Let's make the call. Go ahead and come on back in. Find your seats. We want to get
started. A few years ago, a lady applied to do third-year school of ministry with
me. She had gone on a couple of trips, ministry trips, as a second-year student.
She applied. I like to say I'm smart because I said yes. This lady could potentially leave
after a third year because that's what most of our students do. They come and especially
internationals go. We begged for her to stay. She has now become a huge asset to
our prophetic community. Her innovation, her invention, her creativity, her strategic mind,
her heart for our community is so brilliant. She runs all of our prophetic sessions, ministry,
and her and Jamie. Jamie, wave in the back. She's my boss. She tells me what to do all the time.
Her and Jamie actually run a whole new portion of our third-year environment in training and
equipping our students in some pretty incredible stuff. We get the privilege of
going backstage, behind the scenes of all the stuff that she does. Will you please welcome Kim Koch?
She's kind of unique. She's German but lived in Australia a long time, holds a German passport
and an Australian passport. Her goal is to hold also a U.S. passport and have all three at the
same time. That's a rarity but you are a rarity and we love you. We appreciate you. Have fun.
Thank you. Thanks everybody. I'm so excited to be here with you and speaking with you.
It's such a bizarre thing because I mean just two years ago I was sitting exactly where
you're sitting and I was learning and soaking all of this information in. It's just wild to be
on this side just teaching you stuff. It feels a little bit like, I don't know what the
school system is like where you're from or even here in America, but where I'm from in Australia
we usually had these really big class sizes so they were split between two. If you
were in the 11th grade it would be like an 11A and 11B. Do you guys have that kind of system?
No. So oftentimes if there was like a test that was being taken and you had a geography 11A class
in the morning and 11B in the afternoon, if there was a test that was being taken the 11A
class would tell the 11B class like all the things that were on the test so last minute studying
could happen. That's what I feel like is happening. Like I took the test in the morning and I'm
telling you guys in the afternoon what's going on and so I'm a student just like you and
this last year for me has been very much, as Ben said, a year of invention and learning. We're very
much the R&D culture and so I'm excited to just get to tell you the tools and things that I've
learned and hopefully that will help you in whatever sphere you're coming from. I'm actually
curious to begin with, did everyone go to the conference this week? Okay awesome. Are there any
people here that just came for this seminar? Wow that's amazing. Well thank you for coming just for
this. That just shows how hungry you are to come and just learn a little bit more practical tools.
I'm also very much a practical learner so in college I remember having a hard time with
just being spoken to. I was like give me the tools, give me the practical teaching and so
I lean a little bit more that way and so hopefully you'll get some tools that are helpful for you.
So I'd love to just give you a little bit of background of who I am because a lot of you
probably don't have any grid for me but as Ben said I'm a little bit of a mix of German
and Australian. I always like to say I've got a bit of German spice and Australian nice and
so you'll see some of that come across. I actually just came back from both Germany
and Australia. I had the opportunity to go home after two years of not seeing my family so you can
just imagine the tearful reunion that that was.
My whole family surprised me at the gate when I came to Australia, and so that was really,
really sweet.
I never would have imagined when the pandemic hit that it would be two years that I wouldn't
see my family.
I know some of you are probably in the same boat, that you haven't seen relatives in a
long time.
And some of you are probably even traveling for the first time from various countries,
and we love that.
We love having guests starting to come back.
When I started in my role, actually, the church had been doing prophetic sessions for a number
of years.
Gilles Halbert was in the role before me, and we were having guests come every single
week from all over the world for a prophetic session, and some of them would travel these
really far distances just for that, or just for healing rooms.
I mean, that's also very popular ministry here at Bethel, and I remember being one of
those people.
I became so hungry just for a word, or just for an impartation, and so when I stepped
into this role, all of that was not existing.
The church had to be closed, and we were doing online streaming, and I had to think of how
we can still reach these hungry people from all over the world, and so thank God for Zoom.
Everyone's familiar with Zoom now.
I started to think about how we could actually reach people globally, and although we were
doing some of that before, Zoom was just a much better platform for that, so we were
able to reach the people who aren't able to come here, and that has remained, so now we've
got people who are coming in person, and we've kept the online element, and that's just so
great because so many people would love to be here.
I mean, the fact that you're sitting in a seat here in this room today, there's so many
people that would kill to be where you are, and so it's been amazing that we really do
get to reach the nations, and I have such a heart for the nations, having had a little
bit of a mix of the Australian and the European experience, and so I really have a heart for
each of you in this room, too, to receive, so yeah, I'm excited for today to just give
you, as Ben said, just a behind-the-curtain view of what we do, and yeah, I had come here
as a student, as Ben said.
I remember actually visiting, as I said, before coming here, and my brother had done all three
years of school, and I remember arriving here, and I was incredibly sick, sick like I'd never
been before.
I came to America, and suddenly I collapsed as I got off the plane in LA, and it was just
these really weird symptoms that I got, and I remember just having this narrative in my
mind of like, okay, well, that sucks, I'm just going to be sick, and that's what this time
is going to look like, and hopefully I'll feel better by the last few days of my trip,
and then actually something shifted in me where I was like, oh, maybe there is something
for me here, and I remember taking this position of like, wow, I think the enemy is trying
to come against some of the things that I'm receiving here, and a song quickly came to
mind.
Some of you have heard of it probably before, of I went to the enemy's camp, and I took
back what he stole from me, and I remember being in my sick bed, and I was just listening
to that song on repeat, like I went to the enemy's camp, and I took back, and within
the hour, I felt my symptoms change, and I started to feel healthy.
I remember sending a picture to my family of just me just eating this American burger,
and they were like, oh, she's better, because I couldn't eat.
I was like sick out of my mind, and the rest of the time of my visit was like as if it
was handmade for me.
I mean, every day, God was speaking through the speakers and through the worship songs.
I mean, they were singing old school Hillsong songs in the worship sets at Bethel, which
I knew from Australia very well, and I just had this thing wake up in me of like, this
is where I belong.
These are my people, and I was so inspired by the culture.
I mean, I don't know if you have had the opportunity to visit our school, which you are able to
do.
They do allow visitors to come at BSSM, and I remember the students just like coming up
to me, finding out that I was a visitor, and asked me if they could give me a word.
I was like, what kind of culture is this, where people are asking me if they can give
me a word, and something in me just came alive, and I have really incredibly supportive parents
who, after I came back from my visit, were like, yeah, if you want to go, you should
go.
Like, you should go to the school, and that was just such an incredible permission from
them to get to go, and I know I can make decisions for myself, but they had just such an incredible
support for this place too.
And, yeah, something really powerful happened.
I made this agreement to go.
I put my yes out there.
And I wasn't accepted yet in the school.
I hadn't gone through the interview process, but I put my yes out there.
And my mom was actually the first one to recognize it, that I had started to operate in the prophetic
and even in healing in a different way because I was actually saying yes to what was under
this house.
And so even for you guys sitting here today and for those of you who attended the conference,
you have put your yes out there.
There's something so powerful about that.
And you'll actually discover even today that there's going to be an upgrade in the prophetic
and even an upgrade in invention and in bringing what you're learning today and taking it back
home.
So don't underestimate the power of your yes.
Like sitting in this seat today, that's such a powerful statement.
And so I'm believing even, I'm going to actually read out to you our mission statement here
at Bethel Prophetic because I actually feel like this is what you're saying yes to.
So the prophetic ministry of Bethel Church is about igniting purpose, hope, and identity
through the gift of prophecy.
We are passionate about teaching, equipping, and activating believers in the gift of prophecy
and words of knowledge in the local church at Bethel, at BSSM, and to churches around
the world.
And so part of what you're saying yes to, I believe there is something on the purpose
being ignited in you today because that's a passion of ours for you to experience having
purpose.
And then I also really believe you're going to have a hope injection today.
I really feel that there's going to be this thing of, oh, this resonates with my spirit.
This is language that I've been looking for and this hope is going to be injected in you
today.
And one of our other big things is identity, right?
And so we really feel, too, that as you're sitting here today, that's going to come alive
to as well in you of who you are in your prophetic gifting and that even that thing of mothers
and fathers that Ben was speaking about, that you're going to experience this resonating
thing of like, I'm a mother and I'm a father in the prophetic.
Whether you are physically a mother or a father yet at this point.
So yeah, so coming here, it was just, it was so wild.
I wasn't planning on doing all three years of school and I love telling this story of
the first time that I saw Ben Armstrong.
I was so excited to take a prophetic class.
I took Ben's dream interpretation class, which, I mean, if you have an opportunity to come
back here next month, there is just such a thing on dreams right now in general.
And even just having a language is so powerful.
And I remember sitting in that class and just learning about the different types of dreams
even.
I mean, I just thought that they were good dreams and bad dreams, nightmares and God
dreams.
But he has just this ability to unpack dreams in a way that I was like, okay, there are
categories.
If I eat a certain food, that might affect the way that I dream.
Or if I watch a certain thing, that that might actually cause me to have nightmares.
Because I remember growing up and I had nightmares all the time.
Anyone had that kind of background of like having nightmares a ton?
And I didn't actually expose myself to anything that was horrific or anything that would cause
me to have nightmares, but they were happening all the time.
And I do wonder if some of that was an attack from the enemy, but if I had known the certain
tools even that Ben gave in those classes of like, hey, maybe you're actually sensing
something that's going on in the spirit.
And this is how you actually take it to that higher place, that higher perspective, even
of what Haley was speaking about from moving it to this second heaven place to this third
heaven place.
These are the kind of tools that Ben gave in that class.
And I remember him coming into the class and I was so excited to see who is the prophetic
director of Bethel Church.
And he comes in and he's wearing that trench coat that he wore and he's got his glasses
on.
And I'm like, oh, that's the guy from Devil Wears Prada, that's him.
I wasn't expecting it because I came from a background where we did have prophetic ministry
in our church, but they were these big older American dudes that they would fly in and
they were the sayeth the Lord type of people.
And Ben was just so approachable and just very real.
And I remember just being so inspired by Ben and his class.
And I was sitting in that class and I was always in the same second row, just classic
German, just like, I'm going to be here, I'm going to be consistent, I'm going to write
my notes.
And I remember towards the end of that class, it was about a five or six week class.
It was probably in the fifth week.
He was like, this second row has been really highlighted to me and my team.
And we actually felt to encourage you that.
If you've been thinking about doing more than one year of the school like the Lord is on that this year
This school was always designed to be a two to three year school
and at that point in time, I was actually only planning on doing one year and that actually activated me into
considering doing another year of school and
Even just gave permission to me. There was a desire in me to do more than one year
but I thought the the responsible thing would be just to do one year and the logical thing would be to do one year because
They were saving my position for me
Ironically bends my boss now, so he not only talked about not
Not going back to Australia, but also he's my new boss
But I I I think that's such a powerful thing even in the prophetic of this thing of giving permission
Oftentimes even for our guests that come the moment that they're in tears is actually just because we are
Validating something that the Lord has already spoken to them. It's not that it's necessarily a new idea
It's like oh
I actually have that as a deep deep desire in my heart and that's how I felt in that room was like I do
Actually really want to stay for another year and maybe another year after that and then and then been
giving that word
Encouraged me to do that and so
Yeah, the school I think just did this this
reset in me of of
Learning what it looks like to be prophetic or what how how to actually operate in the prophetic and
in my third year, I I came and I did my third year with Ben and
I came in just sort of as Ben has was sharing before just with this posture of like
How can I serve and how can I learn and I didn't list my resume like hey?
I actually have done prophetic training and I've worked in a church like I didn't present any of that to to Ben and the team
I just came in and asked how can I serve and I think that's such an
important posture to take even
when you come out of this place because you will have a lot of tools and you'll probably have this desire to be like
Hey church
I've got all of these tools that we can bring
But just see how welcome that is and see if you do have permission for that
That's going to be so important and it develops trust with the places that you're going to so that's such an important thing
to learn and as you build that trust and as you serve it as you as
As you honor the culture that you go into promotion actually happens super quick and that happened with Ben
I mean he he very quickly trusted me and very quickly promoted me to a point where I was
Uncomfortable and he was like Kim you have to be on you have to be comfortable with favor. Just be comfortable with being
invited into places and into rooms and and
It really did something in me of like if I do actually have a posture of honor if I do have good character
that is going to promote me and that is a positive thing and so
I remember even we went on this trip to Japan and
God had been putting Japan on my heart for a year and I had no idea why it was just on my heart
Prophetic people you'll have that a lot and you'll be like am I supposed to move to Japan now?
Like what is why is this being highlighted to me? And so I I just prayed for a year into Japan and
In my third year
I I ended up seeing on the list of places where Ben was going to be going in that year that he was going to
Japan and little did I know that the Lord was actually already speaking to Ben about Japan for even seven years
He was just had Japan or maybe even longer than that
Japan had been on Ben's heart already and this was his first time
going to Japan and I got to go on that trip with him and and and the Lord prepared my heart for it and
It it just was this incredible
realization that we were only there for two weeks and yet God prepared me for a year for that trip and
Prepared Ben for seven years for this trip. How much does he love?
Love us that he would impress something on our heart for that long of a period of time for two weeks
I mean, that's just that's so kind of the Lord and we saw a lot of powerful things happen
And then yes speaking of that that favor piece we Ben invited me to to go with him and minister to
people in Parliament and that type of thing and and that was just just such an incredible honor and and
I want to speak even a little bit into this idea of your prophetic leaning
so I
I had been getting words even about about having a gift to prophesy to
to people in government and
I remember being in that space with these people in government and just it was there was such an ease to minister to these
People and I should have been intimidated. I should have been
freaked out, which there was a level of that there.
I think there's a good thing of like,
let's honor the people that are in front of us.
But I remember just feeling like,
oh wow, in other contexts, this has been really hard,
but in this context, it's really easy.
And so that's why we even have such a huge encouragement
to our teams to pay attention to where there is
sort of just an ease to prophesy.
Because maybe you're actually called
to that specific group of people.
You know, we think even as prophetic people,
we should be able to prophesy over everyone.
And we do, we have that gift.
We should have that desire also.
But I encourage you to like,
part of the leveling up of the prophetic
that's happening right now is actually
finding your sphere of influence,
finding your people that you're supposed to prophesy over,
and even just developing language for that.
I mean, the way that we prophesy over our guests
that come here on weekends is very different
than how I would prophesy to someone in government
and in business.
And we wanna be people that pioneer language for that.
I mean, we wanna get really good
at figuring out the protocols for them
and how to minister and speak to them.
And so I just even wanna speak over this group today.
If you're called to various mountains,
I just pray that the Lord would just give you language,
even today in this moment.
If you have other downloads that happen as I'm speaking,
you have full permission to just write those things down.
I won't be offended.
Because there's just this invitation
and something in the air for invention.
I just feel that today.
And so I just pray that over you
that you would just be given tools for that
and for the sphere that you're called to.
Thank you, Jesus.
Yeah.
So I'm gonna give you a little bit of a week
in the life of Bethel Prophetic.
So you get to have a bit of an experience
and I'll walk you through sort of each day
and what we do and the purpose behind that.
We are in this season right now at Bethel Prophetic
of sort of living a little bit in the tension
of the old and the new and figuring out
like what things have worked really well in the past
and what things we're seeing in the future
and living in that tension.
And that's sometimes tricky,
because especially as prophetic people,
because we can see a lot and we can dream a lot.
And I feel like when COVID hit,
there was this, again, invitation in the air
to re-examine and look at all of our systems
and operations and visions and structures
and ask the Lord, what are you still on?
And what are you upgrading?
What are you removing?
And so we're a little bit in that season right now.
And I'm not just speaking about how do we apply this
to our online people and to our in-person people.
I feel like God is just doing a general reset
and he's asking us questions of like,
what would it look like to partner with me in leveling up?
And so this year, Jamie and I,
we decided to bring in something new.
We have incredible third year students
who have probably greeted you at some point today.
We have, I think about 12 this year that help
and we couldn't do what we're doing without them.
They are incredible.
And we actually are so lucky with our team today.
They are just so generous with their time and their energy.
And we decided to put a little bit more structure
around the program that we have with them this year.
So I'm gonna speak a little bit into that
to just give you an idea of what that looks like
so that even for you,
if you have volunteers that you're leading,
that you can see a structure
that has worked really well for us and we're figuring out
and hopefully you get ideas from that.
So on a Monday morning, we get together
and we have a strictly no,
well, strictly no business meeting.
It goes for almost two hours.
We do touch on a little bit of business stuff,
but in this time,
it's just a really wonderful way to start our week.
And Ben often shares the dreams that he's maybe had
and things that,
and there's just space for us to process
some of the things that we have been feeling
in the last week or what the Lord has been on
and maybe dreams we've had and all that stuff.
And I think just even as prophetic people,
that's so important to have to have space for.
If you can have that with one other person,
that's already a wonderful thing
because we think we're crazy a lot of the time.
I can't tell you how many times I've been like,
oh my gosh, I've been having these thoughts
and I just, is that just me?
And then I'll go to the Monday morning meeting
and everyone's like, I've had these thoughts
and I've had these feelings.
And it's just this wonderful validating thing.
I think even the challenge in that
and something that was brought up in the prophetic conference
is how do we take those things from the second heaven
again to the third heaven?
Because there's one thing of that being just validating.
and we'll just validate each other,
but what is actually the strategy of bringing that
to that third heaven perspective?
And I think that's sort of been the challenge
that we've been put in.
But I remember one time we,
this was when I was in my third year,
we got together and Ben had had this dream about suicide.
And suddenly everyone in the room
were having similar dreams
or had similar feelings of suicidal thoughts
or just there was this theme
and it was again, this validating thing of like,
okay, that's not just me, I've been feeling that too.
And it's when you're isolated in that,
that can be very terrifying of like,
why is this coming up?
Why am I feeling this?
It turned out that that following day
was suicide awareness day.
And we had actually heard of this unfortunate case
of a pastor committing suicide.
But in that moment,
we actually shifted into this place of prayer
and we just covered the people
who might actually be having these thoughts.
And again, that's just such a wonderful thing
as prophetic people.
We see things a lot before everyone else does.
And it's actually our job and our position
to intercede ahead of time for what's to come.
And I think we oftentimes,
we just wear a badge of honor of like,
I saw that coming, I knew that that was coming
instead of actually moving into a place of like,
yeah, I saw that and I prayed for you in that.
And maybe you've actually shifted things
that avoided that thing happening altogether.
And so, yeah, there's something super important in that.
And that's what our Monday meeting looks like.
It's just unpacking some things.
And so if you can even just start with that,
if you're thinking about building a prophetic ministry
or something, just get really good at dialoguing
some of the things that you're feeling
and connecting in prayer on that
and strategizing in that.
That's a really wonderful place to start.
And that's how we start our week on a Monday morning.
And then, yeah, we have our third years
that commit for about four days in the week to us.
And so we have them on a Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
And we've set up the week in this way
that we have on Tuesday a time
where they just come and they work,
which we call work and invest.
There are things that we need to have done
to make our ministry work.
And I personally really believe in the value
of administration of operations and making things work.
Sometimes we're like ready to take the microphone
and preach or ready to take the microphone and minister,
but we actually need systems and administration
to make that thing successful.
And so that's something that Jamie and I
have really tried to instill in the students
just the value for those things.
And I think even again, for you guys,
if you're leading teams, put vision behind that.
Like I will do a spreadsheet and I'm like,
God, thank you for letting me do this spreadsheet
because with this spreadsheet,
I'm able to get that, for example,
the guests first name and last name
and their email address.
So I can email them information
and make sure that they feel really set up for success.
And then I can find out what country they're from
and then see this list of like,
wow, we have 12 different nations coming this week.
And it just puts this expectation around it.
We can actually flip things like Google Sheets
and administration to something positive
if we put good vision behind it.
If I have an attitude of like,
yeah, this sucks that we have to do
this spreadsheet right now,
it's gonna actually, it's gonna feed through my teams.
And sometimes I found myself apologizing to my teams.
I'm sorry to make you do this spreadsheet right now.
I'm so sorry.
Instead of being like, hey, there's vision behind this
and have expectation behind it.
So that's been a really important thing for us
on a Tuesday in our work time.
And then on Wednesdays,
we've brought in this time of learn and grow.
So again, as prophetic people,
and I've noticed that a lot in my team members
that come and prophesy on a Sunday,
there's such a willingness in them to give
and to serve and to show up even every week.
Sorry, I'm gonna have a drink.
And sometimes the value to actually invest in yourself
and to learn and grow is sometimes a little bit shelved
because I think as prophetic people,
again, with the grace that Ben was speaking about,
it's so there.
It's like, it meets you where you're at.
And it's sometimes scary of how like,
I can show up to something not feeling great.
And then there's grace there to minister.
And you say things that you're like,
I don't think even my life aligns with that.
And so it's been really important for us
even as a department to value this time of like,
how am I developing myself?
How am I growing myself?
And so we will have.
We have various speakers that come for our students from different parts of the church
so that they even have a value for heaven and business and the kids department and the
youth department so that they can see what the prophetic could look like in those various
spheres and learn how that could manifest in, again, these different spheres.
And we've asked the students as well to just pay attention to when you have a certain speaker
to come, does a part of you come alive to that, or is a part of you maybe shut down
to again sort of analyze and see, maybe I'm called to the youth ministry, maybe I'm called
to heaven and business, you know, and we ask them to constantly take that observatory mode
and examine in themselves sort of where do I come alive.
I remember even in school, I mean, we would have speakers every single day, full time
and you're having these incredible speakers come and it's a little bit overwhelming sometimes
and I remember having a season where I had a little bit of adrenal fatigue because you're
in worship every day, you're having these speakers come, and I remember my pastor saying
like, hey, you know, you can disengage if there's someone speaking that you don't resonate
with.
And I was like, German Kim is like, hmm, I don't know, that feels rude, that feels dishonest,
and she just said, well, you know, your spirit will still receive what they're saying, but
maybe in this season you're supposed to just zone in to the area of focus that like even
God's calling you to later, so I'm giving you permission if there's an area where that
doesn't resonate with you, you know, you have permission to disengage and actually ask the
Lord, still use that time to have the Lord speak to you, but anyway, it was just this
bizarre permission that I was given, was being given, and we try to give that to our students
as well, like you have permission if this doesn't resonate with you, still, yeah, show
up, be honoring, but pay attention more so to where God's calling you and actually press
in a little bit more there.
If you were inspired by our youth pastor, why don't you spend some time reading books
connected to that and actually leaning in a little bit more into that, and so that's
been really powerful to have this time on a Wednesday, and then Thursday we move into
a time of dream and create is what we call it, and this is a time where the students
just get to think about what God is calling them to in their personal lives and maybe
where God is leading them to outside of this environment, and it's proven to be an interesting
day because I think we, as prophetic people, we are by nature, we are dreamers, we see
a lot in the future, and I think sometimes we struggle with taking those actionable steps
to get there, and we get a little bit impatient with the, like, I just want to arrive to this
place in the future, and I'm in this place right now where that's not seeming possible.
I actually love the way that Haley talked about that gap, because I think we resonate
with that so much, sometimes being in that cave season or being in a storm season of
I know where I'm called to and I'm in this place, how do I get there, but there is just
such a value in figuring out those actionable steps, so I remember sitting one time, and
I'm going to put Yasmin on the spot, she has these incredible words about orphanages and
about being just like a mother, and I asked her, I was like, you know, does that feel
a little bit overwhelming, just big words like that with where you are right now, and
she admitted it was a bit of a challenge, and I challenged her to collect all of the
prophetic words that she's received that are connected to being a mother of the nations
or orphanages and actually to put those down, because I was like, one day you're going to
be at that place, and you're going to be sharing your testimony, and you're going to be able
to show them proof of, like, I had all of these words that align with that calling,
and that was one actionable step we took to actually take those prophetic words and list
them, and then maybe the next step for her would be, you know, I'm going to read about
every person that has done something similar to me, and there are just ways that we can
actually take those steps in this place and not live in a place of impatience and asking
the Lord, like, for this to happen, because He's put the desire in your heart in the first
place.
Like, He's already fully aware of that desire, and I think He's asking us, you know, how
do we live in this place in present time right now with Him being like the lamp onto our
feet?
What is each step that He's asking me to take to get there?
So dream and create, and actually, speaking
of that session yesterday. I was also weeping in the front with that session. So for those
of you who weren't there, there was a dedicated time at the conference where we had these
speakers come up and speak about what it's like to be in a cave season or in a storm
season or what was the other one? Wilderness season. And for anyone who's been in those
seasons, that really hits and I think that's what was happening to me. I was just weeping
because I knew what it was like to live in a season of depression and anxiety and not
have any friends and wonder how I'm going to get to my prophetic destiny. And so I found
that the way that session impacted me was just with this wave of gratitude came over
me. Like, God, I am right now in this moment in time just in the fulfillment of a lot of
dreams that I've had in my heart. And I was just in this aura of the Lord to just be
grateful for where he's brought me. And I think sometimes we live in that tension again
of like, where am I going next? Where are you calling me to next? And he's just asking
you to be grateful in this season. Hey, can we just live in present time right now and
be grateful for this being the fulfillment of a lot of words that you've had in your
life? And I felt that challenge yesterday of like, I'm always running to the next thing,
but he's just asking me to sit in gratefulness and celebrate where he's brought me. Because
I would have literally died to be where I am today just a couple of years ago, you know?
So why did I bring that up?
Yeah, that's right. That's so good. Yeah. So dreaming, you know, I think, again, like
we can just take those, just figuring out what God is calling you in this present season
to do in those dreams. And then I'm going to talk to you a little bit about moving to
Sunday, which is a main part of my job, prophetic sessions. We actually also have prophetic
sessions on Thursday mornings and our students run that and that's our Zoom portion. And
then Sundays is our in-person part. And so I know Ben touched a little bit on protocols,
but I think I'm going to go a little bit into that just so that you can hear a little bit
of what it looks like practically. When you're a guest coming, you don't maybe necessarily
know that a lot of the things are very strategically set up for your success as a guest and for
the success of the team member. So some of our protocols are theologically based and
some of them are very much Bethel DNA. And so, you know, the theology ones that we feel
like everyone should follow, but some of the Bethel DNA ones that I'll mention, you know,
think about how that applies to you. Maybe some of them do and maybe some of them don't,
but I'm just going to list them anyway. So here we go.
Yeah. So one of our first ones is that every prophetic word needs to come from a heart of
love for God and for the person in front of you. You know, I feel like I'm constantly living in
that of wanting every part of me to be in full alignment of knowing God's love for me.
My background is very much I'm a little bit of a perfectionist and sometimes I can live in this
narrative of God only wants a perfect daughter. And if I don't surrender that part of myself to
be in all of God's fullness of love for me, then I can sometimes go to a performance type of
ministry when I prophesy. So that's just an example of something that you want to surrender
completely in love to the Lord of just like, okay, what is the opposite of this? No, I actually,
God loves me exactly where I am and I don't have to perform. I don't have to be perfect.
And I remember God spending a significant amount of time with me, just having me declare certain
truths over myself and truths about who He is. I encourage you guys to do declarations if you can.
I spent a year where God asked me every morning to declare certain things and until that part
of me just aligned with His truth of what I believed either about myself or I believed about
Him. And we just say that consistently even to our teams because it can be, the ironic thing is we
can say certain things to our guests that we might not actually believe about ourselves or
we believe about God. And it can be really easy to do that. And...
Listen, you could do that all day long
and maybe no one would ever notice,
but there's serious danger in that
because then you become one thing when you're ministering
and behind the curtain,
you're not actually believing these truths.
And there is something about the Spirit even in that,
that even if by God's grace,
He actually lets that impact their guests,
there are times when they can feel
if that's not fully living out itself
and playing itself out in you.
And so I encourage you even,
we actually do have those declarations
that I might actually have the team hand out.
These are declarations I put together.
Some of them are from Igniting Hope.
Some of them are from Joel Osteen.
And there are times where God has me look over that list
and just see where I'm at
with believing some of those truths.
And so I encourage you to look at that.
It's like, yeah,
it's like the textbook of,
have I studied this well enough in me
or have I believed this well enough in me?
And so I'm gifting you that with you today.
There are some personal ones even in there
of some ones that God actually encouraged me to write out.
And I want to encourage you too,
if there are certain declarations
He's asking you to declare in this season
to write those out and speak those out.
So yeah, that's one of our first protocols.
And then another one of our protocols
is that all prophetic words that are given
have God's redemptive purpose in mind.
So again, just speaking from that second heaven
to third heaven perspective,
we can sometimes be in front of a guest
and you see a lot of junk,
you see a lot of bad stuff that's happening,
but we don't call that out.
Just as Ben had said with the example
of the Bob Jones example.
Yeah, this person was, I don't know what was it,
having an affair and doing some bad things,
but they're actually called to these greater things
as a greater calling on their life.
And those are the things that we speak out.
And we believe are actually do something
when we say them and speak those out.
They activate something in them.
Again, as like I had mentioned earlier,
oftentimes it is just that permission
of something that does resonate deep inside of them.
I love seeing that when our teams,
our students go out and prophesy and evangelize
in the city and we minister to people
who don't believe in God.
And we say this thing of like,
hey, you're a really good father.
And there's just this thing that comes over their face
of like, wow, I've never been told that.
I've only been told that I suck as a dad
or I'm not showing up well as a dad,
but that resonates with me.
I actually do feel like I have a heart to be a good father.
And so that's the whole idea of that protocol
of God's redemptive purpose in mind
and what he's actually calling them to,
because they know the other side of the narrative
of I might suck and I'm not showing up.
But if we actually tell them what God is calling them to,
it can activate something in them
and shift their perspective and align them with truth.
And that's what God is calling us to do.
Okay, one of our Bethel DNA protocols,
which I don't know if you may have heard around here,
but we say this a lot of no dates, mates, and babies.
So the reason that we have that as a protocol
is because we don't wanna have anything definitive
that we're saying.
God is doing a lot of new things in the prophetic,
but a lot of what happened in the past
was that people were giving these definitive words
that like locked people in
of you're gonna have a baby in a year.
And there's just a lot of heartache
that can happen with that.
When we say those definitive things,
that's not to say that that might not actually happen
and we don't have accuracy there,
but we encourage our teams to do it more
in a way of asking questions like,
hey, I'm seeing a baby.
Is that a desire of your heart to have a baby?
And actually just protecting yourself
and protecting the guest in that way,
because we could be wrong.
Like we actually have to have that humility
that we may be wrong.
And maybe that picture of a baby might mean something else.
Maybe it means new life.
It's not up to us to give the interpretation,
but if we ask questions,
that's actually setting up ourselves
and our guests way more for success.
And so we do give permission to,
we have a huge take risk culture.
So it's sometimes ironic with this kind of a protocol
because people are like,
well, don't you allow people to take risks
in words of knowledge?
And absolutely we do.
But why don't you do it in a way of asking questions
instead of making it a definitive locked in thing?
Yeah.
One of the things that I love that we say around here
is God hides things for us and not from us.
And sometimes we're seeing things.
God's not asking us to give that full picture because He actually wants that individual
to lean into relationship with the Lord and ask more questions and lean in closer to Him.
Yeah, Ben spoke a little bit about this one, I believe, of to prophesy from a strong identity
and not for one.
What that means basically is we can sometimes be tempted, even I'll admit myself, I was
yesterday at the end of the conference, we had this time where we just randomly ended
up ministering to this pastor and there were some powerful people giving prophetic words
to this pastor and I found something come up in me of like, I need to show that I also
am prophetic and like should give him a word as well.
And I realized that right away and I realized, okay, I'm prophesying for an identity and
not from one.
And so we can recognize that really quickly, apologize and then recenter and again, when
I was speaking about vision of like, does this person need to hear this right now?
Okay, if they do, then I'll speak it out, but I won't speak it out to be impressive
or to show that I can level up to the same people around me.
So we're just asking our teams to do that same thing of like, everyone's called to prophesy,
but you don't need to prove something and it shouldn't come from that place.
So that's a really key one as well.
And then we also always ask our teams to give short and concise words and to not speak past
where Holy Spirit speaks.
So our prophetic words, this is scriptural and we've based it on three things of revelation,
interpretation and application.
And so sometimes we, I'm going to give an example.
For instance, if I saw the picture of a bird, you know, maybe the Lord is just saying bird
and he's not asking me to then come up with the interpretation of God is calling you to
new places or I don't know.
Sometimes it could just be that this person works with birds and we're not actually asked,
we're not supposed to figure out the interpretation for it.
So just be very mindful when you're getting certain images of what is something that you're
interpreting that to be, or what God is actually, where he's asking you to stop.
And again, we encourage you to practice, like practice is key and doing it with safe
people.
I remember spending a time just with my housemates and we would practice and we would evaluate
and go back to like, okay, how far did that word resonate?
And then realizing or figuring out, okay, it stopped resonating after this point and
getting really good feedback of not like, well, it could have meant that for me.
And so I see where you're going with that.
Like actually having people of like, no, after this point, it didn't resonate so that I can
actually learn to hear what was me and what was the Lord and figuring out that distinction.
And then we tell our teams as well that our body language is prophesying.
And so you'll find that as well when you're, wherever sphere you're called to, it's really
important how you position yourself with the person that you're giving a word to.
That's really important.
And even how you interact with the person that you're partnered up with.
We had a story one time of this billionaire guy, Ben, I heard the story from Ben, so it's
not one that I know very well, but I believe he had come and visited Bethel and was receiving
some words from these two individuals.
And the feedback that this billionaire guy gave was, yeah, everything that they said
resonated and was right on, but I couldn't receive it because of how these two individuals
were interacting with each other.
They weren't giving space to each other.
They were in competition with each other.
And so he, even though he admitted the words were right on, the relationship between the
two and the love that these two had, it didn't really exist.
And so that too, like honoring and respecting the person that you're partnered up with and
even honoring them.
If I'm out and about and I feel a word for someone, I will ask them, hey, do you have
a second for me to give you a word of encouragement?
And really like honoring where they're at with certain things.
And something we say here is also to just control your manifestations.
So a lot of people don't have a grid for some of these ways that we maybe.
manifest and while those are powerful moments from the Lord and things that are happening
to you, we actually do believe that there is a way to posture yourself to not manifest
in front of the person that you're with.
And so all of those things are really important in creating safety around the prophetic for
people.
Awesome.
So those are some of the key protocols.
There are a number more that I could probably touch on, but we don't have time for that
today.
I would encourage you to at this point, if you have any questions that sort of come to
mind around this or around anything that we're saying, we're going to have a Q and A session
at the end.
So there'll be space for you to ask questions and we invite that as well.
And then I just wanted to give you some tools as well of when you are prophesying in front
of someone.
We have a lot of various activations that we do, like what color are you getting for
this person?
Or if you're stuck and you're finding, I don't know how to start giving a prophetic
word or what movie character do you think of when you see this person?
And there's so much permission to have fun and play with the prophetic.
One of my biggest things around the prophetic is the prophetic should be fun.
We get to have so much fun with the prophetic.
I love nothing more than if I go to a coffee shop and I see the girl serving me and I tell
her, hey, you remind me of this Disney princess.
Do you know how much people love hearing that kind of thing?
And it just brings so much fun back to the prophetic.
And so if you're ever stuck in the prophetic, those are some things that you can do.
I'm going to list out a few other questions that we sometimes tell our teams.
So God, how do you see this person?
If they have, sorry, if they had never been hurt, what would they look like?
What are they good at?
What do you love about them?
What gift are you giving them right now?
What kindness have you shown them lately?
That's a really good one.
How are their family relationships?
Do you want to speak to them about their past, present or future right now?
And what do you want to say about that?
So these are some key questions.
And I actually want to quickly move into a time of activation for you to have some of
those questions in mind.
So why don't you pair up with somebody right now?
It can actually be with the person that you're next to, even if you know them, because then
they'll give you some good, honest feedback.
So why don't you take a second just to pair up, and then I'll give you maybe one of the
activations that we could do.
Yeah.
So, okay, I'll just list out those questions again for you guys.
So, God, how do you...
Let's just take a second, actually, I'll just list them out again.
God, how do you see this person?
If they had never been hurt, what would they look like?
What are they good at?
What do you love about them?
What gift are you giving them right now?
What kindness have you shown them lately?
How are their...
Oh, sure.
I'm going too fast.
Okay.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
That's so funny.
You guys are so hungry, ready to take notes.
Okay.
Hey, Deutschland.
Let's go.
Yeah.
These are questions that you can ask in your dialogue with the Lord of...
Okay, I'll list them again.
So God, before I start speaking, I'll ask the Lord, how do you see this person?
How do you see this person?
Before I start speaking, I'll ask the Lord, how do you see this person?
And we're not asking you in this activation to do all of these right now.
These are just some questions that you can ask the Lord.
If they had never been hurt, what would they look like?
What are they good at?
I don't know what pace to take.
What do you love about them?
What gift are you giving them right now?
What kindness have you shown them recently?
How are their family relationships or friendship relationships?
I know that for me, in a season where I was having a really hard time with friends,
if someone had just said, hey, how are friendships going?
That would have opened up something in me to just feel validated of like, wow,
I feel so seen in this moment.
Even though it's painful, that being highlighted would have actually been a validation for me.
What color would you speak to them and why?
So I would ask the Lord, what color are you highlighting for this individual in front of me?
might see the color green, because he's wearing green.
And you can use those cues.
Sometimes we think we can't use the cues of what they're wearing, but I'm seeing that
he's wearing green, and I actually feel like the Lord speaks to you a lot in nature, Josh.
And I'm seeing green because I actually see you walking through forests, and it's like
the streams of sunlight come through the trees and give you this life, and God is rejuvenating
you in this season with life and just love and connection with him.
Whoa, okay.
Felt a lot on that.
So things like that, where you can actually use things like that as a way to prophesy.
What was another one?
What would you speak about their past, present, or future right now?
And what do you want to say about that?
So with the person next to you, I think we're going to go ahead and do the color one.
I feel like there's something on that.
We'll take...
How much time should we take for that?
We're going to...
I'll give you a minute.
Why don't you guys stand up, actually, as you're doing it?
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
So everyone familiar?
Is everyone familiar with rock, paper, scissors?
All right.
Why don't you do it?
All right.
Why don't you do rock, paper, scissors with the person in front of you?
All right.
Okay.
So if you won, you're going to go first, and we're just going to take a minute right now,
just everyone in silence, to ask the Lord for a color for the other person.
Okay?
So both of you should be thinking right now of a color for the other person.
And then after the minute, I'll let you know, and you can start, and we'll give you about
a minute to prophesy.
Did you say start?
Start?
No, just...
Take a minute first, and I'll let you know when the minute is up.
So in that minute, just asking the Lord what color He's giving.
Okay.
Take 30 seconds.
Thank you, Jesus.
Some people are ready.
They're looking at me like, let's go.
All right, and get your recording devices out, because you're going to get a powerful
word in this time.
And when you feel ready, why don't the first person can go ahead and start.
All right, first person, wrap up your word.
All right, when you're ready, switch over and have the second person go.
Awesome.
Second person, start wrapping up your word.
All right, I'm going to pull you guys back.
Thank you, Jesus.
All right, great.
I'm going to pull you guys back.
If you guys want to keep prophesying,
there's a break that's going to happen.
So you have permission to keep going then.
I think we have to let them know.
Wow, love seeing the energy in the room.
All right.
Go ahead and wrap those up.
And 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1.
And if you look at me, how many of you
who just did this exercise?
Hopefully those of you at home did this as well,
grabbed a family member or someone.
How many were encouraged by the word you just received?
Good.
Everyone should be.
You guys are prophetic.
You're good at this.
If you weren't encouraged, maybe give them
feedback to stay with 1 Corinthians 14,
verse 3, the one who prophesies, prophesies
for the strengthening, encouragement,
and comfort of another.
All right.
Hey, how many of you enjoyed Kim K?
Kim Possible, she's awesome.
We love her so much.
Hey, we're going to take a break in just a moment.
But I did want to draw your attention to the screen.
We're going to do a special deal.
We're going to put a slide up for our Dream Life
School of Interpretation.
And we're going to do a special deal for you guys.
If you want to sign up today, we're going to have teams.
Where are we going to have them, Jamie, in the back, in the room?
And then those of you who are online,
you can put it in the chat too.
But we're going to help you get signed up
and give you $20 off if you sign up today for the conference.
So if you are interested in that, which
I'm very interested in that time.
And like Kim said, it is a season
where God is speaking in dreams more than it
seems like in a long time.
It's kind of like when Jesus Christ showed up on the scene,
what happened?
People started dreaming.
Joseph had dreams.
And it's super important in the season
where when Jesus shows up in new ways,
it usually is marked by an increase of dreams and visions.
And we want to apprehend what God is saying,
because it's many times very strategic.
But we'd love to have you be a part.
If you can't come back in town, we
do have a whole online portion of that
as well, so you can learn from wherever you are in the world.
And we're going to take a quick break.
I believe this is our 30-minute break.
Yeah, and we have some snacks on the back table
if you want to grab a snack.
There's some water bottles.
There's tables on both sides.
We also have a slide with a phone number and an email
address for you guys to text in your questions.
So maybe during this 30-minute break,
you can think about some of the questions
that you would have for us and either text or email us.
We join with a song of heaven today.
Yeah.
Only a moment to live this life.
Like shooting stars, burning up the night,
until heaven's open.
Like shooting stars, burning up the night,
until heaven's open.