Hi guys, welcome to another episode, the final season 2 episode of Truth Talk with Wendy.
Today I have clearly saved the best for last.
I have my sibling brother with me.
This is Brandon Smith.
Some of y'all probably already know him and some of you may not, but we are very, very
similar and we are very, very, very close.
So I don't just consider him my brother, I consider him my very, very dear friend.
And today I wanted to talk to everybody and give you guys a chance to hear from him because
he has been the one that has been my constant from the very beginning.
He was the first person I ever told about what happened to me growing up and he literally
saved my life.
And he has been through a lot, but he has walked me through a lot as well.
So today we're going to turn the focus on to my brother because he has a story that
I think is going to be very, very encouraging, but it's also going to be very enlightening
because our stories are kind of intertwined and I know that the stuff that he's been through
and had to deal with is what ends up getting a lot of men into trouble.
And if you don't handle it in a godly way, it can definitely lead to you doing things
like what happened to me.
And so I think it is a warning and I think it is also just going to be a huge blessing
to hear how God has used these things in his life and just used it to strengthen him in
so many different ways.
So welcome to my brother.
Thank you.
Great to be here.
I know.
I'm so excited.
I know.
I wish it was in person, but it's okay.
It's okay.
I'll get to see you soon enough.
Next best thing.
I know.
Technology.
You got to love it.
I know, but I'll see you in less than four weeks because you have a child getting married.
What is that about?
I know, right?
That's nuts.
I'm still trying to figure it out.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
I don't like it either.
Who is this guy?
I'm thinking he's going to take my daughter away from me.
For the love.
I know.
Exactly.
Well, he's, he will forever be cheeky for me.
Yeah.
I will never.
I don't even, I don't even really think I remember his name when I think of him.
He's not Blake.
He's cheeky, you know?
So it'd be the, we should explain why, because his last name is cheek.
Exactly.
Yes.
There's no weirdness to that.
It was like, I just could only remember cheeky and he just sort of became cheeky.
So anyway, so, all right, well, um, so you and I have talked about this, like, I don't
even know how much.
So many times, but I think it would be good to start with like, uh, like I kind of, I
guess the day that I realized, and you can back up from this, but I remember vividly,
vividly being at church.
I was at Tyler Metro and it was on a Wednesday night and never forget it.
And I was, you know, I think we were eating some food and I got a call from you and it,
you know, of course, any excuse to see you, like, I don't care what it is, but this, this
was not one of those calls.
It was, you know, you were in like, you're just your voice, your tone of voice, just
your whole, uh, I mean, I could think about it and it's just like, you're like, I may
need to come stay with you for a little bit.
And I'm like, come on.
And you're like, no, no, no, that's not what I mean.
And I'm like, what?
It's not for a party.
Yeah.
This is not for, um, yeah, this is not like I'm wanting to come, like I may have no choice.
I need to come stay with you and, um, and just explain to the viewers, you know, what,
what were you, what bomb were you dropping on me that day?
Well, I had, there had already been several other bombs that had gone off, you know, before
I dropped that bomb on you.
But yeah, I basically, uh, got caught looking at porn, you know, um, by Kim, my wife, your
sister-in-law, and, uh, was, uh, uh, a rough time, you know, she, she was adamant about
leaving, um, indefinitely, you know, permanently, uh, and, uh, so I had no choice.
no idea what was going to happen.
Uh, although I think on the surface, I was like, no way, I'm not letting her
leave and we're going to work this out.
But like in reality, it was much more like touch and go and you know, it
could have gone either way at that point.
So was that the first time, like the first time that she had caught you or
was it the, like she had suspicions and then, Oh, now she knows first time
she ever knew that I looked at porn.
Yeah.
So, okay.
So that was, she, it was her initial reaction.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, yeah, we had had a fight earlier.
Um, and, uh, you know, so I went to my, uh, bad place mentally and emotionally
and turned to my crutch, you know, at the time, she just didn't know how
bad it was at that point, right?
Cause I think if she had known how bad it was at that point, it would have been
over, um, cause I was addicted to it.
It wasn't like I, I, you know, I just accidentally, you know, fell once and
that was it and she was out, you know, or whatever.
She, she, um, um, it, it like kind of hit the fan, you know, that this is
something that I really need in my life at that time.
Right.
So in hindsight, it's good that she busted you.
God thing for sure.
It, it freaking flew, flew the, flew the blinds open and let the light
in to, to the reality of the situation.
Yeah.
That's so great.
Yeah.
Um, painful, but you know, however many years later, devastating in so many ways,
but you know, like, like surgery, you know, is painful and life changing, but.
Life saving.
Right.
Absolutely.
It was, it was a God thing.
Yeah.
And, and I, um, I, I remember so clearly that night, like not, I, I was in, of
course, I'm in sister mode of, of course.
Yes.
Do I need to come get you?
Or do you, are you just driving here?
You know, like what, you know, that's, that's a long drive from, you
know, Georgia to Texas, so it wasn't just like, you know, I could just
like run and grab you and come home.
But I knew based on your own, just how, how I heard it in your voice, you
know, that this was not a normal phone call, but then I also had this whole
other side of me that was like, okay, this guy has been like my rock, my, you
know, like he's, he's the anti, um, pervert person, right?
Like he is not that person to me, you know?
And, and so that part was very difficult for me to, you know, kind of process.
And then I was like, oh my gosh, okay.
What, what is Kim thinking right now?
So there was part of me that was like, okay, I'll hold him down, you know, and
you choke him and then we'll just like make him think he's dead, but let's not
kill him, I need him, you know, I need, I still need him.
She's like, no, I'm killing him.
Yeah.
Right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So there's so much that was going through my head too, but, um, I just knew that,
you know, this was one of those major like crisis, like we, like we are gushing
blood, we just need to wrap a tourniquet and then we can figure out how to fix the
wound after we stopped the bleeding kind of situation.
So what, what happened next?
Uh, she went with, with the kids to her parents and, you know,
and that was for how long?
Oh my gosh.
I don't even remember.
I mean, it wasn't like weeks or months.
I mean, it was, you know, probably a couple of days and, uh, you know, I
remember, um, going to dinner, you know, just the two of us and me just pleading
with her, you know, I want to get help.
I want, I don't want to struggle with this.
I want to get victory over this.
And, and so she agreed, you know, if I would go to counseling with her and,
you know, do some different things, you know, some, some prerequisites or, or,
or whatever you want to call them stipulations.
Yeah.
List of demands.
hostage list so yeah and that put us on a journey as a as a couple you know with
her helping me and and holding me accountable to start dealing with what I
came to realize was an addiction and something that I've been dealing with
one way or another since I was little yeah real little yeah like like really
little yeah yeah so like how do you think it all got started what's
interesting is it got started at our church yeah that's the best place to
find porn nowadays I mean literally what in the world finding magazines in
this dump behind the church so was that is that where dad put his stash or like
where did that come from do you have any idea one of the deacons that got you
know asked to clean out his office or something whatever yeah but crazy so you
know and then obviously you know I may have been seven or eight or something at
that point and then you know I mean it's not like porn was everywhere you know
right in your seven or eight well images I literally I thought this day can can
can if I want to pull multiple images up of that magazine that I saw at seven
that was literally 40 years ago 40 plus yeah yeah I was giving you the benefit
of 50 now I know but yeah so you know and then obviously mom and dad got
divorced when I was 11 and going to moms and and our stepdads every other
weekend and several weeks in the summer and you know over Christmas and all that
and they had every you know movie channel known to man at the time you
know and so I'm in middle school and they're just happy for me to be there
with the other kids you know and so I would stay up all hours of the night you
know basically every other weekend Friday Saturday night when which is when
all the soft porn stuff is on those channels right and just like soaking it
in in middle school you know so and how like so that was when you were what 11
yeah 11 or 13 you know well yeah so then from there because we we didn't stay for
that long right that we met well was that after we had moved back to yeah
Dallas okay all right so then it just continued all through high school and
yeah and college and I mean I remember you know times of going and you know
sneaking buying magazines or videos or whatever you know you know when you're
addicted to that stuff you know where everything is located right and how to
how to get it and and all that and so and I would say the addiction really
didn't start until the internet came out yeah so before that it was it wasn't as
much an addiction as it was always kind of in the back of your mind oh there's
that store you know right I know where they have those magazines or whatever or
or maybe I was and it just wasn't as available and so I couldn't act out you
know as much talk about you know the acting out process in the addiction
cycle right because addiction is a cycle there is a cycle of addiction that you
you are in whether you realize it or not but um so the acting out part it
just probably those those were fewer and more far between before the internet
right so the internet came out it was just like became a real problem yeah I
bet so how did that like because you were doing you were you know writing
songs and doing things and you know clearly walking with the Lord in in an
aspect of your life right I mean that wasn't a new you know I mean it's not
Like you just got saved not many years ago.
I mean, you, you obviously have had an ongoing walk with the Lord.
So how, how did all of that affect you?
Oh, I mean, it, it, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, you're,
you're doing the wrong thing and you just feel like you can't help yourself
and you can't get out of it and the despair that that's the whole point.
Um, uh, the start of the addictive cycle is despair and despair
can be lots of different things.
It's despair is not necessarily what you think of despair in the way of like.
Discouraged or depressed or whatever.
Despair can be loneliness.
Despair can be boredom.
Despair can be guilt.
Despair can be, you know, there's so many different things that would fall
under the category of despair.
Right.
And then there's a trigger, right?
So, so you get triggered from the despair, then there's the fantasy, right?
So the trigger can be cleavage.
The trigger can be, you know, a commercial, the trigger can be a
magazine sitting on the rack as you go by, you know, and you're in this
despair or whatever, and you have this trigger, so then there's the fantasy.
And then there's the acting out, right?
After the acting out, you're back to despair, right?
The guilt of the acting out and you have the white knuckling, you know,
a mindset of I'm not going to do this anymore and I'm going to white knuckle
it until I get in that despair again.
And then there's a trigger.
And then, you know, so that was one of the things that helped me a lot, you
know, was counseling, getting into counseling and understanding the addictive
cycle.
The problem is there's, uh, my personality in the way I think and the way I'm
wired, I don't like to be controlled.
Um, and the things that you have to do to set yourself up for success when you are
trying to not be in the addictive cycle feels like shackles feels like, like the,
the filters and the, and the, the box that you have to put yourself in and live in.
Um, maybe I'm just not disciplined enough or, or something, but like, I've, I
remember talking to the Lord and I'm like, Lord, I can't, I can't live like this.
I don't feel free.
There's nothing free about the way I'm living.
I feel like I'm living in chains.
I, yes, I get that the, the, the chains are chaining me away from the, you know,
the danger of this, but it's also like killing my spirit and my joy and my, you
know, freedom in Christ.
And I'm like, there's gotta be a better way than this.
Right.
And, and I remember when the Lord started teaching me about joy in him, teaching me
about, and here's the problem.
Here's the, the big problem with a lot of Christianity and a lot of churches and
teaching it's, it's the, it's don't do all this stuff, right.
Or, or you shouldn't desire these things and this and that, but they don't tell you
what you should desire, what they don't replace it with.
And that's why David said, restore to me the joy of my salvation.
So Jesus says, if you come to me, you know, if you are thirsty for me, I will satisfy
you, I'm the spring of living water and you'll never, uh, thirst again.
Um, what he didn't mean was you'll never be thirsty for me again.
You'll never have a third.
He said, you'll never have need to thirst for anything else, but me, I will satisfy
you forever.
And, and so when we just focus on what I don't, what I can't do, what I am not
supposed to do, I, um, you know, what I'm not.
needing to do anymore right it's obviously there's there's a reason for
for parameters and for guidelines and for boundaries and all those things but
that can't be the if you stand around staring at the boundaries and and you're
looking across what you can't do over there all the time you know you're not
living you're just existing and you're it just was not for me and the kind of
emotions that I have the kind of passion that I have I needed outlets I needed to
feel and to experience and you know and porn does that for you know yeah it's
literally I've studied it and it it literally is like a cocaine kind of
experience what it does to like the frontal lobe of your mind and the
endorphins and the stuff that it releases it's like a high of what it
does and so the problem is is it's killing and killing your relationships
and so I needed to I needed the Lord to show me the better way which is the the
freedom in the joy of my salvation the satisfaction in Christ that he is better
than porn you know do you feel like those shackles for using your terms do
you feel like that holding back like is what made you pursue with such depth and
passion to replace that and is that where you started really pursuing the
Lord oh absolutely I mean it was the Lord pursuing me it was the Lord showing
me okay yeah these things you have a bigger problem than looking at porn your
bigger problem is you're not looking to me right and and so just not looking at
porn is not gonna solve I mean there's there's you know Buddhists and Hindus
and and all these people that are so you know pure in their way of living and not
contaminating their minds and being at you know peace with the earth whatever
and and you know so they would you know they're way more disciplined than most
Christians and you know have conquered their you know selfish desires and you
know all these things but they're not walking with Christ they're not walking
in in the light they're in the darkness so the point is not to just not look at
porn right the the point is to be satisfied in Christ and so the Lord is
like okay yeah the triage the the we're gonna stop the bleeding and you know to
your wife now knows and so she's gonna help you and you're gonna have some
boundary I needed that time I needed the understanding the destruction of what
this is doing right and obviously I knew it was wrong but everything and you know
all the things that we say to ourselves is that it's not hurting anybody you
know or whatever it's just between me and God and I know I'm sinning but it's
not hurting anybody else or whatever so except we obviously know that that's
it's not even that it was just hurting your wife and your family but the the
poor girls that are in that industry are usually being trafficked and you
know you got all kinds of issues going on in the wrong every part of it is
wrong yeah yeah there's multiple people being wronged every time someone clicks
that video and it doesn't matter whether this is can you know a couple that are
you know married that are filming themselves the all of it is wrong right
there's nothing godly or or or healthy or anything in any way shape or form I'm
just telling you what you what yeah right use to justify it right what yeah
right so so you know and just to clarify just to clarify Kim finding out like
there was nobody in your life that cuz I know like I I didn't know did you have
any guy friends that you had confided in or anybody else that would
You could talk to about it or is this just you were the only person on the planet that knew that?
I'm pretty sure at that point. I was the only person that knew that okay, so that that that is like a whole nother level
Accountability partners, you know kind of things came after that okay? Yeah, okay?
Because I've had some on occasion. You know through my life
That was the kids were real little I don't even think we had all for the kids at that time
You know it was it was early 2000s. I'm pretty sure right so 20
20 years ago
But well it had to be after 2003 because we lived in Tyler
We didn't move here till it till it's red. So yeah, maybe it was 2003 2004
but
so the that that time period of being in counseling
You know Kim, and I would do counseling together
then we also went to celebrate recovery, which is a
It's kind of like a Christian AA, but it's for all you know addiction
You know they have drug alcohol and you know sex addiction and what a lot of people don't know is that
Addiction to porn is sex addiction level one. Oh wow okay? Yes
Level four is
violent sexual acts
You know rape and and things like that so level two is
You know I have to have
You know sex all the time
You know level three. I can't remember
But it does go into like I think
You know adultery kind of stuff and and
What what people would still consider ethical issues of
hurting people you know, but not necessarily
violent criminal acts and
Then level four is forcing
You know yourself on people violently in criminal ways
So
Playing with fire. You know at level one doesn't does molestation have a level
That's that's a level four that would be
forcing yourself
criminally on someone
Doesn't have to necessarily be violence like I think of violence is yeah with a gun or like you know you're met in the back
Alley, and somebody's holding the gun to your head or something like that, but that's not what you mean, okay?
No, it would be criminal criminal whether it is
Whether it's because the person's not a minor and can't be manipulated
Into you know writing stuff with you you have to use violence to do it and can't protect themselves correct right and so
Rape and molestation would be the same level okay, so just to be clear which is partly
You know why I wanted you to tell the story on on this platform
I wanted you to tell the story on this platform
You know why I wanted you to tell the story on on this platform is because
So many people you know they're like. Oh, I just don't know why you know this happened
Or you know we just never believed
He would do anything like that or whatever you know because whoever this person is that they're in denial about ie dad
You know they just you know just made this mistake, and I'm like no no no no
This has been building and building and building for a very long time. You don't just wake up one day
and
Rape somebody in an alley or molest your child you just it just is not how that happens
So there's been a deep deep double life being led for many many years
And we've gotten to this place through lack of accountability, and you know repentance and all that so anyway, okay?
So yeah, it's it's kind of like the thing with violence right you typically don't start off by murdering
Someone right typically start off by hurting
Yourself or an animal
Something you know less significant, and then it does something if you feel something when that
Empowered or whatever and and so then you know you you you graduate or you?
evolve you know to needing to
You know it's not it's not it doesn't generate the same level of excitement power or whatever so you have to push the boundary further
And then you push the back further right exactly and that is the same thing with sexual addiction
right because and that's the same reason why porn is
growing in its
Crazy like depravity, and that's why why you're seeing more and more
crazy
stuff just on network TV and it is because the, the, the, the boundary just
keeps getting pushed and pushed and pushed and we're creating a society
that is addicted to sex.
Well, the, there's been a searing of the conscience, what used to be completely
banned, like you, you could not even have a man and a woman actor sleeping
in the same bed, fully clothed.
Like that was an absolute no.
And now you're hoping when you're flipping a channel at night, at seven
at night, you don't accidentally run across nudity because your
nine-year-old is on the couch.
You know, it's, it's so, and that's exactly right.
It's just pushing up the boundary.
I mean, we were watching a show the other night and, and with, with my
daughters and, and with one of my daughter's boyfriends, and it didn't
say anything about, you know, cause it says TVMA or TV14 or whatever.
It said TVMA, uh, language and violence.
And it was, uh, uh, about, uh, is like based on a real life, you know, uh,
Colt that we were watching it because it had spiritual and religious connotations
about this Colt that, that got busted for something or whatever, and it had been
recommended to us by some of our Christian friends, episode one, the wife
takes her clothes off and gets in the shower with the husband and like full on
breasts didn't say anything about it.
And this nudity was nowhere.
That's because it's not considered nudity.
There's no, it's, it's not considered nudity anymore.
You know what I mean?
It's just, I don't, I don't know what a woman's breasts.
Yeah.
I mean, why would that be missing then?
You know what I'm saying?
That's what I was saying.
I thought maybe like whoever rated it just missed that scene.
There, there was nothing.
Um, that was not a mistake.
That was intentional.
Yeah.
Because again, like you said, you can recall images from seven years old.
Those are things that guys can't unsee.
And, and of course it would be in the spiritual section of, of the documentary
because that's who the enemy's after is all, all of God's children who might be
interested in watching something that has the word spiritual in it, you know, it's
just crazy what's going on.
But so, okay.
So, so, so y'all are in celebrate recovery and y'all, y'all were, y'all
stayed in that program for a while, didn't you?
I would say probably around a year or so.
Yeah.
It wasn't just like a couple of weekends.
Like y'all, no, no, no, no.
This was every week.
I actually ended up starting, you know, do it, leading some worship occasionally
at it because it's like an actual like service kind of thing too.
They have speakers and, you know, and do some song, you know, worship songs and
stuff too.
And they do like a group session and then break off into, uh, individual, you know,
small groups based on your addiction.
And obviously if you're a male, you know, sex addict, you know, addiction, uh, you're
not with females with sex addict, you know, whatever.
Um, and so, um, so yeah.
And the spouses of people that had, you know, addictions would meet separately, you
know, if they didn't have an addiction, you know, cause they encourage spouses to
come and support and all that.
And so they had babysitting, you know, childcare, you know, for the kids.
So our whole family would, would come and, you know, obviously Kim never said, you
know, we're, we're going cause your dad's a pervert and, you know, or anything like
that.
Um, so they had no clue what was going on, but, um, so yeah, we were there for, for a
good, I would say year.
So, so from there, where, where did this journey, where did it lead you?
Yeah.
I mean, that's, it was kind of towards the end of that, that I just kind of felt
like, like, I mean, we can't be here forever.
There's gotta be growth.
There's gotta be, you know, um, God, what, what do you want from me?
What is, what is my plan, your plan for me?
And I don't, I don't feel like I am, I am growing while I'm like under all these
restrictions and boundaries and, and, you know, needing to call.
my friend to get you know have him log in and get the password for whatever's
because I need to go on this car buying app or whatever and that's not one of
the approved sites or something and so right and and while that was necessary
for a while you know it just Satan was actually using it to like you you start
like going crazy and if the addiction is still there and you have these things
like you become obsessed with these things okay there's got to be a way
around this and you know what I mean you start trying to figure stuff out and we
saw that with Josh Duggar in how he he created a whole secondary hard drive
within his computer that safe eyes or whatever that program is didn't
recognize and they found all kinds of child porn on that hard drive where it
wasn't on the main hard drive which was being tracked by his wife and whoever
else and that's that's what the that's what an addicted person will do right
and obviously I it makes me so sad that he and so many others like dad have had
issues being attracted to children and and and I just praise God that has never
been anything I've struggled with and so but but my struggle was and so I just
was like God you are supposed to be all satisfying you know God just started
opening my eyes to to who he is and and what he does when you taste of him when
you eat him and drink him like he says in John 6 that we have to do and and I
just started praying God free me from this addiction yeah like like I don't
want to be a sex addict the rest of my life addicted to porn and with all these
restrictions and boundaries and guidelines and and things that if I'm
gonna be an addict I need but then I just get consumed with trying to fill
that addiction and I can't or I finally figure a way through or whatever until
it gets caught or whatever and and we're just in this never-ending thing and I'm
of no use to anyone right spiritually yeah and man I remember exactly where I
was I wish I knew the date I don't know the date but I remember where I was when
God freed me like literally it was a moment it was as an event it was it was
okay yes now like literally overwhelmed with with brokenness with joy with
seeing Jesus more than I'd ever seen him for who he really is like almost not
being born again but almost but close yeah not not the new birth but all like
like I was in a coma and he woke me up yeah from the coma and amazing I've
never been the same since and and people have asked me so you've never looked at
porn since then I'm like I have I and Satan tries to use it against me all the
time but it's different it's there's there is a different way of living now
then there was then I don't have any restrictions on my phone or my laptop or
my accounts or whatever and maybe I should maybe it's a I don't know it's
just a principle for me yeah I don't know I feel like it would be like giving
in to to a lie to do that for
me. Um, and I'm not suggesting anyone who has, has restrictions on their devices or
whatever are selling out or what? No, do what you need to do. And, and, um, but for me,
Jesus continues to draw me to himself and, and show me he's enough. And, um, and when
I do fall to that temptation, occasionally, um, there's immediate recognition of, of the
failure and of the, the, why am I, why am I diving back in this dumpster? Um, you know,
the old CS Lewis, um, analogy of, of we're, we're like, uh, children content on eating
mud pies in the slums because we don't know what a holiday at the sea is like. We are
far too easily pleased. It's not that our desires are too strong. It's that they're
too weak. Um, we don't really know what is true satisfaction, um, when we, when we turn
to those things. Um, and so the Lord is quick to, to bring me back and remind me, I feel
like I struggle like a normal man now, right? Maybe, maybe that's a way to, to, I, I am
no longer a sex addict, praise God. I am no longer addicted to porn or to, to sexual
things before like triggers everywhere. Right. You know? Um, yeah, you'd have to live in
it if you're not looking for them. They are there. Um, I re I remember I would literally
go and pull a cosmopolitan magazine off of the public's, you know, magazine rack and
try to, you know, see scantily clad people, you know, to try to feed that, you know, desire
to see women or whatever. And, and obviously, uh, you know, seeing people in public in the
summertime and bathing suits. And I mean, it was a struggle everywhere all the time.
And I don't struggle like that anymore. Thank God. Um, I, I, I can see a, a sister in Christ
and see them as my sister in Christ. I can see a lost person who, who, uh, doesn't necessarily
have the modesty that I think they should have. And my heart goes out for them as opposed
to lusting after that. I'm not saying I never lost, never struggle with lust. Uh, I'm saying
for the most part, those triggers aren't there. I have to be, you know, uh, there's a much
bigger process, you know, of struggling now or of being tempted now than it, than it was
before. Well, and I think that we're always going to have that until, I mean, while there's
sin on the earth. I mean, we live in a fallen world and there's, there's nothing, you know,
anybody can do about that, obviously. Plus, like you've said, and we've talked about,
it is becoming so much more acceptable that it is, you can't get away. Yeah. You can't,
you, I mean, you just live in the world, not live as a, as a, as a, you know, Mennonite
or a whatever Amish. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what they do or just, you know,
throw a rock or something. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, that's, that's great. So, so have
you felt like that your, um, struggle has, have you been able to help other guys with
it? Is there, I mean, are people, once you, you know, obviously started talking about
it, are there, are you seeing that other guys are willing to talk about it to you? Yeah.
I mean, there've been a few specific guys I've been able to walk with and encourage
and, you know, help them kind of understand what's going on and the right way to look
at it from the standpoint of the, of the battle and the warfare and that we're in. And obviously
everybody has different strategies and, and different things ultimately, um, calling upon
the name of the Lord is the, is the ultimate strategy, you know, whenever temptation, uh,
there's, there's flea youthful lust. There's, you know, resist the devil and he will flee
from you. There's all these things, you know,
There's every man's battle, you know, of your eye, bouncing your eyes, you know,
don't, you know, let your bounce bounce.
Okay.
All right.
And then a big pair of boobs just comes right in front of you.
Okay.
And you're paralyzed.
Okay.
Yeah.
So ultimately, whether it's avoiding, right.
Yeah.
I mean, there's, there's obviously things you want to do or not do to set yourself
for success, but in our current society, it's, it's almost impossible to get away
from, right?
Well, we are, um, extremely, uh, thankful that you have overcome the, um, the sex
addiction and, um, thankful that you are willing to open up about it here.
And, um, cause I know there are so many people that watch us that have been, you
know, affected by people who did not stop and get help, um, they, they made it to
level three and four and, um, and so, you know, and there's so much damage and, you
know, and, and so thankfully that was, um, something that you recognized.
And like you said, you know, the whole getting busted was God's way of rescuing
you from that pit that you were in.
Yes.
So, um, I know that, that if there is anybody that is listening to this or
struggling and they need any kind of resources, you can definitely email us
and we will get you in touch with Brandon who can get you some direction in that.
Because I know in just watching you, I've seen the change up close and personal,
and I, and I know that you don't, you know, struggle like you did and, um, not
that, no, you know, you're still a man, but not that, um, that doesn't have that
hold on you anymore.
So thankful for that.
But, um, we are in freedom and victory.
Yeah, absolutely.
Much more.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, um, we are, um, thankful that everybody has tuned in this season and we
are wrapping up here.
Season two, we're going to take a little break and then we will be back for season
three and we hope you join us there on the next episode of truth.
Talk with Wendy.
Bye.