hey hey family hope you are doing great out there all around the world it is
awesome to be here with you tonight I'm delighted with that with all of you guys
I'm loving this journey and it's a real real privilege to be here with you
tonight always already see some good discussion going on about the questions
for tonight so I am looking forward to seeing where it all goes and what people
are thinking about and what is on our hearts together as a family and
processing all of these big thoughts so welcome Janet I see you there whether
you are joining us live or whether you're going to join us for the delayed
I'm sure you are going to have a really valuable time tonight or whenever it is
that you listen in and get get the great content that's going to come out tonight
Robert I see you there from South Africa and Dean from the north
Kia Ora, Kia Ora, Kia Ora all my people love you very much and it truly is an honor to be
sharing life together and looking forward to what's going to happen
tonight so how about we just spend some time engaging with the Lord and and then
look at that Angela you made it in time to have a good conversation it's going
to be great chats tonight so give me a thumbs up if you're there tonight's a
really interactive night Jan delightful to see you there very cool so just give
me a say hello if you're out there whether you're joining live or delayed
just say hello to Neil wonderful to see you there I think we're going to have a
lot of fun tonight on this on this adventure tonight to Neil really a
delight to have you joining us too well let's let's just jump in and pray and
see what happens why don't you join me in praying wherever you are whether
you're joining live or delayed it's amazing seeing how the Holy Spirit works
through these through these videos even the delayed people are having awesome
encounters with the presence the Spirit of God is really touching people that
river of life that we carry flows through these videos whether they are
live or delayed so really really exciting what God's doing so why don't
you join me and pray with me let's start praying in the spirit and then see what
the Holy Spirit wants to do as we pray in tongues together but once again
welcome welcome welcome I love you all very much this family is a true delight
and I really really have been blessed by this journey and this it's awesome to
share it with you so let's pray
hey if you do get a word of the Holy Spirit gives you a word why don't you
type that in as well we'd love to hear what God is saying through everyone
tonight
holy spirit right now we just come and we lay aside our own agendas we lay
aside our own thoughts and we lay aside distractions right now we come and we
engage with you in spirit and in truth right now and we set our attention wholly
on you we ask that you lead us we ask that you guide us and we ask that you
would speak to us powerfully tonight we ask that your thoughts would be our
thoughts we ask that your heart would be our heart we ask that your wisdom would
be our wisdom we ask for an activation in a manifestation of the mind of Christ
tonight Lord touch us with your presence touch us with your word touch us with
your spirit and Holy Spirit I ask that you you speak life into the hearts of
every person tonight I ask that you breathe just breathe the atmosphere of
heaven on every one of us tonight in Jesus name we trust you we set our
attention on you we honor you we love you there's no one like you there's
nothing like your presence we love you love you love you
love you. So fill our hearts right now Holy Spirit. Flood our hearts and our
minds with your thoughts, with your heart. We lay ourselves down afresh
tonight. We surrender ourselves before you afresh tonight in Jesus' name. Lord
move among us tonight. Move among us tonight.
E rabo shi ki abarana mamao. Ko ro mana mana mandi arana mamao.
Hey, if the Holy Spirit's giving you a word, why don't you share that? It would be
great to hear what God is saying to you, what words he's giving you, what pictures
he's giving you, what the Holy Spirit's stirring and activating in your heart
would be great to hear from you guys. Why don't you just type in what the Holy
Spirit's doing in you and through you right now.
Ki a rabo rane mi shi arana maao.
Ki a barana mana mandoro mana mamao.
Wao wao wao.
Wao wao wao. You're perfect in all your ways, Holy Spirit.
Hi a ramona mundi arana mamao. Bo bo shi arana maao.
Shion do ru mana babao bo rana mamae.
Kwe ra baba babao bo bo bo rana mama ki arana maao.
E pa po do ru mana mana ma ki arana maao.
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
Nen ba po ru mana barana mi ki arana maao.
Ru kun kun bondora na maao.
Wao, your precious Spirit.
Your precious Spirit is filling this place right now.
Your precious Spirit is filling this place.
Your precious Spirit is flooding this place.
We love you, we honor you, we welcome you, we worship you.
We thank you that tonight, Holy Spirit,
you're just going to breathe life into this conversation.
I thank you that this time together tonight is going to be a time of divine appointment.
I think it's going to be a time of wisdom and revelation.
I thank you that you're releasing a spirit of wisdom and revelation over every person.
I thank you that there's a massive, massive flow of freedom from heaven.
I sense the breath of God.
Just the breath of God, that tangible atmosphere of heaven being breathed over us,
being released over us.
And I see such a flow, such a river of freedom flowing from this time in Jesus' name.
So Holy Spirit, we thank you for the tangible river of your presence.
We thank you for Ezekiel 47, that you spoke of a river.
And everywhere that river went, that river flowed from your presence.
It flowed from your kingdom, it flowed from your throne, it flowed from heaven.
And everywhere that river went, there was life.
And so I prophesy tonight that your presence is life.
Wow, your presence is life.
And we just release that life to flow through us in Jesus' name.
Hey, Jan's got a word.
Just want to see this.
So I had a sense of being beneath a waterfall and Isaiah 511 came to mind.
Thou shalt be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose water fail not.
Thank you, Papa. That's beautiful.
May you just be touched afresh tonight with the river of His presence,
the river of His kindness and His gentleness and His goodness.
May that flow through your heart afresh tonight.
I just really strongly sense the tenderness of Papa, the tenderness of our Father among us tonight.
And so I just release that over you right now as well.
I release the tenderness of God.
I release the gentleness of God to flood your heart afresh, to flood your mind afresh.
Even have the sense as well, just see, basically I sense the Lord is saying that there's someone
that's been having a rough time with condemnation and you've been being hard on yourself in this season
and you've felt like you've had some failures.
To you, they feel like big failures.
To Papa, I think they feel probably, probably look just like little bumps in the road.
But the sense that you've been struggling with condemnation because of those things
that seem like failures to you.
But I just really sense His tenderness and His gentleness coming around you.
And I see Him just lifting up your head.
I see Him taking your shame away.
I see Him wrapping you in a robe of His righteousness and just saying, just really just comforting you.
Just looking at you with eyes that have no judgment in them.
Just looking at you with eyes of love and tenderness and gentleness
and a heart that's wide open, full of embrace, full of never-ending mercies and kindness.
I see Him just embracing you and wrapping you up.
So I release that.
that for everyone that a fresh wave of the tenderness a fresh wave of the
gentleness and the kindness of our Papa in heaven would wash over us and that
his robe of righteousness would clothe our conscience in Jesus name that the
robe of his righteousness would just clothe our conscience would clothe our
mindsets in Jesus name. Janet says she sees a feather and she feels the
softness of God as gentleness we're on a bridge into a we're on a bridge into a
new garden we're traveling over the bridge into a garden that he has
designed for us before the beginning of time that's beautiful struck such a
strong sense tonight of God just drawing us in why don't you just try this right
now as the Lord's kind of initiating an encounter these strong you know even
Isaiah 511 it's like a garden picture with a strong sense of gentleness and
tenderness and kindness and we've also just had Janet's word as well a feather
you don't get much more gentle and tender than a feather the softness of
God the gentleness of God and just drawing us into a garden which is such a
place of rest and such a place of comfort and so for those of us that are
here live or if you are joining us delayed this is just there's this an
encounter right now for us all for all of us to encounter his gentleness to
encounter his comfort to encounter his restoration to encounter his refreshing
and so I release that restoration right now I release that refreshing and I just
want to encourage you right now why don't you close your eyes and why don't
you picture yourself being like Enoch you know Enoch walked with God for 300
years this morning I walked with God in the National Park this beautiful forest
right beside one of the most beautiful rivers in the world I just walked with
God and talked with God and he we just communed we just fellowshiped as we
walked along I didn't talk audibly I didn't specifically pray but there was
this conscious awareness and this effortless communion with his spirit and
so I just encourage you right now why don't you just picture yourself in a
garden you know we were created for Eden and why don't you just take a moment now
just to walk with God to commune with the divine nature and why don't you ask
the Trinity right now how do you want to love me right now because I know that's
their agenda right now their agenda is to see you well loved their agenda right
now man there's such a strong sense of presence it's such a tangible atmosphere
of glory in my office right now I love it so much because it's the manifest
presence of the Trinity Wow Trinity I just want to say my heart
burns for you however you want to do this why don't you just walk with the
Lord why don't you commune spirit to spirit face to face when you find your
Eden just close your eyes and imagine what it would feel like to be walking
with God close your eyes and imagine what it would be what it would feel like
to be walking with your Papa chatting with your Papa whoa Papa Wow feel your
tenderness I feel the weight of your glory I love walking with you I walk
with you right now I walk with you right now in Eden
deeper deeper deeper deeper may your love trickle into the depths of our heart
right now may our hearts be softened afresh right now in your presence we
just ask you Trinity how do you want to love us right now how do you want to
love me right now
I just hear the Trinity saying for me, I want to pour out, refreshing on you, body, soul
and spirit.
I want to pour out new strength, new grace, new courage, new dreams, new life, whoa.
I receive that Trinity, I want it all.
I'm hungry for everything you have to offer.
Whoa, whoa, I'm getting so undone right now in the glory of God.
I feel a tangible manifest, weighty glory of God, whoa, rushing right through my whole
being.
Whoa, I see a picture right now of dancing with the Trinity, whoa, surrounded by the
perfect atmosphere of heaven, whoa, whoa, and in this picture as I'm dancing with the
Trinity, whoa, I see the Trinity fully filling me and I see myself fully filling them.
I see seamless union, whoa.
I see oneness, I see divine union, whoa.
May that flood over you, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I see another word coming here.
Jan said she's been meditating on the robe of righteousness, the purple color of his
kingly robe being wrapped around each of us, seated gently in his lap while he wraps this
around us, a place of rest, oh, wow, such a beautiful rest.
I feel such a powerful rest, such a beautiful encounter.
More, Lord, more, Lord, more, fill our hearts, flood us, Papa, whoa.
Wow, amen, that was beautiful, that was amazing.
Whoa, man, I just, I feel really strong through my legs, oh, weighty glory, just a tangible,
weighty atmosphere of the presence of God filling me, flooding me, oh, I will never,
never, never, never, never get bored of the presence, oh, it's such an ultimate, ultimate
delight of my life, wow.
Psalm, I believe it's Psalm 36, oh, it's your love is better than life, wow, amazing.
So we're going to jump into this Q&A time now and, oh, man, just transitioning, I don't
want to transition out of the glory, feeling undone, feeling so loved, feeling so rested
and re-energized and baptized and a little bit undone as well, oh, but let's jump into
some Q&As and see who has the first question of the night, we've had a couple of questions
asked before the session began, but let's see who wants to bring out our first question
for tonight and let's jump into it and I'll try and stay sober and cognitive while this
beautiful, luscious presence floods me deeply, oh.
So let's hear some of those questions, guys, I'd be interested to see what's going on in
your minds, we've covered a lot of really dynamic material that's been really powerful
material as well and Angela had some really good questions too tonight before the session
started, so I'd love to cover some of those and
also just be great to hear what questions you guys have got stirring and rattling around
in your heads tonight too, so why don't you share those and we will have another beautiful
adventure tonight engaging with these thoughts and questions and again we'll be, I'm not
specifically trying to teach you what to think, throwing out a whole bunch of different things
that Christians have believed through the millennia, you know, it's 2,000 years of
conversation around these things, so let's see what's stirring.
in your hearts and your heads as budding theologians of our day give me a thumbs
up too if you're if you're there I'm for some reason I'm not seeing your comments
oh look there we go ha there it is sweet so ha wow more more more more more may
just love baptize you saturate you fill you flood you Wow more more more of his
presence so shoot those questions out guys and I'd love to chat with you about
those questions that you've got steering in your head but otherwise if I don't
see a question pop up here and at the next 30 seconds then I'm gonna jump on
board with one of Angela's questions from earlier this afternoon that she put
up before the session began so you've got a little window now otherwise we'll
jump into Angela's question going once going twice here we go okay so Angela
had a great question and I'm just going to see if I can do a really really good
job of this and I actually think Angela that I might be able to help you quite a
bit with this question so Angela's question from earlier on tonight is if
Jesus didn't need to die on the cross to satisfy the wrath of an angry father if
he wasn't satisfying the wrath of an angry father and if Jesus was a
sacrifice for sin you know in John in John 1 12 John the Baptist says behold
the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world so Jesus really was a
sacrifice that takes away the sin of the world the Greek word for world there is
cosmos so boom he takes it away Jesus was not a sacrifice that paid the price
for us to be forgiven but Jesus was a sacrifice that was a his life was a
ransom so Jesus definitely paid a price but we have to be really clear on why he
paid a price and what that price was and not get confused about the price that
Jesus paid so I've got an attachment that I'll actually send to the group
I've also actually covered this I've done a whole session on this so one of
the questions that are sorry one of the sessions I did is a sacrifice that
reveals the father so in the session a sacrifice that reveals the father which
I did in the life redefined group which is the first two weeks of the school of
sonship is in the life redefined group so jump on there if you haven't seen
that then you really want to see the session of a sacrifice that reveals the
father let me just read some of these questions that are coming in now Janet
says there are many different ideas on what to expect before Yeshua returns do
you have any revelation on this okay that's a good question really big one
and Dean says I feel there is a reformation happening around the world
with theology coming back into correct focus do you want to briefly comment
from your travels about the extent of this okay there's a couple of great
things so let me touch on Angela's question and also let me share a power
not a PowerPoint but share a handout with you on that and then let me touch
on these two questions that have popped up here as well great thoughts guys by
the way great thoughts great conversations thanks Janet and thanks
Dean so first of all I cover this really in depth and life redefined in
the session of sacrifice that reveals the father so one of the big things to
remember with Augustinian thought is that Augustine had this perspective of
an angry God of wrath and Jesus basically had to save us from God so
actually an interesting quote I had heard about basically in line with
Augustinian theology of modern theologian he wrote the irony of the
gospel is that on the cross God saves us from God now how bizarre is that that
when when Augustinian theology and Augustinian thought is boiled down
that's basically the the story is that Jesus you know the the gospel is God
saves us from God rather than God saves us from ourselves if you
Think like that, then basically the conclusions that you make is that after the fall, it was
the Trinity that fell, not humanity.
It was never the Trinity that fell, it was humanity that fell.
The Trinity has been okay, the Trinity has been fine, the Trinity has never stopped,
the Trinity has never stopped their fellowship, they've never stopped perichoresis.
Jan's just chirped in with another good question here, where does Jonathan Edwards' Sinners
in the Hands of an Angry God fit?
Jan, great question, Jonathan Edwards' message, his sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry
God, possibly the most famous sermon ever preached on American soil, and possibly one
of the most famous sermons ever preached in world history to date, is this really, really
famous sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards, and that Sinners
in the Hands of an Angry God message is perfect Augustinian theology, that is straight up
and down Augustine, and I mean that is crazy, it's just crazy, crazy stuff, I mean I would
like to just pull out some of the stuff there about how much, how it talks about how much
God hates you, this message, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, it's vile in its sense
of God, it paints such an angry, angry picture of God, what do you expect from the title,
Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, so Sinners right there, you have this concept, this Augustinian
concept of total depravity, you know, that the core identity of humanity is that we are
totally depraved, evil, vile creatures, as opposed to sons made perfectly in the image
of our Father in Heaven, so you're automatically communicating this orphan gospel, it's automatically
communicating the exact opposite of the gospel that Jesus communicated, which is that you
are enough, and you are loved by your Papa in Heaven, you're perfectly loved, you're
perfectly one, you're a perfect son, it already says, you're inadequate, you're separate from
God, you're far from God, and God is an angry God who really hates you, like whoa, that's
crazy, so back to Angela's question, Jesus was a sacrifice, but he was a sacrifice that
revealed the Father, as opposed to a sacrifice that changed the Father, now the big difference
is in orthodox thought versus Augustinian thought, is that orthodox thought right from
the beginning has always been that Jesus came as the exact revelation of the Father, that
everything that Jesus did was a revelation of the nature and the character of the Father,
that Jesus was like the glove, and the Father was the hand inside the glove, and everything
that you see the glove doing is an exact expression, representation of the Father, so on the cross
as well, Jesus was revealing the Father, the Father was in Christ on the cross, 2 Corinthians
5 puts it like this, God was in Christ, reconciling the cosmos to himself, not counting men's
sins against them, and we too have received this commissioning to reconciliation, so Jesus
was a sacrifice, but he was a sacrifice that revealed the Father, if you look in the handout
that I'll share with you at the end of this, and by the way I've shared the handout as
well, I've shared the PDF with you on origins of the gospel, so that's up in the group,
you'll be able to find that there, and go through that at your own time if you want
to, so I'll share this handout with you as well, but the book of Hebrews talks about
how the Old Testament became obsolete, and we have to go back before this as well, before
the law was given, if we go back to Mount Sinai, what we see is that before the law
was given, God actually called in Exodus 20, God was actually calling Israel to be a kingdom
of priests, so a kingdom that speaks of dominion, that speaks of identity, and priests that
speaks of intimacy, so from the very beginning, God was, what he was really after, what Papa
was really after was the restoration of identity and intimacy, and that humanity could step
back into that place of being kings and priests, but they rejected that, they rejected God's
plan of restoring identity and restoring intimacy, so that the whole nation could be kings and
could be a kingdom of priests they rejected that and it's like God said
all right well fine if you don't want that you can have you can have the law
and hopefully the law will show you how futile self-righteousness is hopefully
the law will show you how futile life is trying to live with your false
definitions trying to define yourself rather than allowing me to define you
hopefully the law will show you how futile life is how pointless life is
without intimacy and without Dominion without identity and without intimacy
God's call was identity and intimacy they rejected that and he said all right
well you don't like you don't want intimacy and identity let's have the law
and hopefully that will that will you know that taste of self-righteousness
that taste of doing it alone going alone living disconnected isolated the way
that you want to live you know as you're clothed by your shame as you're too
scared to come close to me hopefully humanity will get sick of this isolation
and independence and disconnection and orphan mentalities and being falsely
defined and hopefully after this taste of the law of what they're asking for
they'll be sick of that and they'll want to come in and experience the real deal
so Angela in a nutshell check out the message in Life Redefined a sacrifice
that reveals the father and also I'll share with you to the the PowerPoint
sorry not the PowerPoint but the handout I've got a handout on that or which I'll
share with the group too but a superior sacred sacrifice so the book of Hebrews
is all about contrasting Jesus as a superior sacrifice with all the
sacrifices of the Old Testament and actually the author of Hebrews calls the
Old Testament he says of the the law and the Old Testament and the Old
Testament sacrifices he said that they were weak and useless that they had no
capacity to cleanse the conscience of the worshiper whereas Jesus is a totally
different type of sacrifice you'll notice in there as well that I contrast
the difference between expiation and propitiation and there's a massive
difference between those two things which we won't go into now but we'll get
into later so hey Monica great to have you joining us and Will great to have
you guys there so great questions there Angela and let's check out some of these
other things here Dean had a good good comment and so did Janet so Janet's
thought was there are many different ideas on what to expect before Yeshua
returns do you have any revelation on this I mean I think everyone has has got
a few ideas on on this I think I'm building stronger a stronger sense a
stronger I sense of ideas of where Jesus is really taking this journey and one of
those things would be the restoration of all things acts is really clear that
says that Jesus is actually going to wait in heaven until the restoration of
all things now that's a really interesting concept there's some really
powerful ideas that the Bible communicates about about earth as well
it's like heaven is really keen to get to earth and in earth is really here a
lot of us Christians are waiting to escape earth and get to heaven when it
seems like he was really looking towards escaping heaven and filling the filling
the earth but Isaiah 9 says that of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end and that Hebrew word for peace is the word Shalom and it
means you know one of the concepts of Shalom is that everything functions
according to divine design so you have absolutely everything on the planet
functioning according to divine design which I'm excited about that so to me
I'm thinking okay the increase of his government and Shalom and peace and
divine design and divine delightment there will be no end Daniel 727 talks
about Daniel 727 talks about it says the court will sit and the devil's power
will be taken away and all rulers will worship and obey him and his kingdom
will be an everlasting kingdom well I mean the Great Commission in Matthew 28
is that we would make disciples of all nations not just make disciples in all
nations but make disciples of all nations that's the Commission that Jesus
has given us and I am pretty confident that Jesus really intends to see the
fulfillment of that Great Commission
commission. So my thoughts are that heaven is going to fully invade every
sphere of influence on the planet. It's really interesting now as well
there's a lot of different thoughts and there's always been a lot of different
thoughts about what the end times looks like and actually every generation since
Jesus including you know the disciples believed that they would be the last
generation that Jesus was going to come in their generation and actually so far
of all the predictions about when Jesus is coming so far to date everyone that's
promised that prophesied that Jesus is coming in their lifetime
everyone's been wrong so far a hundred percent so if you are going to prophesy
the date of the return of Jesus you know it's going to be pretty
your odds aren't so good you know so far a hundred percent of people have been
wrong a hundred percent have been wrong so far oh my gosh of the people who
prophesied that Jesus was coming in their lifetime so that's kind of kind of
a dynamic thing but what I am I don't know exactly I don't pretend to know
exactly when Jesus is coming back I think it's a great way to be wrong is to
get really certain on exactly when you think he's coming back but I think
there's some things that we can be really certain of is that of the
increase of his government and peace there will be no end I am I'm not a
person who thinks there is not going to be tribulation in fact tribulation is
one of the promises that Jesus gave all of us for our own lives he said you know
in this life we will have tribulation whether we're in the end times or not
and I think that if you look at people in persecuted nations there are
thousands of believers right now in in prisons being tortured and for those
guys I'm pretty sure that would feel like intense tribulation kind of like
the end times type of apocalyptic type scenario there have been they've been I
mean the amount of people the amount of Christians being martyred for their
faith right now is really off the charts a big doomsday a big dark cloud a big
scary future around in times I feel like in times is being woven with this
concept of fear and tribulation and torment and persecution but even if you
do look at the books of Daniel and the other apocalyptic books and remember
apocalypse the Greek word apocalypse it actually means revelation it means the
great
hey hey sorry about that guys had a slight disconnect there on the internet
but if we are talking about you know when people start talking about the end
times a lot of people go into a lot of fear that there's this big nasty
apocalypse there's you know there's dragons there's beasts there's you know
there's the false prophets there's the mark of the beast there's you know the
beast and all these nasty nasty things but what people fail to realize is that
even even but there's not many scholars that suggest that that period if it is
if it is like that you know there's lots of different paradigms and perspectives
of what that might look like but if there is a great tribulation most
theologians that are on that level on that plane suggest they are they all
pretty much majority of them agree that that that season of intense persecution
would only actually be three and a half years in that three and a half years of
apocalypse remember the word apocalypse is a great unveiling a great revealing
so China if you look at China China closed its borders they got called the
bamboo curtain and when China closed its borders in that I think was in the 80s
and there was only about a million known Christians at that time and when the
bamboo curtain came down when you know communist China started opening up to
the world again the number of Christians had exploded by tens of millions it had
just gone off the charts and the growth of the Chinese Church has not stopped
since then it has just gone exponential China is the largest Christian nation in
the world now so what did that apocalypse do that apocalypse produced a
massive unveiling a great revealing a great revealing of Sanchez a great
revealing of
the gospel and so if there is big tribulation, if there is a big apocalypse
that's actually a good thing because an apocalypse is a great unveiling, a great
revealing. Remember all creation is groaning for the unveiling. That word
unveiling is the same word translated as apocalypse. All creation is groaning for
a great apocalypse. Oh my gosh did you hear it like, ever heard it like that
before? But all creation is groaning for a great apocalypse. But even if there is
a great apocalypse of three and a half years, how often is it that those times
of tribulation, that the Lord uses those times of tribulation as a time of
great birthing. So I'm not saying that that's necessarily my perspective but I
think that there's a lot of people going through huge persecution in the world
right now and that sense of persecution is like a great apocalypse for them
right now. And Christians and persecuted nations right now it seems like the
great apocalypse. So I'm not a big fan of the concept that Christians won't
experience persecution, that everything is going to be fluffy, that there's not
going to be hardships or suffering. I think that if you look around the world
there is so much evidence of millions and millions of Christians living in
these oppressed nations. But that pressure, that tribulation, it produces a
great apocalypse which causes a great awakening and that great awakening is
what's coming forth. So what I am fully persuaded of is, I'm fully persuaded that
we're stepping into a season of unprecedented revival. Which means,
I talked about this in a session on unprecedented revival earlier in the
school. And the unprecedented revival, I mean that looks like an explosion, an
explosion of sons, the manifestation of the sons of God who are walking in
supernatural, mystical, extravagant love and power and intimacy and union and
dominion. Like the Saints of old, like St. Francis of Assisi, St. Francis of
Paola, St. Xavier Francis and all of these guys who just walked in extreme,
extreme intimacy and radical power. Well I'm talking millions of those guys. As we
step into unprecedented revival, millions of those guys. Just a world like we've
never seen before. Where unprecedented revival bursts forth into the seven
mountains and we have sons ruling and reigning in power and love from the top
down. And I believe we are going to disciple nations. I believe we are going
to step into the fullness of Daniel 7 27 that says his kingdom will be an
everlasting kingdom and every ruler will worship and obey him. So my
perspective is a very, very victorious, exciting perspective of where things
will go. I believe there is already massive persecution and tribulation and
trial. And I believe that we're going to see more of that. But ultimately the
heart of the Father is to restore all things. Ultimately the heart of the
Father is to see sons step into that place of dominion where we rule and
reign in power and love from the top down over nations. And you're seeing this
now as well. There's so much revelation coming from God about how to redeem the
environment. How to redeem, you know, things that have been polluted. Things
that have been destroyed. But there's this massive release of technology from
heaven that's producing a redemption of environments. And it's simultaneously
producing a massive wealth transfer to the sons of God. So I'm excited for sons
to be stewarding trillions of dollars. I'm excited for sons to be stewarding
nations. I'm excited for sons to be ruling and reigning in power and love
over whole nations. So my thoughts on what we should be expecting. When Jesus
slots back into the return or not, I'm not sure. Some people think that Jesus,
well, I mean Acts kind of implies that Jesus waits for the restoration of all
things to return. Other people have different perspectives on that. I've
heard a great quote by Bill Johnson once he said that Jesus is coming for a bride
whose body is in proportion to her head. You know, Jesus is the
head, we're the body. Or Jesus is the groom, we're the bride. And he's coming
for a spotless bride. A bride that was without spot or wrinkle. And that's
going to be us walking in our identity. That's going to be us manifesting our
sonship. That's going to be us discovering bridal intimacy and stepping
into that in extravagant ways. So I'm excited about that. Yeah, I'm very, very
passionate about that concept that of the increase of his government
and shalom, there will be no end. And I like Psalm 2 as well. Psalm 2 says,
ask of me and I will give you the nations as an
inheritance the ends of the earth as your possession so I feel like let's
charge down in that direction something else that on that front that I'm really
passionate about is I've done a session on I've done a session on with you guys
on the kingdom of Solomon and systemic revival I am really fully persuaded that
the kingdom of Solomon one it was the greatest expression of heaven on earth
that we've ever seen and two I'm fully persuaded that it's not supposed to be
the greatest expression that there ever is I believe that you know the he saves
the best for last there should be a great climax we should supersede we
should go above and beyond what the kingdom of Solomon ever touched on
experience so I'm really excited for a massive massive awakening of sonship a
global viral awakening of sonship that changes world history forever that
literally changes things I believe that in the future we're going to look back
on these days of revival as though they were the dark ages so I'm excited about
that yeah I'd love to hear your guys thoughts as well what do you think about
the end times what are you yeah what do you think about the end times guys be
cool to hear your thoughts like I said you know there's lots of conversations
there's lots of thoughts around this it's been over 2,000 years of
conversation so great to have dialogue here what are you guys thinking on that
we should we can just chat through that you know as we go through the week as
well what are your thoughts on the end times where are things going are you
depressed about it are you scared about it are you excited about it are you
exhilarated by it do you want to be a part of it do you not want to be part of
it whoa what are you thinking what's gonna happen I'm excited I'm really
really excited for what God has in store for us just checking Janet's sorry
Angela's post here sweet okay that's cool sounds like Angela's happy with the
answer for her question and then let's check out Papa Dean Papa Dean says I
feel there's a reformation happening around the world with theology coming
back into correct focus do you want to briefly comment from your travels about
the extent of this Papa Dean great great comment mate yeah we are we are in a
massive season of reformation this yeah I think in the last session I talked
about how yeah in a thousand and fifty four AD there was the east-west schism
and it was a huge break and it was a break in theology between Orthodox
theology and Augustinian theology and there's never been any reconciliation
Augustine basically or Augustine basically crushed the the concepts of
Orthodox you know Greek Orthodox theology in the West and so the Western
Church came under this Augustinian spell well since a thousand and fifty four AD
there's never been a day where the resurgence of the teachings of the early
Church Fathers has been sweeping through the Western Church like this as it is
now there's never been a day like this in in you know in world history this is
we're in we're in unprecedented times realistically theologically we really
are in unprecedented times because Augustinian thought had basically
entranced the Western Church and we're in a season now where the Western Church
is going whoa hang on we're waking up we're getting out of this some some
really interesting things are happening there's actually an exodus at the moment
there's an exodus of Christians from the church which I'm in one way I'm not too
concerned in another way I am really concerned about this I'm I'm not too
concerned in the sense of Christians leaving unhealthy communities and a lot
of a lot of churches around the world are really unhealthy communities there's
a lot of manipulation and control because of this Augustinian thought
there's a lot of orphan behavior remember the orphan the orphan way is the
inability to receive divine love perfectly and the inability to give
expression to divine love so there's a lot of there's a lot of mess in the
church right
In one sense, I'm not opposed to people leaving unhealthy communities and going in search
of healthy communities.
I think that's a good thing and realistically across the board all around the world, I haven't
gone everywhere, but I've seen this more and more, a trend of Christians leaving unhealthy
communities, but there's also in this dynamic, some people are doing it for good reasons,
some people are doing it for bad reasons, but there is at the moment an exodus of Christians
from the church, but one thing that I do have an issue with is that we're stronger together,
and something that Christians are becoming disconnected from is that Jesus has a purpose
for your local geographical area where he's planted you, Jesus has a really strong purpose
for that.
He wants to reach that community, he wants to reach that area, and isolated Christians
are easy pickings for the enemy.
Isolated Christians, if we have 100 Christians in a community, only 10 of them go to, let's
say 20%, or let's just say 50% of the Christians go to church, so you've got 100 Christians
in a community, you've got 50 in the church, and there's probably going to be some mess
there, right?
But you know that messy church of 50 believers is quite possibly actually going to have more
impact on the community because of the synergy, because of being stronger together, because
of pooling their resources, because of pooling their service and pooling their desire to
see heaven on earth, there's probably going to be more impact for the cause of Christ
of bringing heaven to earth through a community that's a slightly broken community, a community
that has some issues to work on, a community that has some mess in it, there's probably
going to be, there's a potential for heaven to come through there, still be established
well through that community.
Having said that, there's also tons of church communities where it's so messy that they're
actually doing more harm than good.
I've seen that in real life and it's really heartbreaking to see that.
So having said that, there's a movement of Christians pulling out from the church, but
unfortunately a lot of those Christians are getting isolated, they're getting disconnected
from the purpose, from the cause, from the calling, from the mission and the mandate
of Jesus Christ to reach their local community and to work together to produce a synergy
to bring heaven to earth.
Another dynamic of that, Papa Dean, on that thing that I'm seeing though is that you're
also simultaneously, you are having a reformation of theology that's producing sonship and that
reformation of theology is actually producing a big change in what community looks like.
So we're simultaneously, we're seeing an exodus from the church and we're seeing some people
kind of getting lost in the way in that, but we're also seeing these beautiful, healthy
moments where sons are gathering and they're creating amazing communities which are really,
really infused with the cause of bringing heaven to earth, with the cause of the expansion
of his government and shalom.
So that's really exciting, but there really is, like never before in world history, a
movement, a theological reformation, a theological movement that is sweeping through the Western
church and awakening people to the original thoughts of the church.
The shack, for example, has been really powerful on that.
If you've seen the movie The Shack, the movie The Shack communicates Trinitarian theology
or it communicates the theology of the Eastern Orthodox Church, the early church fathers.
Millions of people have been impacted by The Shack.
Millions of people have been impacted by this Trinitarian theology sweeping through the
Western church.
We talked about it earlier in the 1920s.
It was Karl Barth who was the major pioneer of bringing Eastern Orthodox thought back
into the Western church and then he discipled some theologians, not just the Torrance brothers
from Scotland, but the Torrance brothers from Scotland became major catalysts and propagated
this reformation through the Western church as well.
Now you've got guys like Baxter Kruger and Paul Young, even John Crowder, so many others
as well all around the world that are getting on board, that are catching this revelation
and spreading it and people are catching it, which is really, really exciting.
I think that it's just the start.
We're going to see so much of it and I think God's really going to deal with
with church as well. I think God's going to deal with a number of
issues. I think God's going to deal with unhealthy churches. I think that's
part of what he's doing. I think that's part of what the Sonship Reformation is
about, is actually restoring the divine dance back into church, about the
restoring the divine life back into church. So I'm excited about that and
then something that I'll say, and I've said this before as well, is that in this
process of reformation, reformation is notorious for being done badly and
reformers are notorious for being abrasive and offensive and dishonoring.
Reformers throughout history have had a lot of major issues. John Knox, he was
quite a volatile reformer. You might have heard of John Knox or seen places like
Knox College after the Scottish reformer John Knox, but he called for the Queen's
head. He was like, oh my gosh this Queen's a heretic, we should lop off her head.
Whoa! I think calm down a little bit in the process of reformation.
Reformation history is notorious for being messy and for a lot of
dishonor and for a lot of offense to be in it, but I think for us in this season
one of the most important things to carry in the process of reformation is
that we bleed love. If people attack us for being heretics, which is a pretty
common thing if you're doing something new, if you're doing anything for God, and
something I said earlier as well, but something I've learned in
studying Christian theology and theology throughout Christian history is that it
doesn't matter what you believe, it doesn't matter what your perspective is,
whether you are right or whether you are wrong, whether you're a little bit right
or really right, whether you're a little bit wrong or if you're
really wrong, it doesn't matter what position you hold on the spectrum of
Christian belief, everybody is somebody's heretic. Whatever you believe, somebody
thinks you're a heretic, and if you start sharing that loud enough, sooner or
later people are going to get opposed to what you're sharing. Sooner or later
people are going to get angry with what you're bringing, but it's so
important for us in the season just to bleed love. So important for us in this
season to walk with honor, and whatever we do, whatever we say, be people who are
walking with honor, and when you cut us we bleed love, and we're honorable because
we're honorable people, not necessarily because of other people's behavior. So
hope that's valuable for you guys, would love to hear some of your thoughts as
well, some of your interactions, what do you reckon about my thoughts, do you
think I'm way off the mark, or do you have other perspectives, I'd love to hear
you guys chirping in, sharing what you're thinking, what you're processing. I'll
just chuck out there as well, maybe this thought, I would
suggest that you don't let your theology be two clicks deep,
don't let your theology be two clicks deep, and what I mean by that is some
people now have theology that's two clicks deep, they did two Google
searches, they clicked on Google, they
searched restoration of all things, then it popped up on Wikipedia, and they
clicked it, and boom, they got their definition of their theology from
Wikipedia after two clicks, so it's only two clicks deep. Be a
person who really searches it out, for me I spent seven years really searching
out this concept of the restoration of all things, what does that mean to me,
what do I think about it, and even having spent years and years investigating
theology, I hold my theology lightly in one sense, because what I don't hold
lightly is I don't hold the pursuit for truth lightly, to me the pursuit for
truth is ultimate, but I think that we have to hold our current perspectives
lightly, because I might learn something, I might learn something next week that
changes my perspective, I've had that experience so many times now
where I've learned something that's changed my perspective on what I used to
believe, and things that I've preached in the past I no longer agree with
myself, and so I hold the pursuit for truth as ultimate.
most and I don't take myself too seriously in the process and I'm pretty relaxed about
having conversations with people and sharing the journey and sharing the process with people
and I haven't done all the exploring that you could do on the restoration of old things,
I've definitely explored that a lot and even that concept has a lot of thoughts and I've
shared with you that there were some things that Oregon did that were really commendable,
there were some other things about the life of Oregon that you would think, oh man some
of that stuff might be a bit way off, so just take what you've heard and go deeper on it,
meditate on it, research it, don't just learn what to think, I'm not trying to teach you
what to think, I'm just trying to give you information that helps you go deeper in learning
how to think and how to process all of these things, so that'll be the thing I'd just like
to finish up with you for tonight is don't just learn what to think, I'm not trying to
spoon feed you, I'm trying to give you some information that will catalyse your growth,
that will get you asking questions and searching and going deeper and get you trying to figure
out what you believe for yourself, so love you guys, we'll look forward to seeing you
on Saturday and I'm going to do another session on Saturday about kingdom building community,
next week we're going to talk about supernatural stories which will be fun, if you've got a
testimony that you want to share it would be great to hear some testimonies, we could
start doing some lives as well about testimonies you've got about supernatural stories and
Jesus doing supernatural things, I'd love to hear some of your amazing testimonies of
what Jesus has been doing in your world, I had a supernatural testimony yesterday in
a pub which left some ladies really, really rocked by the love and the power of Jesus,
I'll hopefully share that with you next week as well, but love you guys like crazy, blessings
on everything that you're doing and we'll catch you Saturday, I'm also having a bit
of a worship time tomorrow with some of our crew and I think that I'll see how it goes
but at some point tomorrow morning around 10 o'clock, maybe 11 o'clock, somewhere between
10 and 12 o'clock we'll be having worship time, so I might just set this up to go live
while we're having our worship time, it's going to be a relaxed acoustic freestyle type
of worship, so if you're keen for some worship then feel free to join in, then love you heaps,
bless you and catch you soon, see you!