All right.
Hey, what's going on.
Hey,
happy Tuesday, hopefully everyone well in the US had a good Memorial Day.
Sorry guys I got stuff buzzing and ringing.
So popular.
Okay.
So we're gonna kick it off with maybe two to three wins, and then we'll pray and then we'll jump right in. Does anyone have a win that they want to share.
But this week. Go ahead, Marion, you can unmute yourself. It's not just this week but a while back I asked for help with my Instagram because I really wasn't doing too well with it.
And ever since then it's just shot up.
I don't think it's just me I think it's the prayers as well.
It went from, from I think 60 to 160. Wow, really good and I'm so impressed. So awesome. Thank you everybody.
That is so cool.
Anyone else we got room for maybe one two more.
Then we'll pray.
No one knows.
Okay.
She is better.
Yes, I was just gonna say thank you everyone for your prayers start covering but I'm definitely much better than I was, and also Hannah is basically back to normal she bounced back really quick so we're thankful for that.
Yay.
All right, so I don't see any other hand so I'm gonna just jump in and pray and we'll get going. So father we thank you so much for bringing us here together Lord just to be built up again and be edified and get clarity and just all the different things
that we're looking for God as we continue on with the mission of God as we continue on with the message that you've given us Lord. So I pray that Lord, even in this crazy world where there's so much darkness, that we will remain thinking on things
that are lovely things that are good report things that are praiseworthy Oh God, that we will focus in on those things Oh God, that we will be aware.
Oh God of the enemy's tactics Oh God and we will cast down and we won't even pay him any attention actually, but we will press forward Oh God, with the message that you've given us.
Lord so we just bless everyone here everyone that will watch on the replay, we were, we bless Bruce and both Lindsay, as they shared during this time, and we just welcome you in Holy Spirit in Jesus name we pray, amen and amen.
Awesome guys it's good to hang out with you it's good to have Lindsay back with us here. And so we had a couple quick things. We just wanted to share with you guys, and then we'll jump into questions we don't have anyone that has submitted any questions
ahead of time so if you guys have something you can, you know, raise your zoom hand and we'll, we'll go through it.
So one thing is you guys hopefully got an email to get access to the roadmap 2.0.
We did update that a couple weeks back and it's just taken a while to get everything just exactly where it needs to be on King messenger but we did Lisa yesterday.
And as we add new training. You guys are going to kind of see the training here first because you're in members so you'll kind of see it live or you'll see it in the Facebook group but it is also going to get archived over into the roadmap.
So if you're wanting to go into any of those topics or you're still like maybe you haven't looked at it in a while, definitely go back and check it out we've we've revamped it as far as the order, we have tick tock and short form content happening
first, we talked a lot about the origin story and then how to use Facebook ads to promote that. And then we've got another a bunch of other great kind of modules after that that help you integrate the long form content so that's there.
You guys all got that, you know, just for free because you're our favorite people in the first.
I'm just kidding, you guys are all favorite.
And so that's there and then if you guys have any trouble you can always email us if you can't get in to the site or don't have access or whatever but hopefully it's all good.
And the other thing is that we were just talking I'd love to get just kind of a sense from you guys.
We're thinking like how to use like the these Tuesday calls even better. And we haven't done a lot of like consistent training like new training with with you guys we're doing a masterclass here or there, but we were thinking, want to see what you guys
think about maybe doing like every other week on a Tuesday doing a little bit more of like a
a 30, 40 minute training and then doing some Q and A after that, um, on a particular topic and then
other weeks just doing straight Q and A. So I don't know if you have any thoughts or feedback
or what would be the most helpful for you guys? Good. Thumbs up from Ben. Awesome. All good. Okay.
So we'll, we'll try that. We'd love to, um, you know, there's, there's a number of topics, um,
as we're talking to you guys and having, um, interaction, we're finding there's specific
topics for like, oh, we could go create a video for that. Um, so if you guys have anything that
you're like, man, I'm always being confused about this part of anchor or something that's more than
just like something we can solve in a 10, five, 10 minute answer on a Q and A, maybe we can take
a whole session if you, and cause if we know what that question is and we can take some time to
sort of prepare a better training on it, we can put something really cool together that I think
will help everyone. Um, so if you guys have that, you can either email it, you can drop a note,
tag me in Facebook group. You can talk about it on this call. Now, if you want,
we'd love to, um, have you guys, um, part of that, because I think this group,
majority of the people, there's a few that aren't, but we're going to be, we're kind of
running in this format until September, which is where everybody's like that kind of everything
resets. Cause if you joined back in like January of 2021, we just kept like extending your
membership out, um, you know, all the way through to September of this year. So,
um, we'll have some cool things. We're not going to like close, you know, everything down,
but we've got some cool things planned for that, um, to really simplify things, I think a little
bit more, but so that that's all our stuff. I don't know, Lindsay, if you wanted to add anything
to that, any of that or not. Um, Oh, she may not be there. So, okay, cool. Um, well let's jump in.
I see Xavier's got his hand raised. So we'll jump into some, some questions.
Well, I was just, I was just going to comment on what you just said, which I think is a,
is a really great idea because I've probably spent more time lurking in the shadows because
I'm working during the calls or whatnot. And so I'm always listening and picking up stuff,
but I think to let the every other week format, as you've kind of mentioned, I think that would
be good to put structure to it because it continues to propel us forward, you know,
and so that we can, we can kind of grow into stuff that we might not even realize yet.
So I just wanted to say, I'm all for that. Awesome. Um, and we are like, like we did,
we're getting back into doing some tech Tuesdays. So hopefully you guys got the email this morning.
Um, so these are just different, again, these are some of the questions that are coming up,
even in some of the, um, just even one-on-ones that we're having with some of you guys.
And as we're launching tribe, um, that has been helpful to hear, like where, where there's some
gaps that we're able to make some tutorials, but between that you can definitely do some,
like more, um, in-depth training, but yeah, I see, uh, Ben had his hand raised.
Yeah, I just wanted to say, I liked the idea a lot. I think that's great. Um, you know,
questions obviously is awesome to have, but some training, um, and some topics sounds like a very
cool idea. Yeah. Thank you. Awesome. Um, and then I have a question when you say September,
everything resets, what does that mean or how does it continue? Will we have still access to the,
um, to the portal or, you know, what? Yeah. So, so the King messenger TV, I think, um, everybody
on this group has that for life. So you guys have it. That's not, none of that would go away. Um,
we're just, we don't have a specific plan for it yet. We're going to kind of rethink some of the
formats of how do we make the most of these calls? Like we're experimenting with this one week on
one week off for the, um, training and then coaching and kind of flip-flopping maybe a good
way to try it out. Um, but yeah, we'll we're, we're continuing to do what we're doing. That's
not going to, no, we're not going anywhere in September, but, um, so that's, that's that. Um,
but we'll have, we'll definitely have a lot more and you guys will be the first to know as soon as
we have a plan. Right. So we won't, we won't leave you guys hanging. That's good to hear. I was
already a little bit scared, you know, kind of miss you guys. Awesome. Um, yeah, but that point,
some of you guys will have been with us for like 20 months, I think. Is that right? Yeah. Because
it was like January all the way through January, 2021, all the way to September. So there's a few
of you guys still still in here. Is anyone on the call who was in the January group? I'm I know I
have it written down somewhere, but I didn't know if anyone was. And okay. Oh, Marcello,
you were in the, I'm not sure. I guess. Yes, but I probably, okay. Marcello was, there you go.
And she's still, she still likes hanging out with us. So I guess we're doing something right.
You're doing an amazing job.
She keeps showing up, so awesome.
And then, yeah, Denise, I saw your hand raised.
Yeah, thanks.
Yeah, that sounds great.
Look forward to the training every other week.
And I was wondering too about what happens,
yeah, in September.
So that's good.
I'm glad that someone asked that and that we're all.
What I was wondering,
I just had a couple of questions just on technical stuff.
So when you get ready for that.
Yeah, go for it.
Jump in, yeah.
So when I post on my anchor and like I'm still,
we're still having a lot of life issues come up.
So we haven't had a lot of time to work on this,
but when you post, it says, do you want to boost this?
And then it says, do you want to do a poll?
So what does that exactly mean?
On Facebook?
On anchor.
I'm gonna pull it up right now.
It asks me when I post, do you want to boost this?
And do you want to do a poll?
I have, let me see if I can pull that up.
Let's see.
And I think it says,
do you want to ask a specific question?
So I'm just kind of curious what that is.
Yeah, so boosting I'm familiar with on Face.
I'm just gonna do a quick test here on one of these account.
So when you schedule something,
I'm just gonna pretend this is going out tomorrow.
Oh yeah, yeah, let me share my screen.
I see what you're talking about.
This add a poll.
So this is just for Spotify.
So if you're listening on Spotify,
then there's some other little functionality.
So you see this as only.
Okay.
So I'm just gonna do that.
So, yes.
And then how would you do a poll or ask a question?
Would that even be worth doing on Spotify?
So you could, I mean, if you had a question,
I wouldn't, we've never used this.
I wouldn't really worry about it.
I would say like a very small percentage of your users
are gonna be on Spotify here.
So I wouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about that.
I would put them in the show notes,
which is like your episode description.
So you could say,
you could list out some notes or whatever.
We've never really used polls
other than in a Facebook group,
but you definitely could.
I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't use it here,
but we do typically fill all this stuff out as always.
But, and I think when you hit schedule,
is this what you're talking about?
Where it says like, do you wanna share it?
Yeah, yeah.
So that's just taking like the links.
If I copied this link, for example,
or let's say I wanted to share it on Facebook,
this just takes a link to that episode
and lets me share it on Facebook.
And when people click on it,
they'll actually go to a link that looks like this,
which just takes you basically to the posture page.
So it's probably good to do that on your Facebook page
that's connected to your podcast, right?
As well as your personal.
So if you don't have the,
so the best thing to do is to upload the videos
directly to Facebook, directly,
and then let people watch it on Facebook.
So we don't really do a lot of cross posting
other than when you're on TikTok,
you do wanna let people go back to YouTube
for like different types,
like the full version of content.
But really it's like people on Anchor
are gonna go listen on Anchor and all the podcast side,
people on Facebook are gonna listen on Facebook.
So you can definitely share a link to it.
If you're like, hey, our podcast is live,
a new podcast episode is live,
you can definitely use the share link.
It's not, there's nothing wrong with that.
But if you can, if you do have video,
then I would upload the video.
But if it's just audio,
then I would just share the link to this here.
Okay, great, thank you.
And you can always come back to these,
like these are the old episodes here.
You can click this little share button
and just share this episode here.
So if I took this link, for example,
and then went over to Facebook here.
And share it.
Yeah, if I just put this in here,
you'll see like when I paste the link,
it'll build a little thing for it down here,
like with the image and the text and all that stuff.
And so if you wanna be really fancy, you can, yes.
Go ahead.
If you wanna show people
that you really know what you're doing
is you can just paste the link like I just did there.
And then you can delete the link
because this whole box is a link.
So you don't need to have the link in there.
then you can just write your text and it's just nice and clean.
Oh, I like that. I like that. Yeah. And that's, this is one way to,
cause I was wondering how you get, start getting conversations going and create a place where they
can ask questions and they do it through your Facebook page. But part of that is you have to
refer them there and let them know you have a Facebook page. And so it would make sense that
you would just put the link there and upload that. Yeah. Just a link. And, and, you know,
people are going to, podcasts are a little bit different. Like people are going to watch them.
I'm trying to see if there's like a, Oh yeah. See here. Like I said, 10%. So it's like 33%
on Spotify, at least for Lindsey and then other. So most people are listening on Apple podcasts,
but you do want to let people know that there is an Apple podcast. So when they go to this page,
there's like a little link down here, which takes people right to Apple. And if they click on that,
see now it goes to apple.com and there's my, my whole app and yours has all this,
like it has all this built out for you. Okay. So when you go back one, so that page,
was that your anchor? This is your anchor thing. Okay. Cause I don't think I have that
where to listen thing. Do you have to put that in? Have you, if you go to your settings and go
podcast availability, there should be like some different settings set up here.
Okay. Yeah. It should be there. Okay. Well I'm on it. I'm on iTunes. I'm on.
It should create that link, I believe for you automatically. There's really not a whole lot
you can do to change stuff and anchor as far as the settings go. So let me just look on my
dashboard. I think it is there, but I'm just not, I just don't remember being there. Okay.
Yeah. That's helpful. Yeah. So I'm looking at it here. It's coming up.
It looks like it's, I don't, yeah, I don't have that under mine, so I'm not sure why.
Can you send, just drop the link here to your, let's just see.
Oh, Leanne was asking for anchor as well. I'll just answer that. Yeah. If you have the video,
you definitely can upload that to anchor. We have not tried it yet. And again, all that's
going to happen is people are going to watch, be able to watch it on Spotify. So it's, again,
anchor is built by Spotify. So they're doing a bunch of interesting things just for Spotify.
We typically just use it as a free way to distribute video. So that's good.
Bruce, those were to listen, that's on your public site. So if you're on your dashboard,
you may not see it. You need to click. Right. That's why I was going to just see if I could
grab the link. Yeah. What you would want to do is in your, go to the top here. I think,
sorry, dashboard. Let me get out of this. There's a public site right here.
Oh, so if you click, if you're, if you're signed in and you can see your podcast and you see this
like public site, if you click on that, it should take you to this page.
I'm sorry. I do want to share your screen. Oh, sorry. I was like, I thought I was sharing my
screen. That's why I was pointing to things, but yeah, right here. If you just sign in and you
click public site, that'll take you to this version. This is what everybody else can see.
I'm only you can see this version. Oh, okay. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. I didn't realize that was
different, but other people can see what I can see. Thank you. So I'm going to my public site
and then it is saying, listen on Spotify. It says message and listen on Spotify,
but it doesn't have those choices like these down here. I might have to see it. I don't know if you
can share your screen. I'd have to see it. Yes, I can share my screen. I'm sorry. I'm taking so
much time up here. Should be done. Okay. Yes, I can share it. Yeah. And Leanne was like for the,
for the videos. Yeah. They will just only be on Spotify from what we can see.
So it's just Spotify is not a video platform. Everybody wants to have video because it's so
effective, but I feel like Spotify should just be Spotify. So can you see that? Yeah. Try that.
Try again. Now try again. What to share your screen? Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Okay.
There we go.
But if I go to Availability, it says Apple.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Okay, let me see if I can kind of navigate this for you.
If we go to here.
We said just set this up so see, it's actually not listed out any other is not just needed to load.
Let's just see here.
Okay, so this is empty right now. So you have not submitted it to iTunes.
What will but people can find me on iTunes they find me all the time.
I just checked mine too and it's missing I think if you're not posting regularly that Apple may drop it, because I know that mine was was there as well.
I've been good to know.
So you may just have to resubmit it or read activated.
This is empty it looks like it's iTunes dot apple.com my podcast what what do you mean it's because that's that's just like the placeholder. So like, when you type something.
It just disappears, it's just showing you that it should look something like that but it's going to say slash posture or slash something it won't actually say my podcast.
So what do I do.
Well you can try to you actually want to go over to this link at Apple podcast connect and sign back into this, which you can do this.
Whenever you like you'll have to put your Apple ID and this is what you would use for your phone.
And then your password and then once you get in, there should be you should see your podcast in there and you may see something that's what did it say, Xavier What did you see when it.
It logged back in and it shows that it's there, but it was not showing up.
So let me go back and see if I can show up.
So you have to put in your Apple ID Bruce and yeah you got to put in your Apple ID and.
Yeah, you can sign in if you want but
it's right there.
I'm not sure.
But that's a good set basically just once you get into this, just see what you see it you can go try it out and come back at the end of this call if you want we can take a look at it.
I'm taking a look now to.
All right.
Okay.
No problem. Yeah, it's again it should be a pretty once it's submitted once should be able to reactivate it pretty quick but awesome.
Okay.
Sorry.
I do submit regularly. So that I don't get should have taken it off, but every other weeks. I was just guessing because the same thing has happened to me so I'm redoing it to see.
You can do that as well like use the anchor. There's an anchor support, I believe there's like a.
Let me see if I can find it.
There's like a help page help me I'll drop the link here for you.
Because that's their product. I mean we can obviously help you with it but you can submit a request and just see what happened.
Yeah, you just, you can search that website but you can also submit a request and chat with them they have like a little live chat in the bottom right, where you can name and email in and then you can actually start a conversation with them.
So that's one option.
Thank you.
Cool.
All right, let's go to Marion I see has her hand raised and then we'll go to Marcella.
Yeah, I had you talked about tribe.
And what I want to know is, I think I must have started in September I can't remember.
So I would finish in September.
Are you going to be teaching us anything about doing tribe.
And I know that you have this other tribe group that we could have belonged to.
Everybody on this call has some version of tribe.
Yeah. Yeah, you did too.
And actually you joined. You did join in January, and you joined roadmap in November or September and then you also I've got until next January. Yeah, so you're good.
That, that are even beyond September doesn't change anything for you but you do have access to tribe and I think you just have, have you filled out like the onboarding form for it.
And there's like a little, I've got, I've got the thing set up so I can go on it. I just okay okay perfect.
you're running the other tribe group that's teaching them how to?
Yeah. Sorry, let me share my screen.
Will you be doing any of that with the ones who have the tribe on here?
Yeah. So we do have a ton of training on this website here, which I'll drop a link to,
and you guys are all welcome to check that out. And then you can, we basically just made these
calls available. If you have questions or one strategy, like we can take, you know,
five, 10 minutes on one of these Tuesday calls and talk through some of that.
Yeah. And we could,
because everybody on these calls does have tribe, we could take, do some of those trainings as well,
add some more, but there's a lot of videos from here about how to do different things. And all
the training is kind of built in like video by video. But if you have questions, you can
definitely use these calls for it. And also, if you just need to know how to do something,
there is a tribe Facebook group as well. Oh, so we can, I tried to go on there and
it said I wasn't a member. Okay.
That may have changed, but... Try again. You can just request it.
And then because you're in members, Facebook should automatically let you in, but I'll drop
the link to that as well in the chat. If you want to request it, if for whatever reason,
it doesn't let you in, I'll just add you as well.
Okay. Thank you. So we go through a year.
What happens at the end of the year? We're still members of tribe.
Yeah. We'll have something really awesome for you guys at some point.
Oh, that's nice. Exciting to look forward to, right?
Don't worry. We're basically coming up with... Anyone who's in Kingdom Messengers is going to
have access to tribe in the cheapest, most affordable way possible.
And you guys, so don't worry about that. We're kind of going to split it out into different
groups. So Kingdom Messengers is going to have their own version of tribe.
Yeah. Okay.
We'll talk more about it, but yeah, we consider anyone who's joined, especially early on in any
of our programs, we'd like to reward the early adopters, let's say.
That's good. I think I felt a little overwhelmed because you've got all this setup where we can
look at all the different videos and I really haven't done it because of time constraints.
So because of that, I feel like I'm getting behind.
That's what everybody feels.
That's why I'm checking.
No, you're fine.
Okay. Thank you, Bruce.
Sure. Okay. Marcella, you had...
Yeah. So just real quickly, just a Marian, let me tell you, I started with Bruce and Lindsay
in 2021, January of 2021. And I'm just, you know, in some areas you have far past me.
So life just happens. And, you know, we got tribe social. And I think at the time,
Bruce presented it to us. It was well over my head. I did absolutely nothing with it. I looked
in it, did a couple of things, and then I was like, it was just too much. So to everybody,
we're all on our journey. We're going together. And I, just like I put in the chat, you know,
I come to stay connected because my life outside is quite noisy and will pull me away. And if I
stop coming and I thank God that they keep it on every Tuesday, because I could stay connected.
Anyway, that's my little speech. But I have a question about the challenges. You know, I got
the I think I just did not understand. I think I made a post a live post maybe a couple of weeks
ago. I was so excited. And so now I've done the masterclass and then I was given the challenges,
challenge secrets. So I've been going through that. So I have my who down pat, but I don't know
if I have the wording right. So I'll give you my who first. And then I guess my, my question is
because Lindsay had it in the, in my, on my, my live video. And then I was like, wait a minute,
maybe I don't know what I'm doing. Wait a minute. Let me slow down. So my who, oh, wait, I wrote it
down. Sorry. It's in my notions. Hold on. I'm sorry. I should have been better prepared. Okay.
But you said it was in your notions. So you just earned some points.
I use notions on my phone, on my computer, on my tablet, when I'm taking
notes. I got pictures and everything in there. Yeah. So I
hope that this is what I think I do. This is what I believe I do.
But I don't think I haven't worded out right. I help 35 plus
overworked and unfulfilled church lifers achieve freedom
and identity in Christ to have fulfilling and authentic
relationships with God, self and others. I don't have the
rest of it. That's all I have.
That's good. I mean, that that that works great. I'd love to
hear as well. We got a lot of people on the calls. But what
do you guys have any suggestions for feedback? Does that
resonate?
I think my Marcella, my second question would be because we're
talking in the arena of putting together a challenge for your
who is what problem are you wanting to help them solve? So
breakthrough or aha moment, you know?
Right? I think that's the part that I that I you asked me that
I think on the video, and I did not look at the bigger problem.
So one of the one of the these are a couple of things that I
that I wrote down last night. I've been up since midnight. So
please, I'm not up since midnight, but I went to bed
after midnight working on this. Um, um, one of the things is
burnout in church work, and losing their identity. I think
that's one of the problems. So this who is me, really, this is
who I was, this is who God has redeemed me. It's still redeeming
me, of course. Also, I mean, I, I think that's one of the
problems. What else I get on my little notes here. I'm feeling
unfulfilled in their church service using performance. I
don't think they realize they use performance performance in
church. And then finding out they're really they really are
unfulfilled, but can't tell anybody and I want to help them
have that fulfilling relationship, authentic
relationship with God, so that they can serve, right? We do
more serving. You know, it's been more serving to others, but
not from an authentic place. And it's just it's me rambling. I
feel like I'm rambling right now.
That's okay. This is called processing, which is good. Why
the coaching calls are for? So are you wanting to help people
heal a hurt? Is that what it sounds like? And then from that
place, be empowered to, you know, I'm trying to think of
what would be the first step? Are you wanting to gather people
that are disillusioned with church, maybe coming out of
church, maybe becoming de-churched? Are they still in
the church?
Okay, yeah, all of all of that really. Heal process of healing.
Um, um, yeah, healing. And then I think next steps would be
getting having I don't even know how to articulate I can't even
talk this morning. I'm having knowing who they are in Christ.
Like where I am. So identity. Yeah, identity, definitely
identity over legalism. You know, that kind of thing. So I
have all these ideas and messages. And even, you know,
I've done some small gig speaking engagements, impromptu
things. And these are the things that have resonated in my
speaking, even talking about grief, I want to do something
with you. So I'm just trying to flesh it out. So, Lindsay, I'm
just having a hard time trying to make why this is hard for me.
But like, what is a course versus coaching? That's where
I'm stuck. Yeah.
No, I think you're good. I think what you've got here is I'm
just making some notes. I think because here's one thing, it's
hard to it's hard to create a who that's like, for a bunch of
things, like, this is what I'm going to work with the next five
years. Try to think of like, a who just for if you've got a
challenge in front of you, like think about a who just for that
one challenge, it'll make it a lot easier. Because you can say
for that one challenge, we're going to spend three days and
help you avoid, you know, church burnout or something that or
help. Is it for people who are in ministry or work at a church?
Is that,
you know, I, I think my first thought was ministry leaders.
Yeah. And then, because I also was kind of fleshing it out with
my family group. And so they were the ones that
kind of give me the words of a church lifers.
I hate that Hillary's not on today.
Hillary was a big proponent, you know,
to help me get this going.
Cause I just didn't have any idea,
but people that have, you know,
served in church a long time,
that get wrapped up into serving
and then find out this is not, you know,
my life is really, my relationship with God
is not really what I thought it was.
It's like having that awareness.
Like I want, he promised me abundant life,
but I don't have it.
Why don't I have it?
That's, I want to help guide them to that answer.
Okay.
And do you feel like,
do you have an idea of like where you want to,
so people are here, they're potentially facing burnout.
You're going to help them avoid burnout or avoid that.
I mean, obviously you're not doing that in three days.
We can't do a lot in three,
but you can, it's a way to encourage them, right?
And just to help them build community.
Cause one of the ways I'm sure to avoid burnout
is to have connection and community.
Cause you mentioned the word connection as well.
So that's part of what you're creating in this group.
Do you, I mean, did you have an idea of like what the,
like what's the big,
they talk about it as sort of like the big opportunity.
Like what is the thing you're inviting people into?
I think from listening to Pedro,
I think it's a course.
I thought I was doing coaching,
but I don't want to kill myself in one-to-one coaching.
I think it's more of a course.
But also that's not a problem yet.
So we don't want to solve problems that aren't problems yet.
Okay.
Yeah. You can wait, like get to where you are.
Like, I don't have enough time
to keep doing these coaching calls.
And then you could like think of an alternative
because that would get you in front of people.
It is very, it's a lot easier to work with one person
than to have like 15 people.
Well, I say that because I do have experience
like doing therapy and I do have experiencing
doing free coaching in church for free over the years.
And it's like-
Is that called that?
I think it's called being a pastor.
Is that the, I'm just kidding.
I don't know what they,
nobody ever called me pastor before this.
I'm joking.
You know, it just, so I know my limits in terms of that.
And I've given a lot of great work for free
and I'm done with that part.
I need to-
Yeah. I think that's,
yeah, I don't think you should do it for free, I think.
But I think it's more like,
you have some sort of breakthrough that you've reached
that you want to help people.
Was Susie, were you waving?
Did you have something to say?
Okay.
And I see what,
there's some comments as well from Denise and others,
but oh, Lindsay, yeah, I'll let you speak.
I was just gonna say,
I feel like there's a connection with the grief
and this kind of church life or burnout scenario
because it is a level of grief
when you've given your life to the organizational church
and you realize after a lot of people,
after years, maybe decades, it's not working.
Right.
And they're grieving and they don't know where to go.
They don't know what to do.
And so I think there's something within that,
there's an intersection for you with the grief,
counseling piece and this, hey, let's heal.
Oh my gosh.
Uh-oh.
I think someone just fell.
I hope she's okay.
Give me one second.
I'm sure someone else has something good to say.
Yeah, I'm loving where you're going with it, Marcella,
because I think it's really true that sometimes,
especially those that have a role in your church,
whether you're a deacon or a pastor,
youth pastor or whatever,
you find your identity in that
and you lose your relationship with the Lord,
because you're trying to prepare for your sermon.
And it was right along with what Denise had typed
into the chat.
And so just trying to find that place of helping,
I think what you were saying was trying to help them
to find their true identity,
that it's not wrapped up in being the youth pastor
or the evangelist, whatever the case may be.
And they might've been doing it for quite some time,
being a leader or whatever,
or holding a role at their church,
and then they have lost the relationship.
relationship piece because they've only been focused on what they do.
Yeah.
Is that, sounded like that's one of the things you.
I kept saying over the, this has been kind of an ongoing thing until
I ran into Bruce and Lindsay.
Um, I've been saying, you know, I don't want to work for God and not
work with God or work with Holy spirit.
You know, I, I know what that is.
Right.
Um, that that's been in my life.
And so this awareness and process has come through the passing of
my parents who were pastors.
And now I'm saying, okay, what does my life mean now?
So that, that through this, through all of this kingdom messenger, all of
this is all the things that's been resonating with me and then me working
it out with myself to find out, Hey, that, that, that I thought I
was, is that who I really am?
So, um, I just, so I just struggle with the pack, like putting it
together, not going too much.
What's the simple five day thing.
And then what, how do I, that's the part where I'm stuck.
I don't know why there's.
If, if I can, Margella, I think our, our who's are, are, are very similar
and we're approaching it and in terms of what God has given me, and I am
more focused on those who have been de-churched or de-churched themselves
because of it, but for, for all the same reasons, and it sounds like you're
trying, you're trying to get to the people who are still in church before
they become the de-churched.
Okay.
And so I, so I, I understand in terms of what you're doing and it's funny
because I'm also working on a five day challenge and hopefully next week
I'll, I'll announce that, but it's, it's the same thing I'm just going after.
You have to decide who it is that you're going after and solve that problem.
Cause if they're in church right now and they're burned out.
Okay.
That's who you want to reach and that's who you want to message and don't
look at the whole big scope.
Just look at just these folks.
Okay.
And if I say, if I said these three sentences, it would, it would resonate
with them right off the, they would totally get it.
And there's so many people who are like that and they're struggling, you know,
in the organization and, and everything else.
And, and as you said, you find yourself in a situation where you're
in a situation and everything else.
And, and as you said, you find out that your, your relationship
is not what you thought it was.
Yeah.
Okay.
And that's, it's something that's very depressing, but that's where, that's
the point of impact, okay.
That you want to hit the mat.
Mine's a little bit different cause they're already on the outside, but
you're, you're talking about them inside the church right now
and what they can relate to.
So in terms of your big scope, just narrow it down to that so that you
could talk to them.
If you said just three sentences, they would know exactly what you
meant and would want to talk to you.
And that is your who.
But that's the part that I'm struggling with are those sentences.
That's what I mean.
It's like, I hear that I get that, but then I don't know how to,
I don't know why I'm struggling.
So, so how would you describe, I mean, how would you describe
the problem for yourself?
Or you were telling somebody, you're not looking for somebody.
You were just telling somebody how you felt and what you went through.
Yeah.
Burnt out in the field.
Yeah.
Lost and confused.
Yeah.
I think the, that's a good distinction.
Um, so always, always, always, you can go more niche.
Like you can always niche down.
Like I would say, don't say like the more specific can be, even if it's like, Hey,
I'm helping woman with this thing who are 35, I don't helping, you know, people
like you're saying people in church who have left church who are about to leave.
Like there's all these fine, um, adjustments you can make because it'll
be so much easier to talk to that person.
Um, if they're very specific, it's really easy to talk to like
one-on-one with someone.
If you're just having a one-on-one conversation.
Um, and if you know of people who you're like have in mind, that may a good
people, even to have, that may be a good conversation to have or a zoom call or a
free just check-in call or something just to catch up with them, because
they'll like, was they was saying like, they're going to use language and you'll,
and you'll use language that you'll say something and they'll
like respond to it immediately.
Um, and so, uh, even when we did King messengers, like we had a lot of people
share and go live and introduce themselves.
And one of the things that came out of it is people were really wanting to impact
the next generation or leave a legacy.
And like, that was not language that Lindsay and I would have ever come up
with, but it's stuff that everybody in the audience said, and then now it's
become part of more of our language, but, um, that's something is the
more you just have conversations.
But I would try to.
For the chat, the challenge is not something to like, from a content
and a deliverability standpoint, like you want to make it as specific as
possible and you're not going to like, they're not going to launch their entire
for us, if they're going to launch entire kingdom channel.
in a three days or five days, right?
The only thing we're trying to do is just wake it,
open them up to the idea that they can
leverage the digital landscape in a new way that,
and this is what's possible.
And then here's a reason, here's a reason,
here's a reason why that you wanna,
this is the why, right?
Cause you're not going to really help them with the how,
it's gonna be like, it's just gonna be the what
and the how is what you're gonna cover on that challenge.
Sorry, the what and the why are the two big things.
Like why, so to me,
there's maybe even something on like,
like how to not give up on church
or how to avoid giving up on church.
Like the three day, you know,
avoid giving up on church for ministry leader,
you know, something, could be something like that.
But I think you're getting closer
and all the other language, the avoiding burnout
and all of that, this like one sentence
is very difficult to come up with.
And also when you're thinking of your landing page
and doing a challenge, this is the like main banner
that's gonna be at the very top.
I can show you guys a quick example here
of what we're talking about.
It's this like big headline right here, right?
And this, we wrote it like probably 20 times
and then we sent it to some friends
and they gave us a ton of feedback.
And so we had something, I don't even remember what it was,
but we said here like, hey,
online community leaders is for tribe.
Like is tech overwhelm holding you back
from growing your community?
And then we had all the things about like what's happening
and why like, if you don't have knowledge of these things,
this is what's gonna cost you.
Like you can kind of, it's this big sentence.
This thing is typically the last thing we write on the page.
And you've kind of started with that,
which is the hardest thing, right?
Which is good because you're,
but don't feel like you have to get it word perfect
right now.
Like even just if you can describe it in a paragraph,
that's good for now.
You can refine it and trim it down better.
I could probably show some other.
Yeah, I guess I'm just trying to go,
I'm going through the training.
So I've gone through just about all of,
all up until the point of setting the date
in the challenge, which training with Pedro.
So that's where I'm stuck.
So then my mind is really,
and I'm taking notes and I'm getting ideas,
but I just, I like what Lindsay was saying.
I really wanted to hear more of what she had,
but I know she's got to do what she has to do.
I think she's still here.
I like what she was saying about,
there is a grief to it, I think.
Right, and a healing.
And there is that process of what I've done with myself,
on my own, no one,
other than having the foundation that I've had
to take that and to move myself forward
because I would not be here.
Do you think it's for,
I don't know if you would classify yourself as this,
but like a PK or a pastor's kid?
Yeah, definitely.
Like maybe that's who it's for?
Because I think that's a very specific niche.
Okay.
And that you could identify with.
And a term like PK,
like people would probably recognize that.
Or you could say pastor's kid, but.
Yeah, yeah.
That, I would make it as specific
to your story as possible.
Okay.
Right, there was some sort of like breakthrough
that you had to overcome to get to where you are now.
Like think of everybody's like,
kind of at the bottom of the hill
and you've gone on a journey with the Lord
to get to the top of this hill.
When you're describing this,
it's like, what's that transformation like?
Well, I was here, I get it.
Like I had, you know, you want to talk,
like connect with them as far as I, you know,
know what it's like to have parents
and this story and that story.
And then you kind of like, they're like, oh my gosh,
like she's like speaking directly to me.
And then you say, and then when things go wrong
and this happens and this happens, this happens.
And now you're left wondering like,
should I even invest in church anymore?
Is it worth it?
And then you tell them too,
and here's what I've learned over the last decade
or whatever in pursuing this dream or something like that.
But yeah, it would be interesting,
as you were saying as well,
if you know some people like who would be similar
to your who, you could just have those conversations
would be good.
Okay.
Yeah, absolutely.
And believe me, Marcella,
I understand what you're going through.
When we were first doing the origin stories,
I think I told the group,
my first pass was 17 pages long,
okay, which was really ridiculous.
But as you start to go through what it really.
really came down to was, you know, it came down to one
sentence for me, which was, you know, I was suffering from
performance anxiety with God. Okay. Right. But it took me a
while to take all that and narrow with narrow this, really
narrow this down. And, you know, now I'm narrowing it down even
further, because as you've seen, you know, the group that you can
be talking to can still be very, very wide. But Bruce is
absolutely right, you want to narrow down, you're not going
to solve, you're not going to solve their problem in three or
five days. Okay, you're just trying to make them aware that
there is a solution. Okay, here are some tools that can help you
out. Because you're, you know, you're you, it's going to take
time. And if after that, you know, they want to talk to you,
and you want to set them up for coaching or for group coaching,
or, or a course, or whatever, then you know, you can you can
take that. But it really comes down to hitting that pain.
What's the biggest pain point? You know, with all that, what
was the biggest pain point for you? With all this? I know that
there was more than one, but what was the biggest one? Okay.
You know, and that if you can speak to that, and just speak to
that point, then people will, they will recognize and they
will come to you. Okay, and you may find out that the exact, you
know, the group that you thought was going to respond the best in
this whole big group, you know, is just there's a
microcosm of that group. Okay, that that wants to talk to you.
Okay, and that's who and that's who you're here to talk to. And
so believe me, I know, and I understand and trying to, you
know, trying to zero in on it, you know, and I've had to pray
about it a lot. And I like, you know, I'm going after the
detour. So I'm going out to people who love God and
struggle with church. Okay. Because they're, they're
definitely out there. And they need more than what they've had
in the past. But that's what God has given me to speak to. But it
came out of this whole nine, this whole thing about getting
burnt out, okay, and realizing that, you know, I, you know, I'm
pastoring for seven years, and I'm getting nowhere. Okay. No,
and it's not responding and whatnot. But what you want to do
is just find that pain point that you can speak to that, that
that people will just go sister, I'm, you know, yeah, you you've
said it exactly. You've said exactly, that's my problem. And
when you can speak to them on that level, then, okay, you will
have your ideal who
do you How's that feeling? Do you feel like you got some
clarity yet? Or? Um,
yes, and no. Yes. And in one instance, um, and no, and
another, in the sense of? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, no, but yes.
Yes.
Yeah, you just say you're not you're not there yet. Okay,
that's okay.
No, I'm not saying that because I am there and all of it is
resonating. I think I'm still trying to get to the next step.
So I see, I get I understand everything that you're saying,
Xavier, I'm with you. I got it. I'm all for it. The PK thing. I
got narrowing down the niche. I got that part. I'm trying to get
now.
So asking, so if I do this challenge, what is my next step?
Like what comes after the challenge?
Yeah, I'm just trying to understand what you're
okay. So Pedro said, he said, work backwards. Lindsay also had
it on my page. What is my offer? That's what stopped me. So the
micro niche, I thought I was, I guess I wasn't narrow enough.
And so I got the PK part. So that'll bring it even more. You
know, use more of my experiences in my story. I think I got that
part. So I guess I'm now going back to what he says is to work
backwards. What is he says, if you have the big problem and the
offer for the big problem, then you can work backwards. So I
share a couple things. I think that's good. Hopefully helps
everybody else here. So anytime you have a project where you're
stuck, stuck, getting stuck is the worst, you can't move
forward, you're like, I, you don't want to move to the left,
because then you can't go to the right. So you end up not moving
at all. Right. So, so when you have that thing, try to like,
basically read like draw a new target, essentially. So if you
have a project where you're stuck, you're stuck. You're
basically read like draw a new target, essentially. So so I
think in our minds, like we have an idea of like this
challenge and I'm going to be standing up and there's gonna be like hundreds of people and I'm
going to present this thing to hundreds of people right and I better get it right and if I don't
then I'm going to miss out on making money making you know connections and making impact whatever
the the risks are. One thing I would say is dramatically like simplify challenge the way
Pedro does challenges the way that we do challenge is totally different than how we do it how you're
going to do it is going to be your own style so one thing that you can do is just I would almost
have a initially just a one session one night kind of free training free session where you just have
a couple people on it could be you and three other people right and just say you can do a post on
face you have to run ads or any of that stuff just do a few posts on Facebook send out if you have
an email list invite people hey I'm going to be talking about this I want to be telling my story
of how I went from this to that and I'm going to just try and share a couple like three keys that
I learned along the way five keys that I learned along the way or five like breakthrough things
that I learned along the way and I just want to encourage you and hopefully this helps impact
someone like that could be that simple that you could come up with in an afternoon like a quick
you know present sort of how to tell your story and at the end just do some Q&A and then and then
take everything that you learned in that Q&A and that will kind of do that next step
of of what to do you don't have to go from like never have done have never having done a challenge
all the way to running a challenge with like hundreds of people or thousands right like you
can do it in baby steps and that way you're at least making some progress because what will
happen is you may have someone uh direct message you after that and be like hey marcia like that
was amazing like I need can I like do a one-on-one session with you can you help me with this like
do you mind walking through or praying with me then they'll they'll ask you for your offer
right um in january when we launched kingdom messengers like we were like hey maybe we'll
do some sort of coaching program we had none of the offer built out on day one and we had a seven
day challenge so we had seven days to figure it out because every day we were doing a session
and by the set like we had to figure something out by the end of it um again part of it is just
setting the date to have some sort of offer but what happened is that we didn't lock it in right
at the beginning I don't think we could have like and it's just not my style to like I would I'd
like to kind of be in the moment get to know everybody and kind of figure out what's going
to make sense and then do something you know from there so it's very like even in businesses
there's a temptation to make a lot of decisions in the boardroom right and you're sitting in you
don't not actually talking to your customers you're not actually like engaging with where the
market is but you're making these like huge impactful decisions in like this isolated area
so that's that's what being stuck and not having at least having those first conversations it's
going to hold back now you're already making content and you're doing you know blog posts
and videos and things like that you guys are all doing that so you already are stepping out
um and having you're at least having building that audience right so use that audience like
reach out to them and say hey I just want to tell them and it can be simple like people love hearing
testimonies I want to share this I want to encourage you I want to you know I know there's
other and you can name them the pastor's kids who are in ministry that are like maybe on maybe you're
you know and I think if you invite them in that kind of way you don't have to have this
beautifully marketed like billboard which I think is what you're trying to come up with
right now is like this perfectly one sentence that's like oh that's exactly who it is you know
you can just describe them you can go live on your your Facebook page and just say hey I'm
going to be doing this thing you know maybe there's people that are like this maybe there's
people that are that or they're like wondering this or they're thinking that so you're kind of
like sort of drawing like a general idea of who that person is and they will identify with some of
these statements um and I think that that's a great way and then you just literally just invite
them to a zoom call and that's it like just have them on let them talk to you interact with you
you know ask questions you will because then you'll have done your first kind of free training
and then if it goes well like do it again in a few weeks just and people will just come back
like maybe you share something else and then over that's and honestly that's how you know Pedro
launched 100x is they just did a free 30-day entrepreneur kingdom entrepreneur um challenge
where he just went live and like shared what everything he knew about the topic and he had no
offer at all except people were asking him like hey what's the offer like I want this I want
coaching I want that and then he like put something together but he didn't start the challenge with
like any of that okay yeah I think that's that was helpful Bruce because I think what I've been
trying to do which is that's just the way that I'm wired
Um, is to, you know, I'm watching the training and I'm trying to go the steps and do the
steps and I'm watching the videos and it wasn't, I wasn't able to match what I was feeling
inside.
I think Susie, she sent me a message.
It's exactly right.
It's in my gut.
I know who it is, but just to package it so that I'm, you know, trying to do all the things.
And so, yeah, but yeah, I like this idea too.
I like that.
Again, putting a date on the calendar makes a huge difference, right?
Like just looking at it, you could open up your calendar, take a pen and drop it on something.
And that will be the date.
If you, if you're having trouble, we'll just go with the Holy Spirit guiding your pen date
the right day, right?
So, uh, I mean, it's just, just having some date on the calendar is helpful than, than
not having one.
So, um, cause put that in there, just do it.
Like you got to start messy, right?
It's not going to be polished.
It just isn't, you know?
And it's funny, but like, I can tell you that, um, the more unpolished and the more just
authentic it is, that is what really will connect with people.
And I think part of why, like we initially started King of Messages is because we were
just like, we're just showing up on a zoom call.
There was, it was so, so simple and so basic, and we just made ourselves very accessible
to people.
And all of a sudden it was just, you know, it, it worked out really well.
Um, but I've seen a lot like trying to make it seem too fancy and too shiny and too polished
is sometimes it ends up being, um, you know, so anyway.
Okay.
That's helpful.
That, that was helpful.
That kind of simplified it, uh, for me, I think, and kind of pull it out and then go
from there.
Okay.
Thanks.
Thanks guys.
Thanks.
Really?
Yeah.
I think Bruce was exactly right.
And I completely forgotten that during the pandemic, our small groups weren't meeting
in person.
So we started a zoom group.
Okay.
Well, you know, and cause my wife has autoimmune issues.
So, you know, getting everybody together was just not an option, but on, you know, it was
the exact same thing.
So a lot of what's coming out of me now was actually just born in these, um, zoom groups
of just a few people, you know, getting together and talking and, and, and, and whatnot and
discussing.
And, um, yeah, you, you just, you just, um, you, you start small and, and just go from
there.
So rather than, than take the whole big picture.
So I forgotten that Bruce, so thank you for reminding me, but, um, yeah, we all, we all,
you know, start small and then just, you know, let the word guide you from there and it'll
come through.
Awesome.
Yes.
If I can, if I can add, I think that that is, this is the point that Bruce is saying
that's a difference between us and Pedro and those of us who watch the Pedro thing, who
have a picture of what we need to be doing was a really good foundation, but it's not,
you know, it's what we need to build on.
It's not who we are.
And so thank you, Bruce.
Yeah, I think, um, uh, yeah, it's, it's because we've been, uh, the way that we started doing
challenges and all stuff was back in 2019.
So it was about, it was literally three years ago.
So that was where we got exposed to it from, from Pedro, but it was three years ago.
So it's changed and it's evolved a lot since then.
And so anyway, yeah, you want to do it in your own style, but it all comes down to just
a few core things of connecting with people.
So just having those conversations, especially if you don't have anything, just start having
those conversations, um, as early as possible.
So it's because if you're stuck, like you'll have one, I'll tell you, this is what's going
to happen.
You're going to have one conversation with one person and you're going to be so fired
up about going and serving this who, by talking about one person, it, you won't even be, you'll
be like, oh, it's this, this is the topic.
I'm going to write this out.
Here's my ad.
It's just going to come together.
Because you're going to share some things and they're going to say like, oh my gosh,
where has this been all my life?
Like when you said this thing, this so impacting, you're like, oh, that's just something I say
all the time.
Like a little saying, you know, it's like these little things and people are going to
be like, oh wait, let me write that down.
You're like, oh, that's what you needed to know.
Oh, okay.
Like, cause we try to like, when we go do these videos or content, we're trying to be
like overly profound and like people just a lot of times need like really basic.
Like help with something and just encouragement and then just for writing some sort of community.
So you could definitely invite them.
Do the, do the zoom and then you guys can all do this, like do zoom and then have a
private Facebook group and just say, Hey, if it's okay with you guys, I'd love to invite
you to this at the end of the call, just so we can keep the conversation going and encourage
one another.
Oh my gosh.
That's awesome.
Thanks.
As free just here, everybody sign in.
Now you've got them kind of in a private group and next time you want to do events,
you can keep pushing it to that group.
And then down that becomes what we have is like our kingdom messenger community.
So you just keep growing that kind of free community out, and then you can always later
down the road invite them to something else, but you don't have to come up with it right
now.
Cool.
That was great, thanks for that, that I could see yeah, I really, I could see it, I grabbed
that.
And just because this is like a coaching inception, you sharing that whole story and Xavier adding
some stuff to it and all you guys, your comments and stuff.
I think I'm going to go do a training that's for you guys, that would be like how to run
your first online event, just a single session, thing like that, because, but see, I didn't
have that idea 30 minutes ago, right?
So because I'm talking to my who, okay?
So like, if that didn't just prove the point, right?
So, but if I'd sat here, I could sit on the whiteboard all day and not think of, oh, like
running a webinar.
Yeah, I could help someone with that.
But like, I would never would have written that down on a whiteboard.
But anyway, that's good.
Just have conversations.
I have a question, when I was getting my private Facebook groups set up, I think I unnecessarily
did two groups.
I did one group for comments, private, more private comments on my YouTube content, and
then another one for my challenge.
And I'm not exactly sure what I was thinking of when I did that.
But do you have any thoughts about that?
So you can have as many private groups as you want.
The good thing is they're private, and you can easily delete them.
So I would, we typically were doing one group per challenge before we did Kingdom Messengers.
When we did Kingdom Messengers, we just, it just made sense to keep one, one big group
just for all challenges.
So you can keep your two, keep one for kind of your whatever you want to call it.
I would just for where you are now, I would just simplify it and make one, you know, so
people want to join, come from your YouTube, and they want to have a conversation, have
them come to that group.
If you want to do an event, just have them come to the same group for now, because you
want to just get one really, get that audience as big as possible so that you, you know,
in one place, if you split it, you're going to have half the group in one, and it's just
not going to have as much engagement.
So, but you can easily delete them.
So whichever one has less people, just delete it, and then you can rename it to whatever
you want.
And we changed the name of our, changed our name of our group many, many times.
So you can even change it for a specific event, and then change your group name back
if you want.
So.
Gotcha.
Awesome.
Any other questions, guys?
Good.
I know we spent a lot of time on that, but I think hopefully that helped a lot of other
people sort of, you're thinking about putting your own content out or your own challenge.
That was helpful.
Good.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, it's been good hanging out with you guys, and we'll be back on Tuesday.
We'll have, we'll probably announce, I'll work with Tamara, and we'll put something
in the email so you guys can know what to expect for the trainings.
So we'll probably do some sort of training next week, maybe on running a webinar like
this.
So that would be easy, but cool.
We'll have a great rest of your week, and we'll see you guys next Tuesday.
Thanks so much, all, for your contribution to this great, great conversation.
Talk soon.
Bye.