All right. Okay, so last night we talked about how to create and operate a business from
a place of rest and lay a really good solid foundation. And it's not even, and you don't
even just have to do this when you first started the business. It's literally any point in
your business, especially when you are looking to, when you realize that, well, I say especially
meaning that we particularly come to this point when we feel stuck and we think I need
to change because a lot of times we don't think about a change being needed as long
as everything's running smoothly and we're happy about it. Unless of course we're bored
and we decided we had a challenge. But other than that, generally it's when we're stuck
that we think, oh my goodness, the way that I've been doing things this far in life and
business has worked and now it's not. So why isn't it working anymore? And we'll, so regardless
of where it is that we are, it's the, if we can go ahead and make the shift of everything
and incorporating everything that I talked about yesterday. But tonight, what we're going
to be talking about is how to interact with clients. And, and with, by interacting with
clients, it can be anybody. It's interacting with anybody that you encounter in your business,
whether you have your own business or you manage employees because some people in here
manage employees or you are, you have a very difficult boss. I've had those. And so I've
used these principles with my employers as well, or it could be your vendors. It could
be anyone, anybody that you're interacting with. But I wanted to mention specific names
of categories so that if there's a specific category that you're particularly struggling
with, you can make the connection, okay, this can actually pertain to X, Y, and Z. The things
that I'm going to be talking about, remember, as y'all, as y'all, y'all heard my teachings
before, remember me saying that, that any, that regardless of whether we are operating
in business or in relationships or in finances, we give the same thing to everything. We're
giving spirit. So what I'm going to be talking about, even though we're going to be talking
about it in business terms, you can apply it to relationships with anything, relationships
in interactions with people in any of those categories, business relationships, or finances.
And the, and the reason for that is that what we're going to basically be talking about
when we're talking about interacting is we're talking about interacting with creation. We're
pointing out that, that the specific type of create of aspect of creation that we are
using as examples of what we're talking about are people, but those are just examples of
a much broader context that you can actually apply all of this stuff to. When you interact
with creation, you can use these principles and it doesn't have to be people. It could
be animals. It could be a business system. It could be a strategy. It could be, it could
be money, could be anything. So while you can listen to what I'm talking about and be
able to make specific connections to something that's particularly difficult for you, like
maybe a particular difficult person, I, I recommend that as much as possible, you try
to get to take these, everything I say as examples of an actual larger principle and
grab the larger principle, if you can, so that you can then apply it in all kinds of
other areas of your life. Now, something I did want to cover that I didn't, that I had
written a note down about yesterday, and we just ran out of time and I wasn't able to
cover it, is the fact that provision, remember, or let me, let me rephrase the sentence, that
business is not God's means of providing for us. This is important to talk about tonight
because the reason, if we think that our business is God's means of providing for us, then the
business has to work and be successful in order for God to provide for us. That's how
that's the, that's the logical conclusion that we'd have to draw. And if we believe
that, then who, who, where are we usually going to see the pressure that we feel under
for our business to succeed? Where are we going to particularly find that we're going
to particularly see that pressure come out in our relationships with other people, that
we're going to try to micromanage the employees, that we're going to get very frustrated or
very emotionally affected by our clients and our clients are responding to us, or whether
or not a vendor is able to actually make the supply by the expected.
and pay for supply that we had ordered or not.
That's when all of our, it's in situations like that,
that what it is that we actually believe
about whether or not God is providing for us,
that's where it ends up showing out and showing up,
what it is that we actually truly believe.
It's important that we talk about this tonight
instead of last night, actually.
So it ends up working out really well.
So remember that God is providing for us
in the fact that we are in a state of provision,
and y'all have all heard me talk about this before,
that we're in a substance and an environment,
we're gonna be talking tonight
about how we provide that environment for others.
How do we know to do that?
Because our father is doing that for us.
He's being a leader, he's being a king in our lives,
and he's providing us with a particular environment
that sustains us and supports us,
and what it is, and operating according
to the way he intended us to function.
We then, trying to look like our father
and trying to copy our father and act just like him,
we then do that for other people.
But we know that we're to do that for other people
because we're looking at our father
and watching him do that for us.
It's very, very crucial that we go all the way back
to the foundation of this and realize
and truly let go of this belief
that we are provided for by money
or we are provided for by our business.
And that, oh yeah, yeah, God gave us the business.
So God's providing for us through the business,
that the business is actually the thing
that he gave us to provide for us.
No, so your business can completely tank
and it doesn't bear any weight whatsoever
in whether or not God is actually continuing
to provide for you.
God provides for me all the time, constantly.
I have the wildest stories,
absolute, miraculous, wild stories
of God providing for me all the time,
even when I'm not engaging with
or interacting with new clients or anything like that,
anything that someone would think of as traditionally,
oh, well, obviously this is how money flows
in and out of Ashley's life.
No, and that's not my provision.
God is always providing for me.
So therefore, what is money in business?
Remember me talking in other teachings
about the fact that business,
the purpose of business is actually not money.
The purpose of business is the movement of money.
And even deeper than that,
the purpose of business is movement.
That's why we have business.
That's why we operate in business
is because God desires us to help,
desires that to help,
to be something that engages with us
in order to facilitate movement in some form and creation.
And that's what we're being a part of.
So the purpose of business is not the money.
So therefore, what's this whole thing then about money?
Why is it in there?
And why do we feel that we need the business
in order to have the money
so we can have whatever it is,
have a particular type of security
that we feel that it is, quote, unquote,
marks that the business is successful,
meaning that therefore I'm okay.
And I know therefore who I am because I have a title.
I am, quote, unquote, life coach,
or I am, quote, unquote, counselor,
or I am whoever it is that you are.
I'm network marketer, I'm whatnot.
I'm CEO, I'm entrepreneur.
We have to let go of this, of our hold on money
or else in order to be at rest,
because if we don't,
then we're gonna continue to be in unrest
and we're gonna have to continue to work for
everything that comes into our business.
Everything is, I always use the number 10 times harder,
but it's probably even harder than that.
It's, so our provision is not in the actual money.
God's providing for us anyway.
So the actual money itself is the way in which,
okay, let me back up so that,
so I can remind us of how we get to this conclusion.
Remember that our destiny here on earth is to,
excuse me, is to make the invisible visible.
So if God is providing for us in the invisible,
that's where our provision is.
It's a state, it's an environment in which we exist
that sustains and supports us to function
according to the way that God intended us to function.
The money is how that, that is something that we is.
is something that results when we co-labor with God to make the truth of what is in spirit
actually visible down into the soul and finally down into the physical realm of the body and we
actually see and experience money transfer in the world. That's the visible expression of the fact
that God is already providing for us. We have to co-labor and co-partner with him in the fact that
he gives us word and we believe that word. He says that he's provision. He says that he provides for
us and then we receive that word. We truly in faith receive that word meaning that in order
for it to be faith we have to step out on it. All of this before we ever see the money because
us doing that creates the money. That is where money comes in in your business. You help create
it by your co-laboring with the Lord that you believe that he is who he says that he is.
It's proof. Now that being said that was actually a very simple way of describing a larger
principle that's actually at play. Remember that money is only one form in which the
which provision that in the spirit is actually physically manifest. Provision can manifest in a
multitude of ways. Money is just one of them. So if you're not seeing a lot of money remember a lot
in other words volume is a standard that the world uses in order to measure success or failure or
whatever in order to measure money. But when you and the Lord are co-laboring together
provision and everything else that that business is set in is meant to create movement of in the
in the earth will take on a variety of forms. It won't just be money. It will be in the transformed
lives of your employees, the transformed lives of your clients, or the fact that well there's
my goodness there's so many different things I could say. You're talking about the implementation
of a business systems that you have in your business and the different aspects of creation
that all of the that that those systems are connected to and that those things are affecting.
There's even stuff going on in that area as well that's part of creation that you are creating it
you as the as um let's just make it simple and say as as the business owner but even if you're
the employee you know whatever it is you're touching your projects your your systems whatever
that you are it's almost like an aspect of a kingdom that you have an authority over and you
are creating movement within creation in those various areas interpersonal relationships
business systems and then sometimes in money. So I say that so that people won't think
that okay well that that we so that we can stop um we can stop using money as this measure by
which we are are determining that God is pleased with us that we picked the right business that
we've heard God correctly that we're doing it right that if we're being successful whatever
that we really are co-laboring with the Lord you know oh well Ashley says that you know we
we'd see money you know if we co-labor with the Lord and I'm not saying money
no no what we we see all kinds of other things remember the point of business isn't money the
point of business is movement you're creating movement in various areas of your business
money is just one of them. So excuse me uh so very very important reason why all of that
is very important to mention now is when we are now going to be talking about clients
we can get very sharp with clients we can get very sharp with vendors very sharp with employees
wanting to micromanage the projects very aware of of the desire to do so I have lived through this
many times uh and because we think that we are going somewhere in particular and that they are
hindering it that they're hindering our ability to manifest into the earth they are hindering our
co-laboring with the Lord no no they're not so we and also the uh for one thing they're not doing
that and for for another that getting the result or not getting the results remember is up to the
Lord not up to us we just go labor with them together and just enjoy the process we enjoy
being part of it just like we allow aspects of creation to be part of our interaction with the
earth but we and our spirit is what breathes life and creates life
creates the result through whatever, through whatever it is that we're doing.
And it's not actually creation itself, that tool that we've used, that we used
to think according to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that, uh,
was actually creating the result and that we needed and that we were subjected to.
And it was more powerful than us.
And we needed it in order to get a result.
We've learned, no, it's not.
We actually create the result, but we allow that aspect of creation to
partner with us in the dance and the journey.
We can pick any part of creation to, uh, to, to do this with us.
How do we want to form our business?
And what, what, um, what, what does our business model look like?
That is an aspect of creation that we have chosen to partner with how we want
to facilitate movement into the earth, but it doesn't create, we didn't need
it in order to create the movement.
We allowed it to partner with us.
So when I mentioned that, so we need to relieve this, uh, uh,
relieve our strangleholds on, on clients, on our employees, excuse me,
and all these other people, the vendors, et cetera.
Uh, now remember that.
So let's first talk to talk about prospective clients.
So when you've got clients that you, um, that you, well, when you have people
that you want to become your client or that you're wondering if, you know,
they've called, contacted you, they, um, he's going to get a little, little
try and they've contacted you.
They've sought you out.
Basically that you are on a sales call.
Um, remember that however you get someone is how you're
going to have to maintain them.
So you want them to come.
You want them to do all the work.
You want them to choose you.
Now you get to choose whether or not you want to, whether or not you want to.
Uh, uh, contribute because relationship is a two way street, whether or not
this is relationship that you want to, but you, but you do want them to have
to choose you out of their free roll choice, not because they were convinced.
So however you get them is going to be how, how you maintain them.
So if you get them because you've convinced them, you will find that you
will have to continue convincing them.
If, especially if you're a coach or, or a, or a counselor, but even, even, even
if you are actually selling a product, selling an actual product or service,
you will find that they will, because you've got them by trying to convince
them, you will have, they, they lean on you.
They they've actually hired you to be the new person in their life
that convinces them of things.
That is, that is why they bought into you.
That's why they bought your product and why they bought your service.
They bought you to support them.
In other words, to give them whatever it is that they need to be supported
and bolstered or to, to understand the right decision, you know, to be
informed or whatever, they're not taking ownership of their lives.
And those types of clients are extremely difficult to work with or customers.
You know, even if it's like buying a product that they're very difficult.
We think that, well, we all have these great intentions.
We all have these great ideas.
Like, well, I just know that once they get in it, once they get in it, they're
going to see, and once they get in it, well, then they're going to own it.
I'm telling you what, that, that is extremely rare.
I have been in a lot of industries.
I don't know how many industries I've been in.
I've been in over 10.
I think it's probably at least 15 now, at least.
And it might be more than that.
Um, and that's just industry.
So it doesn't even include companies.
It's very, very, very, very, very, very, very rare that, that people begin
to own something after they get in.
Even if they get excited about it and they start and they become convinced.
They still don't know how to transition into owning it for themselves.
So you want them to own it for themselves from the get go, because it sets up a
very healthy spiritual atmosphere that they have been in that the two
of you have been entered into.
Um, so just remember that however you get them is how you maintain them.
So if you get them in rest and you interact with them in rest, including,
I'm going to throw this wild thing in here, um, this random thing
here, including your friends.
If you get your friends in rest, you get to keep them in rest without
having to work so hard for them and trying to make them happy and keep
them happy because you got them because they liked you and, and they, and
you got them because you liked them.
It is just very, very easy and very effortless.
So however you get something, it's how you maintain it.
So if you work for it, you're going to have to continue.
need to work for it in order to keep it. But if you do it and if you attract it and rest,
just by being who it is that you are, and are attracted to that because that resonates with them,
then, excuse me, then that's how you get to keep it. It's very effortless.
One of the reasons we don't like it is because we don't get to control it.
But remember, if we're relying on the Lord to provide for us, and we realize that it's
not our business that's providing for us, and our business is not even the means by
which God is providing for us, technically speaking, then we've released our stranglehold
on this situation. And therefore, it doesn't matter whether they join us or not. The majority
of the people, and I'm just using my recent situation as an example, the majority of people
that I have everybody seek me out about the rest intensive or anything like the conferences or
anything. I have them seek me out. And in fact, it was months and months and months. I don't know
how many months, like 10, 8, 10 months before I even started mentioning what it is I did unless
someone asked. So I have just learned that it's just so much easier if I let them work for it,
if I let them ask questions and seek it out. And would you know that of all of the people
that seek me out, and we're talking like they did through a lot of effort, they will contact me,
you know, who's usually a stranger, they'll contact me, and then they will go back and
forth. And then they will say, Yes, I do want to do this. So they're committing to set aside time
to meet with a stranger about something that's very personal that I don't know might make them
feel very vulnerable. I have no idea what that is. That make them might make them feel very
vulnerable. And then they set aside time and rework their schedule, especially if they're if
they have if they have children, then they have to make sure that they're that they've got child
care and all of that in order to meet that in order to meet that particular time with me. And
then they sit with me an hour and we talk about things. And I and more than half of them,
the majority of them do not join. I spent hours and hours and hours and hours and hours
on video calls with people. And they all love it. They all love it. They all think it's a wonderful
idea. But when push comes to shove, they don't actually do it. And in so the majority of the
people that I interact with don't ever end up joining. And that's fine. So I don't go in with
this expectation that, oh, I bet you that they're going to join or whatever. I just go in to meet
someone new, get to visit with them and and me show up. Because otherwise, if I don't show up,
I'm not giving them anything to respond to and then to and then to have anything to make a decision
about. So I need to put on my own oxygen mask person. I need to be present in order to allow
them to have something to respond to. And like I said, make a decision about
if I want them to own their own lives, I need to give them something to own,
so to speak, in that in that particular situation. So you really do need to to just kind of let go
of all of that. And then you want to attract by being who you want. So this is this is how I
recommend attracting that you want to be who you want to attract. So in other words, you want to
create the environment that someone that someone else you want to create a particular environment
that you want to work in. And then and then the people that that type of environment resonates
with will be attracted to you. That is how I recommend doing that, as opposed to
figuring out what it is that other people want, because every we all know that cliche, what is
that cliche? I'd say we all know it. And then here I am thinking about it, which I think is pretty
funny. But the the cliche that you that I may not I may not phrase it exactly right. But basically,
for who, however many people you ask, you get that many different answers to the same question.
I mean, because everybody has a has a different opinion on the subject. Everybody, everybody that
you ask is going to give you a new grocery list of what it is that they think is best and what it
is that they want. What I recommend, because I've done it both ways, I've taught people how to do
that. I've done it myself. It's so hard. That work is just so very hard. And again, however you.
However, you get something is how you have to maintain it.
So what I recommend doing is you put on your own oxygen mask first.
You operate out of the spirit. You live out loud.
And then you create a particular environment that provides someone something to be attracted to.
And then just allow them to allow who it is that you are in the spirit of the Lord coming out of you, which has the ability to breathe life into them.
Allow that to be something that they want that they can choose to resonate with and desire to have for themselves.
Everything is effortless, then you're running your business by being you're running your business by living, not by having learned something and then trying to implement it, etc.
So attract by by being who you want to attract.
Because and be who it is just that you are, you are yourself don't become something that you think don't decide who you want to work with.
I know that's what business business like coaches always say, right?
You know, who's your ideal client? Nothing wrong with that.
But the thing is that usually what we do is we go outside of ourselves to try to try to decide what it is that we want.
No, no, no. We need to be the thing. And then when we be the thing, the people that we want to work with will come to us.
Those that will be who is attracted to that is who will resonate with you.
It happens to be the people you like to work with that that that's who we like to work with the people that resonate with us.
So if you just start from that end, instead of from this one, you will everything will be done in rest and you will attract the people that you actually want to work with, as opposed to having to define that on the outside.
Again, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that usually the way we end up doing it is we are looking outside of ourselves to determine what who is out there and who might I want to work with.
No, you just be and you just put yourself out there and then and then they'll be attracted.
So like I said, live out loud. Just live out loud. Just be who it is that you are. And it just live out loud.
I'm telling you what I it is so much fun. I do these business conferences because they're fun. I do. Well, I mean, this is the first one that I've done that specifically only about business and nothing else.
But, well, since I've talked to started talking about rest prior to rest. That's all I did for business conferences, but I would or business teaching session.
But the conference that I just did in the interest rest conference or the fact that I'm doing the rest intensive. I'm doing that because that's what I wanted to do.
That's how I wanted to live life. That's what I thought was fun because it's what naturally comes up out of me without me trying.
And so that's why I recommend that people build their businesses or their ministries out of who it is that they are. So you're going to want to create an environment that others want to be part of.
This goes for network marketers as well. All of this goes for ministries, for brick and mortars, for network marketers, for coaches, counselors, mentors, whoever.
But I'm specifically going to mention something about the network marketing because it kind of has an interest, its own type of structure and the fact that you have a downline and an upline.
So when you're wanting to attract people, not just to buy a particular product or service, but you're wanting to attract people to be part of your team.
Again, create an environment that you want to work in. Again, whoever it is that you are, create that environment.
And then whoever wants to be part of that environment is who will be attracted to it. You will find that the people that end up coming to your downline are a lot easier to work with.
They're a lot easier to, they don't, because you've allowed them, you've attracted them by, you've attracted people who own their own lives, who own their own decisions, as opposed to being convinced that they could get what it is that they're wanting by joining network marketing.
Because, hey, then you can just stay at home and then you can have your own flexible schedule and, you know, all the usual stuff that's talked about with network marketing.
Instead of the convincing of, hey, this can get you what you want, it's instead from this perspective of they decide for themselves what it is that they want to do out of who it is that they are.
Not what thing.
will get them what they want.
Because we all know that there's a lot of effort and exertion
that has to go into getting the result that
will give them what they want.
And people are going to get frustrated.
They are very difficult to manage.
They're very difficult to lead because they haven't owned
something for themselves.
They're not doing something out of their own will,
out of their own intention.
They're acting more like victims where
they are in a situation that they don't want to be in
and that they want to be saved from.
And so if they want to be saved from it,
they're already not taking ownership enough of their lives
to understand that they actually have to put forth
a lot of work and a lot of effort, usually,
if you're not, because most people operate
according to the truth, knowledge, good and evil,
and put forth a lot of work and a lot of effort
in order to get a result.
And it's the very opposite of what it is
that they're actually wanting.
They like the result, but they don't like how it is
that they have to get the result.
So that's, so you'll want to attract people.
You want to create an environment that attracts people
who already own their own lives and are doing things
because they choose, this is what I want to do.
Not, I want that result.
Okay, what out here can get me that?
There's too much that is required of themselves
in order to get the result
that they're extremely difficult downlines.
So throwing that in there,
because I coached network marketers as well.
And well, about REST.
And before I did the REST intensive,
I had people that I would work with
that had a network marketing company.
And okay, then, so, okay, now,
also in prospective clients,
when you are visiting with them,
when you're on a sales call,
you know, you're on a clarity call,
which sounds just a lot softer and a lot nicer,
but it's been used so often
that everybody knows what that is.
Everybody's trying to see if we're a good fit.
It's new, I think it's really fun.
I've completely used it.
I just noticed that everybody else is using it too.
I just thought, this is hilarious.
It's the new trend in business.
But anyway, so it's very clever.
Whoever came up with the inspirations,
it's really good.
And it is closer to the truth
as the way that we ought to be interacting with people.
So, you know, even the world is learning
that the old systems are not working as,
and that actually they're a lot harder.
And so they are noticing new systems and new principles
the Lord has actually had in place
for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
But in regardless of whether it's clarity calls,
sales call, whatever you wanna call it,
what you're actually trying to do
is you were trying to empower the person,
not convince them.
You're trying to empower them by helping them clear the,
excuse me, by helping them clear the fog
in their own minds.
That's not allowing them to make the decision
because they don't, there's too much noise.
They don't know what it is that they want.
And so they're coming to you to try to tell them
to try to overpower the noise in their own mind.
That is a lot of work on your part.
And then what they're gonna do is
because they're not used to quieting their own noise
to make their own decision.
If you do convince them
because you overpower the noise,
the white noise in their own mind
and you overpower the fog,
then they're gonna always rely on you
to continue to do that.
Again, they're not owning it for themselves.
So what I highly recommend is you go in
and you help them clear the fog from their own mind
so that they can empower them
to make a decision based on their own values
as opposed to convincing them
that they should have different values than they do,
that they should want what it is that you have,
that you have to give them and that you have to offer them,
that they should want freedom.
They should want rest.
They should want, and I'm just using my own things.
I mean, whatever it is that y'all,
that you sell or you coach about or whatever,
that they should want healing.
No, I don't convince anybody of any of that.
I just figure out, okay, do they want this?
You know, and I talk to them about different things.
I ask them a lot of questions.
Basically, I basically have them talk themselves into it
is all I do.
And I tell them what it is that after I let them talk,
I let them talk, and sometimes they'll talk.
45 minutes. And then, and then I'll ask them if they would like to hear what it is that,
you know, I have a response to what it is they say. And then I'll ask them that, you know,
did you want to hear about the rest intensive? Was that something that you wanted me to go over?
And then they'll, and then they usually say, in fact, they all the time that they've said,
Oh yeah, yeah. You know, we'd like to know, but I ask them, I ask them if they want to hear it.
And, and I do it in such a way that they could say, no, they don't want to, if they really don't
want to, because I, because I don't want them to do it. How would I word that? I want them to,
that's part of the empowering process is I am actually presenting them with opportunities
to make decisions and by interacting with them like that and honoring them and showing them
respect as opposed to, well, I'm, I'm the expert. I'm the one who knows all of this stuff and you
don't know. And so do you want this or not? You know, you know, cause I'm busy and I've got other
things to do. You know, that was the old mindset and that old in those old business strategies
and traditions. Instead, it's, it's an honoring of the person who's coming to us and treating
them with dignity and asking, is this something that you would like? Because this is, you are
deferring to them in a conversation as opposed to holding the power. If you don't feel threatened
because you're in Christ, then there's no power play to pull. You don't need to, you don't.
So it's not, it's, you're not vying for power and control of the conversation.
Anyway, so I, I just, that's one of the ways in which I, I try to empower other people is I'm
providing them with opportunities to make decisions and the way and the, the, the, um,
I, cause I have to put on my own oxygen mask first, like we've talked about so many times.
In fact, that I know who I am in the Lord, but also that as a result of that, I don't feel
I don't feel threatened. So therefore I can just, I can, and I also see them as God sees them
and I honor that. And so I just ask them, you know, would you like this? And they'll tell me,
yes, they do. I'm like, okay, well then this is how it works. And I don't take a superiority seat
in my own belief system. Understand we're not talking about, well, okay, change your tone
and do this and do that. No, it's all, those are all put ons. It's fake. And it's from the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil. And therefore it can't bring anything but death being the thing
in order. If you want, if there's something that you want to give, find that in Christ,
find the genuine thing and give that don't try to make it up and make it look like like a particular
thing, look like, or sound like that you love them or that you care about them or whatever.
If someone needs something, give it to them, but you have to have it first before you can give it.
So you actually have to have love for them. You actually have to respect them. You have to,
you have to view them as valuable and, and worthy of dignity in order for it to come
across in your tone, come across near whatever, because it's not just the tone
it's coming across in the spirit. It's not the tone that's going to convince them. It's the way
that your spirit impacts them. And by the way, I'll be, again, I'm talking about, even though
we're talking about clients and go for, go for patrons, they can go for, you know, employees,
whoever, but so you're going to want to clear the fog, help them clear the fog in their own
mind. And then, and then help them understand by the way that you're interacting with them,
that you believe that they can make good and wise decisions. And you might be the first person
in their life who's ever treated them in a way that let them know that you valued their decision.
There was something that someone said the other day, what was it? Someone wrote me something.
Oh, I remember. In fact, this happens more, this, this happens, you know, periodically,
someone will write me that they have done that is some of these are clients. Some of these are
not clients. And so, so several days ago, maybe in a few weeks ago, someone wrote me that, Oh,
you know, Oh, this happened in my life. And, and, and there was this and dah, dah, dah, dah. And so
I made this decision. I told, and in my mind, I'm thinking, I don't agree with that decision,
but I didn't tell them that. I, and so instead, I, I just poured into them and I spoke into them
and I said, I am so excited for you. I'm, Oh, now I remember who I wrote.
I was writing to somebody that I didn't even know.
And I was telling them that they were like,
oh, that's what it was.
It was somebody that had decided to not,
as I'm switching stories on you, because this
is a really good one.
They had decided to not even purchase.
They had reached out to me wanting
to make a commitment gesture for the interest for us
conference to be able to have access to all the recordings.
And they were going back and forth and back and forth with me.
And then finally, they said, you know what?
I've decided.
I've decided not to.
And here's all of the reasons.
So I read them back.
And I said, I think that is great.
I am so excited for you that you know what
it is that you want to do.
And you're actually following through with it.
You're actually doing it.
What am I doing?
I'm empowering them that they make good decisions
and that they actually follow through with them.
In other words, they owned it as opposed to, well,
just kind of what I'm going to do.
Even if they were doing it out of fear, which I honestly
believe was because of the type of the conversations
that we had, that there was some kind of a fear involved.
Even if it was fear, even if that was the reason,
they owned it.
And they actually acted on it.
And I affirmed that.
Because it was actually born.
It's from a very good thing.
Now, they're doing it out of fear, which isn't good.
But the act of making one's own decision,
choosing what it is that one believes,
and actually having the courage to act on it,
especially when they had gotten so far with me,
of like, what about this, what about this,
and questioning things, and writing quite a bit.
Then it's very important that I sewed into them and let them.
Because remember, they're who I'm
sewing into as an individual.
It's not whether or not they join the rest intensive
or whether or not they choose to listen to a teaching.
That's their decision.
I am providing things for people that they
can choose whether or not it resonates with them.
Or if now's the time that it's going to resonate with them.
Totally get to them.
I need to respect their relationship with the Lord
and the journey that they're on.
And just allow them to and allow it to be what it is.
Excuse me, allow it to be what it is.
And see them for who it is that they are in the spirit.
And to speak to that and to interact with that.
And so even if they end up not making
a decision for the product, for the service,
or whatever it is that you offer,
because your interaction with them
is about empowering another individual,
not about them buying into you.
Then you've actually done, with every single interaction
you have with a prospective client or an employer,
whatever, you've actually accomplished
what it is you set out to do.
The whole thing of whether or not they join you
is up to them.
The call and the power is always on their side.
You just present yourself by just being.
But see, God doesn't provide or not provide for you
based on the result of that phone call.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with that phone call.
That's you facilitating movement in the earth
by having conversations with other people.
Excuse me.
I don't know why I'm coughing so much tonight.
Now, once you actually get into the thing,
so whether we're talking about prospective clients
or you've actually sold them on something,
and say, for instance, you're actually coaching them,
or these are employees, and you're guiding them
throughout the day, whether you're teaching
or you're guiding them, you'll have
heard me talk about before, that you
interact with people without any agenda, with no agenda.
In other words, there's not a specific outcome
that you have to get from the exchange, from the interaction.
Now, you can have an idea in mind, like, OK.
I mean, because otherwise, I mean,
why did you walk up to talk to them?
You had a reason, right?
However, what we can do with other people
is the same thing that we do with the Lord, which
is we can then emotionally hold them responsible
if they don't give us the result that we came
to the conversation wanting.
And that emotional responsibility
that we put on them is not honoring,
and it's not of our God.
It's not of our Father.
So, and it will taint the conversation because we're trying to convince, and the only reason
why we're trying to convince is because we feel threatened.
We feel threatened that if we don't get the result or outcome of the exchange and the
interaction that we want, then we're going to suffer particular consequences for it.
And why would those consequences matter unless God isn't who he says that he is and he's
providing for us and protecting us regardless.
If we think that the thing that we want that conversation, that interaction to result in
is going to do something for us and we're not being given it and they are standing in
our way, then we feel threatened.
But God says that we're never in a place that we should feel threatened.
That we're completely free at that.
So I recommend not talking with an agenda, also it stifles the spirit flow in allowing
the spirit to just talk in the moment and to be able to transform the person to be able
to speak spiritually into the situation and be able to say things that you have no idea
that they needed to hear in that particular moment.
Remember what it says in the new Testament that where Jesus said, even if you're called
before the court to make an account of something, he said, do not prepare beforehand.
He said, the Holy spirit will give you the words that you need in the moment.
Just operate out of spirit.
I mean, that was a very serious situation.
So if God is saying to do that about serious situation, you know, then, then God's meaning
You do that in every situation.
You don't have to do, you don't have to prepare.
Now you can, there's nothing wrong with preparing, but if you're relying on the preparing, if
you're thinking that it's that if you don't prepare that you're going to be in lack, or
if you're not, if, or if having prepared, in other words, having like prepared yourself
spiritually and thought through some thoughts and ideas and yeah, I'm remembering this and
I thought about this and this is a situation and, but then you come to the situation and
And if you're just trying to remember the bullet points that have in the, in the highlights
and the little catchy phrases that you thought of that you thought, oh, well, this is really
going to, you know, tickle their ears.
And this is really going to, I think, convince them or whatever, then you're not in the moment.
You're not present, you're distant from them.
And you are actually in your own head and not allowing the spirit to flow.
So it's actually stifling the, the spirit flow and it is bringing death into the situation
and it can actually result it's, it's a lot harder to interact with someone that way.
And this, and what it is that you are inserting into that situation, like I said, is death
and not life.
And it can it, what's the word for that?
Well, it can create, not just stagnant, not just there's this, there's this concept I'm
trying to, trying to figure out how to, how to articulate, but it can, it can just create,
create some stagnation between, between the two of you, it, it changes everything to from
a gift to a wage in the exchange.
And everything has to be worked for because remember, however, you get some things, how
you're going to have to maintain it, especially if you're working with a difficult employee
and you're trying to get past the hurdle and trying to get past the threshold, however,
you handle that threshold, however, you get the thing, however, you get the result is
how you're going to have to maintain it in order to keep that result going with that
person.
And with that difficult employee, that's going to have to continue to be maintained.
And it is very, very hard.
Another thing that I recommend is when you are trying to sell something online, or, you
know, it's, it's another, going back to the interchange between you and someone else that
I said, don't have an agenda.
I also recommend don't speak from a script, prepare yourself by remembering, by, by
owning, by teaching what it is that you own.
And operate out of who it, how, who it is that you are, and how you live, not something
that you think that they should know, or that you want them to know, or that you think that
they would find important or valuable, or you think would convince them.
Because people smell it, the vast, vast, vast majority.
vast majority, I would say 90 some odd percent of the teachings,
lives, whatever that I come across on Facebook,
at least 90, probably it's got to be more than that.
It's probably 95 percent, something like that.
It feels stagnant.
It feels very stale.
They may not be reading a script,
but they're so reliant on their notes that I,
oh, trust me, trust me.
You can tell, you can tell.
I mean, they can have their notes right here.
I mean, just right next to the camera here.
Totally tell, totally tell.
And they need to look every few sentences,
not every few paragraphs or every few minutes.
No, every few sentences they're having to look over
because you can tell they're trying to convince,
as opposed to it just being something that they live
and that they own,
and that they're just speaking out of what it is
that they know.
One of the things though that I've noticed
that preparation and notes are good for
is remembering how to articulate something.
Because we can own something and sometimes struggle a bit
in what is it that I, what do you call this thing?
How can I say it in English?
Because I only know it in spirit.
How do I say it in English?
So whenever I'm doing preparatory work for,
for, I don't know, like say for instance,
for this business conference or whatever,
what it is that I'm looking over
when I'm looking over at notes is,
or even when I'm looking down at my notes over here,
is I'm trying to remember, okay,
how do I articulate to other people in a very,
how have I articulated this concept to people before
that actually got the idea across?
Because I've tried it in multiple different ways.
I try all kinds of different things with different people.
And so I finally start figuring out, okay, this one,
this one, if I word it, in other words,
if I use this type of an example,
that helps people get a grasp of what it is
that I'm talking about.
So sometimes when you are trying to remind yourself
of how to articulate something,
then that's when notes are very helpful,
but they should be very, very few and far between.
I've tested all kinds of things with notes.
I have done the verbatim script, maybe.
Have I done the verbatim script?
I don't know.
Surely I have at some point, but I don't remember.
But I've done a pretty close to verbatim script.
And then I have done bullet points.
I have just done one words.
I have done little phrases.
I've done all kinds of things.
The shorter and the fewer, the better.
They're also there just in case you get off track
and you have to remind yourself.
And just kind of remember as well,
kind of keeping track of the time.
Okay, like I have got this much
and I have however many minutes to go.
And I've been in it however many minutes
and I've gotten like this far.
Like, okay, so I need to speed it up
in order to be able to get through or whatever.
So that can kind of help.
But again, all of these things should just,
you're flowing in the spirit
and it should just be very general guidelines.
You would probably be very shocked
to discover how short my little notes are here.
I've had to learn though to trust that
because it's very scary.
I thought that I need it.
I thought in order for anything
that I spoke to be valuable and to have weight
that I had to have a lot more down
because I was just gonna run out of things to say.
But you don't when you actually own it.
All you need to do is have a phrase
to trigger you and remind you,
oh yeah, that part of my life.
Okay, we're gonna be talking about that part of my life now.
Okay, here's how this part of my life works.
And that's really what it is that you're wanting to do.
Okay, remember that your clients, once you have them,
your client, well, even if it's a potential client,
it goes for them as well
because people can still experience this desire
in them as well.
Remember that they're the Lords
for him to meet their needs, not us.
It's extremely, extremely important to remember.
They're the Lords.
We all know it.
We could all speak this to each other
and we could reach it to the choir.
But when you'll notice that if something,
that if they're really struggling with something,
I mean, like really struggling with it,
you'll notice if you take that on
as you either start defending yourself.
yourself, well, I've just done the best I can.
Or you'll start doing the opposite of thinking,
oh my goodness, what is it that I could have done
or can do to make things better?
And if you're just thinking of that a little bit,
because it's part of the service you provide, that's fine.
But if you're getting too desperate about it,
then there's some kind of a hold that we have on it,
which is some kind of an accusation that we have
against the Lord that we're not okay,
or that they're not okay,
and that they're not gonna be taken care of,
or we're being held responsible for them,
and their blood is on our hands.
Because, but remember that they are the Lords
for the Lord to meet their needs.
He didn't give them to you to meet their needs.
You can sort of.
You can give to them,
and you can be a means through,
you can supply them with something
that they feel that they're lacking,
like love, or security, or what have you.
Because we've talked about that before,
how to interact with someone in their spirit
according to what it is that they feel that they need.
But, or what it is that you are sensing that they need,
which is, and you know that because of the brokenness
in which they're coming to you and thinking,
okay, they don't feel love.
That's what's really going on.
So therefore, give them love.
You know, actually, truly love them.
That's what I'm referring to.
There is that aspect that we can offer to them,
that it's coming from spirit anyway,
and they have to choose to receive it.
But it's their God that actually meets
all of their provision.
Just like he provides for you, God provides for them.
Other people can't fix your life,
and they can't be what it is
that you actually, truly, really need.
If you're in a desperate situation,
and you're really struggling with something,
someone else, you know, a coach, a counselor,
you know, a mentor, whatever, they can't fix it.
They can't change the situation.
The person themselves has to actually do it.
And the Lord desires very jealously in the relationship
to be the one through whom that need
is actually fulfilled.
So, okay, I've already talked about that.
Okay, let's see.
The last couple of things we're gonna talk about,
and then we'll have just a little bit of a break.
And that is, I've already talked about these quite a bit,
so we're just gonna touch on them just really briefly.
Y'all have all heard me say these things before.
And that is, be careful about your motivation.
Remember, your motivation in your business,
your motivation interacting with your clients,
or interacting with an employee,
is based on you developing your relationship with the Lord
and who it is that the two of you are together.
And you're just living that, and you are just being that.
Instead of thinking, I am in this business,
and I want this business,
and I want to do it like this,
because I want to help people.
I just couldn't, I couldn't have a whole two days
set aside for talking about the business conference,
talking about business, and not bring these things up again.
So I'm bringing it up yet again,
that it's very important that we don't,
that we're not, we're not getting up in the morning
interacting in our business
and interacting with our clients in order to help them.
We can want to help them, but wanting to help them
and actually doing something from that base,
using that as our base, two totally different things.
And if we rely on that as our motivation,
then it will mean that we are subject to,
whether or not they're choosing to receive our help,
because we can't control it.
So the success of our business can,
is then, we're then leaving that very purposefully
in the hands of someone that we can't control.
And the whole point of our business
is just the development of our relationship with the Lord.
That's what that is.
It is the development of our relationship with the Lord
and things that will happen in the business
that will trigger us,
that will prompt us to develop a relationship with the Lord
in a particular way.
It'll help mold it and shape it.
And as well, it is actually,
and the fact that it will trigger a molding and a shaping,
but also then from that molding and that shaping,
we then.
take that, that thing, I've heard it referred to as folding into ourselves, creating something,
and then unfolding out into our business, the thing that we actually then have created. So
we are, we're finding what it is that we need in the Lord, and then we are giving it out into our
business, and we're giving it out and to our clients. So we're living and being, and we are
visibly expressing our relationship, not with the Lord. We're not trying to help someone,
trying to serve them. We are helping them. We are serving them, but that's not what we're trying to
do. That's a byproduct. Helping someone is a byproduct. It's not the reason. It's just something
that happens. Serving someone is something that happens. It's a byproduct. It's not the motivation.
It's not the engine, and it's not the fuel. Very, very important. Again, I'm talking about
things from a perspective of rest. So not trying to villainize other things, but I'm just talking
about if you're wanting to truly understand the depth to which we can go in interacting in
business from a place of rest, I wanted to touch on those points. And then also the same thing,
just like the help, to not base our motivation on what it is that we talk to them about.
The type of service or product that we provide cannot be based, if we're doing it from a place
of rest, should not be based on what it is that we want them to have.
I want them to know that God loves them. I want other people to be free. I want
other people to be healed. I don't want them to have to go through what I went through.
I've heard all of these things, and I have been motivated by all of those.
But when I started the rest intensive, and actually maybe even a little bit prior to that,
or maybe even when I was doing a bit of the one-on-one coaching as well prior to that,
I was starting to have to let... I was having to learn that I had to let all of that go.
That it had to be because this is how God and I were living together.
And that I couldn't be... And that my business and what it is that I did for a living,
needed to be based on who he and I were together, not on what I wished someone else knew,
that I now know. Oh my word, if only everybody knew how much God loves them. If only everybody
knew how much that... How free that we were. If only everybody knew... I'll say something here
that... Remember what we talked about yesterday, that usually people get into businesses
based on whatever it is that they want for themselves.
Then now they might be healed, and that might not be the case. But
I would say the vast majority of the time that, and I've lived through this myself,
of why we do something is because it's... There's still something in it that we want for ourselves,
and we don't yet have. But when we get a revelation, we get so excited, and it's still a knowing,
and it's still a knowing, as opposed to an owning yet, that we will begin to...
That we want everyone else to now know the same thing. But the... I'm trying to figure out how to
read this. It's what we... It is not a stable and solid foundation for a business to be in existence,
because we want something for someone else. We want them to... It's in the foundation. You can
want that for someone else. Absolutely. I want rest for everybody. I want freedom for everybody.
Yes, obviously. It comes across in all my passion and all my excitement, whatever. Well, no,
it doesn't feel my passion and excitement. That worded that a little inaccurately. It... I have
it in what it is that I do, but my passion and my excitement is out of what it is that I live,
because that's who it is that I am. I get that passion about it. I get that excited, because
it's that...
wonderful. And I'm just, I'm just so thrilled. The Lord would do this.
So thrilled that this is the gift that he's given to me.
And I'm just rejoicing it and I just celebrate in it.
And that's how the passion comes across. But anyway,
it's a,
it's not a solid foundation on which to build a business to do something
because, uh, to pick,
to base a business on what it is that we want for someone else
because we want other people to have this.
You can want it again,
but that shouldn't be the reason you're doing it.
The reason that you're doing the business should be because
that's who you and the Lord are.
And when your spirit comes up and it overflows,
it could have any message.
And that happens to be the message that comes up and out because it's what it
is that you live. That needs to be the motivation.
That needs to be the fuel that needs to be the engine. Once that,
once that's taken care of in there, you can want it for other people.
You can want them to have this thing and be so excited for them when they have
it, but that can't be your fuel.
Can't be the engine or anything. It can't, it,
it can have nothing whatsoever to do with, um,
with the source from which everything is being birthed.
So hopefully that makes sense. Um, okay.
I've already, oh, wow. I've already said that. Okay. So I'm going to leave the,
the, well, no, I'm,
uh, oh no, I've already, I've already touched it. I've already touched on it.
I thought, oh no,
I really probably need to squeeze this in because it goes with this,
with this topic. Um, before we cut it off and go into the second half,
the second half, we'll take just a five minute break.
And if anybody wants a drink or to any facilities, and then, um,
we will then come back and we'll talk about leadership.
They actually have leadership. Um,
I'll be talking about my own testimony and the wild things that I experienced
in when I was leading a group of about 45 people and, um,
and how they were, uh, how they started out,
how this group of people started out not respecting me and how I had to,
um, how I had, the Lord had to teach me trial by fire,
how to become a leader to a deeper it with a deeper understanding that I'd have
this far. Um, and it was just so eyeopening,
more eyeopening than any of the previous leadership stuff that I'd learned in
the past, that everything just totally felt like it totally changed based on
this, um, this one, um, project that I was part of.
And so I'll be talking about that. Um, and, um,
then, um, yeah,
and then we'll just be going into some other aspects of leadership.
Then we will have the Q and A. So, uh,
I'm just going to leave this running,
but I'm going to turn my mic and my video off, but I will, um, still here.
And, um, we will be back at eight.
Oh, wow. Okay. I'm a little, I'm a little confused. Okay.
So we'll be back in five minutes, which according to this clock says 815,
according to that clock, sorry, 817, according to that one, it says 815,
regardless it's five minutes. I'll see y'all y'all in just a minute.
Okay.
you
all right, excuse me, we're back
excuse me, okay, so talking about leadership
again, it could be clients, it could be your employer, if you're a network marketing, it could be your upline or your downline
remember leadership is related to spiritual leadership, it's in who it is that we are in a position where we are in Christ
and then from that perspective we are speaking as a son of God into creation
whether it be to a human soul, I mean to a human soul or a business system or whatever
specifically tonight we're going to be talking about talking to other human souls
so as a leader in a business environment specifically because that's what we're talking about tonight
the leader's responsibility is to not control, is to actually bear responsibility
it's not meant to create a result
he is meant to create an environment that supports those underneath him
or that supports the business system or whatever
that is what a leader does, a leader actually is
is there to create an environment, not to get a result.
Now that's very difficult.
And trust me, I know from personal experience
of having worked in these situations,
where you're in a situation where the business
that the people above you are expecting a particular result
and they're holding you responsible for results,
but you're not a leader.
And I've had to actually walk this out.
I had to choose that I was going to operate
as a true leader should, not according to what it was
that they were holding me accountable for.
And by doing that, kind of like seeking the kingdom,
if you seek the kingdom first
and all these things will be added into you,
the same principle.
If I operated as a leader that provided
the right environment for my people,
then they got the results.
In fact, they over-delivered every time.
It was amazing.
So by not actually, goodness,
by not actually focusing on the thing,
but by focusing on what we would think of as the opposite
or as just kind of a luxury, I actually got the result.
Because in creating an environment,
what it is that you're doing
is you were preparing something to be birthed.
That's what you're doing.
Think of our relationship with the Lord,
where he's, if you think about our relationship
for like male and female, Christ, his bride,
male, female, masculine, feminine,
where the masculine initiates.
And in God, in the case of the Lord, he provides word.
We, as the female bride of Christ, we receive that word.
And then we provide our own seed.
And so the two seeds together actually conceive something,
but who, where's the seed
and that conjoined seed actually implanted?
Whose field is it implanted in?
The woman's.
It's planted in the female
and then the female nurtures it
during the gestation period and then births it.
So we're taking the leadership position,
excuse me, and the situation
and the fact that we are providing an environment
of protection and provision for the people
because the seed, in other words,
and what will result from the seed,
like what is actually supposed to be birthed,
that will be housed in,
planted in the field of the employees
or the client or whoever,
and then it will be nurtured there by them
and then it will be delivered by them.
So we can't micromanage anything.
And if we leave it alone,
it will actually perform best.
So our responsibility is to prepare the environment
so that whatever is being,
whatever is being nurtured or what have you,
and during the gestation period
can actually have what it needs in order to function
according to the way it was always intended to function.
And it knows how to do its job.
It doesn't have to be micromanaged.
We see this all throughout principles of science,
that we don't have to micromanage our own bodies.
We don't have to tell our bodies how to,
in fact, we have to go to school
to learn how our bodies function.
I mean, they just function on their own.
We don't have to micromanage them.
We don't have to tell them how to breathe.
We don't have to tell the cells how to duplicate.
We don't have to tell DNA how to,
and RNA how to do their thing.
And I think it's the RNA,
is it the RNA that reads the DNA?
Is that right?
Do I have that correct?
And that unzips the DNA and then reads it
and then copies it and does all of this stuff.
We didn't have to micromanage all of that.
We don't do all of that.
It knows how to function,
but what we need to do is we need to provide it
with an environment, including with our soul
and what it is that we believe,
because our body's going to visibly manifest
what it is that we actually believe.
We provided an environment
that allows it to actually be successful.
So we provide for and protect it.
We create an umbrella with our authority.
That's what we use our authority and power for as a leader.
to create an umbrella of protection so that to protect them from outside forces coming in
corrupting with messing, messing it, messing with it, threatening it.
And it also means that we deal with anything that uprises in the in the middle of it,
you know, front from from the inside as well, because that can be very damaging.
And we just provide we seek to provide a healthy environment for them to do what they need to do
and what they know how to do best, better than we know how, how it should be done.
That's why they have that position. They're not
cogs in a wheel. They are not machines that a leader is manipulating.
The leader actually, it's so odd that leaders are usually, usually rise that through the
ranks because they performed at their jobs very well. But being a leader, you don't actually do
the job anymore. As a leader, you provide an environment that facilitates it's everything
such that all of their needs are met so that they can they don't have to expend all of their effort
and energy trying to provide for and protect themselves. They can just do their job because
you're providing for and protecting them. You are being God to them, so to speak. And the fact that
we're looking up, we're looking like our own father, just like God does that for us. We are
looking like our father and we're we're copying our father and he's does that with us. We're like,
OK, so we'll do that for our kingdom and we provide and we do that as well.
So we're not supposed to we are not to micromanage. We're actually to guide.
And that's what we that what we do for others, just like I talked about with perspective and
perspective clients, we empower them. We when when you're talking about employees or your downline
or I know can even be your vendors could even be your bosses. I have done this with my bosses
many, many, many times and provided a safe environment for them to make mistakes.
That's what a leader does, provides them a safe environment to make mistakes. And that's a good
segue to talk about to tell you about the experience that I had. I was I was the lowest
man on the totem pole. Yes, Michelle. Yeah. You're like children as well. Correct. I was I was a
manager of a project of about 45 people, something like that. And I was the lowest man on the totem
pole. And for a bunch of detail that I won't go into, I oh, well, no, no, actually, y'all are
already familiar with it. You remember me talking about that, that verbally, verbally abusive
situation I was in. This was that situation. Well, before I had written before I've been
promoted to the point of being a peer with him, I was, like I said, the lowest man on the totem
pole. And they did not that everybody liked me until he showed that he didn't respect my work.
He didn't think that I did a good job and all of that. And he would publicly say this and he
and he would just get on to me and treat me honestly, very much like a like a little child.
And so they were because they because they were intimidated by him and they respected him,
then whatever it is that he believes they're going to think must be right.
So while everybody liked me as a person, people did not respect me or my role, especially when
I got to be a peer with him and was actually was actually managing the project and telling
them what to do. So I had to then go from having no one respect me to figure out, OK, how do I get
this job done and how can I turn the table so that they do respect me? And I and I couldn't
figure it out for the life of me. No one had any good suggestions other than other than force
and other than making them. And, you know, whatever other worldly advice they were giving me
at the time. And so I I didn't have a precedent. I didn't couldn't even think of someone in my life
that I had known had been in a situation similar to mine that could tell me what it is that they
had that I had that I knew that they'd handled in a particular way. And I thought, oh, that
that's how I think God does does it. And so I would like to learn. I didn't have that. And so
I just had to obviously do what any of us should do. I just asked the Lord, Lord, how do I handle
the situation? And and so he began to tell me how to handle the verbally abusive situation
and how partly how I handled that. That brought respect for my team, but also how I treated them,
because.
understand that they were always very kind to me,
but they did not treat me with respect,
and I had to, just like I had to with the man,
I had to treat them with respect,
and I had to be humble,
even though I am their manager,
I had to be humble in how I interacted with them.
I had to continue to stay in my position,
and I wasn't at one of their peers,
and I wasn't below them.
I was in my position,
but I was a very humble learner,
and I would constantly ask their advice,
constantly ask their opinion.
I would tell them what it is that I wanted them to do,
and then they would say,
well, actually, actually,
actually, we think that we should do this,
da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
and so I'd ask them,
okay, why is that?
And so they would tell me,
and so they'd explain it to me and whatever,
and so I'd understand the best of my ability,
whether or not I thought it would be a good idea,
and sometimes I didn't think it would be a good idea,
it depended on the situation
as to whether I would say,
I really appreciate that,
I think it's actually,
I think that in such and such a situation,
we can do that,
but in this particular situation,
we better do this one,
and then I would have veto rights,
and so whatever I said went,
so that's what we would do,
but very often, in fact,
what ended up usually happening
is I would ask them for their,
they would tell me what it is they thought,
sometimes I would ask them,
well, do y'all think that this is a good idea,
this is the idea that I came up with,
or maybe I wouldn't come up with an idea,
and I would tell them,
what do y'all think?
I wanna know what y'all think,
y'all are in there,
day in and day out,
y'all see all of these systems,
what do you see?
Do you see any,
I spoke in such a way that I,
to let them know I expected them to be wise,
I expected good things from them,
not that, oh, I believed that they could,
or I know that they have potential,
no, that's patronizing,
no, I had to actually believe
that they really make good decisions,
even if I didn't agree with all of the decisions
all of the time,
but that they were good decision makers,
that they were good at their job,
and I valued that,
and I had to truly be the thing,
remember, I had to actually believe it,
I had to own it,
I had to put on my own oxygen mask first,
otherwise they'd see right through it,
so, well, I mean,
that's not the reason that you shouldn't do it,
you shouldn't do it because you shouldn't do it,
but also in addition,
they can't see right through all of that,
but so I would ask them,
okay, well, what do you think?
And so they'd tell me,
and often when I would think,
I don't think that that's a good idea,
I would want to sow into them,
and to let them know that,
and to allow them to contribute,
because this project was not mine,
it was all of ours,
and I would tell them that all of the time,
I was constantly trying to be given,
the team did so well,
that as a manager in that particular company,
the way that it works is,
I was the one who got all the,
would get the rewards,
get the awards,
because, and sometimes,
I'm trying to think if there were any monetary rewards
for all of that,
there were definitely like awards, recognition, et cetera,
and I would get them,
and because that's how that particular company worked,
is the manager would get them,
well, I didn't think that that was,
I didn't think it was truthful,
I mean, like I genuinely did not think it was truthful,
and so therefore,
I would give that award to the team,
and I would do an award ceremony for the team,
and give them those awards,
because I would remind them,
look, we all do this together,
we all come up with these good ideas,
we're all in various parts of it,
we together are what makes this actually work,
we have fun together,
and we treat each other with respect,
and this is going to be all of us together,
this isn't me,
y'all are the ones that came up with these great ideas,
that ended up succeeding,
so this award is for all of us,
so, I mean,
we actually have to believe the thing in the Lord,
so I would pour into them by thinking,
I want them to actually,
I want them to continue to come up with good ideas,
I want them to be interested,
invested in their job,
and feel that they own their own job,
dadgummit,
that their manager does not own their job,
they get to own their job,
they get to own their tasks,
they get to own their responsibility,
they will do so much better with it,
sure, they're gonna make mistakes,
and sure, they're gonna make unwise decisions sometimes,
but the vast,
for one thing,
the safer environment that we make
for people to make mistakes,
the fewer mistakes they make,
let me pull this out,
let me plug in my iPhone,
it's deciding it wants to die again,
but anyway.
So I would tell them,
okay, then let's go with your idea.
And I said, let's do that.
And they could tell sometimes
that I didn't agree with it.
But not that I ever acted like that,
but they could kind of tell by,
you know, little things here and there.
You know, sometimes people just know in the spirit,
okay, well, they don't actually,
they're concerned that this may not actually be
the right idea because understand that
when you're investing in someone,
you're not investing in their idea.
You're investing in them,
who it is that they are as a person.
That's what it is that you're pouring into.
And the way that they're getting that picture
and that expression in that moment
is the fact that you're saying that we can do your idea,
but you're not investing in the idea.
You're investing in the person who came up with it.
You're investing in their contributory power.
You're showing the fact that you value that
and that you continue to invite more of that.
And because if you show that you're open to it,
they take ownership and responsibility of their job more,
even to the point where if they make their own mistakes,
they will come and tell you themselves
because they understand that they're safe with you
because you actually value them
as opposed to them always having to defend themselves
against you.
Instead, I put myself in a position
where I always defended them against everyone else.
So my team had to know that they were safe with me.
And that means that if they made mistakes,
guess whose head was on the chopping block?
With my boss and their boss and their boss.
Because I would generally work very, very closely
with all three levels.
And then sometimes they would even work
with the fourth level up, which is the vice president.
Excuse me.
But regardless for whether it was three or four levels,
it was all the time, very close.
And my head was on the chopping block if it didn't work.
And if it didn't work,
I didn't tell them who had made the mistake.
In fact, I didn't even tell them
that they had made a mistake.
I would take ownership as this is me as part of the team.
And this is what happened.
This is what we did.
This is how it happened.
But I would put myself with them as opposed to,
well, I told them that that wasn't a good idea.
I didn't.
And so they knew that even if they made mistakes
that I would take, that I would bear the weight of that.
I would bear the responsibility of that.
So they felt safe with me.
So you see that a leader provides,
just using all, just my own personal example
as a story that you can hopefully,
that will hopefully help to drive this idea home,
that I've actually lived in some very extreme situations.
And y'all might remember that this happened to be a project
that was one of the only projects out of however many,
I don't know, several hundred thousands,
if not millions of projects
that were going on in that company.
And one of the few that were actually reported
on a regular basis to the man who owned the company
of half a million people worldwide.
And so these were not small,
these were not small risks that I was taking.
I was choosing people over a project.
Now you have to balance it in the fact that,
is you have to balance the situation, figure out,
okay, well, to make sure that whatever responsibility
that you're giving to someone can,
are they to the point where they're mature enough
in their job, in their emotional response,
in their emotions, whatever,
are they mature enough to bear the responsibility
of the fact that you are giving them
of by you agreeing to carry,
that they can carry out their idea.
You don't wanna give a knife to a two-year-old.
Now, so there are certain things
that you can give to a two-year-old, not a knife,
but other things you can give to a two-year-old
that you don't leave the two-year-old alone
in the room with, but you allow them
in a protective and safe environment
to learn how to use the thing.
But you don't leave them alone with it.
But, so you can do that,
but there are certain things that you,
but just because you do that,
does it mean that you can give anything to a two-year-old?
So don't think that just because someone comes,
that what I'm saying is that just
because someone comes up with an idea
or a client wants to do something,
or comes up with an idea, or I don't know,
whatever the situation may be,
that just because someone comes up with it,
that in order for you to sew into it and sew into them,
that the answer is always that you have to agree
with their idea, agree to go along with their idea.
No, you're weighing multiple things here
because you also have to continue
to provide a safe environment in which for them to operate.
what it is that they've just done could either damage them in a very major way. If it damages
them a little bit and it damaged the project a little bit, then those are the types of risks
that I would take. But if it would like destroy them or destroy you or not you,
it destroyed the project, well then it would destroy the environment that you're trying
to create for them. So it's actually not for their best. So there's just different things
that you're weighing in here. So don't make a tried and true perfect one-way formula for
what I'm saying. Take a broader context from what I'm describing here. So let's see.
What else was I going to say about that? But it was to the point where I would even tell my
bosses no. If they, I was providing me a protective environment such for my employees
that they, that my bosses were holding me responsible for providing a protective environment
for them, for them, you know, so that they, so that the employees could get a particular result
and all and whatever. So if they, if that was what they had told me to do, I would choose that
over new direction that they would give me that actually would destroy the thing that they told
me to protect. So if they came up with an idea that would actually destroy the higher thing
that they had told me to do, which was to make sure that the people were protected, and no,
they hadn't told me that. I'm just saying that that is the position that I had to realize that
I was in. And so I had to choose that over the particular ins and outs of, and instructions
of what it is they wanted and why. I would sometimes have to tell them no.
There were other times that they just put their foot down and they insisted and this is how it
was going to be. So I would set up the expectation of what it is that they could expect
from us following that so that there was that clear expectation. But then I would mention the
same, I wouldn't also set an expectation for the team because it can seem then that something is
coming in to be able to attack them, but I needed them to understand that's part of the protective
environment that I was continuing to provide for them is, okay, this thing is coming in,
and you now need to know what it is that I expect of you. That this, yes, we do know that these
things can happen and that these things will happen, and that we're not going to like the
result because we all know that they shouldn't, that the upper lines shouldn't have made these
decisions, but they're requiring that we go through with it. So we are going to do it,
but I just want you to know that I am fully aware on the outside and I just want you to
do your best. I just want you to do as good of a job as you know how to do to get a positive,
valuable, as good of a scenario result as you can get for them, even though you don't agree with it.
You put your best into it and you honor them, and that's all that I'm asking. I'm not asking for
you to make it work because we all don't know how to get it to work, but I'm asking you to try
your darndest to try to get it to succeed, and that is all that I'm going to require,
but I'm not going to hold you responsible for it not working. Now, I didn't use that language. I
don't remember exactly what language that I would use because I would have to be in the actual
situation, but I needed them to know that they and the results of their hands were still safe
with me. Otherwise, they think, well, wait a minute. I was just going to think, you know,
you know, she's just giving me the impossible to do, and then she's going to hold me responsible
for the fact that I didn't hit the impossible. So because it can look like a threat that's coming
in from the outside, I'm having to set up a new type of, and I expect, re-communicate the fact
of how it is that I'm now providing, that I am continuing to provide them a protective and safe
environment for them to feel safe in their jobs, safe with me, etc. So I had to set up those types
of expectations, but anyway, well, some of the stuff I have not thought all about in a very long
time, and you're providing a supportive environment for them to rise up, not be raised up. You're not
raising up your employees. You're setting up an environment for them to choose to rise to.
So I would speak, I would treat people according to how it is that I saw them in.
And with my spiritual eyes, according to how it is that I saw them in the spirit, even
if they weren't acting like it yet, and then when I continue to operate like that and talk
with them like that, they would eventually over time, and it might take a while, trust
me, I'm fully aware of time passing and not seeing results, trying to say in very difficult
situations.
And if you feel like you're having to bear all the consequences, trust me, I'm fully
aware, but you give it, you're investing in people, you're not trying to get a result,
you're pouring into people, and they will eventually rise.
It is so neat to watch, it is absolutely wild.
That now they all get to choose, I've had certain relationships that I was in that did
not choose to rise, and that poor little thing, in fact, as soon as my situation was over
with, I was over for, for that man, that was, that was abusing me.
And he and I got to be just like the best of friends, I mean, the best buds, we were
very, very tight.
As after that was over, I went from what felt like the front from, from the frying pan into
the fire.
Because the person that I literally sat next to, started to hate me.
I mean, hate me.
And I'm thinking, I'm not used to people.
Lord, what do I do?
I'm just like, Oh, my Lord, I just finished the other situation.
So okay, now I know, from having gone through that situation, how do you want me to handle
this one?
But the reason that that one was so difficult for the other person is, I had boundaries.
And, and meaning that I had, and they, and they didn't, with their work.
And I, and they, they were, they would, they emotionally held that against me, oh, my word,
the animosity.
Oh, my.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sitting in the same cubicle with them, you can feel it, you can feel that,
feel the hate.
It was pretty, pretty extreme.
And we didn't turn out like that.
So all of a sudden happened.
Anyway.
So, um, but yes, a lot, a lot went on in that, in that, in that interesting places, which
you believe it was actually an amazing company to work for and with, and my time there was
amazing.
But I went through some very, very big trials while I was there.
But like I said, let them rise up and encourage them and empower them to rise up so that they're
not relying on you.
You're not raising them up.
You're providing them with an environment that makes it easier for them to make choices,
very difficult choices that they've been able to have the courage to make this for.
That's what you're, that's what you're doing for them.
And there's an, and it's, it's, it's difficult to provide, to have the leadership where you're
willing to sacrifice yourself to, to, um, to provide a type of environment for someone
that feels like not only are they threatening you, you know, and attacking you, but that
also they're trying to destroy the environment that you're trying to create.
And so all of this can just feel like, you know, just, just like Jesus, like we, we,
he was, he was loving us and dying for us while we were killing him.
And so we're called to do the same thing for others.
So if ever you find you're finding yourself thinking, oh my word, this is so hard.
This is not fair.
Jesus knows he's been through that with you and look at that turned out great turned out
wonderful.
So, um, all right, so you're sewing into them.
You are making it and making it a safe place for them to make mistakes by taking on a certain
aspect of responsibility does not mean that they won't bear consequences of their decisions.
It just means that, um, there's an aspect of the, um, uh, an aspect of the responsibility
that you take.
Um, and, uh, you know, I won't go too deep into that.
Um, okay.
So the last thing that I want to talk about before we get into the, uh, Q and a, cause
I want to make sure we've got plenty of time for the Q and a is how to specifically handle
difficult, uh, people, difficult clients, difficult employees, vendors, who are bosses.
I go in this category to remember, oh, you know, all of these things already, we've talked
about them multiple times, but we're going to go through them again.
Always put on your own oxygen mask first.
If you don't put on your own oxygen mask first, anything that you want for your business or
your clients or your employees won't work period.
I mean, from a place of rest.
Now you can get something to work if you use the truth, knowledge of good and evil and
you, and you do all of that.
I mean, yeah, you can get all kinds of results, but, um, we're talking specifically about
how to do things.
from a place of rest and as learning how to do it at greater levels whenever we uh if we choose to
and for that remember that in everything you have to put on your own oxygen mask first.
We can't want something for someone for someone else um without having to go through the thing
ourselves first. Not at the same time first. So if you want to create a business because you want
something for someone else you will have to go through it first. You can't go through it at the
same time. I mean there's an aspect of us learning things at the same time sure but what I'm talking
about is I'm talking about the fact that you have you can only get what it is that you have so you
have to have it first. So you have to walk through and ahead if you want to provide something for
someone else you have to go ahead of them and um and they're going to have it easier and you're
going to have it harder and that is what it is that you sacrifice and give um of yourself. So
you put it on your own oxygen mask first so that you can have something to give to them. It's not
why you do it. You do it completely devoid of them regardless of them. You put on your own
oxygen mask first between you and the lord but then you also now have that then to be able to
give them. When they're coming when difficult people are coming to you uh how to interact
with them. I've talked to the talked to this you know so much about seeing them in the spirit
seeing who it is that they are in spirit as opposed to in the brokenness in which they're
coming to you. I think I usually do this like brokenness in which they're coming to you we're
thinking that they're you know their identities and their soul or their body. If you're talking
to this person you're acknowledging all their woes and whatever well then it's not calling them to
rise up. You have to be looking at this and talking to this person to their spirit in order for them
to have something to rise up to. The reason they're not up there is they don't know it exists.
So you're talking to it sheds light on it and helps them realize oh my word I didn't realize
that that was there on the corner. You know I didn't realize that that was that that was there
now that I know it there well I want it. So they'll voluntarily of their own volition choose
whether or not they want to to own um and whether or not they want to make the decision
of of doing what they need to do and releasing what they need to release in order to shift into
that place and rise up. And so you'll want to talk to that person and as far as like how you
actually do it a couple of things that are hopefully helpful especially for someone who's
being very very difficult with you is they're basically coming to you wanting you to judge
the situation. Wanting you to judge um not necessarily them but well you are judging them but
okay so let me say it this way because I think it'll make it easier to understand.
They are calling you to judge them but whether you're calling you to judge they're calling you
wanting you to judge is is to is in discernment of whether what it is that they're doing and who
it is that they are not what is they're doing really but who it is that they are is right that
it's all okay that it's appropriate that it's accurate that it's the correct decision that
it's whatever they're wanting you to actually judge it um and um excuse me so judge it but
judge it as the son of god with discernment meaning that if they are doing something that
you don't agree with how they're doing it you can judge and and call attention to highlight
praise and affirm and speak to their this the the spirit in which they are acting that is actually
reflective of their father's character even though the way that they're operating that how
they're actually um fueling that thing is from fear so you're not affirming the fear in which
they're operating oops you're not affirming the fear in which they're operating you're actually
just affirming the spirit of the lord in them and you're affirming the aspects in which they are
reflecting his character even though they're doing it right now through uh through fear
and the result that they're getting is um desire or what it is that they're desiring out of the
result is to provide for and protect themselves you're not affirming that you're speaking to
when i talk about judging it basically discerning it calling it out and shedding light on it and
reflecting of the truth yes calling out their hundred fold yes exactly what you are doing is
you are just affirming cubitus that they are truly in the spirit the seed of their actual identity
not where they
think that their identity is. So judge that, in other words, discern that and talk to that as
opposed to talking about what it is they shouldn't be doing and whatever. There is a time and a place
for that, but that the time and the place for that comes when you've created an environment
in which they feel safe with you that they can receive it. If they do not feel safe with you,
then they will receive the insight and wisdom as condemnation and they will usually come out
fighting and it can create tremendous amount of shame. They can choose to receive it as a
tremendous amount of shame. In their defense, they might come out swinging, but then when they go
back, they can either, you know, and they're by themselves, they feel worse about themselves and
they're less likely to try. They're less, because you've proven in their minds that you aren't a
safe place for them to make mistakes. So yes, there's cleanup with, okay, it's kind of like
kids. When kids are learning to eat at the breakfast table, it is a very messy affair.
It just is. And there's a lot of milk that needs to be cleaned up and Cheerios that have to be
picked up out of the couch, you know, when they're eating them for a snack, you know, and there's
all kinds of cleanup. And so it looks like, if we think about it in a particular way, it's just,
it looks like destruction, it's disorder, it's whatever, but it's just all part of the process.
They're learning. Their faces get ridiculously messy when they are trying to learn how to eat,
they grab a whole fistful of spaghetti, try to shove it in there, it goes everywhere.
They're just learning. And so just because you know how to eat with a knife and a fork,
doesn't obligate them to at one and a half. So it's like that with emotionally immature
or professionally immature people. It's just going to look really messy. So when they are coming with
instead of focusing on all of the negative all of the time, like what it is they shouldn't be doing,
or how that was a really bad idea. Yes, in certain situations, if you're if you're a boss,
you have to mention those things. But I'm talking about like focusing on it. It's important that
you've created enough of a safe environment that they don't take this as shame. And they don't take
that, that they don't take it as, as, as condemnation. But it's so important to sew
into them tremendously. By, by call it by always talking to who it is that they are
in actual spirit. And in part of how you can do that is speaking to and affirming
the aspects of themselves that are good, that came out and manifested themselves in a mistake.
Just because it's a mistake, doesn't mean that what it is that it was coming out of originally,
and I mean, like beyond the fear, I mean, because it's coming out of fear, but beyond the fear,
what was coming out? Well, you know, sometimes people make mistakes and it has nothing whatsoever
to do with fear, they're just learning. But I'm talking about it more of a situation that we think
of as a really big, bad mistake where, where, I don't know, that they did something that they
knew that they weren't supposed to do or, or, or whatever. So we're talking about something that
actually we think of as very, very negative. And, or that there was some kind of a malicious intent
or feeling in it. And so I'm using, you know, me, I like to use more extreme examples to let us all
know that these that what it is I talk about lies in across everything, including extreme examples.
So including extreme situations, anyway, that they, that even when it's something that,
that we think comes from a more of a negative place, but where, what, what aspects of the
character of the Lord are they actually putting on display? They're just not operating in it in a
very effective way. Say they, the, maybe they knocked on it. It was like a kid knocking something
off the table while they showed a tremendous amount of power there, but they knocked the,
the full glass of milk off the table and they need to learn not to do that again. Right. But
they didn't stay, especially in a situation like they didn't intend to, but oh my word,
they were very, very powerful. Right. So it's really kind of a weird, weird example to mention.
moment that kind of like that kind of idea think about that you know in a when you're talking to
about a person who's made a mistake whether it's malicious or not about honoring and acknowledging
that the good things in them and helping them know that those that you're not stifling and
rejecting who it is that they are that actually who it is that they are is a good thing but they
need to guide it in a particular way and the way that they guided it can actually create damage for
themselves instead of something positive for themselves which is what they were trying to do
they were trying to get a positive result for themselves including if they did it out of fear
and provision production they were trying to get a positive result for themselves but whatever it
is that they did won't get them a positive result so you're you're helping to guide them
that hey what it is that they were that that the aspect of character that they were exemplifying
just needs to be guided in a different way to get them the type of result that they're actually
wanting so it's that kind of thing um second thing that i wanted to mention is um get what
they're lacking uh if they are coming to you and they could be complaining about i don't know well
you know uh someone said that i was working with today they treated me like this and they did this
and then instead of telling them that they should be convinced instead of trying to convince them
that they should know differently or believe differently actually give them what it is that
that's a lack in their lives that they are trying to use this situation to fulfill they're trying to
get that situation to make them feel loved or to make them feel secure because it made them feel
very insecure or made them feel very unloved or whatever so therefore they just need to be loved
therefore they need to they need to be given security not told where they can go get it not
told that they should believe differently not tell them that well god tells you differently
i mean how many times people have told us that and how and how's that worked for out for us
you know it just doesn't help when somebody says yeah well it says in scripture okay that's great
i know that it has not helped they need to actually be given it you know give them love
actually love them don't tell them where they need to go get it and i and this is the scripture
reference that i always refer to you know someone comes to you cold or hungry you know send them
off and say oh may the lord warn you and may give you food may supply what it is you need god said
no give them a coat feed them they say that they're in need do something about it it requires
you to do something so either the person had to pay money to go and get a coat or they had to
give them their own so they're now without a coat or they're with or they have two coats and they
give me other i don't know whatever the situation was it actually required something of themselves
so the same thing with all of your clients employees employers vendors whoever when you
want something for someone else or they come to you with a need if you want to be part of the
process you have to have something out of you that is given you're part of the process isn't
to steer them in another direction because well that shows that you're very wise because you knew
where they were they could go get it no it requires you to be the one to give it to them
meaning that it needs to come out of you and now the nice thing is you're not going to have lack
because it's going to come out of you it's not like you only have so much love and you only have
so much security and you only have so much of i will not abandon you you know you don't only have
like you're not limited god says that you know that will that when we are filled with him we
never thirst again because we have rivers of living water that come out of us there's no end
to it remember our hands are open in the river of the spirit therefore we get to experience all of
this spirit as opposed to only having bits of it we get to have all of it it's limitless we are the
son living on the father's estate we whatever he has has always been ours so we're not ever in lack
of it but but if you would like to tell if you would like to submit yourself to the lord in
people's lives um then uh to be part of their journey that helped something click for them
and that you were part of the journey where their life was transformed it actually requires
something out of yourself not because you knew where they could go get it
it requires it requires you to you to give it from you and not for you to go find it from
somewhere else give it to them no it has to come out of you
And the only way it can come out of you is if you have it first. So you have to get it first.
You know, in other words, you have to put yourself in that vulnerable position with the Lord
in order to gain that intimacy through which you can receive the thing. So to speak,
in other words, we already have it, but you know what, we're actually choosing now to receive it.
Then we have it to actually pour out to other people's lives and be able to give it to them.
So that is going to cover it.
Now, we can have set aside time for the Q&A. So I'm going to unmute people.
And oh, wow, I've been apparently missing chats, maybe. Oh, no. Good. Hi.
Okay. All right. Let me see if I can unmute everybody. Or not unmute everybody, but allow
you to unmute yourselves. Okay. All right. So does anyone have any questions that they would
like to start us off with? I do, Ashley.
Because I actually just went through this today. So somebody reached out to me that I
hadn't heard from in a little bit. And she, you know, had a new situation, and we were chatting
and visiting. And then kind of just like, all of a sudden, she was like, okay, well, you know,
I appreciate that. But here's where I am right now. I really just don't want you to share those
things with me anymore. It was about Christ. I know. I was like, what? I was so glad I was on
the phone. Because there was no way I could have hidden my reaction. I was like, oh, and she's like,
you know, I'm sure that comes out of left field. But like, I don't want to hear any more of A,
about Christ. I want to, I only want to tell I only want you to hear where I'm at,
kind of with Christ. Oh, okay. And one of the questions that she explained,
like some of the carpet experiences, she's like, I don't want to hear about the carpet
experiences anymore. It's more than I can process. It's made me feel lied to. And I just need to hear
about the Christ that I've always felt safe with. And so listening to you tonight, I'm like,
oh, well, I said no, I met with her later on in the day, I was able to have coffee with her,
go for a walk with her later on in the day, because I just needed the love on her. But I was
like, okay, you know, a lot more verbiage and a lot more where she's at, you know, in a really
broken place. And I'm like, can I just ask you, which now listening to you, I'm like, okay,
that was probably totally wrong. So my question is twofold. How do I go back from the mistake I may
have made today? And asking her, if you know that there's, if you know that you're learning more
freeing, more wonderful things about Jesus, why does that make you feel lied to and betrayed?
And she kind of couldn't answer that. She's like, I don't know, because I just need to be mad right
now. And I was like, okay. And this is such an interesting person. I need to meet this person.
I love it. She's so honest, because she's saying the things that we all think.
So I'm finding her very fascinating, whoever this person is. Yeah, I like her, whoever she is.
I do too. I just adore her. But I was like, okay, well, you know, so do you want to keep talking to
me about Jesus? Because if you don't, I've got some great books. I've got some great people.
I'm like, there's this girl. I did. I told her about you. I told her about Chris. I'm like,
and she was like, well, I don't know. Let me think about it. I'm kind of,
I kind of just want to be mad at God right now. And I know he's okay with that. And I'm like,
you're right. He is. Okay. Talk to you soon. Yeah. Yes. I'm sorry. So what was your question?
You asked it. I forgot. Sorry. How can I, when she gives me the opportunity to,
I don't know if I need to repair that relationship or like, because I did kind of like, okay, well,
this is what you can do. Okay. Well, why do you feel that way? You know, the very, the,
the normal. Yeah. So it's actually, actually might sound like a really odd way to say this,
but it's actually really fun position for you to, for you to be in because you can know that
you are relieved of needing to do anything because she is going to, because what you can do
is you can actually give her what it is that she feels that she's lacking. So.
My goodness, there's so many things going on in my head. Okay, I mean, like, but I'm trying to say it and I'm like, Okay, one at a time. First of all, you're giving your, you can provide her with a safe environment.
You can provide her with a safe environment to just be, to be mad, to be broken, to be ugly about it, too. And I'm just, I'm just, you know, I don't know what she's what she if she's being ugly about it. I'm just saying that, you know, if it were that case, you know, to be ugly about it. Now, she's like being ugly to you as in like, verbally abusive, you know, in the relationship.
That's a little different. But you can provide a space for them there. Obviously have it at some point. But it doesn't, I'm saying I'm not saying that you have to put up with all kinds of behavior. I'm just talking like, if she's just upset, and she's not like, you know, directing it at you or whatever, unless being villainous,
then you can provide just a safe environment where she can actually be okay with you without changing. Because that can actually finally help her realize, okay, if I am not realized, but realize that, okay, I really truly am safe. Because we tell people that we're safe, but we don't allow them to be safe when they're not okay.
So if we finally show that they can't if we finally give them what it is that they need, which is safety and security and love and acceptance without conditions.
Because, because talking about it all in theory of hey, it's unconditional. It's great. But actually when we're in the middle of the thing that we would normally that we all of a sudden just got didn't realize, wait a minute, you know, these are conditions.
We tend to abandon them.
And anyway, so and I'm saying if the Lord has put this person on your heart, if he's not put this person on your heart, and this person is not for you, you don't have to like hang around them.
But I'm saying if God has put this person on your heart, and so you don't mind continuing to be around them, you know that God has given them to you during this time, then you can just be a place in which they realize that they're safe with you not being okay.
And that you don't.
Not only do you not require them to change, you don't try to help them change you fully accept them as if they if they never ever change from being exactly how they are.
They really will figure it out. They really will figure out that that's what that that is what you have chosen that you've chosen them, not you chosen them when they're okay, or you've chosen them being okay, or you've chosen them because of their potential.
You don't just choose them, who it is that they are they in their ugliness, and I'm just using that because you know if it's if it's such a situation where it's very extreme.
Even in their, in their ugliness about this situation can't threaten you.
So, what why do we worry when other people are ugly about something to matter around people who you know who are ugly about things, and it doesn't bother me.
If I remember who it is that I am, because I'm not, I'm not there, I'm there for them I'm not there in that situation in that relationship to be entertained.
Because that's conditional.
And if that is some of our relationships and that's fine, you know, God hasn't given us every single person in the world, you know, but for particular people that he has given us to that he has given for us to love on and to be there for whatever they've given you the grace for.
Then you can, you can be a safe place for them to be who it is that they are, whereas they are in them when they fought when they realize that they're safe where they are, and that they don't have to change.
Then it finally gives them the courage. Now that they realize the reason they don't want to leave is they don't feel safe. And so they're like, Oh my goodness, you know, this is as much security as I'm able to conjure up out of my environment for myself.
I really don't want to stay out there, step out there because that's where I'm not safe. So if we show them that they're, they're safe here they finally start to get the courage that, well maybe I'd be safe there too.
And they finally have the courage to start stepping out into something new.
But if it's providing a safe place for people to make mistakes, including making mistakes in the so called spirit and six and soul, making mistakes in the metaphysical being ugly about it, you know, being ugly in there and in the fact that they're just I mean just having this like
I'm just mad and I'm just angry and I was like you say said it all of these lies.
You know, just, just allowing it to be okay without having to feel threatened by somebody else's behavior, or somebody else's belief.
So, and that will, that's the way that we all imagine, and we all know that Jesus is
with us.
And if that's who we're supposed to exemplify, well, he's already given us the example.
And so that's apparently what we do.
So, does that help?
Yes, it does.
It reminded me of several things and gave me some new things.
Thank you.
Yes.
Good.
She loves you because, I can tell that she loves being around you because of how she
feels about herself when she's around you.
And so you're already providing that kind of environment for her.
And you already, in other words, you already are enough.
You don't have to know something that she doesn't know and give it to her.
You being who it is that you are, is what's giving something to her.
And you can allow that to be enough, even for you.
That's so good.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
So, and did I answer all the questions?
Is that all the questions?
Yeah, you did.
Okay.
Okay, good.
Did someone else have a question?
I think a few people, yeah, so a few people on, a few people had to leave already.
Did anyone else have a question?
Let me see if I'm missing something in the chat.
Sorry, if anybody has a question, feel free to ask it.
I'm just looking through this chart real quick.
Okay.
Someone came back in.
If nobody else has a question.
Yeah, go for it.
Yeah, it doesn't look like anyone has a question right now.
There was one at the very beginning of the chat that I thought was really, but I'm like,
oh, and I think she's had to log off.
And it was, why is movement important to God?
Like I thought of some reasons that I thought movement is important.
I'm like, that's a, that's a good question.
I'm like, yeah, I'd like to hear, cause you can say it so much more eloquently.
Why movement?
Oh, I don't know about that.
Cause we all, we all, we're all in spirit.
We all, it's all the same racial.
The, so because God is spirit with capital S, God is spirit.
And, and spirit is always in movement and life is in movement.
So it's, it's the very nature of God to always be moving because it's the,
it's the property and aspect of spirit itself.
So that's why movement is always very, very important to the Lord.
Instead of stagnation, instead of yeah.
I mean, even the universe is expanding.
The universe itself is always in, is always moving, moving.
So it's not just in, it's,
it's not that just everything in the universe is moving.
The universe itself is moving.
And what else is, is it.
Is it our galaxy?
That's moving through space as well.
Something's moving through space.
Trying to remember there's something. So, I mean, just everything.
And all of these different fascinating aspects.
It's not just that the planets are, are moving like this,
but they're moving around the sun.
And then, and then I think that that.
Is it the, and then of course our solar system is in,
it's in the galaxy and I believe that the Milky way galaxy,
I thought was actually moving through space.
Something is moving through space where you're just kind of like,
well, it's just that kind of oddest thing.
You know, but even the universe itself is moving.
It's expanding in God. That's the, that's an example.
I believe of, of the Lord.
God is always expanding and we're in him and we're always expanding
everything.
It's a,
because it's of the very nature and essence of that of which it was
born, which is spirit.
And spirit always has to move because in movement, there's life.
If I want something ceases to move.
Because movement is a property of life.
When something ceases to move that that is death.
Stagnation.
And so it's a, it's a,
it's a process of movement in the earth through business relationships,
finances.
So there's lots of movement.
Another question that she had.
Was.
I want them to get there. Okay. She said.
She said, I want them to get their money's worth when I work with them.
So we ended up in a trying space to serve them, invest in them, etc.
Okay. So that's because it's, it's going, it's from a foundation.
It can trip us up if we're coming at it from the belief in the foundation that the point
of business is money.
Or that what's going on there in our interaction with the client is a transaction.
It's not a transaction.
It is a transaction according to the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
According to certain principles, yes.
But if we're wanting to operate by rest, then, so if we're wanting to operate by the tree
of knowledge of good and evil and operate believing that we're subject to the laws and
rules and whatever, yes, we want them to get their money's worth.
It's a transaction.
It's whatever.
And those principles are still in play.
They're not abolished because God didn't come to abolish the law.
He came to fulfill it.
So the law isn't abolished, even though we're shifted into rest, but we're not subject to
it.
So if we want to operate from a place of rest, we're not that our interactions with our clients
are not in exchange of service for money.
It's they are, excuse me, they are making an actual investment for themselves.
They are, let's see, what's another way to see it?
They're putting, obviously, their own skin in the game.
They're making their own decisions.
They're making their own movement towards the thing.
Again, movement, it generates movement.
That's what money is because it's creating movement back and forth between a client and
the owner of the business, but it's not, and from rest, it's not that it's this equal exchange
that we are, it's not this exchange where we think they are buying us or they are buying
something.
Everything, if it's being done from rest, it's being done from the kingdom of God and
everything from the kingdom of God has to be freely given and freely received.
It can't be bought.
Even if there is money involved, it's not the buying of a result because it can't be
bought if we're operating out of rest.
If we're operating out of rest and we in operating out of rest are, I don't know why the grammatical
way of wording that sentence, I lost it there, but that we are bringing the authority into
that place that the kingdom principles will supersede any other principles because we're
in the place of rest, we're in the kingdom, and therefore we are saying then because we're
coming at it from that position, we are then saying that it's kingdom principles that have
the higher, that have the higher power over any other laws and principles that could,
that could operate or be in operation, they will supersede them, but we have to actually
be in rest and come at it from, in order to be able to come at it, in order to bring
in that authority of the kingdom.
We can't just want it.
We actually have to be in the place and come from it in order for it to actual, in order
for us to put that authority of the kingdom principles being in it, that will then supersede
any, any other spiritual or earthly laws.
We can't just want it and claim it and decide that that's how it is.
We have to be it and remember, how do we be it?
We have to vulnerable, we have to be very vulnerable with the Lord and we have to vulnerably
present ourselves to him, releasing the things that we have been holding onto for our protection,
provision, security, you know, thought that it was giving us a sense that we were being
loved, liked, and comforted.
We have to release it and let it go.
And that's hard.
It's hard for all the reasons we haven't done it.
That's what we have to let go of in order to move to this place.
We can't simply move to this place because we claim it and want it without releasing.
It's the releasing that shifts us.
So I, yeah, so that's, that's my answer to that question.
I think that I answered all of all of those questions.
Let's see. Yeah, I did.
So does anyone have anything?
anything else before we go. If
we don't have anything else, we
can go. Yes, I have just just a
couple quick ones because I um a
couple things were said and I
just wanted to know what they
meant and that's maybe because I
haven't listened to it or heard
it. One of them was um releasing
the hundredfold. Oh, uh huh.
What is what is meant by that?
Okay. So, the hundredfold, you
know, it's a it's a it's a
concept that we have in our soul
and body as uh and uh that we
receive from the lord because
god's given us everything he's
given us a hundred but we only
receive from the lord according
to we only get to see manifest
in our life according to the
degree that we have of how much
of what he's given us that we've
chosen to receive and uh in the
whole thirty sixteen hundred
like thirty if we if we believe
thirty percent and this is
these are just numbers but we
see thirty percent of uh of what
it is that god at the hundred
percent that god actually gave
us so we're only seeing thirty
percent of the inheritance that
god has given us actually
manifest in our life or or for
believe our our identity is in
our soul then we're receiving
sixty percent of the hundred but
if we're in the spirit then we
we we're choosing to agree with
the lord that he has given us
a hundred percent and we're
choosing to receive a hundred
percent and we choose to receive
a hundred percent and we're
actually vulnerably presenting
ourselves and doing everything
that I just described where we
have to release everything in
order to be able to receive the
hundred and that's what that's
referring to and of course the
hundreds the thirty sixteen
hundred it comes from the
parable of um of uh the farmer
sowing the seed and how the
seed that went on the good
ground even though it was one
one aspect of a ground because
all the others were like rocky
ground and shallow ground
whatever on the good ground it
reached different amounts it
said it reached thirty sixty and
a hundred so that's where those
numbers come in um I first heard
uh that that all of that
connection from a man that that
michelle was mentioning just
earlier um uh chris so chris
buckley so he's the one who who
um I first heard that um all
that from so that's what the
hundred is referring to okay and
then somebody said something
about carpet experience uh same
thing it that's a that's a um
that's a chris black could be
um uh story a personal story of
his that he tells and it is in
his sermons about trying to
engage lord and he was stepping
in and off of a carpet and
choosing that god's that what
god says is true and then
stepping out stepping out of it
and then choosing that what god
said was true and stepping out
of it in order to engage with
intention that whatever god said
really was true as opposed to
just okay well i'm believing it
he said he needed something for
his body to do to choose to to
trigger i am choosing i'm not
choosing i'm choosing i'm not
choosing and so that's how he
did it okay so that's what the
carpet was okay all right thanks
you're welcome you were awesome
again as usual thank you so much
i'm glad you enjoyed it hope it
was helpful yeah as if this will
be
yes
okay so does anyone have anything
before we go
i have everyone good you're welcome
so someone was just messaging me in
the chat
okay i guess that's it well i'm glad
that y'all um joined me
for um excuse me for the business
conference it's been very fast
oh my word i am leaving out i'm
flying out of the country day after
tomorrow
it's all very very fast so anyway
excuse me we are by the way going to
have our our
weekly call for those in the rest
intensive we are going to have that
tomorrow night
it's my last night in the state we are
going to have that then so just fyi
that that is still on the agenda but
i'm so glad that y'all could all
join me and i hope that it was very
helpful
um if you have any testimonies of
course from things that the lord has
shown you
or um ways that you implement any of
these things and then
see the effect of it in your lives i
always it always builds my faith
and it's always very exciting so always
feel free to um either private message
me i
much prefer public posts because it
helps other people know that these
things don't just happen to ashley
so but i would love to hear about it
regardless of how you how you send it
so anyway i love all of y'all and i hope
y'all have a good night
bye good night
bye
you