There we are.
All right, fam.
How we doing.
Think we had.
I think we're streaming.
Nearly there.
That's it.
We're there. We're there. Yep.
Rock and roll.
This is real life.
Yes.
Oh my goodness.
What a delight family. What a delight.
It is to have Jason Cobb with us and.
One of the most humble guys around, but also a real hero for me in this.
Everything that he carries and how he carries it, you're going to love this session with Jason.
It's just so beautiful.
So Jason, it's your morning there. How are you doing? How are you feeling?
Benji doing good doing, doing great.
I just pulled away to a quiet place in our campus because this time in the morning here, it's quite noisy.
All the kids having their baths and getting scrubbed up and, you know, noises will come.
So I just pulled away to a quiet place.
Yeah.
Very, very nice.
We're going to hear more very shortly about where you are and what's unfolding and who all these kids are.
But Sam, my man, how are you doing? This is session 17 in the summit.
How are you vibing?
I'm firing. I'm firing. I am just pumped.
Just feel a real, real energy and real grace just over this whole thing.
And so, yeah, it's just been an awesome weekend and where we've got so much goodness to go.
So it's there's some sneaky surprises in there for us all, I think.
So I'm excited. It's good stuff.
Absolutely. Hey, well, yeah, I mean, I can actually I can still feel myself vibrating.
You know, it's like the I'm just like, whoa, everything that God is doing.
It's kind of like you get the synergy of what everyone's bringing and then on, you know, like what everyone's bringing.
You get that synergy and then it's like God's breathing on it all as well.
So it feels like I've actually had this before at conferences where God's doing something so significant in you that you actually feel this vibration going on inside of you.
It's like, whoa, something's shaking, like really structurally on the core of who you are.
And then I've come out of it. And in a sense, it's like God has rewired my brain, like beyond just there's something that can happen as well.
It's beyond what you're able to do just in the normal process of repentance.
But you can get in an atmosphere that actually expands your capacity to think alongside the mind of Christ, beyond just what you would normally do in praying and reading your Bible.
There's atmospheres that you can get amongst, communities that you can get amongst, fire that you can get amongst.
And when you get in that space, it's like, boom, the way that God touches you as you come out of that with an expanded capacity, a little bit like the matrix, you know, like Neo's kind of like, whoa, I know Kung Fu.
It's a little bit like that, but just this massive expansion. So feeling it shaking, vibrating and full of anticipation for this session now with Jason.
And Jason, if you just want to lead us in some beautiful prayer and counter time, just open up the space and maybe even just create a little bit of a space for fresh encounter for people and just lead it however you want.
I'm excited and so, so honored to have you here and everyone who's out there live or for the replay. Hello, hello. What a delight to have you all with us.
It's so good having our team with us from all around the world. I was feeling the glory on it. You guys are amazing.
So I'm just watching your comments down here as I speak to you. So hello, hello. Lots of people saying hi to Jason and feeling that explosion, the expansion, which is exciting.
So Jason, why don't you take it away for us with some, some beautiful prayer.
Father, we give you praise.
We give you praise. We thank you for this summit, this business summit. We thank you that it's like a precursor to the glory and splendor of the nations being presented to you.
This is like a gathering of the glory and splendor of the nations being brought to give glory and honor to you.
We give you thanks Jesus for all that you've done for us, all that you are doing for us.
is extending. Jesus, you are seated in heaven, and Lord, you are pouring out. You are filling
the earth with yourself. You are filling the earth with your glory. And we thank you that
you are filling this conference online and through Zoom. You are filling even this gathering
here. We thank you, Jesus, that you are just extending your kingdom in and through us.
We give you praise, Lord. We thank you, sweet Holy Spirit, that you are here with us. You
are the manifestation of the Father and the Son. You are here with us, and we thank you
that you are flowing in and through this. And everyone that will hear this in the days
to come, you are flowing through this. And Lord, we just give you praise, sweet Spirit
of God. We just welcome your presence to be here. We welcome your open heaven to be here,
and we thank you. Beautiful Trinity, we thank you. We thank you for Benji. We thank you
for this beautiful family. We thank you for Sebastian and his beautiful family. We just
bless everyone gathered here. We thank you for raising royalty. Father, we thank you
for this amazing family that is growing in the earth. In Jesus' name, I pray.
Amen. Wow. So much goodness. Man, I really caught that just then when you just said,
you know, expanding his kingdom in us. I just want to really encourage everyone right now,
you know, that God wants to advance his kingdom in us. He actually wants his kingdom to expand
its territory within you. The kingdom of heaven is within you, and it actually wants
to expand on the inside of you. And that expansion comes through agreement. So, Jason, first
of all, why don't you tell us a little bit about where you are? Oh, there we go. A little
bit of happiness. Whose happiness is that? It was just random. That was someone's happiness
exploding out here. That's great. Hey, so what would be great, Jason, why don't you
just start by unpacking for us where you are? And I know you've got to be a little bit discreet
in some contexts, but as much as you're able or feel comfortable, tell us where you are,
what's happening around you, and who are all these beautiful children you're talking about?
So thanks, Benji. I'm a Kiwi. I married a beautiful Indian lady called Andrea, and so
I call myself a Kindian. I'm a Kiwi Indian. I love New Zealand, but I have come to really
love India. India is now my home. And the Lord sent us to quite a remote part of India
up into the mountains in a beautiful place, like mountains and rivers and valleys and
beautiful lakes and beautiful people. This is a land of the tribes. There are like 47
tribes here in this land, all with different languages and different costumes and tattoos
and nose rings and jewelry and, you know, different colorful saris and different ways
of dressing them. It really is a beautiful and exotic land, but it's been a land that's
faced a lot of struggle, a lot of tough stuff. And so, yeah, the Lord has brought us to what
was a really tough land, but we are seeing things change, and that's what we're here
for. That's why Jesus sent us.
Come on. That's beautiful. So, you're in a children's home. Who are these kids? Where
do they come from?
So I married Andrea, and so Andrea has come from three generations of running schools
and children's homes. So I also traveled around the world and come to India, and India
just like triggered in my heart big time. So we, you know, we were New Zealand, we were
South India, and then the Lord opened up an amazing door for us to come here to this place.
And he actually gifted to us a beautiful piece of land, three acres, with a basic school
building on, and that's become our home. And so, yeah, because of Andrea's life, you know,
she's grown up in a children's home. So it was natural that we started a home here. And
so, yeah, it's like 18.
it's coming to 20 years that we've been having kids with us and many hundreds of kids. In fact,
last week, we just went to a wedding of one of our girls and a number of kids gathered. And,
you know, so now there's a doctor, there's engineers, you know, there's teachers,
and there's just really beautiful kids that have come through our hands out there and just sharing
the love and building into their communities. And it's just, it's a joy. And here, you know, today,
I come out in the mornings, we, Andrew, and I come out in the morning, and, you know, we would
get like 50 good morning, dads, good morning, mom. And that, you know, there's nothing that can
compare with that. You know, these kids have been born here, they've come in a very, very small,
most would not have survived had they not come here. So it's a real mercy. And, you know, just
that deep sense of, you know, love and connectivity that we can pour into pour our lives into
a bunch of kids, and just brings deep sense of fulfillment. And, yeah, it's gold. It's gold.
Oh, man. Yeah, that sounds so good. I love it. So, so powerful.
Jason, I'm wondering, did you meet your wife in India? Or do you meet her in New Zealand? How did
how did that work? And, and, you know, from there, I'm curious, like, when when you were first
established in India, how did that? How did that dynamic work? Was that an easy transition that
did that? Was that easy? Just just interested and curious.
Hmm. Okay. Thanks for that question. So, Andrea was 17 years old, and she was studying at Faith
Bible College in Welcome Bay, Taronga. So I went to a party, a farewell party at Pine Garoa. And
this young Indian girl was there wearing a churidar. And she was very beautiful. And
I had just returned from, you know, one year in India. And so it was natural for me to go and
talk with her. And yeah, then we chatted. And those days, I had long hair and was wearing beads.
And, you know, probably not the kind of guy that she wanted to talk with. But anyway, Jesus was
the center of the conversation. And yeah, it was beautiful. So that was the first meeting. The next
day, we met as well at a hangi. And yeah, then I asked, you know, we swapped dresses, and I began
to write to her. And it was seven years after that time of meeting that we married and the Lord
was in that whole journey. We married in New Zealand. Interesting. You know, I grew up on
Pukahina Beach, just a little down the coast from Benji, beautiful, beautiful piece of New Zealand,
you know, six kilometers of beach, like I was the only one there. You know, I could walk the beach.
So really, you know, simple family, mom, dad, and me for quite a few years, then brother and sister
came later. So I was used to a very small kind of insular family, a lot of space to myself.
When Andrea came to New Zealand after marriage, she just like struggled with isolation. She was
like, really, you know, she just didn't couldn't handle it, actually. So she wanted to go back home.
So we went back to New Zealand, sorry, back to India. And there for me, it was a real change.
Like Andrea would sit on the bed and 20 other people would sit on the bed as well. And I would
like being like a quiet space, private space for me. So I had to go through that whole thing of,
you know, insular and community and being part of a community, a big family. Now I love it. Now I
just, you know, 20 years down the track, I just love community. I love the big family. I love,
you know, just sharing the love. That's awesome. What about what about the, you know, your pursuit
of the gospel and the region you're in? And was that was that received? Well, was the gospel
that that net? Was that an actual thing that helped navigate the space there? And how did
that go? Did that just naturally develop as the homes developed? Or how did that happen?
Okay, so in the early years, things were really tough. I mean, things were really, really tough.
Andrea had come from quite stable, you know, environments in the south of India.
The family had built up many schools and homes. The south of India has a lot more
Christian heritage, doesn't it? It does, it does Benji. You even have the,
the Apostle Thomas, right, made it all the way to into the south of India. And he was there for
over a decade ministering there. And you'll probably know this.
story better than myself but do you know the story of him you know like and the brahmin
uh the brahmin class can can you tell that if you know that story i just it's a great story
well um so it's true um because our children have actually asked thomas in heaven and yes he did
throw the water into the air as like a as like a challenge and it did suspend in the air they've
actually asked him that question and uh yeah our kids have actually got to meet thomas and jesus
gave our children a gift and it was like a taurus scroll box and it had a scroll inside and the
kids asked jesus what is this and uh and jesus said it's because thomas was the first one that
brought the gospel to india and so our kids got to present that gift to him when they went to his
mansion that's so cool that's going to be opening a little bit of a can of good worms which we're
going to explore in a minute but yeah if you don't know that story of thomas he was he was there for
like a decade ministering to kind of the poorer class and not you know make like seeing signs and
wonders and miracles and seeing some great stuff happen but it's the brahmin class which is a higher
class of society that he was ministering he was trying to get an in in road into and nothing
happened but they worship the sun right and each morning they would come down and worship the sun
as part of it they would throw their worship they would go into the water and they would throw the
water over their shoulders as part of the worship ritual am i am i right on roughly on track with
that um definitely water is involved in the worship yes yeah and so anyway there was basically
this conversation type confrontation type challenge where they said to thomas i you know
where thomas said hey i'm going to throw this water up it's going to suspend as a sign you know
that jesus is the true god and um so it was roughly along those lines and he threw the water up and
the water suspended in the air and when they saw that this high class a brahmin uh group just
converted to christianity which opened up this beautiful heritage but now if you go to kerala
or southern you know southern india it's like wow there's this real rich heritage because this high
class of society was actually transformed through this amazing uh miracle that thomas you know like
that thomas performed there that really when you go there to southern india and kerala area it's
like wow this is amazing it's got this huge heritage of centuries of christianity there
but probably not the same story when you went to where you are now so it was tough benji it was
tough you know and in those early days um we were beaten we were spat at we urinated on uh we had a
beautiful building and land that was unjustly stolen from us um yeah it was tough it was really
really hard we you know um i'm a foreigner i'm from outside andrea was you know accused of being
a betrayer of mother india for marrying a foreigner um yeah those days were really really tough
you know 2007 we were really attacked by a big group of people from another community
and uh you know they evicted us from a building and they threw all our stuff out on the road
i actually didn't i wasn't present to see it but my wife had to handle all that horrible stuff
and we had to move our kids and our staff out of that building um and come down to this land
that we were now but it was so humiliating it was so shameful uh chanting mantras against us and just
saying they'll shave our heads and march us down the main street they really you know they really
worked to chase us out of town they didn't want people like us into town tough days a year later
2008 you know there was this real persecution that broke out broke out in another mountain range but
it actually spread into our area you know 60,000 christians were made homeless it was the biggest
assault upon christians in in indian history actually 600 villages were raised um there was
martyrdom uh different figures but it was true and so we um we also got you know caught up and
all that as well here and our friend's school was burnt down we saw fires burning in the streets like
you know the neighbors would taunt us over the fence tonight they're coming for you you know so
we really um and most of the leaders and christian community from this town kind of left and went to
safer places
But because we had kids, we stayed,
we made praise in those days that were really, really deep.
It's like we were looking at eternity in those days
because people were getting killed
and we were already had been attacked and we were known.
So we were broken.
I can't say fear hit us
because we were kind of growing in the Lord,
but there was tension, there was real tension.
One day we saw bikes racing towards us
and the next village, which is a Christian village,
all the young men ran out with swords
and spears and pieces of wood.
And they actually buffeted and stopped this gang
that was coming towards us and the village.
So it was tough, guys.
It was tough.
Yeah.
But I've heard you talk about this, Benji,
that when things get tough,
things can actually shift and change.
I think no one knew about this land of Orissa much,
but there was international prayer
going on around the world.
It was like prayer going up
because so many people were being killed.
Since that time, there was this email forwarded around
about being praying for these Christians in Orissa
who were about to be executed.
I think it's still doing the rounds.
Sometimes someone just gets it and they're like,
oh my gosh, and they forwarded on this prayer
for Christians in Orissa who were about to get executed.
Even probably not that long ago,
I got it again as a Facebook message saying,
please pray.
I was like, yeah, that was a little while ago,
but keep praying.
So yeah, so they've really definitely done the rounds
on the prayers.
It's been going around the world for years.
So definitely people have been praying for Orissa
and those really horrendous season of events.
Amazing.
So I believe that that international prayer focus,
because prayer is the vehicle for huge power.
So the prayer focus for Orissa
began to create opportunities.
And a little time after that,
I went up to rescue a tank
that was being blown off the roof
and I fell off the roof and broke my leg.
And so I was immobilized for three months,
just in a cast.
And with all the pressure we were broken,
we were just feeling so,
should we go back to New Zealand?
Should we go back to South where it's much easier?
So every day, multiple times a day,
we'd go and sit up on the roof that I fell from
and just began to pray.
And our children began to gather with us
and they would kind of carry my Bible up on thing,
the guitar up on the roof.
And we just began to pray
and we began to sing
and we, because there were no schools,
schools weren't operating then.
And we had more time on our hands
and I'm usually quite a busy guy doing all sorts of stuff,
but I was immobilized.
So I just spent more time in prayer focus.
So, you know, the more we prayed,
the more freedom that came
and many kids had come to us from the persecuted zones
and they were broken,
they were worried about their family.
So, you know, a joy began to come,
a freedom, a tangible presence of God
began to come as we prayed.
Creative songs began to come
and the Lord gave me a Bible verse
that became the pivotal verse for our journey.
It refocused us.
It took our focus off, you know,
the hard things that were happening,
the evil things that were happening
and it put our focus on heaven.
And so it's Ephesians chapter one and verse 10,
a time to come where all things in heaven
and on the earth will unite together under one head Christ.
That whole, that just like sparked in me,
sparked in us like something, the Lord was on it.
The whole thing of uniting heaven and earth
through Christ Jesus,
as we realized that that was probably speaking
about a time in the future,
but just the whole thing,
now, come on, let's see how much of heaven
we can get in our life now.
That's the second time that verse has been quoted today.
Boyd quoted that verse earlier
and it was very, very beautiful.
So having that come up again today
is a fantastic, fantastic moment.
What a verse.
The whole thing of the union of both realms,
that the reconciliation of both realms,
the joining together of both realms,
the perfect heaven and this broken earth,
you know, from Eden where things were an open heaven
to the end of the revelation with finally
the dwelling of God, the habitation of God is with man,
knowing God's beginning and end,
but we're in this tough, tough land middle spot
where things are not looking good.
So, yeah, and the more we prayed,
the more this presence began to manifest.
And you imagine the praise from all around the world as well.
It's like waiting for a place to download.
And Benji, joy began to break out.
Just joy, the after joy.
Yeah, the kids, you know, I've got memories in my head
of the kids like sweeping the cow shed floor,
you know, like cow dung and straw,
and just like being overwhelmed by the presence of God
and rolling, holding their bellies in joy,
like just rolling in all the dirt.
You know, girls sweeping the front yard
and just collapsing in a bundle of joy
and rolling on the ground and then folding clothes.
I remember one day folding clothes on the bed
and all of a sudden one sister,
she got overwhelmed with joy.
So joy began to come with the tangible presence of God.
And it, this went on for three months.
The Lord gave songs, songs became such a key thing.
Just, they became,
I think we entered into the divine dance, Benji.
You speak so powerfully into that.
I think we entered into the divine dance.
That the scripture focused on heaven,
like an intense focus on heaven, like never before.
And singing and dancing, dancing would break out.
And so prayer would usually be half an hour,
morning and night.
It's always what we do in India.
And, but the prayer meetings would go on for hours
and the kids would dance, like culturally Christians,
like dancing is considered to be, you know,
a bit of a no-go,
but the kids would break out in their tribal dances,
you know, in his presence,
and just like read that deep stuff within them.
And the singing, the dancing, the focus on heaven,
the joy, the peace, it was like walking in.
What it was like?
It was getting rich.
It was getting strong.
So 21st of October, 2009,
Andrea hits me in the morning.
Angels, angels are in the room.
And so she has a really clear,
open vision of angels in the room.
And then that afternoon, one of our sisters-
Did you say 21st?
I just wanted to make sure I got that data.
I wanted to lock it in my mind.
Yeah, 21st of October, 2009.
Okay.
So we're talking about, you know-
Yeah.
Yeah, over a decade ago, 12 years ago.
One of our sisters felt this very strong tingling
and buzzing, the same tingling you're talking about, Benji.
And she just like was drawn into her room.
And she just got on her knees and she said,
Lord, I don't want to see angels.
I want to see you.
She closes her eyes.
She opens her eyes, but she's not in the room.
She's in another place.
A beautiful, beautiful garden.
Beautiful garden.
She was actually there with, you know, full faculty,
just like we're in the space now.
It was so real for her.
And beside her, in front of her,
was this pillar of light,
rainbow colored that was swirling and buzzing.
And this beautiful voice came from the pillar and said,
welcome to my kingdom.
And it was a manifestation of the Holy Spirit to her.
And that same manifestation has been with her
day and night, eyes open since then.
Whoa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And what's so interesting about that girl,
when she grew up,
she was like scared of talking about the Holy Spirit
because a visiting preacher had said,
if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, you'll go to hell,
you know?
So she just like was so scared of even saying his name,
saying, yeah.
So the Holy Spirit has been her personal companion,
like the Holy Spirit descended upon the form of love.
Yes, the Holy Spirit has manifested to Joe
and to our community in the form of a pillar of light.
Of course, we have Old Testament pillar of fire by day
and a pillar of fire by night and a pillar of cloud by day.
Oh, come on.
The next day we were having prayer
and the presence of God was getting so strong.
In the room, singing and praising and dancing
and a bunch of girls just on the ground
and joy, laughing, rolling.
They, it was about 20 minutes, we continued to pray.
They opened their eyes together
and they all told the most amazing story
that as they were dancing and praising,
the whole room went bright, bright light.
And out of the bright light
came these beautiful, beautiful people.
And they had wings and they were beautifully dressed
and they could see the faces with such detail.
They could see the wings and the feathers.
It wasn't just like a blur of light,
it was actually like full.
And these angels, they looked down,
they could see their bodies,
their physical bodies on the ground.
And they looked at each other
and they had different kinds of bodies.
They were shining, they were glowing,
they were beautifully dressed.
came alongside of them, they linked their arms and they leapt and they flew with great speed.
There was a bright, bright light, brilliant light. They flew into the light and all of a sudden they
landed on their feet and they were also standing in a beautiful, beautiful garden with brilliantly
colored green grass, all manicured trees, leaves of all different colors, fruit on the trees.
And one of the girls said to the angel, what is this place? And the angel said, this is paradise,
this is the garden of God. And that night they ate fruit like anything. They ate fruit, they'd
known they eat fruit they didn't know. And then they went to a river and they walked on the water,
Benji, they walked on the water and they went under the water and they could breathe under
the water with fish and all that stuff. They danced, they celebrated, they praised,
there were other children. And then the angel said, come on, it's time to go. And they
movement again. And all of a sudden they appeared, they were back in their bodies.
So for them, it was like, it wasn't just an internal vision, they actually left their bodies
and they were caught up into heaven. And there they were beautifully dressed. They had bodies
that could eat, that could fly, that could do whatever they thought to do and spoke to do.
So anyway, they came back down, we heard that testimony and we were just like, what is that?
And Benji, that same experience has gone on pretty much every day for 12 years.
Wow.
So what happened was basically a portal opened over our campus and a beautiful, beautiful
tunnel of light from our campus up into heaven itself, where the flow of heavenly life is
just so beautiful and easy. And so now, behind the veil in this campus, it's three acres,
behind the veil, it's not like three acres, it's like 30 acres. And it's actually, the kids have
told me this hundreds of times, there are trees have been planted spiritually behind the veil,
there are trees planted, there are butterflies, there are creatures walking about, there are
angels in trees, there are angels moving, walking with people, there are angels flying up and down.
So it really is an open heaven, there's a river flowing, it's full of treasure, it's full of
beautiful stones and treasures that have come out of heaven. So it is actually a union of the two
realms have actually joined together in this three-acre campus and that light, that radiance,
that glory of God has actually shone out into this town and into this whole land. And it's not just
hundreds of times I've heard the story from our children and different children that they get
awakened and, you know, the first things they tell us is the same thing. So it's true, it's real, heaven
is real, Jesus is real, he is the king of glory, we're not issuing a man-made thing, it's absolutely
real. So yeah, come on then, ask me something. Oh, I just love that so much. So how are you seeing that
process of hosting an open heaven now, like how is that actually impacting your community? Are you
seeing that shift, you know what I mean, because you host an atmosphere like that of an open heaven
and it's tangible. What's the impact of hosting in the atmosphere of an open heaven in your community?
So the Lord gave us many promises, you know, many things for to be outworked, like it's receiving
a seed, a promise, you're, you know, you're big on the dreams, Benji, you're cutting edge
on the dreams, but we understand something of what you're saying, because we too have been given
promises, and so we've been given promises for this place to be a center of healing.
We've seen all sorts of amazing miracles, Benji. This place to be like a hospital where people
come in sick and walk out healed, and we've seen people come in sick and walk out healed,
and we've seen people come in sick and walk out healed, and we've seen people come in sick and
an amazing work where, you know, multitudes, hundreds, thousands turn to Him.
We haven't seen the full manifestation of that yet. That's still coming, but something has been
happening, Benji, that I can understand now why the Lord is doing it in a progression.
You remember by the testimony that we were like, they just tried to drive us out of town,
and there was such anger and aggression against us. We were the enemy.
We came to a point about four years ago where we got a whole lot more kids, and we were
financially, like, struggling. It was getting pretty tough. Our children numbers doubled.
The government was sending kids to us. They weren't helping us, but we were, like, feeling
the load of the extra kids coming in. And also, you know, the authorities were seeing us with
favor. And so, they were sending us women that were having needs, that were being trafficked,
that were being in child marriages and stuff. So, anyway, the numbers were increasing.
I did a message on Father, send the camels, Isaiah chapter 60, the camels of Midian,
you know, bringing the blessings and the gold and the frankincense and myrrh, the spices. And so,
I gave a message, Father, send the camels, Father, send the camels. It became our daily prayer.
And, you know, we began to see something quite strange happen, something quite unusual,
that people from the other community in our hometown began to come, and they began to bring
blessings, especially food. And, you know, over the last four years, I just did a count,
over a thousand meals for our kids have come from the outside community,
between five and 10,000 people have come, because it's not just one or two will come,
they'll come with a family, they'll come with a whole team, sometimes 100 will come,
200 will come. And these are people from other community. And, you know, these are people that
were against us, they were, you know, and some of them are the high caste Brahmins of our town,
and, you know, the business people, and they are coming not just bringing rough food, but this is
like star hotel food, like the best they can bring. And our kids are just overwhelmed with
such amazing food, and also clothing, and children's school items, that kind of stuff.
But now we can see, now we understand, we've asked a lot about this, his presence, his presence,
his presence in this place is drawing people in. And as they draw people in, his presence is
nourishing them, and blessing them. And as they give opportunity, as we always pray for them in
Jesus name, and as they open their hearts to that, the Lord is doing work in them, and healing,
and freeing, and the angels are working around them to cut stuff off and to shift things and
change things. So there is a, we were the enemy, now we are being favored. And our kids, they come,
these high caste people are feeding our kids. And in the caste system, they would see our kids
as like the low caste, the untouchables, but they are feeding our kids, they are feeding food in
their mouths. It's such a radical shift of the worldview. And it's coming because of the drawing,
you know, it says that no one can come to Christ because the father draws them. I understand this
myself, because many years ago, I was on a bus, I was a part-time Hare Krishna, I was journeying
with the Krishnas, I was studying the Bhagavad Gita, I was just fascinated by the whole, you know,
India thing. And I was in the back of a bus traveling from Auckland to Tauranga. And I was
chanting this mantra, I had my beads. And I saw the back of a man's head in the front of a bus.
And I just felt compelled to go and sit next to him and talk to him, I couldn't like shake it,
it was so heavy. I got up, I walked down the bus, sat next to him. And I said, Sir, I don't know why,
but I really feel I need to talk to you. And I'd be just been chanting mantras to another deity.
And he said, praise the Lord, has anyone ever told you about Jesus? And I got my first ever,
like pure gospel message. And so I was drawn to hear that. Cornelius Factor. Cornelius was a
God fearer, he had some knowledge of God, but the angel said that, that God has heard your prayers
and seen your giving to the poor, and it has come up as a memorial to heaven. So that is happening
to the people of our town, that they are coming and they're being drawn by his presence. They've
got good hearts, they're beautiful people. They're beautiful people. And I know what the Lord is
doing. The more they come, the more they serve us.
serving Him, they're blessing Him, they're blessing the Lord actually, and He will reciprocate
by giving them more of His glory.
Jesus is the light unto all men.
So good.
Now, there's also some like in the context of an open heaven, you guys are seeing some
other dynamic manifestations.
What are you seeing in the space of people coming on that don't know Jesus, but are actually
having physical responses to the glory of God that's there?
Yeah.
Many have said, what is this place?
What is this place?
There is so much peace here.
Some have actually fallen over on the ground because they've been so overwhelmed by, we
know it's His presence.
Some can't get up from their chairs, can't leave.
They just stay on.
I mean, we're busy with all sorts of stuff and people are just like, hang on, hang on.
So yeah, there is a real, that they are encountering His tangible presence.
That's crazy.
And miracle provision, I assume, is always happening in the same reality, right?
I think I've heard you talk about food multiplying, gems coming back from heaven, signs and wonders
like this.
So we can understand from Jesus that His baptism, the heavens opened and whatever could be done
in heaven, Jesus can now do on the earth.
So He needed to feed the people.
I mean, in heaven, you pick a fruit and another fruit will grow straight away.
You think about a beautiful dish, it will just manifest.
Heaven has got no issue with food and water.
So when Jesus needed food, He just pulled it out of heaven.
He just looked to the Father whenever He needed money to pay His taxes.
I mean, there's no shortage of beautiful things in heaven, gold and silver and beautiful stones.
It's just everywhere.
It's just abundant.
So when Jesus needed to walk, our kids walk on the water up there.
Jesus needed to walk on the water because He's under an open heaven.
There's no blockage.
The flow was just Jesus could do whatever He needed to do as the Father was leading Him.
Come on.
Yeah, we have seen food multiply.
We've seen our store jars and our kitchen not empty for many months at a time.
You know, there's one amazing thing happened.
We have a pond at the bottom of our land.
So when the kids went into heaven during an afternoon prayer, Jesus told the kids,
when you come home from school, go fishing.
And it was at the end of the summer.
The pond was nearly dry, like ankle deep, warm water, muddy, muddy, dirty, dirty water.
It was just nothing.
And we'd already pre-fished the pond for many, many weeks.
We'd pre-fished.
So we knew that there was nothing there.
So Jesus told the kids, tomorrow, when you come home from school, go fishing.
I thought, Lord, that's pretty crazy.
There's nothing there.
When the kids got home from school, they just ran up to us.
Let's go.
Went down to the pond.
And so they fished with the lady's saris, you know, the long piece of cloth.
And so they were dragging saris round and round and mud and slush and lots of noise.
And they came out.
Many minutes later, we were all watching them.
There was no fish.
It was just small little shrimps and things that were hardy and small.
Sticks and twigs.
No fish.
So the kids were really disappointed.
We must have missed it.
So I said, come on, right.
So we prayed.
And as we were praying, we heard a splash.
And one of our boys, he dived in the water, slipped through the mud, and he pulled out this
big fish, like big fish.
Our kids went nuts.
Wow.
Started crashing through the water.
They pulled out 24 big fish, 24 big fish.
And so we had an amazing fish lunch that day.
We did a heaven prayer.
The kids went up, and he was right there to meet them.
And he said, you know, remember what happened to Peter?
There's always a Bible lesson and everything he says and does.
He reads the scripture.
And, you know, the catch that Peter had, you know, John chapter 20.
So things like that, Benji.
When you're under an open heaven, so much creativity in the way that things can happen.
Oh, man, this is so wild.
Now, I want to tie this into some pretty radical stuff that's happening.
But Sib was saying as well about gems.
Talk to me about, like, the kids bringing back gems, that process that happened around that.
So in heaven, gems, stones.
We know from the scriptures, the streets are made of gold,
the beautiful houses, the mansions,
are all sorts of metals and woods and stuff.
There's no shortage of wealth in heaven.
The kids would, they started off, you know,
trying to bring down fruit for us,
because they'd, you know, eat beautiful fruit
and they'd hold it in their hands
and try to bring it down.
We've actually seen kids,
one boy actually hit another boy on his return
in the natural, because he said,
you stole my banana,
because he was so expectant that it should be in his hand
when he came down.
So as they went from the garden areas
into the dwelling areas
and then into the community city areas,
they began to see more and more of the treasures
and they would hold in heaven
these beautiful precious stones and heaven stones.
And they would be big.
They would be big, beautifully cut,
glowing with the glory of God,
all different colors and shapes and sizes.
And, you know, they really tried to bring those down.
They took a bit of a petition back to Jesus and said,
how come we can't bring these things down?
And Jesus said, just keep praying, one day they will.
Just keep praying, one day they will.
So, you know, Benji, I've told you this before,
but the prayer went on for two years.
The kids are going to heaven every day,
but we continue to pray on the earth,
as well as in heaven for the manifestation of stones.
Yeah, two years.
I mean, that's birthing a promise, yeah?
Yeah.
It's like sticking at it.
So one night in the worship hall,
amazing heaven prayers going on
and we're cleaning up afterwards.
And one of the girls sweeps up two stones,
like looking like diamonds.
And, you know, in India,
people have got bangles and jewelry and stuff.
And so I thought was, ah, you know,
maybe this has fallen off someone's jewelry.
So I thought, let's just, I put it in my safe.
I put these two stones in my safe.
No one could get in there except me.
I had the sense to go back in and see,
a couple of months later, actually,
I opened up the safe and there were three stones.
I definitely put in two and then there was three.
And it wasn't long after that,
that we were doing prayer in this room,
this room that I'm sitting in now,
where our daughter, Chrisley, we were watching her.
Now what happens in our world is our kids go into trances.
Their eyes are closed,
but they physically outwork what they are doing in heaven.
So we can get a pretty good idea of where they are,
what they're doing by their conversation
and by their actions.
So Chrisley, we saw her plucking something off a wall.
She came over to Andrea, my wife,
and she said, mum, this is from Jesus.
And she opened her hand
and there was a beautiful stone in her hand.
Wow.
And Andrea took it.
And yeah, then she closed her hand again
and she opened her hand right in front of their eyes
and there was another stone, yeah.
So right before our eyes, we saw a...
I'm just grabbing one here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, come on.
Come on.
Like this size.
Yeah.
And right before our eyes, we saw two stones manifest.
And once that started, then it was just,
it was all on.
And there was a hundred, there was hundreds,
there was then even thousands.
Wow.
And all different shapes, sizes and colors.
You know, this was from another world.
This was from another world.
And this was from heaven.
This was once a spiritual thing.
This was once a spiritual thing, but now it's natural.
And each stone mean, it means something.
This is a square.
It means the four corners of the earth.
And even through this zoo, this testimony goes out
probably to the four corners of the earth.
So it just opened up.
And many people would say to us that this is,
I mean, this kind of stuff triggers all the orphanness,
Benji, you can imagine.
This stuff will turn you away from God,
not turn you to God, but no, that didn't happen for us.
It just gave us such a love and fascination
for God and the glory of God.
And yeah, heaven's real.
Man, it's so beautiful.
And here's what I want to tie it into in terms of.
Kingdom business, right? Especially following on from the some of the sessions that we've had,
we're talking about the significance of mastering economics in the context of discipling nations.
And we've been talking about the urgency that we have upon us right now, the urgency that we have
to ensure that we have a free economy, ensure that we don't have a, you know, like what China has is
a centralized economy attached to a credit system that if you don't have, if you're, you know,
for example, you stand for Jesus, they can say, hey, that's naughty, we don't stand for Jesus,
we don't have the same values as us, so we will punish you, we've just deleted all of your money,
gone just like that. So we've been talking about that the urgency that there is to ensure that we
have economic systems. Now, everyone's talking about the blockchain, which is fantastic. And I
love that. And we're going after that very much. But in terms of kingdom business, I want to
suggest that one of the biggest shifts that we are going to see in kingdom business is not actually
going to be the blockchain. Now, that's huge. We've talked about actually, we've talked about in the
last session, about making Revelation 13 and anticlimax, right? The Revelation 13 is the mark
of the beast. And if you don't get that, you don't get that chip or whatever it is, then you get
kicked out of the economy. But we were just talking about how, what if God thought that the economy was
already corrupt and dysfunctional, and nowhere near what nowhere near as effective or as good as
what he had in store for us. And he really wanted us to unsubscribe from that economy. Now we've been
talking about in the natural unsubscribing from the economic system and creating new systems and
subscribing to those. But what I want to suggest is that one of the biggest mindset shifts that's
coming that God wants us to wake up to is learning how to also unsubscribe from our regular, natural
minded economic systems, and learn how to subscribe to the economics of heaven, which are really along
the lines of what we're talking about with Todd yesterday. They are the economics is exactly what
you're talking about here, the economics of being able to reach into another dimension, and manifest
right here in the earth, everything you need. It's what Jesus did, what you're just talking about Jesus
manifested loaves and fishes. Now, that to me, is another dimension of a heavenly economy that will
make something like Revelation 13, you're not Oh, no, you're gonna, we're gonna cut off your, you
won't be able to buy and sell, you don't need to buy and sell. If you subscribe to a higher dimension,
where you can actually supernaturally manifest substance, items, tangible things out of heaven.
And, you know, you said, you took two years to get that breakthrough to start bringing gems in,
but then you've had supernatural manifestations where your food lasts for months, it doesn't run
out there. And I've heard you say as well that Jesus has shown your kids seeds. What's happening
in that in that space? You know, what does he said? What's the story there?
So, Benji, I just totally agree with you that our kids once saw a mountain of a mountain of grain,
and, and the kids asked, Jesus, what is this? What is this for? And Jesus said, it's waiting
to come down to the earth to feed my people. I just need some, some of my kids to get an
understanding of it. So yeah, we're carrying promises for leaves on the trees for the healing
of the nations. We've seen amazing miracles by leaves being brought down by the kids and given
to people behind the veil and a healing takes place. Those trees are carrying, those leaves
are carrying healing. And so we are carrying a promise just like the stones and the food
that that leaves are also going to manifest in this place. And not only for us, but I believe
all over the world. So you mentioned praying for someone, you know,
praying for a sick person and a leaf just floats out of the sky and give that person to
ingest the leaf and a healing manifests. That's happening for a spirit, gestation still needs to
take place. Yeah, you imagine seeds Benji, the kids have heard about seeds as well, bringing
seeds down from heaven that are pure, amen, that have not been damaged by genetic modification and
you imagine bringing seeds down from heaven, it's all possible. Heavenly engineered seeds as well,
you know, like I reckon heavenly engineered seeds would, you know, be the opposite of
genetically modified seeds, you know, heavenly engineered seeds, just like the leaves, so the
healing for the nations that give you supernatural health and well-being. It's true, we had a
situation where the kids and Andrea worked hard to plant tomatoes, they worked hard, they had a
beautiful plot going, they grew and as they were beginning to get the yellow flowers and little
beginnings of tomatoes, green, they began to wilt and die and so we were really bummed out and
really sad bit of word to use, so we sent the kids for a heaven trip right in our front yard
where the tomato patch was, the kids went up to heaven, Andrea and I were sitting there, we were
just being overwhelmed with a strong presence, the kids are on the ground doing their thing, when
the kids came back they told us a testimony that Jesus was there, I know what you've come to ask,
let's go, so Jesus came down with the kids into the campus, Andrea and I could feel the strong
presence, the kids said he held his hands out over the tomato patch and he prayed and light
poured from his hands into the tomato patch that was dying with a bug, a disease, we just
praised and worshipped and thanked the Lord for that amazing testimony. I went to Delhi, came back,
it was 10 days, I came back in 10 days and Benji, there were red tomatoes on the
patch of red tomatoes, so not only healed but within 10 days they actually produced red tomatoes
ready for eating, so yeah, seeds from heaven, life from heaven is like the kids will pick a banana
in heaven, they'll peel the skin, throw the skin on the ground, straight away another banana palm
will grow, yeah, that kind of stuff can happen, I believe, so cool, yeah, I'll just bring one more
thought here, Sivan, then you bring it in, but yeah, I just want to thank you so much Jason,
because while we're very much wanting to be savvy on cryptocurrencies, NFTs,
banking, we want to be savvy on heavenly economics as well, we don't
want this just to be, there's a great quote by the founder of
China Inland Mission, trying to remember his name, Hudson Taylor, it says, live no ordinary life,
live no ordinary life, and I think that this is so exciting in the space of
where God's taking us, he's backing us into a situation where an ordinary life
won't work, he's putting us into an impossible context, and an impossible context
is not actually a bad thing, because it means that you get to see the impossible happen, now we're
going to use all the wisdom we can, we're going to take all the opportunities we can, we're going to
steward all the technology that we can, but at the same time, we want to be really conscious of where
the real prize is in kingdom business, the real prize is the kingdom, but that's the real
prize right there, and that kingdom is the most wonderful kingdom you could ever imagine,
and it's real, the kingdom heaven, the kingdom of heaven is real, it's accessible, it's here, it's now,
it's at hand, and it is a kingdom that has its own economic systems, it has its own
structures, it's a kingdom that actually has the capacity to transcend everything that we know
in this realm, and I just want to thank you so much, because so much of what we're talking about
is mindset shifts, and this is one of the biggest mindset shifts for us, that we need to actually
in our kingdom business, which we talk kingdom business, we need to actually really integrate
the kingdom, we need to fuse the kingdom, we need to fuse another dimension, another realm,
into what we're calling kingdom business. If it's really kingdom business, it will be a fusion.
Your beautiful verse Ephesians 1.10, there will be a fusion of heaven and earth. The earth is
just as important as heaven and we need to fuse the two in order to really bring kingdom business.
That's actually, there's so much to gain right here. And I think, again, it's a place of urgency
for us to step in and not leave it for another generation. This is our time. This is our mandate.
This is our call. This is our inheritance. This is our gift to open. This is our time.
We are the people. This is the place. Now is the time to step into this and see this fusion
of kingdom business. And another element of what I want to say the kingdom is,
and what the kingdom really rests on, is if you look at heaven, the heartbeat of heaven,
the very core of what heaven is founded on, is founded on what you mentioned before Jason,
which is the divine dance. An unbroken cycle of divine love where the father and the son
and the holy spirit participate in this beautiful unbroken cycle of divine love,
where they lavish one another in extravagant expressions of delight.
And this unbroken cycle of divine love, that is the foundation of heaven. All the atmosphere,
everything that we love about heaven flows out of that divine dance, flows out of that
unbroken cycle of divine love that is the very epicenter of heaven. And kingdom business
actually needs to become a mirror of the divine dance. And that starts to get really,
really exciting because it brings us into this place of beautiful relationship,
where our relationships with one another mirror heaven, mirror the divine dance,
mirror the fellowship of the trinity. And kingdom business, when we actually
really unpack what it starts to look like, kingdom business is the mirroring of heaven
on earth. And so much of that happens in our relationships, it happens in the atmosphere,
it happens in this context of an open heaven, it happens in this realm of transcending the natural
and bringing supernatural manifestation of the kingdom realm, where we supernaturally
manifest physical realities. Like we need bread, boom, we supernaturally manifest it.
And I think where we are going in the next season is we're going to see that verse that you talked
about today, Ephesians 1.10, manifest like never before. We're going to see a convergence of heaven
and earth. And Isaiah 60 is going to take place, arise and shine for your light has come and the
glory of the Lord has risen upon you. The whole darkness covers the earth and thick darkness is
over the peoples, but the Lord has risen over you and his glory is upon you. We're going to see this
realm, we're going to see a convergence of, you know, we're going to see the good, the bad and
the ugly as hell converges and heaven converges. And we're going to see more of the angelic realm
manifesting more of the supernatural realm of breakthrough manifesting more kingdom business.
And the whole concept of kingdom business, I think is going to unfold to us like a present
being opened. And we're going to have these revelation after revelation after revelation
of the beauty of what kingdom business truly is. So I want to thank you for everything that you've
brought. It's brought so much weight to what we're talking about. And yes, I'm so grateful, Jason.
And yeah, let me tag Seb in here.
I love it. I love it. It's awesome. So powerful. Well, Jason, I'm wondering if just to close and
land plain, I'd love it if you could pray for us, everybody who's out there in the summit and
just us and raising royalty to encounter the more of heaven that we've been talking about,
the expansive increase of as it is in heaven. So so let it be here on earth. And I think just
specifically pray as you guys have been experiencing that more portals would open up over
over half people's houses, over people's businesses, over people's endeavors that
there would just be a faith that rises. But I won't put words in your mouth. But yeah,
that's just been what I'm feeling. Hmm. Well, just just a couple of verses, they're very strong
and out journey of being God speaking to Moses, be careful to build, according to
template from heaven. Everything we do, we try to make sure the template is from heaven, the blueprint,
the design. The other is seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things
shall be given unto you. We're in this place of just being given the drawing by His presence and
so much goodness is coming to us because we are seeking His kingdom. We have a sister, Jo,
and for years, she has received actual money in her pocket. Whatever country she goes to,
the Lord just drops the money in her pocket to buy the coffee, to get them, whatever.
She hasn't needed bank accounts. She hasn't needed. The Lord has just hundreds, thousands
of times probably, I've seen it happen. The Lord, the stones can be very valuable as well.
The kingdom of God can absolutely supply all of our needs. The kingdom can do it, whether it be
health, wealth, food. Yes, the focus on the kingdom is absolutely vital. Father, we thank
you for this day. We thank you for this amazing raising royalty family, the son of God. We thank
you for your weighty presence, God. We can feel that now. God, I thank you for that which you've
done to us, a bunch of just triads on a mountaintop and just a back place in the world,
a dark place. It's been dark, but it's getting brighter and brighter. Your glory is shining here.
It's beginning to break through all over the earth. Thank you that you are through open heaven
encounters and revelations. You are releasing strategies and plans, and especially this
economic structures, new structures. Let everything that raising royalty does be flowing
out of heaven. Let everything that we engage into, Lord, in this earth space be a flow out of heaven,
oh God. If it's not out of heaven, shut it down quickly, Father. If it is the flow of heaven,
the template from heaven, let the glory of God, let the grace of God, let the blessing of God
be upon Lord. I do pray for all those who will listen to this replay. I pray for all of us,
God, that you would just bring us to places where the heavens would open richly and widely above us,
above our homes, above our communities, oh God. And that in these open heaven atmospheres,
the miracles of heaven, the provision of heaven would be so easy to access and so easy to attain,
oh God. We thank you that your glory is shining throughout the earth. And Jesus, you are in heaven
now, seated upon your throne, and you are filling the earth, oh God. You are filling us. You are
filling everything with your glory, and it's getting stronger. It's getting stronger. It's
getting more glorious. It's getting more wondrous. And God, we want you to fill us. We want you to
fill this raising royalty. We ask you would fill with the richness of your kingdom. Thank you for
the freedom that you are giving to Benji and his team, Sebastian and his team, to just be
free as sons of the kingdom, to be able to embrace these revelations and to see them
released into the earth. I bless Benji. I bless Sebastian. I bless Raising Royalty. And Father,
the blessings that have come upon my house, God, I ask to come upon their houses as well. And everyone
who listens to this, we give you praise. Thank you for open heaven realities. We love you, Jesus.
We love you. We thank you for all that you've done. We love you, our father, our papa. Thank you.
We thank you for your calling, your drawing to us, beautiful Holy Spirit. You are God in us.
You are with us and in us. The father and the son are in us. And we thank you. You are beautiful.
You are glorious. And give us a fascination for heaven. Give us a fascination for the beauty
realm of God. And let heaven break out in us and through us. In Jesus' mighty name, I pray. Amen.
Amen. Wow. Wow. So good. Love you guys. Man, that's amazing. Thank you so much, Jason. That's
so weighty, so glorious. And we actually, we've got Matt, our next session, we're just going to
go straight in here. So Matt's just jumping in here right now, going to tag straight in here,
which is going to be beautiful. But Jason, man, we just can't thank you enough for everything
that you've brought just now. So thanks, my man. And we look forward to coming and hanging out with
you in India. I'm sure we need to bring a Raising Royalty team over there and come and get your kids
to pray for us. Good to see you, Matt. Love you guys. God bless. Bye. Jason, if you haven't met
Matt, Matt, Jason, Jason, Matt.
going. Thanks for that so much, Jason. Yeah, God bless. Bye.
We will we will we absolutely will. Beautiful. Thanks, bud.
And Matt, welcome right in here, mate. Welcome into the
goodness. Thank you, sir. While we are being well baked in the
glory is a pretty luscious atmosphere of heaven all around
us. Oh, man, we just just flooded with goodness. And I
said, how about you take over from here? I think I'm a little
bit
with goodness.
You gotta learn to drink and drive the zoom, you know?
Yeah, no.
Drink and drive like
Wow. Yeah, awesome. Great to meet you, Matt. Matt, you give
Matt or Matthew? Yeah, Matt. Matthew's fine. Yep. Awesome.
It's great to meet you. How are you? Yeah, good. Good.
Sweet, man. Hey, everyone. If you haven't met Matt before,
this is Matt and I really wanted to bring Matt on here because I
think Matt's got some real richness for us to catch in the
whole space of, of mindsets of actually shifting into new
opportunities. So Matt, we're just grateful, stoked that you
can be with us. And how about you for us? As we as we light up
this, this session together. And just looking forward to a good
chat. Yeah, a lot of thank you for this time. And I thank you
father that you would. You're already here being here all
weekend. But father, I just thank you that you give me the
words to speak the points to talk about, and the things to
miss the things to include. And I just thank you for that your
Holy Spirit is on everything I say, it's less of me and more of
you Lord. And I just thank you for this whole raising royalty
platform, the kingdom business summit. May there be many, many,
many, many more to come. And yeah, just excited and thrilled
to be a part of what you're doing on the earth through
finance and kingdom business and the whole new digital space
that's opening up for so many people. In Jesus name. Amen.
Amen. Well, thanks, my man. Well, man, the cool thing is
like a lot of what we're doing now with raising royalty and
things like that. We've got a lot of new people, but it's
quite cool. I mean, you and I met a long time ago. I mean,
20. We're talking nearly 20 years, not probably 19 years ago
that we first met. Yeah. So we first met in Wanaka. And I mean,
it was I was still getting free back in those days. Actually,
the church that you went that you were at, that was the first
Pentecostal church that I'd ever been to. Yeah, that was the
first Pentecostal church that I'd ever been to. I'd been a
good Baptist boy up until, you know, like, I'd never been to
really anything apart from a Baptist church until that time.
That's out there. I would never have guessed that about you.
And I came to your town, which was a ski town, and came there
for a month of snowboarding, which was fantastic. And but
you're one of the real blessings was the church that was in that
town. And that's, that's where we connected 19 years ago. So
it's been cool to kind of just tag team along the journey. And
we've had cool moments like you're heading to Africa on
missions trips. I'd almost forgotten that I think sometimes
that might all try to forget it. Definitely a culture shock on
that particular trip, but you know, just so much journeying
that we've been able to share. And I think you've got so much
value to add and to bring to people who are in, you know,
like, in business, who've probably been in a traditional
business for, for a long time. So, yeah, why don't you just
tell us a little bit about, you know, what's the business that
you've been involved in? Yeah, what's, what do you do?
Little bit of background about me first, because I guess a lot
of people don't know me.
Yeah, absolutely. Give us a little bit of background and
then, you know, and what your main business is right now.
Yeah, sure. So I grew up in the north of England, in Huddersfield in West Yorkshire, and I've
literally lived in Wyker for over 20 years now. I came here June 18th or 1. And yes,
met Benji in those early years. He was just as crazy then as he is now. I remember him
huddling in the edge of his tent, reading his word, praying in tongues. And yeah, that's
a long time ago. That's half your lifetime back, right? Yeah, yeah, it is. So yeah, as
I sat in the UK, just a bit how I ended up here. I always thought there was more to life,
wanted to see Australia, read about New Zealand by accident. And it ended up where I could
hitchhike New Zealand first for four months. Then I had a year on Australia and outback,
crazy stuff, cattle stations, and yeah, just a wild adventure. And then I'd come through
Wyker on my hitchhiking time, ended up back in the UK for a summer, if you can ever call
such a thing over there. There isn't really a summer in the north of England. And then
settled here, came back and got my residency here after six months back there. And I've
been here ever since, got saved and born again within a few short years of that. Basically,
a group of guys that Benji knows most of them. They all loved me into the kingdom of a period
of sort of eight months. And I gave my heart to the Lord in church and in a crazy Holy
Spirit moment. And it's never been the same since. It was like a honeymoon, couple of
years, everything I prayed, thought about happened. Growing up in the UK, I'd never
owned a hoodie, someone bought me a hoodie that I prayed for. You know, I had nothing
but the clothes on my back, really a rucksack. I'd arrived in New Zealand to live. And I
spent the first seven weeks with the backpackers, and then just slowly got to know people over
time. And thank God for those guys. It was good, six, eight, 10 of them. They just loved
me in the kingdom over that time. And here I am today. And it's been a 20 year process
since then. I did a diplomacy ministry in 2008. That was a great year. Some, yeah,
some fantastic things happened there. I was working in the church at the time and doing
studies, block release with Vision College. So that was all a great journey there. And then
as that year finished, I began the business that I'm in now, my traditional business, which
began window cleaning. And then within a couple of years, we added pest control,
which was more lucrative. And today that's 60 to 70% of our business.
We're only a two person operation, so nothing massive, but I get to ski like 15, 20 days in
winter, get three months is pretty quiet. I have three weeks at Christmas, I have Easter off and,
you know, in a traditional business sense, I've been pretty blessed, very fortunate really over
that time. And I guess I've always, you know, looking back, I've, I had a car washing round
when I was 15, started that. Back then it was a pound or two pound for a big car. I mean,
you know, that's a lot of money. I remember having the gold coins, like it actually looks
like the Bitcoin we see today. And on my Saturday morning round, I get sick. I thought it was a
really good morning. It was 14 or 16 pounds. I'd washed 10 cars or something like that.
And in comparison, my paper round was two or three. So anyway, so that was a very,
very early business there. And then over the years, I just wanted to get into other things.
I mean, that first two or three years in my traditional business, that took a lot of,
that took a lot out of me. It was, you don't know if it's going to work for the first two or three
years. I was literally knocking on doors and say, hey, I'm just calling in response to my recent
advert, would you like your windows cleaning? And I was learning about sales at the time,
I'd just shut up and fortunate most people just said, yeah, sure, give us a price. And we often
got the job. And so I was way out of my comfort zone. I was, my background was mechanical
precision engineer. So I had no idea about sales. I had my head stuck in a machine making metal
parts, you know, so, you know, I can look back and I can see God completely bringing me on the
journey. And then sometimes at the time you wonder where he is, but he's always there, right?
We all know that. And I guess, yeah, so then I guess a little bit before that sort of
mid 2000s, I'd only been working
at a supermarket and hardware store here.
I'd saved up enough money, bought my first rental property
and bought another one that year
when rental properties were 150,000 in South Auckland,
which is incredible.
Sorry to remember.
It's hard to remember, man.
Yes, 03, 04.
So that was my, I thought, I just like,
I was stuck in supermarket shelves
and I just thought, I just wanna,
I just gotta do something else, you know?
I gotta do something that's gonna create
me enough passive income to get me out of this,
this just about broke situation.
Anyway, so yes, I saved $10,000
and I bought my first rental property
and then somehow got another 18,000 together,
borrowed out some equity, got the second one,
had those for eight years, it doubled,
then came back to about 60%,
took that money overseas and bought
all the rental property, had an absolute nightmare
with a potentially crooked property manager
who was, yeah, anyway, that's a long, long story there.
So I nearly lost my nest egg,
went through a bit of a nightmare there,
also 2014, fortunately got back in,
got into a good area, got some good property,
that all turned out rosy,
but man, that was a horrible journey.
And then all the time I'd been growing my pest control
business and just, you know,
I just thought there was, you know,
I'd gone on the property journey,
I'd been burned, I'd learned some stuff,
I did network marketing,
someone prospected me on the checkout in New World
here in Monaco back in the early 2000s
and I started in a very well-known network marketing company
so I was religious with it for 18 months,
I tried to show them my 15 plans a month,
I listened to a tape a week,
I was on like a tape a day, read a book a month,
the book was the hardest thing for me,
yet today I can read the book.
So all that was grounding, I guess, in things
and then, you know, and just into different things.
And I was really like, I suppose in recent years,
I was wondering how I'd ever make it in the property,
I'm getting older now, heading towards 50,
wondering if it's running out in the sense of
I'm not going to have enough passive income
for my properties, they've paid down like 50%,
but how am I going to create enough money, you know,
to actually live and have a serious kind of life
and I got this great programming that, you know,
you do your, build your business, buy your assets
and the assets eventually will sustain your lifestyle,
that's all the reading, you know, the Robert Kiyosaki,
The Rich Dad Put, a lot of the famous books
that many of us know.
And I was like, I was stressing a bit, really,
like I was actually, I'm actually happy
in my pest control business,
I'm actually happy in my traditional business,
although it really is, can be exhausting
in the height of the season right now.
So I would never thought lockdown would be a blessing,
but, you know, that first lockdown in April 2020
in New Zealand, that first five or six weeks,
I like, I sort of wound down off the main pest control
season and began casting about online,
seeing if I could find something else,
must be something else, I've got all this time,
I'm not gonna waste it, I've got like,
I've got all this time, I'm not gonna waste it.
So I ended up on a couple of mastermind things,
I was part of Freedom Era, some of you know that,
I was just looking at it,
I didn't really wanna visit the network marketing space
again, that was not really my thing,
but sort of gleaned a lot there,
and we went back to work, went to his quiet,
skied again and did the stuff.
And then towards the end of that year,
I saw a post from someone in those masterminds
talking about a platform that had passive income.
So I thought, oh no, like the classic thing we all do,
you know, that's too good to be true,
can't be, can't start with so little and make so much,
that'll never happen.
But anyway, I just went in with a small amount,
researched it, it was a Forex trading platform
done for you, automated,
you don't need to learn the skills or anything.
So then by the start of 2021,
loaded in a decent amount of money,
we opened three,
we could do a three spot family pack strategy
where we managed to scrape together
some money from a failed investment
that I'd had for years and never gone nowhere,
so I pulled that.
out and got basically 15,000 American 21k Kiwi together and
put it in and that that's done really well. It basically turns
21 to 24% of them.
Wow. So this right here is this here is a big. This is a big
change right here, right? So your whole life has revolved
around the principle, even your current business revolves around
the principle, basically of trading time for money.
Yeah, that's right.
And so what you just what you're describing right now is what a
number of our people have been talking about through the
summit is actually transitioning from the mindset. We don't have
to fully transition. I mean, you still got that space of got your
businesses that, you know, they're ticking along nicely.
It's still got properties, but you're also stepping into the
space now of a mindset where, okay, I don't want to just trade
time for money. I want to have my money make money for me.
That's right. That's right.
Well, what, let me just kind of get in there for a moment and
ask, how did that, how did that mindset shift occur? Did it take
a long time? Did it just feel like a good fit? What was the
process that you went through personally to start realizing,
hey, I need to diversify beyond just my bricks and mortar
businesses. I need some other form of generating income that is
my money making money.
Yeah, I just knew that, like I said, I was quite happy in my
pest control business, but I just knew that, and I still am,
I just knew, you know, going towards 50, had some time on my
hands through lockdown, and was just casting about looking for
stuff, not knowing if I'd, you know, fishing, if you like, and
not knowing if there's any fish even out there that could get me
to a retirement place before I was even 50. But you know, I
didn't think there was anywhere. I didn't think there was
anything. But the way it's going, you know, I, that, you
know, we'll be in that place very shortly, if not by this
winter, maybe only a year away. So I guess to me, it wasn't a
massive shift, because I'd done these things in the background
and that's that state of network marketing. I'd read Robert
Kiyosaki books, I'd read Think and Grow Rich. How to, how to
something and influence people, is it Dale Carnegie?
Make friends and influence people.
Yeah, how to make friends and influence people.
And I'd struggle with it.
I'd read, I'd read, I'd read these classic books, and I'd
kind of been that stage. I actually thought, I actually
thought investment property was the way, but the way that they
got so much, so much more expensive, very hard to, you
know, make that work in time to even be retired for 70 now, let
alone 50. Anyway, so the mindset change. Yeah, deke, one massive
thing, if I can encourage anyone is decouple from the
idea of earning money for hours. So decouple from the hourly rate
thing. That's massive, because we're so programmed to go to
work and work for an hourly rate. What are the ways that
your parents did it, your grandparents did it, you know,
and that's, that's the old economy, if you want to call it
that. Nothing wrong with having a job, nothing wrong with doing
those things. But just, but just knew I needed to shift and find
things and do, you know, and do stuff. Yeah, I think one of the
things I've learned even more recently, you can have linear
income. So you trade your time for hours, or you could have
leveraged income. And when you start out on the leveraged
income path, you actually earn less than the linear. Because
you got to build a network, you got to, you know, you got to
help other people. So there's a there's a, there's a you can't
call that a honeymoon period. That's like, that's a coal face
in the fire kind of period, if you like, where you're trying to
build that leveraged income. So it got, it got to be where, you
know, you think about, if you've got a bunch of committed people,
even working five hours a week, and you have 100 people in your
organization, that's 500 hours a week that your organization is
working, and you might only work 510 20 yourself. So it's, it's
shifting from that, I got to trade hours for dollars.
to a leveraged income.
And you might be spinning your wheels for a long while,
for a month, for a year.
Some people it takes a little bit longer, some shorter,
depending on where you're at from the beginning.
I don't know whether I'm answering your question here.
Is that?
Yeah, I mean, that's great.
It's great.
This is such a significant journey for us in general too.
And I love the phrase that you just used there, decoupling,
which is really beautiful.
So, I mean, you're talking right now
about the CFX platform, which is really exciting.
We've got Anna and Asha jumping on tomorrow
and they're gonna go deep into that platform as well,
which is really exciting.
So, I mean, that's in the space of Forex.
Now, Forex, people might not realize this,
it's over a $6 trillion a day industry.
Nothing in the entire world comes even close
to the Forex industry.
I mean, Apple, right?
Pretty big company, $2.1 trillion a year.
Forex, over $6 trillion a day.
A day, yeah.
A day.
I mean, I don't even know if they've got numbers for that.
Six, that's like, what's a thousand trillion?
I can't even watch that number.
It's a quadrillion.
Is it a quadrillion?
Yeah.
A quadrillion, okay.
Well, okay, so it's a quadrillion dollar industry.
That's a big number, a quadrillion.
So, Forex, I mean, and Forex is the market
that attracts people who want leveraged income,
who understand mega wealth.
And so what you're saying is that you're actually
just starting to discover inroads and pathways
for how you can actually step out of that space.
Yes, yes, yes.
And CFX has been the opening door for that, really.
From that, I spent extended amounts of time
over winter on LinkedIn, learning to prospect people,
setting up a professional page,
and doing, just getting things dialed properly.
And that has been a real doorway
and I've discovered other stuff since then.
And late last year, joined another platform as well,
more in the crypto space.
You've got Trevor Chatham talking about that later on.
Yeah, and also Oz Hillman will be talking about that too,
which is kind of exciting.
Oh, wow, wow, excellent, yeah.
So, I'm like, I've got these, I think I'm proper excited.
I've got like these bits of thousands of dollars in things
and it's making 5% here and 20% a month there and that.
And I've kind of on paper replaced my income already,
but I need to double that.
I need to sit on my hands, not move at all,
in the sense of keep doing what you're doing.
And then that is gonna be the thing
that will get me retired before 50.
I don't, not being on the tools
and in a physically working business past this winter
could be a reality for me.
And I only really started late last year
with December 2020, late the year before last.
So it's only been a 14 month journey.
Yeah, well, someone here in the comments
is just saying they had to Google quadrillion.
It's got 15 zeros.
And it's recession proof.
The Forex market's recession proof.
So that goes on 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 a year.
It only has about five days off in Christmas.
And so it's not dependent on lockdowns.
It's not dependent on a shop front.
It's not dependent on anything traditional.
It just goes on in the background.
Currency pairs are trading like that
every many other day year round.
So yeah, that's an incredible industry.
That it's incredible.
And there's a lot of people,
I think the stats out there,
90% of people lose their money in it.
I'll qualify that to say they're doing it on their own
and having a stab themselves with their own money
and buying a package.
But the Forex market is a moving set of goalposts.
So you can buy a bot, but three weeks time,
it's not winning you anymore.
It's losing your whole account.
I think there's plenty of people probably on Raising Realty
that know about stuff like that,
and part of the journey.
Anyway, I say all that to say.
It's just opened my mind, it shattered my paradigms really to see that there's platforms
there that are real, genuine, and can take you from a few hundred or a few starting thousand
dollars to tens of thousands in months, and then within a few short years to hundreds
of thousands.
If you just keep with the system, if you just keep plugged in and you keep upgrading and
you keep doing your rebuys and you keep doing your upgrades and you keep learning and you
keep on LinkedIn and you keep prospecting people and you keep talking to people and
don't listen to your broke neighbor.
Whatever you do, look over the fence, do you want what your broke neighbor has?
I'm no disrespect to anyone, right?
But do you want what your broke neighbor has?
Or Robert Kiyosaki, Warren Buffett, and Richard Branson, all edify platforms that are based
around network marketing.
That's one of the three B business systems that they use.
You can network marketing, a C corporation, and a franchise.
So you can build your own big corporation, you can get into franchising or network marketing.
So those three, they edify that.
And what I'm seeing, Benji, and there is this amazing, the old paradigm of network marketing
is disappearing.
And it's coupling up with modern financial platforms that have no physical products.
So this was a real light going on for me.
I'd done a physical product business 15, 18 years ago, but now you're seeing network marketing
almost coming of age, coupling with financial platforms, financial trading platforms.
So that's a whole, I don't think anyone, well, many people do, but I don't think people,
some people won't revisit network marketing because they're scared by it.
But in reality, today, it's a whole different ballgame.
It's almost completely changed.
And it's coupled with these financial platforms.
So people don't get out.
I mean, massive attrition rates, I understand, in the physical product businesses, people
get in, try it for a week, a month, three years, don't have success, just hate the thing.
I've only a very small team that I built in my CFX business, but no one left.
No one's talked about leaving.
No one wants to leave because they earn 21 to 24% of money on their funds.
It's like they're winning from day three, winning from day three.
And in the other platform, the crypto-based one, they're winning from day one.
So everyone wins from day one or day three.
And I suppose the most incredible thing is people still say no to that.
Yeah.
It's kind of incredible, right?
It's crazy, right?
I mean, just to summarize, very condensed.
You basically said, you know, lockdowns hit, the world went crazy.
You went researching for a bunch of things, businesses shut down overnight, basically,
because nobody wants to see anybody face to face.
And then the business world that you're exploring just kind of exploded, and there's this brand
new hunger for just expansion.
With actual systems that actually return, I've got family, friends in the product-based
network marketing businesses, and they are hustling and grinding just to get like one
win.
And when you're in both CFX and all the other cryptos that we're involved in, it's just
so cool because when you win, you win.
It's very simple.
You win, and you win, and then everybody wins, and having access to that right now is pretty
incredible.
But yeah, tell us about how did you navigate that process?
Because it must have been a little bit of a rollercoaster as well, did that hit you
like that?
Or is it just like this beautiful process of discovery, or how did that all happen?
Yeah, it's a proper rollercoaster, because you're still a product of your old thinking.
You're still a product of all the years and environment to this point.
And now you've got to just, like I said before, uncouple and debunk and don't stick around
people who are in the old system, you know?
So no, it wasn't smooth, Zeb.
It wasn't.
because I joined the CFX platform.
People said, it's a scam, you'll lose your money.
It's getting closed down any minute.
There was all sorts of nonsense written online about it.
Still, none of that has been proven today.
In fact, it just grows from strength to strength.
It's an incredibly strong company, incredibly strong,
but I don't think any of us really know the half of that.
And so your belief system goes in and out.
You're like, oh, this person has got some authority
and they said it's a scam.
Maybe it's a scam, I'll stop prospecting.
I won't tell anyone else.
Oh no, oh, my dreams of retiring
are just starting to crumble.
So you have this like, ooh, it levels out a bit, right?
But when your first three months in it
or your first six months in it
or your first nine months in it,
if someone can shoot across your bow
and someone with authority
or someone in a high place in a business
or someone you respect,
then you gotta be just, ah, it's hard, it's hard.
It's really tough that bit.
And I just stuck with it
and just listened to people in the upline who were winning.
I mean, the lady only a couple of upline from,
I don't know, she might be three or four upline from me.
She's the first female president in CFX.
Awesome.
Are you gonna listen to that?
I've seen her back office.
I mean, a few of us have seen her back office.
I mean, I don't even know the figures now.
You'd be talking, she's marching towards
an eight-figure turnover in 13 months.
Wow.
Eight figures.
That's Shirey, I think I know who.
Yeah, yeah.
We used to chat about a few things back in the day.
So yeah, I know who you're talking about.
She actually just recently got given,
what was it, a Lamborghini or something as a bonus?
She's got a fancy sports car.
She gets a Porsche.
She can get a Porsche of her choice up to 100K.
Yeah.
That's hilarious.
It's like a little business.
I'll buy you a Taycan almost straight out.
A little business thing.
I'll buy you a Taycan almost straight out, man.
Yeah, a little business thing.
A few business things.
A little trip.
That's cool.
We're going to just bring it in for a bit of a landing now,
but Matt, that was really cool.
And I think really, really valuable
because we've got lots of people who have just been
in the crypto space for ages and that's kind of their zone,
but it's really cool to see the process, the journey,
the mindsets, the wrestle of just like,
hey, this is what I was coupled to.
That was a really good word, decoupling.
And we are tomorrow going to unpack both of the platforms
that you're talking about with real clarity.
Some people who are absolutely rocking it in that space
who are impacting thousands of lives.
So we will actually, yeah,
we've got some real deep clarity coming on that
for people tomorrow.
Tomorrow really is the day where we start lighting up
for people, like how they can actually start
generating income streams.
Tomorrow really is the day of creating wealth,
like how to create wealth.
We've looked at shaping culture.
We've looked at reforming economic systems,
but actually it starts from the very next session.
I mean, we've got Karina coming in next
and she's going to be talking about,
this next session with Karina is amazing, right?
Because one of the things that you need,
which Matt's talking about, he's gone from,
I mean, this is phenomenal, right?
Gone from like, okay, I want to like figure out
some other options to potentially being able to retire
within two years.
I mean, you know, that is-
And really, that is really my track now.
Yeah.
Under 24 months from zero to hero.
Yeah, and that's really solid.
I mean, it's pretty wild to try and do that with a business,
but to have that happening through leveraged income
is a really wild, powerful, amazing thing.
But the thing is you have to have some capital.
Now, not everyone's going to have capital.
People are going to be in a different space
when it comes to capital.
And what we're going to really help people through
in the mentorship is, you know,
what's the best opportunity for you right now
in the context of what time do you have available?
What finances do you have available?
What resources do you have available?
What's the best fit for you?
So in the mentorship with Sebastian,
it's a 40-day mentorship,
and we'll be unpacking that more tomorrow as well,
what that actually will involve.
But one of the things we're going to help you identify
is what is the best opportunity for me right now?
Because you might be in a space where it's like,
yes, I want to do that, but I don't have capital.
Well, you've got less options if you don't have capital.
capital, but you've still got options, right?
So one of those options we're going to be talking about
with Karina right now is unpacking
how she's generating capital,
because, yeah, we're going to unpack that.
I won't let you in on everything right now,
but we're going to show you how if you've got no capital
and you want to generate really significant capital
that will give you opportunities to break open
all the other spaces,
then this session with Karina coming up,
basically right now is a session to figure out
how you can raise capital quickly,
and at the same time, gain a real awesome skillset.
I'll give you one little taste of it
of what we're going to uncover.
She's going to uncover how you can be staked
200,000 US dollars to trade with,
and get equipment for that, okay?
So, yeah, so we're going to,
you personally as an individual
can learn some skillsets that gets you staked
by a major company.
We're going to unpack what that looks like,
and then in the mentorship as well,
we're going to go even deeper and show people
how you can actually start to learn these skills
to get yourself staked 200,000 US dollars
so you can start generating capital right away.
So that's what the mentorship's going to be so available,
so good at, is just unpacking for people
what's the best opportunity for you right now,
how to jump into that.
So, Matt, mate, so stoked, so stoked for your journey,
so stoked for how well things are going for you,
and yeah, really, really excited about, you know,
just sharing the journey together going forward,
helping people in this space, so thanks, my man.
No worries, no worries at all.
Yeah, I always, like, I feel like I've got
a hundred other things I could say,
and you're trying to get it all out in a short session,
but just, I hope a few nuggets got across there,
and that's been valuable from someone, you know,
starting with lots or less, so all different places.
Yeah, actually, I think-
Just before you go, Matt, like,
how many streams of income do you have right now?
Four, possibly five.
I mean, I'm literally, every month,
discovering different things in LinkedIn, really.
LinkedIn is, man, just the people on LinkedIn
are business-oriented, but yeah, so four or five.
Amazing, I love it, so great.
Yeah, so cool, man, it's so cool to see that,
and I think you did our seven streams,
caught some of our seven streams conversation
earlier this rally, and so it's kind of fun.
Yeah, yeah, it's been great.
Yeah, I appreciate everything you do, it's awesome.
Like, you're, you know, you're opening stuff now
for people that maybe didn't even know what investing was,
you know, I've met people in the last two years,
they don't even know what investing is,
what, my money can make money,
and I don't have to work for money?
That's a foreign concept to them,
and you guys are facilitating the change for that,
you know, so it's powerful, man,
extremely powerful for the kingdom,
big thinking, huge thinking, like,
I just, I really admire what you guys are doing.
Great to be part of it, thanks for the invite.
Oh, please, my man.
Hey, how about you pray for, pray for us,
pray for our team, and then after this,
we're gonna jump live again,
we'll end the session, we'll be live just in moments
after this with Karina at 9 p.m. Pacific time,
6 p.m. New Zealand time, so in just seconds away.
So yeah, you pray for us, man, we're just so grateful,
and thank you again for sharing, really stoked.
No worries, appreciate that.
Lord, I just thank you for this time,
I just thank you for everyone watching,
for Benji's team, Lord God, I, yeah, we just,
Father, I just pray a fresh anointing,
a new level on what they do,
things that we'll explore from this weekend
that I wouldn't wanna pray that you'll be overwhelmed,
but Father, I just thank you for a flood of kingdom finance,
for kingdom initiatives, for kingdom things,
and we just rebuke that poverty mindset,
that poverty spirit that would just drop off people,
would just be washed away and replaced
with your thinking, Lord God, your ways, your Holy Spirit.
And yeah, Lord, I just thank you, Father,
you are so intimately interested and involved
in everything about us, including our finance,
and I just thank you, people, you've got,
people are on a journey,
they would just come on another click,
and as Jesus prayed for people and talked to people,
he was able to move them on all one letter in the alphabet
from wherever they are, so wherever people are today,
pray a blessing.
pray increase, I pray another level for you and I just thank you, I just thank you Lord for the
future you have for all the people involved in and around raising royalty in Jesus name.
Amen. Amen. Thanks so much Marine, bless you. Bless you, thanks Benji, enjoyed it.
So good bud, we'll catch you soon. Bye.