follow that because you're activating.
Faith without works is dead.
And I believe that's all about us activating our faith
and moving and expecting, living in expectancy
that God's gonna move in and through us
as we go throughout our day and do whatever we do.
So bless you guys with that.
And yeah, just thank y'all Benji and Sebastian
for what you're doing,
raising royalty in this business kingdom summit,
just praying that people are lit a fire,
a blaze around the world like truthfully
that people would just go radically on fire out of this
and just start really living on purpose, on mission.
And that we just unify with one common denominator
around the globe that Jesus died on the cross
for us and our sin.
We need a savior and he's the only way.
And we run together, link arms and run together.
So bless you guys for what you're doing.
I pray that God continues to use you all mightily
to shake people up and set people on fire,
to go, to create funds, to live abundant and blessed
and to do the radical stuff that God's calling you to.
Come on, man.
Well, thank you so much.
That was just, that was pure fire.
And we're so honored and so lit up
and so grateful for what you've just brought my man.
So thanks, bud.
Thank you guys.
Any questions from you, my man?
No, great to meet you.
Great to meet you, Nick.
I'm honored to spend some time with you.
So thank you for your time.
Yeah, great to meet you too, Sebastian, bless you.
Love to hear from you, Nick.
Thanks so much.
Love to the family and so excited for everything.
It's coming for you guys as you disciple a nation.
You guys are on fire and we're 100% behind you.
So bless you, my man.
Thanks guys, bless you.
See ya.