All right, all right, so this is what we're going to do.
I'm going to start jumping into first of all I just want to see if anybody has any questions about the offer because you guys are VIP you've got to get in a taste of what the protection portal is like you've got a little bit of a taste of it.
Okay, because the protection portal.
It's a lot of like the interaction of what we've been having here, it's very similar to that.
But at the same time, a lot of what you'll see in the Facebook group the private group is people write down specific scenarios that they're going through and they'll say, you know, I'm bringing this book forward I'm meeting with this publisher he's asking
me about this thing. Is this an issue is that not you know so it's very detailed. Again, it's not legal advice right because we don't we don't do any legal stuff because I'm not allowed to do legal advice for people that aren't clients, but obviously
in the audit.
In the audit, it's all legal advice. That's all it is like I'm telling you exactly what things will be best to do what things not to do, laying out the entire game plan for you giving some estimates of cost.
Now just to be clear, if you do the audit that doesn't mean you need to do legal work with me.
Right. I don't want people to think that hold it if I do the audit does that mean I have to do everything on the audit with him. No, you can deal with me or somebody else.
I have many lawyers that I've been mentoring over many years, and all over the world.
So, you can even work with your own lawyers, but still jump into the audit to get a fresh set of eyes on your circumstances and learn everything right and get a strategic plan.
Alright, so with that, I don't, it doesn't seem like everybody has any questions on it. So, I think it's pretty self explanatory anyway. Are they under your umbrella at the new firm.
No, no. So, I'll tell you a little bit about my new firm.
So what I did was pretty much every one of my clients is going, so now I have my own firm.
Right. I have an entire paralegal team, Black Hills IP, which is many different paralegals that are handling like the filings of certain things, but then separate from that I have my own personal paralegal.
I also have an administrative assistant, that's going to be there as well. Ray is going to be helping as well in the law firm. Go Ray! Entering into the legal world, you go girl!
And so, Ray is going to be helping out there too.
To make it too fun!
Yeah, we're going to have a blast. We're just going to have a blast.
And then separate from that, my old law firm in Atlanta, Georgia, was called Thomas Kaden Horstmeyer Risley. They're called Thomas Horstmeyer now. They have 33 IP attorneys.
When the founder Scott Horstmeyer found out about this, he said, if you ever need any support, you can work with any one of our 33 attorneys.
So now I have support by 33 attorneys on top of the firm that I'm building.
So it's just, it's an act of God. It's just an act of God, because this stuff is not, you know, I wrote this in a book, somebody would say, yeah, fiction.
So, so we're very fortunate. We're very fortunate. And so I'd love to share that with all of you, help you any way I can, because I want to make sure you guys do well.
All right. And with that, yeah, favor. Yeah.
Very blessed. All right. So with that, let me start out by just seeing, does anybody have, oh, April has her hand up.
Do you have a question?
I do. I have a question about the group first.
Yeah, sure.
Good.
And that is just how large is the existing group? I didn't catch that.
Yeah, good question. So it's 60, so far it's 60 people that are in the existing group.
And some of them are coming up for renewal. I know some of them are definitely on it.
Like now, some of them are renewing in November, some of them are renewing in January, others in like April, because it's, you get one year, when you join, you get a full year, based on when you jump in.
So it's not a calendar year, like it's a full year from when you join.
So right now, I think it's like 60.
We have 63 in the Facebook group, but we have about 77 members. You know, it's not, everyone's on social media, but as far as we know.
I think there's probably 63 that are actually members, and then there's some people that I kind of put in there.
And then the foundations and IP, it's brand new. Peter's never offered this before.
Oh, yeah, that's never happened.
Yeah.
That's right. So that's for the protection portal itself, that's how many people are there.
And what you find, like some might think, well, if it gets too big, is my question going to be answered, right? Some people might ask that.
And so what I'm actually doing is, if it hits 100, I start another group.
So each group will have a maximum of 100.
So this way, like if...
If we hit, let's say, because we have about 70-something people
who are in this challenge right now, I think, something like
that.
Yeah, we're over 70.
Is it?
Yeah, so that are in the challenge.
So let's say that 25 people take the offer,
then we're still under the 100, right?
And the good part is that you get
to email me your questions before we actually
have the session.
So I can look at them and see which ones should
we hit in this session, and then I actually
cover what people are emailing on.
Plus, there are some hot seats that take place, too.
But I'd say the thing that's really, really neat
is that a lot of people that are in there,
there are some people that ask a lot of questions,
but there's a good number of people
that are there to just soak.
Like you can see, they just soak and soak and soak.
And so you don't have a situation at all.
Ray can tell you, or Larissa can tell you,
you don't have a situation where there's like 4 billion
people raising their hands.
That's not.
Right, it's more community-based,
and everyone's helping each other.
And it's like one thing you can't really stress enough,
is it's all about like we are really like a tribe.
So it's beautiful.
What Peter created, it just became,
it took on a form of its own, and it's amazing.
So everyone does help each other.
There's no extensive overlap.
And you also have the ability to, like with the portal,
the tribe social to even see if you wanted to go back
and archive old videos as well.
Like you said, you'll have an option
to reach out to us about that.
So there's just a lot of different options
to make sure that you're covered in all directions.
And the audit also,
you get the direct questions with them as well.
Right.
Yeah, that's the thing I liked about the audit
is it's no longer, well, I emailed my question.
I hope it's answered or whatever.
It's like, no, it's one-on-one.
It's, oh, that's the other thing.
The audit is not a group event.
This is not like here.
It's one-on-one.
We sit down alone.
It's legal consultation.
So Alyssa, Allison, go ahead.
Sorry.
Did April say she had another question?
Oh, did you?
Yeah, go ahead.
I did have a question about actual IP stuff,
but I didn't know if there were any other questions
about the offer.
And the question I had was one
that I had put on the Facebook group
and several other people seem to be wanting to know
also with course creation.
Yes.
Just copyright, trademark for online courses.
What are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, that's one of the main topics we're covering today.
Yeah, we're going into that in detail.
Yeah.
Terrific, thanks.
Because I want to talk about evergreen stuff.
So we're going to hit evergreen stuff right after.
Once we're done with this, we're going into that.
Perfect, thank you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Allison, go ahead.
I just remembered that you said earlier
that you saw something in the spirit
that you were going to share.
I thought, no, maybe.
I thought I did share it.
I don't think they knew what you were sharing,
but I think it was a remembrance.
Yeah, no, I shared.
In the moment, I shared it.
So I didn't hold it back.
I shared it during the moment.
So I'll go back in the video and I'll listen to it
and I'll see if there's something extra that was there.
But I'll go back and listen to it, Allison.
You know me, so I'll go back and listen to it.
Yeah, and then I did.
I talked with Ray about doing ACH
instead of doing the card,
because I have a small bank
and I moved across the country
and my card didn't make it with me.
So I just wanted to do that
to make sure that I got myself up there.
Yeah, yeah, I think, Ray, we can do that, right?
Yeah, I think that we can find a way,
if not, maybe invoice with Stripe,
but we'll figure it out and we'll honor the deadline
when they're here with you, because you're trying.
Yeah, I was like, the second you put the link in,
I was like, click, oh no, so, okay.
Yeah, there's a few people that did that right away.
They were like, click, click, yeah.
Yeah, we got some opponents, they're signing up,
we're so excited.
Well, it's a true blessing that,
that just so everybody understands,
I couldn't do this before
because my law firm wouldn't allow me to do this, right?
Because it's essentially offering legal services.
And so you're not allowed to offer legal services like this.
And so they didn't really understand this,
what we're doing.
And so I tried to explain it,
but then there was some concern with,
hold it, you're working with people
who are just starting out,
we wanna kind of do patents for multiple people
and like high volume.
And I'm like, I don't think you see the big picture.
So as I need to do this on my own.
So that's part of why now I have the freedom
to do whatever I want.
I mean, although just to be clear,
my firm is amazing, like great people,
incredibly smart, brilliant people.
So I'm not saying anything bad about the people,
they just don't understand the challenge industry.
So it is what it is.
Tom, did you have a question?
about the offer? No, it wasn't about the offer. Okay, so it's a later. Okay, sure. I do have a
question I would message that would be good to cover here. Does the offer include my business
partner instead of my spouse? That's a great question. Okay, let's talk about that for a minute.
Yes. Okay, all right. Now, just let me qualify this, okay? Because some people try to take
advantage of this in a weird way, all right? So if it is your business partner, meaning same
business, all right? Then, yes, you can bring your business partner in. I'll allow that. That's
fine. We'll do that. We'll make it work for you, okay? Because then what a blessing would be if
you both knew things, right? What you cannot do. Let me just qualify what you cannot do,
right? Your business partner, if your business partner is involved in another company, your
business partner can't bring information about the other company, can't ask questions about the
other company. That wouldn't be fair to the people that are there because you essentially
would be doubling up, right? The other thing is you have to like collaborate on your questions.
You can't double up on your questions. I've seen that happen. It's kind of cute when you watch it,
but then you're thinking, hold it, that's not fair to other people. So what I would say is if you're
bringing a business partner, I will honor that because I want you to succeed. If that's not clear,
let me say it. I really want to see you succeed. That's why we're doing this, okay? It's very
important that you guys do well. So it just makes sense that if you're married, your spouse is there,
or if you have a business partner, your business partner's there, right? But just again, as a
qualifier, one business, not multiple businesses that you're asking questions about. And then
finally, just try not to double up on things. So my partner's Bob. Bob says, I've got a question.
And Peter asked the question right after it's like, just try to be courteous to others. That's
all. So besides that, yeah, I'll honor it. I'll do it. But what you need to do though, is you need
to email Ray or myself and let us know who that person is because they're not going to be able
to get in because we don't have their name. So we need to get their name inside of our active
campaign so that we can start sending them the, you know, the invitations to things and the reports
on things because they never signed up. So this way we'll be able to do that for them. Okay. Does
that make you guys happy? You guys okay with that? You want that? All right, cool. So your partners
are in. All right. Let's start talking. Was there any other questions before I jump into the legal
stuff? I think we're good. Okay. We are good to rock and roll. Time to start cranking. All right.
Let's talk about online courses, which ironically April raised up, which is exactly what we're
covering because it's a really important issue. And there's a few people that have,
actually there's a lot of people that have questions in this area. So if you have online
classes, there are live classes and then there are recordings, right? Okay. So they're like
streaming, live streaming, and then there are recordings, right? Both of them potentially
have copyrightable, are potentially copyrightable works. The recordings definitely are copyrightable
works. No brainer. That's easy. What about live streaming? It needs to be some kind of,
it needs to be fixed, right? So at some point, if we're live streaming into Facebook, if Facebook
has a copy of it, then by all means it's fixed. It's a copyrightable work, right? So if you're
doing live performances and there's a recording of a live performance, that's copyrightable work.
So if you have a course, like we're doing the courses here and we're doing some kind of
presentation and there's a recording, that's a copyrightable work. Okay. So if you have an
evergreen course, let me talk about evergreen. Does everybody know what an evergreen course is?
There may be some that don't. Okay. That's cool. Yeah. I see some that aren't sure. So let me just
explain it. So let's say that you've been doing some training and you decided to take those
trainings and make them available online where you can actually go and purchase it. Purchase like five
days of training and it's just, it's just there. It's available. Now you go on Facebook and you
start running ads for that training. Somebody clicks on the link for the ad. The clicking on
the link for the ad brings them to the course. They sign up for the course. Now it is readily available,
right? You can watch the videos. There's day one, day two, day three, day four, day five.
And the fee is $4.95. It's not 95 bucks for a live thing. It's $4.95, right?
That's called an evergreen.
All right, so now the question is,
what's protectable for the evergreen?
Well, all the recordings are protectable.
Any of the writings that are associated with it,
any of the handouts that you provide,
what happens quite often is when you have an evergreen,
you also have a link for materials, right?
All those materials are protectable under copyright law.
Okay, now your evergreen course may have a name.
That name for your evergreen course
is protectable under what?
Somebody type in the chat.
Trademark, exactly, very good, very good, guys.
I just, I love this, you guys are so smart.
You know what I'm gonna do tomorrow?
I have a scenario that I'm gonna share
with all of you tomorrow.
I'll post it tonight,
and then tomorrow we'll look at the scenario,
and I wanna see just how many IP issues
you guys can spot in the scenario.
Just so you guys can be impressed,
when you look at it, you'll go,
whoa, that's trademark, that's copyright,
that's trade secret, that's a,
like you'll just know, boom, boom, boom, boom,
as you go through.
So one of the things that's really important to me
is that you can issue spot, right?
It's not necessarily that you can do everything right,
it's that you know that there's an issue.
Now that you know that there's an issue,
you can raise the issue to somebody else
that knows what they're doing,
or you can do more research.
But if you don't even know there's an issue,
if you don't know you have a flat tire,
you may be burning out your rims, right?
That noise, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
is probably a good hint
that something's wrong with your tire, okay?
So you need to spot the issue and say,
oh, there's a copyright issue here, got it.
Now you can actually speak to somebody about it.
Okay, so we talked about the recording that's there, right?
We talked about the title of the course, right?
That's protectable by trademarks.
Any of your materials are likely protectable
under copyright law, okay?
So now, if somebody takes your recordings, your videos,
and they, let me just ask you a question.
They take your recordings from your videos
and they take their cell phone
and they go over to the app for recording, right?
Here's the app for recording, Voice Recorder.
And as it's playing, they hit record.
They're recording it.
What area of law is that a violation of?
Just type it in chat.
Copyright law, exactly.
That's a violation of copyright law.
So if you do have an Evergreen,
people cannot transcribe it.
People cannot do audio copies of it.
They can't download the videos.
Even downloading the video is copyright infringement.
And you need to make that clear on your,
this is something we jump into in detail
in the protection portal and other places.
So let me just give you a hint,
like kind of a preview to it.
If you're gonna do online content, you need disclaimers.
You need policies.
Like you have to lay out your policies and procedures
and you need your disclaimers, all right?
People need to understand what they can
and cannot do on your site.
And you should actually have it so that
they need to select, if they're going to purchase from you,
they need to select like either e-sign
or check a box that says that they understand legally
what they can and cannot do, okay?
You should have those terms and conditions
associated with your Evergreen product.
There should be a terms and, again,
I'm gonna say it slow because this is really important.
People do this wrong.
There should be a terms and condition portion
to your Evergreen product.
It should say how they can use it, how they can't use it.
And then what you can and can't do,
it should specify no copies, no audio copies,
no video downloads, no transcription.
Like those are all violations of copyright law, okay?
So you wanna make that clear
and you can either have them e-sign it, right?
Electronically sign when they make the purchase
or you do what I did, which is I have on my,
before you actually sign up for VIP,
there is a button there that says,
you understand this is not legal advice.
You actually could not subscribe.
Yeah, I know.
You actually could not subscribe unless you could not be here unless you checked that box.
So every one of you has signed essentially a disclaimer.
I made sure of that, right, because I don't want to be potentially held liable for anything that I say.
Everybody understands this is quote-unquote entertainment purposes.
It's for you to do a future review. And it always, as I always say, talk to your lawyers.
Now, granted, I've been doing this 25 years, but the whole point is you want to be smart.
So if you have evergreen material. Again, make sure you have a terms and conditions clause.
All right. And don't just have it on your site. Make them sign it.
Like make them before they on the credit card form have a box there.
That's that. You know, you have to check it saying that they understand the terms and conditions.
You have read the terms and conditions. Yes or no. Click. Yes.
If they don't click on that thing. Nope. You can't register. Right.
Why? Because what you've created is extremely valuable.
Some of you like creating these courses and it's like it's taken you years to fine tune them.
So why in the world would you give the thing away like that? That's just that wouldn't be the smart thing to do.
So for that reason, I would have terms and conditions. Does that make sense to all of you?
Yeah. OK. Pamela. Oh, my gosh. It's Pamela. I'm here.
You thank you. Thank you. It was my stupid other Facebook.
I'm here, but I have a kind of a complicated question. So please, we like complicated questions.
Well, as for me, it's hard for me to say it. OK, so here we go. I'm in a group.
I'm paying somebody for being in their group. In the trainings and in the group, if I accidentally,
even though they warned us and said, be careful what you say when you don't talk about, you know, keep everything private and stuff.
All of a sudden you spit out something. Shouldn't we in a group such as all?
I mean, do we all sign a protection? Piece of paper from me and the other person.
Say there's 10 people in a course. This is such a good question, Pamela.
We get protected in that course. Yeah. From the things that I might spill out.
Right. And that somebody doesn't go, OK. And then they're taking my domain name because I haven't got to it yet because I had this creative moment.
But I was there. So that's a good question. So thank you. I just really.
This is why. See, there's this balancing test, like we're trying to provide an environment where people feel safe to share,
but at the same time, we have to be cognizant or aware that there is a thing called intellectual property.
And so there's a balance test. You have to determine, well, do I want to allow complete freedom for people to say anything they want?
Do I want to limit what they say and then potentially have less people participate? Right.
Or do I want to have maybe a non-disclosure agreement that everybody who signs up that's in this group has to sign a non-disclosure agreement or NDA and an NCA, which is non-disclosure and non-compete agreement.
Right. So if you hear somebody say something, you agree that you're not going to steal their idea.
Right now, if it's in a group setting, the beauty of a non-disclosure and a non-compete agreement is that it's recorded.
So if, you know, if Tom says, you know what, I've got this brand new engine for cars and it works on water.
Right. And people like, whoa, hold on.
Now, I'd be frustrated with Tom because, I mean, you know, if I came up with an invention like that, I'd retire to a place like Hawaii.
He's already in Hawaii. So why does he need a good idea? That's all I'm saying.
But anyways, you know, I digress. Yeah, you're in Hawaii, too. Right.
So but the whole point being that with a non-disclosure, non-compete agreement.
Yes. The beauty of that is that and if it's also recorded and you can see, oh, yeah, Tom mentioned a combustion engine that's utilizing water.
And all of a sudden, Peter does the exact same thing, like, oh, you signed a non-disclosure, non-compete.
Here's the recording of the session and it shows that Tom's the one who revealed it.
You know, so it's it may be a good way to kind of control that environment or at least make people more concerned about revealing.
But at the end of the day, it's a balance.
because us as individuals, I think I've kind of shown you how I try to control how much you reveal
here, right? You notice I don't let people start talking about their inventions. Second somebody
tries to, I said, well, let's talk theoretically. Don't tell me that you have a new heat-sensitive
device associated with cell phones, so all you do is you wave at your cell phone and boom,
it turns on, right? Like, don't tell me that. Just say, hey, I've got a new technology that
works in telecommunications, right? So that's what we do. We try to keep it top level. So in
your situation, Pamela, if you're running the group, like there's a difference between running
the group and being in the group, right? If you're running the group, I'll speak to everybody here
because some of you are coaches, actually a lot of you are coaches. If you're running a group,
you may want to have a non-disclosure non-compete with all the people that sign up
if you want to have a freedom to talk a little more. Now, here's the problem, though.
Patent law, which we're going to talk about tomorrow as we're closing up copyrights,
doesn't care if you have a non-disclosure agreement in place or not. If you disclose something,
right, in certain foreign countries, certain foreign countries have an absolute non-disclosure
requirement. And if you disclose it, they do say that if you have an NDA in place, then it's okay,
it's not considered a disclosure. But in the United States, they don't honor non-disclosures
when it comes to disclosure. So in the United States, when you reveal something,
right, let's say you offer something for sale. If I offer you my cell phone, Pamela, in our group
session, I offer you my cell phone for sale. Whether I have a non-disclosure agreement or not,
the clock just started. I have one year to file a patent application. If I don't file that patent
application, it's considered donated to the public. All right, that means it's gone. It's gone.
Somebody's got feedback. Well, the other question too. Oh, it's you. All right, hold on. Pamela,
hold on a second. I was trying to figure out where we were getting the background noise.
Go ahead and unmute. Can you hear it on mute? Yeah. There you go. Okay, go ahead.
So say that I'm not the coach in this particular... You're the participant.
Mm-hmm, participant. Yes. We did a non-disclosure, but we didn't do a non-compete.
Yes. And so is that wise to ask and say, should we sign a non-compete in the group?
Well, again, it always depends upon the forum you're in, right? So I'm a member of 100X,
right? Love the people, incredibly brilliant. People share ideas there all the time. And it's
kind of like the environment. It's just the environment that's there, but you just got to
be cognizant of IP issues. So you know what you can say and what you can't say. And since you've
been in the Protector Idea Challenge, you know not to go into, well, there's a PN junction that's
provided on this microchip fabrication. And so therefore the silicon does... Don't do that.
Just say, I've got a new microchip, period. That's it. You know better, right? And so everybody who
has been in the Protector Idea Challenge knows enough to know what they can and cannot say in
that environment. So you should feel completely free and breathe well and say to myself, hold it.
I know that I'm not going to mention my exact trademark because I'm concerned that somebody's
going to go buy the domain name and somebody else might file for it as an intent to use application.
So I'm not going to mention the exact trademark. And I'm not going to mention all the details
of my invention because I know that if I offer it for sale, then the statutory bar starts. You
have knowledge that 90% of the people in that room don't have. So for your purposes, whether
you sign a non-disclosure or non-compete or a repeat or a net repeat, doesn't matter because
the fact of the matter is you know where the law stands. So you're fine. You know what you're going
to disclose and you're not going to disclose. Does that make sense? Yeah. And so it's up to me.
I need to be the big girl here and just be the responsible. I would say this much. When I'm in
somebody else's environment, I never try to push forward my will upon them, right? I try to honor
what they're doing. I try to like kind of. Now, if I have an opportunity to speak into somebody,
I share. But it's their environment. It's not mine. So if I've got like
Russell Brunson, if I'm in one of his events or if I'm in a mastermind or whatever,
and I see people just like it's just.
it's just IP regurgitation. Like it's just bad. Like it's, I
mean, literally, I'm cringing as I'm seeing these people talk,
and I'm like,
and people are going, what's wrong? I'm saying, I've
literally seen millions of dollars being thrown away in
this last five minutes, like, but the fact that matter is, I'm
blessed that I have that knowledge, right? I can share
that knowledge with others. I can say, hey, you know, maybe
instead of going into intricate detail on your invention is what
you do as a coach. You say, hey, maybe instead of going into
intricate detail on your invention, what you can do is
talk about it at a top level. Instead of saying, instead of
saying I've created tires for a bicycle with a disc, just say,
I've got a new I got a new tire that harnesses wind that allows
you to go faster. Now people are like, Whoa, you got what? Like,
how in the world to do that? Well, you're gonna have to wait
till the product comes out.
Oh, that's a good line. I like that.
Yeah, now all of a sudden you gain interest, but you didn't
disclose everything. That's the way I would handle those
situations. I never tried to push to push my agenda upon
others. Okay. But at the same time, I am now cognizant I do
understand something that I can share with others, but I would
never talk to the others say, No, don't say anything. Don't
I, I would say more of why don't you talk about it at a top
level. And I'll explain what a top level means. Right. And, and
I can tell you like, as a fact, I mean, in a number of the
environments that I'm involved in right now, I'm just gonna
mute you because there's some background. Um, so a number of
the people that are in these groups, when I'm in groups with
them, now they're identifying the issues, like they're coming
out and saying, Oh, man, I can't tell you exactly what I'm doing,
because I might run into a patent issue. And I'm like, go
go. It's awesome. Yes. So the word is spreading people are
becoming educated, which is such a blessing. That's why I asked
people to spread the word about this so we can help others. So
alright, with that, let me go to Tom, do we we didn't answer your
question? Yeah, what's your question, brother?
All right. Yesterday, we had brought up this subject that
we're going to talk about today. And that is, as authors, as
course developers and stuff, we often quote other authors. And
you're saying there's a right way to do that. Right? Yeah. And
you say you're going to talk about that today. Yeah. So if
you're referencing, and there's actually I actually found the
article that I wanted to drop for you guys. So I'll drop it
today. So you guys have it right afterwards. There's an article
that actually shows you how much you can take there's, there's a
balance test, the balance test basically says, if you're
trying to talk about, let's say there's a newsworthy thing, and
you're grabbing some of the text to say, you know, Steve said
this today, and then you cite to it. And then you give the
reference for where it is where it came from. Right? And you're
talking about it. It's like newsworthy. It's like, it's a
discussion of what they've done, right of what they said, right?
That's very, there's a balance test between that and quoting
stuff from a book, in which case you'd fall into copyright
infringement. It's, it's a delicate line. And the article,
I think does a good job of saying just how much you can
take, because in my mind, I may think it's copyright infringement
in your mind, you may think it's not right. And so the question
is, how's the court going to interpret the use. And so the
general rule, the general rule is, if you're just grabbing
somebody's stuff, and you're pasting it here, that in general
is not allowed, right? But if you're, as an example, I'm a
litigator, right? So when I file a pleading, I'm constantly
citing cases, like I'm citing cases left and right, and I'm
citing books and textbooks and, and like technical journals,
and I'll, I'll say, you know, the, the 2015, volume two issue
of the IEEE, you know, defines such and such as, quote,
unquote, I'll use that language, that's actually permissible. But
if I go and I take like a large portion of IEEE, and just paste
it into my book, you know, into my into my document, that can be
considered copyright infringement. So that there's a
delicate way of exactly how to do it, where it's a cross
reference to something else, which is necessary, so as to
bring forward a point, right. And what I found is that article,
it does a good job of kind of distinguishing the two. And I
can tell you, honestly, as a litigator, somebody who, like
handles this, there, there is an area that's kind of a murky line,
where people go from citing stuff to
who grabbing stuff so they can use it
and make themselves well-known.
There's a very delicate line between the two.
And so that's why I say,
if you find yourself doing those cross-references,
like talk to a lawyer about your exact scenario,
like show them, like this is what I'm doing.
And just because there's an area
where there's a lot of lawsuits happening
and that's where people are not just citing
for reporting purposes and comparative purposes,
they're actually trying to take,
it's almost like an attribution
and they're trying to take advantage
of what the other person provides.
And that shady line is where all the lawsuits happen.
And I wouldn't want that to happen to any of you guys.
So I'll publish the article.
I'll publish the article.
I'll drop the link
so I don't get into copyright infringement.
That's all we need.
In the news,
Peter Nieves, founder of Protect Your Idea Challenge,
sued for copyright infringement.
Not a good idea.
Not a good promotional ad, all right?
So I'll drop that for you tonight
so you have that time.
And then if you have further questions,
we can talk more, okay?
But it's very fact-specific, very fact-specific.
Can't say that fast, geez.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Because when I talk to other people,
that question comes up all the time.
So I quoted a poem by somebody
and a poem's copyrightable material.
But you want to share a beautiful poem with your people.
See, you can't do that.
See, that's the thing.
What you just said is,
I want to share a beautiful poem with my people.
That's different from citing to a line of something
for analysis purposes or discussion purposes
or reporting purposes.
That's actually, I want to share it with my people.
Well, then buy the book.
That's what they'll say.
Buy the book, buy the poem, buy the journal
so that the person who created the work
can receive the financial gain for what they've produced.
That's how the government looks at it.
So there's a delicate line between reporting
for discussion purposes and grabbing stuff
so as to share with others,
which is copyright infringement.
Very delicate line, very murky, lots of litigation.
I try to tell people stay far,
far away from there as you can.
But if you're doing something like a report,
people do reports all the time
and they cite to a certain part of something, right?
But a report is, it's referencing something
to support an argument.
It's not grabbing stuff so as to bless their people
with additional material in their book.
That's copyright infringement.
Again, it's a fine line.
You have to understand just how far you can go.
And let me add one more thing.
Bible, Bible verses, okay?
Let me talk about that for a second.
If you're looking at like old school Bibles
that have been around for hundreds of years,
the original King James,
there's no trademarks on those things anymore.
I mean, no copyrights on those things anymore.
Those are long gone, right?
Copyrights are long gone, okay?
But there are newer Bibles
that have copyrights associated with them.
So you gotta be careful.
I know there's some people here that do ministry,
some people here that are having sessions
where they're praying for others, blessing others,
which is great by all means, that's phenomenal.
Problem is you can't create a handout
or whatever you want just grabbing texts
from other people's books.
That's copyright infringement.
Now, if you look at something like the Passion Translation,
the Passion Translation,
if you look at the rights associated with the book,
it actually tells you in there,
I don't know how many words or passages it is,
but you're allowed to cite up to a certain amount.
You're allowed to copy up to a certain amount
from the Passion Translation.
Look at the book, look at the Bible that they have, right?
And when you look at it,
you'll see in the terms and conditions for it
that they actually tell you
that you can grab so much from their Bible
and they're not gonna sue you, right?
So don't assume because it's the word of God
that it's free for everybody, right?
Jesus is free.
That Bible that you probably just bought is not free, okay?
So there's a big difference between the two, right?
Even though he is the word made flesh,
but that's the subject for another day, okay?
So the whole point, oh, is that right?
Larissa, is that right?
250 verses?
It went up then.
Well, this is.
The vote I'm looking at in my hands, copyright 2018.
Okay.
And it says up to 250.
And then it tells you how you can quote it.
Okay.
Non-salable media, blah, blah, blah.
And that's towards the beginning?
That's the passion translation, yeah.
Yeah, it's towards the beginning of it, Larissa?
Right on the backside of the title page
before the table of contents.
Yep, there you go, see?
So there you have your terms and conditions.
There's a confirmation.
You get your terms and conditions right there in front.
So you can figure out how much you can use,
how much you can't use, just by looking right,
right where the copyright typically is in a book.
Here's one.
Your copyright notice.
There's so many of these.
All right, so let's see.
Here's another one.
And your copyright notice is literally
like on the back of page one.
So on your back of page one, you'll see there,
this is the Life Application Study Bible, right?
New American Standard Bible, copyright 2000.
And underneath there, you'll see permission to quote.
Oh, this is so good.
You're awesome, Jesus.
All right, so it says permission to quote.
Here you go.
It says, the text of the New American Standard Bible
may be quoted and or reprinted
up to and inclusive of 500 verses.
Oh, you get more verses out of this one, Larissa.
You get 500 out of this one.
So verses without express written permission
of the Lachman Foundation.
See, so it tells you if you want more,
it tells you who you actually have to consult with, okay?
So what you do in your books,
if you're quoting from books,
they may have something like that.
They may have terms and conditions.
So look in your book and see if there's something there
that tells you you can use 10 pages, 15 pages,
whatever it is, but I typically see it with Bibles.
I don't tend to see it with textbooks.
So is there a follow-up question
to that specific thing on the Bibles in April?
Go ahead.
I was gonna follow up
to the kind of what we were talking about before
in terms of the one line or something like that.
Inspirational quotes.
Like for example, you know, Pedro was quoting Disney.
It's kind of fun to do the impossible, right?
So this is like one thing.
And it's not a heart of an entire work
or anything like that.
No, but it's, remember how I taught you
about the essence of the copyright?
So there's certain quotes that second you see the quote,
you know where it came from.
And so you gotta be careful.
I'm not gonna speak towards what other people exactly do.
I'll just say that like, you just, yeah.
Next topic.
So no, but the whole point being that
if it's a famous quote and you're grabbing a famous quote
and you're attributing it,
I believe that article talks about famous quotes as well.
So it'll, you know, if after you see the article,
you still have questions,
we can talk about it some more tomorrow.
Okay, thanks a bunch.
Yeah, it's an area that I've actually dug into myself
trying to figure out how much can I do?
How much can't I do?
Because it's a very delicate and dangerous area.
So, all right, Sylvia,
I don't think I've answered a question from you.
Hi Peter, how's it going?
And hi everybody.
Good, good to see you.
Yeah, it's nice to be here.
I did a trademark search and it said dead and abandoned.
So maybe other people have the same question.
So I wanted to know what does that mean, you know,
in regards to possibly using that if it says dead
and abandoned and really what's that all about?
Let me, I'm gonna walk you through one.
That's a great question.
The word abandoned, what does that mean?
So we talked a little bit about dead before,
but we really didn't touch based on this abandonment thing.
So let me take a second here to show all of you this.
In just another little bit while you're on there,
you also talked about a certain date
and it had like all these numbers
and I didn't know exactly how to read that.
So maybe you could go back and just kind of go over
the date of when something was established.
So I know exactly how to decode that.
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I'm happy to.
Thanks.
Let me do, how about,
I'm gonna think of a trademark where there's a lot
of things that are similar to it.
Oh, I got one.
Okay, I got one.
All right, so I'm going to do a search for a word that I know is used a lot.
But then I'm going to share my screen so you can see.
But then what I'm going to do
is I'm going to limit it to a certain class. So let's see if I put it in 009
as an international class. Let's see.
Okay, there's a good one. Yeah, I know there's a lot of trademarks for Aspire because one of
my clients went for Aspire. So here you see a number of dead. See on the right side here, dead,
dead, dead, dead, right? Yeah. So I'm sure there's some of these that will be dead
as abandoned. All right, here's a good example. All right, how do you know if it's abandoned?
Typically, if it says dead, but there's a registration number. See here, this is a
registration number. So if you go all the way to the top, you'll see serial number. Every trademark
application that's filed receives a serial number automatically, okay? Whether you get a registration
or not, you always have a serial number. Second you file, boom, serial number. So these ones that
are listed here, one, two, three, four, five here, these are all filed and they're recent
because the ones that are at the top tend to be the more recent. As you go down, these are older,
right? And you can tell by the numbers, the numbers are sequential. So the newer ones will
have a higher number than the older ones, right? The older ones you'll see as you go down, you get
more dead stuff. See, all dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, because they're old.
They're all past 120 years, right? I'm just kidding. So they're all dead because of that.
So trademarks, by the way, can last forever. There's no expiration on trademarks.
So why does something, if it's, why doesn't some have the registration number if they're
live? Yeah, that's what I'm going to show you right now. Okay, cool. So when you file,
you automatically get a serial number. You don't get a registration number until it actually gets
through the United States Patent and Trademark Office, right? Okay, so now this mark here,
you see it's alive. See, it says live. It has a registration number and it has a serial number.
So that means it went through the whole examination process and the result was they got a
registration. So they have a federal registration and it tells you that's alive. So that means that
it's still alive right now. Okay, so now if I want to find things that went abandoned,
that actually were registered at one point, then when I come down here, what I would look for is
something that has a serial number, which is everything. Everything has a serial number,
but I would look for ones that actually have a registration number.
So if I look for a trademark that has a registration number that's listed as dead,
that means that they abandoned it, right? Because it went through the United States
Patent and Trademark Office. They got a registration and then after their registration,
something happened for that case to go dead. All right, now that action could be a few different
things. It could be an affirmative abandonment, where somebody files a document with the United
States Patent and Trademark Office to abandon it. It could be on top of that, it could also be
a situation where somebody didn't pay the renewal fee, right? So that's another situation.
Those are both different situations that you can have. Okay, so now let's look at this example here.
This one, NBCOT expire. Let's click on that one. So NBCOT expire. You see it's canceled,
canceled, canceled. They first got a registration. They had a registration number,
but then it died. So we want to know why it died. So if you click on TSDR here,
it now takes you to this resource. So if I make this bigger so you can read it,
here you go. Dead registration, canceled or invalidated. The trademark was registered,
but subsequently it was canceled or invalidated and removed from registry.
So it tells you that it either was canceled or invalidated, right? If you click on documents,
here is your registration certificate they got in 2015. They received a courtesy reminder
of the renewal fee being due. It says, Courtesy Reminder Section 8. That's a renewal. They never
paid it, right? Since they didn't pay it, it says trademark registration maintenance document
under Section 8 must be filed before deadline or the registration will be canceled. See?
So they didn't
pay it. So that means that the case went abandoned. Okay. Now,
what does that mean to you that that's all a really nice story.
You know, it's great. I understand. You know, now I
understand how to tell whether or not something's alive or dead
and what it means. But what does that mean to me? So let's say
you have a name. And you're interested in the name and you
do a search and you say, Whoa, it says, abandoned canceled. How
do you know if you can use the name or not? Right? Correct. So
one of the things that you do is today I showed all of you a
tool called the way back machine, right? So what you guys
can do is you can search on Google, obviously, or some other
search engine, there's a lot of different search engines,
everybody uses Google. But if you want to make sure that
people don't know about your searches and keep track of it,
there's what is it called? DuckDuckGo, I think is a
searching. I think there's a search engine called DuckDuckGo
that legally is not supposed to keep track of all your searches.
Right? Which is helpful. If you're if you're coming up with
trademark ideas, and, you know, other things, and you don't want
people to keep track of it all. DuckDuckGo is pretty good. All
right, so. So now you're you're out there and you're, you do
Google search, and you see the company and you, their
trademark was abandoned in 2015, it says, but you see, it's
on their website. So you got to realize that just because
somebody didn't pay the money to renew something doesn't mean that
they have no rights under trademark law.
So it's a common law, they're still using it.
Could be, you don't know, right. So if, if it's on their website,
still, and they're selling products, still, they may have
rights under common law. In which case, because you've been
in this challenge, you now realize just because I did a
quick search, and I didn't see something doesn't mean I can
just go out there and start doing the same thing. Right. So
you might want to check that out, look it up and see, hold
it. Hmm, was abandoned 2015. It's all over their website. I
just did a search on eBay. They're selling products with
that same name. Stay away. Okay. Yeah. What is the website is no
longer in service? That's a good question, Tim. Yeah. What if the
website's no longer in service? That's a great question. Yeah, I
mean, you can do you can do other searches, you don't. The
searches that I do as an attorney, they're they're kind
of expensive. All right. So like I can do surveys, I can do other
things. I have resources that do that. I wouldn't suggest you go
using those like they're like $15,000 to do research on
companies like you know, you don't need to do all that. But
I'm sure there's like less expensive resources that are
available to determine whether or not a company is still using
a trademark or not. I mean, as a as a as a final alternative, you
could call the company. If you're not using it yet, right?
If you're already, it's probably a bad idea to call the company
because now you become a target. Right? So if I'm using the MSIP
and somebody all of a sudden calls me up says, Hey, how are
you? I'm like, Hey, how are you? Um, yeah, Peter, do you have
us right? Yep. I'm just curious. Are you using the MSIP? Why are
you asking? Oh, yeah, just you know, um, well, I was nice
outside. I go walk my dog. I click like literally, I'm like
trace the number now, figure out where they work, and then look
up that company to see whether or not the committee trademark
infringement, the second that I find out about that, right. So
for that reason, you got to be careful. Like don't don't go. I
tell people don't go randomly calling up people because you
think you can have you know, like a kumbaya moment. It's
like, sometimes people don't want to roast the marshmallow in
the fire. They want to roast you in the fire. Right? So I'd be
careful. So in your scenario, if you have a trademark that looks
like it's abandoned, it looks like it's safe. If you're not
using it yet, you can do further searches on Google and other
stuff. It still looks good. You're still a little concerned
you can call them up. So hey, I'm thinking of using this
trademark here. I see you had a registration a long time ago. It
doesn't seem like you're using it. We just want to make sure
it's safe. You know, we just want to give you a courtesy
call. Now here's the thing. If you're kind of concerned that
maybe they are using it, then if they're on the phone, they say
Yeah, Sylvia. Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead. No problem. We got no
problems. Go ahead. God bless you. Hope your business does
well. You're like, okay, well, I'm going to follow that up with
a letter. Can you please, you know, just confirm that, you
know, you're okay with this? You know, and if you're really
concerned, then ask your lawyer about what's called a covenant
not to sue.
right? Now you reach out to your man, this is this is good
stuff. This is valuable stuff. So I'm just it just hit me what
I'm telling you guys here. Like, this is good stuff. So like you
could actually ask your lawyers for a covenant not to sue. Get
the other side to sign off on a covenant not to sue. Now you're
golden. Now it's like if there's somebody, why do you do a
covenant not to sue with a company? The reason why you do a
covenant not to sue with a company is because, you know, you
might be best friends with Mike, but someday Mike might
sell the company. And so all of a sudden, you know, Sarah owns
the company. And Sarah looks at the company and says, there's
some good assets here. Here's a trademark here that we haven't
been using for years. And, you know, it looks like this other
party's using it here. I want $15,000. And you're like, but
no, Mike said I could use a trademark. She's like, who's
Mike? Well, Mike was a former CEO. I don't care. I own the
company. Now. This is my IP. But if you have a covenant not to
sue, anybody who's buying the company will likely be subject
to the covenant not to sue because it's associated with the
company, not the individual. That's another thing is when you
build agreements, don't lock them to just individuals lock
them to companies. Right. And the best situation is lock the
companies and the individuals. Now all of a sudden, you're
like, kitchen, I do whatever I want. You can't do jack or jill.
Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. Cool. Thank you so
much. You're so welcome. You're so welcome. All right, let me go
to Srida. How are you? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm good.
I'm good. What can I do for you? I just had a question. Um,
absolutely. So I noticed that in our conversations, the terms,
like PLR, creative commons, and public domain hasn't come up. So
I'm just wondering how, you know, those terms fit into this,
this universe of IP and, you know, what we should look out
for.
One second.
All right, because there's, why don't you elaborate? You
mentioned PLR, and there's a number of different versions of
PLR. So what do you mean by PLR?
So PLR is like, like private label rights. Yeah. You know, so
and there are all these websites that sell these PLR products,
they're like PLR courses, you know, worksheets, printables,
books, even, and, and people sell these in like mass, you
know, some of these packages are like 1000s and 1000s of, you
know, books and documents. So I'm just wondering, because
there are some, you know, business coaches who encourage
people to create membership sites, you know, with PLR, you
take the PLR, and then you just, you know, put it into your
membership site. And
yeah, and that's where you get to modify stuff. Yeah, I know
what you're referring to. So the there's different. Okay, so
there's, I don't want to confuse people. I know, you're really
savvy. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna answer your question and try not
to confuse people that don't understand what you're talking
about. Because there's, there's PLR, which is where you have,
like, there's, there's kind of like a commodity there, you give
people the rights to modify things, right. But if they
modify things, there are certain rights that are associated with
the modified things, right. But then there's things called open
source, open source is where somebody has something that's
available, you can utilize it at any time. If you add something
to it, there's different degrees of open source. I'm sorry, if I
confuse somebody, but she asked, so I'm gonna jump in. Right,
that's for other people, other people, you know, you can follow
if you can. So open sources, there's the degrees of open
source, right. So there's open source code, which falls under
copyright law, right. So now you can grab this code anytime you
want. But there's, there's this body of law that says, if the
open source touches something that is private, what's private
becomes open source. So now anybody can utilize what you
added the open source to, but there's different levels of open
source. So there's like the one where if it touches, if it
touches your code, it all belongs to the public. And then
there's a different one that doesn't work that way. So with
regard to what you're talking about, in those kinds of
situations, you've got like multiple works in one group,
people can grab some of this stuff, modify it, right. But
then there's usually some kind of terms and conditions as to
what happens with the modified work. Because technically,
technically, if you've got, like, let's say like paintings,
right? Or let's say there's a lot of different paintings, and
you say, well, you can come in here, you can grab whatever
material you want, you can modify it, if you so like,
there's usually some kind of terms and conditions associated
with this says what, what happens to the legal rights and
so on.
associated with that.
Cause any modification is considered a derivative, right?
Yeah.
And the only person who has the right
under derivatives is the copyright holder.
So what you can have on some of those situations
is you can have a situation where somebody says,
I'm gonna let anybody utilize this.
I'm not gonna sue you if you utilize it.
But if you modify it,
you now have to make that readily available to other people
or they could have it so that if you modify it,
you give a license back to the original artist
or they can do it.
They can do a lots of different things in those groups.
So if you have a lot of material,
let's say you have a lot of poems, a lot of books,
a lot of artwork, whatever it is,
you can create a group like that
and say, this is, this is under Sridhar.
This is our, this is the label for this, right?
You would come up with a different trademark
so you can own it yourself and you would have that there.
And then other people would come in, they can modify it,
they can do whatever they want, right?
But the problem is any new work,
you need to define what happens with the new works.
Does that make sense?
So you need to define,
even though people can grab it and modify it,
you have to say anybody who grabs stuff
from my private label, group,
anybody who falls into this category,
this is what happens to all derivative works.
You have to say it.
Okay.
Because it's not like, it's not like everybody will know.
You have to define your own rights.
Okay.
So then if I'm using a PLR site,
then I just have to look into the terms.
I would look into the terms and conditions.
Yeah, I would look into terms and conditions
because in general, in general,
they have all this information
and people can grab some of this stuff
and even market it as their own stuff.
But the issue is that if you modify something
that essentially can be considered a derivative work.
So I would look at the terms and conditions
for the private label rights.
And just kind of see, like, here's,
I just looked at something real quick here.
Because I was going to also ask
about this creative commons designation
and public domain and just how does that?
I don't, creative commons, I'm not familiar with.
I'd have to look that one up.
That one I'm not familiar with,
but public domain stuff,
I can tell you what groups have been doing.
Hey, Ray, is Ray still here?
Of course I am.
Hey, can you do me a favor?
Can you just remind me tonight?
What was the term you used, Sridhar?
Creative commons, Peter.
Creative commons.
Can you just ping me on that?
I want to look it up real quick.
Yeah.
That's not one of my clients that I've used much.
I mean, I've seen them use open source,
I've seen them use public domain,
I've seen them use,
there's another one that uses the word generic.
There's a lot of different groups.
There's just so many new things
that are coming up, quite frankly.
I mean, some of you may not know this.
Google owns like thousands upon thousands
upon thousands of patents,
and Microsoft owns thousands and thousands upon patents,
and they decided to start making them
just publicly available for everybody, right?
They just said, look,
I'm gonna let you use this whole line of technology, right?
So they created this whole open source group,
and they make all their patents available.
But they said, look, if you modify the technology,
you have to license back certain rights.
So what I would say to you, Sridhar,
is any of these groups that you're looking at,
and there's a lot of them,
it's kind of like the flavor of the month,
there's a lot of different types, right?
Make sure you look at the terms and conditions,
and ask, look for the terms and conditions
that speak towards quote unquote derivative works,
because those are the modifications.
A lot of the terms and conditions are really easy to see
where they say, you can just use this.
Just using it is very different from modifying it, right?
So just make sure you just double check that,
because I would hate for people to get in trouble on that.
But I'll look up that other term, because now I'm curious.
I want to see what that one is.
So I'll take a look at it, okay?
Okay, Sally.
Yeah, okay, so that touches on one of my questions,
like the use of images from like pixabay.com or Unsplash,
where it says free for commercial use,
no advertising required.
If you're using that, say like in a book cover,
or somewhere else in a book,
and so obviously you're modifying it,
because you're doing lots of stuff to it.
What, so we still have to look further
into terms and conditions or.
I would, I would.
Yeah, and this is kind of the condition
that I think of when I'm in this area is I think of,
am I trying to obtain some kind of financial gain?
If there's a financial gain associated with it,
I'm thinking in the back of my mind,
there's something in the terms and conditions
that's gonna hit that.
Cause that's what the original cut,
the original copyright owner cares about the most.
They wanna make sure that you're not getting a cut
of the financial reward that they should be getting.
So if you have a situation where they say,
hey, you can use this image for your presentations.
You can use it for your website.
You can use it for a letter to your wife
or to your husband or whatever.
You do what all you want, but you can't make it.
You can't have a situation where you are commercially,
you're being financially rewarded for utilization
of our work as a direct result of use of the work.
So if it's on the front of your book,
that's a commercial application utilizing the actual image.
It's in the marketplace.
And so they're going to look and say,
likely gonna say, well, that's a business application.
There's a direct financial reward associated with that.
I would not be surprised if there's some terms
and conditions in there that say notice,
something like that, unless you paid a higher royalty.
Yeah, because it says right on the front
where you can download it for free.
It says, you know, free for commercial use.
So, you know, I'll still look into that because-
Look at it, Sally.
I'm telling you, cause I know a lot of those companies
like Shutterstock and like all the others,
like you'll pay a certain amount per month, which is great.
And they're okay with you using it even for a year.
But if you're gonna make some kind of direct financial gain
based on their image, they get upset.
So I would just read the terms and conditions.
I would look at it and make sure,
always for everybody here, everybody here,
if you're using a third party site
where you are doing a monthly subscription,
just understand this.
Oh my gosh, she's so cute, Sylvia.
She's tired, she's so cute.
Anytime you have a monthly subscription,
those companies will often charge you a premium
to utilize their material in a certain way.
So just make sure, look at the terms and conditions
to be sure, right?
Cause I mean, Rae, you're familiar with a lot of those,
those sites that have images, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, so do you have any feedback on that
with regard from what you've seen?
Honestly, even the exact same,
cause they do, they'll have like that,
that a little, like right where you can download,
it'll say, oh, you can have these limitations,
but I've gone in and looked at their terms
and they're way more extensive on the limitations.
You can do, well, you can only distribute
to this many places or in this different types of ways.
And so like you're saying,
if you're making a certain amount of money
or you have a certain amount of downloads for that image,
like after a certain number,
you have to increase the amount of royalties you'll pay them.
Like there's so many different terms,
but it's different for every single one of these sites.
Yeah, and that makes sense what Rae's talking about.
So what I've seen sometimes,
just so all of you know, Sally,
like I've seen like the step royalties.
So like you pay your normal membership
and these are the kind of rights you get for that.
If you pay this membership, which is a lot higher,
now you can do this kind of stuff with it.
So just read your terms and conditions.
Because like Pixabay, it's not, well, I don't know.
I suppose maybe you can pay something,
but I think most people I know it's just free.
You can download the stuff and it says here,
if you wanna buy the creator a cup of coffee or something,
you can donate.
Yeah, some of them have it
to where you can actually give just credit to them
because they're trying to build their portfolio
and they're online.
Right, right.
And yeah, they want credit as well.
So you have to make sure
that you're actually giving that to them.
And that's something for all of you to consider too.
If you're trying to build a following,
when you're starting to try to build a following,
you can actually create something that has very high value.
And you think to yourself,
oh man, this thing is worth exponentially more, way more,
but you're trying to build a following.
So for that reason, you may provide something for free
and have an option to pay.
And then as you grow, you start to change it
and you tweak it and you modify it, right?
I mean, if you look at-
There's a system called time for print in the industry.
So basically-
Basically, you can even locate local artists
that are up and coming that need a portfolio as well.
They'll do a trade with you with an agreement
where they get to use the work that they make for you
in their portfolio, but you also get rights to the pictures.
Yeah.
So it's kind of like the same thing
with what Ethan's explaining.
That's fantastic.
All right, I'm just gonna take one more question
and then we're gonna close
because it's like 9.40 right now.
So I just like helping you guys.
So Terry, let me take your question.
I know I spoke to Coach Claudia yesterday,
so I'll talk, or today, so I'll talk with her again tomorrow.
Terry, go ahead.
Hey, yeah, I was in here last night.
Is there a recording from yesterday?
Oh, that's a great question.
Okay, so I've got some interesting news.
So apparently Zoom in the recording,
they corrupted the video.
So we don't actually have the recording of yesterday,
but here's what I do have for you
is that, thank you for raising that, Terry.
So if any of you had a specific question
that we kind of talked about yesterday
and you wanna get it on the recording,
just raise it again tomorrow, all right?
Just kind of raise whatever your issue is,
and I'm gonna have a session in the beginning
where I just kind of make sure it's all recorded again.
I don't know what happened with Zoom.
It's kind of interesting
because, Rae, we've done this for like a year.
So many, it's never happened before.
Yeah, it's like there's been one other time
that we had an issue, but in any case,
what we'll do is we'll just,
at the beginning of our next session,
if you have a copyright question in particular,
just raise it and we'll have the recording again, all right?
So-
Your friend did say earlier on our call before the meeting
that there's issues happening right now
with Zoom and technology glitches that are going on.
Yeah, so I don't know how much you guys know
what's been going on in the world right now,
but there's some serious attacks that have been happening
through the internet, through Zoom,
through Google, through others.
They're attributing it to China.
There's all sorts.
I don't know how much you guys know about this,
but there's been like nonstop attacks that have been going on
and so it is what it is.
I'm not worried about stuff like that.
So in any case, I'll be downloading the recordings tonight.
I prayed over everything so we wouldn't have any issues.
So I'm trusting that there won't be any issues.
And besides, if you guys take the offer,
you can have access to me for a year anyway.
So you can ask questions later, so don't worry about it.
I threw in the videos just to help you guys out, so.
All right, and with that, I am going to end
so I can eat something and then get some work done.
Hopefully you guys jump in.
If you have any questions on the package,
we'll cover that real quickly in the beginning tomorrow.
I'm happy to answer any questions on that.
But besides that, Ray, I definitely need to come up
with a checklist of things for people that take the offer.
They know exactly what they need.
I will be gugging you for it.
Yeah, yes, we'll do that.
All right, oh, that's awesome, Steven.
Glad you're in there, buddy.
Glad you're in there.
I think I saw Tim in there too, and Sridhar.
You guys are awesome.
That's awesome.
Well, you're all awesome.
Bless you all.
Although Sylvia's got an incredibly precious package
just falling asleep.
It's so cute to see her snuggling over there.
That's awesome.
Maybe I'll snuggle mine.
All right, well, bless you guys.
Have a good night.
I am going to jump off.
I think Larissa left already, right?
Yeah.
Okay, good, good.
Yeah, because I knew she was in the middle of something.
So I'm going to jump off.
I don't think we need to close off on anything else
as far as I know.
So I'm just going to jump off,
and I think we're all just shut off from here.
Okay, right?
Okay.
All right, bless you guys.
Have a wonderful evening.
Tomorrow is day five.
We're going to cover a little bit of repetitious stuff,
show you some implementation,
what you actually already know,
and we're going to hit patents as well, okay?
And don't forget, you have the bonus day on Monday.
I'm just throwing in for you guys to help you out, okay?
All right, take care, everyone.
Bye-bye.