All right, hey fam, I'm just checking if we are live,
if we're streaming.
I'd say we are seconds away from it all happening.
And let me check again,
I think it's probably happening now.
Yes, there we are, we're live.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
What a delight and a pleasure to have Zoe with us today.
Zoe, how are you doing?
Kia ora guys, I'm doing amazing, thank you.
Super excited to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Oh, such a delight.
And something that's quite cool is you are like the,
so far in the summit,
you are the closest person geographically to be here.
Yay!
You're like just down the road.
In paradise, hey?
Yeah, in paradise, you've just had a two hour surf,
which that sounds quite luxurious.
It was amazing.
I feel like that is the way to start your day.
Yeah, very nice.
That's so cool.
So we do live in a bit of a paradise space.
We live here at the beach in Tairawa.
I see people saying hi, so say hi to Zoe.
Say hello if you haven't.
Hello!
Gabby says hi, and it's actually quite cool,
like all the other people that have been on the summit,
well, nearly all of them have been like miles away,
other side of the world or whatever,
but the next two are actually right here in Tairawa.
So we've got Gabby following you,
which is quite cool, because we're all buds.
Yeah.
And something kind of funny is happening,
actually, man, you were there, you were part of it,
just, what is it, only like 10 days ago,
you guys were around here drawing pictures
on Alana's pregnant belly.
I know, honouring her and celebrating her.
And it was quite a kind of crazy moment as we looked,
as well, I walked into, just in the lounge,
and I'm like, holy moly, there's all these superhero chicks
that have all, like, this community of superhero chicks
just right here in Tairawa.
I was like, oh my gosh, I could,
like, you chicks could do a summit just by yourselves.
Like, all these entrepreneurs and businesswomen and leaders,
and like, just like, what?
Like, professionals, I was like, you guys are amazing.
So pretty cool to have Tairawa representing.
Lots of people saying hi.
So lots of love to everyone.
As you're jumping in,
let us know where you are in the world.
Nice and easy for us right now, 12 o'clock, midday.
You're nice and fresh.
You just had two hours on the water.
Good stuff.
Hey, why don't you pray to open up for us,
and then let's jump into some really exciting stories
about Jesus touching people's lives.
And I'm really excited to hear,
because I know you've got a ton of amazing stories to share.
Yes, I would love to pray.
Oh, thank you, Father God, for this time, for this space.
You've given us the opportunity to be together
from all different parts of the world.
And we just thank you so much.
We just lift your name high.
We bless every single person
that is here on this live right now,
and everyone else that is going to be watching it.
We just pray that you radically touch people,
and you change people's lives,
and you perform your miracles as you do.
We love you so much.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.
Wow.
Cool. Well, lots of love to all of you,
beautiful people with us.
And I think a really cool place to start
is probably to get some context by maybe,
I think what we'll do is we'll go on an adventure.
Let's do it.
We'll flip a coin.
Well, not actually flip a coin.
I'll let you choose.
Do you want to start with the past or with the present?
Like, where would you want to start?
Let's start in the past.
And I love that you said adventure
because that was my word that God gave me last year.
And it was such a cool adventure.
It was such a cool adventure.
So yeah, let's start in the past.
Okay.
All right, let's go into the past.
And let's hear about,
I think with the past,
to create context,
I mean, for people who don't know you,
it's not been that long
since you actually met Jesus yourself.
So when did you actually start following Jesus intentionally?
Like only two and a half years ago.
Okay.
Yeah, so not actually.
long ago yeah which is great this is great you know like no one's missed out you haven't missed
out if you want your life to get radically upgraded you haven't worked you haven't missed
out at all i see papa norm on the call as well hi papa norm we love you good to see you there
all people jumping in from oz saying hi around the place saying hi yes guys uh lots of love to you all
um so let's go back to the past and let's say like with what you know now what was the like
the hardest thing or the most challenging aspect of life without jesus even though you didn't know
what it was like to live with jesus like back then what was the hardest thing you look back
now and go man i'm so glad i know jesus now oh i don't know how i actually i think i just
fumbled through you know and i just fumbled through life now looking back i'm just
i think the forgiveness aspect and letting go of shame and regret and guilt that was huge for me
because you know i i would always say to myself like oh that's in the past you know leave it in
the past but it just it's not the same as knowing that you're covered by the precious blood of the
messiah you know and once you know oh man you know because like i was fully in the world doing
my thing like doing whatever i wanted and i was just satisfying these hungers and craving and the
desire but it was just my desire was jesus i just didn't know it because i was holding on to shame
i was holding on to guilt holding on to regret and yeah so that that's for me i just don't
i don't know how i did it for so long like it was very painful and i think we get into a place as
well because shame if we just take that one topic of shame yeah and how big a deal that is for
everyone yeah you generate like humans are allergic to shame you know shame is a toxic
substance but it comes it really comes from one of our deepest root issues when we're disconnected
from god and actually even if you like so many christians they follow jesus but they miss out on
the best of the best stuff because they never actually discover that he defines them they
ever actually discover their identity in him and until we actually discover our identity in him
come on we can't dislodge shame it's like it's a vacuum you know like because shame comes from
being falsely defined by your life experiences falsely defined by what everyone said about you
falsely defined by every concept of inadequacy that we're holding on to and then jesus comes
along and says actually you know what you're perfect you're made in my image and until we
have this sonic blast of jesus redefining us and bumping that off like if you treat it like oh it's
just a sticky label and you just try and pull it off well it's a vacuum just keeps on coming back
replace it yeah and then today once you find that freedom and that love of christ like for me it was
just boom instant like i my whole world was changed and yeah it's just so beautiful because
you can start to pick up things and like you put them on as your identity and then you're just
walking around with the same clothes and it's like nah take them off there you know yeah and
well actually if you're if you're up for it i'm keen to go kind of deep on this because i think
what we actually see in our generation right now is millions of people around the world
yeah all walking around you know trying to look good but just under the surface
riddled with immense levels of extremely painful excruciating levels of shame yes we're all dealing
with the same stuff we honestly are and i think that's one of the big things for me was that that
shame was kept inside and i didn't understand that god would bring that to the surface
it would be painful but not as painful as living with it for 30 years do you know what i mean he
brings it up and he cleanses you of it and you walk forward and now some of my deepest darkest
secrets they're out there like i've shared them to like 150 000 people and i'm like i'm free man
like i don't care about that anymore doesn't feel like the enemy can hold that against me anymore
or people can hold that against me because god's allowed me to rewrite my own story with him
and when i know that he's with me i know
I'm gonna prosper. I'm an abundant person that my identity is rooted in who he says I am
and who he's created me to be not anything I've done anything I've said or anything like that
and that's exciting that is like oh my goodness I get to start a new life I get to rewrite this
and the best part about it is I get to run my race with him and like man you run a day and
you're just like sprinting sometimes you'll fall over and you'll trip up but yeah it's not
as hard as it was when you know he wasn't in my life yeah totally and
oh I was just like that line there of rewriting your story is so powerful and it's actually been
a theme running through this summer because it does apply to like we've been talking about
financially you have to get a new vision you actually have to rewrite your story it's not
just something that you do in your financial side of things every single one of us is living out of
a story yeah and it's like most of us it's on replay you know the same story telling ourselves
the same things about ourselves and when you get stuck in that place and I lived there for years
as well it's just shame by it's like all shame comes from the belief that there's
something wrong with you yeah guilt comes from believing we've done something wrong but shame
comes from believing there's something wrong with me and when we have that as our like soundtrack
that's just playing and we live out of that story there's something wrong with me we always live out
of a sense of inadequacy and so if you if you're up for it just share me one of the share with me
one of those uh tracks that was on replay that you just lived in that you know that just caused
that constant um toxic cycle of shame yeah I'm gonna get deep because I feel like I'm I'm called
to women especially I feel like I've grown up and I've experienced a lot I have a lot of life
experience for just 32 years um I grew up and I was very loved it was um an amazing household but
I did experience seeing domestic violence um and seeing um you know just alcohol and drugs and
things like that so I I had had this skewed vision of um what love was and when I was 17 years old I
actually um had an abortion and I didn't want to um but there were just so many things that were
happening in my life and I on the last day I just I did it and I held on to that for literally
15 years I held on to that every single day that guilt that regret that shame that what if what have
I done you know and um it wasn't actually until I read it I had a radical encounter with God because
when I was 17 so that happened and then my dad suddenly passed away he was only 46 years old so
it was like you know the lowest that I could go and I just kept going downhill from there
I lived with it for that long and yeah it wasn't until I had this radical encounter with Jesus and
it was forgiveness he fully came over me and he was just like forgiveness you need to forgive me
myself but I also had to forgive God because I was like why did you do that why did you allow that
and that sounds so crazy like I needed to forgive God but I had held a grudge against him you know
for that whole time so for me that was huge that that literally had me like it was chains around my
neck for years and I know so many women have been through it and have done it and have allowed it
even though they're mothers today they still allow it to define them and yeah it's and it's so hard
because it's almost encouraged in today's society where we should be wrapping women with love and
encouragement and support like we should be nourishing women and mothers and you know
helping them helping them to see who God's created them to be and what they could like if they could
know what they would achieve you know by moving forward in the path that you know has been forged
for them like oh my gosh I just know that woman would yeah there would just be there would be
revival come on yeah yeah and here's the thing as well like when we're in that place
I mean, because that's not a light level of pain, is it?
I mean, you're talking you're talking pretty extreme emotional levels of pain.
Like if you put it on like a scale of one to ten for yourself, that experience.
Yeah. On a one to ten scale.
How painful was it? Excruciating.
Like a ten, like a ten, a ten, especially because I didn't want to do it,
but I did it.
And this is the thing that I am so passionate about.
Like God has given us this gift.
He's given us the Holy Spirit.
And even when we're not walking with with him, he still shares that.
He still shares with us.
He still gives us that discernment.
But because we're still carrying
shame and guilt and all that kind of stuff,
we just we brush it away.
We brush that that holiness away because we don't think we're worthy.
Yeah. And do you know what?
I went to the protests in Wellington. Right.
And without a word of a lie, I ran into my doctor when I was 17.
Her name is Justine.
She is a woman of God and she is fighting for our rights.
And like she is just the most holy, godly woman.
And I bumped into her and I said to her, do you remember me?
And she was like, oh, my gosh, I remember you.
And I said, because she encouraged me.
She encouraged me. She supported me.
She said, I will give you whatever you need.
You know, and I would walk away thinking I can do this, I can do this.
And then all the different voices from the outside would come in
and come against it.
But I said to her, you know what?
You were that person that your one act of obedience,
encouraging me, telling me that I could do it, that, you know,
it was a gift from this was a gift from God that that was a seed,
you know, and look at it now.
I've got two sets of twins.
I've got an amazing husband.
And I said to her, I'm walking with Jesus.
And we just cried and we just held each other.
And I'm like, that is the goodness of God.
That's something that I did that I had so much
angst and excruciating pain and regret
about. He's like, you know what?
I'm going to give you double portions and I'm going to double bless you
because you're my daughter and that's it.
And it's just like, whoa, you know, 15 years later,
I'm hugging her and I'm telling her this is the goodness of God.
And she's like, you have a voice.
Use it like your God has.
It's no, you know, thing that God, this has happened to you.
And you found him. You're a voice.
Yeah. And I just don't.
Yeah, I don't ever want to let that shame or that regret
of what I've done have any hold over me.
And when we talk about shaping culture,
there's lots of elements to it.
But I sometimes think people don't.
Realize that how much of our culture is actually shaped
by the fact that we aren't coping with our shame.
You know, I heard a really good line.
Someone once said to me, it's not the traumatic event
that causes the pain.
It's our response to it.
Yeah, because a traumatic event.
And they are, you know, while they can be extremely painful.
If you encounter the truth, the truth will set you free.
Now, you for you, you lived in that pain for what, like 15 years? Yeah.
So you lived in that pain for 15 years.
But if you'd had the same encounter with the truth a year in. Oh.
Yeah, you could.
It could have been like, OK, this 14 years of unnecessary.
And like you said, 10 out of 10 level of pain, which produces
this huge amount of emotional trauma, mental health issues
and is driving all these coping mechanisms.
And we look at our culture and people say, yeah, it's cool to do
all the drinking, all the drugs, all the sleeping around like that's cool.
But it's actually a whole culture driven by the fact
that we don't know how to cope with our shame. Yeah.
And it literally kills you.
It kills you. Like after that, I was very suicidal.
I was heavily drinking. I was doing drugs.
I was doing it all because I couldn't cope.
And you're right.
It wasn't necessarily just the act itself, although that was a big thing.
It was how I coped with it and how others around me
dealt with it and coped with it.
And usually when we're dealing with shame, you know,
and it's somebody else's shame, you don't necessarily
most people don't know how to deal with that.
They don't know how to confront those hard situations.
actions, especially if they haven't dealt with their own trauma.
So it's just a generational trauma, and it's a generational cycle.
And it just perpetuates itself until you get the keys
from your heavenly father.
And he slices that with the sword of truth.
And then it doesn't necessarily just go.
There's been things in my life where it's
been miraculous, and I've had just complete healing over it.
But it's just a process, a refinement of him being like, hey, look,
come on, let's deal with this.
Now I'm going to give you the tools because I've got all the tools that you
need to be set free, but we have to come to acceptance and we have to come into
full agreement with what his word tells us and what he says.
And that is often where people don't necessarily want to do the hard work.
Yeah.
And through this whole time, you've had a real voice.
It wasn't that you became a Christian, then became an influencer.
You've been an influencer for years.
How long have you been in the space of being an Instagram influencer?
Yeah, I have been in the space just over five years.
And when I came into the space,
like from the outside, it did look like I had it all,
like I had a beautiful marriage, and I've always had that.
I had, you know,
our first set of twins and we were living a great life.
So there wasn't necessarily things that I was chasing, but I got them.
Everything that we were after we got and I just chased it and chased it.
But I just still wasn't fulfilled.
Yeah, totally.
So
so before you meet Jesus, like what were you known for?
What was kind of like the theme,
the anthem, the flavor that people knew Zoe for?
I was definitely known for having two
sets of twins, but also I was known as like the mother.
My motto used to be like, you can be and do whatever you want.
And it was like I was going out.
I was going to events all the time.
Our whole life was paid for.
I was like we were flying.
I flew to Bali.
We flew to Vanuatu.
I was hosting women's events, which were highly fueled by alcohol.
And there were like 500 women at them.
And they were at the time I was like, this is amazing.
Like I'm pursuing my dreams.
I'm traveling the country.
I'm hosting these events.
I'm making insane amounts of money.
But it wasn't until there was one event
and I looked around and I was standing with my husband.
And I just had the sobering thought
because there were just all these women and everyone was just wasted.
And I was like, I questioned myself.
I was like, you know, is this essentially what I wanted to create?
Because I needed an escape as a busy mom with two sets of twins.
I wanted to go out.
I wanted to get dressed up.
I wanted to look beautiful.
I wanted a party so that I could let go of all the stress and the worries.
Like I needed a blow out, you know.
And then it wasn't until I stood there in that moment.
And I was like, is this truly what I wanted to create?
You know, it was a question to myself.
I was like, oh, I never thought about it like that.
I just thought you can do whatever you want.
Like, it doesn't matter how bad it affects you.
Just you do you.
Yeah. Yeah, totally.
So let's just do kind of like a bit of an overview of what happened
that changed you, that you actually encountered God.
What was your God story that you actually.
OK, well, let's let's completely 180 my life and start following Jesus.
Yeah. So over a couple of years, I was feeling quite pulled.
I was feeling the Holy Spirit was nudging me for sure, I would say to Junior.
And I actually didn't know how to have a relationship with him.
I didn't know I could pray or anything like that.
And I said to Junior, I said, babe, we need to go to church,
like nearly every week for two years I was going, we need to go to church.
But it wasn't until I got invited to go to this course.
It's called First Steps to Success by Danny Johnson.
And my friends, they're not Christian or anything at the time.
But they had been going to all these
events that this woman from America was hosting.
And I was super focused at the time on building
my business and making money like I had this goal.
I was like, right.
My first year, I wanted to hit 100K and I hit it.
And then the second year.
I was like, right, I want to hit 250K.
Like, let's go.
I'm going to go to this course.
So I went there and she was preaching
from the greatest book ever written.
And she was talking about the Messiah, Yeshua.
And I was kind of like, what is this woman talking about?
Everything was based from the Bible.
Everything she was teaching us about ego,
pride, forgiveness, money.
Everything was biblical.
She got this guy up on stage
and she started praying over him in tongues
and he fell over.
And I was overcome by the Holy Spirit.
It was so funny, but it was so good.
I was like, whoa.
And I was sitting with these two other women
and we were all frozen.
And like tears, we were tearing up
and we were just like, whoa,
it was a powerful move of the Holy Spirit.
So after I left there, I was driving home
and I had this complete revelation
that I had held on to unforgiveness towards God.
I was like, I've put him in the box.
And I was like, that's Pindar, I'm not opening that box.
You're there.
I literally said, you killed my dad.
And I was driving home and I just started
bawling my eyes out.
The sun was setting.
And I just said, God, I'm so sorry.
I just started repenting.
I was alone.
I just started repenting.
I was like, God, please forgive me.
Like, I need you.
And I just said, I forgive you.
Like, I know it wasn't you.
I just had a revelation straight away
that it wasn't him and that it was just my dad's time.
And just, I just, everything just came off me.
I got home and I said to Junior, I just repented to him.
I was like, I'm so sorry.
And like people that knew me back then,
like I've always been a loving, fun, outgoing person,
but I was definitely stuck in cycles
and I'd continue to repeat them.
And I just asked for complete forgiveness.
I was like, we need to go to church.
This was on the Sunday night.
On the Monday night, I went to a woman's group.
I got prophesied over and I was just hysterically crying.
It was insane.
Turned up to church on the Sunday, gave my life to Jesus.
Junior and I actually, I just looked at him.
He was dripping with sweat.
And I was like, I put my hand up.
I was like, me, me, I want to give my life to Jesus.
Like, I was so touched.
And Junior was-
That's like the preacher's dream.
Like, yes, I see that hand right there, yes, hello.
He's like, you can put your hand down.
I was like, no, I'm keeping it up.
And I looked at Junior and I was like,
are you coming with me?
Or are you staying where you are?
And he just threw his hand up.
It was like the last call.
Whoa.
We never looked back.
Like, we literally got baptized together straight away.
And yeah, I was sold out for Jesus.
And obviously everything I had shared online
was like this crazy party girl,
like mom can do anything she wants
and like going out, doing all this stuff.
And then fully to, oh my gosh, she's lost the plot.
Yeah.
I mean, so much changed for you in that context as well,
because you guys were pretty woke.
Yeah.
You know, like you were full on world culture,
pretty woke, like championing that woke cause.
And then all of a sudden, Jesus.
Yeah.
And it was literally like that.
The deception and the lies that I had been living in,
like heavy, heavy stuff.
I was into new age.
I was into witchcraft.
I was into tarot cards, psychic readings, everything.
Everything.
And I literally just chucked it all in the bin.
Wow.
I was like, yuck, this is gone.
I repent.
Like I'm, but God was so gracious.
He was so kind.
It was never like you bad, bad girl.
It was like, I've seen the light, I've seen the truth
and it no longer, you know.
Yeah, it just melts off, eh?
Yeah, it just melted off.
So that was literally it.
So here's the thing as well.
Like you start standing for Jesus,
especially when you've been in that place of being a,
you know, being a woke champion.
Yeah.
Being a champion.
Like you were a champion of sin.
You were like, yes, I'm sinning and I love it.
I was encouraging it.
I was fully encouraging it.
And I didn't even know it was sin.
Like I just didn't know because I was so used to it.
again you can go open your barbie okay um one of the things because i think people go oh sin
some people don't like that terminology but actually sin is in the english root of the word
the greek and hebrew the word actually means to miss the mark it's actually an archery term
you fire an arrow and and sinning was an archery turn that mean oh you're sinning because you
didn't hit the bullseye yeah but really if you actually really boil it down what it means is
actually means you're living outside of your identity you know that you know the line for
all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god yeah um that's because the glory of god
is what we were made for so like we're missing the mark if we're not living in the glory
yeah we're not living in what we were created for and we're also not living out of a revelation of
who we really are because jesus said in john 17 22 i have given them the same glory that the father
gave me that they may be one as we're one so this concept of sinning is actually it's just living
outside of our identity living outside of an understanding that we're perfectly made in the
image of god and when you live outside of that understanding that you're perfectly made in the
image of god exclusively defined by christ uh there's nothing lacking about who you are there's
nothing inadequate about who you are there's nothing shameful about who you are everything
that you've done in the past that might have regret has been fully uh forgiven there's nothing to feel
guilty about you're a hundred percent free and you live out of freedom you live out of abundance you
live out of glory and so you know in the past i mean you were just living out of shame yeah and
saying to everyone hey like everyone like look at my coping mechanisms yay
but you know so you go from a like a champion of coping mechanisms which you know when everyone's
championing it becomes a culture so champion of that culture to now all of a sudden you're
completely counter-cultural counter like counter yeah but you know what for me i don't know why
the response was so good like i because i just as i had always i naturally shared my life i was like
this is my life take me as i am or leave i don't care like i kind of had that attitude and when i
found jesus like i was sharing you know oh my gosh my kids got dedicated like i was sharing everything
and we shared our baptism online and it was so crazy like it got exponential views like
exponentially give it to daddy baby doubles i know yeah oh good oh it was just yeah it was amazing
i can't even explain it i still sit back and i'm like whoa this is my life now this has happened
wow and so because you had that like tens of thousands of people following you and an instagram
you start sharing your story and you started seeing a move of god so like tell me about that
what actually happened because i mean we see social media and we see the challenges of a week
but like there's a also a real blessing in technology like what was the move of god that
began to unfold as you just start opening up your world oh honestly i was just sharing what
was happening like and i was going online and i was fully repenting but i wasn't like i wasn't
looking at it as like i need to go on and repent like i was just like hey guys look i'd have i've
had a um i would pop up a questions box and people were like oh what about are you still doing like
your cards your angel cards and i was just come on and be like guys i'm so sorry like i'm so sorry
that i because i was to see i was taking people into deception i would like do them and stuff
online and i would say i'm so sorry but um yeah i i fully repented of this and i was deceived
and um this is the truth and i would just share the truth like it wasn't a biggie it wasn't a
biggie at all i was like yeah this is the truth and people were like oh my goodness like people
were throwing theirs away i have spoken to thousands and thousands of women over the years
and people are turning away from all sorts like everything you can think of they're just saying
thank you so much you shared with me how i can have an intimate relationship with christ and it
was so natural it wasn't like hey come here or come to church or like you know it was just genuine
they
could see my love and how genuine it was.
And they were like, I need that.
It was almost like,
because I had this newfound love,
people were kind of like jealous.
They were like, what have you, how do you get that?
What is that?
And I'd be like, you don't even, I was like, guys,
guess what?
You can just pray to God.
Did you know that?
I'm like, I didn't know that.
I can just talk to God whenever I want and I can pray.
And I was like, you know, looking at even sharing the Bible,
I would share different, you know, what are they?
The versions, because people would be like,
I've got a Bible and I could never, yeah.
So all the different translations, I'd be like,
this is what I'm using.
Like, this is so awesome.
The amplified version,
if you don't know what you're reading,
or I would just share and I just didn't care.
And I still don't to this day,
because I'm like, no, this is awesome.
I'm just sharing what feels naturally.
Women were getting saved.
They were like leaving toxic relationships.
They're healing.
They're healing from abortion.
They're healing from, you know, sexual abuse.
People are focusing on their marriages.
Come on.
Because I was like, oh my goodness, I have to submit.
Because I was such a dominant person,
especially in my marriage.
You know, it's like, whatever I want goes.
And now I just have the utmost respect
and admiration for my husband.
And I was, I'm just a champion
for being a submissive wife now, like, you know,
and loving on my husband in the right way,
because, you know, culture is like,
you need to be an independent woman.
And I'm like, well, I need to love on my husband
and I know who I am, you know,
but, you know, our marriage is so important.
So just all that kind of stuff I was sharing and yeah,
just so many women finding Christ, which was amazing.
So I want to talk a little bit now about shaping culture
because you're seeing thousands of lives touched by Jesus.
I mean, possibly because of the position of influence
that you're in, you're actually able to touch more people
for Jesus than a lot of churches will touch in a decade.
You know, when we got baptized,
my whole family got saved.
So I prayed and fasted.
I didn't even know what that was,
but someone was like, if you pray and fast,
and I said to Junior, I'm going to pray and fast,
because I just had this insane faith.
I was like, no, if God says it,
and I was like, my family's going to get saved.
And my friends were like,
oh, we've been praying for our families for like 10 years.
And I'm like, no, I've prayed and I've fasted, so they will.
So had a radical move of God.
And there were like nearly 40 people that day that got saved.
Wow.
And it was huge.
They were like, we've never had this many people saved.
And I'm not saying that it was us,
but I'm just, I knew that God had given us influence.
And I just knew, I was like, no,
this is how it's meant to be.
Like, this is it.
Come on, that is wild.
And I love it.
And I think that the shape and culture element
that I want to touch on is the power of social media.
Yes.
The power of social media.
Now we see at the moment all sorts of different things.
I mean, just this, like yesterday I was banned on,
I couldn't go live on Facebook yesterday
for speaking truth and life.
But there's the flip side as well
of the power of social media
to bring massive influence and transformation.
Just, do you want to share some of the trends
and some of the positives that you're seeing
coming from social media
of how you can actually shape culture?
Yes.
Like for me, I started to like,
and it hasn't been up until recently
because when I first started, right,
it was just a natural progression of people following
and they just follow.
And then you kind of feel like they're shaping you
because you're trying to meet people's demands
and expectations.
But when we realized that people come to us,
like they are coming to you for a reason
and you have no idea what that reason is,
but you can literally impact, you know,
so many people, even strangers that don't know you
or follow you, it's right there and it's free.
And it's just in our hand.
Like you can pick it up.
So accessible.
Yeah, it's super accessible.
And like most people have social media now.
So, you know.
And I just think, man, what an awesome tool to share the gospel and just to live out your life,
sharing the fruits of your life and sharing, you know, the miracles, because I'm just like,
every day is a miracle. You know, I try to, for me, I just keep it as a place where like,
it's us, it's our little piece. And it's definitely come with persecution. But I'm like,
oh, well, like, you know. And I mean, you caused a little bit of a flurry not so long ago
in New Zealand with some posts, was it probably 18 months ago now that you were just posting about
your perspective on freedom and some of the directions of New Zealand politics and
even the Prime Minister really weighed in on that conversation that you sparked.
Oh, that was back in August 2020. And I was like, super petrified, you know,
when everything first came out. And then there was just a shift in me. And I was like, hey,
this isn't actually making any sense. And I just, honestly, I did not think anything was
going to come of it. And I just shared a few of like my opinions, what I was feeling, what I was
seeing, and what I was seeing that was going to potentially progress in the future. And I shared
it and oh my goodness, like I went to sleep that night because I had started, I had posted and
I had had a flurry, like thousands of people were like, yes, this is what I can say. And then
this woman got hold of it. And she just trolls people. And she shared me and I started getting
people like trolling us, like hardcore trolls. And I was just like, whatever, I didn't think it was
going to be that bad. And I was like, yeah, come on now trolls, like, you know, and then the next
day I woke up and it was like, we were receiving death threats. They were bringing my family into
it. People were like, spitting the most evil hatred, people that I knew, even friends,
even friends were just messaging me and just like releasing all their stuff onto me.
And I honestly didn't think it was that big a deal because of how clearly I saw things. I was like,
oh man, but then we were like in every, you know, newspaper, we were on the radio, we were on the
news. And it was pretty full on, like, you know, all the brands that I was working with,
they started to get like, you know, they were getting complaints about me. And in the end,
I just said to them, like, look, I don't, I had been feeling that way inclined anyway. Like,
I think the Holy Spirit was nudging me to move away from being reliant on other people for our
income and having to censor myself. I didn't want to do that anymore. I was like, nah, I'm finally
free. I want to just cut the ties. But that meant cutting like our income. So yeah, then I just
terminated all of our contracts after that. And we just moved out of Auckland. We just, that was
like, honestly, the biggest refinement. It was so amazing. It was hard though. We didn't realise we
had a bit of PTSD until like, we got out and, you know, just relaxed for a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's a pretty, it's pretty hectic, those big moments like that. But that brings another element
into it. So I guess what I want to bring people's attention onto here is, there is actually the
opportunity for anyone who really wants to, to build a social media brand, you know, to build
their own brand online right now, that can be a platform for influence, can be a platform for
spreading the gospel, platform for encouragement, discipleship, political transformation, but also
business. I mean, you said you had 100k in your first year. Yeah. As an influencer. And I didn't
even know what I was doing. I don't have a degree. I don't know. I didn't know anything. But I knew,
I knew that I was called to do it. I just knew it. And that was without knowing God.
But, you know, if you have five people, that's five people that you can use to influence for good,
you know, but I think people just look to others now with a big platform. And they're like, oh,
wow, you know, and it's like, no, if you know your worth, and you know your value, and you know what
you're bringing to the table, man, you can ace it. You can do anything, you see.
your mind to. Yeah and I mean there is a whole world of opportunity available for people if
they want to actually step into this space I mean it doesn't matter really you can be an influencer
you can build a social media platform and brand regardless of who you are regardless of what your
hobbies are regardless of of it partly because the world is so massive right now like niches
are so huge you're like oh yeah well I just um I'm just uh like a horse person or I'm I just
a diver or whatever actually if you look at like tiny percentages um like as 0.00001 percent
of of the world being interested in something equals millions of people being interested in
that thing literally and I think that's another thing like within culture we're not taught that
we are we're gifted and we have these gifts and these talents that are specific to us specific to
our calling and when you hold on to that and you're not looking outside you know and comparing yourself
to everybody else you actually go oh what do I like what do I love what's my passion you know
and then you you do that don't worry about what everyone else is doing you need to look within
like who has God created you to be who is he calling you to what is he calling you to and
often it's like what do I love doing what am I super passionate about yeah let's do that and
mine was literally just building an encouraging woman that was it yeah and now that I know that
and I understand that I know that's my life calling and I love it I enjoy it it's never work
you know now that I've found surfing I'm like cool I can bring in all these elements of like
my life I mean you've got a surf retreat coming up soon right I'm so excited it's nearly sold out
and it's just it's going to be incredible because we're all going to be in one space and we can
connect and you know I'm going to host a beautiful woman's circle where we're just like encouraging
each other and we can get into the presence of God and when I'm out on the water as well that
was just a huge gift from God to me because I'm just in this vast ocean and it's one of the only
places in the world for me where I can just completely switch off and be with God completely
and it is just my spot it's my space and I'm like oh man I got to get women out there and past their
fears to like tap into that supernatural realm because oh so much fun yes that's beautiful I think
this whole concept of what we're talking about influencer one of the things that you've really
stewarded so well is having a voice I mean even before you knew Jesus you understood the power
of having a voice and as a result of stewarding that I mean you've been able to create cultural
impact personal impact political impact business impact building a business I mean you created
multiple income streams off the back of a voice yeah just by being myself how many income streams
to date have you generated through through this process of actually building a personal brand
online having a voice online how many income streams have you rolled off that I would have
lost I've actually lost count like there have been so many you know I've tapped into events
I've tapped into brands I've tapped into commission we had a label like all sorts you know I was
speaking at events I was I was just doing anything and everything I was like a little chameleon you
know like yeah I'd just feel it out and then I'd do it and if I didn't if it didn't feel right I
wouldn't do it I've done all sorts and you're still I mean you're still doing that right now
except you're doing it differently you're doing it now you're doing it where you really feel
alignment first yeah and if you feel alignment it's like boom right let's hit that yeah yeah
and it's okay to change and it's okay to grow and it's okay to say no like even for me
turning away lots of money massive contracts like we you know essentially could have been
really set up right now um but God's predict like what we think we're losing out on God is just like
no sorry like I've got this you don't need to worry like when I let go of our contracts I let
go of $140,000 because I just valued I valued that rest I was like I need to go into full
restoration mode and I had a whole year of just
resting. But God, by some miracle, we bought a house right before the market boomed. And now
we've got $500,000 in equity in our house in 18 months. That's like over triple of what we
left behind. And God's just like, I've got you. It's okay. So that's just an encouragement to
people. Sometimes we just hold on to things and they're dead and gone. And you know, it's like,
nah, it's time to move forward and just trust God wherever he's leading. And to be honest,
it's always been blindfolded for us. We have not known any time.
We've got Renee Lansdowne here dropping some love bombs here for you.
I love you, Renee. You're amazing.
She's coming to my surf retreat.
Yeah, come on. We just love Renee. So here's something that people might not have really
considered in the context of, you know, the possibility of building multiple income streams
and not just building multiple income streams, building multiple income streams,
dramatically impacting lives. I mean, you're seeing more of a revival taking place on social
media than a lot of churches will see in a decade. It's wild. So I guess what I'm wanting to
try and highlight for people, and I'll get you just to comment on this in a second, but it's like
the value of building a social media brand, a position of an influencer, what is possible
of coming off the back of that? You know, it's a huge investment, isn't it?
Yeah, it is. It's an investment of your time, your emotions, like everything. And I've always
been like quite invested into it because, you know, I've connected with people. When I look
through my messages and my social media, I just like, oh my gosh, it's insane. Because you're
connecting with real people, you know, they have real lives, they have real issues. And when you
just speak to their issues about with your experience, and you know, that's it. People
just need to know that they're not alone, you know, and that life can be turned around in a
second. I think people seeing me from what I was to what I am today, it's like, whoa, you know,
and you'll always have people that are against you. But I just am always like, nah, man, if God
is for me, who can be against me? Because when you do things that you're called to do, and you do them
well, you have people coming up against you. Yeah, but just don't, I just encourage people not to lose
focus of all the good work that is being done. Like, and if I think about all the messages that
I've received, and the stories and the testimonies that I've had, that's only a drop in the ocean of
the impact. Because now they're going out there. And they're sharing, you know, and it's never about,
it's not even about us. You know, it's just about all these people who are seeing transformation
in their lives, because they're connecting with our creator. And it's so amazing. And it's so
simple. Yeah, so simple. And yeah, so I guess, in the context of a Kingdom Business Summit, I love
this for multiple reasons. Like, I know that building, building a brand online, this won't be
everyone's. Yeah, thing. But it will be some people's thing. And some people, this is going
to be a real opportunity for you. And this is actually going to be the platform that God wants
you to build. And when you build a social media platform, you build an online brand,
I mean, you're building a platform that you can transform lives, spark revival, see cultural
transformation, political impact. And like you said, when you have a place of influence,
you've lost count of how many income streams you've been able to run off the back of it, because
influence is actually what every advertiser is trying to buy, they're trying to buy attention,
they're trying to buy traffic. And we've spent hundreds of 1000s of dollars as Raising Wealthy
buying traffic, you know, to, to catch people's attention. Well, this is what
this is what you build as an influencer, you own the traffic, in a sense, you create all
this traffic, you create all this attention, and you can use it.
for so many beautiful purposes.
And what I love the most is just, I mean,
cause I love the fact that we can create
multiple income streams, right?
Yeah.
And so you can have your money, make money
and things like that.
I love automation and that's cool for just making money,
but those things you have to use the money afterwards
to make impact that doesn't make impact in the process.
But what I love about social media influencing
is you can completely transform a person's life
in the process and you can also have income streams.
It's like this all in one package that the position,
the platform of influence just gets to radically
shape people's lives.
Yeah. And it's free.
It's free.
Like when my accountant would be like,
what are your overheads?
I'm like, what do you mean?
I'm like, oh, my wifi.
I don't know.
My phone.
Yeah.
How much capital investment did you need?
Just a phone.
I just needed my phone and internet
and I could travel around the world, you know?
Yeah.
And that's what people don't realize and understand
with just being taught like this nine to five,
Monday to Friday.
And like, honestly, when I wake up and I'm like,
this is our life.
I feel like we're living on a holiday.
And when I used to tell people, I was like,
oh, I'm going to make money off social media.
They were like, you're crazy.
You can't do that.
And I found a way, because I was like, no, I can.
I know that I'm, I know I can do this
because I started to think,
oh, if I've got 10,000 followers right now
and, you know, 5,000 people are seeing this one thing,
I'm like, brands pay 10,000 bucks for a billboard.
You know, they pay a hundred K for an ad on TV
and they don't know who they're going to touch, you know?
And that was the thing for brands that I was working with.
I was making like hundreds of thousands in sales, you know?
And there were amazing products that I loved.
I was like, oh, well, I love these.
I use them.
They work.
They're great.
Why not?
Come on.
So good.
Hey, we're going to bring it in for a landing,
but the last thing I would like just to have you speak on
is just speaking to people who feel like they have a voice,
but they're just on the edge of, you know,
like they're thinking about taking some action.
What would you say to those people who feel like,
hey, I feel like I've got something building in me
and social media platform might be the space for me.
What would you say to those people
who are kind of right on the edge of thinking
maybe I should do something here?
Yeah, I would just say, just start.
Just start, just be yourself
and just start.
I wouldn't share too much with people
about what you're going to do
because I just know that some people are like, oh no,
you know, and that can put you off,
but just start, just do something
and move towards whatever you feel called and doing.
And if that's what you want to do, you will do it well.
And you don't have to have a plan
and be all like strategic about it.
Just start, just start sharing your heart, you know,
just start speaking on your experiences
and connecting with people.
People just want to feel like they have been heard
and they have been seen.
And I truly believe for me, you know,
like I've always had like,
oh, you're so public with your life and all this stuff.
And I'm like, what you see on social media
is like five minutes of my day.
That's not my whole day.
I share what I want to share
and I get to curate that to however I want.
And there's nothing wrong with wanting to share.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to help people
and make a difference.
And I can honestly say, even in the sharing,
there's so much healing for yourself as well.
And you'll just, yeah, you'll just start flourishing
when you're doing the things that you want to do
because you just get held back otherwise
and you just never do it.
Yeah, absolutely.
I hear you.
It's so cool.
So Zoe, I just want to say thank you.
And I want to thank you as well
because I really feel that a lot of people
are like having lights go on right now going,
oh man, I didn't realize that if I want to start a business
or I want to start impacting lives
or I want to start building a platform
and all I need is this.
I just need a phone or a laptop
or you just go to a library, right?
You don't even have to own it.
You can just borrow it.
You can create free accounts.
So you don't have to really have anything,
just access to the internet,
create a free account on Instagram or Facebook
or something like that.
And you've got everything that you need right there.
you know for people especially if you're starting with nothing you're like man how can I start from
scratch and build something amazing you can just start right there with next to nothing and you can
build something that is impacting like you like you've built thousands of lives being touched
generating hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales and a real resource and a tool for
personal transformation cultural transformation political impact and um and as a result I mean
like this gives you freedom right like do you you didn't you didn't work a job you just and I don't
ever want to because I've I know what I know what I'm capable of now and that was with
my phone you know because I've heard too many people say I need to get once I get to this place
that's when I'll start and I'm like nah man you're gonna start right here right now like even if
you're at the lowest of the low or the worst of the worst start somewhere yeah start somewhere and
move forward and that's it's that simple like there's no magic pill just start be yourself
do it come on fantastic all right hey why don't you pray for us to close this up and then we're
going to be going into grab gabby which is going to be exciting all right oh I just want to honor
you too thank you lord thank you for benji thank you for raising royalty thank you for this
incredible platform I just pray that you continue to bless it as you're impacting lives from all
around the world um we just give all the honor and the glory to you I just bless every single person
watching this right now we just thank you so much I pray that lights are going on and they stay on
and that um a fire starts to burn within people and they start to go out there into the world and
do what they're called to do and use their gifts and talents to just transform not just their lives
but people around them lord I thank you we love you so much papa in jesus name amen amen papa we
thank you for zoe we thank you for putting a lot of fresh fire just infusing it into every word
every photo every video that she posts probably thank you for a fresh fire uh lord being infused
into everything that that fire of your love will light people's hearts up like never before but we
thank you for the vulnerability that she's shared with we thank you for the power of her voice
and the power of her testimony we thank you for how every word has impacted each life those are
listening live and those in the future in jesus name amen amen thank you so much you're amazing
oh such a delight zoe thank you so much uh everyone's saying hi hi um people are so stoked
on what you uh are sharing here paradigm shifts what a beautiful woman courageous woman yes
inspired love um yeah just yeah people are loving it so thank you lots of comments coming in here
lots of love lots of thank yous so um yeah lots of love to you from all over the world
so grateful and we'll catch you soon bye bye