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Hello beautiful people.
How are you?
Welcome.
Welcome to the kingdom creative Zoom chat.
We are so glad you are all jumping in and tuning in.
I know it will take a few minutes as you all jump in.
We will give you a few seconds as you all hop in.
We are going to be talking about the myth of the sacred and secular divide.
It will be great.
I will give you some time to jump on in.
I will give you a few seconds to jump in.
Hi, how are you?
I hope you are all doing well.
I hope you all are doing well and having a great morning or afternoon or evening.
We are going to be talking about the myth of the sacred and secular divide.
I will give you a few seconds to jump in.
We are going to be talking about the myth of the sacred and secular divide.
As I mentioned earlier,
we are going to be talking about debunking the sacred and secular myth.
The divide that the world and the church is so often wrestled with.
We will be talking about that and how that relates to us in our artistic
creative expression.
I will give you a few seconds to jump in.
I would love to see where you are tuning in from.
We have all of you beautiful people tuning in from.
We have India, the States.
Where else are you guys from?
I am tuning in from Vancouver, Canada.
It is a beautiful winter day.
I love it.
Another fellow Canadian.
I love it.
So great.
Now we are supposed to have pouring rain the next week.
Everyone is trying to hold onto the last few days of sunshine.
That vitamin D.
That is awesome.
Is it Jeremy?
That is such a cool way to spell your name.
That is so cool.
I have never seen a name spelled like that.
That is so awesome.
I love it.
They are so unique.
How about different ones?
Leander, Thomas.
Awesome.
How is it going in India?
How was your day?
I had a really long day.
It is 1030 in the night here.
It has been good.
We are getting back to the normal life.
The post-COVID life.
Now people are
trying to get into the normal thing.
There are a lot of cases.
The government said
you can do whatever you want.
Just be careful.
Take care of yourself.
They removed all the restrictions.
We are all
frustrated.
people are really struggling to live, do their life.
Yeah.
So they actually took away a lot of restrictions
and rules and stuff.
So all the people are outside and wearing masks
and some are not, and yeah, it's crazy, but it's good.
Oh my gosh, I can't wait for that to happen in Canada.
Like remove the mandates, this is crazy.
I'm so ready to get out in society and just,
I mean, nothing will ever be normal again,
but you know, you want to go back to like life,
humanity, interaction, you know what I mean?
All that, so I'm so glad that you have that.
That is like, oh, all my friends in different countries
that are like that too, they're just like,
yeah, everyone's out, there's no mask,
people are interacting.
I'm like, come on Canada, get your act together.
So we're on our way.
So I'm glad that that's happening in India.
So good, so good.
Just see more of you popping on.
We just say, hi, welcome.
We're so glad you're here.
We're so looking forward to today's chat.
Beautiful people, love seeing your faces,
love seeing your names.
So yeah, so looking forward to connecting with you guys.
Awesome, yeah, actually, as we just,
before we get into it and just start sharing,
would love to hear what kind of art you're involved in,
what kind of creativity, what impression,
maybe if you want to just unmute yourself
and just take 30 seconds and just introduce yourself,
say hi, where you're from, and then what you do.
Like, are you in architecture?
Are you in fashion?
Do you love poetry?
Are you in singing?
Do you love cooking?
Or are you like, I'm not really an artist,
but I just love creativity and I want to grow in it.
Are you an author?
What aspect of creativity do you do?
So yeah, why don't you just hop off just for 30 seconds,
say hi, and let us know where you're from
and then what art you love.
Who's going to be brave?
Who's going to do the first one?
Come on, you beautiful people.
Well, I'll go first.
I'm Zailin and I'm a singer-songwriter.
I'm a musician and yeah, I'm from India.
I actually base here and travel around and play music.
And right now I'm actually producing my another single
and yeah, it's good.
Awesome.
So who's next?
Yes.
So fun.
Zailin is like world-class drummer,
incredible digital design.
He has a beautiful voice.
His songs are like next level.
One of his songs, like if you know the Pharrell happy song,
one of his songs gives me the same feeling.
It is the most beautiful music video.
We're going to have to, can you do that?
Can you link that song?
You know, this song that you're like dancing
in different things and you've got like kids dancing
and you're like dancing on the beat.
You need to play that for everyone
because it's phenomenal.
So Zailin is just such a gift in so many ways.
And then within Raising Royalty,
he heads up our kingdom creative whole kind of ministry.
And he has so many good kind of gold nuggets,
wisdom, creative tools, things just to encourage you
and just build you up,
things to give you new perspective input.
So if you're not part of our Raising Royalty tribe yet
or part of our Facebook group, so wanna encourage you.
We have a whole page for kingdom creatives
and it is so encouraging,
just like really great strategic things,
knowledge, wisdom, revelation, things that are practical,
things that are more artistic,
things that are spiritual, the whole thing.
So encourage you to check that out.
Laura, you are from Texas.
You're an abstract artist.
Amazing.
I love abstract art.
Isalina, you're a dancer and you dance for the Lord.
I love it.
I love dancing too.
Anya, hi.
You wanna say hi?
Oh, it's, oh, hold on.
You're muted, my love.
Do you know how to unmute yourself?
Yeah.
There we go.
Oh, hi.
Yeah, we can hear you.
I was just busy typing and then I was like,
oh, it's easier to just talk.
Yes, of course.
I'm Anya.
I'm from Wellington, New Zealand
and I am an editor, writer, author,
but I also own a beautiful publishing company
and just a Christian publishing company
where we help Christians publish books.
So I've got a lovely team of creatives.
um yeah editors, cover designers, formatters um and we help yeah Christians basically get their
the books that have started on God's heart we help them get them out so I'm really excited
for my team to watch this later in the day it's 6am here. Wow yeah. Anya that is amazing. Thank
you so much for this this is amazing. Oh gosh we love this it's just such a joy to connect with
people around the world and artists and be like we're on this journey together of discovering
kind of who we are in God what God's heart is how do we just champion and serve one another
and expressing the fullness of who he's called us to be and releasing heaven on earth and then
actually building together and releasing fruit that nourishes and nurtures people and actually
brings light and color and healing and breakthrough and deliverance and fullness of God so this is
such a joy so thank you for who you are and what you do and thank you for saying hi. I lived in
New Zealand for about eight, nine, ten years so I love Aotearoa. I miss it. I went to high school
in Canada so maybe you know. Yes totally let's do it. Yeah so good to see you thanks for saying hi
um does anybody else want to pop on and just say hi for 30 seconds where you're from what you do
your artistic expression we just love seeing all the amazing people part of these zooms
um I see that lc roll says um that you are in I'm so sorry I don't know how to say Himachal
Pradesh in north India it's raining I don't know my network is unstable if it might not continue
okay Jesus we just pray that your network and your wi-fi will be strong and you can stay with us
but thanks for saying hi
does anybody else want to just say hi what you do what you love
you don't even have to do it as a profession it could just be something that you love
hi my name is Karen I'm from Canada hi Karen I'm in Saskatchewan here um
I I always think of the creative design is just who God is deposited inside us
right who we are and how we express how how we express Him through us
so I don't know if that's what what everyone else believes but yeah I know um it was even
it was even prophesied over me that I would be artistic and
I was like oh how's that gonna happen this is a while ago
so I'm um I'm a tutor during the day I um but I'm moving into a more coach uh coaching space
okay so um yeah I I help women move from a place of abort um from their abortion
abortive past port of spirit experience into a restored dignity so that's my coaching space
Karen that is incredible yeah well you take your mass and you make it your message yeah
amen that is just and that's I think one of the the most beautiful um hearts of creativity is that
it's redemptive that we need creativity in every aspect of our life you know to to do our accounts
and our finances to make a home to do relationships to make food like creative is expressed in
everything and who we are and what we do because we are made in the image of God and God is a
creator and the whole I mean I shouldn't say the whole one of the beautiful fruits of creativity
is redemption it's restoration it's healing and so when you're taking that creative expression
through your coaching and through relationship and you are loving people and allowing that
creative flow to bring redemption and restoration and beauty from ashes and joy from mourning and a
spirit of praise where there's been heaviness I mean that is what art does that is what creativity
does that is what the creative spirit does it brings transformation it brings redemption it
brings people from darkness to light from death to life and you know creativity can be used in so many
destructive ways but when the heart and the spirit and the motivation behind it is love
there is nothing it can't do it can't heal and bring breakthrough and transformation so I love
that thank you for saying hi and sharing that and we just pray that God would just continue to bring
the utmost resurrection life to these beautiful women
and that they would be given a double portion of honor.
That says that in Isaiah 61,
right after it goes to the beauty for ashes,
joy for mourning,
praise that there'd be a double portion of honor
where we've had shame.
And we all need that in our life.
We all have had shame and we need that double portion
of honor and love and redemption gives that to us
in the grace of Jesus.
So, so bring it on.
I love it, Karen.
Amen.
Saying hi.
Hi.
Another lady say hi.
Hi, Diane, how are you?
I'm good.
Yeah, I was kind of hesitant to share
because like, you know,
but you gave such a beautiful space for it.
And I'm loving everything I'm hearing already
because I'm coming out of a difficult place,
you know, just getting over anxiety
and depression from something painful.
And it's almost like trying to find myself again.
And I, and I am, you know,
I do see myself creative.
It just hasn't.
And as far as like, like nutritional,
like everybody loves my food
and nutritional delicious snacks,
like bringing health,
like bringing my creativity that way.
But also in a small way,
God has used my pain that I'm mentoring
and helping bringing out like what you're saying,
the beauty out of other women.
And I love, love that.
So whatever way I can do that.
So part of me joining this felt like I just wanted
to be able to take away the stigma
from everybody else so that I can come into this space.
Cause I I'm struggling.
I'm just, I'm in a place of struggle right now,
but I'm wanting to receive
so that I can step up with everybody.
Well, honey, like, I just want to say
that we all probably can understand
and relate to that and just validate
that tender vulnerable place
when it's like, you're just in the battle every day
and you're fighting for the territory of your heart
and your mind, emotionally, mentally,
spiritually, physically.
And so I just want to pray that today
that there would be a real kiss to your heart
from the father.
There would be that creative force of his ability to lift.
You know, like there'd be that lifting.
You're the glory and the lifter of our head.
And so even the swirl of the darkness
of the pain, of the trauma,
of the unforeseen circumstances, whatever it is,
I think we can all, I can 100% identify, relate,
been there, done that,
still walking through so much myself.
And so the beauty in that is for these times
where we go, wow, I'm not alone.
And wow, there is grace to overcome.
And there actually is beauty
that's going to pierce through all of the layers of stuff.
And there's that kind of like strength to uplift,
you know, that hand that comes,
like he put a new stone in my spirit.
Like he lifted me up from the miry clay.
He's put me on the rock.
That's the 140 reality of those that look to the Lord
are radiant, you know, Psalm 34.
You know, and so we just, we keep saying,
God, you're the glory and the lifter of our head.
We just keep lifting our head to you.
You let that joy and that light
and that come sing over us.
You know, he delights over you with singing.
And so part of, I think, even us getting out of those places
is actually us just in surrender
to how madly in love he is with us
and allowing him to sing over us as his beloved
and actually being in a posture to receive.
It just blows our mind how loved we are
and how seen we are.
And he's not in a rush or pointing the finger
and demanding something.
He's like that shepherd that comes right in the midst
of what we're going through and with us in it.
And then he's picking up the pieces
and he's every trigger is a treasure
and every moment of trauma,
he brings us from trauma into triumph.
And so this is our God.
This is our father.
This is the lover of our soul.
This is our best friend.
This is our, this is the one
who literally like everything he touches,
it just turns to gold.
It turns to healing.
It turns to the miraculous.
There's a miracle in the mess.
And so, yes, I just bless you.
And I'm so glad that you're here
and I pray that you and each one of us,
and we give and receive to one another.
And there's this nurturing, life-giving,
resurrection life flow of going,
we're in this together as sons and daughters.
And we're all lifting our eyes to the father saying,
show us who you are again.
Teach us, remind us who you are.
Wow us, captivate us with your beauty,
with your voice, with your presence, with your kingdom.
Release angels.
Come take us up in throne room encounters.
Open us up to heaven like we've never seen before.
realm is so much more real than the natural. So God, cause us to come alive to us, like
take us up. So I'm going to stop talking, but it's so good to hear. I want to hear from
other people that want to say hi, but bless you, Diane. Thank you for saying hi. Is there
anyone else that just wants to say hi and let us know where you're from and let us know
kind of what you love creatively, maybe your profession or your art or your passion or
your hobby. Hi everyone. Hi, how are you? I'm okay. Hi. How are you Dana? Good. It's
good to see you again. Nice to see you again too. I, I, I was free today, so I figured
I'd jump on. I saw the email. I was like, ah, yeah. Hi, my name is Leander. I'm from
the Caribbean. I'm from an Island called Trinidad and Tobago in the Caribbean. Beautiful
place where the place that the steel pan was created. So that's us. I'm a writer, songwriter
and filmmaker. Those are my areas for creativity. And it's, it's a beautiful thing to be able
to explore those passions in the kingdom. So I am very happy to be here saying hello.
So all you wonderful people and hi Dana. Thanks for putting this together. And hi Zylon. Remember
you from last time, sir. Yes. Yes. Good to see you again. Yeah. And now Dana, she dropped
the hint. You got to drop the video now. Cause now I want to see it. Honestly, it is.
So when I first saw it, I was like, like when I first heard the happy song from Pharrell,
I was like, woo, just like death all the time. And when I saw this video from Zylon, I was
like, Zylon. Oh my gosh. Like it was just like, honestly, I got full of so much joy,
the creativity, like just the videography, his voice, the song. I was like, Zylon, you're
legit. Oh my gosh. You're awesome. By the way, I actually write in my language. It's an Indian
language. It's called Malayalam. It's not English, but the spirit, I think everybody can like
vibe into it. Zylon, I don't know if you know, but my country is more than 45% East Indian.
So that's the direct route to India. So bring it on man. There's curry running through my veins.
Amazing. I love that.
There's curry running through my veins. That is the line of the day.
So good. That is so awesome. Yes. So Zylon, come on. Give the people what they want.
I'm literally eating curry right now. Let's go.
That's awesome. Jeremy, yes. Oh, I love it. So when I grew up, we had a Bollywood movie
every Sunday. So yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah. And well, obviously cricket, we battle
all the time. West Indies versus India. So bring it on man. Drop the link already.
The only problem though, is like, you're all going to go off the Zoom and then you're all
going to watch the movie and then I'll be like, come on everyone. After the Zoom.
Just because we want to like engage with y'all. We just want to be with y'all. But no, honestly,
it's so good. So much. And we also have our amazing Fi, who is in Madagascar, who's got
beautiful music as well. I don't think he's able to join us today. He might join us a bit later,
but he is just such a gift as well. His music. And if you've seen some of his stuff through
Raising Royalty, he won the talent quest, the Raising Royalty talent quest that we did last
year, which we're doing another one again, hopefully in a few months. I think we're
still trying to nail down the exact date. So any of you that want to come through and
be part of that talent quest, it would be amazing to have you part of it.
So thank you for saying hi, Leanne. It's so good to see your beautiful face.
Okay. I didn't hear you that last little bit, but I'm feeling the.
Sorry. I said, thank you, Dana. Always great to be here. Bless you.
Oh, bless you so much. Okay. Well, we might just hop into our topic today and we'll be kind of
interactive. I'm just actually going to grab my notes. One second.
We'll just kind of like talk through.
probably just like a few of the basics,
knowing that we all come from different walks of life.
We all come from different spiritual journeys.
We all come from different denominations.
We come from different cultures.
We come from so many different aspects of life.
And so by no means is Mears Island giving like the,
once all this is the truth,
but this is where we're at in our journey.
These are the things, the revelation,
the different aspects of scripture,
things that we've learned in our artistic journey.
And our whole heart in this
is to be as redemptive as possible.
It's to be as liberating.
Like my heart in this is that
every time we do one of these chats
and there's just different content
or encouragements or exhortations
or different things that we're sharing
is that it would be liberating.
It would be awakening.
There would be more freedom for you.
There would be the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of Jesus,
in the knowledge of the kingdom,
in the knowledge of his heart,
his nature and his character
that would be awakening you
in who you're created to be as a son and daughter,
as a man or a woman,
as a creative that would spark something in you
to just come alive and thrive like never before,
that you would come alive,
that ideas would come,
that yeah, whether it's a script,
whether it's a book,
whether it's a recipe,
whether it's an idea for your coaching practice,
whether it's something in your marriage
or your relationship,
whether it's something,
whatever it is,
that the whole motivation is love,
that everything we do,
we want it to be the motivation of love,
that we want to love the Lord, our God,
with all of our heart,
with all of our soul,
with all of our mind,
with all of our strength.
And so the basis of our heart behind debunking
the myth between sacred and secular
is that what we've discovered as biblical
is that there is nothing that is just sacred
or secular in the kingdom,
that everything is sacred,
everything is spiritual.
Psalm 24 declares that everything in the earth
is the Lord's,
every person,
every created thing,
the world is the Lord's
and the fullness thereof,
everything is the Lord's.
And so every created thing has a redemptive purpose
and there can be,
there's no like inherently good or bad things.
It's actually the heart and the spirit
and the motivation behind what we're doing
with that created thing.
And we just don't want to compartmentalize
in different aspects of our life
that we think, well,
church on Sunday is spiritual.
And when I go on Wednesday night
to the prayer group for an hour,
that's spiritual.
But when I'm an accountant
or I'm cleaning houses
or when I'm doing the mundane tasks
from Monday to Saturday,
that's just work
and God's not involved.
But we know in scripture,
because so many different scriptures that come to mind
is that we're exhorted that whatever you do,
whether you're eating or drinking,
do it unto the glory of God.
That is 1 Corinthians 10 31.
And then we also exhorted in Colossians 3,
chapter three, verses 23 and 24,
that it says,
whatever you do work at,
whatever you do,
work at it with all of your heart
as working for the Lord,
not as human masters,
since you know that you will receive
an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.
It is the Lord Christ that you are serving.
So in everything that we do,
we want it to be done unto the glory of God,
which means that there's no compartmentalizing.
There's no saying,
well, then that's just for God.
And that's just for me,
or like, this is when God shows up.
And when he doesn't,
like God wants to show up with his anointing,
with his presence,
with his voice,
as powerfully when you're in a business meeting,
when you are in the car,
when you are out on the street,
when you're in the grocery store talking to someone,
the Holy Spirit can fall.
Because why?
Because he's inside of you.
Because everything in the kingdom is relational.
Because you host the presence of God.
God is inside of you.
And the earth is the Lord and the fullness thereof.
And so we don't like divide between what is spiritual,
what is sacred,
because it's all spiritual.
Everything that we do,
everything that we're a part of,
we want to love the Lord, our God,
with all of our heart,
with all of our soul, mind, and strength.
And so everything that we put our hand to,
every moment makes a difference.
Every moment is affected in eternity
and actually eternal life is now.
And the moment that we come into union with God,
we are one in spirit with God,
eternal life is now.
And so everything we do
is meant to be this flow of eternal life.
This flow, this we live and we move
and we have our being in God.
thought, it talks about that in Acts. So if we're living and
we're moving, and we're having our being in God, then
everything is a divine exchange of life. Everything is a divine
exchange of love. Everything is a divine exchange of receiving
and giving this kind of cyclical thing of that we're receiving
from the Lord, and we're giving to others and receiving for
ourselves.
One of the things I was listening to, which was really
powerful, I don't know if you guys have ever kind of done
this. I know, growing up as a Christian, I had a lot of
religious mindsets of what I deemed as okay, and what I
deemed as wrong. So different music or different certain
activities or certain things. And I was listening to a message
yesterday where this really well known rap artist was wearing a
skull on his t-shirt. And someone came up to him and said,
I knew it. I knew you were part of the Illuminati. I knew you
were messing around with demons, all this stuff. And he was like,
really? Oh, how did you know that? He's like, you're wearing
a skull on your shirt. He's like, Oh, is that what shows?
Yeah, it's evil. And he was like, Do you know that I have a
skull in my head? Like, the person was like, huh? He's like,
yeah, that skull is actually just in my head. You have a
skull too. We all have a skull. And it was the lens that this
person was looking at, like, oh, you have a black t-shirt on
with a white skull on that's evil. I'm judging that as evil
rather than why is it evil? What's the lens that you're
looking at? And so we look at created things. And, and we look
at everything in life. And we can say that's good, or that's
bad. But actually, everything that the Lord has created in
life, is meant to be a blessing, just like money. It's not good
or evil. It's actually neutral. It's actually the heart and the
spirit behind how you handle money. What are you using the
money for? The same thing like, dancing is good, right? Dancing
is a beautiful expression. Now, can you use dancing in a way
that actually leads you into something that might not be
redemptive and beautiful and life giving, of course. But
dancing is also this beautiful, expressive way of loving life
and connecting with people and worshiping God. Everything in
life can be used for good or bad. It's actually the heart and
the motivation behind it. And there are some things I think in
life and in culture, that when we look at it through the
redemptive way, everything we want to see within cultures, we
want to see rehabilitation, we want to see restoration, we want
to see redemption. Now, there are certain things within life
that we don't necessarily want to rehabilitate, we just want to
see the redemptive purpose come through. So there are certain
maybe activities or interactions. I'm just trying to
think, there's so many things that are coming to mind. For
instance, the gift of sex is a beautiful gift that God has
given us. So we want to see that using the most redemptive life
giving way that God's given us that gift within the covenant of
marriage so that it can thrive. So when we look at prostitution,
we don't want to go Yeah, we want to rehabilitate
prostitution. Yeah, I'm going to do prostitution for the Lord.
No, we want to see rehabilitation and honor for
these men and these women that go, hey, there's a real need
that's trying to get met here. But it's getting met in an
unhealthy way. And so we want to see redemption, we want to see
the gift that God has given us to be used in a beautiful way.
And so when we're looking at culture, especially through the
artistic lens, there might be substance abuse, there might be
over like different relational things, there might be over
hypersexual things, there might be the whole money thing, there
might be the whole identity thing. So there's some things
that yes, there is good and evil, there is purity and
righteousness, and there is a sense of Oh, that leads to
death. But what we want to do within having eyes of the
kingdom, is that everything is spiritual. And so some things
that we would deem as evil might not necessarily be evil, it's
actually the heart behind it in the spirit. And so we want to
love people and go to where people are at, to bring love
into those places so that there can be redemption and
restoration and rehabilitation to how we are engaging with that
created thing or that gift or that thing. You know, fill in
the blank of all the things. Do you guys hear what I'm saying in
the chat? Or can you give me a thumbs up if you're tracking
with me? Yeah. So music, people used to think, oh, that music
is evil. That's secular music. But actually, that genre of
music is evil or that or that, but actually music is not evil.
Like you can have
or hard heavy metal or hardcore this it's actually the spirit behind it and we're like oh that's
christian music well there's actually no christian music it's actually the songwriter that is either
a christian who is writing and expressing and declaring and putting lyric and melody
and expression to a truth a reality that is christian so you can have amazing god-honoring
music that doesn't necessarily talk about scriptures but actually is poetic and it's
description and it's life-giving of texture and sound and so then we move into the whole
realm of our creative gift and that we just need to know that we can be empowered that we don't
have to have crosses and over christianese language and things to make something god-honoring or
christian or for it to be transformative that art has the ability to cross lines and boundaries
relationally with people in culture in countries and it has the power to awaken us to spiritual
realities that maybe don't always use words that don't always over explain something but it has
the power to awaken every fiber of our being beauty like is captivating it allures and it
tells a story whether it's through architecture or sound or painting or movement you know how
how many of you have watched someone dance and you've been moved to tears because what's happening
there's no words but you're seeing a movement and it's awakening something in you or
you're tasting food and you're like oh my gosh i'm having an experience with heaven right now
like this literally my taste buds are doing a happy dance and i am in the spirit or you're
listening to music and you don't i mean i listened to xylan's song the first time i had no idea what
he was saying because i don't speak his language but my whole being was like like going nuts
um yes helen beauty is a universal language absolutely so there's so many more things i
could say but i'm gonna kind of end it there just at the moment i'm gonna throw it to xylan
but the beautiful thing in the expression of art is when you are living in your divine design
and when you're living authentic to who you are so bringing it back to us as sons and daughters
as men and women who are on this journey of going how do i come alive and thrive how do i be the
most authentic version of myself and i think when we create art or we create anything from our life
with the motivation one that it's a receiving of love that it's an awakening of who we've been
created to be and now it's an expression of that love and it's authentic to something that we're
learning it's authentic to something that we are growing in that we're discovering that god's
teaching us that we're going through real life stuff maybe it is pain or trauma or heartbreak
or maybe it is blessing or maybe you're learning something anything that moves your heart will move
someone else's and so when we create from that place that it's not just for the accolades of
man or money or fame but we're actually creating art that moves us that's an authentic expression
and an exchange of life with us and god that is going to move the heart of other people
but when you're trying to write or produce something so that it does that sometimes it
actually works against you but when you're in the flow of life when you're just in the flow of giving
and receiving that's when beauty and art can be so transformative living in our divine design so
Zylan I'd love to hear a little bit more of what you're thinking and feeling and then we'll chat
a bit and then we'll open it up for different ones of you to share your thoughts your questions and
then we'll dialogue together awesome thank you Diana thank you for all the all the scriptures
it's so beautiful well I actually grew up in a Pentecostal background so I was actually
programmed to see the world in a way that us and them you know it's very isolated dualistic
kind of worldview you know our music is sacred and other other music is secular you know it's
devil's music and I had this question you know I always actually because I started my musical
journey as a drummer and most of my ideas in those days was
not Christians, you know,
I was listening to all the secular bands and stuff
and all the Christian bands were really bad.
And there was no like great musicians in the church,
actually so much mediocrity
and there was no quality art happening in the church.
And I was like, and there was this pastors
and all are telling us no, like, no,
they talk about spirit of excellence,
but there is no excellence in the church, you know,
all the excellence is outside the church.
And that's how I actually, I started learning
and reading Bible in a different perspective.
And I ended up in Wyvern Youth with a Mission
and they actually brought a lot of paradigm shift
into my thinking of doing ministry and, you know,
and preaching gospel and, you know,
doing missions in general.
And right now I'm in a place that, you know,
I've experienced, I've listened to a lot of people,
learned a little bit of Bible and I am convinced
you can be like, you know,
it can be a little confusing for others
because it takes a lot of time for me,
it's a journey for me to come to this place.
Maybe some of you guys might disagree,
but I'm really open for conversation, you know,
I know that, I mean, it can cause confusion or whatever,
but we are here to, like, as Diana said,
that we're all actually growing different dimensions
and, you know, evolving different way.
So this is what I am believing at this point of my life.
And I'm convinced that, like Diana said,
that there is nothing called sacred or secular
because God is the God of all, the God of everything.
And I believe that, you know, it's all actually comes from,
I was actually listening to this message by Richard Rohr,
one of my favorite theologians,
and Richard Rohr was actually,
there's a message in YouTube,
it's called the shape of God, you know?
The shape of God is like, the moment we understand God,
that a lot of things actually settles, you know?
I grew up in this, as I said,
that in a very religious Pentecostal church.
So my shape of God was this, you know,
this old man, you know,
trying to give all the list of do's and don'ts, you know?
If we mess up, he'll throw us into fire.
And, you know, if we do some good stuff,
he'll, you know, put us in heaven
or some sort of that kind of thing.
But right now, I understand that God is a great father.
He's always been like that.
It's us actually evolved over the years, you know?
As humanity, our consciousness is changed.
Our understanding of God changed.
And God never changed.
He was always been the sweetest and merciful father,
you know?
He never changed.
He's same yesterday, today, and forever.
In a New Testament context, you know,
I believe that this is all of the philosophy
that I, as an artist, I actually live by.
It goes like this, that I don't belong to a church.
I don't work for a church.
I am the church.
That doesn't mean that, you know,
I believe I belong to the church
and I believe in the local,
I mean, I belong to a local community, no.
But the meaning is, I am the church.
Wherever I go, the church is going, you know?
And it doesn't matter if I, whatever I do,
actually, my identity is not gonna change.
It's part of who I am.
And I've been starting writing songs
with less Christian language.
I am a worship leader.
I travel around across the, in my country,
and I lead worship, lead congregation to worship.
I speak to youth camps and young people and all those guys.
I do all the regular churchy stuff, you know, guys.
And I've led a lot of people to Christ.
I've done a lot of, all the church,
the usual healing ministry.
is, you know, you just name it, I've done all this, all this
template thing. And I've been writing a lot of worship songs,
and a lot of my songs are pretty celebrated here in my place. And
recently, I started writing songs with less Hallelujah, and
Amen, and Jesus, you know, I actually wanted to write songs
which actually demand justice, and hope and, you know, and
spirit of encouragement, you know, those are the more like a
very, what have a lot of biblical principality of
principles, biblical principles, less Christian languages, so
that I can communicate to a large, larger audience. And it's
been going really good. And I believe that that's my mandate,
because as a Christian, like I said that, you know, I am the
church and what as a church, what my mandate, my mandate is
bringing the heaven down, you know, that's what Jesus said
that our Father, you know, hallowed be thy name, and, you
know, like, you know, the prayer, right, you know, the
mandate is as church as his people, to create this place a
beautiful heaven, you know, and God is at work, according to
Joel chapter two, spirit is at work in all flesh. And I see it,
I encourage everybody to see that thing. Now, when I listen
to Coldplay, and when I hear the song Fix You, I was like, wow,
what a great song, you know, what a great song. And U2 is one
of my favorite band, because I really love Bono. And I believe
that Bono is a great, great, great, perfect example for a
Christian musician, because he's like such a great personality,
does a lot of things for humanity. And all his
philosophy is really great. It's very solid biblical thing, you
know. And the other day, he was actually I read that Bono was
saying that, I mean, that he don't like the Christian musicians,
because they are so mediocre. And they just, they're not
honest, actually. Because when we read Bible, when we read
David, David was so honest in his songs, you know, and so he
was actually encouraging all the Christian songwriters to be
honest about. And I was actually literally went and checked some
of his music and all. It's so beautiful. And it's so biblical.
And only, you know, people, if you look really close, you will
see the heart of God, you know, because most of the song is
actually engraving. And like I said that, I mean, it took for
me, it took a journey, I'm still learning and growing. So right
now, at my, in my life, at this point, I'm trying to, I'm
teaching my mind, my heart, my eyes to see Jesus in everywhere,
you know, and, and I, I'm training my mind to see in a very
kingdom perspective, the righteousness, peace and joy in
the Holy Ghost, and the kingdom is at heart at hand, you know,
and the Spirit is at work. And, and it's the same flow, you
know, it's the same flow, if, because Bible says that every
good and perfect things comes from the Father of light, you
know, and every, anything good, you know, for your neighbor, for
your environment, for this, you know, like, as Diana said, you
know, if it's actually cultivating a culture of love, I
believe that it's from the Lord, you know, it's, it's from the
Lord, because we don't have anything good, actually, there
is good in us, in humanity, is from our Father, you know,
because he's the good Father, and that goodness is, is
actually flowing everywhere, you know, right now, when we
actually talk about there are people in Ukraine, are
struggling with war.
And I was actually thinking about the big painting,
the Picasso's world famous painting, Garnica.
And that painting was actually,
it's such a profound painting after so many years.
The painting, it's actually,
I hope you guys are know about the painting.
It's a painting of a Spanish village Garnica
and it's actually, a bomb is actually dropped
in that Garnica and how the,
and it's basically the dark side,
the reality of war actually.
And that's, Picasso actually painted that picture
in two weeks.
And the spirit of that painting is, you know,
saying no to war, no to violence.
And for me, that's kingdom, you know?
Oh, he's not a Christian.
He's, doesn't matter, he's a human being.
He bear the image of God, you know?
Because every human being actually bearing the image of God.
If I'm failed to see Jesus, God and his spirit,
in them, in my neighbor,
it means that I have some problem, you know?
And as Diana said that, we all have that kind of,
it's the motivation, you know?
How do you do it?
For what purpose you are doing it, this gift?
Are you doing it for bringing justice,
bringing love, bringing peace,
making this world a more beautiful place?
Then if that's your thing and whoever does it,
I believe that it's the Lord working in them, you know?
Because we human being are so selfish, you know?
We are so dangerous.
And if there is anything good in us,
it's from our father.
And I'm learning to appreciate the goodness
and to glorify our father,
all the gifts that actually helping us as humanity
to evolve and make this place a better one.
And I think, I totally believe
that there is no secular or sacred.
It's a Western philosophical,
it's a very dualistic idea.
And Bible is, in my understanding,
Bible is very non-dualistic place
because at the end of the day,
we actually believe in Trinity, you know?
It's not two, it's three actually.
So, and it's hard for us,
the protestant to understand the concept,
but that's how the ancient Christian faith
actually based in, you know?
All the church fathers are believed in this Trinity,
this non-dualistic idea of seeing the world.
And, you know, it's more like a very inclusive worldview.
And when we see things from that perspective,
we try to appreciate God and try to see,
push ourselves to see God in everywhere,
all around, you know, from the nature,
from other human beings,
from all the people who are working
to bring this place a better world.
And yeah, that's where,
I think that's where I'm at at this point in my life.
And I thought, I know that, I mean,
you guys have different idea about it,
but I would like to hear more.
And yeah.
So good, I love that.
I just love what you're sharing.
And there's so many things that were like sparking
that I just want to like agree and celebrate
and just also like add to the conversation
before we kind of open it up.
I think what you're saying too,
if just the reality too of our relationship with the Lord,
relationship with the Lord,
it's so important that we just continue
to grow in our own revelation
and receiving of his nature and character,
because the more we're in scripture,
the more we're actually in the presence,
in worship, in that divine dance
between the father and the son.
son and the Holy Spirit, the more we're being transformed.
We actually see the world the way he sees it.
Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.
And when we think about, well, what does it really look like to bring heaven down?
What does it really look like to release the heaven on the earth?
Well, it's actually, we want to look at Jesus.
Like when we're like, what is God like?
What does God think?
How does God relate?
When we look at Jesus and how he interacted with humanity, that's how we want.
And we see outrageous compassion.
We see mercy.
We see kindness.
We see Jesus going to the places that no religious leader would go.
And then he's being accused of, oh, you're eating and drinking with the
sinners and you're sitting with this.
And you're going to the places you're interacting with women.
You're interacting with this group of people.
No Jews.
We don't interact with this kind of people.
We don't do this.
He crossed all of these lines and divides showing us that love goes to every place.
Love has no limits in where it will go.
That love is passionate about humanity.
God, the father is passionate about revealing his heart to people.
And so when we see that in the sacred and secular divide, we want to take off the
lenses that would have accusation or condemnation.
There is no accusation in the father's eyes.
There's no condemnation in Christ.
There's actually love and mercy.
We see God, the father, reveal his heart for the prodigals, reveal his heart for
humanity, that in the midst of our sin, in the midst of our filth, in the midst of
our total dysfunction, all been there, right?
We all have different levels of our humanity and where we've experienced pain.
We see the father running to humanity, running to the son who's turned and come
back, clothing him with a robe, putting a ring on his finger, feasting, celebrating.
And so when we think about, okay, what does it look like to bring heaven to earth?
And we got to get into the word and we have to discover who is this one that we
belong to.
It's not just this institution or religion or tradition and striving and performance
and trying to make our way to God and to be good enough.
It's actually, how do we fall in love with this God and get to know him, his nature
and character of how he operates?
What is actually happening in heaven right now for bringing heaven to earth?
What goes on in heaven?
How do they operate?
What is the spirit, the atmosphere, the environment?
What is happening that we want to see displayed on earth?
And then how do we ourselves get healed, restored?
How do we see redemption?
How do we have our testimony?
Really?
Any aspect of ministry and what is ministry, any aspect of the overflow of
abundant life in our heart where we've experienced God come into our story comes
out of our testimony, right?
It comes out of what have we gone through?
What did God show up in our life to bring healing and restoration and love and
transformation and where he's, he brought light to our darkness, where he's, he
brought clarity of mind.
And so then that says, well, yeah, everything that we want to produce and
create, we want it to have the nature and character of God.
We want it to carry the spirit of love.
We want it to have the fruits of the spirit.
We want it to carry the nature of the one that we love, the one that we've
encountered the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
So the testimony of what he's done in our life becomes a prophetic declaration to,
if he's done it for me, he can do it for you.
And art has that ability to communicate to people that maybe not have eyes to see
or ears to hear, or maybe have been wounded by the church or maybe, you know,
because of their family situation or whatever art has that ability to communicate.
Um, the other thing I really want to celebrate in so many of you and something
that set me free was, you know, the reality is, is 97% of Christians will never work
for a Christian organization or a church.
The reality is that when we make that sacred secular divide, and we somehow
have a spiritual elite pride mentality, that if you work for a Christian
organization, or if you're a missionary or in ministry, where you work for a
church, somehow, somehow that's more spiritual, that's more anointed.
And I just want to blow that thing up because it's just nothing
could be farther from the truth.
We see in scripture, like even the book of Daniel, me and Zion were talking last
night, the book of Daniel, like King Nebuchadnezzar, like he has these dreams.
He doesn't know what to do with them.
He has his magicians and all of his advisors.
He's asking them.
What are these dreams mean?
They don't know.
Daniel is like, Hey, let me go inquire of the Lord because the Lord, everything
belongs to him, all wisdom dominion.
Oh, I'm going to go and get wisdom from God of what your dreams meant now in that
time.
That was looked as a pagan thing.
So Daniel is doing something that would be looked at as very
secular and pagan dream interpretation.
But he says, all revelation belongs to the father.
All revelation belongs to God.
I'm going to go and seek.
So he goes and gets wisdom.
He interprets the dream.
He's like, Oh my gosh, out with all of these others, advisors,
you're going to be my main man.
I'm going to put you in a place of position and authority to
this wicked evil King in the nation.
And we would say, Oh, well, that's not God.
You should be in the priesthood, Daniel.
You should be taking all of that gifting and go and.
Be amongst your people.
And it's like, God strategically put him to serve a wicked King
in a nation to do something quote unquote, very pagan.
And so we have got to say like God, if there's no representation
of Christ in every aspect of society, how are we being salt and light?
How are we bringing transformation and life?
And we're all gifted.
We are one body with many parts.
If you're the fingernail, be the fingernail.
If you're the nostril, if you're the earlobe, if you're the heart,
if you're the liver, if you're the toe, whatever you are, you
are so needed in this world.
You are a revelation of the father that nobody else has.
Your, your personality, your gift, your makeup, where you actually were
born, what you look like is all strategic.
When he knit you together in your mother's room, he was so intentional,
so strategic of how he formed your intellect and your heart and your soul
and your body and the dreams that he had for you, the desires that he had,
the things that he created to do with you, not just so that you would just
be this good worker, this faithful.
Soldier for Jesus, but that you would be a daughter and a son that would be,
oh my gosh, I was created for this.
And now I'm coming alive and abundant life, resurrection, life, beauty,
science, wonders, and miracles.
Encouragement is flowing from me.
Why?
Because I'm receiving from that flow and then giving from that place.
And then I can go undercover with my gift skills and abilities and be placed
in every place of society, every aspect of culture.
And there's no thinking like doing this admin.
This mundane task is not as spiritual as me leading worship on a Sunday.
No, they, they, it's all about how we posture ourself.
How do I posture myself?
And I'm at the grocery store can be just as powerful as I encourage
someone and love on them.
And I don't even have to prophesy and use all the Christian ease language.
I could just give a word of celebrating someone who's in the midst of suicidal
self-hatred thoughts and just say, wow, I love the color of your hair.
That blue.
That's so cool.
You're so beautiful.
And their eyes light up.
Like, who are you talking to me like this?
Like, yeah, girl, I love your style.
What a vibe you are.
Like, I don't have to be like, and Jesus says like, of course that can also come.
And if I want to share the gospel and share the Lord, but sometimes watering,
sometimes you bringing salt and light, sometimes you bringing a word
or doing something strategic.
Maybe the Lord gives you a project or says, I'm calling you to go to law school.
And you're like, I don't want to go to law school.
Or, Hey, I want you to go and work as a waitress for the season.
You're like, I remember I worked as a waitress, um, As in this fine dining
restaurant, and I'm like used to doing all of these other things.
And I thought I've just been demoted like 50 things.
And I thought, no, I'm going to have the mindset that I'm serving these
people as I'm serving the Lord, the most epic feast, and I'm going to
cultivate every table that I serve with beauty and hospitality and generosity.
And I'm going to bring a vibe and I'm going to vacuum the floors as
if I'm leading worship to thousands of people at a conference.
And I'm singing to the Lord as I vacuum up dirty food off the floor.
Like everything is about our mindset.
Everything is about how do we frame it?
How are we interacting with the Lord?
Everything is spiritual.
So you are a representation of God in the earth.
You are a revelation of the father.
We need representation in every aspect of society.
And I just want to blow that thing up that says somehow one position
is more important than another.
You have no idea of the strategic place that you are.
So you might be feeling overwhelmed.
You might be in transition right now.
You might be like, I don't know where I fit.
I don't know what position I have.
That's where we come back at the end of the day.
Our relationship is the foundation for our position, all the positions
and the titles and the roles, they shift and change.
Year by year throughout decades of our life, we're going to be involved
in so many things, but if we come back to intimacy and connection
with the father as a son and a daughter.
That is the flow.
That is the confidence.
That is the authority that we have.
And God can.
Elevate us and shift us and move us into different things,
release favor with God and favor with man,
knowing that we are in alignment with him
and that alignment sets us up for our assignment.
But all of us have a divine favor with God
and all of us are so uniquely made
and there's nothing that is more important.
Like the few percent of people that are on a stage
or on ministry, they're not more spiritual.
They're not more elite.
They just have a role and a function
and the favor of God is on them to equip the saints.
But we need apostles, prophets, teachers, evangelists,
pastors in real estate agent.
We need them in the healthcare system.
We need them cleaning and doing cleaning supply.
Like we need it as garbage men.
What if you're a garbage man
and you're like the most outrageous worshiper of God
and your assignment is every time you pick up garbage,
you're prophesying over your streets and your neighborhood.
Honestly, I have met people
who are just the most outrageous lovers of God
who know the word, who operate in their spiritual gifting
and they're doing things
that you might not have any desire to do,
but they are alive in their assignment
because they know who they are.
So wherever you find yourself in this season,
just know that everything comes out
of that divine relationship,
that divine dance that we have with him.
So let's open it up to different ones of you.
If you have any questions, if you have a thought,
if you have something that you wanna add to the table,
just take a minute,
just so that we can have room for everybody
to kind of communicate.
So maybe just take a minute or two
and share your thought or your question
and Zylan and me will do our best
to kind of dialogue and talk it through.
So we just love these moments that we get to hear from you
because all of you have so much wisdom,
so much gold from your own history, your own journey.
We love hearing from what you've learned.
We love dialoguing too,
knowing that agreement isn't always the thing,
that we can have different thoughts.
We can be like, oh, I've always thought about this
or what do we do with this scripture?
Or what about this aspect of his nature and character?
And this can be a time where we like wrestle things through.
By no means are we the end all be all of,
we're all on a journey of growing in truth,
but this is just kind of where we're at at this point.
So if any of you have a thought, a question,
you want more clarity, you have an idea,
we'd love to hear it.
Laura, Laura.
Yes, Laura Merrill.
Hello there.
Hi.
This is so rich.
One of the things I find myself doing
is breaking out of the religious concepts
and the mindsets have been that I've agreed to,
that I didn't even know that I agreed with,
that I've carried around.
And one of the things that has been really big on me
is God has not given us a spirit of fear
because fear is trying to capture the entire world,
every nation and every people's fear is,
but perfect love casts out the fear.
And this whole thing of being who God created us to be,
that we are carrying around the very creator within us.
If we see love in everybody, I mean,
nobody comes to Christ unless the father draws them.
So it's not a matter of us going around,
passing out a card or saying, repeat after me,
and then you can get into heaven free.
It is a lifestyle.
It's entering a kingdom
and becoming a new creation in Christ.
And so if God is drawing people, he's drawing them by love.
So our mission really is to see what it is
in each and every person that is so lovable,
that is so adorable, that is so precious,
that has value and worth and to draw it out of them
because so many people are walking around
and they have no sense of worth or value.
And they are measuring themselves by other people.
And anytime we measure ourselves
by anything other than what God says,
we've just believed the lie.
So our mission really is a mission of love.
He says that, love the Lord God with all your heart,
with all your might and love your neighbor as yourself.
We need to get people where they're even loving themselves
because how can they love somebody else
if they don't love themselves?
And the key to that is us loving them,
showing them, being able to embrace them
and love their purple hair,
have those words of encouragement
to where it just kind of breaks them out
of whatever they're in and going, who was that?
person and, and planting those seeds or watering, whatever it
is. And if they want to know what is it about you, that's so
different. That's an open door to go ahead and discuss. This is
very rich. Thank you so much for this. Oh, this opportunity.
That's so good to hear. I love that Laura. I love it. Yes, it's
all about love. It's just it is. Yeah, it is. It's good to
practice loving every single day. Yeah. And I think you
really know that on the head there is we'll love our neighbor
as we love ourself. And so we I think in the church have had a
real wrestle. I think it's being really highlighted in this last
few years, but self love is looked at as selfish. When
really, if you do not have love in every aspect of your life,
and you are not speaking love, receiving love, exchanging love,
if we're not getting rid of that self criticism, and that
self judgment, and that accusation, that self hatred,
and all of that, that is actually the lens that you'll
see other people how you treat yourself, how you exactly how
you minister to yourself, actually how you minister to
others. And so it is so important that we go on a
healing journey, it is so important to stand before the
Father and say, tell me again, who I am. Yes, section, clothe
me in mercy, because yes, covered in affection and
clothing. Yes, as I see who you've created me to be, as I
get all that other stuff off my lens, I'm actually able to have
a lens of love, and mercy, and passion. And I see the golden
people tripping up over their issues. And I'm not picking up
a stone ready to stone them. I'm actually arms open wide, ready
to say, yeah, fine by your sin, who cares about your sin, that's
not even an issue. It's been paid for, it's been cleansed.
Let's actually deal with the real you, the real identity,
let's actually get to that place. Who is it that you are?
Let's put nurture and love and bring that to life. Let's put
water to that. Let's put sunshine to that. Yes, let's
deal with the things that are tripping you up. And where
there's some maybe attitudes or behavior things. But actually,
you're not defined by your sin, you're not defined by your pain
or your trauma, that's not who you really are. Those are things
that have happened, right? That's not who you are actually
who you are. Let's have lenses to see who you are. And that's
one of the biggest nature of the prophetic. It's not just telling
people what what you'll do, it's actually telling people are,
it's God give us a prophetic spirit that actually needs
people for who they are, that gives them a key that unlocks
their heart to empower them to walk in their identity of who
they've actually been called to be like, come up here, let's get
an upgrade. And you're like, Oh, my gosh, and then you get
empowered by grace. And grace enables you and empowers you to
live and to interact at a level of love, that we aren't stuck in
20 years of religious striving, that we're caught in these sin
cycles where you're just like, No, why are you dealing with the
old man, the old man is dead. It's been creation. And
actually, now you're just like the most loved being on the
planet. That's how we are. And so so many, we need to be people
that are lifting guilt and shame and negativity, and being down
on their selves, where Jesus just comes to liberate and to
give. So loving ourselves and receiving love is paramount to
this journey. Because everything we create, like everything you
eat, right, when you go to the bathroom, what you eat is what
you are, right, eat, actually nourishes everything. So what
we're absorbing, what we're looking at listening to what
we're digesting actually then affects how we're loving who
we're loving and how we're eating. So good what you're
saying. I love it.
Thank you.
I bless you. Does anybody else have thought, something you want
to add to the discussion question?
Kind of like bringing it back to all the different things of
like, yeah, how is how was your gift expressed through who you
are? What, what motivates you? What causes you what what
inspired you to do what you do? Or where are you at in your
journey of like, what that looks like? Or maybe you have
questions about?
Oh, I can.
I am. Yeah, you really spoke to my heart today. Thank you. I
appreciate that. I am the Lord
This reminded me of something that was, I was in a, a prayer meeting years ago in,
in the church, I actually work in a church.
Um, but I know that for, for years, God's been asking me to get out of the church.
And he brought that reminder back to me this morning because
I actually had to take a stand.
Um, I, the church made a policy regarding COVID and, you know, anyway, I just
didn't feel I could step into the policies that they were stuff they were,
um, in incorporating or whatever.
Anyway, so I was let go for a couple of months and then just
last week I was reinstated again.
And I had created a whole nother life with coaching and, and, and, and I was
left in a bit of a quandary because, and then I've been questioning God with that.
And then today he took me back to something he said literally 25 years ago.
And I was sitting in a prayer meeting and we were all just waiting on the Lord.
And I heard the Lord clearly say to me, get out of the church.
Like it was so loud, so clear that I thought there was a fire.
I thought there must be a fire and, and then I just settled myself and I realized
that, no, there wasn't a fire, but the impression I got was that there was a fire.
The impression I got was that he was asking me to be, he was going
to put me in the marketplace and I'm very much in the marketplace, but I, I
still have 20 hours with my foot in the, in the door of this, of the, of the church,
which is a school, I'm, I'm a tutor and educator and it's, I don't know.
I'm just, I don't want to be in a quandary.
I, you know, I don't want to be in a place of fear of not having enough
because he's always been my source.
He's always been my provider, but it's real, like fear that comes
against us is just a pipsqueak.
It's just, it's just something we have to plow through and past.
Yeah.
And I'm just being vulnerable and being honest with everybody here that, yeah,
no weapon fashioned against us shall prosper in the mighty name of Jesus.
Yeah.
You know, I, I, I have the choice.
We're in, we're in control of our decisions and choices every day, but we
want to be guided by the Holy spirit.
And that's what I've been crying out for.
God, I don't want to go back to work in the church because I know that I can be
useful there, but I don't think it's what you're calling me to.
I think I have so much more potential outside the church anyway.
I just wanted to thank you for speaking to my heart today.
Bless you so much.
It's so good to hear your heart.
You know, I think any, anytime we've heard the Lord say something to us, sometimes
it can be a journey of instant obedience, or it's like a process when he knows
what it will cost us, or he knows what the journey of getting out of the boat
and walking on the water, like he knows he's so kind and compassionate to our
journey.
And I think, um, I think there sometimes can be a dialogue where he's so gracious
and going, okay, father, is there a timing attached to this?
Are you, are you saying like right now do this, or is there a timing attached
to this of like, what are you opening up for me otherwise?
Or like, if you have real needs of finances, he knows that.
And so you can say, okay, Lord, if, if I were to no longer do this, is there
something else that you're speaking to me?
Is there something else you're inviting me into?
Is there another focus?
Are you wanting me to direct my time and attention to something else?
Because working for a church is amazing.
I mean, for the last 20 years, I've worked for churches and missions
and ministry and organization.
I am all for working for the church and missions in, in debunking
the sacred and secular methods.
Just saying that that's not more spiritual than me working as a waitress
or me working, cleaning houses, or me being in politics or me being.
in the healthcare system, like everything is spiritual.
So the issue is just divine alignment for our assignment
and our assignment can change in different seasons.
And it really comes back to the relational obedience
of if God is saying, hey, this is done for a season,
I want you to obey me.
Sometimes we just have to obey
and we actually don't know what we're saying yes to.
It's a blank contract where we just say, God,
whatever it is, I just say yes.
Other times he's like, hey, I'm speaking to you.
I'm giving you a download
or I'm awaking this dream and desire.
It's time for you to wake up to this
or it's time for you to pursue this or trust me.
And so that's where I just think dialogue and relationship
and communicating with the Lord is so important
because we actually wanna walk in wisdom
and there's wisdom to knowing.
Maybe there is something else that you need to look at
for a job or for finances or for what he's inviting you
into so it's not just this, okay, I did that.
Okay, crap.
Now I have no idea what I'm doing.
So I think there's a lot of room for that as well,
just to encourage your heart of he's so gracious
and things that maybe he's spoken to us in times past.
We don't have to feel guilt and shame.
We can repent.
We can say, oh, father, you know, I've been on this journey.
Are you reminding me of that now?
Is that a timely word for now?
Are you requiring me obedience for that now?
Or is there a time or is there something else
that you're calling me to
that I'm gonna give time and attention to?
So just to encourage you in that.
But I love your tenderness.
I love your vulnerability.
I love your openness.
It's so clear how much you love God
and how much you wanna be in step
and you want to be, yeah, following him
and partnering with him.
And that's the thing.
Everything is in our life.
We just wanna be saying yes to the adventure
that he has us on.
And knowing that anything that we let go of,
it's always because he has something more.
God is the God of upgrade.
God is the God of increase.
He's the God of abundance.
So if he's asking us to let go of something,
we're like, I don't know if you've ever seen that picture.
It's a little girl
and she's got a little teddy bear in front of her
and Jesus is bent down
and he has this massive teddy bear behind him.
But he's got his hand out like this,
asking the little girl to give the little teddy bear.
And she's just looking at this teddy bear,
but like, oh, this is my teddy bear.
Not even aware of the massive teddy bear behind.
And that's our God.
Anything that he asks us to let go of or to surrender,
it's because he's always got more for us.
He's always got abundance and upgrade and increase.
So we can trust him in that, even in the journey.
Thank you.
I'm sure you're quite aware of how prophetic you are,
even through your stories.
Well, that's incredible.
You're really aware of that, aren't you?
Well, I do.
I mean, I just always ask that the prophetic would flow,
always asking that his voice would come and flow.
So-
Well, just to encourage you and others.
I think it was, again, a very long time ago,
maybe 20, 25 years ago,
that God left a little teddy bear,
a Valentine.
It was teeny tiny.
It was like just the tiniest Valentine I've ever seen.
I was left on the table.
I was, my friend was getting our coffee for us.
And I sat down and it was the only thing on the table.
And I thought, oh.
And I had been questioning the Lord
because at that time, I didn't quite understand.
Every time I said thank you to someone in the church,
they would go, oh, well, it wasn't me.
And they just discounted.
And I said, well, God, what do I do with this?
Thank you for people.
Like it just seemed like no one would receive it.
Yeah.
And this little teddy bear.
No, you were talking about a teddy bear, right?
This little teddy bear was holding a bouquet of flowers
and each flower was different.
There was a daisy, a rose.
There was just every flower.
It was different, which is unusual for a bouquet, right?
Usually you have a bouquet.
Well, I think bouquet of roses
or a bouquet of daisies or whatever.
But every flower was literally different.
And the Holy Spirit said to me
that each of those thank yous is like a bouquet.
And at the end of the day, you give that to me.
So again, you just spoke about a teddy bear.
It's like, sometimes we do, we have to give up.
I tell people all the time, I'm a coach.
And here I'm being coached, right?
need coaches too. But you have to, I always tell people, you have to open up your hand
to let God give you more, right? So we have to release the little teddy bear
in order to get the big teddy bear. Yeah, that's it. I don't know, I just wanted to share that
because I wanted to encourage you that you really are hearing God's voice.
Oh, so encouraging. That blesses my heart so much. And that's the beauty of exchanging with
one another. We're just, you know, we're just flowing and we're allowing God in and through
us. And we don't sometimes even realize, sometimes there's things that you just go,
oh, I know to share that, but I wouldn't have known that story in you. So then you're just like,
oh, this is the beauty of community and doing life together as we just get to flow and encourage
and champion each other and just see the outcome. It's encouragement, isn't it? Yeah. And just to
say all of us in leadership and coaching and any part of influence we need to receive. I have so
many people that I get mentored by and coached by so that I can continue to receive, so that I can
continue to grow in my gift of doing that. And so we never are in a place that we're not receiving.
Actually, the more responsibility and leadership I have, the more I realize I need to receive from
the Lord and others. None of us are an Island. None of us have it all together. Like I just
realized how much I need to grow in wisdom and input. And, you know, so it's so good that we
all do that. So bless you. That's awesome. My business is called hardship coaching, but my,
my heart is shifting today. Come on. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. Cause the more we actually receive
and transform, the more I get mentored, the greater I'm able to serve people because any
leadership is just servanthood. Any favor that we're given is simply because we have then more
favor to give any blessing I receive so that I can be blessed to be a blessing, any life giving
transformation, I want it to multiply and to touch as many people in my life. So then it gives
me a greater hunger to go on the journey of transformation and learning and growth myself,
because then I want it to exponentially serve hundreds and thousands of people.
But we never want to get off that learning and humbling and living as a student, living as
someone who constantly is out of our ego. And we're into that place of humility and receiving
because it's in that place that we will go from glory to glory.
Wow. Thanks for letting me share. Of course. Bless you, Karen. Hi, Diane.
Thank you guys. I get so nervous to speak, but I have all these thoughts. I'm just going to
blurt it all out. But anyway, no, I just wanted to say, you guys are just confirming like I've
been on this journey since the lockdown, which I think all of us have been on this
cosmic shift, if you want to call it. Right. And it's untangling from religious doctrines,
right. The doctrines of men. And it was almost like fearful a little bit because it's like,
I don't want to get off. But if you're in fear, that's already not God. Right. And so
I think at the beginning of this two years ago, I had a vision and I was on a flying carpet
with the Lord. And he's just kicking back, like relaxed. And I'm up on my knees, like going.
And the song, it's a whole new world that's coming. And then I keep hearing people talk
about that song. And if you look at all the lyrics, it's like a whole different point of
view. And little did I know what was going to unfold the last two years because he has
blown apart my religious doctrines. But like, not that we're not nullifying. It's like he didn't
come to abolish. He came to fulfill. Right. So it's expanding the goodness of God and everything
you're saying, like what, you know, because Lord, like talking about the gospel and how,
you know, what we've understood about the gospel, it's all good news. There's no
bad news. But we've had like with the religious mindset, a little bit of both. Right. And
anyway, oh, there was so much. And now my mind's going blank. But anyway, I just want to say I'm
so grateful and that we're all stepping into this. Like one of the things I think I was listening to
scientists and they were talking about the human psyche and how we work and how we were made to
live from the heart. And I'm listening to them, but they're not. You know, this is outside of
my church culture. Right. And I'm like, oh, Lord, you know, how is it that everything they were
saying was just confirming the word. Right. Everything they were saying. And I was like.
And then I felt the Lord saying, I, I put myself and every human like they've all come.
from me they're all created and made in my image and the gospel is they've it's it's that we have
in adam we have lost our identity and he's restoring us to our identity which is everything
you're saying and that that's what coming out of darkness into the light is right it's not
that there's like for me in the western gospel it's like we were they're separate and they're
lost but if you've lost something it's because it always belonged to you right so we all belong to
the lord it's just we have fallen in our mindset and believe we're separate but that's the lie
and the gospel is actually we're already included it's just a lot of people don't know they're
included and that's the gospel is bringing people into the light so it's so beautiful because you
guys have been saying all that in different words so uh it's just exciting because i have
people around me that are my my my people my family my christian friends and they they're
not seeing that yet so it's hard because you know they may think i'm getting off on the wrong
doctrine but that's what the lord has been showing me very clearly and i keep seeing it um there's a
bible that i got a translation it's called the um mirror translation i don't know if you guys ever
heard of francis francis de toit and he went into the original hebrew and greek and i'm it's like
i'm reading the bible for the first time when he really expands the scripture so anyway just
throwing that out there but i hope that makes sense oh good yes oh i love it i love it so much
it's just it's so good to hear your heart and what's coming along wow dan uh thank you so much
for sharing uh actually i can easily uh like relate it to you whatever you are saying i think
uh i'm on the same same page with you yes the lord is actually you know it's actually um
the gospel is actually inclusive you know yes separation is a is a very theology
you know we really dig deeper in the in our faith in our tradition uh go back to the orthodoxy and
you know the ancient christian faith separation is is a it's a screwed up western theology thing
it's a western theology that's right it's it's it's actually it's actually caused more problem
than any other thing you know and uh yeah gospel is inclusive it's it i mean we are just fortunate
to to awaken to this truth that uh and they are not actually that's the that's it yeah that's it
that's it and uh yeah they're also in the plan of the lord and you know yes yes yeah amen yes he
already reconciled the world to himself they just don't know it you articulated really well
really well thank you oh good good oh thank you lord yeah it's it's it's a bit mind-blowing for
all of us as we're transitioning but it's so exciting and i just appreciated you guys
because everything you were saying i'm like oh lord thank you because you know not you know all
of our family even our christian family is there because and it's not it's just how we've been
taught for so many years right so true yeah it's pretty exciting yeah and that's the amazing thing
is because i know all the things that i've come alive to in my journey i once didn't believe
myself right right me neither yeah right gives us so much grace like i i i think every year was like
oh my gosh i am such a pharisee oh my god i have no idea how religious i was and i'm just like to
my head and even the dana that was pre-covid i'm like like i feel like every three months i'm like
i have to reintroduce myself hi i'm dana you may have known me my whole life but actually the last
three months there's been so much growth and transformation yeah i'm i'm not the same person
that i was in december 2021 like i'm like oh my goodness last summer like and that's the beautiful
thing when you actually are on the journey of self-awareness and you're on a journey of personal
growth and you yourself are pursuing and hungry and thirsty for the lord to reveal himself to you
then the more transformation you go on you have so much more grace for other people and where they're
because you're like i used to think like you i used to be in that place and actually there's
people that are far more on the journey than me that i look at that probably look at me and go oh
yeah honey i used to
And it just gives so much grace and context for how we look at one another, not through
the lens of accusation or judgment, because again, the Lord doesn't look, there's no anger
in his eyes.
There's no accusation.
There's no disappointment.
There's no frustration.
There's no like, oh, wow, I really wish you'd get this Dana.
I mean, I've been trying to tell you this for 20 years, if you would only, he doesn't
do that.
He's constantly this lover that can't wait to awaken my perspective and my heart.
He's romancing us.
He's a good father that's setting us up for success.
He's the father that's doing the Easter egg hunt, putting the Easter eggs out so that
we can find them.
Not so that we're doing an endless journey of he's hiding them in places we can't see.
You know, Proverbs 25 talks about it's the glory of God to conceal a matter, but it's
to find it out, but God doesn't hide things from us to play games with us.
He hides things from us so that we fall in love so that we get awakened.
We get captivated.
We come alive because it's the joy, like with my nieces and nephew, when I hide something,
but it's like really easy for them to find.
But when they find it, they're like, and the joy, and then we hug and we kiss and I twirl
them around.
And I'm like, you found it.
That's what God does.
He hides things so that we can celebrate together what we found together and then marvel in
what he's showing us.
And then he does, you know, he plays hide and seek with us, not to hide himself and
to, but there's also that thing of the reality of that.
You don't put your pearls before swine.
So there's something of intimacy with the father and with Jesus that he longs to say
things, but all throughout the gospels, he spoke in parables because he's wanting.
What I have to give is worth more than gold.
And I actually want to know that the hearer is going to treasure what I'm going to say
to you.
So I'm going to speak something into a parable or a riddle or a rhyme or something.
And if it awakens you and you actually have a heart to steward that, which you've been
entrusted, you'll lean in, right?
Like in a romance, when someone comes and whispers something into your ear and it awakens,
wow, okay.
Or there's a date or there's something, or there's friendship.
And you've gone through the thing.
If someone's just like, okay, cool.
Thanks.
You're like, I put so much time and effort into, into that.
I was planning this for your birthday or my friend or my family member or romance.
Like when you put so much time and effort and someone handles something as precious
as common, you're like, okay, you're teaching me something.
So Jesus knows what he has to give to us is more precious than anything.
And he's wanting to see, do you handle it?
Where is this common to you?
Are you going to steward it now again, he's so gracious and he knows that sometimes our
senses aren't fully awakened and we're on the journey of having every fiber of our being
every part of our senses awaken to truly discern what is Holy and precious and all of that.
And the more that we steward it and treasure it and wow over it, the more he wants to wow
us, the more he wants to give us.
And then we become walking testimonies that stir in people.
Wow.
I didn't know that was possible.
I didn't know you hear the Lord like that.
I didn't know you could live in that level of freedom.
I didn't know.
I didn't even know I was entrenched in religious traditions when actually the seed of love
gives me all of that.
I don't have to be on the hamster wheel of religion and tradition.
I can actually receive all of that just by grace.
What?
You know?
So we're all on that journey of grace and love and then it gives us so much perspective
with other people.
Yeah.
So love it.
Thanks for sharing, Diane.
You're welcome.
Thank you.
Does anybody else have any final thoughts or questions before we kind of wrap things
up?
Any comments, any ideas, any things that's been stirring in you, any revelation, any
hmm, how does this fit?
Or, oh, I've been kind of thinking about this.
Is there anything that, um, yeah, Laura raised her hand.
She wants to add something.
Oh, that was there from before.
Or do you have something to share?
No, you don't.
Okay.
I think, yeah, that was just there from before.
Karen, have something?
Yeah.
I'm back in again.
Um, now this has been so powerful, so useful, um, somebody prophesied over a little over
a year ago, not even a year ago, that I,
I would write. And so that the Lord's just reminding me of that again today.
That I have gold nuggets inside that I need, I need to begin to write.
I think I think it's has something to do with my journaling.
I just need to make it.
I try to make it a daily practice but life takes over sometimes and you just don't get your journaling in.
But that's where the wealth comes out, like it just him and I journaling together.
So that's what I got from today too is that I need to write. I need to write.
Yes, do it girl. Right. I will do it. Yeah, and you know what I'm the same and one of the things that I've heard from so many people and it was even just listening to an author and they said, if you feel called to write, you need to put it in the schedule.
And if you're not writing for 90 minutes a day, you're never going to author a book and I was like, Oh my gosh, and sometimes we might not have 90 minutes but even if you go 30 minutes a day, I'm going to sit down and whatever comes if we don't discipline
ourselves and if we don't actually put it in the schedule, years and decades will go and I'm guilty of that I've started things but I haven't followed through.
And I've had the desire and have the intention so I just want to encourage all of us in the midst of our stewarding our gifts and those promptings.
I know for me, I need to be very strategic and going okay if this is actually a goal a dream if this is actually something you're feeling stirred for Dana How are you going to go to the next level of obedience with with not just saying it and talking
about it but Dana How are you going to actually put that in your schedule, so that there's actually follow through and you can actually go in the creative process.
So I just want to encourage you with all of my heart to go okay Lord what does it look like is it five minutes is it 15 minutes is it one hour a week is how do I, how do I go to the next step so that all of that gold that you have that you have no
idea that that golden that wisdom. How many people it's going to nourish and the transformation and the resurrection life and the keys that you hold that are going to unlock things for people, because then when we go that we're like oh wow I want to steward
that you've given, because we're called to go forth and multiply we're called to bear fruit, fruit that will remain fruit that will nourish people so I just pray the Spirit of God to anoint you to empower you to give you grace, that there would be time in your
schedule that it would be a labor of love that it wouldn't feel like this task or this thing that you just are trying to strive to do but it would be this life giving like, okay, I get to create this time and grab a cup of tea and a Vicki and then be like, let's
get into journal and let's just see what comes out and then let the river flow and then see where it goes from there. So bless that you're in.
Yeah, you're welcome.
Marlon Marlon wants to see something. Yes, I am Marlene I'm from New Zealand. Hi.
Yeah, hi, thank you for having me on here. This is the first time actually in my Christian walk and I've been a Christian 37 years that I've actually been in a discussion similar to what you're sharing.
My journey is that the Lord has led me on assignment right through my Christian walk, and I had no idea that's what he was doing, but everything he did that was transformational was in redemptive was outside of the church.
And anyhow, I got to the stage after many years I needed to process the things that I've seen the Lord do, but no, I had no way to share it. So, I actually got a life coaching session.
And at the end of that session, I started writing that turned into a book and halfway through writing the book, I got the words on assignment. Halfway through journaling, actually, it wasn't ever going to be a book. I never wanted to write a book.
I got the words on assignment, and I only then realized that, you know, God had been teaching me how to live on assignment with him. And yet it wasn't relating to some of what I was hearing in the church. So, I was living this sort of double life.
So, with you actually talking about living on assignment today, I still live that way today, and I see the Lord redeem and change and bring value to people in places where he sends me. So, I have written that book now and I'm about to publish it very soon, but it's actually been sitting for five years.
haven't had the courage to move out with it because it is quite challenging but also difficult for me
to put myself out there. So and I know that a lot of people who write find exactly the same thing
that I mean every one of us has got so much gold inside of us and like my sister was sharing just
your journaling is gold you know just if we took our journaling and printed that we would change
the world because it's all redemptive you know it's all about taking our mortal flesh and our
struggles out and seeing the redemption of God bring light and revelation to other people.
So anyhow and I have joined a Christian writing group it's called Christian Book Academy if anyone
was interested in just looking for accountability and training and encouragement
that is there as well I wanted to share that with Karen and you can actually be part of it and not
be a paying member you can learn a lot just from going into their Facebook group. So thanks for
having me on here it's so enriching this conversation and I guess I'm just really
you know imbibing your conversation and the reality and the depth of what you're sharing
it's so transformational and it's so catalytic and it's so needed because like many of you
most of my friends wouldn't be in that space where they could even listen to what you're saying
comfortably and yet deep down our heart resonates with it and knows that but there's so much
detoxing that the Lord I think is wanting to do and I do agree that I think Covid has
had a great purpose and that many people have been forced to go deeper with God to say what's
this all about you know what's my journey all about what's this world all about what's going on
and then I think in that we can find our redemptive story and I'm hoping and praying and believing
that people will be finding their redemptive story by coming out of a I guess a religious
system possibly whatever that we potentially have inside of all of us to some degree and so there's
this detoxing going on all the time certainly is for me and so yeah very enriching for me to be
you know to have this conversation and listen to you guys I agree with everything you've said and
it's wonderful I often listen and sing along to secular songs because they bring me alive
yeah and I sing them to the Lord and there might be a few words in there that I'll change
you know because I want it to be more genuine singing to him than to someone who doesn't exist
so yeah it's a really great revolution that we're entering into right now it's very exciting
so the Lord's also given me the name of a book and I've started writing one called History Makers
and really it's all about the fact that we are all history makers and this conversation really
helps fuel the way that I'm going to express that as well so and I have not been diligent at
being consistent with it again because I haven't had the community and the context to celebrate
what God's given me and what he's showing me but that is changing I'm actually finding people
online who are mentoring me and I do always look for mentoring opportunities both for myself and
to give to others so you know it's always enriching and you know growth producing when we do that
and we've never completely made it it's a journey and a process so love it well thank you for
sharing thank you for sharing and we just do we just pray for increased downloads and wisdom as
you write this History Makers book that there would just be just even the picture that I get
of just like the line of the tribe of Judah almost like when he's walking and it's like every footprint
is actually creating ripple effects and I just see like these it's like this desert ground and
as like each step it's cracking the ground and these diamonds are coming to the surface
all of these diamonds and I just pray that as you speak as you write as you record as you journal
as you get downloads from the father that the fruit that would come of this is that the diamonds
that are underneath it would be this bursting forth salvation would spring up from the ground
there would be this transformation of what is hidden what is underneath the surface what is in
seed form would burst forth with color with blossoming with blooming there would be this
awakening of the sons and daughters of earth that the creation groans at the awakening of
sons and daughters that they would truly know who they are they would take their place it's
a rise and shine for the glory of
The Lord is upon you and that's on all of us and come and take our place of what it
looks like to make history might just be, you know, Heidi Baker says it's loving the
one in front of you.
It might not be the millions and the thousands actually making history looks different for
each one of us, but it's strategically saying I was born for greatness.
I was born to change the world.
And so whatever that resurrection life, whatever that transformation and that redemption and
Love looks like bringing heaven to the earth and loving the one in front of me.
Let it be.
So we just pray dreams, visions, downloads, clarity to you, Marlene.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for saying hi.
The other thing too is Anya.
I know that you've said that you're already publishing your book, but Anya before was
on here and she's in Wellington, New Zealand, and she has a ministry and a whole book publishing
for Christians.
So I don't know if you can, if you look in the chat, you can see her name Anya McKee,
which is torn curtain publishing.
So she just said hello at the very beginning.
So she's actually a Kiwi.
She's in Wellington and she has a whole, she's an editor and a book and her whole ministry
is to publish Christian authors.
So maybe you guys could connect as women who are on the same page.
So if you, if you look just in the chat and go kind of to the 10 34 AM, you'll see Anna
McKee torn curtain publishing to everyone.
And she just says, hi.
So maybe you could look up her name and just say, Hey, I was on the zoom chat with raising
royalty.
Maybe we can grab coffee and talk.
So it could be, it could be a great thing.
So bless you, Marlene.
Did you share the name that Marlene said of that Facebook group, Christian?
I didn't get it.
Yeah.
Oh, Marlene.
If you just unmute yourself for a moment.
Yeah.
Christian book academy.
Okay.
Thanks.
They have writing days where you come on together and you put that time aside to write together
for, you know, so you actually are dedicating to a couple of days to write and a heck of
a lot of resources.
And she's just started putting out podcasts as well, which is all free for members.
So if you're paying me, but you get a lot more of course, but you can go on and look
at their free Facebook group as well.
Could I have the name of that woman?
I couldn't find her in the chat.
Yep.
So her name is Anya A-N-Y-A.
Yes.
Her last name is McKee, M-C-K-E-E.
Yes.
And it's torn curtain publishing.
That's wonderful.
I had to do almost all my support overseas.
So it's wonderful to have someone in New Zealand.
For sure.
It'd be really good.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
Okay.
Well, we might wrap up pretty soon.
So if there's any last thought or comment you want to quickly share anyone.
And if not, we might just take some time to pray over you and say goodbye.
We do this zoom chat once a month.
Usually kind of at the end of the month, the third or the fourth week of each month.
And we have a different topic or theme that we talk through dialogue through.
And if any of you want to look at the previous kingdom chats, creative chats,
they're all on our kingdom creative Facebook page.
They're also on our new platform is raising royalty.
We have a new platform really want to encourage you.
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We have a full collection of curated content of worship of latest breaking
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So within the email that you got of the zoom link,
you'll see the raising royalty webpage,
and then you'll also see the raising royalty Facebook kingdom creative.
So this is our fifth kingdom creative zoom chat and all other four
recordings are there as well.
So you can watch those on all of our different topics that we've talked
about. So does anybody have like a last thought just before we wrap up and
pray?
Well, I just want to say thank you so much for all the beautiful people who joined today.
Being an artist, a creative person is a precious thing.
It's so rare, like out of so many people, God actually placed this gift, and this is
not for us, it's for others, it's to share.
And I believe that we are writers, designers, singers, dancers, musicians, painters, whoever
you are, and it's so beautiful, it's so precious.
And like we said, I believe that artists are the cultural architects, we actually teach
people how to think, because if we can't change the DNA of our thinking, the real change
never happened in the society.
And when Jesus is talking about kingdom of God, it's a kingdom of God, God is nothing
but a counterculture, it's not just merely telling a story, it's basically changing
the culture, it's bringing different governments and different world all together.
So and being a creative person with a kingdom heart is so powerful, when we realize that
kind of responsibility that we have, we actually go beyond our church walls, try to, I mean,
that's the whole point of this conversation, you know, just debunking the myth that, you
know, sacred and secular, no, there is nothing, everything is so sacred, Jesus and his spirit
is at work, you know, we just need to co-create and be on his page, I mean, that's the beautiful
thing that we want to encourage all of you guys, and I mean, that's the heart behind
this conversation.
And yeah, great.
So good.
Diane, do you have just something to say?
No, I was just gonna say thank you and encourage you guys, because you articulated so well,
the heart of the Father.
And so I just want to honor that and you guys and just keep being a voice because your message,
you know what I mean?
It's like we're resonating and we keep resonating right with each and every person that carries
that.
So it's very loud.
So thank you.
It's going forth and bearing much fruit.
I love it.
Yeah, everything is vibration.
Everything is frequency.
Everything is energy.
When we actually learn that, that that's not new age language.
That's actually science.
That's actually who we are.
Everything is everything is spirit.
And so what we're agreeing to, what we're motivated, what we're in alignment to, what
we are flowing with, you can feel that, you know, like walk into a room and you can just
take a look at someone and you can feel the vibe and people just felt that.
What did you feel?
It was energy, agreement, alignment.
It was what that person is of.
So, so glad that it's been such an encouragement to you.
Thank you.
Okay.
Well, I'm sorry, just with what you've said about when you were praying earlier and talking
about resurrection life, I've had several dreams of seeing people resurrected from the
dead, but I don't think it was so much about the physical resurrection as the spiritual
resurrection, because we carry that resurrection life.
I'm thinking of one where I was just walking somewhere from one end of town to the other.
I sat down on a chair or a beach to rest.
I turned around and a woman who was being having a funeral, she was dying.
She came alive.
She was resurrected.
And the Lord said, you sat down and rest with my resurrection life inside of you.
And those around you came alive.
So I want to encourage you that we all carry that.
And I've wondered over the years I've processed and I'm just starting to see more and more
exactly how that resurrection life inside of us works.
Come on.
I guess we're all living.
We're living resurrected.
Therefore, we're going to see resurrection around us.
Yeah, totally.
And yeah, where there's a repentance to there's a resurrection in life.
Resurrection life and repentance is just turning and thinking, renewing our thought,
renewing what we're agreeing with in alignment with and repentance has just turned.
in another way, you know, and so yeah, with resurrection life,
it's going. What is it that that God loves to resurrect, he loves
to resurrect everything that I mean, some things die, and they
stay dead, because he's wanting to bring life to something else
and other things have to die in order for that thing to come to
fullness of life in the way that he intended it and ordained it
to be. So yeah, such good things. Love all of your
thoughts. Love everything that you guys are sharing. Me and
silent are just going to pray over you. And then we're going
to say goodbye. It's been such, such an honor to be with you. So
incredible to see your faces to hear your voices, your stories,
what you're involved in. Yeah, we just we love it. This is such
a joy for us such a highlight of the month, to be able to
interact with all of you and just be mutually edified and
encouraged in our journey of what it looks like to, to live
eternal life, what it looks like to receive from the Father and
then to, to partner with him and in releasing that to the earth.
So silent, do you want to just pray and then I'll finish and
wrap us up.
Sure. Father, we thank you and praise you for this beautiful
time. And thank you for your grace and your love. And thank
you for all the things that we discussed. And Lord, we pray
that God let this bring forth fruit and 30, 60, 100 folds
Father God, let it bring life Father God, whatever we
discussed, Father, we seal it by the name of the Father, Son and
the Holy Ghost. And Father God help us to to think through it
and help us to see things in your perspective, Father God,
and thank you, Lord, for all the beautiful people who joined with
us today. And we just bless them in the name of Jesus, Lord,
whatever creative job they are doing right now, Father, I pray
for divine favor, divine wisdom, and divine perspective come
upon in their lives, Father God, that their gifts that their life
be more beautiful and meaningful and let them bring your your
kingdom, wherever they are, Father God, and we bless each
other in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, Father
God. And again, Lord, we thank you. Thank you for all the good
things that you're doing in our life. Thank you for our journey.
Thank you for our experience. Thank you for our gifts. And
thank you for our friends and family. And thank you for this
beautiful time again, Father God, and we bless your name. We
love you in Jesus name we pray. Amen.
Man, yeah, and Father, we just we just receive your Shalom. I
just want to encourage you all just to take a few really deep
breaths.
Yahweh, we breathe you in.
We just inhale your love. We inhale your peace and we exhale.
All stress, all anxiety, all fear, all depression, all worry.
Yes. We breathe in your love. We breathe in your goodness. We
breathe in your light, your color, your wonder, your voice,
your presence. So Father, we receive the fullness of Shalom,
which is safety and provision and strength, and beauty and
covering and healing and redemption. It's everything
within us. It's all within us. It's all within us. It's all
every good thing, every good and perfect gift that comes from the
Father of heavenly lights. We just receive today, we receive a
fresh your grace that empowers us and enables us to be who you
see when you look at us. God, I thank you that nothing's wrong
with us. But there's some things that are missing and you're the
Father that loves to give us what's missing. You love to give
everything that we need, strength and provision and safety
and healing and nourishment. So we just receive inspiration, we
receive your voice and your presence. Father, we just
receive gifts and surprises. We receive dreams and visitations
and supernatural encounters. We receive the resources and the
finances and the divine relationships and the networking.
and the strategic things that need to happen in order for us to walk in the fullness of what
you've called us to be. We just, we ask for it and we receive. We receive God, your affection,
we receive God, your voice, and we just ask that you would come and do exceedingly abundantly more
than we could think, hope, dream, or imagine. Would you take us far beyond our wildest dreams?
Would you blow us out of the water with what you're going to do in and through our lives?
And I just pray for the deep love that we would grow. We would be rooted and anchored and grow
in love. God, there would be a deep love exchange today. Pray for the kiss of heaven,
your deepest love to minister to the deepest part of us today,
that we would receive your creative ways and how you love us.
Yeah. In Jesus name. Amen. You know, a final thought I want to leave with you today is,
you know, to hear from God is not being prophetic. Sons and daughters, you know,
Jesus says in John 10, that my sheep hear my voice. To be a son or a daughter and to hear
the voice of God does not make you prophetic. What makes you prophetic is what you do with what you
hear. It's taking the voice of God, taking his downloads, it's taking his wisdom, it's taking
what he speaks to you and then allowing something redemptive and creative and life-giving to actually
be exchanged. It's what do we do with what we hear? And so I just want to pray the wisdom and
discernment, the maturity and the growth and the grace of God to give you everything you need with
what you're hearing from the father, with what you're receiving from the father, that there
would be wisdom and grace and discernment. And how then, what do I do with it? How then do I partner
with you? How do I build with you? What am I strategic to give my time and attention to?
What am I strategic to give my yes to? Because that is what becomes prophetic. Everyone can hear God
to a certain degree because we're wired to hear God. We're sons and daughters, you know,
but it's what we do with what we hear that is all the difference. It's what we
do with what we've received from God that changes the game. So love you guys so much.
Bless you. Such an honor to connect with you. It really is like, we just love seeing your faces
and love the gift of doing life and community with all of you. So hope you have an amazing weekend.
Look forward to connecting with you again next month. We'll be emailing you and letting you
know what our theme and topic will be. If you guys have any ideas or things that you're like,
Hey, I'd love for us to dialogue about this. Please do email. You can email at danaatraisingroyalty.com
or Xylan is your email xylanatraisingroyalty.com. No, I mean, they can email to you or else. I mean,
they can come to our Facebook page and we have a kingdom creative guide.
Yeah. Do you want to share? Yeah, no, that's great. That's perfect. I can actually,
I was just going to like open it up on my website to share the page just to show people in case
they haven't seen it just to quickly show, just take me a minute, one minute, one minute.
Sorry, this is just taking a minute. Of course, when you need it to work.
So Facebook is not responding. Bless the Lord. Oh, here we go. Sorry. This is taking its sweet
time probably because I'm doing multiple functions at the same time. Anyways, you can go to Facebook
and you can go to our raising royalty masterclass page, which is free to join. And just as Xylan
said, there is a guide page there and yeah, Facebook's not responding. So you can go to
the guide page and when you go to guides, you can scroll down and there is a kingdom creatives
guide. And then from there, oh, here we go. Now I can share my page with you. Beautiful people.
Here we go. Okay. Here we are. So this is our kingdom creative page. So this is our
raising royalty and you can go to that kingdom creatives. The guide is guide 11 and then
Xylan posts all different things in that page. It might just take a minute to open this, but
basically.
The page name is Raising Royalty Masterclasses, Mentoring.
Yes.
I'm sorry.
It's taking so long.
Anyways, we can say goodbye.
But at least now, you know.
Yeah, this is the Kingdom Creative page.
Oh, it's not done that.
Okay.
So anyways, Raising Royalty Masterclass page, go to the
Guides, Kingdom Creatives.
Zylan's got incredible posts there.
Wisdom, practical things, tools, encouragements, teachings.
And then if you ever want to say, hey, I have an idea, you
can write a post there and Zylan will see it and then we
can go from there.
So much love to you all.
Bless you.
Have an incredible weekend and we look forward to seeing
you next time.
Yeah.
Goodbye, everybody.
God bless.
Bye.