All right, so we're good here.
All right, so let's start jumping in.
So there's a lot of stuff you can learn in the patent realm,
but I kind of just did a little touching on what's available.
So I'm going to answer some questions first.
Let me see, let me look in the,
yesterday we had a list of individuals.
There were four people.
Karen, were you one of them?
Or Axel, were you one of them?
Axel, all right, let's start out with you, Axel.
And then there's only two people
who have hands up right now anyway,
so let's start out with Axel.
Okay, thank you.
So I actually, I mean, I have the question from yesterday,
but also, I mean, as the main reason for me to be here
was to get knowledge about patents.
Also, I have more questions.
So at least, I mean,
I will do the first question from yesterday,
but if you have time, we'll-
Oh, absolutely, we'll have time.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely, go ahead.
Okay, so the question from yesterday is that you said
that to use the copyright, like the text,
it should be used like with the symbol,
and the year, and the owner of the copyright, right?
So you said that it's a need to use like the entity name
from an individual or a business,
but is it possible to use a trademark
instead of the name of the owner or?
No, it has to be the owner.
Okay, okay.
So if I have a trademark-
The owner may be a trademark,
but the fact of the matter, it has to be an owner.
So a trademark is just a word, right?
So you can't just put a random word there.
Like, if you have a trademark,
you can't just put a word in that space.
It has to be either a person or an entity
that actually owns the copyright.
You can't, like, I can't just say Nike.
It's like, nope.
Like, now, if Nike Corporation is the name of my company,
then it should say Nike Corporation,
but I can't just randomly put a trademark in there.
Okay, so if I have, like, a service with a name,
I mean, the trademark name,
I should use my own name,
even if I would like to be treated like the trademark.
So for example, I don't know, if I have, like,
if my trademark is ABC, so I don't know,
maybe I have abc.com, you know, the webpage,
and the ABC logo at the top,
but I should use, then, the C, copyright symbol,
the year, and my name, like Axel Rostovsky, right?
So there's no way for me, I mean, if I own-
Back up, back up,
because you said, you started out by saying
ABC Corporation is your name.
No, no, I mean, if I have a website,
which is abc.com, for example,
and I don't own any corporation, which is called ABC.
It's just the trademark for my service.
So in that case-
So ABC is the trademark for your service?
It's an example, but in this example, yes.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, so even if I would like to use ABC
as the name of the service,
in the copyright part,
I should use the C symbol, the year, and my name, right?
Axel Rostovsky.
There's no way for me to use ABC
if I don't own an actual company,
which is called ABC, right?
Correct.
Okay, okay.
The entity that owns whatever the work is
that you're putting the copyright on
is what you need to list.
Okay.
So if it's a company, or if it's a person,
or a copyright notice, whoever owns the copyright,
that entity or person has to be listed.
Okay, okay.
Right.
That's a really important-
I think there's some confusion
as to what's copyright and what's trademark.
So let's go through that for a second, okay?
And that's natural.
That's natural.
Just to be clear, like,
people confuse the two all the time
because they're very similar.
And in fact, a logo could be protected by copyright,
and it's protectable by trademark.
Like, it's protectable in multiple realms.
So it's not uncommon to get confused in this area of,
what do I do?
Like, I have a logo,
so do I put copyright notice on it,
or do I put a TM on it?
Or like, I don't understand.
What do I do?
I mean, let me kind of touch base on this
because this is a confusing area
of intellectual property law.
So, and the scenario you just kind of walked through
kind of showed that this is something
we should talk a little bit more about.
So the trademarks are protecting names, logos and slogans.
So names, slogans, logos, right?
But separate from that, they can protect like sounds,
they can protect smells, colors.
We talked about all that.
Copyright is gonna be the physical embodiment
of the creation.
So the artist draws something
that's protectable by copyright,
but a name for the drawing is not protectable by copyright.
Now, if you have a stylized name,
a stylized name may be protectable by copyright
and protectable as a logo under trademark law.
Does that make sense?
Because this can get really confusing very fast
because you can have a logo that is a created work
with stylized letters in it, which is copyrightable,
which is, so now you've got a trademark for the logo,
you've got the stylized letters
and the logo protectable by copyright.
So you really, what you need to do
is break down whatever created work you have.
So if you have a website, like you were talking about,
now I've got a website, it's owned by ABC Corporation.
When I do my copyright, I do the circle C, the years,
and then I put down the entity's name
because if the entity owns the website,
then I put down the entity's name.
But if I own the website, then I put down my name.
I don't put the entity's name
because I put down the individual or entity
who owns the website, the content.
Now, let's go even deeper.
This is VIP, you guys should be able to handle this.
We go deep in VIP, we dig deep in VIP.
We're not like milk, we're like,
we're in the meat of it, right?
All right, so-
Aaron's all about it.
Yeah, so we're like, we're digging in deep in VIP.
All right, so you've got a website.
The website is owned by ABC Corporation, right?
The content that was created for putting on the website
was created by Axel, okay?
The logo that was created that's on the website
was created by Karen, all right?
This is how real life works.
Real life is not real pretty
like the way that I'm kind of packaging it for you.
You know, it's like, oh, there's patents.
Oh, there's trademarks.
Oh, there's copyrights.
There's bunny rabbits and chocolate
and, you know, nice teddy bears to hug.
No, that's not the world.
Like the world is like mooched up.
Like the teddy bear has got chocolate stains on it, right?
Which has got mud on it.
Like that's the real world, okay?
And so with that being the case,
in this situation, ABC Corporation owns the website.
Axel created the content
and Karen with her incredible creative nature
created the logo.
You've got potentially three different owners
on that one page.
So this is why you've got to figure out,
all right, Karen's brilliant, created this awesome work.
Did I have her assign all right title and interest
over to ABC Corporation?
Oh, I did.
Awesome.
Karen got paid properly.
Karen's happy.
Now I own that.
Okay, that now belongs to ABC Corporation.
No problem, right?
So now when I put the circle RTM on ABC Corporation site,
that's showing that ABC Corporation owns that trademark.
No problem, right?
Axel created the content for the website, okay?
This is why you get situations
where corporations create websites
and you see on the bottom of it, somebody else's name.
You see this all the time.
If you go all the way at the bottom,
you'll see, you know, website owned by,
you know, Beta Corporation or whatever.
And you're like, what does that have to do
with ABC Corporation?
It's like, that's who owns the website
because they created that.
It's their copy.
So now Axel owns the copy for the website.
That's a big deal.
Did Axel assign all right title and interest
to ABC Corporation?
If he didn't, then the copyright notice
saying ABC Corporation is actually wrong.
Yes, so may I clarify something that I like I want you to like to explain about the situation particular, which is like.
So, a trademark can be used as an entity right. So, if I own a trademark, and I like to expose to the public. The service with this name, which is the trademark as the source of information and the service.
Even if that's the case, I should use like my real name as an individual in the copyright description at the bottom right.
You're talking about trademarks, why are you talking about. Yes.
Yeah, because if I, I mean, maybe using the example of ABC was confusing because of the name ABC.
But I don't know if I have like red door, for example.
Trademark. Yes, yes. So, I like to like for the public to know that the source of this whole service is, I mean, came from you just talking about red door the trademark.
Now you're talking about a service, where are you marketing service. Yes, because I like, I like to for the people to understand and know that the service came from red door.
Right.
From the source.
You're saying that the trademark, you're saying that the trademark red door is also the name of a corporation, from what you just said. No, no, no, no, no.
Oh, no, I said it came from red door, how could it come from a trademark it has to come from a company.
Because, doesn't it, I mean, doesn't the trademark is used, is used.
I mean for to identify the source of the good, the goods and services, or. Yes.
Yes. So, I mean, under common law if I don't have, like, trademark.
Even if that's the case, I may use, like, the name of the trademark as a fantasy name from what I provide. Right. Yes.
Okay, so in, if that's the case, I like for the people to relate what I provide with the name of the trademark.
Yep, that's what trademarks do. That's right. Yes, yes. So I don't have a corporation with the same name of the trademark, but I like for the people to relate what I provide with the framework.
So that's why, that's why I imagined that it maybe was possible before this talk to use like the C, the C symbol, the year, and the trademark name instead of mine.
No. Okay, that's not allowed. Okay. Okay. Okay. No trade trade while a trademark is an identification as a source of goods the trademark itself is not the source of goods, it's an identification as to a source of goods.
Okay. Okay. Okay. I had that you may wear the same hat every single day when somebody sees that hat they think of you that doesn't mean that the hat is you.
Okay.
It's an identification as to a source of goods. When somebody sees that hat they think of you doesn't mean you're the hat.
Okay. Okay. So if there's no corporation, I should use my name in the copyright part.
I mean, it would be exposed that I'm related with this with this trademark source, etc. Right.
The confusing part about what you're saying is that you're, you're, you're talking about a copyright notice but then you're talking about a trademark. Those are two different things.
So if you're talking about a website that has the trademark on it.
Yes, again, the copyright notice is associated with the content of the website, not the trademark copyright notice has nothing to do with trademarks in any way shape or form.
They're not even related, they have nothing to do with each other.
So if I if I have a website, and the website has many different pictures. Each of those pictures are protectable by copyright, the content of the website is protectable by copyright, the logo that's on the website is protected by trademark.
But the notice on the website is associated with the content of the website, and that's where the notice. It has nothing to do with the trademark.
Okay, okay. There's they're not even. Yeah, I know it's it's it can be confusing, but it's, it's not.
They're not related so if when you when you use a copyright notice on a website.
Look at the content of the website and see who is the creator of the content of the website, that's who should be listed in the copyright notice on the website.
So, if that party assigned or write title and interest over to a corporation like the ABC Corporation.
Whether that's a trademark or not a trademark has nothing to do
with the content that's on the website.
So therefore, if they assigned or write title and interest
to ABC Corporation, ABC Corporation should be listed
on the copyright house.
It's whoever owns the copyright, regardless of whether
or not it's federally registered.
It's a really good question, what you're asking.
And it kind of shows how copyrights
and trademarks can kind of all exist in the same realm.
But what you need to do is break down, you know,
my copyright notice is for what, my trademark notice is
for what, and where is it located?
And so my trademark notice that's associated
with my logo should be next to my logo.
It shouldn't be on the bottom of my website page.
Because nobody's going to be able to know
that my logo is protectable by trademark,
unless my logo has the circle RRTM next to it, right?
Because otherwise, what they do is they go to the bottom
of the website, and it says logo protected by, you know,
trademark, and they're like, which logo?
Like, there's all sorts of stuff on the website.
So you want them, the second that they see it,
you want to see it, they want to get the notice.
Does that help?
Yes, yes, thank you.
Yeah, it's a really good question.
It's a complex question.
I hope we broke that down for you.
Yeah. Karen, I'm going to take one question from you here,
and then I'm going to dig into some stuff on the patent realm.
And then, Krisna, we need to get to you today, right?
Weren't you?
Yeah, absolutely.
And Connie as well.
Connie was one of the other ones.
All right.
Karen, go ahead.
So if I just became an entity, and just to confuse things,
the entity is the same name as my logo,
which is the trademark got abandoned,
but I can still, until I get money, I can copyright that.
And then trademark it?
Right, right.
So my trademark?
Yeah, you're not going to copyright a trademark.
Okay.
You're going to, all right, so this actually alludes
to something that's actually really important
for all of you.
There's a few of you who have pinged me and said,
I hired a lawyer and we filed the trademark application,
but the application went abandoned, right?
Either because somebody got sick
or somebody forgot to do something
or whatever the case may be.
You explain that.
You're like, oh man, we spent all this money
to file an application.
I didn't hear anything from them for two years.
I looked, now that I know how to do a trademark search,
I looked and I see it's dead.
So I called the lawyer and I said, hey lawyer,
what happened?
And either A, the lawyer didn't answer,
which some people were saying,
or B, the lawyer got sick or whatever
and so the case got abandoned, all right?
Whatever the case may be.
So the question is, what do you do?
Like, what do you do?
All right, well, hopefully, number one,
hopefully nobody else filed for the same thing.
Because if there was a situation where you filed
for a federal application and then,
let's say you weren't using the trademark.
So you file a federal application,
you never use a trademark.
And then all of a sudden, some time passes,
case goes abandoned, somebody else files.
Well, they beat you.
They beat you to the United States Patent and Trademark
Office, so now you essentially could lose your rights,
right?
But if it is the case, which Jessica was here,
if it is the case that the application was abandoned,
but you were using it and you were continuing to use it,
then under common law, you can continue to use it.
Even though somebody filed the trademark application
after you, you've got continuous use.
So you have rights under common law
in a specific geographical region
where you've been using it, right?
That's kind of what we covered on day two,
I think it was, or day one, something like that.
So if you've been using it, filed an application,
application goes abandoned,
you at least can continue using it, at least that.
That's the good part.
You at least got that.
Now let's assume for a second that you were not using it.
And so you filed the application and it went abandoned.
What now?
There are multiple things you could do.
One is you could file a petition
to revive your trademark application.
But if you file a petition to revive,
A, there's some costs associated with it,
which isn't that horrible.
But B, you need to have a reason that is acceptable
by the United States Patent and Trademark Office,
meaning there needs to be extraneous circumstances
as to why you didn't know that this went abandoned, right?
So you could say like, my lawyer didn't respond,
my lawyer got sick.
And when I looked it up on the internet,
right away, I filed for revival.
You know, that's acceptable.
But the further you get away from the actual time period of when your case went abandoned,
the further you get away, the harder it is to revive.
Okay?
So if your case went abandoned two weeks ago, follow revival.
That should be a no-brainer, should work pretty easily.
If it's like your lawyer didn't look at something or didn't make you aware or you moved
and you didn't get the mail, whatever the case is, right?
You should be able to follow revival.
I would touch base with a lawyer, right?
And if the lawyer is the reason why it went abandoned, then call the lawyer and say,
hey, on your own dime, revive this, because it's their fault.
Right?
It was their fault that it went abandoned.
Now, things happen, but a revival is so inexpensive that you can just ask them to follow revival.
Okay?
Now, let's say that a year went by.
Well, you can refile.
But you're not going to have that same priority date.
You're not going to have that same filing date.
Filing date's gone.
Like, you're not, you can't get it back.
It's gone.
So now, you know, somebody files an application, something happens with the lawyer,
or they just forget something, case goes abandoned.
Now, all of a sudden, they're like, where's the case?
Oh, it's dead.
You can just refile.
You know, so that's always an option, refiling.
The only problem with refiling, like I said, is if somebody filed during that dead space, you may be out of luck.
But the good part is if somebody did file during that dead space, you may still have common law rights,
in which case you could continue doing what you're doing.
So that's why a good lawyer is important to touch base with them,
to make sure that you check all these little boxes of what are the options.
Does that help, Karen?
It does.
I just got a response from the lawyer, and now she's on maternity leave.
So it's been a two-year process.
I've been sick.
She's been sick.
So I'm feeling like I just need to redo it.
And maybe she's not the best attorney, you know, at this time.
Yeah, I mean, maternity leaves are great.
I'm fine with that.
But if you're, if somebody's going on maternity leave,
you need to get somebody else to work on the case in the meantime, or the case could go abandoned.
So they need to, you know, there's maternity leaves, there's paternity leaves, there's vacations, there's, you know, there's sick,
people get sick, you know, things happen, whatever the case is.
So you kind of want to touch base with someone else and get somebody else to watch over those cases while you're going through difficulties.
You know, I had a client come in, horrible situation, like client comes in and all IP, all these IP assets are dead.
They're like, I don't understand, like, what happened?
Well, the guy died.
You can't exactly blame him.
He's like, raise him from the dead and then yell at him.
He's like, you know, come back, wake up, Lazarus, rise up.
What happened to my trademark?
What is that about?
All right, never mind, go back to sleep.
You can't really do that, right?
I mean, I guess it's an option as a Christian, but, you know, it's not something most people do.
So the point of the matter is, in your case, it may just be that you just filed a new application.
You know, if you want, I can actually, this is not legal advice.
There's my disclaimer, not legal advice.
Cheers.
I can actually type right now your trademark and tell you if it's dead, dead, or just semi-dead.
Yeah, it's A-T-A-P.
Oh, I looked up yours already.
Yeah, I actually, I think I, didn't you email me on this?
Yes.
Oh, yeah, I already looked up your stuff.
Yeah, you're dead, dead.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'll do it.
I'll do it live with you.
Yeah, I review all those emails, and then I double check to see if there's other stuff we can do.
So I'll look it up again.
So A, was it A-T-A-P?
Yes, all things are possible, lowercase.
I don't know if that matters.
Not really.
And then education.
Yeah, I remember I looked this up, I think it was like two days ago.
You confirmed that it was dead, dead, and I couldn't find it when I typed it in.
He's mistaken.
It's still alive.
I'm getting a young Frankenstein over here.
Oh, come on. Now it's acting up the USPTO website.
All things are possible, so we tap.
Brittany said, it's only mostly dead.
Yes, that's Princess Bride, Princess Bride, we're good.
Come on, Princess Bride.
I love VIP, it's so good.
You're like, let everything loose over here.
All right, so all things are possible, there it is.
A tap, all things are possible.
All right, I'm gonna share my screen.
It's only mostly dead.
Hold on a second.
What?
No, no, no, no.
All right, hold it.
I'm gonna show you something here
that actually may be good news.
It looks like the site was updated.
I'm gonna show you something here.
Tempted apparel?
Nope.
It's not, all right, I'm gonna show you something here.
You need to explain.
You guys ever watch,
I Love Lucy?
Yeah.
You got some splaining to do, all right?
Let me, I'm gonna share my screen here.
You got some splaining to do.
Okay, I'll make this bigger.
You gotta explain to me what I'm looking at here
because according to the USPTO, what?
Incognito, I don't want incognito.
Hold on.
So mine is ATAP education.
Yeah, I know, but I just wanted to show you something here.
Here's an ATAP, all things are possible.
You see that?
Yes.
Were you aware of these guys?
My attorney had said that there was somebody in apparel
and somebody in something else
that were not education related.
They weren't in my classification.
Yeah, I just wanted to show you that.
I was like, what?
Where'd that come from?
All right, so all things are possible.
Let's look to see if we could see your dead records.
All things are possible.
There's two all things are possible here.
All things are possible, there it is.
All things are possible, ATAP education.
Found it.
That's me.
That's you.
Mwah, mwah, mwah.
Yay, that's me.
Okay, but here's the thing.
That is you, but see that?
Yeah.
You know, so yeah.
He said, no, so good.
All right, so if you click on that, TSDR,
look at the status of your case.
Yeah, it says abandoned.
All right, so I'm just gonna make this bigger
so you can see what happened in your case.
Here, and in fact, you know what I'll do?
Let me back up real quick.
This is for everybody.
Once you pull up a trademark, click on TSDR up here.
We went through this once before,
but just click on that TSDR.
Then you can scroll down
and you can see what happened to the case.
There's a status.
Abandoned because the applicant failed to respond
or filed a late response to an office action.
Okay, so if I look at your documents,
there's the office action that came up against you.
And in your, are you okay with me doing this live?
Okay, cool.
I didn't wanna like make you feel bad or something.
All right, so this was like February 2nd, 2019.
Ah, you had a likelihood of confusion rejection.
That's not fun.
Let's see.
Because of the other businesses?
Yeah, registration number 4715727.
Let's see, they're saying that they look similar
to all things are possible.
Oh, there's another all things are possible.
You're saying that you're very similar.
So you actually had to provide legal arguments
as to why yours are different in light of the similarities,
closely related nature of the goods.
Wow, it's getting really dark outside.
It's a storm coming.
I'm at the lake right now.
I thought you were talking about my mark.
No, no, no.
It's talking about a dead mark.
All of a sudden, a storm's coming.
Like, how did I joke you?
All right, let's see.
Mark description.
All right, so your mark description needed help.
You had to do a disclaimer of the word education.
That's fine.
Who cares?
It's not a big deal.
Oh, you lost your T-status too.
Yeah, they messed up.
They messed up.
All right, so I'm gonna show you a trademark
that actually, the reason why you got rejected.
It's because of control V.
Serial number, registration number, submit query.
This is why.
Oh yeah, it's on education and entertainment services.
yeah and before mine august 2014 yeah it was filed august 2014
and you're saying that they first used it 2007
well i used it mine in 2000 and uh let's say 1996 is when i started using it
yeah you should have filed right away then you would have been good remember it's a first
to file system so they got a registration before you wow so i have to i mean change everything
the good part well i mean remember like common law okay common law still exists right so i mean
if you're trying to grow then you got a problem because now now you're i'm just saying in general
right in general if somebody has a federal registration another party another party's
been using that trademark for an elongated period of time well under common law they should be able
to use it in a specific geographical region in which they've been using it right in interstate
commerce um as long as they've been using it prior to the one who gets federal registration
if they started using it afterwards that's a problem so the name has been used since 1996
the logo has been used since 2013
well looking at your logo let's go to your logo
adding sound effects so as we're doing things people
peter's gonna make me start pulling graphics with sound effects
clearing the path all right here we go uh let's look up
all things are possible
a dot t dot stop there what just happened well i couldn't find any of this when i looked it up
i know why it's doing that i know why it's because it's looking at the punctuation it's having
problems fine you're working with the punctuation all right so here's your
trademark one more time there it is there all things are possible a tap so
your logo actually has the words in it so that that's a problem
yeah so again not legal advice but you should consult the lawyer if you're going to continue
using those words because or even a tap because that's an abbreviation for that and i wouldn't
want you to get in trouble for that wow even though i've had it since 1996 well you again
under common law you if a party has been using it multiple years prior to somebody gets federal
registration they can continue in their specific geographical region but you just said that the
logo is new so if your logo is new then your logo may post date them if your logo post dates them
you can run the problems even though your name predates them right so so it's a very actually
it's a very interesting situation um this is actually a situation your situation is one i
would actually use on a final exam quite frankly because all things are possible you should be
able to continue using all things are possible because you already use it right in 1996 which
predates but that but now you're placing it in a different medium you're placing it into a logo
so the question is do you need to stop using it in the logo since the logo is new but the
logo includes the words that were used previously so therefore is the logo
okay because it uses words that predate technically again i i i intentionally do
not give legal advice here because what happens is there's one or two things that somebody doesn't
say and then they rely upon it and they're like but you you know and you could have somebody
relying upon something but not knowing the whole situation you don't want that but it but i'm just
going to say in general let's say that there was the nike solution named nike and i've been using
nike wow it is there's like a storm coming in um so i'll actually move the camera so you guys can
see what the outside is like it's pretty amazing right now so the situation is that if i if i've
been using the name nike and then nike comes along and they file for registration i create a logo
and that logo has the name nike on it i should be able to continue using nike because i've been
using nike already even though it's a new a new logo it's using the name that i've been using
already the question is are they going to say well the logo is a new use and so you should have your
lawyer look into that to see whether or not the logo would be considered a new use personally i
would argue it's not i mean in my case i would argue it's the same name that i was using before
I'm still using it, but the opposing party is going to say,
well, it's a different use.
You're using it as a logo.
You're not using it as a word mark.
And so it's a new use.
And now that's a legal battle.
So, I mean, the long and short of it is it's unfortunate.
You had an application in there.
It got rejected.
Whoa! A lightning bolt just like, did you hear that?
It just like right there.
All right.
We're moving off of Karen's question because like apparently the world is ending
with her question.
Horses are moving on this.
I'm telling you, man, like the storm's getting closer as I keep talking to you, Karen.
What's going on here?
Hey, hey, it's Psalm 18.
God is coming in thunder and lightning and clouds.
And he's answering.
He's hearing my cry.
Yeah, he's hearing something.
I just don't want to get hit by his answer.
But yeah, in your specific situation, I would talk to an attorney.
And the question I would ask is the new use for the new use, it's using a word that I had
before. So is it the case that since it's using a word that I had before, I can continue
using the word that I had before?
Personally, I would argue yes.
But you should double check with your attorney just to make sure that, you know, all the
I's are dotted and the T's across so you don't get in trouble because you already
clearly have a problem with another party that has, you know, has a filing.
So that's what the USPTO said in their own record.
So but I think your answers really fall into the area or anybody's answer in a situation
like this would be like common law.
And what do you do in this common law situation?
It's unique.
Those are two very unique questions.
Axel's and Karen's very unique.
You guys give me another question like that and we're done for the day.
Do we understand ourselves here?
I'm just kidding. We have Janine and and Krishna were from yesterday as well.
OK, thank you.
Krishna, you're up. And and I was also.
Yeah. Hi, everybody.
Peter, this is a really easy question.
OK. So I don't think it qualifies, qualifies for lightning or, you know, storms.
But it vaguely relates to the last one where if the content is about educational and
informational items.
And it's on things like Instagram, Facebook, YouTube.
You know how they have these little share buttons on all of them.
Oh, yeah. Who owns that content?
Wow. That's a great question.
This is going to take a little while, guys.
But this is important to cover.
OK, so.
The creator of the content originally writes, I've had a few people ask me, why don't
you go live in Facebook?
We're going to hit that answer right now.
Right. Some people are like it'd be so much easier.
You wouldn't have to do video editing.
You can just do it. You know what these other people are doing.
Whenever anything you put on Facebook, Facebook owns, to be clear, anything you put on
there, they automatically have a certain right to it.
That means they can take your content, they can package it, they can sell it.
They feel that what you're doing is valuable.
They can package it themselves and they can sell it.
All right. So if you're doing like channel challenges and somebody sees the content and
goes, man, this stuff that, you know, Brittany's doing is this is good.
Like, let's grab the last five days, put it into a package and let's offer it for sale.
Created by Facebook.
You can't stop them.
Right, because in that original agreement that you signed with Facebook, it says that
you give them certain rights to use anything that you published on there.
How do you think it is that you get your birthday when it comes to your birthday?
You get this video that plays that has your pictures, has your text messages to other
people. It has like memos.
It has all sorts of stuff.
And you're like, oh, that's so cool.
But something inside of you should go.
How in the world did these guys just harvest my material?
Like. What was that about?
It's because you gave them a non-exclusive license to do that.
So that's why I don't go live into Facebook.
OK, that's why what I do is I go live into Zoom.
Zoom doesn't obtain any rights.
They just have a non-exclusive license associated with holding the material.
They can't grab it and do anything with it.
And so but there are certain platforms along the line of what Chris is talking about.
There are certain platforms that obtain legal rights to what you're doing.
If you.
I was just thinking about something. I'm trying to figure out if the window in the living
room is open right now. It is raining really hard.
Go look at it. We'll wait. Are you guys okay with that? Give me one minute.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go, go, go. I'll be right back.
Yeah, protectors. We're the protectors.
I just want to double check. I'll be right back.
Wow, look at that chair. We work so, so much. I've never even got to see that.
I don't even know what rain looks like. California is so rain-starved.
Oh, man. Where, Putter, California?
Los Angeles.
Oh, my son was born there.
Yeah, it's like eternal spring, if it's a coastal desert, that is.
Eternal spring in a coastal desert.
Right. I was born in Palm Springs. I live in Hawaii now.
Oh, that sounds even more beautiful.
It is so hard to have a bad day when you walk outside.
So, you're like California with rain.
Yeah, well, actually, on the island that I'm on, I'm on the driest side of the island,
and the winds block the hurricanes. I'm on the safest side of Maui, so it's a pretty
good location. But if I want rain, I hop on an island over. It's a 35-minute flight,
and I go stay with my sisters. They're like in the jungle.
So, if you want to avoid the rain, you have to be in Maui?
Yeah.
Okay, got it.
Thank you, guys. My windows were open, so thank you.
Oh, nice.
Appreciate you.
Good save.
Since I live on a lake, maybe tomorrow I'll actually turn the camera so you guys
can see it all. It's really beautiful.
Actually, God showed me the place in a dream, and it's amazing how I ended up
on the property. Just absolutely a miracle that manifested.
But I'll show it to you guys tomorrow, not during this massive storm.
So, these storms come right off of the lake, like full speed, and they come up
like winds 90 miles an hour sometimes and just tear up things.
And so, yeah, we got to be careful.
Anyways, thank you.
So, all right.
So, when I was talking about Krishna's question, what you want to do
is figure out what is the medium in which you are allowing your material
to be positioned, right?
Like, where are you placing it?
Is it TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, Vimeo, wherever it is?
Now, technically, the creator of the original work is supposed to be
the one who owns it.
But there's certain forums that the second you place it into their forum,
they get a non-exclusive license to it.
Now, that doesn't mean you lose your own rights.
It just means that you may not be able to stop them from using that material.
Okay?
So, that's the first part.
Now, there's another part to this, because one of you actually asked me
this question before.
The other question is, what if I grab material from, like, Canva
or from Shutterstock or from some other facility?
I'm grabbing images and I'm using those images in my funnel.
Do I technically now have rights to the funnel?
Or, you know, like, what happens if I'm using somebody else's work
in my work?
You've got to look at the license agreements.
I mean, that's the answer to it.
You have to look at it.
Canva has specific provisions that talk about what you can
and can't do with their material.
Shutterstock, same thing.
So, you need to read those provisions and find out.
Now, in the protection portal that I offered to you guys,
we go through all this stuff.
Like, we dig in.
These people are nerds.
Like, it's awesome.
Like, we dig in.
When we find, like, certain provisions for certain platforms,
we publish them.
Like, we share them with each other.
And we actually go into detail on a lot of this stuff.
So, the answer to, you know, who actually owns this,
Chris, now is it's supposed to be the artist.
But in the process of making that available to others,
other people might have obtained rights to it in that process
without the artist actually realizing it.
So, now all of a sudden, there's, like,
three other parties that have legal rights to it
and you can't stop them.
It's not so much the platforms, Peter.
It's when other people are sharing it.
And I think the strategy should be to only share
on these platforms the things you're willing to give,
you know, and allow it to go viral, basically.
Well, you can share.
I mean, sharing is not...
Like, let's say I create a video on TikTok, right?
And I share it with you.
I own it.
Now, now that you have it, you're not the original...
of it. You can't modify it, you can't do anything with it. Now
you can share it with other people because that platform
makes it so you can share it with other people. But
technically, I'm the original creator, so I own it. You know,
you don't own it, you can share it with others. I mean, it begs
the question of, in a social media platform, if I have the
ability to share copyrighted works, just by the mere fact
that the platform is created to allow sharing, do I actually,
what are the chances of my winning in a copyright lawsuit
against another party when I shared my own material with that
party on a platform that's intended to share? Yeah. You
know, it's like, not very good. You know, now, because that's
what the platform is created for. But now if I take that
work, and I modify it, and I create a derivative work, now
you got more of a copyright infringement issue. Because
you're modifying the original work. You know, there's no
attribution. Like when I share, you still see the original
video. You don't, you don't see modifications to it. If you
start modifying my video, now that becomes a copyright
infringement issue. Right. But technically, the fact of the
matter is the only people who can actually share a copyrighted
work are the people who have who own it. Right. So if I, I
have a copyright gives you the right to distribute, to make
copies to make derivatives. Well, what's Facebook all about?
Sharing? Yeah, every time you share something, every time that
you share something, there's thing called cash on your
computer. Cash makes copies. So technically, every single time
that is being shared by a party that's not the original party,
that's copyright infringement. But the platform's created for
that. So if you're on the platform, your chances of
winning decrease, because you knew it when you put it there.
And that's what the platform's for. So
I guess you just have to see it as a PR play. Do you know, like,
like, I'll give you a specific example. Jordan Peterson does
these amazing talks. And there's other people that just clip and
paste bits of his YouTube video into their own compilations. Do
you know? Oh, yeah. So it's, it's just fair game, then they're
just going to make revenue off Jordan. It's just the way that
it's the way that the platform I mean, look at tick tock, you can
actually split the screen and put yourself next to the
person. Yes, you know, and you can grab somebody else's audio
by playing their video and clicking the circle, the little
record. On the bottom right, you can grab their audio, put their
audio on your video with somebody else's video playing
there. That's like double copyright infringement. But
that's what tick tock is. So you it's, it's a if what you did was
you went into a bad part of town at three in the morning, with
money falling out of your pockets, and said, you know,
does anybody here have crack, even though you intended, you
know, like a bone fragment, because you work in a segment
for healing bones, you're going to run the problems. And so
that's just, it's a product, it's the nature of where you
are in your environment. So there are there are clear laws,
but then there is can you enforce the law. And that's
something that you learn more about, you know, over time as
you're, as you're engaged in this. So, all right, let me
take you. Yeah, let me take on your list yesterday. Who do you
mean? We really haven't heard from her in a while. I think
Connie was on the list too, right? Yes.
Let Janine go first.
All right, Janine. Good. I mean, you're really far away in San
Francisco. So you know,
yes. I mean, I'm in Cleveland, Ohio, but I like the San
Francisco Bridge.
That works. That works.
My question kind of built off of the previous person. I wanted
to know if you, if you, I'm a hairstylist and an accountant.
And if we post, if I post stuff on IG and Facebook, like a
technique, I'd still own that, right? That's my, do I still own
that?
You said a technique.
Technique.
Yeah. All right. Techniques. The question you have to ask is, is
the technique protectable in and of itself? So you're a
hairstylist. So I'm assuming you have certain techniques that you
utilize as a hairstylist, correct?
Yes.
So that makes people come after you because you know that
technique. So people
want that technique.
Techniques are not protectable on the trademark.
The technique's not protectable on the copyrights.
It would have to be a method that is protectable
on their patent, and you would have to own that technique.
But that would be a certain method.
So let's say that you use a certain type of machine
or a certain type of blow dryer
or a certain type of curling thing or whatever it is,
and there was a time sequence associated with it,
whatever it is, you would have to actually own that,
that method, file a patent on that method
if it was patentable.
And then if you put it on Instagram, your method,
then you would, when you post it on Instagram,
you would put down the patent number.
So everybody knows, hey, you know,
hey, check out this new method that I use.
I've protected it on the patent law.
Now, methods in general that are able to be done
by a human being without using machines
and systems like that, electronics,
typically are not allowed by the patent office.
So you got to figure out whether or not
your technique is unique enough
to actually protect by patent.
Now, one strategy that people use,
I think I'll touch base on this tomorrow,
what some people will do is they will file
more than one provisional patent application.
So they can say, instead of saying patent pending,
which can scare the competition away,
they say patents pending.
People don't know if that means two or 40.
They have no idea.
Because after you file your application,
it's confidential for 16 months after filing.
And you can actually request
that it remains confidential the entire time.
But if you do that,
then I'm really giving you a lot of data here.
So I don't want to make you guys drown.
But if you request not to ever publish your application,
unless it issues, you can't foreign file
using the same priority date.
So I just said that I probably confused half of you,
but the whole point is don't just select not to publish
unless you know you're not going to file that patent
in a foreign country.
You only stay in the United States.
If you only stay in the United States,
then file your application and select non-publication
all day long, you're fine.
No problem.
And then another question was,
if I have my IT person building my website
and I am structuring a portal for text clients
to upload their documents and stuff,
do I send her a letter saying that,
yes, you're building this for me,
but I own the rights to this portal?
Anything that anybody builds for us,
anytime we always want them to assign
all rights, title and interest to us, always.
So anytime for everybody here,
if we ever get a third party to work for us
to build anything, I hereby assign all rights,
title and interest over to XYZ Corporation
or to TJ Ward or whatever it is.
Now, if your name's not TJ Ward,
you don't want to assign all rights, title and interest
to TJ Ward, okay?
I'm just saying in general,
you put your name down the dotted line
so that people know that.
All right, I'm going to answer one more question
and then tomorrow we're going to have another day together.
So, Tracy, did I answer a question from you?
I have, right?
Well, you have, but I mean, if Connie,
I mean, I was saying my name-
Connie was yesterday, so I want to go to Connie.
Okay, all right, cool.
All right, Connie, you're up.
One question, my friend.
Actually, you just answered by answering the other girl.
Okay, awesome.
See, that happens, that happens.
Which means we go back to Tracy, come on, Tracy.
It was meant to happen, you notice that?
It was meant to happen.
Praise the Lord.
Okay, thank you so much.
Okay, so I'm writing this book, I have this idea,
I'm glad we can just speak a little more freely here.
I think it was from the Lord, anyway.
So I sing and I just had this idea,
okay, sorry, I'm going to jump back and forth now
because I didn't think I'd get on.
My memoirs are about a lot of difficult things
we walked through, a lot of trauma, yada, yada.
And so, I mean, the Lord asked, I'm like,
He asked me to write it because I didn't want to write it.
And so, but I'm on board.
But so I've been told, I've seen, yeah.
So yeah, I'm writing the book, but the singing,
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
I he's just done something with my voice like I don't know people like weep and get you know like
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
he just he's done something with my voice and so it occurred to me that maybe I could record
um this is very private I don't know anybody's ever done this but um record uh my voice um
you know just at home and like and I and I realized the other day what's got to be public
domain duh and so but I mostly sing hymns I mean not in public but I sing hymns and so I just
thought I wanted to do literally like a free somehow set up a free download whoever wants to
access it just to bless people sort of like a first fruits first fruits thing what you're
talking about songs or you're just talking about talking no I'm talking about songs singing hymns
so songs are protectable by copyright audio recordings are protectable copyright video
recordings are protectable by copyright all those are protectable by copyright so you're saying I
could I could protect I could copyright my stuff is that what you're saying is that what your point
if you're not reading somebody else's copyrighted work if you're reading somebody else's copyrighted
work that's copyright infringement yeah no I'm talking only about recording my voice probably
only my voice I don't know that I even have music and and using public domain music
sure so you just want to make sure that whatever the the the music that you're working off of
make sure that's not copyrighted like you know that the copyrights have expired they're old
they're dead um right otherwise otherwise you run into a problem where you're committing
copyright infringement so if I right you know I see the latest song by no I understand
yeah and I start singing that a I scare people away no no anyways um you know a um oh you heard
the preview okay no no my I'm talking about myself no I'm just kidding I don't know about you
you know so I just got to make sure that whatever I'm singing is not somebody else's work if I'm
singing somebody else's work I could be committing copyright infringement because nobody else has
the right to do that yeah no I mean if I'm singing in my own house that's one thing but if I'm
recording it and now somebody can you know that there can be some kind of financial gain on that
or copies of that are being made and you know I could run into problems so right and so I and I
don't even know I'd want to get the copyright on something because that I if it's if I want it to
be out there and I want to be able to free to to do whatever I want with it then just staying all
right is probably safest right I'm actually going to close on this and then tomorrow we'll go to TJ
first um so people ask me all the time should I protect this like okay copyrights are available
patents are available trademarks copyrights they're all available that's great should I do this because
I want the public to actually use it that's what they say they're like I want the public to be
able to use this well here's the thing if you own it then you can allow the public to use it if you
don't own it somebody else can come along claim ownership to whatever it is and then stop everybody
from using something so this is why companies like Google like Microsoft and others will obtain all
these software patents and then they'll provide them available to others through open source
let's say look we've got all these patents these are available to you to use any way you want
okay and you can actually look this up like they do this like people don't realize this companies
will protect technology and because they're they're so they're so focused on making sure
the public can use this now there's an ulterior motive that many of them have that many of you
may not be aware of um because let's say as an example um all right I'm going to give you a
really simple example okay say as an example I have these this is a phone right this is my um
my Samsung phone right so I own the patent on this there's three years left okay so now I look like
a celebrity when I go to you guys and I say guys I'm gonna make this patent available for all of
you for the next three years you can make these all you want this is public domain and all you
guys are like oh my gosh Samsung is so sweet they're incredible we love those guys in the
back end they're creating apps that they're going to charge you for in the back end they're creating
these packages that are going to hold the phone they're creating all these other things so are
they being
nice. Yes, absolutely. But they have other plans. The other
plans are they have other things that they're selling that are
going to support the thing that they're giving you to free,
because this thing is about to expire. So they just opened up
a whole brand new market by looking like a superstar. You're
spending just as much money on all the other products. Like
people don't realize this, like they're, they're not they're not
dummies. So that that's what basically happens. So in your
situation, you know, if the question is, well, do I need to
file copyright? Do I not need to file copyright? If you want to
stop other people from actually copying your stuff, then you
should have a copyright. All right. If you want to maintain
it as free, so anybody can utilize it and not actually grab
your stuff and then stop others from utilizing it. You can do
that through a copyright for 65 bucks.
Yeah. And if it's associated with a with a book, I just have
to, I guess I've, I don't have to, so there's nothing else I
would have to worry about, I guess, then, right? Probably.
The book in and of itself on the copyright law, books are books
are protectable on the copyright, the images are
protectable on the copyright. Those are two different filings,
though, one can be filed for the image, one can be filed for the
text. Because they're, they're different things. The name, you
know, it'd have to be a series, then it'd be protectable by
trademark. But I mean, besides that, you know, if I've got a
song, and it's an original work, the original song, the lyrics
are protectable by copyright, the audio recording is
protectable by copyright. Copyright is so powerful, people
don't realize that there's so many things that are
protectable by copyright, they have no idea, there's a lot of
things that are protectable by copyright. So um, you know, I'm
not and just to be clear, so everybody hears me here, I'm not
telling you spend a ton of money on protecting everything. That's
not what I'm saying. I'm saying figure out out of your list.
After you've given your thanks, figure out on your list, which
things are important, and which things do I go after first, and
then you can figure out your budgets and you know, take care
of them. All right. And with that, my friend, you're so
welcome. I am going to close here for today. Tomorrow, we
start out with TJ, who will be done with that cigar. You know,
is it you're not going to be done by then? No, no. That's so
good. And so yeah, hopefully this is helping all of you.
We're, we're digging very deep in VIP. I hope you guys see
that, like we're going through a lot of input, real life
implementation. And hopefully this is helping all of you out.
So do me a favor, go live in the Facebook group, kind of touch
base, let people know, hey, in VIP, we're covering this, we're
covering that. So they get a good idea of what goes on in
there. Because typically, we get about 50-60% of the people will
jump into VIP. This time we had around 50%. But what I find is a
lot of people who are in the normal challenge, they don't
find out about the advantages of VIP until like day four, day
five. And then they they get really depressed. Larissa is
I see this like they get really depressed. Like no, like, I
wanted to do VIP. I just didn't understand it. So if you guys go
live and you explain your experience in VIP, then we can
take those videos so they can understand it beforehand. And we
will stop depression. We will make their lives easier because
they'll understand what happens here. Because they they usually
find out around day three, day four. And then they're like, I
wanted to do that. When can I do it? I'm like, in three months.
They're like, No, I have a company. I want to do it now.
Well, it's $600 an hour. No. So yeah. So anyways, bless you
guys. You guys are amazing. I really enjoyed doing this with
you. Larissa. Yes.
Um, tomorrow, I Teresa just asked a question about why it's
important on either copyrights or trademarks to still get a
lawyer. Like I know,
we can touch base tomorrow.
Yep, that's fine. We're gonna close close today. Perfect.
Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, we can actually start out with that.
Matter of fact, I'm just facing is open here. Okay, yeah. Yeah.
So we can we can actually open up with that Teresa tomorrow.
You know what, I actually like to bring that into the main
group, because that's actually a really good question. So maybe
tomorrow, I'll start out by, you know, if you're okay with,
I can highlight you. And you can ask that question. And I can
answer that question. Otherwise, you know, I can just answer it
on myself. All right. May we see things related to provisional
application tomorrow? related to provisional application?
What do you mean by related, Axel?
I mean, just things, for example,
that are related to patents or provision.
You mean like examples of patents?
Yes, because I know that, as you said,
there's a difference between a full patent,
I mean, an actual patent, and a provision application.
So in the process, if I would like to apply
or file a provision application, I will need to know,
I mean, it's a need to know how, or, I mean, strategies,
because if this provision application will be used next
for the, I mean, in the future for the actual patent,
there are certain things that, for sure, I need to,
I mean, that should be taken into account.
Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that we go into
in the portal.
That's that day-to-day grind that we do.
We spend like an hour and a half digging into fine details
of exactly, you know, in a provisional patent application,
in this part of the provisional patent application,
can you copy and paste that
into the utility patent application?
The drawings that are provided there,
do you need to do this with the drawings or the claims?
You need a claim in a provisional,
like even to the point of like in the background,
when you talk about what's called prior art,
do you put that in the background section
or do you put it in the summary section
or the detailed description section?
Because if you put it in the detailed description section,
then you're admitting that there's prior art
that can be used against you in a court of law.
Like we go into so much stuff.
People don't really realize that that protection portal is,
it's a year long process so that all the stuff
that you guys have learned over five days,
we would take like several sessions
to kind of slowly dig into that,
to make sure everybody gets everything piece by piece.
It's nonstop questions, it's interactive the entire time
and people just, their companies grow very fast through that.
So that's the kind of question that we would answer
in the protection portal.
Yes, Larissa.
And we have a Facebook group.
So like we help each other in a protection portal,
the comments and all that.
Right, the protection, pretty much the majority
of the people that go into the protection portal
come out of VIP because what happens is
the VIP experience essentially is like protection portal
on adrenaline.
Like it's because there's so much stuff
that's going on so fast, but we take more time,
we provide more documents, more feedback.
There's like follow-ups,
the people interact with each other,
they share their own resources.
It's basically like a powerhouse network
of like people that become elite in this.
Like Karen Hudson's in there, John Umstead's in there,
Rowena's in there.
We've got business owners that are in there as well.
And then we've got startups,
people that are just starting out in coaching
that are there where the more senior coaches
are helping them out.
So it's a very powerful network.
It's very humbling to be involved in that quite frankly,
because these guys are just incredibly smart.
And so they help each other.
So also from what I understood in this challenge,
I understood that there was going to be like
you showing how to search for prior art in patent.
Oh yeah, that was I understood.
Yeah, we still have one whole day to go.
Okay, thank you.
Yeah, we're doing patent searching tomorrow.
Thank you.
And let's see, tomorrow,
we're gonna go through that scenario again,
and then kind of bring it all together as one.
So I'm gonna show everybody how to use the USPTO website
to do a patent search.
There's a tricky part to it that it involved,
that's why I keep that day for that.
But it also goes into the incorporation of copyright law
and trademark law and patents, I bring it all together.
So, all right, my friends, I am going to jump,
oh, what does that say?
How long is the Facebook page,
the challenge open for us to access?
Okay, Tracy just asked a really good question.
Okay, so this is the way it works.
The people that are in a challenge get it for 30 days,
you get it for 90 days, right?
And then what happens is after that 90 days,
the people are moved,
if they go into the protection portal, they stay,
like they can do whatever they want,
but they move into,
I put the people into what's called an alumni group, right?
And the alumni group,
like people can interact with each other,
but the people that go into the protection portal
have access to everything for a full year.
So all of your videos, your challenge videos.
all of your VIP videos, access for the full year.
Now, what some people have been doing
when I first started this, they reached out and they said,
I don't wanna stop having access to my stuff, I need it.
And so they say, can I get lifetime membership?
So that's something that I told people about after,
but step one is jumping into the portal
because the portal is where all the resources are
and there's other options that are available in there.
So let's see, I know I need this
for women I'll be working with.
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of people that go into the portal
also are speaking into the lives of others.
And so they use all these resources to help other people.
So they just, they kind of, what happens is
you'll get a Karen Hudson who comes in
or a Kristen who comes in and says,
I was coaching the last month,
these are the questions I ran into.
What do I do in this situation?
Like Kristen will send me like eight questions
and they're very detailed.
And I go, these are for your clients, aren't these?
She says, yes, they are.
And I said, that's fine, bring them in.
Because what happens is as I'm reviewing them for you,
somebody else is gonna learn.
So I have no problem answering the questions that you have
and the questions that are for your people
because as I'm answering a question for Cecil,
Samuel's gonna learn something
and then Samuel's gonna help somebody
and Samuel's gonna ask the question
and Axel's gonna go, oh, I didn't even know that.
Or we'll have what happened tonight
where we had Connie had a question,
but as I was answering the question for somebody else,
Connie's like, they just answered my question.
And that's what happens in that group
is everybody gets leveled up.
I call them armored up entrepreneurs.
That's what I call them because they're just,
it's a whole other level.
These people are totally armored up,
but they bring the questions for their communities in.
And then now all of a sudden like Anne McDonald,
Anne McDonald is a coach
and she's also ridiculously brilliant
and a large number of high ticket things.
So she'll call me up and say,
hey, I got a client that's got this.
What would you do?
And I'll tell her, well, this is not legal advice.
And then she'd drink.
And then that's what happens every time.
Then she'd drink and then I answer her question
because, I mean, I just provide it as a courtesy
for, you know, to honor you guys
because you guys have a calling on your own lives.
Like you're speaking into the lives of many other people.
And if you're doing songwriting, book writing,
you know, patents, whatever it is,
you're gonna be stewarding other people.
So if I can steward you well,
that means you're gonna be stewarding them well.
So we're helping thousands of people
through the hundreds of people that are coming through.
And that'll grow to thousands to tens of thousands
and then tens of thousands to millions.
And that's the hope is to transform the legal profession
so people are not so intimidated
that they intentionally do not learn anything.
That's my hope is to transform the legal profession
by training all of you in parts of what I know
so that you become more effective, right?
And with that, I'm gonna jump off.
If you have questions about the Protection Portal,
let me know.
Again, this opportunity does not exist.
I don't need to be doing this.
I could just bill 600 bucks an hour.
I'm doing this because you guys are growing.
You need the help.
You need the support.
I've seen it.
Because you're gonna call me and you're gonna say,
here's my situation.
And at that point, it's 600 an hour.
So there is no legal advice there.
Just to be clear,
I'm not gonna tell you exactly what to do in your scenario.
That's not gonna happen.
That, you need a lawyer.
That, you'd have to hire me for.
That's different.
But I give so much guidance.
What we've been doing
so you can understand what to do in your scenario.
And with that, I'm gonna jump off.
And Larissa, I'll leave it.
Are you still here?
I'm here.
You are, there you are.
And I'll leave it to you.
Bless you guys.
You're amazing.
You are learning so much.
You'll see an email went out to you.
I love you too, Teresa.
You're awesome.
Love you too.
You'll see you got an email that has a review.
It's a review form.
You don't need to use that until like day five
when we're done.
And tomorrow I'm going to reveal another surprise
that I'm giving you.
All right.
It's gonna be short.
It's gonna be on Saturday if you want it.
Okay.
But, well, you guys are VIP.
I'll give you guys a preview.
I'm gonna train you
on how to do trademark searches for logos.
Okay.
A lot of people have no idea.
They're like, how do you search?
How do you search a picture?
People have no clue.
And so I'm gonna do a quick training
for a half hour on Saturday,
at same time, 12 o'clock Eastern.
We'll actually put.
something up tomorrow so people know about it.
I'm just throwing this in for you
because I really feel like if you're trying to,
if you come up with a new logo
and you don't know how to search it,
you can run into problems too.
So I'll show you how to do a search there too.
All right?
All right, my friends.
I'm gonna let you go.
I'm really leaving now.
I'm really leaving.
I'm really, I'm really leaving.
What are like six goodbyes?
Like the end of Ferris Bueller.
Are you still here?
It is.
Oh, good.
I bless you guys.
I'll leave the rest to doing what she does.
Take care.
God bless you.
Thank you.
God bless you too.
Oh, bless you all VIPers.