We're going to talk about how to govern creation, specifically in relationships, because we've
talked so much about business earlier, and about how to govern creation, and we'll use
a lot of examples through relationships, about how to do this as in the leadership of being
a king.
The leadership of our position as a spirit who is one with Christ, and remember, as that,
he is in a position of power and authority, meaning that we're in that position of power
and authority, and then we have leadership to then give, and kingship and dominion to
then be able to offer the earth for the purpose of freeing it.
Not to subject it to the evil aspects of our will, but to subject it to a good and
righteous will, which does everything in servitude, as a servant leader, for the benefit of those
underneath them.
That's what we will be talking about.
We'll also be touching on some relationship aspects, I hope, and I'm going to use some
examples related, especially to people who come to you, could be a friend or a spouse
that feels hurt, wounded, and broken, how to talk to someone like that, and then also,
we might be touching on children as well.
First of all, could we pull up, David, Romans 8?
Romans 8 talks about, is where we hear the actual destiny that we have here on earth.
Because remember, the purpose for which we were created is for relationship with God,
but our destiny here on earth is to make that thing visible, and the way that we make that
visible is, currently, creation is subjected to frustration.
Everything's out of alignment.
Our body and soul are out of alignment, the rest of creation, because we're not presenting
ourselves as sons of God, it is out of alignment, and everything's subjected to frustration.
When we come in and we manifest who it is that we and God together are in spirit, and
we express that into the earth, what we bring with us is life.
What we bring with us is freedom.
We have it to be able to give to creation, and to be able to release that, including
other people's souls, so children, they can choose to respond to that, but in order for
them to respond, we have to give them something to respond to.
So, David, are we able to pull up Romans 8?
I can't see you, David.
Is David back there?
Oh, he's not back there.
Oh, well, no wonder.
Okay, well, then, never mind.
I hope we're streaming live.
I have no idea.
Okay, well, let me just pull it up here.
Let's see here.
Okay, so starting in verse 1, so this is where it outlines very, very clearly.
Oh, yeah, okay, so we are live.
Good.
Thank you.
So this is where it outlines very clearly our destiny here on earth, how we are called
to manifest who it is that we are, and how that releases creation from frustration, and
there is a special mystery in here about the point of the gospel, and the reason that we
were saved is in this passage.
So, therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because
Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life, has set you free from the law of sin
and death.
We are now free.
So we have chiches in that place.
We have freedom that we are now called to then, just like Christ gave us freedom, we
are now called to give that freedom to creation.
We're doing the same thing that we're watching our Father doing.
Our Father is giving it to us.
We are then looking like our Father and giving it to creation now that we have it to be able
to give.
And then we're going to skip down a bit.
Okay.
So now we're going to look at.
Verse 18, I consider that our present sufferings
are not worth comparing with the glory
that will be revealed in us.
For the creation waits in eager expectation
for the children of God to be revealed.
I'm reading the NIV version.
For the creation was subjected to frustration,
not by its own choice, but by the will of the one
who subjected it, which is God,
in hope that the creation itself will be liberated
from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom
and glory of who?
Of the children of God.
They will be brought into the freedom and glory of us.
Why does God say us and not say God?
Because as his children, we're in him.
And we're in him, we are born of his DNA.
The glory that we have is not ours apart from God,
the glory that we have is God's glory.
So this is God himself who's saying this in scripture,
but this is why he's saying it.
The freedom and glory of the children of God,
that we are giving them our freedom and glory,
and meaning that in order to give it,
that must mean we have it.
We have it because we were given it.
So we know that the whole creation has been groaning
as in the pains of childbirth,
right up to the present time.
Not only so, but we ourselves
who have the first fruits of the spirit.
This is very important.
This is where he points out that even we are,
that even our souls and our bodies are flesh
in their aspects of creation.
It says not only so, but we ourselves
who have the first fruits of the spirit grown inwardly
as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship,
the redemption of our bodies.
The redemption of our bodies.
Out of our souls, fascinatingly,
the redemption of our bodies.
In other words, going down to the very lowest strata
of ourselves that's connected to creation.
For in this hope, we were saved.
We were saved for the hope of the redemption of your body.
Your body is not bad and has to die
in order to be good again.
You were saved for the redemption of that body.
It is meant to be transformed and transfigured
like Jesus was when he received his spiritual body.
But you understand that a spiritual body
still had the same markings
because it was his body transfigured,
having been overcome.
All of the flesh, all of the corruption was gone.
And now every aspect of the body that God had given him
was actually eternal.
It was spiritual.
He was our example first.
And that's what it is that he's telling us
that we have to expect.
For in this hope, verse 24,
if y'all wanna read it for yourselves
when you get home.
Romans 8, 24.
For in this hope, the hope that it just talked about,
which is the hope of our adoption to sonship,
the redemption of our bodies.
For this hope, we were saved.
So there is a very, very strong focus
in this whole passage on the fact
that creation is groaning in anticipation
of the manifestation of the sons of God,
including our own souls and our own bodies
because everything has freedom to gain from that.
So that's our destiny.
That's what it is that we're doing.
Trying to make sure this doesn't knock around.
Maybe it's hitting something.
One more thing that I think that I wanted to point out.
Yes, our adoption to sonship.
I just wanna point this out.
This is my own personal idea.
Take it as a grain of salt.
Take it with a grain of salt
about the whole idea of adoption
because it can get very confusing.
Well, wait a minute.
If I was born of God and I was born of his DNA,
why do I have to be adopted?
I'm of his blood.
Well, so there's two kind of aspects going on here.
For one, the fact that God had to buy us back from Satan
with his blood.
And so there's that aspect of adoption.
But here's another way to also think about it.
I am not declaring that this is a spiritual principle.
I have honestly never run this by a theologian.
I have no idea.
So I'm telling you that this is what I think
might also be an added layer to what is being talked about.
Our spirit, the seed of our identity came out of God
just like the rib of Adam came out in Bible.
which Eve was created.
It's of its very essence, of its very DNA.
Our spirit is the same.
Our spirit in that aspect is uncreated.
It is anything that bears the bloodline of its father
is its father's true son, not adopted son.
We are, and therefore, and anyway, and excuse me.
However, the whole adoption aspect,
a way that I also personally view it,
take it with a grain of salt,
it's an idea that I'm toying around with with the Lord,
is the aspect of our soul and our body,
which is born in creation, subjected to frustration.
And as we overcome it, because it being one with our spirit,
it also is part of that sonship,
but the fact that it was born subjected to frustration
and was not born of spirit,
it coming into full alignment and agreement
with who it is, the seed of its identity, is in spirit.
That overcoming and that coming into full alignment
and into agreement is its adoption.
That's my own personal belief.
Take it with a grain of salt.
But I think that that's why God says
that he found us in him, chose us,
take us, and took us out of him.
So we're of his bloodline, we're of his DNA,
bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh,
but he keeps talking about adoption.
There's the aspect of the fact
that we did have to be bought back from Satan.
And then, so in other words,
there was a part in which we were separated
and we were not from him.
And so in buying us back, he chose to adopt us.
But he didn't buy back our spirits.
He bought back the aspect that Satan could actually claim.
And anyway, so Satan cannot claim that which is God
and of God himself, but it can claim something
that is underneath, which would be an aspect of creation.
So just an idea.
Take it, leave it, throw it in the trash,
whatever you want to do.
Now, talk, I'm trying to think, okay.
Wondering if now's a good time to mention this or not.
No, I'm gonna mention that tomorrow.
So okay, that'll be good.
So we'll get right into leadership then.
So the purpose of leadership is to,
and this goes, if you are, you can be a leader,
a spiritual leader in any situation.
You could be a spiritual leader of your business.
You can be a leader of your clients.
You can be an employer.
You can be a parent.
You can be a leader in a variety of ways.
You can even be a spiritual leader
in a particular situation with a peer,
with a friend, or even with a parent.
Not just as a parent, but to your parents.
And here's why.
The type of, that leadership can take on various forms.
And specifically tonight,
we're gonna be talking about spiritual leadership.
Leadership from a place of operating out of the spirit.
And in the spirit, regardless of age,
we're all one with Christ.
So Lori, who's back there, who's just months old,
he is not, just because he is little
does not mean that in spirit he's not our peer.
He's our peer.
And we can always honor people,
regardless of how old or young they are,
and that needs to come across in our treatment of them.
Because they carry a spirit that as it manifests,
and this is what I was talking about earlier,
this I will be touching on again right now,
is they are, as they express an aspect of their spirit,
they and the Lord are expressing in their relationship,
and as it manifests into creation,
something that they then,
as they manifest themselves into creation
and overcome creation from frustration,
they're overcoming.
And they're overcoming that so that you might live.
It's very important that we realize
and honor that in everyone we meet.
And as opposed to thinking that children
are less than or lower.
Or that whether people can or cannot interact with us
and communicate with us in a particular way,
changes their power as a member of the body of Christ.
Christ, and what they have also, just like you, have been called to overcome.
We owe them a lot.
We owe them our lives, because just like we died that they might live, they too were put
on earth to die that we might live, called to honor everyone, to see them all from that
place.
So anyway, because we're all one in Christ, leadership is not related to hierarchy.
Who's older, who's younger, you know, it's none of that, you know, well, who's the employer,
who's the employee.
When it comes to spiritual interaction, you can give spiritual leadership and hold a safe
place in a safe environment for anyone, anyone who at that time needs it.
And so that's what a leader does, whether we're talking like specifically, strictly
in business, or you're talking about it from a spiritual perspective of how to interact
in business.
A leader is someone who is called to provide a safe environment for those underneath their
care.
A leader is not someone who gets the, who gets to dictate all the rules, and is the
one who holds the scepter of power.
A leader has to sacrifice himself in order to ensure that everyone else has what they
need in order to be successful, healthy, and thriving according to who it is that God has
declared them to be.
The leader does not get to determine that, decide that, and micromanage.
So anyway, a lot of my words, so many things I could say about that, but the Lord taught
me this actually, taught me this spiritual principle when I was actually in business.
So he taught me this in business, and then I began to realize, oh, wait a minute, this
is affecting people's relationships.
This is affecting more than just their professional performance, and so there's actually a spiritual
principle here.
This isn't a business principle.
It's a spiritual principle about who it is that we are in Christ, and therefore we interact
with our spouses that way, and our children that way, and our parents that way, or our
friends that way when they're broken and are coming to us, and they're frustrated or they're
hurt.
We provide them with a safe environment to have whatever it is that they need that they
might feel safe enough to finally risk, take the courage, and make the decisions that they
need to in order to rise up to who it is that God has said that they are.
But if we don't provide them a safe environment, why on earth do we think that they're going
to have the courage to make those hard decisions and those hard choices to get out of whatever
situation is making them feel broken?
It could be depression, it could be a colleague that's coming to you angry and mad, and they're
hurt, and they're embarrassed, or they're insecure, or they're afraid, or whatever.
You spiritually move in as the son of God and provide spiritual leadership for them
in that place by making it safe for them.
You die that they might live because they might verbally abuse you because they're in
a place of pain and hurt.
You provide them a safe place in accepting and letting them know that they're fully safe
in it and accepted.
It lets them realize, okay, there's nothing that lets them choose to respond to the fact
that, oh, there's no reason for me to be afraid.
I can actually shift myself out of the position that I just put myself in, and then I can
shift back into rest, or in agreement with who it is that God said that I am, or just
the way a secular person would see it is just flat out just calm down.
Just realize that there's nothing to be afraid of, and their fear goes away because you've
given them access to a son of God, and so they as an aspect of creation are created
to know to respond to a son of God.
Okay.
When a leader, again, whether it's a parent with your children or it's in a business situation
or whatever, a leader provides a safe place for people to, provides an environment where
people feel, including children, feel safe to make mistakes.
That, when I was in work situations, when everything was riding on somebody else's performance,
my job was not to micromanage the outcome and the result.
I had put them in charge of helping me execute the result according to the fact that God
had given them particular abilities, and they had particular knowledge that I didn't have or whatever.
But speaking in a spiritual sense, God had given them particular, God had given them
particular abilities in order to execute a particular result.
I had not been placed in the role of creating the result.
I had been placed in the role of creating an environment for the person to have whatever
it is that they need in order for them to create the results.
I don't get to micromanage and dictate to them how it is that they need to do it.
So a leader, including, similarly, and we're not going to get too into this because then
it gets very confusing, but similarly with children, that a leader, a parent, is to provide
a safe place, in other words an environment where a child feels safe to make mistakes.
Because your child was not born bad.
Your child was born good.
And your child will naturally, contrary to what we've been taught, your child will naturally,
of his nature, of the spirit, not of the soul, but of the spirit, always make the right decision.
Your child is very, very good.
But when it believes a lie, believes that it's abandoned and alone, Mommy doesn't come
pick me up, Daddy didn't come when I called, Daddy won't pay attention to me, da-da-da-da-da,
well then they get this lie that I am unsafe and they start acting out.
They start coping by, and we all do this, we do this as adults, and a lot of what it
is that we're dealing with adults, we actually developed these, scientists say that we developed
these lies and these beliefs before we were three years old.
Some people believe it can go as high as seven, but they said that the tightest, that the
most condensed time frame that we at least incorporate the majority of the lies that
we carry with us throughout the rest of our lives, unless we choose to overcome them in
the blood of Christ, is developed between birth and three years old.
We get these lies and we think I'm abandoned and alone, so that's where they start acting
out.
They don't start acting out because they're bad.
They're acting out because they're afraid.
We do the same thing, adults act out because we're afraid.
We don't treat each other kindly, we don't make wise decisions, we do whatever based
off of lies that we have now, that we believed growing up, that we gathered from our environment,
and as we became more aware of who it is that God is, we then projected all of those things
onto him.
And so God, this innocent party, now has to be accused of being of, as who we're holding
responsible and accountable for our mother wound, or our father wound, or whatever.
I don't feel liked, loved, or it could expect to be comforted that that mother wound is
projected onto God, and I have that accusation against him.
So all of the decisions that I make are based off of the fact I don't believe that I'm safe,
I don't believe that I'm going to be accepted, loved, liked, that I can expect to be comforted.
So I'm going to respond to the Lord in that way, and that's going to determine my decisions.
Same thing with the father wound.
If I don't believe that I can expect to be provided for, protected, or identified, in
other words, I believe I've abandoned and alone, and it is all up to me, then I'm going
to act like it, and that's where I get all of these trauma coping mechanisms, or start
looking for some other method of security, like the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
So when someone is coming to you, whether it be a child who's 10, whether it be a friend
of yours, whether it be your boss, whoever it is, someone is coming to you, and they
think that they're presenting themselves according to who it is that they believe that they are,
which is in the soul or the body, whatever it is, wherever it is that they believe is
the seat of their identity, according to the level of lies they believed about God.
That brings them further and further down.
So whoever it is that they think that they are, whatever level that they think that they're
at, they're presenting that person to you, and they're mad, or they're going through
depression, or they have very low self-esteem, or whatever, and we want so badly for them
to know the love of the Lord, and we would, don't you know, don't you know that the things
that you're saying actually aren't true?
Well, I don't know about y'all, those talks have never helped me.
They've never comforted me.
It's noise.
I knew that I was expected.
I thought I should be comforted by it, and I thought that I was...
condemned that God was expecting that to be enough,
but I wasn't allowing it to be enough.
So it was just, oh my word,
it's just multi-level condemnation.
But anyway, so when someone comes
and presents themselves like that,
we provide a say instead, the most effective way,
because we're wanting to try to help them, right?
So just giving them knowledge,
just telling them what it is that they should know,
and that they should believe.
Don't we see that we're actually affirming to them
their exact fear?
We're creating distance and saying,
no, that's not true about yourself.
You should do this different.
You should believe different.
Don't you know?
There's condemnation in that.
You should know, and you're not.
It's condemnation.
All of this is received by a broken person
as an affirmation that, sure enough, it's all true.
So don't you know, whatever,
that's creating distance and separation,
but what do we know about when we want to help someone?
When you want to help someone, what is the cost?
You have to die.
You can't have separation that's not going to help them.
So what is it that we're actually giving in order to,
and sacrificing, and how are we dying as a leader,
as a servant leader,
in order to help somebody who's broken,
help somebody that is believing a lie,
helping somebody who's going through a hard time,
someone who doesn't believe the truth about themselves?
How do we, what is it that we,
now we know what not to do,
what do we actually do?
I'm trying to think if I should draw this on the board,
and I'm not going to,
so I think it's just easier if I do it like this.
I will use, I'll start out by giving,
using an example of one situation out of numerous ones,
thousands that I have been in where I have done this.
By the way, God taught me to start doing this 14 years ago.
I have done this with children,
with men and women in both personal
and professional environments,
and it all works.
It doesn't matter.
It's amazing how powerful it is,
because all they need in order to know
who it is that they are,
they are identified in relationship to God.
So what do you do?
You present them with God.
God's in you, you're a son of God,
you present them with God,
and then they can choose to acknowledge,
oh, I'm,
they can choose to acknowledge who it is that they are,
and choose to rise up to that position.
So I had a friend come to me several months ago,
and there were some things going on,
and they just said,
he said, oh, Ashley,
because I said, oh, how you doing?
He said, I am really, really struggling,
and people are saying these horrible things about me,
and this is how it is,
and it's just not right,
because that isn't true about me,
and those people shouldn't talk like that about me,
and people should do things about this.
People should stand up against this injustice,
and against this unrighteousness,
and da, da, da, da, da.
So what I do in that moment,
is the best way to help someone,
is someone is coming to them,
okay, again, thinking like spirit, soul, and body,
someone's coming to us,
like say, you know,
believing that their identity is in their soul,
they're abandoned and alone,
they're being, they're under threat,
because someone's said something, whatever it is,
they think this is who they are,
it's not, this is who they are,
but they're presenting this person to you.
So, the important thing,
is to not ever acknowledge this person.
What, by that, I mean,
don't ever acknowledge this as their identity,
that is who they're presenting themselves to you as,
do not acknowledge it.
Don't acknowledge, it's not gonna help anyone,
it's not gonna help anyone,
it's not gonna help them,
because whatever you look at,
and whatever it is,
whatever you look at,
whatever you acknowledge,
and whatever, whatever you focus on,
you feed.
So, if you're trying to escape something,
you don't, you don't do it by fighting the,
fighting the negative.
It's a lot harder to do that,
because, because whatever it is you focus on, you feed,
so therefore, you are actually feeding the enemy
you're trying to escape from,
you're strengthening the enemy
that you're trying to escape from.
So, we're strengthening their enemy,
by focusing on the negative of their experience.
There's nothing wrong with being,
with speaking in sympathy.
I just do it on very rare occasions,
because sympathy, the way that most of us know how
to sympathize is to acknowledge whatever it is
that the person is saying about themselves, meaning like,
not saying that it's true, but like, say, for instance,
my friend who was saying, you know, well, I feel this way,
and they shouldn't be saying these things,
and it's not right, you know, I don't deserve that.
Actually, why do people do that, and da-da-da-da-da.
I didn't talk to, what they wanted me to do was
to acknowledge with them that what was going on was wrong.
Because they thought that by the acknowledgment that what it is
that they were feeling about themselves is true would make
them feel better.
They don't know that by me acknowledging the lie
that they're believing about themselves is I'm giving
it power.
It's very important to try to not acknowledge the lie
that somebody else is declaring.
Now, you're not denying the fact that they believe it.
You're not denying reality.
We're not ignoring it as if, oh, well, that just doesn't exist.
That's all in your head.
No, no, no.
We're just not, we're just not giving it any kind of,
any kind of honor and credence.
It's like, whatever, you know, who cares.
So, instead, when a person is presenting themselves
in their brokenness, the, what it is that they're,
the reason that they're there is they wanted something else.
They, they're like, well, I don't feel safe.
They don't know this.
You know, you're, but this is subconsciously what's going on.
They don't feel safe.
They don't feel loved.
They don't feel liked.
They, they, they feel very insecure.
They're believing some lie about themselves.
So, God talks about this.
Is it in James?
I think it's in James, maybe James 5.
He talks about how to handle these kinds of situations
where someone comes to you like this and they need something.
So, he, he says in that, and let me,
let me quote the scripture really quick.
He says, you know, if someone comes to you and they are hungry
and cold, don't send them off saying, oh, you know,
may, may you be warm and may God, may God, may God warm you
and may he, may he feed you and may you be comforted and,
and all that.
I send you off with, you know, good, good and warm intentions.
Jesus said, don't do that.
Give them a coat.
If they come to you in need, meet the need.
Give them a coat.
Give them food.
So, it's the same thing in this, it's the same principle.
Someone's coming to you in need.
They don't feel loved.
They don't feel liked.
They don't feel secure.
That's not the words they're using.
They're saying, this isn't right what someone said to me.
They're feeling threatened because they feel that it,
they feel that it's true.
They feel that, I'm not loved.
I'm not liked.
You know, I can't, I can't expect to be comforted.
I'm not protected.
I'm not provided for.
Whatever lie it is, they're believing.
So, God said, if someone comes to you in lack,
you give them what they lack.
So, if someone is coming to you and the reason
that they're operating the way that they are,
you can tell in the spirit, okay,
they are actually not feeling loved.
They're not feeling secure.
They're not feeling liked.
So, you don't tell them to feel secure.
You don't tell them that, no, no, no, God loves you.
And don't you know, because again, truth and knowledge of good
and evil is creating distance.
No, no, no, don't you know that?
Because it doesn't require anything of me.
And God says, no, if you want to help someone, you know,
it requires something of you.
Don't send someone off and say, may God bless you
and may you receive what you need.
He says, no, give it to them.
So, if they're not feeling loved, don't tell them
that they're loved and try to convince them and show them
in scripture where it proves that they're loved.
Love them.
Don't tell them that you love them.
You, you get in your position in Christ.
Remember, shift into your identity in Christ.
And in your identity in Christ, being one with, with your,
your brother or sister in spirit, you know, brother,
brother and sister in Christ, in spirit, you speak to that spirit
and you see them in, at the way that God sees them,
which is in complete love.
You have the love, the security, the, the protection,
the provision because you provide that for creation.
And it's a soul, it's an aspect of God's love.
It's a soul, it's an aspect of creation that's talking to you.
You have authority to give it.
You have it, you are the supply because you're in Christ
who is the supply, you have it to give, so give it.
When we want to help someone else,
it requires something of us.
Not giving them time in order to let them cry
and then tell them how they, how they should be able
to convince themselves from scripture or from spending time
with God that they are loved so that hopefully they come
to believe it because it's putting, it proves to them,
I'm abandoned and alone to do it for all my, but by myself.
God says, no, no, no.
You want something for someone else, you have to give it.
You have to love them.
So that's what I did with my friend.
He was just really, really upset.
And so instead of, I never acknowledged the fact
that what those people were doing
and what it is that they were saying was wrong.
I never acknowledged it.
I never acknowledged that he was right.
I never acknowledged, you know what?
You are absolutely right.
I want you to know you don't deserve that.
You absolutely do not, because God said, and da-da-da-da-da,
distance.
I'm not giving him love.
I'm telling him where he needs to go to get it.
No, God says, no, your love.
Give it to him.
So when our interactions with other people,
it requires something of us.
We have to actually, in the moment, love them.
Not act like we do and think, OK, well, if I loved them,
what would I do?
What are loving things to do that will not work?
Tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
it's got nothing but death in it.
It's cut off the life source.
You have to bring it out of your spirit,
because it's only spirit that has life,
and only spirit that can transform a person.
That's what you're giving them.
You are a life-giving spirit, not a death-giving soul.
You're a life-giving spirit.
That is what you're called to give.
So you love somebody in that moment.
And they might be one of those people,
at least in my personal experience,
that's very, very unlovable, very much.
They might be your verbal abuser.
And it's in the middle of the verbal abuse.
They are crying out in pain, because they're insecure.
And I do not have to receive what
it is that they are speaking.
They are declaring the fear that they're in.
And this is their coping mechanism.
So I don't tell them how they should do it different.
I don't tell them that I love them.
I actually love them.
And that transformed my friend.
I gave him the lack out of which he was verbally abusing me.
And he was lacking in love.
He was lacking in security.
He was lacking in affirmation.
And you wouldn't know it.
He seemed like the most confident person out
of everyone.
But he seemed very solid, very sure.
He always knew the right answer.
And he did.
And he was a very wise person.
So I acknowledged all of the godly aspects,
all the aspects of the Lord himself
that he had put into him, and that
enabled me to interact with him easier.
But the thing is that I knew that he was operating out
of a lie that he was believing about himself.
And I'm not subject to the fact that he
is subject to the fact of receiving trauma
because he's in pain.
I can be the leader.
I can be the parent.
I can be the king that my attacker needs by loving him,
by giving him the thing that has created the lack out
of which he is attacking, abusing me, and making life
very, very, very hard.
And so that is how you transform creation.
I saw, and you heard that story that I told you,
an absolute miracle.
If I had more time to tell you the details of what
we went through, it was amazing.
And how they saw me treat him changed the whole team.
He went from not respecting me to respecting me extremely
highly to the point where, oh, I wish
I could describe what the types of things that they would do.
They were loyal more to me than they were to the project
and to their paychecks.
And these people earned less than I did.
And they were here on green cards.
And their staying in the United States depended on that job.
If they lost that job and moved to a different one,
they'd lose their green card.
So anyway, they saw how I did it.
how I treated him.
They came in, I presented them
with what a son of God looks like.
I didn't present them with my soul.
I mean, yeah, my soul was involved, yes,
but my point is that what creates
that kind of transformation
is not actually apart from Christ,
that what creates that transformation is God himself.
When creation comes in contact with God,
it can't help but be transformed.
People are transformed into sons of God
by coming into the presence of God.
So creation, as well, responds to a son of God
and completely transforms.
And that is how we release creation from frustration.
So when I was interacting with this particular friend,
I just loved on him.
Well, I say loved on him, meaning like I loved him,
and out of that love, I said things, and I did things.
I didn't think, and here's very, very important,
when you interact with someone,
it's important to not have an agenda
because the spirit needs to be able to effortlessly flow.
The soul doesn't know what to do, and it needs an agenda.
It needs knowledge, it needs to figure out,
okay, what do we need to accomplish,
and how do we get there?
The spirit, on the other hand, does not have an agenda.
The spirit just flows out of its being,
and that has power that breeds the supernatural
into the earth.
It is out of the spirit that you can tell the wind
and the waves to be calm, and they will,
not out of the soul.
So anyway, when I talked to my friends, I loved him.
I found love for him, and then found that I had love for him
in Christ because of who it is that I was,
and I just loved him, and so because I'm sitting here
loving him, and then what does someone who loves
someone else, what would they do, and what would they say?
And so I would say things, and I didn't think,
okay, how will he know that I'm loving him?
What words can I say that he will interpret as love
that will not work?
You just, you love, and now you interact with them.
You don't come with an agenda of how do I make them
feel different, how do I accomplish a result?
It's up to God to bring the results.
Tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
it's up to me to create a result.
We release the result up to the Lord in spirit
to create the result.
We just be.
It's effortless.
Everything is done from a place of rest.
Even the result isn't up to us, but we come in a place
of rest just loving, just being who it is that the Father is,
being who it is that Jesus is, being who it is
that we all are together, and God says,
out of that, Ashley, I will create the results
because it's, he said, Ashley, it's me they need
to come in contact with.
It's the spirit of God they need to come in contact with,
and that will heal them, and so after I got,
after my friend and I were visiting for a while
and whatever, he starts to feel better and better
and better, and he said, you know, Ashley,
he said, this is why I call you.
He said, my other friend, he didn't know what I was doing.
I was just being, I was just talking,
but he could feel the impartation of my spirit.
He was being transformed because I was actually
giving him supernatural love.
I was giving him supernatural safety.
I was giving him supernatural, you know,
whatever it is that he needed,
and his needs were being met, and so he was changing,
and I never had to acknowledge that what it is
that he was, that I never had to acknowledge
that, acknowledge what it was that he believed about,
that he was believing about the situation.
You know, I never had to acknowledge that I agreed
with him and that, yes, he deserves better.
I know that isn't true about you, and whatever you do,
you don't believe people who talk to you like that,
and don't receive those lies.
I didn't say any of that.
I just loved him, and so by the end of the conversation,
he said, Ashley, this is why I call you.
He said, I do not feel, he said in,
he said in insensitive subject matters like this,
I do not feel safe enough with my other friends,
but with you, I'm received, I'm accepted, and I'm safe.
He didn't use those words, but there were words
that he was, that was the way that the conversation went.
That's what it was that he was implying.
He was like, Ashley, I can share with you
my true vulnerability when I am broken and when I am hurt,
because, and this person, by the way,
is much older than I am, and they said,
I can come to you, and you, and the way that you,
the way that you receive me is different than everyone else.
I can actually, and he felt, he felt the healing,
because he was receiving what he'd felt.
lack of which had caused the problem of well this isn't fair and I don't deserve
this and why would they talk about me like this what's the problem the problem
is the love the problem is that is the insecurity and whatever so that's what I
gave him forget this this isn't the issue anyway this is the issue and I
don't tell him how to get it I give it to him I don't send him off from me when
he comes to me hungry and send him off hungry he comes to me not feeling loved
I give him love I don't tell him the fact that he's never in lack and God
always loves him anyway he thinks he's in lack so I give it to him so when we
talk to someone like that we don't talk to the broken person down here if you
want to help someone shift into your identity in Christ see their spirit and
only talk to that operate out of love you know operate out of who it is that
you are in Christ once you rise to that position you see everybody like that I
see all of y'all like that and I don't I don't know a lot of y'all or some of you
I know but I don't know well but I see all of y'all like that and the only way
I'm able to do that is because I see me like that I have to put on my own oxygen
mask first in order to be able to see you like that I can't see that you have
something in Christ and that you are something in Christ unless I've seen it
in myself first that means you cannot see certain things about your about your
children unless you've seen it and they received it as true about yourself first
from the Lord so if you think oh no I want more for my children and better for
my children than than myself and and I'm willing to sacrifice whatever it is that
I need to in order for them to have if we're doing that if we're doing that in
the spirit if we're doing that in the spirit and we're like God how do I help
them God's like I gave them you you are what they need you're out of alignment
with me so they're getting wrong information by looking at you you need
to change so now you're a life-giving spirit and you can give them what it is
that they feel that they're lacking they don't feel protected they don't feel
loved because you don't feel protected and you don't feel loved so they're there
a mirror yeah
I do well I just I mean it was so long ago oh okay here's some ideas okay to
talk to somebody like that one of the things that I do is I in shifting into
first seeing myself like that that's when I can finally see him like that and
so and then so I'm seeing the the godly things about I'm seeing the aspect about
him that looks like Christ and I and I start interacting with that one of the
things that I do is I I if I have I affirm I affirm them I affirm who it is
that they are okay how would I read this because it's just something that
you do it's just something you own when you're in the situation and it just it
just comes out I don't know this is what it means to love you just I'm just
loving me and these are the things that come out when I want to love but I would
say things I remember saying vaguely vaguely remember saying certain things
like well you know something that I have always admired about you is is you know
which is exactly how you're handling this situation you know how to how to do
this and you know how to do that you I've you see what it is that they're
doing in the situation sometimes and and speak to the fact that that is coming
from the from who it from the godly aspect of how they're coming of them who
it is that they are who it is that they are in spirit and you and you start and
you start affirming that not from a patronizing place where again it looks
like it's from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and like well no no
you're you're like you know you're like this and this is something that I've
always admired about you and it's like this it's knowledge out here no no it
has to come from within you you have to truly believe it you have to truly think
it you have to truly feel it not what would convince them mm-hmm no you have
to remember we always have to give of our something of ourselves it requires
vulnerability because love can only be love if it's vulnerable so you so I
thought about the things that I admired that I liked about him admired about him
or whatever some of them were aspects of maybe
I don't know, maybe things that I saw about how he handled certain situations that I saw
the character of God in a way that I had not had the courage to manifest myself yet.
And I affirmed him in that.
And I honored him in that.
I would do that with my colleague that I told you about.
I was always doing that.
I was always thinking, wow, you know, I really always admire how you do this.
I couldn't come up with an agenda of, oh, I think that this will help him feel loved.
I think he'll respond in this way, so I'll say this.
I had to make it true and then be vulnerable enough to speak what I felt.
That's what I'm giving.
And that's why it's a sacrifice of myself.
I cannot separate something that I see about someone, separate it from myself as just this
observable fact, because then I'm creating distance.
And there's no spirit life that can come into that person and that can transform them.
Because all I'm giving them is, because I'm separating words and affirmations from a life
source, it breeds nothing but death.
I'm just giving them death.
It doesn't help them at all.
If I want them to be changed, I have to give them life.
And life is within me.
Life is within my spirit.
And in order to give it, I have to be vulnerable, very vulnerable.
And where you're speaking things that you're like, well, is this going to, where in the
world's eyes, it would sound like this is going to make me sound weak.
I admire, you know, like if we've admired something about him or whatever.
So I think, okay, how are they handling this situation?
In other words, the good aspects of how they're handling the situation.
The fact that, you know what?
You always see justice so clearly.
That's amazing.
You know exactly, you know, what's always, what's always right and wrong.
And you can very clearly, you can very clearly discern that.
So even when you're being emotionally, I'm like talking to him, you know, even when you're
being emotionally, being emotionally, emotionally triggered, you can actually see the truth
and you're choosing it.
And that is, and I just, you know, that's extremely brave.
I haven't been in a situation like that and just talking to them like that or whatever.
I can't be thinking things that are true and trying to figure them out and then giving
him words.
I have to actually think that myself.
I believe that.
I have to believe something before I can give it and it can actually carry a life giving
spirit.
So it can't be something that I know or that I know that I should think.
It has to be something that is a part of myself.
It has to be something that I truly believe because in order to transform somebody's life,
you know, when someone needs something, I die that they might live.
It requires me to give something and an aspect of that giving that feels like a sacrifice
is the humility of vulnerability.
But it has the power to transform a life.
I have seen it countless times, men, women, children of all ages, personal and professional
environments works every time.
When you're dealing with a person of the opposite sex and you basically see them the way God
sees them and you express that in some way, then there's, isn't there a potential issue
with your falling in love with someone that you see them as God sees them because it's
awesome or they're wanting to hit on you or all these kind of gender issues?
That's what I'm concerned about from experience.
What do you do when it's a man and a woman in a situation like that to protect yourself,
protect him from all the appearance of evil and all those kind of things that are on the
lower level, but still he might see you as a celestial sweetie and fall in love with
you and he's always got a soul tied to him.
Oh, I see.
Oh, interesting.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay, good.
No, no, exactly.
I'm glad you're asking this question.
I'm taking it very, very seriously because you're right.
The, it is, so I handled this and I'm trying to figure out how to articulate it in English.
That you, in Spanish, I know Turkish, does that help?
Excuse me.
You, the, you do have to be...
Oh, how do you describe it?
There is, you operate and interact with someone
according to the level that your relationship has developed.
And you give them of yourself
according to how the relationship has developed.
You don't give more than that because it's unhealthy
because you have an unhealthy balance in the relationship.
So you may have it and you may believe it,
but your relationship isn't to the point
where you can talk in a particular way
and with a particular level of transparency
because the development of the relationship
and the communication has not matured
to the point to be able to handle it.
It doesn't mean that what it is that you have isn't valuable.
You can give it to them in the spirit
without speaking it out loud
where they can run it through a soulish filter
and misinterpret it.
But you can still give it to them in spirit
without speaking it out loud.
You can still send it and send that intention
without talking about it.
You would only talk according to the level
that the relationship has matured.
Whether it's romantic or it's just a person that you know,
if you don't know a person very, very well,
well, then you're not gonna come on them
and just like, oh my word,
I don't know, just kind of just be overbearing
and reveal too much of what it is that you're feeling
or what it is that you know in spirit
and what it is that you're sending forth to them
because they can't handle it yet.
Their relationship is not strong enough
to bear the weight of carrying that type of responsibility.
What's the word I'm looking for?
Carry the, I can't think of it,
but anyway, bear the weight of the responsibility
that's required by both parties
when something like that is said.
It's the best way I can think of to describe it.
Okay, I think that that is where we are going to stop
tonight and we did run a little late
because we started about 30 minutes late.
But we're just going to, we have one more,
let's see, I'm wondering.
Okay, so I, okay, so we have a song
and we'll go ahead and play that
and that's what we'll finish with.
It's already pulled up on YouTube.
And we'll just, we'll play that and then,
oh, before we do, let me let everybody know
what to expect for tomorrow.
So the, so for tomorrow,
I do have some consultation openings
between eight and 10 in the morning
because our sessions go from one to five
and the conference ends at five
and everybody can do whatever they want.
Some of you are spending the night like me
for another night and others of you
that are going ahead and going home.
But, which we are very sad and we want to miss you.
But before then, so in the morning,
I've got sessions and people can come over to,
come over to the lodge, the really big house
on the other side of the lake and come to the lodge
and then that's where we would have anybody
who signs up for private consultation
and then you and I will just meet there.
So I have four slots, eight to 8.30,
8.30 to nine, nine to 9.30
and then I already have one booked from 9.30 to 10.
Then at 10 o'clock, those who are in the rest intensive,
including their husbands,
their husbands are welcome obviously as well.
We're all gathering together in the lodge
just to visit because this is kind of like a conference
but we're wanting to have like a mini retreat
for our coaching session because you understand
that we have been in community, very close community.
You see the types of very deep personal
and private circumstances and situations
that we talk about.
We have been extremely vulnerable
with each other in our lives
and we have never met in person.
This conference is our first time
to get to meet in person.
So we're just gonna spend a little time together
and everybody please come to meet us
at whoever's been meeting at the Ordways.
People are gonna be coming as well.
We're all gonna have just a big potluck over at the lodge
at, is it noon?
Is that what Linda said?
So at noon at the lodge and then we're going to start
and we'll come back here for the sessions.
If a few of y'all, especially any men who would mind helping,
we actually have to tear this down
and put all of these tables up against the wall
and put out the chairs
because we're gonna have a church service tomorrow morning.
So we wanna make sure to honor them
and have it all set up for them.
And then if some of them could help me
by coming over about like maybe 12.45 tomorrow
after we eat, you know, about 45 minutes after,
so about 15 minutes before one,
then and help me like reset up
for the last afternoon sessions, I would appreciate it.
So if anybody has any questions,
y'all know how to contact me via email
or you can walk up to me,
I'll hang around just a little bit,
make sure everybody has everything that they need.
And so, yeah, we'll just close with this.
The reason I wanted to close with this,
yes, for some of you, it is a little edgy, I apologize,
but it's a very fun song, it's very exciting.
It talks about the fact that what it is
that we've been talking about,
governing creation from a place of rest,
being a king, being a Lord,
manifesting who it is that we are in Christ
down into creation to release it from frustration,
to release our, to bring the redemption of our bodies,
according to Romans, according to Romans eight,
we were made for this.
As it says in the Bible, it says in the Bible,
it says in the song, we were born in the wild
and we were made for this.
Remember, the God that we are one with is not only a lamb,
he's also a lion, and that describes you too.
So anyway, it's just a really, it's a really fun song.
So we'll just end with that
and I hope you'll all have a really good night.
♪ I take a breath, I'm not gonna lose ♪
♪ This is what I came here to do ♪
♪ I walk that wire and I take that step ♪
♪ Won't look down, got no regrets ♪
♪ I was made for this, I was made for this ♪
♪ Born in the wild, formed in the fire ♪
♪ Built for the battle, oh, I was made for this ♪
♪ I was made for this ♪
♪ The mind over matters, silence the doubters ♪
♪ I have the power, oh, I was made for this ♪
♪ I don't give up, I won't back down ♪
♪ Goodbye worries, no time to down ♪
♪ I feel the power, I won't be afraid ♪
♪ Fear won't stop me, I don't break ♪
♪ I was made for this, I was made for this ♪
♪ Born in the wild, formed in the fire, built for the battle ♪
♪ I was made for this, I was made for this ♪
♪ Mind over matter, silence the doubters, I have the power ♪
♪ I was made for this ♪
♪ I'm a soul on a wire, that's where I feel alive ♪
♪ Open up the skies ♪
♪ I'm a soul on a wire, that's where I feel alive ♪
♪ Open up the skies, I am free to fly ♪
♪ I was made for this, I was made for this ♪
♪ Born in the wild, formed in the fire, built for the battle ♪
♪ I was made for this, I was made for this ♪
♪ Mind over matter, silence the doubters, I have the power ♪
♪ I was made for this ♪
♪ I was made for this, I was made for this ♪
♪ I was made for this ♪