I'm thinking
That's what I do a boomerang that's how I boomerang
I I move so fast people don't see it. Oh my gosh. Yeah
Yeah, that's my lightning bolt the flash
That's your go-to I always go to the cha-cha girl, you know the salsa can I look at my cell phone?
I
Should have brushed my teeth
She would be like dad
Your breath is horrible
You're so familiar with this that we'll see their faces
I'm gonna ask you guys some questions and then we can minister and pray for them
So if there's people in the call that feel highlighted to you call them out pray for them
All of us
Because my body looks tiny and my legs look
Cath I was yesterday when you called her out was too cute
There we are the lighting is so moody I like it
You
Hello everyone and welcome to school of the prophets day three
How are we at day three it is flying by but also I feel like yesterday was like five days in one
It has been full-on right? How are we doing guys? I don't know about you. I woke up this morning was like
Okay, here we go day three
It is like been a firehose, right? We've been learning lots. How are we doing doing?
Well, okay
Well, if you guys have not been to coffee chats before that's where you're at
we're at coffee chats and my name is Ali Vallotton and I'm your online host for this week and
Today I have the Ben Armstrong and the Lindsey Ryman with me for coffee chats and we are
Excited be yeah the one and only
and like usual if you guys could put your names in your name box so we can see your names and let us know where
You are joining us from this morning in the chat box. That would be so fun. I always love to see
Oh people are giving you a little hi Lindsey. Yes as cues in the house. Yes
We're gonna talk a little bit about that. I'm sure Mexico, Idaho
Norway I love to see people from all over and I Norway it has to be like the evening. All right
I don't know but it's it's all different time zones. It's so fun. Come on. Oh Stacey. I see you from yesterday. Hi
We gave her a little shout out. Okay, and Kath Kath is on the call. Yes. We love you
I see Lara who's taken one of my labs before hi
So good, okay, so I have some questions for you guys, are you ready? Okay, let's go
Okay. Okay. Well, first of all, I have to say Ben
I loved your analogy yesterday when you spoke about how when we have greater intimacy with God, he doesn't have to speak loud. I'm like
Profound. Yeah, just so so good. I love that. So anyway, um question for you. You kind of both have different
I don't know if we call them specialties or giftings what we might call those
But you are sort of known as the dream guy, right? Yeah the dream
and we've been speaking with our speakers this week
about Reformation, and I'm curious how you see dreams
and dream interpretation to be a part of this Reformation.
Why is it so important?
Yeah, well, I think one of the big deals that happens,
if you look throughout at least biblical history,
every time there was a huge era shift
or a shift in historical season, a new epoch,
it was always marked by an increase of dreams.
And it was those who were able to recognize
the voice of God, interpret the dreams,
that actually helped initiate the new move
of whatever God was doing.
And so I think it is Reformational,
but in that aspect,
because God likes to reveal things beforehand.
He likes to give us dreams that potentially
unwrap or solve problems.
He maybe potentially throws something out
that is futuristic in dreams as well.
And it's so important that we would know
that language of mystery, we'd be able to interpret it,
and then even go beyond that, but apply it to our life.
That's what brings real transformation.
And I think interpretation goes beyond
just dreams or visions.
Absolutely.
It steps into the realm of prophecy,
and I know Lindsay does a ton,
a huge portion of what she does with Aquaregia,
the Prophetic Labs, even SQ, is all about interpretation.
So we're gonna take an angle on it this week,
and I'm gonna have a whole session on interpretation.
And we're gonna talk about it from the angle
of not just dreams, but even prophetic happenings,
things that are going on on the earth,
patterns and trends, and how to interpret
that kind of stuff.
It's so cool.
It's fun.
I love that so much.
Any of you dreamers on the call,
do we have some dreamers that get some prophetic dreams?
Yes, an increase of that in this season, right?
Yeah, more, more.
So good, I love that.
And Lindsay, you, this is your first year
speaking at School of Prophets, right?
You've done the breakout session.
Yes, my first time.
Okay, so exciting.
So nervous.
No, she's gonna kill it.
She's amazing.
I get to work with Lindsay here and there,
and I am in awe.
She is so wise and incredible.
So it is so exciting to have you.
Yes, we are so excited.
It's easy.
Right, right.
And you were her, were you her pastor
when she was in school, is that right?
Well, she did her third year School of Ministry.
He was my mentor.
He's still my mentor.
Yeah.
Always my mentor.
It's so good, it's so good.
But you are also an instructor at the SQ Institute,
which I don't, if you're not familiar,
SQ is the term we use for spiritual intelligence.
Chris wrote a book on spiritual intelligence,
and now you're an instructor at the Institute.
Maybe before we dive into questions about that,
could you just explain a bit
about what spiritual intelligence is in the first place?
Does everyone have spiritual intelligence?
Yes, everyone has spiritual intelligence.
What level do I have?
Okay, what's my IQ level?
You know, I think the definition
of spiritual intelligence is,
I'm still sort of working out,
but I think it's the ability to examine
and understand the language of the spirit realm
and how God is speaking to you.
So dream, interpretation, dreams are part of that.
And honestly, like the way I first started learning
about spiritual intelligence was,
I just had all these prophetic words
and I didn't know what to do with them.
And I just very innocently was like,
Googled something like, who manages information
or something about information reports.
And the CIA's website popped up.
They have a website, not very secret, cia.gov.
And I was like, oh yeah, they manage information, right?
And so then I started studying,
how do they manage their information?
I mean, they have to work with scary things like terrorism,
but I get to work with heavenly things, which is more fun.
And so they would just go through this process of analysis
of how they were, I realized, I was like,
they're interpreting.
Interpretation is a heavenly gift.
And so a lot of what I do is interpretation.
It's just around all the different ways God moves.
Right, that's really, really good.
Do we have people on the call that want to grow
in their spiritual intelligence?
I know that I do, right?
I would love it if someone was like, no.
Yeah, no.
I don't care too, thank you.
How about we do a bit of a prophetic act this morning?
Oh gosh, wow, I'm not dancing.
Yeah, I'm gonna need to do some laps, Lindsay.
Okay, okay.
So often in our environment, we do prophetic acts
because we believe that physical obedience
brings spiritual release, right?
And it's not about the act in particular,
it's the faith that's attached to the act.
So this morning, we're gonna increase our faith
and we're gonna grab that spiritual intelligence out there
and we're gonna put it on the top of our head.
Like we're grabbing it, we're putting it on top of our head.
And Lindsay, how about you pray for everyone this morning
that our spiritual intelligence would increase?
Yes.
Okay.
Holy Spirit, I ask for an acute awareness
in all of their senses, seeing, hearing, feeling, and knowing
and that there would be a new gift of faith released
so that even it's just the tiniest move of your hand,
they would celebrate it and recognize, I think that's God.
And I just pray for you to be able to recognize
where God is in your day as well,
to interpret your day and see where his hand
is moving throughout your day.
Yes.
Amen.
Okay.
So good.
I love it.
Even as Lindsay was praying,
I felt like God wanted to activate people
in the recognition and the partnership with the angelic.
And in particular, I felt like it was going to start
with you sensing the angelic in localized spots,
just in sensations on your skin.
Could be face, could be an ear burning,
could be a tingling down the back of your neck.
But I want you to do this.
When you feel a sensation that you can't actually quantify
or mark in the natural why that's there,
it just comes randomly.
The air conditioner didn't change.
Anything didn't change in the environment.
Then ask God this,
God, what are you doing and how do I partner with it?
And that's going to activate this partnership
with the spirit and it'll activate your senses.
And we, you know, Hebrews chapter five,
having our senses trained to discern good and evil.
So we're trying to discern the good things that God's doing.
And I want you to be aware of that.
And we released that as well.
That is wonderful.
I love it.
Thank you guys.
Yes.
So good.
Okay.
So we're going to answer this a bit,
but as prophetic reformers,
how do you think we can engage in the current times
that we are in?
I think right now the big one for me is,
is it's called intercession.
Here's the crazy thing.
As prophetic, as prophets and highly prophetic people,
Amos 3, 7 says,
God does no secret thing without first revealing it
to his friends and servants, the prophets.
Why does he reveal stuff to us?
Especially in the case of like,
maybe it's government stuff.
Maybe it's about a particular nation.
Maybe it's about a particular situation in a nation.
Well, I don't know anyone in that nation.
I'm not Chris Vallotton.
I'm not in government, you know, prophecy stuff.
So how, what am I supposed to,
why would God share that with me?
Sometimes we get in a panic in those moments,
but God's actually looking for intercessors
who would pray it into existence,
who would actually partner with what his heart is
for a nation.
And we see nations shifted all the time
through intercession.
And I really believe that's gonna be one of the,
at least kickstarts in the reformer deal.
There's going to be prophets who declare a thing
and it's up to us as a prophetic company
to make sure we pray that into existence
or into acceleration.
Right, right.
That's so powerful.
I know, and not undervaluing that.
I think sometimes you can,
you don't realize like, oh, I have to do, do, do.
We've been talking a lot about building and doing
and actually seeing it.
But part of the doing is praying into it, right?
Yeah, sometimes it doesn't need a declaration.
Sometimes we think, oh, I got a prophetic word.
Someone give me a microphone.
I got to do something.
No, sometimes all it needs is you to go into your closet
and pray so you get transformed by the word.
Yeah, yeah.
That's so good.
And Daniel gave a great word to Bethel Church Sunday night,
if you guys want to hear about it.
But what I love about it is a few weeks before,
Ben sat down and he was like,
I want to start, I want to cultivate,
I want to keep pursuing what Benny left.
And so he was like,
I'm going to start creating like prayer meetings
like early in the morning.
And then Danno came and like, was like talking like,
there's an invitation for you to carry what she fought for.
And I was just like,
and I really think that you're going to be a big part
of like helping us step into redefining what intercession is.
Yes, yeah.
So good.
Oh man.
Wow.
Well, how about in closing today, Ben,
could you pray for those that are on the call with us
this morning as we jump into day three?
Yeah.
Father, I pray that as we are activated more and more
in this gift of prophecy.
the office of a prophet, that we would actually know
our own personal value with you.
And because of that value, we would actually place
importance on the things that we're receiving
in such a way that it not only transforms our life,
and that starts in that intercession place,
but it then begins to overflow.
Because when I become the word,
it's easy to release that everywhere I go.
So God, I release that on everyone here.
That level of intimacy, that level of connection with you
and your word and your identity,
so that when we walk out of the room,
Jesus Christ is seen, the Holy Spirit's seen,
God the Father's seen in everything we do.
In Jesus' name.
Amen. Amen.
Thank you guys so much for joining me.
Yeah, of course.
Have a wonderful day.
We'll see you tomorrow morning for our next Coffee Chat.
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Hey everyone, good morning. Welcome back
To school of the prophets
How was community groups this morning? You guys have fun?
Come on, I love it. I love it
we're we're gonna get started here in just a couple of minutes, but I'm I
Want to make you all aware of a few things that we've got available to you tonight actually we're gonna do a
Dessert kind of hang out
With everyone right over here in
the East West Fellowship room and we just want to have a dessert social hang out with you and
Hang out with each other. So there's going to be a lot of desserts over here in the East West room
We're also going to have
all of our
Artists and all of their worship art that they they've been doing during the conference is going to be displayed as well
Over there
So if you want to check that out the art gallery and dessert
Social and then for those of you that are joining us online as well at 615
our our coffee chat host alley valentine and a special guest is
Going to be joining you guys online as well
So grab your favorite dessert your favorite little treat and and join us at 615
online as well
So we're gonna we're just gonna have a ton of fun with the dessert social and we're trying to find every
Opportunity just to rub shoulders with each other and have fun. Do you like that?
Amen
well, I
Don't see our speaker yet, so
We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do something you what you ready to do something I
I
Had a dream this year. I was in Lubbock, Texas and
doing a conference and
The first night of the conference I had a dream and in the dream
I was driving in a car with Bill Johnson down a country road and
Anytime I have a dream with Bill. I love it. You know I get to spend extra time with him
And and so we're driving down this country road and Bill says to me. He said Ben. Did you know?
That there are a lot of people
Who are one measure away
From their breakthrough and healing and that measure is called gratitude
There one measure of gratitude away from their breakthrough or away from their healing and
I
I thought, okay, well, if that is the God dream,
then, and it sounds like God,
it actually matches up with the word of God,
because God sent his word and healed them,
and God is enthroned on the praises of his people,
and it says, a thankful heart
prepares the way for the Lord.
So maybe this is scriptural, maybe this is a God dream.
So that night, I got up and I said,
okay, how many of you need breakthrough in your body?
And a bunch of people stood up.
So how many of you, you need breakthrough in your body?
If you need breakthrough in your body,
put it in the chat, raise your hand online.
If you need breakthrough in the room, stand up.
And let's just try it out.
Put gratitude on your lips and begin to thank God
for who he is and what he does, what he's done in the past,
what he's doing in the present,
and what he wants to do in the future.
Just thank him, just put thankfulness,
gratitude on your lips.
Thank you, Lord.
Thank you, Jesus.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your nature,
thank you for your generosity, thank you for your goodness.
Okay, that's good.
Now check your body out.
Now check it out and see if you could do something now
that you couldn't do before.
See if pain has changed.
If there is any change, 80% or better,
what I want you to do is just wave at me
if there's a difference.
Right over here, right back here,
two over here, right here, right there,
right over here, right here as well,
right over here.
Put that in the chat too, wave your hand,
hit your hand icon if you're feeling breakthrough as well,
and I just, I can feel an angel right behind me.
The angels love healing, they love this stuff.
Christ the healer is in the room.
What I want you to do is continue to thank God
throughout the day and continue to check out your body
because breakthrough's happening.
God, we thank you for the healing.
Go ahead and celebrate the healing
that he's already released in the room.
And we're just gonna expect that God's gonna continue it
throughout the day, amen?
All right, go ahead and grab your seat.
Well, we have a real treat, a real privilege,
and this is her very first time
speaking a main session at School of the Prophets,
but I super admire this lady because of not just her heart
and her attitude, but her stewardship on her life.
She said yes to God and she's stewarded things,
and I've watched her cry her way through this.
I mean, being homeless, no payment,
and just grinding it out.
And I'm like, Lindsey, there's gonna be breakthrough.
Please don't quit, just keep going.
And I just got to be a cheerleader
all through all this stuff,
and I've watched her steward something in God,
and now we're all reaping a harvest from her life.
Will you please stand to your feet
and welcome my great friend, Lindsey Ryman.
Wow.
Thank you.
Thank you, thank you.
Okay, hi guys.
I'm Lindsey, and if you notice that I keep not looking
at this section of the room,
it's because all of my teachers are sitting right here.
If you've ever had to teach in front of your teachers,
pray for me.
Okay, so just to give you a little background on me,
I'm what you call a late bloomer.
I didn't encounter Jesus until December of 2014.
I'll never forget the day.
I was a bit of a party girl.
I worked in entertainment and the music industry,
comics for a hot second,
TV film where I spent 10 years in LA doing that.
And I was just, I didn't know I was doing it,
but I was kind of looking for God in all the wrong places.
And then I'm going to do something
and she's going to hate it.
There's a woman in the front right here
by the name of Catherine Warnock.
Can you just stand up or raise your hand really quickly?
Just stand up.
Okay, and sit down.
All right.
Catherine met me before I knew the Lord.
that this is something about the prophetic.
She didn't prophesy over me,
because honestly, if she did,
I wouldn't have known what to do with it.
But she, you remember when Chris
was talking about past, present?
She didn't see me through past, present.
She saw me through future, present.
And so she just treated me
who she thought I was gonna be.
And she asked to meet with me.
She's like, I think we should meet every two weeks,
which like in my world is not a thing.
I'm like, okay, why?
Like, are you my therapist?
What's going on?
So, and she was just,
she was low key, like low key discipling me.
But I didn't really fully get exactly what was happening.
And then one day she had a birthday party
and I happened to stop by.
And there was a girl there
and we were just chatting, doing small talk.
And we realized that we both
were gonna be in Thailand in a couple months.
I was just getting off this TV show.
I just wanted to go travel.
And she was going with a group of friends
who were doing some out of the box type stuff.
And we had this conversation.
All of a sudden she was just like,
oh my gosh, you should join us.
And I was like, okay.
Cause I'm a seven on the Enneagram
and I say yes to adventure very easily.
And before I knew it,
I'm gonna just sum up the story really quickly.
I found myself at the airport
with all these people from a place
I didn't really know a lot about
called the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry.
I crashed a Bethel mission strip.
Now, here's what I want you to know.
And I'm sure Chris wants you to know this
and I can verify this cause I had done the school.
They do not let struggling young women
who've just been to Burning Man join mission strips, okay?
But I did.
And I don't know how that happened to be quite honest.
And I got exposed to a culture
and I saw people prophesy.
Honestly, the first time I saw someone prophesy,
she was on stage and she was like, I see a tree.
And I was like, where is the tree?
There's no tree in here.
I've never heard anyone speak this language before.
And I saw healings and signs and wonders and miracles.
And I watched through curious eyes
and then at some point skeptical eyes.
And then I prayed a really dangerous prayer
where I was like, I don't know what's going on here.
I was like, but God, if you are really real,
I'm gonna need you to do something to me.
And so in Bangkok, Thailand,
I had a radical encounter with the power of God.
I was in like a, I wish I wrote it down,
but I was too drunk too.
It was like a seven to 10 day walking encounter
and I was out of my mind and it was amazing.
And I haven't been the same since, so.
So, and so I went back to LA
and I was kind of like so excited about,
I was telling people like Jesus is alive
and he can speak to you.
And so I was walking around the city
and I was prophesying,
but I wasn't, I was still working out my new creation.
So there was definitely a season
where I was still smoking and prophesying.
So I'd be like, you know what I see?
You know what I mean?
It was a whole vibe.
But eventually God was like, okay.
He was like, hey, Lindsay's like,
I'm gonna ship you off.
Like, let's take you to the mothership,
this place that birthed you.
And he's like, let's go check out BSSM.
And so I came to did school here
and I did three whole years
where I got to like do a deep dive
in the Bible and the prophetic
and learn from the incredible teachers
and also just the people that come here.
And it was in my second or third year,
I think it was my third year of salvation and school,
that I got a phone call one day
from an old friend of mine.
We had worked in like advertising and film and stuff before
and she had witnessed the change in me
because I would come to BSSM
and then go back to LA in the summer
and then go back and forth.
And every time I came back,
I was just a little bit crazier, right?
And she had been seeing me do this thing called prophesying
and she called me one day and she was like,
hey, so she worked for a production company
and they put on big parties
for well-known Hollywood events, okay?
And so she was like,
hey, we're doing this party for blah, blah, blah.
And we wanted to do like an Alice in Wonderland type theme.
And she was like,
and I was thinking what would be cool for the party
is to have fortune tellers and dream interpreters.
And she was like, don't you kind of do the same thing now?
And I was like, okay, no, listen,
I listen to God and I call out their heavenly identity
and I call out the gold and they're like,
she was like, okay, I mean, whatever.
And then she goes, do you want to replace the psychics?
Yeah.
I did, yeah.
So I was like, I was like, yes,
but I was like, let me get back to you.
And the Holy Spirit was so kind
and he was basically like, bring this to somebody.
So I brought it to Ben and I was like.
okay, here's the deal, here's what I wanna do,
what do you think?
And he was like, oh, he was like,
this is so Daniel, like absolutely.
And he gave me some wisdom, he was like, don't go alone.
Which that was wise, right, that's a hot tip.
So, like the Avengers, I put together a team, right?
And we went, and I gotta tell you,
if someone told me my ministry would be
renting tuxes and ball gowns
and smuggling them into Bollywood parties,
I like would not have believed it, but we did it.
And it was like, we're at a party
and everybody is like drinking and smoking and partying
and then there was like us right here
and it was like the prayer line at church,
but we were at a party, right?
And it was like this culture clash,
but actually it wasn't a clash
because the superior kingdom made itself known.
Yes!
Because we started prophesying and people cried,
I mean, people, honestly, I felt like one guy
kinda got like low-key delivery,
like shook and screamed out a little bit,
it got kinda wild.
And one of the actresses said to the producers of the event,
she was like, the most interesting thing at this party
is happening in that corner over there.
And it was amazing, it was so amazing for me
to experience the prophetic,
which I had experienced in the church,
but in this world that I once belonged in, right?
And so then I was like, I wanna do it again.
And I just didn't think that, I was really naive
and I didn't think that opportunity was gonna happen again.
So, and I was wrong, actually.
I've replaced the psychics seven times,
with teams.
Yeah.
So one day I'm gonna write a movie about it,
but until that day.
But in that time period when I didn't know
that there was gonna be more invitations,
I started thinking up, how can I get the voice of God
into people's lives outside the church?
And so a little thing was born called the prophetic report.
And so I'm just gonna sum it up quickly.
Basically, I just got my friends together
and I would pick someone that we wanted to prophesy over
and they would prophesy over them
and then I would take all those words
and put it in like a beautiful format.
And we called it the prophetic report.
And it was kind of like this stealthy evangelism thing
that we were doing,
because not everyone was ready to like go to church
or even talk to an evangelist or a prophet,
but like anybody can sign for a FedEx package
or open up a PDF, right?
And so we were just sending them wherever we could go
and all this like fruit was born
and like word of mouth spread
and people were like,
hey, can you do a prophetic report for this person?
And we got to send them to people of all walks of faith.
There was an actor who actually gave his life
to Jesus after it,
because there was so much information in it
that like proved that God was real.
So it was this fun thing that we were doing,
but as more doors opened for events
and reports to go to other places,
I was starting to feel this weight and responsibility
where I was like, okay,
I feel like we need to practice and train,
but I got to tell you,
I wasn't sure if that was allowed to be quite honest.
Newsflash it is.
Okay, so I am speaking to you today
from chapter nine of your manual
based at training in the prophetic by Chris Vallotton.
Let's get into it.
Okay, so who knows this verse, right?
For God has not given us a spirit of fear,
but of power and of love and a sound mind.
You know it, right?
We say it when we're like really scared
or like something, you know, something,
I had to say it right before I got on this stage
or before a blind date.
So here's the thing.
You see it on memes all the time, right?
Yeah, and in 2020, I saw it everywhere.
Like, and it was on, here's just one example.
26 Bible verses to uphold you
through the COVID-19 pandemic.
For God has not given us a spirit of fear,
but of power and of love and a sound mind, right?
They were everywhere, but context is important, right?
So what is the verse before it?
So this is Paul, he's in Rome, he's talking to Timothy
and he's like, therefore I remind you
to stir up the gift of God,
which is in you through the laying on of my hands.
For God has not given us a spirit of fear,
but of power and of love and a sound mind.
Okay, so one, this tells us a couple of things, right?
So first he's saying, stir it up.
That was huge for me because I thought the prophetic
had to be this sort of organic, spontaneous moment
and those do happen and I love them and I live for them.
But suddenly I was like, wait, I can chase after it?
And then I realized the Lord was like,
yeah, it's my voice, like you're coming closer to me,
of course you can chase after it.
But then it also told me that stirring up the gift
is messy because he's like, hey, reminding you,
don't be fearful.
So that means, Chris says this really good.
Like sometimes if we're stepping out in our faith,
we have to step over fear, right?
And then it's also telling me
that I'm gonna need to pull on power and love.
And I love the translation that says a sound mind
because also in the pursuit of practicing prophecy,
there are moments we were like, did I sound crazy?
Right?
You're just like, so, okay.
All right, so let's practice, right?
There is something,
I also wanna talk about Hebrews though too.
That was another verse.
Again, I just kept, read the Bible recently
and so I kept finding things in the Bible
and be like, it's in the Bible.
And I wrote this down
because I haven't memorized it all yet,
but Hebrews 5.14,
but solid food is for the mature
who by constant use have trained themselves
to distinguish good and evil.
So I remember when I read that,
I was like, okay, well, what's good?
God is good.
Okay, let me figure out,
how can I figure out some ways to tell if God is speaking?
And I was kind of like playing around
and I didn't really know what I was doing.
And then I went to my first school of the prophets
and I heard Dano talk about measurables.
And I was like, that is a great word
because I wanted to stay from this area of right and wrong.
Cause I don't know how many times
I thought I heard God wrong
and then I was wrong about that
and it actually proved itself later.
So I was like, a measurable is showing me
in the measure that I'm hearing him.
So let's break down two, these are two things,
two tools, well, actually, sorry, let me go back to this.
For the note takers, we're gonna have two tools
that we're gonna talk about today,
measurables and something called
the anatomy of the prophetic word.
First, we're gonna dive into measurables.
Okay, definition, I love a definition
is a measurable is able to be measured.
Great.
So I just, so I was like,
so I was like, how can I measure if I'm hearing God or not?
So then I just started, I'm a researcher,
I love researching and stuff.
And so, and God had been talking to me about,
hey, if you can only love cause I first loved,
maybe you can only create because I first created.
So then I just started realizing
there's a lot of humans on the earth
creating things for a while
and I wonder if he's in it somewhere.
So I was looking into the realm of science and stuff
and I discovered across this method called the blind method.
So I'll just read the definition.
Blind method is when information
which may influence the participants of the experiment
is withheld until after the experiment is complete.
So you know what this reminded me of?
I was like, this is Daniel two.
So remember Nebuchadnezzar had a dream
and he didn't know what to do with it
and he brought his magicians and he was like,
I'm not gonna tell you the dream, he was testing them.
He was like, you tell me the dream and the interpretation.
And they were like, there's no man that can do that.
And I'm gonna paraphrase.
And then basically Daniel was like,
well, I know a God who reveals mysteries, right?
So I was like, okay.
I was like, well, Daniel did it.
Maybe I could try and do it.
And so I started playing around
with how I could measure hearing God.
And so we got a little creative.
This is an Excel spreadsheet,
me and a friend made way back in the day
when I was creating the prophetic lab.
I created the prophetic lab
because we were doing these reports
and I wanted to practice.
And I just went through,
we went through and just found people
from all over the world, right?
In different spheres.
And we put their names in this first column
and then we put code names next to it, right?
And you can see that the first column is blacked out.
And I sat down with God
and I remember I did it at Bethel here
in the office over there.
I was like, I hope this is okay.
And I was like, okay, God,
I wanna study your voice.
I'm trying to figure out how you're speaking to me.
So I would look at it.
What I'm about to show you is not an example,
but actually the very first time I did this,
this is what I did.
I was like male 1069.
I sat with God and I was like, okay.
I imagined myself sitting on a couch.
And because I worked in TV,
I imagined me and Jesus were sitting next to each other
and there was a TV screen.
And then in my mind's eye,
I was like, what do you wanna show me about this person?
And then I just blurted out the first thing
that came to my mind, right?
And then he was like, hey, Lindsay,
remember this is a conversation.
And I was like, oh, right.
Like I kind of left the conversation.
I was just went into a guessing game.
And I was like, okay, God, let's do this again.
So then he, I saw something like,
and this is in my mind's eye.
Okay. It's like your imagination.
I'm trying to get this computer.
Okay.
I saw the movie Greece.
play out on the screen.
And I was like, okay.
And I was like, it's John Travolta.
And he was like, Lindsay.
And then I have this great mystic prophet mentor
in my life.
And sometimes he says these Yoda things to me.
And he taught me something really cool about Revelation.
He said, it's like catching fireflies.
So, you know, when you see fireflies,
it's like, there's the light and they're in front of you,
right?
And then you want to grab it,
but if you do, if you're like too fast and stuff,
like you'll miss it.
But if your posture is you open your hand, right?
And you let it come to you and you move with it
and you feel it, you can, right?
So that taught me to slow down.
And it taught me to kind of be like, where is the peace?
It was something that I've heard people,
Christians say a lot, like, where's the peace on that?
Or do you feel the peace?
And I was like, what are they talking about?
And so I was like, but I was like, I want to train myself.
The difference between good and evil.
So I want to train myself to recognize God.
So I was like, okay, is it John Travolta?
And I honestly was like, I didn't, I was like, okay,
I don't really feel, I don't actually feel landed.
So then I was like, all right, you didn't show me a person.
You showed me the movie Grease.
What does Grease make me think about?
It makes me think about the 1950s.
Because I saw it when I was a little girl.
And when I saw it, I was like,
I want to be one of those poodle skirts.
And my mom was like,
oh, it's like if you're a 50s girl for Halloween.
That's, I got it from Grease.
So I was like, okay, 1950s.
And I was like, well,
are you just telling me that this person
was born in the 50s?
And then I just, I just kind of felt something.
And I was, and then I tried to ask some other questions
and I didn't, I don't remember what they were
because this was years ago, but I was like, okay,
I think, are you saying it's someone born in the 1950s?
And so I clicked on it.
And it was, it was Steve Jobs, born in 1955.
Not the most earth shattering revelation.
However, do not despise the day of small beginnings
because the Lord loves to see the work begin.
And so I kept doing this over and over again
because I wanted to train my senses
on how he was speaking to me.
So what happened was later when I was at a party
or on the prayer line, if someone came up to me
and I started to pray for them,
and suddenly like the movie I watched from last night
before, or a memory popped up,
I didn't discount it right away, right?
I was like, wait, maybe you've done,
I've built a history with you.
You've been, you've, it's like, he goes in your head
and he's like, what's in here?
And I don't know why, listen,
I love it when the Lord speaks literally,
it's amazing and it's my favorite,
but he hides stuff for us, right?
And so I was learning how he was hiding things.
And so I started to practice this language with me
when I was talking to people.
Do you guys want to give it a try?
Okay.
All right.
I've picked a location in the world.
God knows who it is.
I know, cause we had a business meeting earlier
and I told him, he thinks it's really cute when I do that.
But so here's what I want you to do.
I want you to ask the Holy Spirit
to give you a location.
And I want you, this is what I don't want you to do.
I don't want you to jump to be like, it's Paris.
It's obviously not Paris.
Okay. You know what I mean?
I want you to be like, hey, you could try my method,
the screen method, I call it,
and imagine a screen, what comes on the screen,
but you could also press into your other senses.
Like, what do you, what do you hear?
Right?
What do you, do you hear a babbling brook?
What do you feel?
Do you feel peace?
Do you feel chaos?
What does it feel like?
And is there something that just, you know,
something that just pops up inside of you.
And I want you to write it down like clues.
Okay.
And this is really safe.
You're not going to have to show anybody what you get.
Like this is a really safe place to practice.
I want you to do that.
And then, and we're going to set a timer and maybe,
I don't know, I didn't ask the sound guys,
but can we play nice music when they do it?
And then I want you to do this part.
I want you to ask God,
how are you moving in this place
over the next couple of years?
Okay.
So we're going to look for some details around this location
and then you're also going to press in for like a future
and how he's moving in it.
Okay.
So we are going to give you three minutes.
And if sound guys could play some nice music, great.
If not, you'll be fine.
Okay.
So let the one who loves you speak to you
and just like a kid, write down what you get.
Originally, I put a video on YouTube of me singing this song, but I decided not to subtitle
it because it would be ridiculous.
The Lord bless you, and keep you, and make His face shine upon you, and be gracious to
you.
The Lord turn His face toward you, and give you peace.
Amen.
The Lord bless you and keep you.
Make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you.
The Lord turn His face toward you and give you peace.
Amen.
So, okay, you guys want to know what it is?
Okay.
First of all, I'm going to ask a couple questions, just curious.
And this is the part where you can be brave.
Did anyone see anything about, like, an island?
Okay.
Wow, okay.
Did anybody see anything about, like, a city?
Did anybody see shapes?
Did anyone see clocks?
Cool, yeah, you're all right.
The location was Times Square in New York City.
Are you having a moment where you're like, wait, that was him, right?
So, I'm so curious about what you hear about how God is moving there in the next couple years.
Mostly because I was there recently, and I had a mystical encounter with God on Wall Street, of all places.
So profound that I actually canceled my flight and stayed longer.
I was like, what are you doing here?
Okay, so here's the deal.
I love doing this, and me and my teams practice this all the time.
I want to give you a key.
When you get something accurate, I want you to be so excited and celebrate it.
But instead of going into the, I was right, can you go into, he's speaking to me.
That was him, right? Yeah, okay, this will help.
Okay, so those are, that's an example of measurable activation.
Another
measurable activation that I like to do is this thing called prophesy your year.
I started it in 2019 and I started it because I caught my own bad behavior,
which was this, and this happens in the prophetic a lot,
I found that I was more comfortable giving a word to someone else than listening to God for myself.
I caught it. So I was like, okay, this, this needs to change.
So I just sat down. It's actually one of my favorite ways to spend New Year's Eve, but you can do it at any time.
And I just listened for each month. Okay, and I would ask him questions and like, what am I enjoying this month?
What are we talking about? Is there a key for me in Scripture this month?
Are there signs I should be paying attention to? And, and listen, the purpose of this is to not know everything that's gonna happen.
That is not what, that's not the purpose of this. The purpose of it is to
recognize how he speaks to you. Okay, and so this is a great activation to do for
recognizing how he speaks to you for you. Like it helps you so you can get your muscles strong.
What was I gonna say? I forgot. Oh, yeah. Okay, so now we're gonna do it. That's it. Activation.
I was going to have you write what was gonna happen tomorrow, but I'm going to quickly change.
I have a different idea. And if we can do it quickly, can we do it? Can you agree? So,
I believe that God has a word that he wants to give all of you, right? And I think you're all carrying a word for somebody
tomorrow.
So, let's take these two lovely ladies right here, Janine and Alyssa.
I want you to find a partner. And like, for example, I'd say, Alyssa, ask God,
who does Janine have a word for tomorrow and describe her? And then tomorrow,
Janine gets to walk around her day looking for that person. Okay, so does that sound fun?
Are we practicing? We're practicing recognizing what is good. We're practicing what is recognizing what is good.
We're practicing what is recognizing what is God. Okay. All right. So, find a partner.
You can just pick the person next to you or whatever. And I will give you, you'll each have a minute,
three minutes. I'm going to set the timer for three minutes. Okay.
You can describe what they're wearing or how they feel.
Okay.
Get your prophetic marching orders.
Okay. Is that it? All right. All right. That is time. Bring your eyes back to me.
Help me. Okay. Can I? I just said the card to me.
Yeah, all right, come back, come back, come back, come back.
Okay.
Okay, you guys, tomorrow,
this is like a spiritual scavenger hunt.
We're gonna look for this person, okay?
So I just want you to know,
prophesy your year is something
that's really fun to do by yourself,
but then I've also done it with friends, okay?
And like New Year's Eve, we would get like sewed on.
For 2020, we got together
and then we did it for each other, blind.
I called my mom and my mom has no idea
what I'm doing half the time.
I was like, can you make us all code names
and call me back and don't tell me who's who?
And so, literally, my poor parents are just like,
what's going on?
But yeah, so this is a really great way,
but you know what else I learned as I started,
as I've been, and I've done this for a couple of years now,
is I learned, I was like, wow.
I was like, I hear him way more than I thought.
And also, my sense of timing is way off.
So there are times, there are things that I was like,
this is gonna happen in June.
And it did happen two years later in March.
You know what I mean?
So I was like, okay, Lindsay, this is helpful.
You should not give timestamps on words that you kept.
Like, I don't, I have not figured that out.
I mean, I literally prophesied that I was gonna be in Italy
in March of 2020.
They shut it down that month, okay?
Like, so like, but did I freak out?
I'm like, oh my gosh, no, I don't hear the Lord.
No, my relationship with him is just not that fragile.
You know, we just, we laugh about it.
Missed that one, you know?
Okay.
All right, now we're gonna move into the next thing.
Ready?
Oh no, wait, I spoke too soon, classic.
First, I wanna say this.
I'm talking to you a lot about measurables, right?
Getting feedback, doing, and I, and that is important.
And it's really good to practice with people
that you can get feedback from.
But I, because I do this so much at the lab,
I had a concern and I had to start addressing it.
You also need to be, we don't wanna become needy, okay?
You need to be willing to prophesy and sow seeds
and maybe never hear anything back.
Because we don't wanna start making it about us
and how well we're doing or an approval rating.
So go for measurables,
but also be willing to sow seeds, okay?
All right, cool.
That's gonna be important later, the suspense.
Okay.
This.
All right, this is a thing that I do
that I, I came up with this cute little term.
I call it the anatomy of a prophetic word.
Here's what I want you to know.
This is not the end all, okay?
And this is not a formula.
It's a conversation starter.
So for me, when I was going to prophesy,
I would kind of just get a little bit overwhelmed
on like, ah, where to begin?
Or like, what am I getting?
And then because I see very metaphorically,
then I was like, how, what does this picture relate to?
And I wanted to figure out a way,
especially since I was going to these parties
and I'm like, you know, sometimes like having to prophesy
over somebody while they're like vaping weed,
I'm not kidding you.
And you're like, how can I hit them in the heart right now
and not be, and by the way, God's not offended by that.
He wants to speak to his children.
But I was like, I, I was like, I want to,
I want to give them, my friend Emery uses this great phrase.
She calls it the word package.
Put it in a beautiful word package that they could receive.
And so I was like, how can I do that?
And what happened was,
because I do prophetic reports for people,
which were, again, is where I get a bunch
of prophetic words for one person.
I started to analyze them, okay?
And I started to notice that there are certain kinds
of words that people give.
And I started to like, be like, wait a minute.
What if I started to put all of these different kinds
of words together?
So here is what I like to call the anatomy
of a prophetic word, conversation starters with God.
Again, not a formula.
It all starts in God's heart.
That's the part of the anatomy we need to get to first.
And these were areas that I found people giving words.
So a lot of times someone would give an identity word,
but then I noticed like someone would give a word just
about like things that they carried.
And sometimes people do a mix of a few,
but I noticed this happening over and over again
that I was like, I wonder if I can create a system
out of this and start like pressing God for these areas.
So let's get into what each one is.
Identity, all right.
Identity words are calling out who God says they are.
It is not your job title.
It is who you are.
Heaven sees you.
Here are some examples.
You are the deliverer of hope.
This is actually a friend of mine got this word
and it changed her life because it helps her realize
that's who she is.
So when she's in a room, she knows how to own
that she's the one who's gonna give hope.
That's who she is.
Or I have a friend that is the militant peacemaker.
So it'd be like, the identity word would be like,
you are the militant peacemaker.
But you can also say it many different ways.
We're talking about language, guys.
So I'm gonna give you some,
you can say things in many different ways.
Sometimes you might say it as I see you as,
like, I see you as a modern day Daniel, right?
Or you're like a tree rooted and grounded in love, you know?
So these are identity words.
They don't have to be a sentence.
I'm just showing you the heart of the message, okay?
Does that make sense?
Okay.
Next, there are gifts and skills words.
Okay, this is when we're calling out what people carry.
I like to imagine it.
A friend told me once, he explained it to me.
He's like, it's like a tool belt, right?
It's a tool that they have in their tool belt.
And it's for other people, they're gifts.
And it's interesting.
I realized I give a lot of these words.
I always joke.
I was like, my gift is I know what your gift is.
That's why I do the prophetic lab and SQ Institute.
That makes sense, right?
So here's an example.
And here's how I figured that out too,
is I kept receiving this word from people.
You carry a gift of discerning spirits.
And then I realized, oh my gosh,
that's why I give words about gifts and skills all the time.
Because I was discerning
where the gifts of God were on them, right?
Like I was knowing them after God.
Or you, so these are,
or you might say something that is a natural gift,
even though I personally think they're all supernatural,
but for the sake of conversation,
you might say like, you have a voice that commands the room.
Or maybe you have the ability to make a room full
of strangers become a room full of friends.
These are gifts and skill words.
Does this make sense?
Are you tracking?
Okay, cool.
Next is, and this one is my favorite, foretelling.
Insights into the future.
Okay, so on StrengthsFinders, futuristic is in my top five.
I love the future, okay?
It's my favorite thing to talk to God about.
And as soon as I encounter someone,
I'm like, tell me the future.
That is just what I wanna know.
I even wore green today
because in my secret language with God, mine,
God uses green to symbolize prophecy, prophets, the future.
So here is an example of a foretelling word
that actually was Chris's word for Bethany,
which is you are going to write the book
that redefines mothering in the kingdom of God, right?
He's calling something that's not yet to what it is.
He's calling it out.
And what I love about this example of a foretelling word
is that Bethany then didn't just sit
and wait for a book to magically appear, right?
And she also didn't just take it at face value.
She said she brought some counsel of the wise around
to judge it.
And then she was like, I'm gonna partner with it.
And now we have a book, right?
So these are foretelling words.
Yes, there is also foretelling,
but for questions about how do you know
when you're foretelling or forth telling?
I don't know yet, but ask Chris and Dana, okay?
I don't know how to tell.
I know that it happens and I know the difference.
I just don't know.
I don't know how to tell when it's happening.
Okay, okay.
Next up, and this is one of my second favorite ones.
This is actionable intel.
Okay, I want you to hear this.
This is not directional, okay?
That is a completely different territory
and has its own protocols.
This is actionable intel.
And here's how this happened.
I was helping a friend process a prophetic word
on their life.
And they had this word about like,
you're gonna start a church in Spain
and a revival is gonna break out.
And it was all this really big stuff
and they didn't live in Spain.
They had zero connections to Spain, okay?
So then I was like, oh, okay.
And so then we're looking at it and I was like,
do you want this word?
And she was like, yeah.
So I was like, oh.
And I was like, do you know Spanish?
And she was like, no.
And I was like, maybe consider learning Spanish, right?
That's some actionable intel, that's a key.
And so then I was like, wait.
I was learning it by reviewing other words
and finding hidden keys on how to partner with God.
But then I was like, hey God, can I release the key?
And here's what I wanna tell you about actionable intel words
is there is a great word in the dictionary
and it's called consider.
This way, when you present something to someone,
if you give them consider,
it gives them more empowered to decide
if they wanna do it or not.
And so we just.
I just started in a real low-stakes way.
I was like, God, I wanna give them some keys
to bring heaven to earth, right?
It was kinda big, I'm always so big, but in an easy way.
And so first I was like, hey, is there a key for them
in scripture this season that I can give them?
And then I'd be like, God watches movies with me,
and so I'd be like, and he speaks to me through movies,
so sometimes I'd be like, hey, is there a movie
you wanna speak to them through, or is there something?
And one time, he even told me a date
that he wanted someone to go on,
and then they went and did it, and it was an amazing story.
So it's just like these fun, actionable things
that people could consider taking
to partner with God in that season.
There's a fun, so we started practicing this
in the prophetic lab, right?
And we do the thing, we're all code names,
we're all prophesying over each other,
and we were practicing actionable intel.
And a friend of mine got a word from someone,
and it said, numbers is highlighted to me,
like not the book numbers, but numbers,
like one, two, three, four, five, okay.
Numbers is highlighted to me,
consider learning about numbers in scripture.
Okay, so she was looking at that,
and she was reviewing all of her prophetic words
in her report, right?
We had made them for each other.
And so she's reading these prophetic words,
and there were these two big words about a career change.
And she was a first-year student,
and honestly, it sounded impossible and insane.
And she actually wasn't even worried about them,
she just thought people got them wrong, right?
But she had this word that was like,
consider learning about numbers in scripture.
She's like, I can do that.
So she got a book and she started just studying
like, you know, 40 days,
and like, what are these numbers meaning in scripture?
And after she went through that book,
this crazy thing happened where we don't have time for it.
This acceleration took place,
and suddenly those two big words
about like the impossible job suddenly manifested.
And she came to me and she was like,
look, I don't know how to explain this,
but I feel something in my spirit.
I think there's something about reading the book
about numbers and studying numbers
that like activated something.
And so here's the thing I wanna say about that.
We don't do something to get something,
but we can be excited about partnering, right?
And just being childlike.
Like numbers had nothing to do with these jobs,
literally nothing, but the kingdom is upside down, right?
So it's exciting to partner with heaven
and see what happens, right?
Okay.
And lastly, scriptural intelligence,
because I love the symmetry with spiritual intelligence.
Scriptural intelligence is bringing the Bible into our words.
We need more Bible in our words, amen?
Yeah, okay.
And so one of my favorite things
that I've started to see happen
and have a huge value for now
is actually just prophesying through the word of God.
So here's an example.
I got this word and this guy, he just took second Corinthians.
He was like,
the weapons you fight with are not weapons of this world.
On the contrary,
they have divine power to demolish strongholds.
And I was like, cool.
Like that's the verse.
And I was like, okay, whatever.
And thank you, I agree.
But it was actually shortly after that,
that I went through a really interesting trial in my life
with my health regarding sleep.
And I was going to the doctors over and over again,
and they could not, they tested me for everything, okay?
I even had to go to a sleep laboratory,
which was crazy since I run the prophetic lab.
It was way too parabolic for me.
But by the way,
the nurse had an encounter with the Holy Spirit
while I was in there, so.
And she literally said to me,
sorry, we're gonna just one rabbit hole.
She's like, the reason you're in here
is because they can't figure out what's wrong with you,
but you said that you can hear God,
and so that's why we have you in the lab.
And I was like, okay, got it, okay.
But I remember,
I went back to this word,
and I felt I was like, wait, God,
I think you're tipping me off
that maybe what I'm dealing with is spiritual.
And so I went to town on this and brought people with me,
and we gained victory over it, okay?
So that is a power,
like sometimes God will highlight a scripture,
and you can just let the word do the work, okay?
But additionally, when you are giving a prophetic word,
and maybe you're calling them out
as the deliverer of hope or something,
I think of it like in high school or college,
did you ever write a paper and have to write a thesis
and then support the thesis, right?
So if you're giving a prophetic word,
sometimes they'd be like, is there scripture in this?
There's promises and hope and strategies
anchored in the word of God.
So then I started training
because I wanted it to be so that
when me and my team prophesied,
someone comes up and we're calling out who they are,
these are the gifts that you carry
that God wants you to know about right now,
speaking into their future,
giving them a key to get them there
and then grounding it in the word of God, right?
It's powerful, that would be like a blueprint from heaven.
Do I do that in my verbal flow?
Nope.
I've practiced, I've done it one time,
and it took me four years.
It's taken me four years.
Because in my verbal flow,
it's just not natural for me to click through a list.
But do you know a great place to train?
Is to write it.
So writing prophetic words,
even if you're a prophetic artist or an intercessor,
writing prophetic words is just a great way to train.
And it helps my brain start being like,
how to, pressing into these areas.
But there is something that I think about a lot with Daniel
where it says that he was gifted with wisdom and tact.
So there are also times where it's learning,
like what kind of word do they need right now?
So sometimes, you know,
I use this example a lot,
like when we went through the car fire,
and I remember being on like the prayer line,
and I remember the Lord being like,
hey, Lindsay, not the time for future words right now.
They need comfort.
Remind them who they are.
Encourage them.
Give them a scripture, right?
So it's knowing the timing too.
Okay.
So I was wondering if today we wanted to combine
our two tools and do a blind method anatomy activation.
Are you guys open to this?
Can the ushers start coming forward?
Okay, so you guys,
I love bringing the prophetic outside the church.
And there's like, how many of us gathered right now?
Like 500 online, 600, I don't know.
A lot of people.
Five, six, seven, so like 800 people.
Okay.
900 people.
All right, you guys.
So I made a few phone calls,
and I found a group of people
that would be so honored for us to take a moment
to encourage them.
And we have assigned them all code names.
Now, if you were at School of the Prophets
a couple of years ago,
and I tricked you all into prophesying of yourself,
that's not what's happening.
We are literally 900 people.
We're all gonna listen to God at the same time.
This is gonna be so powerful.
And we are going to prophesy
and then send those rockets of encouragement out, okay?
This is gonna be our, how we,
we're gonna get to sow a seed, right?
Okay, so there are four people in the room.
There are ushers just passing out,
stationery and pens.
So you're gonna receive stationery,
and there will be a code name on it.
For the online audience,
there should be a link that they're putting in the chat
and possibly pinning it.
That link is going to take you to a Google Form, okay?
There's a dropdown menu.
You're gonna see all these code names, right?
Sorry, oh, look at the camera.
Sorry, guys, I'm not looking down on you.
Okay, there's gonna be a dropdown menu.
What I want you to do is just with Holy Spirit,
which number is highlighted?
And if you're still like,
I don't know when something's highlighted,
then just pick one.
Pick one, and then in the box,
you're going to write your prophetic word.
And here's what I wanna ask you guys to do.
So we just went through the anatomy, right?
So let's just pursue God's heart
specifically in these areas.
Let's ask God, like, who is this person?
What do you say about them?
Who are they?
What is a gift or skill that they carry?
And then I want you to ask for scriptural intelligence.
Is there a verse in there that they need in this season?
Is there a topic in the Bible
that God wants them to explore?
What in scripture is highlighted to you
that has a key for them?
I'm gonna repeat it one more time.
I want you to pursue God's heart around who they are,
what they carry, and release a key in scripture for them.
But one more thing, I just wanna lay out a few protocols.
So Bethany Hicks taught me this, it's great.
Put your hand on your head.
If, oh my gosh, you guys are all doing it right now.
If the word you give is a word
that you would like to receive,
or you would let someone give to your grandmother,
then that's good.
If not, don't do it.
Does that make sense?
We want to be encouraging.
We wanna be responsible.
So responsible is, I don't want, like,
be responsible in that maybe you don't wanna say something
like, I think you're gonna marry someone named Sue.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what do you wanna hold responsibility for?
And then be clear and be kind.
So if you are a metaphorical seer
and you get a lot of pictures,
don't just leave the picture.
Help them understand what you think it means.
Okay, so we are going to give you 10 minutes
and I want you to stay in this.
This moment, okay?
If you're done, I'd ask you to resist the urge
to talk to your neighbor,
because we don't want to be casual about an atmosphere
where people are listening to the Lord, okay?
Okay, if we could play some nice music, 10 minutes.
All of these names have been prayed over,
and I'm gonna be praying for you right now.
Okay, here we go.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10.
Let's go.
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ In the presence of my enemies ♪
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ Louder than the unbelief ♪
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ My weapon is a melody ♪
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ Heaven comes to fight for me ♪
♪ I'm gonna sing in the middle of the storm ♪
♪ Louder and louder ♪
♪ You're gonna hear my praises roar ♪
♪ Up from the ashes, hope will arise ♪
♪ Death is defeated, the King is alive ♪
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ With everything inside of me ♪
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ I will watch the darkness flee ♪
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ In the middle of the mystery ♪
♪ I raise a hallelujah ♪
♪ Fear you lost your hold on me ♪
♪ I'm gonna sing in the middle of the storm ♪
♪ Louder and louder ♪
♪ You're gonna hear my praises roar ♪
♪ Up from the ashes, hope will arise ♪
♪ Death is defeated, the King is alive ♪
♪ The King is alive ♪
♪ Sing a little louder ♪
♪ In the presence of my enemies ♪
♪ Sing a little louder ♪
♪ Louder than the unbelief ♪
♪ Sing a little louder ♪
♪ My weapon is a melody ♪
♪ Sing a little louder ♪
♪ Heaven comes to fight for me ♪
♪ Sing a little louder ♪
♪ I'm gonna sing in the middle of the sea ♪
Storm. Louder and louder. You're gonna hear my praises roar. Up from the ashes, hope will arise.
Death is defeated. The king is alive. I'm gonna sing in the middle of the storm. Louder and louder. You're gonna hear my praises roar. Up from the ashes, hope will arise.
Death is defeated. The king is alive.
Alleluia. Alleluia.
When darkness tries to roll over my bones. When sorrow comes to steal the joy I own.
When brokenness and pain is all I know. I won't be shaken. No, I won't be shaken.
My fear doesn't stand a chance when I stand in Your love. My fear doesn't stand a chance when I stand in Your love. My fear doesn't stand a chance when I stand in Your love.
She no longer has a place to hide.
I am not a captive to the lies.
I'm not afraid to leave my past behind.
I won't be shaken.
My fear doesn't stand a chance when I stand in Your love. My fear doesn't stand a chance when I stand in Your love.
There's power that can break off every chain. There's power that can empty out a grave.
There's resurrection power that can save. There's power in Your name, power in Your name.
My fear doesn't stand a chance when I stand in Your love.
Okay, that's time. Can the ushers start coming forward and collecting all of the stationery please?
And then for the online audience, I will need you to wrap your word and hit submit.
Okay, great, we're coming forward.
Okay, so how did that feel?
Yeah, how was it pursuing his heart for certain areas?
Was that uncomfortable?
Was that hard?
Feeling good?
Okay, yeah, okay.
I want you guys to know that actually this is,
I just want to say again, this is not the end all.
Even in my teaching of the anatomy,
there's two things that I didn't even include on here
just for the sake of time.
But, you know, find some,
you can even let God highlights other areas to you,
subjects you want to explore, create your own anatomy.
But this is a great place to start
because I found that these areas,
I wanted to give people something to war with
and this helps.
Okay, I'm basically just filling the air real quick
because I'm waiting for the things to get collected.
All right, do you guys want to know where these are going?
Okay, so School of the Prophets, class of 2022,
together we have sown a seed
and we are sending prophetic words
to five different prisons in Texas.
Entire units, yeah, will be flooded
with heavenly encouragement.
And I got to tell you,
there's nothing like hearing the voice of God
to turn a prison into a palace.
And that's what we're praying for, okay?
Yeah, cute.
Okay, you guys, thank you so much
for doing practicing prophecy with me.
Could you find your people?
You don't have to ask about that,
but they're, yeah, they're so excited.
And I want you to know,
yeah, have fun with this.
Be playful with Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit's really playful.
Do some measurables with Him.
Practice training your senses to recognize where God is.
And I encourage you to also play around with friends.
I'm like, play with your friends.
Prophesy your year.
And if you're interested in exploring
more of these kinds of things,
this is what we do at the SQ Institute
and also the Prophetic Lab.
Okay, that's it, you guys.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
If we could get three stools up here as well.
You can go ahead and find your seats.
How many of you love that?
And it was super activating.
You know what I mean?
Talking about practicing prophecy and actually doing it.
Come on.
Way to go, Lindsay.
This is what Lindsay's passionate about
and she does all the time.
She loves people engaging with it.
And it's fun because even some of the people
who are pre-believers,
they're getting some of these prophetic reports
and they're getting them
and they get so excited about hearing the voice of God,
they say, well, could I hear the voice of God too?
And then Lindsay starts training them personally
how to learn all this stuff
so they can do it for themselves and hear God's voice.
So it's beautiful.
So we're gonna do a Q and A with these guys.
And I've got, can we get an extra mic as well, team?
Team awesome.
And then Chris is asking,
can we turn these lights down a little bit?
It depends on how it looks,
but we'll get one more mic, one more mic, I think.
Yeah, they're coming.
Okay.
Okay, you guys.
All right, so we have your questions.
Let's start with number one.
It's a great place to start.
So the first question is,
what is the difference between a psychic and a prophet?
The team they're playing for.
I think we talked about it yesterday
in one session or the day before.
We talked about the fact that a psychic's information
can be accurate, but it's coming from the wrong spirit.
Remember the reason why the devil knows your future
is because he's causing it.
And when you go to a psychic,
you put yourself in that, in his hands.
It's what Eve did when she listened to the devil.
And Adam and Eve, you know,
God gave the earth to Adam, you know,
to man through Adam and Eve.
And when Adam and Eve ate the fruit
that God told them not to eat, sorry,
they didn't just disobey God, they obeyed the devil.
And when they obeyed the devil, they switched masters.
And that's why Jesus had to come as a man.
The son of God had to become the son of man
so that sons of men could become sons of God.
God had to win the earth as a man
because he gave the earth to man.
So when we go to psychics,
we're actually putting ourselves under their care,
under their power.
And the worst thing about it isn't,
the words they give because they can be accurate,
but you got to remember who's making them accurate.
And I even have a story.
When I first got saved and went back to LA,
I was like, what's, very innocently,
like what's the difference
between me hearing God and a psychic?
And so I went to one, I sat down
and I had a bunch of people praying
and I actually recorded the session.
I just asked her a series of questions.
And I was like, hey, why did you,
how did you get into this business?
And so she started to explain to me
some experiences that she started having as a child.
Maybe some of you have had them with dreams and visions,
but she didn't have any Christians in her life or believers.
I actually want to make the difference
because there are some churches
that don't believe in any of that anyways.
But so anyways, maybe I should have said that.
So the point is we sat down and I was talking to her
and she was just, she was explaining to me
how she got in it and she had this gifting
and I was listening.
And then all of a sudden,
the presence of Jesus entered the room
and I became very aware of it.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
But then I forgot that I was sitting
with this spiritually attuned woman.
She goes, what is happening?
What is that?
And I was like, oh, right.
Okay, okay, okay.
So I was like, okay, well, here's the deal.
And I was like, Jesus is here.
And so then I started to talk to her
and then I started to prophesy over her.
And I started to, I don't know what I was saying,
but I said something, she broke down crying
and then my spiritual language came out
and I started speaking in tongues over her.
And then it ended and she was like,
what was that language you were speaking?
And I was like, well, it's my spiritual language
and I explained to her and she goes,
I used to have an experience where this bird,
because she would have things in the spirit come to her.
So this bird would show up
and it would speak that language
and it sounded just like that language you were speaking.
And every time it showed up,
I always wondered if it was Jesus or not.
And so, so then she said,
and so then she was like, so then she,
so I had recently listened to Chris Vallotton,
a podcast where he talked about helping a psychic out once.
And so I literally just quoted him to her and I go,
she has these spirit guides by their names,
I'm not gonna say them.
And I was like, hey, listen,
I don't think your guides are gonna like anything
that I've had to say here today, right?
And she was just like, she was like,
listen, I've been having some experiences,
it's getting really scary.
And she's like, I've been wondering
if I should get out of this business
and I've been asking for that.
And I feel like you are here for that very reason,
I'm quitting.
But, yeah.
The experience taught me some things where I'm like,
the gifts and calls are irrevocable, right?
But she just, but she didn't, she didn't know, so.
Exactly, so you know what?
I just pray for the evangelists.
I mean, we are all called to evangelize,
but I was like, wow, there are people,
she didn't have any idea and we need to preach the gospel
and show them the way, so.
I think there's something on what we're talking about
for a minute, so I wanna tell you a story too.
My mother, when she was 15,
my grandfather had a friend, we'll just call him John.
And John was in love with my mom,
even though he was like 16 years older.
And so one day he asked my mom if he could read her palm,
he was a palm reader.
And he read her palm and said,
you're gonna have three husbands
and the first will die in a tragedy.
And anyway, I didn't of course know any of this,
so I'm gonna fast forward.
So my first father drowned when I was three.
My mother married twice after that.
And I had a nervous breakdown.
And I was having all these really weird
spiritual experiences.
So I was in LA, that's another long story,
but I was in LA in a hotel.
And I was just like under this real oppression
and just having seen visions of demons
and they were visiting me
and had been going on for almost two years.
And anyway, it got really intense in this hotel room.
And so I laid on my bed and I said,
Lord, how did this start?
And immediately he said,
your mother, your mother had a palm reader read for her.
And he gave me his first and last name.
It was midnight.
So I called my mom and I said,
hey, at midnight, she answered the phone.
And so I said, mom,
did you ever have a palm reader read for you?
And she's like, why?
I said, what's his name?
And I gave her his first and last name.
And she started bawling on the phone.
I said, what did he say to you?
She said, he said, I'd be married three times.
My first marriage would end in a disaster.
And so anyway,
fast forward to this point,
is that that guy put a curse on my mother.
It passed down to me and to my kids.
And so we had to break that curse
that actually came from my mother
submitting herself basically to a witch.
And that finally broke that thing off of us.
So like messing around with psychics and horoscopes,
is it opens you up to a realm you don't want to be in.
And so, and yeah, we've had a lot of psychics come here
and we've broken off stuff off of them
and had so many beautiful experiences.
Yeah.
Ooh, let's do that.
That's good.
If you're online, hey Ben, could we move this?
Just, there's a lot of stuff here,
but we can't see the people down there.
Yeah.
If you're online or on campus
and you've had a psychic prophesy over you
or give you a reading, whatever you want to call it,
why don't you stand right now?
We'll just break that off you right now.
Yeah, your family lineage, your family line.
Be great.
There's no shame here.
Let's just break it off right now.
And if you're on, if you're on a chat,
I'd like you to stand up.
That would be great.
It's just taking a stand is just a,
it's a sign of humility, sign of humility.
So we just cancel the demonic assignment against you,
against your family, against your family lineage.
Oh, there's several people right now,
you're going to get healed in your body
because my mother's word was about relationships,
but some of you have been cursed in your bodies
and not so much in your mind.
So we break off with what doctors
are calling hereditary diseases.
Some of you was not biological,
not biologically hereditary,
but it slipped down the line from these demonic words
that were given to your family.
And so we cancel by the power invested in us
in Jesus Christ and the blood of the lamb
who broke the power of curses on the cross in Galatians 3.
We apply the Galatians 3 curse breaking cross
over you in Jesus name.
And we cancel its assignment over your body,
over your mind, over your spirit,
over your finances, over your family,
over your family lineage, over your relationships,
over your marriages, over your children.
Thank you, Lord.
In Jesus name, we cancel that assignment right now.
Yes, and so I want you to say out loud,
I break agreement with these false prophetic words
over my life, over the life of my family,
and over the life of my lineage.
In Jesus name, and Lord, forgive me and my family
for getting under the wrong spirit,
for consulting other gods, and Lord, please release me
and all of my family and everybody who matters
from the curse of seeking other gods in Jesus name.
And I just proclaim to you that you're forgiven,
that you are forgiven, and that the fruit of your repentance
is that you're turning around, and Lord,
I thank you right now that a lot of people
did this in ignorance, my people perished
for a lack of knowledge.
Like some of you, it wasn't a bad heart,
you just ended up in the wrong place, the wrong time,
not realizing what you were doing,
but the Lord releases you from all of that in Jesus name.
Amen, you can sit down.
Amen.
That was really good.
Wow.
Here we go.
Hallelujah.
So good.
Okay.
Ah ha.
That was powerful.
That was a good word right there, right?
Yeah, some of you, like, if you just came for that five minutes, you got all your money's
worth and thousands more.
How many of you, I'm just curious, heard chains breaking, like literally heard the chains
breaking?
Yeah.
Yeah, it was cool.
Okay, let's go to the next one.
All right.
What's the difference between foretelling and forth telling?
And is there a way if I because I said, you can tell when you're doing it?
Well, I'll do the easy part.
I'll do the easy part.
Foretelling is when I'm telling you the future and forth telling is when I'm causing the
future.
Daniel's going to tell you how to tell the difference.
I think I can in some ways.
For me, the difference is in intention.
Often what I'm seeing as a foretelling event, I don't necessarily have agreement with.
I'm just seeing it and knowing that it's true.
But when there is a forth telling word, there is a sense of co-creating with Christ, to
be honest.
There's a sense of agreement and resonating and carrying it even in the womb of my spirit.
And I find that those words even come from a deeper place that as you're speaking it,
there's a ruah on it.
There's a breath of God upon it as well.
So for me, one of the ways I recognize it is the intentionality and the level of resonance
that it brings from me.
So if I'm foretelling, oftentimes there's almost a disassociative precognition, if I
could say that.
In other words, I'm not feeling anything.
I'm seeing it.
I'm experiencing it, but I'm not resonating with it.
I just know that it's true.
But when it's being birthed, there's this deep resonation.
There's a sense of partnership.
There's as you're speaking it, you feel the breath of God on it, not just the witness
of its accuracy, but a sense of its immediacy that in that moment, something is happening.
And so there's a causative intentionality that joins with a foretelling word, I think,
a lot of times.
Yeah.
I'm not sure what he said.
Never got past high school, so I have a vocabulary.
That was really good.
On a serious note, no, I was being funny.
I want to point out something, too, that I don't know if it answers the question exactly.
So what makes a prophecy a prophecy?
This isn't in your manual, by the way.
By the way, you should read specifically the manual that you got here, basic training,
and you should read, specifically should read Daniel's activation manual.
What is the one that goes with it that we gave him?
It's also basic training.
Yeah.
Just in activation and in ministry.
Listen, we wish that you had read that whole manual before you came, because everything
we're teaching on the basics is in that manual, but not everything we're teaching here is
in the manual, because it would take the whole week to do that, and we didn't want
to take a whole week to do the essentials.
So there's just lots of spaces of things that I think are really important that you didn't
get in the first two days, because it would have just taken too many days.
But this is in the manual, but it's super important.
What makes prophecy a prophecy is that, this is a metaphor, let's pretend your words are
red, that when you speak, they hear your words.
So I started to say this yesterday, but didn't finish.
So how you sound doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter that you sound, you're going to sound human, no matter how God-like you
try to sound.
But what makes a prophecy a prophecy is that there's blue on the red, okay, follow me.
The blue is grace, and grace isn't just undeserved favor.
Grace is the ability to do what you couldn't do one second before you received the grace.
Are you with me?
And I think this example's in the manual, because it's one of my first ones I remember.
I was giving, this team came up during a conference and said, the pastor said, hey, can you minister
to my team?
It was like, it was five couples, so ten people.
And I said, sure, I will.
So I started with the first couple, husband, wife, couple, and I said, to the woman.
to the wife, I see you playing guitar,
and I'll make this quick.
I see you playing guitar, writing songs,
and leading worship.
And before I could finish, she said,
that's not me, it's my husband.
Because, she said, my husband's the worship leader,
and she said, I'm tone deaf.
Okay, you know what it means to be tone deaf?
Like, she physically can't hear the difference
between sound, so she can't sing on key.
And therefore, she can't play an instrument.
And so I said to her, lady, shut up.
Do you know what prophecy is?
She said, I guess I don't.
I said, well, prophecy gives you the ability
to do what you couldn't do one second before you heard it.
It's the blue on the red.
It's the grace, it gives you the ability,
grace gives you the ability to do what you couldn't do.
She said, all right, do me again.
So I gave her the same word again.
Totally forgot about it.
About nine months later, she came back to another conference
and it was right back there.
And she comes right up to me and she says,
do you remember me?
No, I'm sorry, I don't.
She said, well, you prophesied over me nine months ago.
Sorry, I prophesied over a lot of people.
She said, you told me to shut up.
I said, oh, I remember you.
I'm surprised that narrowed the field.
He told me to shut up.
You're probably gonna tell me right now, so go on.
Narrowed it down to like five or six,
but I did remember.
And she said, you told me I was going to write songs.
I said, yeah, and you were gonna learn guitar,
play guitar and lead worship.
She said, well, when I walked out the double doors,
she said, something in my ears popped.
And she said, I could suddenly distinguish sound.
And she said, since it's been nine months,
I learned to play guitar.
I've written several songs already
and I lead worship in our Vineyard Church.
500 people in the church.
If you receive a prophet in the name of a prophet,
you receive the prophet's reward.
What is the prophet's reward?
It's the ability to do what you couldn't do
one second before you heard the prophecy.
So if I call someone out and I say you're a nurse
and you're a nurse, that's a good word,
but it's not prophecy.
That's a word of knowledge
because prophecy is always about the future.
And the challenge that we have sometimes
when we're prophesying over people
who've never been, you know,
they don't actually understand what we're doing
and you say, you're a nurse
and they're not a nurse, for example,
they go, oh, that was a bad word, I'm not a nurse.
Not realizing that you're actually talking to them
about the future and if they'll receive the word
and if they'll take it by faith,
in that word is the ability to do what they couldn't do.
I remember calling this guy out in the same room.
He was way at the back on a Sunday night,
the first time I ever preached here.
And he was a young man, I called him out,
he stood up and I said, I see you as a holy man.
I gave him this whole word about being a holy man.
And you know, I gave like 15 words that night.
Well, eight, nine years later,
this young man, he was probably late 30s,
early 40s, comes up to me and said,
you know, you probably don't remember me,
but nine years ago you called me out in the back of a room.
I said, oh, that's interesting.
He said, yeah.
He said, you called me a holy man
and for some reason, out of hundreds of words,
I completely remember that.
I said, I remember that.
He said, I was a heroin addict.
He said, I've been a heroin addict since I was 13.
My friends drug me to that meeting.
He said, I've never had a job.
And he was like at the time, like 28 years old.
So I've never had a job, I've never worked.
I never went to school.
I've been in and out of juvenile hall
then later into prison.
And he said, when you said you're a holy man,
he said, like something like lightning came into my body.
And he said, I got instantly delivered from heroin.
Woo!
And we're getting married next month.
We've already bought a house.
I've been working for five years.
And he's telling me all this stuff about his contractor.
Anyway, all that happens because there's blue on the red.
Thank you, Jesus.
That's a good word.
That's so good.
Yeah.
Woo!
Okay.
You can change with prophecy
what counselors have been working on for years.
It's true.
Happens all the time.
Woo!
We love counselors.
Oh, yeah, we love counselors.
Yes.
But I'm saying, some of you are counselors.
And sometimes what you're supposed to do
is give people tools on how to live.
and have relationships, and you can't fix that
with a prophecy.
But sometimes you can, another tool,
sometimes you can heal with prophecy
what you spent hundreds of hours trying to heal in somebody.
Because sometimes counselors need tools,
and obviously, even when people get prophecies like that,
oftentimes they need wisdom to know
how to walk it out, right?
So it's not undoing counseling,
I'm simply saying sometimes you can reach
into your Holy Spirit belt and bring another tool out
and go, we're gonna use this today.
We're not gonna counsel you, you're gonna listen,
I'm gonna give you a word from the Lord,
and your life's gonna be forever changed.
I'm gonna just say, too, that the opposite is also true.
Like, I've been in environments where somebody walks in
and immediately you know what the problem is
and the answer is by the Spirit,
and the Lord's like, you still have to listen.
Like, you still have to sit there,
let them go through the process, help them discover,
like, their freedom's gonna come that way.
So it honestly does work both ways.
Sometimes you, you know, grab that tool,
and sometimes knowing doesn't mean
that that's where you should go,
because that's not the best,
that's not what's best for them in that moment.
So I've had both happen.
And you're very patient.
I don't know if my wife would agree.
Okay, next question.
Are there different types of prophets?
If so, could you give examples?
I'm gonna teach on it, maybe tonight,
so I don't wanna give it away.
Okay, pay attention, okay.
All right.
Can you discuss,
can you discuss how to handle
an inaccurate prophetic word you gave while practicing,
especially if it caused pain for the receiver?
I've never had one of those.
What's it like, Danny?
All right.
You might know,
but I was a little bit in a prophetic slump last year.
Get the recordings from last year's School of Prophets,
and we have a few sessions on that.
But I think one of the challenges of New Covenant prophets
and prophecy is the pressure of accuracy
and our view of accountability.
And Chris has been such a champion of humbling himself
and cleaning up messes when that was needed.
And I think there's a whole culture of people
that hide from outcomes they declare that never happened.
They don't accept responsibility for it.
They don't clean it up.
And sometimes you think that that kind of confession
would actually take away your authority or your credibility.
And I have seen it to be exactly the opposite,
that people, it actually endears people to you
in a greater way and causes people often to trust you more.
And what's really strange is I believe it also sometimes
creates a better relationship with prophecy
because then they're taking their responsibility
to judge more seriously.
It's easy to receive a word from Chris
and think that it's always right because it's Chris.
You know, honestly, because of our honor,
and then we bypass our responsibility to test,
to judge, to process, to move forward.
And I don't think that's good for the receiver
or for the giver.
And so Chris has been an incredible champion of that.
Guys, it is so worth it to humble yourself.
It's so worth it to say,
hey, no matter how much I know, 1 Corinthians 13,
no matter how much I know,
I know in part and I prophesy in part.
And whenever I treat partial information
as if it's the whole, I'm subject to error.
And so there is one person who's all knowing
and the rest of us know in part and prophesy in part.
And so being able to own that,
staying humble, staying teachable,
and being willing to clean up your mess
will honestly only improve your credibility as a prophet,
especially in the long run.
I think there's a portion of us as.
prophetic people and prophets,
where we need to take greater ownership
of the messes that the prophets have made.
Let me just give you an example of what I'm talking about.
Years ago, we had a super influential businessman
and his wife fly in on their private jet
and they wanted some prophetic time with us.
And so we did this whole prophetic time
and I had received a word from God.
It felt like it was a word from God.
And it came from the theme song of an old sitcom
called My Three Sons.
And I knew he only had two sons.
And I said, well, hey, can I ask you a question?
What is this thing about my three sons?
I know you have two sons,
but was it ever in your heart to have another son?
And this man said, yeah, actually,
before I was ever introduced to prophecy,
we got invited to a dinner
and there was this guy and they told us he was a prophet.
And he pointed to us across the table at one point
and stuck his finger in my face and said,
you're supposed to have another son.
You better have another son or you're disobedient to God.
And he said, in the moment, I felt so controlled.
It actually felt like it stole away
what was in our hearts was to have another baby.
And we knew we were supposed to have another son.
And actually the presentation of the word,
the wrong heart aborted the word.
And I wept.
And I said, I am so sorry for what we did to you.
Will you forgive us?
That was not the right heart.
And that was wrong.
What we did was wrong.
And I feel like there's gonna be spots
where maybe you never made the mess,
but it's time for us to take ownership of that.
Sometimes we're trying to defend all the time.
And all we need to do is say,
I am so sorry you got treated that way.
That was wrong.
Will you forgive us?
And that diffuses something
and it actually increases your authority.
I wanna say that
there's nothing in the heart of God
that would create a culture
where humans need to be infallible
for you to be a part of it.
So the challenge, you probably know this,
but I prophesied Donald Trump's second term.
I prophesied Bush's both terms, Obama's both terms,
Trump's first term.
And then his second term,
I unfortunately prophesied publicly.
And then obviously he didn't become president.
And the side effect of that was,
obviously pretty big fallout.
And I think it was,
we started last year with both my apology
and my explanation.
But I think it's really important.
I think the saddest thing for me,
obviously I lost some trust
and I think that you should.
Like if you wanna play on that big field,
you're taking big risk
and the side effects of the risk are there.
But I was really surprised
by a lot of the charismatic church's response
in that they actually have a mentality
that you have to be 100% accurate.
And I'm like, what human would ever wanna prophesy
if you made one mistake
and now you're a false prophet?
Yeah.
So, and then obviously 1 Corinthians 14,
let two or three prophets speak,
let the others pass judgment.
1 Thessalonians 5,
don't despise prophetic utterance,
examine everything carefully,
hold fast to what is good.
And so new covenant prophecy has a safety net
and that's why we all get to play.
We all get to play.
We all get to interact with the Lord
because we don't have this terrible fear.
It's like, I get it wrong and now I'm a false prophet.
And it's interesting
because we don't hold any of the other ministries to that.
Can you imagine your pastor getting up
and misquoting a verse and he's a false teacher?
Or a pastor counseling somebody
and maybe in a way that was wrong
and he's a false pastor.
So evangelist does an altar call and nobody gets saved
and there's unsaved people in there.
Well, he's a false evangelist.
So nobody else is held to a perfect perfection,
infallible culture.
And so I think it's important.
The second thing I think Dano said it so well,
but when I woke up the morning
that President Biden won the election.
and he wasn't inaugurated yet,
but I asked Holy Spirit and I knew it was coming.
I mean, you could see it was coming
because the day before I'd stayed up watching
and praying the night before.
And so I woke up that morning really early
and I immediately looked at the statistics
and I'm like, okay, he won.
And I asked the Lord what to do
and I expected to hear contend,
but instead I heard humble yourself and apologize.
And so, I did what I knew I was supposed to do
and I made a whole bunch of people mad.
And I still have people,
there's a lot of people that think they're helping me
by they come up to me all the time
and give me, hey, Trump actually won, you weren't wrong.
And the election was stolen.
And I'm like, I have a God that knows the future.
I don't have a God that goes,
oh, they stole the election.
I told Chris he was gonna win.
Wow, I didn't know that.
Sorry, I didn't know they were gonna steal the election.
Like I don't have a God who's dumb.
So, I'm sorry, I appreciate the compliment.
I think people are trying to save my ministry.
You really got it right.
It's like, I don't need to be right.
I don't need to be right.
I just need to be obedient.
And so,
so I don't have a core value.
Like I have to make excuses for why I wasn't wrong.
I don't have that.
I just have, Lord, what do you want me to do?
You did something on a public stage.
You have to apologize publicly.
If I had done it privately,
I would apologize to the people that I said,
hey, I said Trump would win, but he didn't win.
Would you please forgive me?
But I made a public statement,
so I had to do a public apology.
You know, Danny's point is,
who did you spill paint on, you know?
Like when you make a mistake or you sin,
it's like, who did you get paint on?
So anyway, that's what I think.
You can think differently.
Remember, I opened this whole school by saying,
you don't have to agree with me.
So some of you are still leaving.
No, Trump won.
I'm like, okay, good.
He's not president, so somehow he's didn't.
And I get emails every day.
I know I'm being a little bit funny and fastidious,
but every, not every day, at least every week,
Trump's gonna be president this week, next week.
The Lord showed me.
I'm like, you're just digging a deeper and deeper hole.
Like, just let it go.
Let it go.
And if he becomes president next month, that's awesome.
And then I'll say, hey, remember when I apologized?
I didn't really mean it.
Enough said.
Okay, next question is a little bit
about like science spirituality.
Hypnotism, is it science or is it demonic?
I literally have no idea.
Well, you know.
I'm curious about this answer.
Yeah, I am too, to be totally honest.
Let me say, 15 years ago, I would have answered that
with a little bit more of a,
15 years ago, I would have answered that
with an absolute, that is demonic.
15 years ago, I would have answered like that.
And now I'm like, okay, I don't wanna run around
being the anti-science guy that every time
there's a scientific breakthrough, it's like,
that's the demon, that's another devil.
I'm like, what it does tell us, you know,
God's invisible attributes is eternal power,
divine nature are clearly seen in what God made.
So I'm like, okay, what we should do at least is say,
people, you know, and I've been in a room
where somebody was hypnotized.
I didn't know that was gonna happen,
but I mean, I wasn't there on purpose.
But it happened and I'm like,
well, that person is definitely hypnotized.
Like that is not a game.
And I would say that what happens
when you're in a state like that,
it's probably as important as the fact
that you're in a state like that.
So the challenge for me is like this.
There's a bunch of people in that world I don't trust.
So I'm really concerned about,
and then what they can do when they have somebody
in that state can be supposedly healthy
or it can be the opposite, right?
Yeah, life altering.
And so it's a little bit like,
do I believe in surgery under anesthesia?
Well, I wanna know who the anesthesiologist is
and I definitely wanna know who the surgeon is
because you have me in a vulnerable state
that you can be good or evil.
So I think I'm not so concerned about the actual condition
as I am about the people causing it.
So I frankly, I'm more concerned about the people who are,
I don't trust that world very well.
That the whole world of psychology, for example,
the APA, the Association of Psychologists and Psychiatrists
have just said that transgenderism is normal
and that homosexuality is not a mental illness.
I'm like, these are the people who believe in that.
I don't know if I'd want one of those folks
like messing with me when I am deeply concerned
about the fact that you think of person who's a man
and thinks he's a woman,
you don't think that's a mental illness.
So I don't know what else you believe,
but I wouldn't want to be under your care
when you put me in a state where you can manipulate
what's going on inside of me.
So I would say more than the actual condition,
I'm concerned about the practitioners.
That's my honest answer.
And I understand that I didn't answer the question directly
because I see myself in this evolution of,
okay, what's God, you created us
to be able to be in that state.
I am concerned about what happens in that state to people
and what people are doing when I'm in a state
that feels like I'm not in control of me
and somebody else is.
So that being said, I would be open
to a Christian psychiatrist or psychologist
that I really trusted explaining to me what's happening
and the fruit that he or she has seen from that.
So I would say I'm still undecided.
Is that fair?
That's good.
Okay.
Good answer.
Yeah, because I did the whole quantum physics
kind of journey in sound and all those things,
I do talk about in the beginning of that,
in the beginning of that journey
that the Lord gave me some foundation stones
right from the beginning that were kind of like guideposts
of these are gonna be the boundaries,
don't go beyond these boundaries.
And even every time I research something,
I would order these books off Amazon
and when they arrived,
I would hold it in my hand before I read it.
And I know this sounds weird,
but I would discern the spirit behind it.
And if I felt an agenda on it, I'd throw it in the trash.
And so even in the research element,
I was trying to use discerning of spirits as much as I could
but also I think I'm a big one on Colossians 1
and the redemption of all things
through the blood of Jesus Christ.
And that if anything is true,
that truth is only a treasure
when it's reconciled to the person of Christ.
But so there are many things that are true
that don't function as a treasure
because that truth hasn't been reconciled
to the person of truth, Jesus Christ.
So treasures of wisdom and knowledge
are only treasures in the person of Christ.
Otherwise they begin to act
in ways outside of their purpose.
And one of the things we learned from Dan Fairley
in an early school of the prophets
was that redemption of some of these things
that we have categorized outside of Christianity
needs to be a clear and intentional process.
And I remember Chris, do you remember when he said,
you prophets wanna just reconcile everything
the middle finger, obviously God made your middle finger
but in Western culture, that is a gesture, not of love
but he's like, let's just redeem the middle finger
just turn to your neighbor and flip them off and say,
I faith you in Jesus name.
And he goes, that's not gonna work.
That's not gonna work.
Yes, your middle finger is of God
but there's a process of redemption.
There's a process of renewing the mind.
And I think one of the things we wanna do is,
again, I believe that everything that's true
finds its treasure in the person of Christ.
And I believe in the redemption of everything redeemable
through the person of Jesus.
But we as the people who are reconciling
some of these things to Christ,
if we don't demonstrate patience and gentleness
and we're not willing to go through the journey
of normalizing something within culture,
then we need to leave it alone to be honest
because you can cause.
more damage trying to redeem something
without the proper protocols and process.
Yes.
You need to take notes on that.
Okay.
Could you, well this next question,
I feel like you just answered it basically, but.
Do another one.
Okay.
Could you talk
Could you talk about the role
that activations play in equipping the saints?
Yeah, I mean, we at Prophetic Company,
one of the things we've done is we've developed
an activate model of training where we never,
in these particular trainings on prophecy,
we actually never speak longer than 20 minutes at a time
before we're actually activating that truth.
And the conviction comes from a lot of different places
that the highest retention rates
are from immediately putting a truth into practice.
And even the scripture that's been quoted a lot this week
from Hebrews 5.14 about strong food is for the mature
who by reason of practice have trained their senses.
And I think, guys, we have to realize
that there is a difference between the flow and the stir.
Okay.
Like as Holy Spirit is flowing through us
and it's kind of that lightning rod experience
of sharing what the Lord is giving you.
And then there's also the reality of the stir,
stir up the gift of God that is within you
through the laying on of hands.
And the stir is an act of your intention
beginning to stir what you know of the character
and nature of God, the wisdom of God,
but more importantly, the ways that God speaks.
And I wanna say that I would never want to be guilty
of creating a form of godliness that denies the power
or bypasses the relationship or the intimacy with Christ.
But I also think that a lot of prophets are like,
and a lot of prophets and even people's view of creativity
is like someone holding a lightning rod
running around the yard in a storm.
And they're waiting for the lightning to hit.
And I would say that Christ in you is the lightning of God
that do you not know that you are the temple
of the Holy Spirit and learning how to stir up
the Christ in you.
When scripture says in second Chronicles
that the eyes of the Lord roam to and fro
throughout the whole earth,
seeking for those whose hearts are fully towards him
so that he can show himself strong on their behalf.
God's looking for partners.
He's looking for partnership.
In Isaiah, three times it says that God was appalled
that no one stirred themselves to take a hold of him.
And so I get people that are offended at me all the time
from our activation model.
Cause they're like, well, I only speak what God gives me.
And the arrogance of that is the first thing
that offends me.
But Chris is gonna pray me through that later.
Thank you, Chris.
The second thing that challenges me about that
is we have a responsibility to stir up the supernatural.
You know, Smith Wigglesworth, they asked him,
he was a great healing revivalist,
raised over a dozen people from the dead,
including his wife.
And they asked him the secret of his power.
And he said two things.
He said, first of all, at the slightest whisper
of the Holy Spirit, I turn aside to obey.
And like Bethany quoted the other day,
you're currently moving at the speed of your own obedience.
However long it takes you to recognize
the voice of the Lord and respond,
that's your rate of acceleration.
If you need three scriptures and two prophetic words
and the clock to say five, five, five, three times,
it's like none of that's wrong,
but it is determining the rate of your acceleration.
But all of that is the flow.
But the second secret of his strength that he said,
he said, if God's not moving, I move God.
And the first time I read it,
I slammed the book and threw it down.
And I, honestly, I thought it was heresy.
And the Lord began to convict me.
And he said, why don't you like that?
Like, why is that offending you?
He said, you know, I said in the book,
the book both pray, if you ask anything according
to his will, but he also said, ask according to your will.
And there is this partnership.
There's this divine dance of God stirring you
and you acting, but God also wants you to stir you
and then God acts, you know what I mean?
And so I am very, very committed to the activation model,
but I'm not committed to a form
that denies power or relationship.
I'm not committed to associative exercises
where we make up our own words
or we roll our own thoughts into something.
I'm not into that, okay?
But I will tell you that most wisdom
is pattern recognition.
There's a huge part of wisdom
that is actually pattern recognition.
And the challenge is never getting God to speak.
The challenge is only in recognizing all the ways
that God's already speaking.
And pattern recognition is one of the methods of wisdom
by which we recognize how God speaks
so that we can respond quicker.
I was gonna, that's so good, by the way.
He's so smart, they're all smart.
I was gonna just deviate from that just a little bit
with talking about activation.
In Western culture, if I memorize it, I know it.
That's not the kingdom.
You don't know it till you can become it and do it.
Come on. That's so good.
So there's a lot of emphasis,
and you get on, if you're in social media at all,
you post a scripture and write what you think it says,
let's say, and there'll be,
if you have quite a few people on your social media,
I mean, there'll be all these comments
about you're a heretic
because you believe that or whatever.
It's really interesting how we hold the word of God.
Now, before I tell you this,
I have to say, I need to tell you this.
Like, I read the Bible every day.
Usually, I read when I get up in the morning,
before I get out of bed,
and before I go to bed at night,
or before I go to sleep at night.
So, I mean, I have a real active, you know,
relationship with the word of God.
And I love the Bible.
I believe it's the inerrant word of God.
I just want you to know that.
And I write books about the Bible.
It's my foundation.
I lost my mind many years ago on a nervous breakdown,
and reading the Bible got me whole.
So what I'm about to say,
I want you to know that's what I think.
But I also want you to know
that the early church didn't have a Bible they could read.
And even if they had it, it was an agricultural age,
and most people couldn't read.
So when you went to the Sabbath,
you didn't go to a service for two hours.
You went there and spent the day there,
and the priest would take turns reading the Torah,
which was very exciting,
because you couldn't read the Torah.
So, and the way they passed scripture down
was to memorize entire chapters,
which wasn't that hard,
because, I mean, it was hard,
but it was different than our culture,
because we have all this entertainment.
They didn't have all that.
So they literally, you couldn't be a priest
unless you memorized the first,
the entire first five books of the Bible.
And think about it.
You kind of had to do that,
because there wasn't a lot of copies.
I'm just trying to put it in context.
Until the 1500s, there was no printing press.
There was, and then when there finally was a printing press,
there was one version of the Bible.
So, you know, all of this emphasis we have on,
I want to be careful how I say this,
because it almost sounds like I'm saying,
don't have a relationship with the Bible.
I'm saying the way we argue over a verse is freaking weird.
We have, like, my phone has 47 versions of the Bible.
I'm sure there's a couple hundred in English alone.
I'm pointing out that we have,
we use the word of God to divide one another
and argue with one another,
and we think it's okay to memorize a verse
we haven't experienced.
The early church, if you read the book of Acts,
very interesting in Acts 15,
when they got together and the Gentiles
started getting saved.
Remember, the Gentiles were not American Gentiles.
They were polytheists.
They were Greek mythologists.
Did you notice that when they wrote a letter to them,
they never told them anything about reading the Bible?
They gave them three, four things to do,
and three of them had to do it.
had to do with what they ate.
And I'm like, we would be like,
the word of God, you got that verse wrong,
you're a heretic.
I'm like, a heretic?
They were reading,
did you notice 1 Corinthians 12?
I think, I forgot who taught on that.
1 Corinthians 12, when Paul says,
yeah, I would not, yeah.
He says, now concerning spiritual gifts,
but the word gifts isn't in there.
It's now concerning the spiritual.
I don't want you to be unaware.
And then he tells them the key word in that passage
is there's one God, there's one Lord,
there's one spirit, one God.
He repeats it nine times.
You know why?
He's talking to polytheists
who are having the right experiences in the Holy Spirit,
but they still think that the word of knowledge
is one spirit, the word of prophecy is another spirit,
because they can't reconcile that God can be in you
and me at the same time.
And I'm pointing out that that happened
because their early church didn't emphasize
these guys have to actually know the Bible.
And I'm pointing out that they were experienced or unit.
So when they solve problems, they said,
what's our testimony?
What's our prophecy?
And then if they had a priest who could read the Bible,
they're like, what's the Bible say about that?
And I'm not saying that's okay.
I'm just saying there was never a culture
where you knew something without an experience.
Now we have people that are in the ministry
that have never had an experience.
You have people that literally are full-time pastors
that don't know anything about healing the sick,
casting out a demon.
And this was the basic thing Jesus taught his disciples
before they could do anything else.
They had to heal the sick, raise the dead,
cast out demons.
I don't know if they went out and taught the word.
Yeah.
Probably they did of what they little bit they knew.
And today we're like, we know people who have PhDs
in theology that have no experience.
So this right here, which seems weird to the body of Christ,
you're gonna get together,
you're gonna get the prophets together
and you're gonna what?
And I'm like, no, this is normal.
This is normal.
The idea that I would have a relationship
with the word of God that doesn't demand
an experience with God is weird.
The goal of the Bible is not to get to know the Bible.
The goal of the Bible is to get to know the author.
Yeah.
People say all the time,
if you base your theology on experience,
you could be saved.
That's true.
But if you read the Bible and don't have experience,
you're already deceived.
So the entire goal of the Bible is that you would know God.
Not that you would know the Bible.
You should know the Bible
because that's how you get to know God.
But the goal of my manual in my car
isn't that I'd know the manual.
It's like that I could drive the car.
It'd be really weird.
It's like I memorized the manual,
but I've never driven my car.
It's weird.
And people say things that aren't true.
All the answers for life are in the Bible.
I'm sorry that's not true.
All the answers for life are in God.
Some of the answers for life are in the Bible.
For instance, does God care who you marry?
He certainly does.
He cares about a bird falling out of a tree.
He certainly cares who your life mate is.
Well, look it up in the Bible.
Tell me who you should marry.
I mean, if you're a guy, it's gonna be like Mary,
you know, Elizabeth, Esther.
You get past that, you pretty much, you know,
if your name isn't in the Bible, girls, you know,
it's over.
We're supposed to be done.
Yep, yep.
Okay.
Close it up.
Okay, so it's time to go to lunch
and take your Bibles with you.
Hey, you know, I love these,
these are the Q and A times.
I think these are vital and so important
because I think someone asked a question
that you didn't even know you had
and it gets answered in these times.
So those are vitally important.
And you know, this whole question about activation
as well, this is a big portion of who we are.
We do it in our community groups.
We do it throughout School of the Prophets
and this afternoon, it's a great segue
into what Bethany's gonna be doing with us this afternoon,
which is all about activation.
So you wanna be back in your seats at two o'clock
and online with us at two o'clock
because we have a big giveaway as well,
right at 2 p.m.
And you have to be in the room or online
to receive it.
And then if you did get purchased lunches,
again, you pick them up in the back.
We'll go ahead and leave the sanctuary open for you.
But if you need any of your stuff.
Go ahead and take it with you right now, we'll see you at 2 p.m.
Okay, bye.
Bye.