Hey, how are you doing, hope you're doing great, it's good to, really good to be here
with you guys, really good to see you, I'm very, very excited about our session today.
We are going to explore an amazing, amazing topic which is called Separation is an Illusion.
Hey, good to see you guys there, it's great to have you, great to have you on board, great
to, great to be here with you guys, I am really loving this journey, really loving connecting
with people, Christine, welcome, some people I can see that you're watching, your name
didn't pop up though, but welcome all of you guys, just shout out if you're there, just
say hello, Claire, well done, welcome, Michelle, good afternoon to you, good morning to Claire
who got up at 4am in South Africa to catch the live, that's brilliant, great to see all
of you guys and awesome to connect with you as well if you're watching this in the delayed
coverage later on, amazing to connect with you guys, Robert, my man, great to have you
here, Christine, kia ora, kia ora, Tracy, good to have you guys, hey, just give a wave
there, if you can just click on your phone if you're there, if you're watching and it'll
pop up, I can see that you're there, I can say hello, even if you're watching this in
the delayed, just wave or say hello and I'll know that you're there, but lots of love to
you guys, excited about today, Ruby, great to have you with us too, yeah, really good,
Anna, lovely to have Anna with us, hope you guys had a great weekend, I had a really good
weekend, hi Tracy, hi Robert, hi Ruby, yeah, I had a really, really good weekend, I've
had a good morning this morning, some of you might have seen, I had a good battle with
my kids and a little bit of fun, Alicia, kia ora, kia ora, welcome Alicia, if you're from
overseas, kia ora is how we say hello in Aotearoa, it's the Maori word for hello, but so good
to have you all on board and we are going to get into some juicy content today around
this massive topic, separation is an illusion, before we do that, I want to engage with you,
I want to ask you a question, I love your responses, Margaret, great to have you there,
Margaret is having an issue, let me just check, I'll check one thing, but I don't think it's
my phone, that's not on my end, whatever that issue is, my side is looking primo, Timothy
Mora, great to have you live, my man, Timothy, Timothy Mora from Nelson, great to have you
here, Margaret, great stuff, hey, so I've got a question for you, I want to ask you
this question, I'd love you just to type your answers as we get in, but here's what I'd
like you just to answer in three words, you know, maybe three words or kind of close to
three words, the question is, what does winning look like? In the Christian life, what does
winning look like? Jesus said, judge a tree by its fruit, you know, so he's talking about
teaching, he says, judge this teaching by the fruit that it produces in your life, so
I've got a question for you is, what does winning look like? In three words or roughly
around three words, what fruit should we expect to see on the tree? If we've really grasped
the gospel, if we've really grasped the message that Jesus came to share with us, what should
it look like? Okay, so Clare says total surrender, yep, what types of things should it manifest
in our life as well? I'm thinking John 15, 11 pops up for me, Jesus said, I have told
you these things so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be perfect, what other
types of fruit, what types of things, just type them in the comments there, yeah, love,
absolutely, some serious boom is about to happen, yes, Tim, you are totally right, we're
going to get some boom, love for sure, wow, that is like, that is the core thing of core
things is love should manifest, overcoming attacks from the enemy, absolutely, Jesus
demonstrated that sonship is victorious, happiness overflowing, Alicia says, yes, absolutely,
Stephanie, great to have Stephanie coming in, Jane, great to see you, peace, Timothy
Moore, yeah, revealing who God is, we should become, we should become a perfect reflection
of who He is when we understand who we are, boom, yeah, so we should reveal who God is
as a default setting, joy, yes, absolutely, Jane, any other things of what the fruit of
what life should look like, what Jesus said, I've come that they might have life and have
it in abundance, connection with the Trinity, says Clare, patience, yes, so what?
What does the abundant life look like?
We want to ask ourselves and have a really good concept and understanding of what should
the fruit be on the tree?
Perseverance, becoming more like Christ, yes, great words Anna.
Peace and rest, absolutely, shalom in the Hebrew, compassion, yeah, beautiful expression
of love, abundance and freedom, yeah, awesome Jane, yeah, this is great stuff.
There should be a whole lot of these awesome fruits appearing, manifesting on the tree.
Great to see you Stephanie, so that's what I want to talk about today, I want to kind
of get into this topic of what the fruit should be because I just read a line that I wrote
in a book that I'm writing, I wrote, religion demands perfection but prophesies failure.
Religion demands perfection but prophesies failure and so often that's the case.
So we want to test our, yeah, good stuff, fruit of the spirit, kindness, yeah, ruling
and reigning, Margaret, absolutely, that's some good chicken right there.
The, oh, like religion in my life really didn't produce all that much good fruit.
So as we're going to explore what's kind of a controversial type topic, as we're exploring
something that might seem crazy, Joe, welcome to have you, yeah, a reflector shield from
worldly slaps, yeah, good stuff Alicia.
If we're going to explore this, you know, this reformational theology, we want to ensure
that what we're getting into, what we're studying, what I'm training you in is actually going
to be producing and increasing the level of fruit in your life.
If it's not increasing the level of fruit in our lives, we should really question the
teaching that we are subscribing to.
So I know for my life, I did a lot of questioning, so much questioning of the theology that I'd
subscribe to because the theology that I'd subscribe to wasn't producing the fruit of
the divine life.
Yeah, great word there Margaret, becoming love.
So Jesus said, I've come that they might have life and have life abundantly and that word
life is the Greek word zoe, which refers to the divine life.
So it's not just the average life, he doesn't, Jesus didn't come so that you and I can have
an average life, Jesus didn't come so that you and I could have the status quo, he didn't
come so that we could have life, but like a depressed, suppressed, oppressed life.
He came that we could have divine life as our state of being, divine life, and not just
like a small amount of it, the Greek word that Jesus used when he said, I've come that
they might have life and life abundantly, that word abundantly means beyond measure.
So absolutely limitless amounts of the divine life as our normal, as our default setting.
We wake up tomorrow, wow, divine life explodes.
So that doesn't look like, yeah, eternal life, Tim as well, looks like eternal life and that's
great as well.
You want to ask Jesus how he defines that, Clive, great to have you on board.
Jesus defines what eternal life is in John 17 verse 3, he said, now this is eternal life
to know God or to Gnosko, to Yadah, to have intimate experiential knowledge of the Trinity,
to intimately participate in union and communion with God as our, as our normal.
That's what Jesus, that's how Jesus defines eternal life.
He defines it as knowing God, as intimate experiential participation and fellowship
with the divine nature.
Now that is good stuff.
So we're going to explore this concept, separation is an illusion, we're going to explore this
whole concept of what fruit should be on the tree.
I'm going to pray now.
What an honor to have you all with us.
I just really want to say I love you.
I love connecting with you.
I love the videos and the testimonies that are getting, coming out.
I'm seeing lots of cool personal messages coming through to me as well of people getting
really rocked by what God's doing.
Bex, great to have you on board.
So hey, let me pray.
Wow, Jesus, Jesus in John 10, 10, you said that you've come that we might have life and
have it abundantly.
Wow.
And we want to feast on that, Jesus, if it's an abundance, there should be a feast, there
should be an overflow.
And Jesus, we just want you to stand with us today.
Trinity, we want you to dance with us today as we explore this concept, as we share this
time together.
Trinity, I ask that you knit our hearts together in love.
I ask that Your presence would be something that we become acutely aware of.
I ask that You would awaken our awareness to the present reality of Your glory right here in us,
with us, upon us, through us.
I ask that You would awaken our awareness to our inclusion in You
and to this life of divine union, divine inclusion in You.
I just ask that You release a spirit of wisdom and revelation right now.
And I ask that You just begin to release baptisms in love even right now
to every person who hears my voice.
I thank You for a release of the power of a baptism in Your love,
a participation in the divine life,
a changing and a rearranging of paradigms and wineskins and mindsets
and theologies and structures and beliefs
that have limited our participation in the divine nature.
And I ask for an upgrade, Trinity, that You would release revelation
that produces an upgrade, that releases an effortless participation in the divine life,
an effortless participation in the divine life,
in the divine state of being.
So just flood us with revelation.
Flood us with seamless union.
Flood us with the divine life in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Wow.
That's so good.
Hey, good to have Pratheesh with us.
Amen.
Transform us, Papa.
Turn us into a reflection of Your glory.
Righto.
So here's a story for you.
Did you know, maybe you didn't, maybe you did,
250,000 people a year, according to the Washington Post,
over 250,000 people a year in the United States die from medical error.
That's over 250,000 people a year dying from medical error.
Go, wow, if that's a big deal.
I think that's a big deal.
It's actually the third largest cause of death in America.
Whoa, never mind like JAWS and all these scary things that we hear about.
No, the thing you should be scared about more than anything else is your doctor.
Yep.
And we thought, oh my gosh, we thought we could trust doctors.
But actually, the third largest cause of death in America is medical error.
That's over 250,000 people a year dying because the doctor had this misdiagnosis of what the issue was.
And then they stumbled around and boom, at the end of the day,
the doctor made such a massive mistake that they caused death to the patient.
That is just a big deal.
Now, this is really the kind of the concept of the topic that I want to get into,
is misdiagnosis leads to a faulty treatment.
Misdiagnosis leads to a faulty treatment.
So if we diagnose an issue poorly, or if we falsely,
or if we get a misdiagnosis of an actual issue that we're trying to deal with,
then once we've got a misdiagnosis, we'll come up with a faulty treatment.
And guess what? At the end of the day, that faulty treatment, it won't work.
And if you're in a doctor's context, that faulty treatment could actually lead to death.
And that's one of the reasons why over 250,000 people a year, according to the Washington Post,
die in the States and make medical error the third largest killer of people in the United States.
That is crazy.
But I mean, it's people that we think we could trust.
You think you could trust your doctor.
You think, well, I mean, these guys study.
They study for a long time.
They should have it right.
But actually, there's some critical, terrible issues in the infrastructure of that whole system,
which is producing the fruit of making doctors the third largest cause of death in America.
So it's a little bit like that in the church world as well.
A little bit like that in terms of our religious context as well.
Because for over 1,500 years, in the mainstream theology of the church,
there has been a major, major misdiagnosis leading to a false treatment,
which is actually causing a terrible amount of death, destruction, and chaos in the church.
And ultimately, it's causing this reality where there's all these people in the church.
They're subscribing to the theology.
They're subscribing to the training.
They're doing all this hard work.
But at the end of the day,
actually getting the fruit that Jesus promised. So Jesus promised that they
would have, we would have life and have life abundantly. But you know what? I know
that there's pastors on antidepressants. What? Pastors on antidepressants? Yep,
pastors on antidepressants struggling to cope with life, struggling with life
scenarios, struggling with all this fruit that comes from orphan theology. I call
it orphanology. And the church is full of orphanology. And that is why people aren't
getting free. People live for years and years and years bound, still oppressed,
still depressed, still suppressed, still regressed. It's like, it's chaos in the
church. So why is there so much chaos in the church? Why is chaos in the church
like mainstream? Why is it that there's so many people struggling in church,
depressed and dealing with condemnation and they're not feasting on the divine
life? The gospel, when we grasp the heart of the gospel, it produces an abundance,
a feast, it produces the divine life beyond measure. And I'll tell you what,
you won't need antidepressants anymore when the divine life fully possesses you.
It'll produce all the joyful, blissful chemicals that you need. Now I've got
people on our training who are on antidepressants, right? They've had a life
of chaos and religion and they're on antidepressants at the moment. So I would
not say just ditch your medication and run off. People ditch medication and run
off and it is, it's a bad idea. So if you're on medication, stay on your
medication, work out a plan with your doctor as things permit. But don't just
rush into that. But what I'm saying is, the divine life is on offer. That's the
whole, that's the whole purpose of Jesus' message is to reproduce the divine life
that he experiences in his life to reproduce that in your life. When
Jesus said in John 8 32, the truth will set you free. This is what the truth is
supposed to do. It's supposed to set you free. Boom. So let's have a
shout out from some people right now on three things that you like, you
experience these three, three dynamics of orphanology. You know, like you've
subscribed to the training, you've been in church but you've still got these
three emotional struggles or personal struggles. You're like, oh man, I'm
struggling with this sin or struggling with this emotion or struggling with
this feeling. Why don't you chuck that out there? Because there's some, you know, a
lot of us are going through stuff. I went through condemnation for years. So maybe
your top three things or three things that you thought, oh man, I really
struggled with this. Or just whack some of those down in the comments of things
that you really struggled with. I want to, you know, engage with some of those
topics and get into some of these things today. So for myself, it would be
condemnation. It would be struggling to get connected to God. And it would be
performance-based acceptance. Yeah, loneliness. Yeah, thanks Stephanie. That's
a massive one. That's huge. Christine, thanks for your comments. And
Hayden, thanks for your comments there. Hayden just shared that he's on
antidepressants. Well, yeah, there you go. Addiction, fear, rejection. Those are
massive in church. Those are not just struggles outside of church. Those are
struggles in church. So Joe says, yeah, we've got depression coming up,
low self-worth, frustrations, worry, lack of control.
Yeah, people-pleasing, anxiety, rejection. Yeah, these massive issues that are
coming up. And they're rampant in church life. It's not like just one thing here
or there. Nearly every single person is struggling in church. Nearly every
single person. If you get vulnerable enough, yeah, there you go. Stephanie says
fear, rejection. But if people get vulnerable enough, oh my gosh, yeah, not
fitting in, not connecting. Yeah, that disconnection, that's massive. Yeah,
these are huge, huge topics. And guess what? That's what happens when our gospel
gets messed up. When our gospel gets messed up, it produces all these negative
fruits on the tree. When our understanding of the gospel gets messed
up, that's what life looks like for us. But when we start to understand the
gospel, I tell you what, Jesus promised freedom. Yeah, mental health
is now, wow, that's an interesting fact. Claire just said mental health is now the
leading cause of death in the Western world. Joe was saying she's had
rejection, not fitting in, disconnection. Christine says frustration. Yeah, so
these are huge, huge issues for everyone on a constant basis in the life of
church. So what I want to look at today is this concept of separation is an
illusion. Now separation is an illusion and it comes from, separation in our
Christian world, this disconnection, it comes from
It's the fruit of a misdiagnosis. There's a misdiagnosis in church that's producing a faulty treatment.
Hey Kiri, good to have you on board. Ruby's just saying she's a struggle with all of the above.
And a lot of us have struggled with so many things.
So here's the deal.
Separation and sin have been diagnosed as the core issues for why Jesus came and why he was on the cross.
Now I am going to make this statement today. I'm going to make a little bit of a case for this concept that
Jesus on the cross was not about dealing with sin or separation.
Jesus wasn't dealing with sin or separation as the root cause of what he was dealing with.
Yes, when Jesus came he dealt with sin and separation.
But sin and separation are not the root cause.
Sin and separation are big deals. They're massive struggles. They're huge issues for us.
But they are not the root cause.
Now if we're going to diagnose something accurately, we have to be able to discern between what is a symptom and what is a root cause.
What's producing the issue versus what's the fruit of the issue.
So sin and separation are big deals.
They are life-destroying, terrible things.
And we don't want them in our worlds.
But they are not the root of our issue. They are the fruit of our issue.
There's a deeper cause that goes below.
There's actually a root cause that goes deeper than sin and separation that produces sin and separation in our lives.
If we think that sin and separation are the root cause and we go around trying to deal with sin and separation all the time,
we end up really sin conscious rather than being son conscious.
And when we're sin conscious, we just have sin on the brain.
Sin gets stuck in our mindsets and this is religion.
This is normal church. This is my past.
This is the life that I lived for decades.
I lived in this world of sin and separation are the root cause.
It's like if you imagine a tree and there's all this fruit on the tree and making sin and separation the root of the problem
is like going to the tree and picking the fruit, picking the fruit, picking the fruit and expecting the tree to die.
It just doesn't work like that.
You're going to guarantee to get another great harvest next season.
And for me that's what sin was.
I thought sin and separation were the root cause.
So I treated them as the root cause in my life, just like I've been told to and trained to my whole life in religion.
So I try and get rid of sin and separation.
And guess what? I'd come back and boom, there's more sin and separation on the tree.
Picking the fruit won't get rid of it.
So we've got to figure out, okay, what's the deeper root cause that's actually producing the fruit on the tree?
The deeper root cause that produces the fruit on the tree is what Jesus was actually coming to deal with.
Now the deeper root cause on the tree is two things.
It's a misunderstanding of who the Father is.
A misperception of the nature of our Father in heaven.
A misunderstanding of our nature in heaven, boom.
And when we have a misperception of who the Father is, it leads to an identity crisis.
It leads to an orphan mindset, an orphan state of being, of disconnection and frustration
and all those things we've talked about already in the journey, the beautiful journey from the orphan illusion to the bliss of sonship.
All of those things are what manifest in our lives as a result of believing that sin and separation are the root cause.
So the real issue is a false understanding of who the Father is
and that messes with our blueprint of our divine design because we're made in His image.
So a root cause of false understanding of who the Father is and a false understanding of who we are.
Hey guys, great to have some other people clicking in.
Wilson and Jordan and others just jumped on board as well.
Welcome to you all, great to have you.
So the root cause that produces the fruit of separation and sin is a false understanding of who the Father is
and a misdiagnosis of our own identity.
And when we have this, so think of it like this.
Our issues always go like this.
Father issues, identity issues, sin issues.
So if you want to get to the root cause and deal with all the roots that are producing this sin and separation
and negative emotions, negative beliefs, negative behaviors, addictions, terrible feelings oppressing us in life.
Stella, welcome as well.
If we want to deal with that, then we've got to deal with the false image of the Father that we have.
The false identity beliefs that we have and that's going to deal with the root cause.
So, here we go.
I'm going to make a case right now, I'm going to transition a little bit, I'm going to make
a case right now for why sin and separation are not our root issues.
I'm going to make a statement, and then I'm going to back it up with some Bible, but I
just want you to hear the statement first.
The statement is that faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is not what deals
with separation.
Well, that sounds like a big deal.
People did not need faith, let me expound it, clarify it a little bit for you.
People did not require faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to experience
connection and intimacy with God.
So I'm going to call three biblical witnesses to show to you biblically how sin and separation
were not the root causes, and the cross was not dealing with separation.
So let me make my statement again.
People did not require faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to experience
intimacy with God.
Boom.
Now that might sound like a big statement, but I'm leading you somewhere, I'm leading
you to stop trying to deal with the fruit as an issue, and leading you to discover the
real root cause of the issue.
And when we deal with the root cause, boom, we put it to death, and we get to shift out
of a life of dealing with all the sin and separation into a life where we actually participate
in the divine life as a feast.
Rosa, good to see you.
Caroline, good to see you.
Great to have you guys on board.
Okay, here's my three biblical witnesses that I'm going to call.
The first one is the entire Old Testament from the fall until John the Baptist.
That's the first witness I'm going to call from the Bible, and then the second witness
that I'm going to call is Jesus himself and the life of Jesus, and then the third witness
that I'm going to call from the Bible to endorse this concept is Paul and how Paul preached
the gospel.
So separation actually is the easiest religious myth to dispel.
I couldn't actually have an easier religious or theological debate to win.
You couldn't present me with an easier option to win than this one.
So all I have to do to prove that humanity, that people could have fellowship and connection
and intimacy with God without having faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ,
all I have to do to prove that, that people did not have to have faith in the death and
resurrection of Jesus Christ to have intimacy with God, is demonstrate that only one person
after the fall and before the cross had intimacy with God.
So hey guys, now this is going to be the easiest challenge for me theologically ever to win
this.
So all I have to do to prove that people didn't need faith in the death and resurrection of
Jesus Christ to experience intimacy with God or connection or union with God, is to
prove that one person had intimacy with God after the fall and before the cross.
Okay, you guys still with me?
Do you think that I can do this?
Do you think that I'll be able to prove to you biblically?
Just let's give a thumbs up or a question mark or I doubt it or maybe or I'm not sure.
Just let's have some type of feedback if you think that I can actually accomplish this
with you.
A few people think they might be able to accomplish this, might be able to lay out a clear biblical
foundation for how, for this point.
Good stuff guys, good stuff.
Okay, so the first thing is, if humanity was, if sin caused God to separate and disconnect
from humanity and if sin was such an offense to God that he could, hey thanks for the comments
guys, appreciate that, good feedback coming.
I'm feeling encouraged, I think I can do this, I'm looking forward to it.
So let me rewind a little bit and get us all on the same page so that we can go forward
together.
I'll rewind a little bit, we'll back up the truck and we'll go on this journey together.
For me, when I was at church, the gospel was always presented to me that after the fall,
boom, sin.
And that sin was a massive, massive issue.
And because God is holy and because God is just, he can't have any connection, he can't
have any association with sin or with sinful humanity.
So now there's a massive separation between sinful humanity and a holy God.
The fall, that's all the sin, all the sin is going on, and oh no, now because humanity
has sinned, God's like, I can't be with sinful humanity, I have to disconnect from sinful
humanity.
I've got to disconnect from sinful humanity because I'm just too holy for that.
So my point that I'm going to make now is that sin never actually caused God to disconnect
from humanity.
The point that I'm going to prove to you now is that separation is an illusion.
Sin never actually causes God to disconnect from us.
Sin doesn't cause God to disconnect from humanity.
So what I was told when I grew up in church is that because of this, because of this big
sin at the fall, God separated himself from humanity, and when Jesus came at the cross,
finally, after thousands of years, the cross restored humanity's ability to have a relationship
with God.
So the image that was always used was this, hey Joseph, good to have you there, great
to have people jumping on from all over the place.
The image that I was presented with was a big chasm.
Sin produced this big chasm, and on one side you have sinful humanity, and on the other
side you have a holy God.
And because of sin there's this massive separation.
Sinful humanity on this side, holy God on one side, and no way because of sin for us
to get connected.
So Jesus came at the cross, and at the cross, boom.
And in the illustrations, if you've seen these diagrams, then a cross, boom, slides in between
the chasm of sin and God, and then because of the cross, humanity can once again have
intimacy and connection with God.
Yes.
Okay.
Yay, the cross saved the day.
The cross satisfied the wrath of God.
Now God is appeased, he's not wrathful anymore, he's okay, he's somehow appeased, almost like
the cross was a giant Prozac in a way, like God had this massive issue, almost like the
fall caused God to fall, almost like the fall caused...
Some great comments coming out there by the way as well, guys.
I'm loving this, I'm loving the engagement.
I think we're going to get lots of Q&A type stuff coming out of this session for sure.
So hold fast with me, we're going to go deep into this, and we will actually create space
for those questions and answers.
So write them down, don't write them in the comments now, I won't get to answer them now,
but you can just chuck them out there if you want, just to create discussion among one
another.
But let's explore this.
So what I'm saying to you, the point of what I'm saying to you is that sin never created
the separation between God and humanity, and this concept that sin produced separation
is an illusion.
Sin did not produce separation.
So here's my first king hit against that lie that sin produced separation, sin caused God
to initiate disconnection.
It was almost like people have put across this concept that the fall somehow wrecked
the trinity, that somehow after the fall the trinity stopped dancing, it's like they turned
off the fun music and the trinity was like, oh, now we're depressed.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
The sin caused humanity to fall, the sin caused humanity to stumble into darkness, didn't
cause the trinity to stumble into darkness, didn't cause the trinity to lose their life
and lose their joy.
No, the trinity was still pumped out, maxed out, blissed out, ecstasy filled and love
driven and love motivated even after the fall.
The trinity did not fall, the love of the trinity, BOOM, is still explosive and dynamic
and the trinity remained an unbroken cycle of divine love and bliss and delight even
after the fall.
It was humanity that ran into darkness, not the trinity.
You know, in fact, it's always us, it's always our issues, it's always our shame, our self-hatred,
our condemnation, our sense of, that actually drives us into isolation.
Even in Eden, right, even in Eden, Eden was called, like the whole area was called Eden,
it wasn't just the garden of Eden.
Remember, it's not the garden of Eden, it's the garden in Eden because the whole land
was called Eden, the whole land was the context of delight, the whole land was the context
of the trinity's bliss with humanity and delight in humanity.
And humanity left Eden, God didn't force humanity out of Eden, it was our own shame, it was
our own guilt, it was our own condemnation, our own self-hatred that drove us into isolation
and we packed up our bags and we got on our own horse and we were the ones that left.
If Eden, we left the context of delight, the Trinity did not force us from the land of delight.
The Trinity conceived us.
The Trinity conceived this notion of who we were to live in delight.
That was the desire of the Trinity always.
So the fall didn't cause the Trinity to fall, you know.
That's humanity's fall.
That's humanity stepping into shame and condemnation and isolation and disconnecting.
So here's my first biblical witness for this point that I'm making.
It's the Bible, the Old Testament all the way from Genesis through to John the Baptist.
Remember all I have to do to disprove this notion, this theory that sin caused this massive
disconnect between a holy God who could no longer connect with humanity until the cross
and somehow the cross pacified God and somehow the cross was the very thing that enabled
God to have relationship with humanity, enabled humanity to have relationship with God.
All I have to do to disprove this notion that sin produces separation is prove that
one person after the fall, before the cross, had intimacy, had connection with God.
Now let me think about this for a moment.
Maybe you guys can join me in this and help me out with this if I struggle.
So can you think of anyone in the Old Testament, did anyone in the entire Old Testament have
intimacy or connection with God?
Let's start with Enoch, Noah, Moses.
Maybe you know some other people right there that you can chuck up some names of some people
who had intimacy and connection with God after the fall that disproves this notion that sin
caused God to disconnect from humanity.
Yeah, there we go.
Moses, David, Abraham, Enoch, Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, Daniel, the list goes on and on.
David, Samuel.
Oh my gosh.
Isaiah, Deborah.
Yeah, Isaiah, he gets sucked up into heaven.
Samuel.
Isaiah gets sucked up into heaven for face to face.
Good stuff, guys.
You have, yeah, you have Elijah.
Elijah, he doesn't even die.
Enoch doesn't even die.
They just get taken into heaven to be the delight of the Father in heaven.
Yeah, Abraham, Moses, all of these ones.
These guys, Elijah and Enoch didn't even die.
Oh my gosh, the cross wasn't needed for intimacy, for connection, for separation as though the
cross was somehow to pacify a God who couldn't have a relationship with humanity anymore
as though there was this massive separation.
The separation never existed.
It never happened.
It never happened right from the beginning.
The very first guys, yeah, Job, all of these guys had extreme intimacy.
Moses, face to face with God.
Elijah and Enoch literally taken out of this realm to live in heaven with God forever.
Boom, before the cross.
Oh my gosh.
Sin did not cause a massive separation from God between God and humanity after the fall.
No, God was still outrageously in love with humanity and still dancing.
The trinity was still dancing.
They're still connecting, still loving on humanity.
Ruth, King David, yeah, so many of these people.
And there's more.
And the Old Testament has examples of some of the most extreme intimacy in the whole Bible.
More so than most modern Christians have.
The Old Testament is full of these just outrageous, outrageous accounts of radical intimacy and
face to face intimacy and heavenly encounters and divine encounters that do not endorse
the notion of separation at all.
Boom, we've got a whole lot of them.
Okay, so let me call my second witness.
My second witness is Jesus, right?
Jesus, Jesus came to reveal the Father.
We've looked at this one.
Yeah, good stuff, guys.
Good stuff.
Jesus came to reveal the Father, right?
So let me just pull this up.
I've got a little bit of some scripture here for you that I want to quote.
But Jesus came to reveal the Father, not change the Father.
So Hebrews 1 verse 3, hey, good stuff, guys.
Great quotes here.
Awesome quotes.
Deborah, Ruth, Esther.
The list just goes on and on and on with all these people that live with extreme intimacy
with the Trinity.
So listen to this.
Hebrews chapter 1 verse 3.
In the NIV translation it says, the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact
representation of His being.
In the NLT version it says, the Son radiates God's own glory and expresses the very character
of God.
The ESV says, He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of His nature.
In fact, there's not a single translation that disagrees with the concept that Jesus
Jesus is the exact representation of the Father.
Yep, Mary.
Now that's some extreme intimacy with God right there, Claire.
So what I want to do is I want to,
I just want to say Jesus reveals the Father, okay?
So if we have a belief about the Father
that is not endorsed by Jesus,
if it's not authenticated in the life of Jesus,
then it's not a valid belief to hold about the Father.
Jesus said, I and the Father are one.
If you've seen me, you've seen the Father.
Okay, so every belief that we have about the Father
has to be validated in the life of Christ.
It has to be authenticated in the life of Christ.
If we hold to this perspective
or this perception of who God is,
and it's not validated,
it's not authenticated in the life of Christ,
then we can go, oh, that's not a valid expression
of the nature and the character of God.
So then we take this concept of separation, okay?
This concept of separation,
that this concept that sin causes God
to separate and create disconnection.
So then we just have to ask,
okay, well, how did Jesus respond to sin?
Did Jesus cringe when he saw people in sin?
Did Jesus run away?
Did Jesus run up to them and beat sinners with sticks?
Did Jesus, did he express extreme wrath against sinners?
Yes, absolutely, clear, great word.
Jesus is the blueprint of our original divine design,
and he's also the exact revelation of the Father.
So Jesus is showing right here
that actually the nature of God,
the divine nature of God,
is not to disconnect from sinful humanity.
It's actually to run to us in our darkness,
just like the Father did after the fall.
He came in love and gentleness and kindness and delight,
looking for Adam and Eve.
While they were hiding in the bushes,
the Father came gently to them and was like,
hey, where are you?
He's wanting to include them back in the divine dance.
Jesus is coming just in the same way
that the Father came to Adam and Eve
in the bushes in their shame.
Jesus is coming to humanity,
and he's just embracing sinful humanity.
And just like someone mentioned before,
he was happy to be carried in the womb of Mary.
Oh my gosh, if he had a real major issue with sin,
there's no way that he could have been
actually living in Mary as a sinful human.
Oh my gosh, no way.
No, so this concept that sin causes separation
between God and humanity is and was
and has always been an illusion.
Now let me get to my third biblical witness, all right?
My third biblical witness of why this concept
of separation because of sin is an illusion.
Now this comes from Acts chapter 17, verses 27 to 28,
which I have used a number of times before
because it's so critical in our understanding of the gospel
because Paul preached the gospel
in the complete opposite way
to how mainstream Christianity preaches the gospel now.
And that's why mainstream gospels now
mass-produce spiritual orphans,
whereas Paul was raising up spiritual sons.
So the root issue here, let's just jump into it.
Let's jump into it.
And actually, so to contrast the gospel nowadays,
mainstream people articulate the gospel
and preach the gospel like this.
Thanks, Stephanie.
They preach the gospel as a declaration
of inadequacy and separation,
of humanity's inadequacy and separation from God.
That's how they started out.
You're a sinner and you're separate from God,
but it's okay, Jesus came to fix the fact
that you're a sinner and that you're separated from God.
On the cross, he sorted out all that separation
so that you could have connection with God.
Actually, that was never the issue, remember?
A misdiagnosis leads to a faulty treatment,
which means then we misperceive the whole purpose
of the cross, thinking that the cross
is about trying to deal with separation
and it was never actually an issue.
Oh my gosh, so we actually get a wrong perspective,
a false understanding, a misperception
of what the cross is all about.
And then we miss out on the greatest revelation
of the love of the Father that there ever has been.
So the mainstream modern articulation of the gospel
is a declaration like, hey, you right there, right now,
because you don't believe, because you haven't done,
haven't performed the ritual that we have declared,
that ritual that's prescribed in order to join our group,
because you haven't done that ritual, prayed that prayer,
performed the way that we said you needed to perform,
run through the hoops that we say
you've gotta jump through and run through,
because you haven't done that, you're not in,
which means you are a sinner,
and because you're a sinner, you're separate from God.
Okay, so that's.
It's a declaration of inadequacy, it's a declaration of a false identity, it's a
declaration of separation. And so when we found people's lives on a declaration
of inadequacy and separation, it mass-produces spiritual orphans. And Paul
never preached the gospel like this. So Paul said at 17, 27 to 28, that in fact
God is near to us all. In him we live and move and have our being. In him we live
and move and have our being. So he's preaching to unrepentant, pre-believing,
demon-loving, blood-sacrificing Athenians who've never heard the gospel before.
They've never heard the gospel before and this is how he preaches to them. So
for example that could be someone in your world who's never heard the
gospel. That could be for example in your world someone who you think is, man
that person couldn't get any further away from God if they tried. That person
that person is really really far from God. Oh my gosh. So what he's saying is
no matter who you think is really really far from God, Paul says in Acts 17, verse
27, 28, in fact God is near to us all. In him we live and move and have our being.
In fact as some of us, your own poets have said, we are his own children or we
are his offspring. Wow. Oh my gosh. So there's my third point of how sin and
separation is a total illusion. So I want to get into, how about I just play devil's
advocate for a little bit here. Now why don't you throw some opposition at that.
What biblical opposition can you get to that? If I've said okay sin and
separation, that's a total, separation is an illusion. So when you throw out you're
like, but what about this scripture? This scripture says sin separates us. What
about this? Hey thanks guys for the love. Appreciate that. So why don't you, let me
play devil's advocate for a little bit. Why don't you throw some some things
that you're like, oh no I got trained in church. This, this and this. So that can't
be true. What are some of the foundational scriptures that you think
endorse separation? Let's have a few, shout out a few there that you
think, no, no way. God must abandon us. God must be separate from us. Let's chuck
out a few, a few thoughts there. Who's got some stuff? Who's got some verses, some
scriptures that would indicate no, sin separates us. When Jesus said on the
cross, why have you forsaken me? Okay that is brilliant. Yeah, let's, we'll check that
one out. Good question. Yeah, great stuff. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Okay, so boom, we'll totally get into, we'll totally get into that one. Any,
anything else? A lake on fire? Yeah, that's, yep, that's kind of post-death.
We're just dealing with the living for now, but good question, good point Hayden.
Okay, so we've got my God, my God, why have you forsaken me in Psalm 22 and I'll
also chuck in another one as well. Your sins have separated you from your God.
You might, you might know that one. Okay, so let's start, let's start with Isaiah
59. That's where it says your sins have separated you from your God. That's a
quote from Isaiah 59 verse 2 and we'll deal with Isaiah 59 and then we'll jump
into Psalm 22. Isaiah 59 2 says, but your iniquities have separated you from your
God. Your sins have hidden his face from you so that he will not hear. Okay, so
that sounds, okay, good stuff, good stuff guys. Good, good things going up there.
We've got our two points that we're going to explore. So Isaiah 59 verse 2, but your
iniquities have separated you from your God. Now the rest of, like Isaiah, it goes
on to list these horrendous sins. Hey, it goes on to list all these
terrible sins that Israel's performed. It's really, really wicked, really, really
evil stuff. They are really dark and then he goes on to say after all that
dark stuff and after God saying your sins have separated you from your God, it
lands in Isaiah 59 21 where God says this, as for me this is my covenant with
them, says the Lord. My spirit who is on you will not depart from you and my
words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of
your children, on the lips of their descendants from this time on and
forever, says the Lord. So here we go. In the very same chapter that says your sins
have separated you from me, he goes on then and clarifies and says actually,
yeah, good, good quotes coming out guys, actually, even though he's saying it
looks like your sins have separated you from me or it looks like sin has
produced death,
and disconnection and separation. God then goes on to say to the very same
people he says, as for me this is my covenant with you says the Lord my
spirit who is on you will not depart from you and my words I've put in your
mouth will not depart from your lips. So he's saying actually it might look like
you're separated, might feel like you're separated, but the truth is you're not
actually separated. Let me say that sin does separate in the sense that sin
blinds our eyes to truth, sin hardens our hearts to truth, sin deafens our ears to
truth. So if we are going to be engaged in sin our eyes will be blind, our hearts
will harden, our ears will deafen. So sin will actually cause us
to disconnect and us to initiate separation and us to walk away from God
and sin will also produce in us this sense of shame and condemnation that
leads us to isolation just like Adam and Eve. But sin does not cause God to
disconnect from us and run away from us and no longer have intimacy with us. In
fact Isaiah 59 then transitions into Isaiah 60 which says to these very
same people who've been living in sin God says this, arise and shine for your
light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. Totally. So I hope
that's helpful on Isaiah 59, your sins have separated you from your God. Those
very same people that he said your sins have separated you from me he actually
says at the same time but my spirit is on you and will not depart from you. So
we are now going to jump into Psalm 22 okay and the statement that
Jesus says Eloi Eloi lama sabachthanei my God my God why have you forsaken me.
So let's read from Matthew 27. Yeah totally sin definitely hardens our heart
and blinds our eyes and deafens our ears and sin
becomes a massive cause of separation and since that sin drives us from God
just like sin drove Adam and Eve out of Eden it drives us out of the Father's
delight because we're so covered in shame we're so covered in self-hatred
and inadequacy that we get driven out from the garden. So let's let's check
this out in Matthew 27 verse 32. Read along with me if you want. As they were
going out they met a man from Cyrene named Simon and they forced him to carry
the cross. They came to a place called Golgotha which means the place of the
skull. There they offered Jesus wine to drink mixed with gall but after tasting
it he refused to drink it. When they had crucified him they divided up his clothes
by casting lots and sitting down they kept watch over him above his head they
placed the written charge against him this is Jesus the King of the Jews. Two
rebels were crucified with him one on his right and one on his left. Those who
passed by hurled insults at him shaking their heads and saying you who are going
to destroy the temple and build it in three days save yourself come down from
the cross if you are the Son of God. In the same way the chief priests the
teachers of the law and the elders mocked him he saved others they said but
he can't save himself he's the King of Israel let him come down now from the
cross and we will believe in him. He trusts in God let God rescue him now if
he wants him for he said I am the Son of God. In the same way the rebels who were
with him also heaped insults on him. From noon until three in the afternoon
darkness came over the land about three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a
loud voice Eli Eli lamasa baktane or my God my God why have you forsaken me
dun dun dun good good comments coming out there guys my God my God why have
you forsaken me and if you look at the Gospel of John it goes on to say and the
last thing Jesus says is it is finished. Okay so what I want us to do now is I
want us just to explore this concept a little bit more and and understand how
Jesus is not actually talking about separation. Remember we looked at this
before in Jesus Reveals the Father. The Father is the hand and Jesus is the
glove over the top of the hand. Jesus said if you've seen me you've seen the
Father. Jesus prophesied about the cross he said others are going to abandon me
but the Father is not going to abandon me. Okay so let's get ready. So Jesus
while he's on the cross and he says my God my God why have you forsaken me and
at the end he says it is finished. That line Eli Eli lamasa baktane is
the very first line in Psalm 22. Now Psalm 22 is the very it is the
Messianic text in the whole Bible. There's no other section of scripture that captures the
Crucifixion more significantly more profoundly more powerfully than Psalm 22 and it was considered a messianic
Scripture. Hey guys great to have people jumping on board as well
It was considered a messianic scripture. So
So that meant it was one of the most read Psalms. It was one of the most sung Psalms
So basically everyone who was there, especially all the all the religious
Aristocracy who was surrounding Jesus at the cross. They all knew Psalm 22 off by heart
It was one of the most think of it as like one of the most famous songs of the day a song that you sing
All the time a song that's like a melody and it's in their heads
They know it
So if you if you were to sing the first line of a song now in church people instantly go. Oh, yeah
I know that one Jesus
lover of my soul
And people might think oh, yeah
Jesus I will never let you go
Okay, you've taken me from the miry clay
Okay, so people kind of can get that association
Well think of it like that Jesus is quoting one of the most famous songs of the day in Psalm 22 verse 1
Eloy, Eloy, Lamas abachthani. My God my God. Why have you forsaken me?
Now hit the point of what he's trying to articulate is not my God my God. Why have you forsaken me?
He's trying to articulate Psalm 22 everyone. I want you to get Psalm 22 in your head
He's directing all of their attention on to Psalm 22. So every person that's there they know this son
They know this line. So now all of a sudden their attention they're standing at the cross. They're looking at Jesus hanging on the cross
There's guys there's guys, you know rolling dice for Jesus clothing. There's all these things happening around the cross
They're standing in a circle around it. And now all of a sudden they're all starting to think about Psalm 22
Okay, so we're gonna get jump into that and think about what Psalm 22 what it says, but at the same time
Psalm 22 Eloy, Eloy, Lamas abachthani. It captures this feeling of
Separation so Jesus to the degree that he could experience
Separation to the degree that we could feel disconnected and we could feel far from God
Jesus embraced the fullness of that to the degree that you can feel like I feel so separate from God
I believe that Jesus fully experienced that on the cross in the sense of the feeling but Jesus also does something
Amazing, which he's actually teaching us and training us how to deal with your feelings of separation how to deal with your feelings of disconnection
How to deal with your feelings of abandonment. I feel so alone. I feel so disconnected. I feel so far from God
I feel like ah and we have all these raging feelings
But Jesus actually trains us simultaneously how to deal with your sense of separation and disconnection
So we're gonna jump into Psalm 22. I think you're gonna love this. It is so powerful
so
It starts out like this Jesus feeling the sense of separation. Remember
Jesus isn't alone in this the father is the hand inside the glove
One Corinthians chapter 5 it says but God was in
Christ as though the Trinity was dancing together on the cross
Jesus said I and the father are one so the father is actually with him on the cross
The Trinity didn't separate after the fall and the Trinity didn't separate at the cross
Everything they do they do together. Jesus said I and the father are one
Everything you see I said, I don't I only do what I see the father doing if you've seen me
You've seen the father so we've got to understand that it's not Jesus
They're alone trying to pacify a wrathful God on the cross receiving the father's punishment
No, the Trinity are dancing together on the cross to produce the greatest revelation of the father in world history
So let's go jump in there get ourselves into Psalm 22. It starts like this my God my God
Why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me so far from my cries of anguish now?
We can relate to that sense of disconnection that sense of distance between God
And but then it goes on Jesus is teaching us how to deal with our feelings my God
I cry out by day, but you do not answer by night, but I find no rest. These feelings are serious big
Feelings it's massive yet. You are enthroned as the Holy One
You are the one
Israel praises
in you our
Ancestors put their trust they trusted and you deliver them to you
They cried out and were saved and you they trusted and were not put to shame
So this is massive right here. You're feeling separated. You're feeling distant. You're feeling disconnection and you're feeling abandonment. You're feeling lonely
Well, what's the key Jesus is giving us the key?
To overcome all that right now. He's giving us a key of sonship. It's actually trust
You just got to trust you got to hold fast in that and you've got to embrace the truth
Then you're going to tell your feelings that truth because when you feel separated if you if you let those feelings control you use get
Darker and darker and darker you'll go deeper and deeper into condemnation. You'll go deeper into shame deeper into isolation deeper into disconnection
But he's saying trust is the key actually telling your feelings the truth
Tell your feelings the truth tell your feelings that true you got to tell your feelings the truth
That's what trust looks like
So when you tell your feelings the truth
You actually start to overcome your feelings you start to live above your feelings you start to rule and reign over your feelings through trust
So it carries on yet
You are enthroned as the Holy One
You are the one Israel praises and your ancestors put their trust and they trusted in you and you delivered them to you
They cried out and was saved and you they trusted and were not put to shame
So that the tempo is starting to change
slightly
Changing it up a little bit
But you brought me out of oh, sorry
Then he says but I am a worm and not a man
Scorned by everyone despised by the people all who see me mock me. They hurl insults shaking their heads
He trusts in the Lord
They say let the Lord rescue him let him deliver him since he delights in him
And if you don't remember that hey good word, by the way, Alicia
They've got to declare that tell yourself the truth speak it up
And if you remember that is actually a direct quote from what they were saying
Around the cross what the religious Pharisees and Sadducees and aristocracy they were all saying
Oh, he trusts in the Lord that the Lord deliver him
He trusts in the Lord that the Lord deliver him and so this is actually now a direct quote
So when they when Jesus has brought their attention on to Psalm 22 as their attention shifts to Psalm 22
They're seeing Psalm 2 completely playing out right in front of their eyes
Even to the point where Psalm 22 gives a direct exact word-for-word
Quote of what one of these leaders has just said around the cross
It it's like oh my gosh, you couldn't get more pinpoint accurate prophetic stuff than this
Yet you brought me out of the womb you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast from birth
I was cast on you from my mother's womb. You have been my God
Do not be far from me for trouble is near and there is no one to help
So he's still trusting in him and he says many bulls surround me strong bulls of bastion
Encircle me and he's got that Jesus isn't circled by all these bullies by all these people who bring oppression
Roaring lions that tear their prey open their mouths wide against me
I am poured out like water. My heart has turned to wax. It is melted within me
My mouth is dried up like a potsuit and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth
You lay me in the dust of death. So Psalm 22 is totally capturing exactly where they're at
It carries on dogs surround me again or dogs encircle me a pack of villains
Encircles me they pierce my hands and my feet. Oh my gosh
Could you get more specific more precise than that? They pierce my hands and my feet
People stare and gloat over me. So he's naked there and they're like, well, they're staring they're gloating
They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garments. Oh my gosh
This couldn't be any more specific
This is about Jesus on the cross and he's getting them to bring their attention on to the fact that he's not saying my god
My god, why be forsaken me?
He's directing their attention to the greatest
Messianic Psalm the made it greatest messianic scripture in the whole Bible so that they will know that he is the Son of God so that
They will know that everything he said about the father is true that they will know that he is the greatest
Revelation of the father and this moment this point in history right now is the greatest revelation of the father in world history
Huh Wow, so
But you Lord do not be far from me
You are my strength come quickly to help me deliver me from the sword my precious life from the power of the dogs
Rescue me from the mouth of lions save me from the horns of the wild oxen
You can see the tempo has changed here. Jesus starts with he's he's overcome by all the feelings just like we are
But then he steps into trust. He starts declaring the truth
He starts declaring the Word of God and the tempo is changing. It's changing. It's changing
And so I will declare your name to my people in this assembly
I will praise him you who fear the Lord praise him all you descendants of Jacob honor him revere him all you descendants of
Israel yes, and Psalm 22 is the absolute kicker. This is massive
It just blows separation out of the park. This is what Jesus is saying from the cross to all
humanity for all time. Verse 24, He has not despised or scorned the
suffering of the afflicted one. He has not hidden His face from Him but has
listened to His cry for help. He didn't despise the suffering. He didn't abandon
the Son on the cross. The Trinity were one on the cross. They were dancing on
the cross. They were dancing on the cross. The Father was in Christ
reconciling the cosmos to Himself. Okay, from you comes the theme of my praise in
the great assembly. Before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows. The poor
will eat and be satisfied. Thanks guys. Awesome comments. Love the feedback. Love
the bouncing and interaction that's going on. Keep putting those posts up.
They're amazing. All the ends of the earth will remember. Sorry, from you
comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly. Before those who fear you
I will fulfill my vows. The poor will eat and be satisfied. Those who seek the Lord
I will praise Him. May your hearts live forever. And now it gets like even more
excited. Now it gets even more glorious. Now it gets even more victorious. All the
ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. He's prophesying global
revival now. He's off the charts. This is the statement that Jesus is making on
the cross. This is what He wants everyone to hear. Everyone to see. Everyone to know
from the cross. He wants us to hear this revelation. This is what the cross is
declaring. All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. And
all the families of the nations will bow down before Him. Wow. For dominion
belongs to the Lord and He rules over the nations. Come on. This is not the
sound of someone who's beat down. This is victorious. This is infused with dominion.
This is the sound of sonship. This is the sound of victory. This is the sound of
heaven. For dominion belongs to the Lord and He rules over the nations. All the
rich of the earth will feast and worship. All those who go down to the
dust will kneel before Him. Those who cannot keep themselves alive. Posterity
will serve Him. Future generations will be told about the Lord. They will
proclaim His righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn, He has done it. Or
some translations say it is finished. So on the cross you have Jesus
He declares, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? The first line of Psalm 22
and in the Gospel of John he says, it is finished, which is the last line of Psalm
22. And everything in between those two declarations articulates perfectly
exactly what's happening at the cross. And yeah, that's a good question, Alicia.
Some good questions. So that is just massive. I hope that you have enjoyed
that and I'm hoping this is even raising some more questions, some more thoughts,
some more dialogue. How about while you're there with me now, just before we
wrap up, how about you chuck down in the comments, how about you chuck down a
couple of questions. What type of questions are coming up from people? I'd
love your questions as I'm getting into this concept that separation is an
illusion. I'd love to hear your comments on that. And while as you're
chucking those up, just think about this. Paul's declaration of the Gospel to us
is not, God is not far from anyone. In fact, in Him we live and move and have
our being. And so that's the truth for you right now. You're not separate. You're
never distant. The Father never abandons you. He never separates you.
Your sin hasn't caused Him to turn His face from you. It hasn't caused Him to
run away from you. You are as one, as one can be. You are as in, as in can be.
You are as loved, as love can be. You are as son, as a son can be. So what we can
learn from this one real good takeaway is the power of trust. That when you feel
separated, when you feel disconnected, when you feel isolated, we have got to
tell our feelings the truth. We are not, you say, I am in Him. In Him I live and
move and have my being. I'm as one, as one can be. I'm as in, as in can be. I'm as son,
as a son can be. I'm as loved, as love can be. So, boom. I hope that is valuable.
Let's have some questions. Oh, biggest question is the church has wasted
decades being a bad doctor. Well, actually decades is the wrong word. It's centuries.
As I've studied theology throughout church history, this is like, you've got
1,500 years at least of misdiagnosis and faulty treatments and the result is like
a global orphanage. The result is a massive outpouring of orphanology and a
viral outbreak of orphans. The mass production of spiritual orphans and
that's why you haven't seen a massive outbreak of sonship. Because of these
misdiagnosis and faulty treatments. Good stuff guys. Hey, great comments. How about
some questions? If you've got any questions...
questions going. Even if you're watching this in like delayed coverage, why don't
you put down some of the questions that are being stirred up in you, some of the
thoughts you've been having, some of the processing that's going through, and I've
got a... how do we get our stupid feelings out of the way so we can start
truly living? Great question Alicia! Great question and feel free to start having
discussion, answering some of these questions as well. What do you think is
the solution? How do we start telling our feelings the truth? That's a great
that's a great question Alicia. Now I've got a I've got a handout here, okay? Now
this is not just this is not just any old regular handout, this is that behind
the veil stuff right here. This right here is behind the veil in the sense
that this is some of the text, some of the draft from the next book, my next book
Back to Eden the Bliss of Sonship. I don't really haven't actually till this
day I haven't actually made this public. I haven't given this out to anyone. It's
still kind of in it's still behind the veil in a sense, but this section here
this is a chapter on misdiagnosis and faulty treatment which is really really
powerful. Tons of scriptures, lots of really really good content in here and
I'm willing to... oh yeah here's a good question. How do we change this in our
churches? Oh great question Claire. Really really good question. Let's have
discussion around some of those things. Let's get deeper into it. So but this I'm
willing to give away this kind of behind the veil chapter in my next book Back to
Eden the Bliss of Sonship, but this is kind of like for me this is pretty
vulnerable. This is like really high value. So yeah good questions. Well Joe
yeah how do we change that? Let's let's engage in some of discussion around that
as we go, but I want to make this available to people, but I want to make
this available for really really hungry people. So if you're really hungry, if
you're really really hungry and and you want a copy of this behind the veil
stuff then basically what I'd like you to do is I would like you to do a 60
second live in the group. If you do a 60 second live in the group and just just
share something that's of value or a little or a little testimony something
you're getting some value from and in that also put your email address. I will
shoot a copy of this to all the people who do a live a live testimony and also
include the email address. So if you haven't done a live or even if you have
done live do another live and those are people that do another live and put
the email address in. I will shoot a copy of this misdiagnosis and faulty
treatment as a chapter part of a chapter it's draft form but it is really
really juicy stuff and I'll let you have that for free but it's like I said it's
vulnerable it's have people come in behind a really behind before I've
launched the book. So if you want some of that then chuck a live up. Now one thing
about the lives is that the lives do not go live on Facebook they're just for the
group okay. Whenever you do a Facebook live in this group it's only the people
in the group can see it so you're not going out to the whole world of Facebook
it's just going out to your group. Now the easy way to do a live is when you're
in the group and you a place where you can put a post you'll see a little video
camera and that video little video camera it has the option to press live
and what you can do is you can click that button just go just click live and
then you can turn your phone around and film yourself or you can even switch
your phone around so you can see see yourself there on the screen just do a
60-second live tell us a little bit about that but hope you guys are doing
great love you very much love getting the comments the connection and can't
wait to journey with you more. I'm also going to announce this week and create
the invitation for those who want to go through into the full 12 weeks School of
Sonship okay now that's going to be exciting and I can't wait to share with
you about the full School of Sonship that's coming out but lots of love have
a great day and we'll catch you real soon once again hit some of those lives
up and hit some of your questions up I'm going to read all those questions so
it's going to help me just make a decision I might do a live Q&A and if I
get a bunch of questions there then I will I will do that I will actually I
might consider actually just doing a bonus Q&A session so yeah sweet love you
heaps and we'll catch you soon boom I'll answer some of those questions we'll
create some of those discussions and we'll get into this journey a little bit
more love you guys see you